Locke was the man in the hatch at the beginning

[blizzardjd]

Great Episode!!

The first thought that came to my mind in the beginning was is this Locke. I know it seems a little crazy but Locke, before he was an older bald man in a wheelchair, could have been a relatively athletic person. It has already been mentioned that he could have been in the military. Locke could have been preparing 25 or so years ago for being on the island. He seems to think that everything has a purpose. Maybe he was approached earlier in life with the serum and an explanation that he is part of something greater. This is why when he saw the hatch and the numbers on the hatch he was so adamant about getting into it. Maybe I am just talking crazy but my gut said it was Locke and I just wanted to throw this possible theory out there.

[Lost In His Eyes]

I thought the same thing! I actually thought it was a Locke FB at first. Then things clicked into place and I got it.

I hope this hasn't been discussed before. If it has, this will be locked...

[thwangy]

At The Same Time The Hatch Was Blown Open The Man Inside Heard It. So How Could Locke Be Lighting Dynamite Outside The Hatch And Also Be Inside Of It!!

Just A Thought

[zabzababz]

Yeah you can see the guy looking at locke and jack so it can't be locke.. it has to be D..

[Lost In His Eyes]

I know it wasn't Locke in there, I just thought it was a Locke FB at first. Then we saw the explosion from the inside and I was like 'Holy sh*t! He's in the hatch!' :lol

[athywithak]

This is a theory.

[soundthetoll]

I thought it might be Locke at first, as well. When I first saw Sarah's finace I suspected that he may be "Hatch Boy" as well. Now it seems pretty much given that "Hatch Boy" and Desmond are one in the same..... but it was never confirmed. ;)

[cinderellabop]

If this was a time-loop thing, I suppose this might be possible. But Locke has no trace of an accent. It seems unlikely to me.

However, I will send you off to Theories, where I'm sure they'll ahve some other ideas.

[the other princess]

Ok, are you people not understanding what the point of this thread is? Obviously not. All the person is saying is that when the episode first started, they thought the guy was Locke. They are not saying that they think the guy down in the hatch is him. They obviously don't think it is him anymore. I mean, I had no clue what was going on at first. I thought it was Locke or Sawyer or something in a FB. Then, when the explosion happened, I figured it out.

[thwangy]

Thanks Other Princess, I fully understand now!! You should all be sure to Hear Walt Talk Backwards (http://www.foxmod.com/lost/lost.html) Also!! It's Crazy!

[sawyerhasbestlines]

I still can't decipher the content of this thread?

Is the poster saying he thinks Locke and Desmond are the same person?

[the other princess]

No! The thing is, actually, that this is probably the wrong place for this topic. This person is not presenting her thoughts or a theory. It was just them commenting on what they saw on the show, saying that they just thought the guy in the beginning (not knowing that he was, in fact, in the hatch) was Locke in a flashback. Then when the explosion went off, they realized that this scene was taking place inside the hatch and that it most certainly couldn't be Locke. am I making any sense?

[blizzardjd]

I apologize for the vagueness of my first post. What I am trying to say is that Locke was the person being seen at the beginning of the episode. My thought on this was we are seeing Locke when he was younger. I do not think that Locke is Desmond. TPTB may have chosen to begin with a flashback of Locke and then segue way to Desmond manipulating the mirrors, ect. We already know that Locke is a very secluded and lonely person; he talks to hookers on the telephone for company. The song being played talks about loneliness, easily something Locke may listen to. As people have pointed out already, there is light shining in the room at the beginning and this goes to think that the room at the beginning isn't fifty feet below ground. Again, these are just my thoughts, feel free to dissect them. I am sure that there are flaws in my reasoning but as I said earlier, my gut said Locke.

[the other princess]

Well, nevermind then. I guess I misunderstood. I figured you were smarter that you actually are.



Ok that came out wrong. I didn't mean that you weren't smart. I was pretty much saying that I just didn't agree with your theory.

[blizzardjd]

Other Princess,
Thanks for the kind remarks.



I think the part that may be Locke is a flashback. This flashback is not of the hatch but of some apartment/room that could be similar looking. Who would ever think the writers would try and steer our thoughts one way and then in a later episode expand on assumptions and show us the true meaning?

[iluvlocke]

absolutely not. terry o'quinn has those super sexy blue eyes and the man at the beginning of the episode clearly has darker eyes - hazel, i would say.

[lostmio]

Maybe I am just talking crazy but my gut said it was Locke and I just wanted to throw this possible theory out there.

I didn't see this thread before posting in The Book Theory thread on the same idea. Yesterday I would have thought you're talking crazy too but there's reason - beyond what you mention - to at least speculate it's Locke.

Warning: The Book Theory thread contains information some consider spoiler. I didn't post that part but responded to it. What follows below is NOT spoiler, just logic I used to support the theory that Locke is Faceless.

After reading portions of a book about the idea that one could use a series of mirrors to look into the past or future and perhaps see oneself, it occurs to me that perhaps we're seeing two different Faceless men.

Faceless 1 could be Locke 20-30 years ago. The apt. and furnishings are new. He could even have looked thru the series of mirrors and seen himself at the latch opening in the future. Didn't recognize his future self, of course, just saw two men.
If true, that could explain why Locke says the island is his destiny, seems to know things about it, is so desperate to open the hatch, and says it holds hope. It also would explain why he was not afraid of the monster or death - he remembers the past, now knows he saw himself, so knew he'd live to at least open the hatch.
Even w/o the "looking into the future part", Faceless 1 could still be Locke. Just leave off the "knows he'd live to see the hatch" part. It still would explain his obsession with finding the hatch/bunker.

Faceless 2 is of course Desmond, in the present. The bunker and computer have visibly aged during the 20-30 years since Faceless 1 was there.

Just a theory, there are the usual gaps. I won't try to defend it, just putting it out there. The mods may lock this since it's duplicate info.

[Sicilian Curse]

Locke did say not to touch that key

[Sybia]

I actually think this theory may have some merit.

[MonsterEatsPilot]

After reading portions of a book about the idea that one could use a series of mirrors to look into the past or future and perhaps see oneself, it occurs to me that perhaps we're seeing two different Faceless men. Faceless 1 could be Locke 20-30 years ago. The apt. and furnishings are new. He could even have looked thru the series of mirrors and seen himself at the latch opening in the future. Didn't recognize his future self, of course, just saw two men.


This is based on the Spoiler Theory in discussion in The Book theory...

Biscuitmom -- I am not sure about looking into the future using mirrors -- just into the past using mirrors.

Seeing is based on your eyes processing light. Light takes time (albiet a SMALL amount of time) to reach its target. By using two mirrors facing one another you can essentially create an infinite number of reflections and, assuming you could see far enough (deep enough) into these reflections, according to De Selbian theories, you would be able to look back in time.

I am not sure how Facless Young Locke could look through mirrors to see into the future however -- but as this concept is somewhat foreign to me and out of realm of experience I could be wrong...

But you know my thoughts on Locke's experiences and faith as discussed in the Book Theory.

I think we agree -- just how we get there is different.

Cheers,

MEP / Purrkins

[Lockesbastardson]

This would be a very intriguing theory if the begining was a flashback.... it wasn't. The man has a modern 1990s or later washer and dryer. Plus the computer (or at least the execute button) is aged and worn in the begining.

[Sicilian Curse]

What if somehow time is all screwed up on the island from some expirement gone wrong. Maybe there are pockets of time. Almost like a door. If you think about that then you might be able to explain things. The first scene while mystery man was doing his routine could have been years ago and the computer was executed to jump to a certain point in time to exactly when the explosion happened. Positioning the mirrors allowed him to get to that point in time. The light shining was a portal from his time crossing to the new time. That might explain why things seem dirtier then in the initial shot. It could also explain how locke knows what will happen - maybe he peered into one of these doors.

[the other princess]

So wait, I am confused. Are you guys trying to say that Locke was in there a long time ago, and that is how he knows things?