Why didn't he suspect Kate?

[EGlVM]

Seriously.
Kate was the one watching him for the most part while he slept. And he usually doesn't believe her and she's the one who drugged him. HELLOOOOO! Why didn't he suspect Kate of taking the key from his neck?

[ThatHippieKid]

Why would she take it though? She doesn't need a gun for anything. Besides, she looked genuinely surprised, and then sorta panicky, when they figured out it was gone. I didn't suspect for a moment it was her, and I think Jack was thinking along the same lines..

[EGlVM]

OOOOOHHHHH you're right why would she need a gun?
I guess I'm just used to her lying.
I need to pay attention more. Alright, someone can close this now.:D

[trishaislost]

Kate lies, but she is trustworthy on a lot of things. Jack doesn't know if he can trust her, but she is always the person he puts his trust into.

[LostInWilderness]

trishaislost writes:Jack doesn't know if he can trust her, but she is always the person he puts his trust into.
This is very insightful comment. It goes to many of the odd things Jack does. A reasonable person would immediately suspect Kate. She coveted that case, lied to Jack about it, and tried to hide the key from him when she took it off the marshal's body. Then she drugs Jack and - what a surprise - the key gets taken!

Who found the case? It was a woman, but we couldn't tell it was Shannon. Did Shannon know where the case was? No doubt Kate did. And why didn't Kate keep and eye on the guy she just drugged, especially knowing he had the key? I doubt we'll ever know who took the key, but I'm going with Kate.

And what about Jack immediately suspecting Locke? His obsessiveness, poor judgement, and irrationality grows every day. I'll give him a break for being low on blood, sleep, and drugged I guess. And probably hung over. ;)

[sushisu]

I'm wondering if it was Kate as well. By looking at the previews it looks like Kate wants to go on the boat.

Maybe she also managed to pocket away a gun. I kinda see her holding people at gunpoint if she doesn't get a place on that boat. I'd like that to happen! But then I think Jack would go put the gun Shannon took, back in the case so he might find out unless Kate volunteers to take the gun....hmmm.

[Mattie]

Kate could have took the key, but Shannon definitely was the one who took the gun from the case.

[LostInWilderness]

Thanks to an excellent screencap from KF2, I must admit Shannon opened the case. I stand by my opinion on the role Kate played getting the key, and pointing Shannon toward Locke. Kate had a responsibility to protect Jack once she drugged him. To say she just walked away and left him alone is not sensible in my mind, without the episode showing her drawn away. I firmly believe she gave the key to Shannon.

[azteclady]

Unless Jack lost the key earlier, while tackling Lock during Boone's funeral. Anyone has a screencap of this? or of the subsequent walk where Jack tells Kate and Sayid (I believe) about what Boone said to him - the hatch, etc.

[ThatHippieKid]

Well, here's a screenie of him just after he pounces on Locke at the funeral... he still has it there:

http://lost-media.com/modules/coppermine/albums/ep-caps/season1/1x21-good/normal_greatergood177.jpg

And this is when Kate's getting him to lie down after she drugged him:

http://lost-media.com/modules/coppermine/albums/ep-caps/season1/1x21-good/normal_greatergood284.jpg

He still has it. So whoever took defintiely did do it while he was sleeping.

[Mattie]

Do we think Shannon gives it back to him now? Or does she keep it or hide it or throw it away or what? Does he still wear it around his neck now that it's been taken that way? Or does he hide it somewhere?

[EGlVM]

sushisu, I love your Viggo border!

[awesome3sum]

He didn't suspect her cuz he liked her too much to think tht anything was wrong with her... duh!

[LostInWilderness]

So he's thinking with the wrong part of his anatomy. Not a bad answer.

Now where is Az? I haven't been able to chase her through the character forums for a month, and I'm getting out of shape.

[Hodgepodge]

Kathy Fan 2 says:Kate could have took the key, but Shannon definitely was the one who took the gun from the case.

LostInWilderness says:...I stand by my opinion on the role Kate played getting the key, and pointing Shannon toward Locke...I definitely agree with the possibility that Kate took the key and gave it to Shannon. But for the life of me, I can't come up with a reason why. What would be her purpose? Someone mentioned the raft, but neither Locke or Shannon had a place on the raft. And because I don't see a reason behind it, I can't see her doing it.

Shannon knew about the guns from loud-mouth Hurley. Found out he kept the key around his neck. Snuck in where he was sleeping/drugged, and stole the key.

[EGlVM]

^ Huh, Kate getting the key and giving it to Shannon. There's a thought.
Well, it was her idea to poisen Jin. Why couldn't it be her idea to get the key and give it to Shannon, then tell her where the case was. That's what weirded me out. How did Shannon know where the case was hidden?

[LostInWilderness]

Kate may well have done it just to curry favor with Shannon. Or she may want Locke dead.

[Hodgepodge]

LostInWilderness says:...Or she may want Locke dead.LIW, why would she want Locke dead?

[LostInWilderness]

I can't figure her motives. But she is manipulative and capable on the island. Maybe she sees Locke as competition, or even just dangerous. There's definitely something going on between Kate and Locke that shows up in their lack of interaction.

[Mattie]

There's definitely something going on between Kate and Locke that shows up in their lack of interaction.

Does there have to be? There are lots of characters that never interact.

I don't think Shannon has ever said 1 word to Michael. I've never seen Kate talking to Walt. I don't remember Locke talking to Sun. I don't remember Sun ever saying something to Hurley.

[LostInWilderness]

But of the big 3, Jack, Kate, and Locke, only Lock and Kate have no interaction. I don't think this is a product of limited screentime like the others you mention.

[Mattie]

Well they had a little but not much. In Walkabout they go out in the woods together. Maybe it's not Walkabout but I think it is.

[LostInWilderness]

Right, but that is my point. The seemed ok at the beginning, since they are two of the three main characters, I think their conspicuous lack of interaction as the story develops is telling us something.

Even Kate's and Locke's interaction in Exodus was minimal. Kate is not trying to curry favor with Locke like she is with every other character.

I found it interesting that when they drew straws, Kate and Locke drew the short straws. Is that the real opposition for season two? Jack is the leader, but Kate and Locke are the manipulators working behind the scenes. And Kate does not hesitate to support Jack against Locke, almost like she'd previously come to the same conclusion Jack did.

Jack

Everybody wants me to be a leader until I make a decision that they don't like. You want to keep second guessing me, Kate? That's your call. There's something that you need to know - if we survive this, if we survive tonight - we're going to have a Locke problem. I have to know that you've got my back.

Kate

I've got your back.

[Mattie]

So do you think Kate and Locke are in cahoots with each other? Or do you think Kate for some reason doesn't want to interact with Locke at all and will eventually be set against him?

[LostInWilderness]

I think Kate is in opposition to Locke. I spelled it out here (http://p073.ezboard.com/flosttheunofficalforumfortheabcseriesfrm29.showMes sage?topicID=2308.topic).

[Mattie]

Well it's a strange idea. I'm biased so I can't get into it, I really like Kate, and I can't see her as trying to harm Locke by giving Shannon the key etc. But I believe she's capable of it.

Denial.