Jack a water drinking demon

[Clementine Kruczynski]

Anyone else notice how Jack is always sucking back water? When they are hiking back to the beach with the water, they stop to give Sayid a bottle and what does Jack do? He DRINKS MORE WATER! When he take the group back to the caves first thing Jack does is go and get a drink. Maybe that's the real reason he wanted to move to the caves.
HE'S A WATER-AHOLIC!!! What do you guys think?

[PlaneJane22]

Maybe he's afraid the hot island weather will cause him to break out and wants to stay hydrated. If things get real bad, he'll torture Sawyer for moisturizer.

[AilaAolani]

maybe he's a doctor, so he knows how important it is to remain hydrated and how quickly one would get dehydrated in that climate!

[Clementine Kruczynski]

Jack can always kill off Shannon and steal her make-up bag Then he'll really be a pretty boy.

[roxya1]

Jack can always kill off Shannon and steal her make-up bag Then he'll really be a pretty boy.

:b I love that theory.

[Wynter Zera]

maybe he's diabetic...:eek

[Clementine Kruczynski]

If Jack is diabetic, he better hope that Sawyer doesn't have his meds. (Please no more torture.) Of course, the doctor would be better off if he puts himself under Sun's care.

[talrfn]

i bet he had to pee alot, from drinking all that water
~Alia~:hat

[Wynter Zera]

bumping. Love this thread. :b

[Clementine Kruczynski]

Thanks Wynter Zera! Maybe it's a substitute for alcohol since its not readily available on the island (Maybe they'll build a tiki bar after they build a still)

[Wynter Zera]

Acctually they could be making tequila and rum if they knew about local plant life....

[Clementine Kruczynski]

look out Sun they've got a new job for you!!

[aloop]

maybe being a doc he knows drink all you can when you can. no sense taking chances with ones health.

[SexyLatina]

With all the scampering he does, he needs to stay hydrated!

[Dark Stool]

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you see jack drinking clear liquid a lot, because he is an alchoholic. it is vodka.

i am not saying this to be a jerk. i really believe it.

there are lots of clues to jack's battle with alchohol from the first episode on.

later when kate and sawyer have the drinking contest in the woods, sawyer mentions that jack was getting alchohol from the plane too.

for medical purposes? maybe. but in the "do no harm" episode he uses peroxide on boone.

also in that episode there are a couple more clues.
1. when his bestman mentions drinking beers before giving the speech, jack replies, "she'll nail you."
silverman replies, "i'll brush my teeth."
jack repeats, "she'll nail you.
it seems that jack knows this from experience.
the she is sarah, jack's fiance. and she does nail silverman with the line, "i think this mic has had too much to drink."


2. the drink he was drinking while playing the piano was clear, as was the drink he was drinking from the bottle later that night at the pool. probably vodka for it's lack of smell.

3. (this one is obviously a stretch, but i have been watching all of the episodes for clues about jack's drinking)
after dealing with the death of boone, he is seen on the beach slumped over his backpack, crying and seeming a little wobbly. he looks like he is a little drunk. kate comes over and you see him put the lid on his "water" bottle and stick it in his bag. the interesting thing is that there is only a couple of drinks left in the bottle. why is the good doctor taking an almost empty bottle onto his trek into the woods to confront locke? or was it that he needed something to dull the pain of his failure to save boone, before moving onto confront the new bully?

rewatch the episodes, and watch for clues. there are a lot of them.
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[LostInWilderness]

Hi Dark Stool. Jack's drinking problems are sporadically mentioned in a number threads in general discussion and theories, but I'm not aware of any thread dedicated to discussing it. Maybe you should start one.

You may also want to look here (http://p073.ezboard.com/flosttheunofficalforumfortheabcseriesfrm2.showMess age?topicID=2506.topic).

[azteclady]

Dark Stool, allow me to welcome you to the community!

As LostInWilderness says, there's not one thread devoted to Jack's potential alcoholism, though this idea has been toyed with by plenty theorist since White Rabbit first aired. In fact, there are a couple of old threads in this same forum in which this topic is heatedly debated as part of the general theme of Jack's personality - see, for example, the Jack did something to his father (http://p073.ezboard.com/flosttheunofficalforumfortheabcseriesfrm13.showMes sage?topicID=14.topic) or the I don't want Jack as my doctor (http://p073.ezboard.com/flosttheunofficalforumfortheabcseriesfrm13.showMes sage?topicID=23.topic) threads.

Now, regarding the 'water drinking demon' comment, at the time the original message was posted (see time stamp - November 7, 2004), most of the liquid we had seen Jack consume had to be water - because they were already in the island. White Rabbit was the first and only Jack-centric episode that had aired at the time. To me, it's quite doubtful that there would be enough vodka in the wreckage for Jack to fill up bottle upon half-litter plastic bottle of water with is, or even to spike it.

Whether all the water we had seen Jack consume up to that point was indeed a foreshadowing for a drinking problem is another matter indeed, and if it is, good catch indeed!

[LostInWilderness]

I think it's very possible that every time we see Jack take a drink after a stressful situation, it's vodka. In fact, he may have used Boone's injury to get Sawyer's liquor because he's running out. That may have been the point to showing Kate fall and break the liquor bottles.

That doesn't mean he only drinks liquor. I bet he's hording it for stressful situations. Also, there has been a ton of discussion about Jack's leap of logic that Locke murdered Boone. I've taken the stance that it was just his obsessive inability to let go driving him to place blame. This would make more sense if Jack had been drinking after Boone's death. Any explanation would make more sense if Jack had been drinking.

[azteclady]

You know, I hadn't actually stopped to consider all the possible ramifications of Jack being an alcoholic - particularly not the stumbling-slurring-his-words kind of drunk, but rather the highly functional kind. Which would also follow pattern, since we are shown that Dr. Christian Shepherd managed to drink his way through being Chief of Surgery.

However, now that LostInWilderness mentions it, if Jack only over imbibes during periods of great duress, and if his supply of alcohol is limited in the island, some of his more spectacular bumbles would be easier to explain, as they would fit into pattern for someone battling withdrawal from an addiction. In this case, alcoholism.

I'm postulating here - with precious little to base this on - that Jack has drunk little to no alcohol since the crash, and that his irrational fits and starts have been because he's not have had a drink and is feeling... cranky, for lack of a better word. I'm also postulating that after Boone's dead and Claire's baby's birth, Jack has access to what's left of Sawyer's alcohol stash, and so when we see him in the beach at the end of Do No Harm he may very well be on his way to drunkeness. His need to drink would have been exacerbated by his inability to save Boone's life. Then, his driving need to save or fix others, coupled with his inability to let go, would make it logical for him to need someone to blame and punish for what would probably be, in his own eyes, his failure.

[Dark Stool]

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i didn't mean that every drink of clear liquid was vodka. i miss worded.

a scene that really sticks with me is when jack was a boy with a black-eye, talking to his dad.

his dad says (paraphrase), how can i come home and continue with normal life after i fail? then he says "hhow can i do that jack?" (the extra h's are his drunk talking) "because i hhave what it takes. don't try to save everyone jack, because you just don't have what it takes."

what is it that his dad has? alchol. it gives him "what it takes" when he fails.

i believe jack has "what it takes", too.
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[ThatHippieKid]

I just think its cause he's a doctor and he knows that you have to drink a ton of water each day to keep from being dehydrated, especially in a tropical climate.

i bet he had to pee alot, from drinking all that water

:lol

[LostInWilderness]

Watching Jack drink on the plane and then rewatching "Do No Harm" has led me to believe Jack is no longer married because of a drinking problem. Jack shows all the signs of being a young Christian. Jack's at that stage that he can choose not to drink when he's on call or on duty, just like Christian must have been at Jack's age. Jack likes his alcohol, but at this point in his life, he can control for periods of time. But he wouldn't quit for Sarah for long.

When the booze on the island runs out, Jack's in trouble.

[I like to listen]

Desmond gave Jack water to drink in the stadium. In the timeline of LOST this is the first gulp of water we see Jack take.

Anyone think that this is interesting given Jack's love of water?

[LostInWilderness]

I noticed the same thing iltl, but I don't know the significance of it. I really doubt there was any causal relationship between Desmond giving him a drink and Jack being on the island, but it's certainly possible. I'm leaning towards something symbolic, but I don't know what.

[feigenbaum]

On one of the commentaries the director said they were really glad they got the bottles of water in the shot.

I'm not sure which scene this was from but the bottles of water do seem to apear a lot.

I'm not really sure what I'm trying to say.Maybe Desmond is putting something in the water.

[dagriff]

It is interesting that clicking on Jack's original seat in the seating chart on oceanic-air.com causes an airline sized bottle of vodka to flash across the screen.

[LostInWilderness]

I have restrained myself for weeks, but I have to point out that Jack still has alcohol. Alcoholic Jack is still in play.

[azteclady]

Oh, I love this thread!!! :wave2: LiW

You know, it seemed quite jarring to me to see Jack hand Ana Lucía the airline bottle at the end of What Kate did.

After all, at this point in time they've been in the island some 50 days, and they must know there's little to no chance at all of being rescued. If there's any alcohol left (and that's assuming a lot, particularly if we assume that Jack does have indeed a drinking problem), then said alcohol should be by definition part of their very limited medical supplies (and given the number of survivors, it's rather irrelevant how well stocked the hatch is, because the hatch wasn't designed to support more than two people for a limited period of time).

[LostInWilderness]

I was thinking that the alcohol had run out after Boone's death, and I was worried Jack's alcoholic tendancies had been lost, but hope springs eternal. If you haven't seen it yet, check out my post near the end of Jack and the Law of the Father (http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7603&highlight=jack+the+law+of+the+father).

[Sara-SNWG]

whoa! interesting thread! reading some posts I must say that I agree with the Jack-drinks connection. Ever since we saw his fiance's name is Sarah, my brother and I said: oh great, I bet she's gonna die somehow or something bad will happen to her anyway, lol...
(In decades of cinephilia, we've only found ONE character named Sara/Sarah who is not going to die at some point or is not a villain or nothing sad/bad happens to her)
So... the alcoholic husband => divorce is perfect. Everything makes sense now!

Seriously, there do are a lot of clues about Jack's drinking problem on the Island. Thing is, sooner or later he'll run out of booze, so...
We'll see... ;)

[KateShepard]

yeah next thing you'll know we'll have a mug shot of him..,,

[shannonsghost]

Jack drinks alot, pees alot and cries alot.

[LostInWilderness]

Ok. That's funny as hell.

[KateShepard]

ha maybe he will develop gills and become some kind of man fishy thing :)

[Sara-SNWG]

After all, Waterworld was filmed in Hawaii...

[azteclady]

So he drinks so much water to replenish his body because of how much he cries and pees, or the other way around?

*holding hands like a scale* cart - horse... cart - horse hmmmm...

[Sara-SNWG]

Splitting hairs, AZ lol...

[Heinzy]

hehe it's lost, anything's possible i guess

[Sara-SNWG]

hehe it's lost, anything's possible i guess

Like Niels Bohr once said, "Nothing is impossible, provided it is sufficiently insane." ;)

[azteclady]

Sara, given the length of the current LOST hiatus, splitting hairs and beating down idjit obliviots(c)ILF seem to be the only open avenues of conversation outside of the shameless postwhoring vortex that is Lostaways...

and I :worshippy you for the Böhr quote.

<--- a geek and proud of it.

[Sara-SNWG]

AZ, I totally understand the situation. I am walking right close to that vortex edge. One step on the left and... *phoooop* I'm totally in too.
The thing with that Bohr quote is that the guy was talking about physics, but you can pretty much apply it to everything!

Ok, gotta go find some official hiatus thread. I still haven't posted on one of them. Call it "denial of the truth", haha...


PS: it might not look that way now, but I am still interested in finding out if Jack has been drinking Vodka/Tequila/Grappa/any-other-water-lookalike-drink for so long. Sooner or later alcohol will be over and he'll have problems like Charlie without heroin...
Unless they start producing some bamboo-alcohol?! Ah, that could be an idea... They have a lot of plants there, one might be perfect for that :D

[ItzyDaw]

Aren't we supposed to find out something about this next week? Like why he and Kate being together wouldn't work? I think it probably has a lot to do with his marriage and alcoholism.

[LostInWilderness]

Another Lost storyline.

[Jackaroo]

Jack = alcoholic?

On one hand; we did see him drink on a few occasions. And I have heards that children of alcoholics are more likely to become alcoholics themselves than children with 'sober' parents.
I dunno if it's normal to have an entire bottle of alcoholic stuff with you.........
I linked that to his doubts about getting married - and what has said before about drinking when stressed fits in, than.
And we still wait for the dark secret he carries with him - everyone has one, buth him? yeah, right. Could be something linkedto the tattoos (as I vastly beleive), or could be something linked to alcohol.

btw. I think it's nonsense he'd ue Boone's situation to get more alcohol from Sawyer for himself. I don't believe he's that wickedas tobe selfish at that momnt.

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On the other hand: like, the drink on the plane. Ehm... his father DIED? I think you're allowed to need a stiff drink at that - especially when you think it's your fault.
I think the marriage might have ended beause of Jack's dedication to / obsessing over his patients, neglecting Sarah.
And: he reported his father... and has high ethics. He resents his fathers drinking. And is quite his opposite in atitude. So, I'd not think he'd be an alcoholic.

he he thak you very much for introducing me to yet another theory about Jack... not! lol:drinky:

PS in response to the original question of this thread; I guess Jack's one of those "It's so important to hydrate yourself properly" pple :) (who are, ultimately, right, of course)

[LostInWilderness]

btw. I think it's nonsense he'd ue Boone's situation to get more alcohol from Sawyer for himself. I don't believe he's that wickedas tobe selfish at that momnt.
I think it's pretty much a moot point since the storyline has been totally ignored all season, but getting all Sawyer's alcohol made sense to treat Boone, but it also had the effect of getting Jack control of all the alcohol. We saw his one drink with Ana Lucia this season.

I'm afraid it's too late to make this a significant story-line at this point. But maybe not.