Mikhail or someone else? (ST)

[volney]

Hearing that Mikhail would appear in an upcoming episode alive in the present really makes me wonder.

I have had the somewhat unique and very unpleasant experience of seeing someone die of a massive cerebral hemmorhage. I have to say, the way Mikhail's death was shown on Lost was close enough to what I saw in real life to make me very uncomfortable for awhile. And a person doesn't just "come back" from something like that.

So I am remembering the twins we all thought we saw when Walt was kidnapped, and I am thinking maybe this will be not Mikhail, but his twin. The twin will be used as a further part of the con, to make the Losties believe that the Others are able to come back from the dead.

-- volney

[sterioss]

I don't recall the twins having patches over their eye's. Also if I recall correctly I don't think that TPTB mentioned the twins as being important. I think that Josh Holloway is the one that pointed out that two of the guys on the others boat were twins, and it was kinda freaky to him.

[volney]

Well, anybody can put on an eyepatch, doesn't mean they can't see out of both.

I don't think they'd have twins on the boat if there wasn't a reason, and I don't think there would be a book ms. called "Bad Twin" in the show without a reason. Unless the reason is just to give someone like me evidence for why Mikhail can't really be back from the dead.

:coffeedunk:

-- volney

PS I am wondering if there aren't many sets of twins among the Others, not just one set.

[LPU]

I don't know how much you can read into Bad Twin. None as far as the board goes because TLE is kind of a no-no. Even outside of that though, the writers have distanced themselves from that book.

[sexy baby mama]

If Mikhail is back alive, I think the idea will be that he FAKED his death, not that he was healed, or 'came back' from the fench experience.

[King of Snake]

If it is Mikhails twin, then surely he would be cast with a different firts name. It wouldn't be "Mikhail Bauk-whatever-the-hell-his-surname-is". It would be "Sergei" or "Dmitri" or some other common Russian name.

[Ahrean]

If Mikhail is back alive, I think the idea will be that he FAKED his death, not that he was healed, or 'came back' from the fench experience.

I agree, but to go along with that, it would be interesting to know how he faked it, seeing as Smokey wanted nothing to do with that fence and yet if it had no affect on Mikhail....why?

[Warp_Burton]

The smoke monster has possibly posed and interacted with many of our main characters throughout the three Seasons. It HAS been Yemmi, who knows who/what else it manifests itself as. And for some reason Ben was actually afraid of Mikail when he took Juliet to the flame to show her the live feed of her sister and Julien. Alot of open ended stuff here. And yes, they might be twins as well. So far I think it's all possible, but I think by episode 3.20 we'll have a much better idea.

[Ahrean]

And for some reason Ben was actually afraid of Mikail when he took Juliet to the flame to show her the live feed of her sister and Julien. Alot of open ended stuff here. And yes, they might be twins as well. So far I think it's all possible, but I think by episode 3.20 we'll have a much better idea.


I think Mikhail is of the original group myself, my theory is that he survived the purge and was allowed to stay by Ben as long as he kept to his little farm like area.

[sterioss]

I agree, but to go along with that, it would be interesting to know how he faked it, seeing as Smokey wanted nothing to do with that fence and yet if it had no affect on Mikhail....why?

Also, keep in mind that when Kate and Juliet ran to the fence Juliet announced to Kate that the fence was turned off. Juliet proceeded to then turn on the fence. My thought is that the Fence most likely would do something to a human who passed through its boundaries or else there would be no need for Juliet to have the fence deactivated in the first place. If nothing negative happened to someone passing through the fence then it would have no need to every be turned off.

[volney]

I don't know how much you can read into Bad Twin. None as far as the board goes because TLE is kind of a no-no. Even outside of that though, the writers have distanced themselves from that book.

I agree the book itself has no relevance (at least, none that I can see). But the existence of the book and especially the title of the book were injected into the show I assume for more of a reason than just to give Hurley something to read. Particularly when there were twins on the boat later on.

We have noted TPTB's hommages to various films, including recent ones like "Little Miss Sunshine" (the hippie van). I don't want to name the film for the sake of anyone here who hasn't seen it yet, but you will maybe recall one from last fall/winter in which a set of twins duped people into believing they were seeing something that hadn't happened.


-- volney

[volney]

If Mikhail is back alive, I think the idea will be that he FAKED his death, not that he was healed, or 'came back' from the fench experience.

It's possible, but I'm not sure how one would fake bursting blood vessels, convulsions, and frothing at the mouth (absent, of course, the ability to yell "cut", bring in special effects and makeup people, apply the effects, yell "action" and resume).

-- volney

[volney]

If it is Mikhails twin, then surely he would be cast with a different first name. It wouldn't be "Mikhail Bauk-whatever-the-hell-his-surname-is". It would be "Sergei" or "Dmitri" or some other common Russian name.

Certainly the twin would have a different first name, but if they were conning the Losties, he would introduce himself as Mikhail, and the Losties wouldn't know any better.

-- volney

[LPU]

I agree the book itself has no relevance (at least, none that I can see). But the existence of the book and especially the title of the book were injected into the show I assume for more of a reason than just to give Hurley something to read. Particularly when there were twins on the boat later on.

We have noted TPTB's hommages to various films, including recent ones like "Little Miss Sunshine" (the hippie van). I don't want to name the film for the sake of anyone here who hasn't seen it yet, but you will maybe recall one from last fall/winter in which a set of twins duped people into believing they were seeing something that hadn't happened.


-- volney

You mean this one? (http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=33916)

[volney]

You mean this one? (http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=33916)

The very same, although I am treading the low road of the other character who had an actual twin in the wings.

i'm just saying if the Others are a bunch of con artists, if some or all of them are twins, this certainly makes conning easier.

-- volney

[Jackface]

Maybe Mikhail's ears bled because his eardrums popped from the loudness of the sound?

Eh.

[Brian]

After Claire's little "implant", it wouldn't surprise me at all to see Mikhail up and walking around. Although TPTB have always said that once someone dies on LOST, they stay dead, we never actually had a formal announcement by Kate, Locke, Sayid, or Rousseau that Mikhail was, in fact, dead. I think the closest we saw was an offhand comment by Locke, "Pardon me for not knowing that they had uh...uh...uh...uh...sonic weapon fence. I didn't know he was gonna die. How would I know that?"

If I had to choose, and really it's picking the lesser of two evils (for me), I'd hope it was Mikhail and not a twin or clone.

[The artist formerly known]

I have some neuro knowledge and I agree with Volney. It is 100% a joke if he survived that incident. If you have blood shooting from your ears you are not walking around a few days later. Best case scenario you are a complete vegetable. However, 42 people survived a plane crash and Locke survived falling 5 million stories.

[sexy baby mama]

Well, you can't fake an ACTUAL hemorrage. Someone on Dark's site said something about exploding blood capsules that he put in his ears - I was thinking more of like an implant like Claire's, that would be activated by the sonic fence (that maybe was not at full power) to look like a hemorrage. Then, the Others went to him and gave him the anedote - of course they know who is coming in through their perimeter. They waited long enough so that they could ambush Kate/Sayid when they were close - and of course, Ben WANTED Locke to find him, so that Locke would in turn blow up the sub.

At least, that's one way it could work.

[volney]

Hm, the title sprouted a "(ST)"... is that "spoiler theory" or "stupid trick" or, uh, "Sayid's toenail-clippings"???

:confused:

-- volney

[sexy baby mama]

It's a new thing we're doing down here - labeling everything. And by we, I don't mean me at all. I mean the mods.

[zetaprime]

Well..the actor playing Mikhail didn't actually die during the filming..so the death clearly was faked via the usual Hollywood techniques..and could, within the story, have been faked the same way by the Others.

[Tubby]

Well..the actor playing Mikhail didn't actually die during the filming..so the death clearly was faked via the usual Hollywood techniques..and could, within the story, have been faked the same way by the Others.

But as someone already mentioned the Hollyood techniques allows the director to stop the camera and the actor gets special effects make up.

Within the story, did Mikhail just happen to put fake blood capsules in his ears and foam pills in his mouth just in case he happened to be taken hostage and pushed into the sonic fence?

I really hope he isnt alive simply because however they explain it, it will be stretching credulity.

I hope its some kind of flashback Mikhail appears in like "One of Us".

[Brian]

Hm, the title sprouted a "(ST)"... is that "spoiler theory" or "stupid trick" or, uh, "Sayid's toenail-clippings"???

:confused:

-- volney

It stands for "Spoiler Theory" and I added that yesterday. As sbm said, it's just a way of labelling the threads to differentiate them. It's not a bad thing. Sorry for not mentioning the title change in my post last night.

[volney]

It stands for "Spoiler Theory" and I added that yesterday. As sbm said, it's just a way of labelling the threads to differentiate them. It's not a bad thing. Sorry for not mentioning the title change in my post last night.

No need to apologize -- actually I was just joking around because I have never had a thread title sprout a growth before, not that I start a whole lot of threads. Thanks for clarifying, that's what I figured it probably meant.

:coffeedunk:

-- volney

[strontium90]

Pretty sure its Mikhail himself, alive and well. Here is quote from D.O.C. from buddytv (http://www.buddytv.com/articles/lost/lost-may-preview-spoilers-5910.aspx)

"Meanwhile, a distress flare will bring an unlikely visitor to Jin, Hurley, Charlie, and Desmond when Mr. Eyepatch himself, Mikhail, arrives. Will the mysterious Patchy be friend or foe? Will the mysterious parachutist survive? How did Mikhail survive his experience with 'the fence'?"

[Frediemac]

CLONES!.. Hanso is big on Clones. Could it be?

[jericho29]

He was healed. Without giving more details from tonights show away, see the synopsis from Insiderscoop for more details.

[mzsandeestar]

In some interview with TPTB wasn't there some mention of some elements of this show being like Heroes?
Maybe Mikhail and whatever group he was originally with are all special and he has powers like Claire in Heroes.

[mzsandeestar]

Another speculative thought....Mikhail said "thank you" then he died and he was reborn.

Someone mentioned characters being reborn last week.
Locke wasn't healed. He died and was reborn.


I have been hung up on a line one of the Others said when Sun killed Colleen.
"We are not used to death"
Why are they not used to death?
Can they only die from bullets?

[chaos28]

Maybe he just had a seizure and fell over and they just assumed he was dead, not wanting to go close enough to the fence to check. Either way, they did NOT explain why he's alive in this episode. The closest they get is when Desmond is holding the flare gun to him, and he says, "Did you forget I already died once this week?" Also, I don't think Mikhail said "Thank you," when Locke flung him front of the fence. O_o But did his eyepatch change eyes? And if so, wha? Can anyone confirm/deny this?

[Brian]

I've looked for that very thing chaos. The eye-patch changing eyes. It was speculated about elsewhere but I think any photos showing the patch on different eyes were just mirrored pics. I couldn't find any pics showing it.

[DCayn]

Hearing the newly arrived (Italian?) woman state all the passengers from 815 were found dead, it sheds new light on the previous clones/twins theory. It will be interesting to see how this unfolds. Let's just hope they don't drag it on until the end of next season.

[Frediemac]

Hearing the newly arrived (Italian?) woman state all the passengers from 815 were found dead, it sheds new light on the previous clones/twins theory. It will be interesting to see how this unfolds. Let's just hope they don't drag it on until the end of next season.

Clones...Jack is a Clone. Notice even Sun said he was acting differently :) (My thought is that the real jack is still back with the others somewhere, or hidden by the Others somewhere) So if Jack dies in the Season Finale just remember it's the Clone that is going to die not the real jack that we have all come to know.

I bookmarked this site months ago. Look at how much it talks about Cloning. The Hanso Foundation
http://www.hansolegal.com/
Cloning in biology
Molecular

The Hanso Legal Foundation has first hand experience with the effects of cloning and genetic engineering. Cloning a gene means to extract a gene from one organism (for example by PCR) and insert it into a second organism (usually via a vector), where it can be used and studied. Cloning a gene sometimes can refer to success in identifying a gene associated with some phenotype. For example, when biologists say that the gene for disease X has been cloned, they mean that the gene's location and DNA sequence has been identified, although the ability to specifically copy the physical DNA is a side-effect of its identification. A related technique called subcloning refers to transfering a gene from one plasmid into another for further study.

[sean424]

I don't believe she said they were ALL dead, I think she said "they were dead"... meaning the burnt bodies that probably washed out to sea inside the fuselage.

[zetaprime]

I don't believe she said they were ALL dead, I think she said "they were dead"... meaning the burnt bodies that probably washed out to sea inside the fuselage.


Just played it back..She said "There were no survivors....they were all dead".

[Jessicaswanlake]

He is not a clone- he was just healed by the island. The writers made a point to bring up the fact that the island heals people. Remember, he had blood running out of his one ear after getting microwaved (like the drum burst), and last night he made the gesture to Charlie as if he did not understand what he had said, probably because he went deaf in the ear that Charlie was on the side of after getting zapped. A clone would not be deaf in one ear since the damage was not a genetic flaw.

[Darkrogue]

I don't think Mikhail is a clone either. The gesture=deaf possibility is an interesting observation, though. I took the gesture however as more of a taunt towards Charlie, for some reason. I got the impression he heard what Charlie said just fine, and that he might have been playing on what Charlie and Hurley apparently "know" about what supposedly happened with the fence.

It will be interesting to see if we find out exactly what happened with Mikhail and the fence soon, but somehow I doubt it. :)

[shadyhippie]

So what I realized last night, when Juliet took Sun to the staff hatch, is that Juliets 'syrum' that she made, and that they were injecting into Claire, was in a DHARMA bottle.