Aliens?

[jasonstrom]

Yes, I'll probably be smacked down for this... but,
has anyone started thread on the possibility that there is an alien lifeform on the island that is trying to make the stranded more comfortable? Kinda like the movie Contact, where the alien makes itself look like the girls father.

[jasonstrom]

oops, I guess this was touched on in the "what would ruin it" post. I guess many people would be angry to see the monster be an alien.

[JacksGirlfriend]

Hey Jason - No one smacked me down when I was foolhardy enough to say that the plane crash was perhaps "an alien abduction gone horribly wrong."

I threw it out for comment and everyone was nice enough to ignore it. A month ago everything seemed possible, but we've been around the block a few times now and theories are popping up as "new" that were "original" and shot down 30 days ago.

Times have changed, my man, so be prepared to defend yourself. Not many cotton to alien theories around here, although don't let it stop you. When you believe in something, just keep at it. I haven't given up on any of my theories yet and don't expect to in the near future.

Though aliens have been brought up once or twice, it really hasn't been discussed in depth. Good luck with it. I'll stop back later and check on you.

JacksGirl

[jasonstrom]

Thanks! I'll keep trying. hahaha

[EagleIFilms]

I hope hope hope it's not aliens. Aliens ruined 'The Forgotten,' it'd be a horrible idea for this show.

[bigmouth]

Jason--do not apologize! Anyone who would smack you down for proposing such a plausible theory is a fool. Which isn't to say they aren't entitled to the opinion that aliens would ruin the show. Just that I disagree with them--vehemently.

Remember, the famous comic book with the polar bear contained images of aliens, too. That may merely be a coincidence, but I have to wonder. Something strange is happening on this island, and I'm beginning to think any plausible non-mystical explanation will have to involve alien technology of some kind--especially since the writers have said what's happening on the island has been happening for ages.

PS: If you enjoyed Contact, check out Solaris by Lem. Touches on some of the same themes in a much more beautiful way, in my opinion.

[maxpublic]

Aliens are at least plausible. It's foolish to believe that humans are the only intelligent life in our galaxy, much less in our entire universe.

But aliens here on Earth? It makes for a fun story, to be sure - but there's never been a single, solitary scrap of evidence in favor of that theory (and no, "Chariots of the Gods" doesn't count).

Strictly from a storyline point of view, you'd have a heck of a time trying to explain aliens in the show. Exactly how did they manage to grab an entire island of the size of the one in "Lost" AND keep that secret from every government in the world, every passing ship, every plane flying by, and every satellite that's mapped the surface over and over again? How are they blocking the French distress call? How long ago did they manage to make this island disappear, since it's *never* been on any map? And what did they do with all the people who must've lived on it before they came? An island that size would've been settled by the Polynesians, and the Europeans after them.

If aliens are in charge you'll immediately have a hundred questions that need to be answered in a plausible way. Except that, without introducing magic, there is no plausible way to answer those questions.

Max

[JacksGirlfriend]

Exactly how did they manage to grab an entire island of the size of the one in "Lost" AND keep that secret

It's easier to believe aliens could have than think anyone here on earth possibly could. But then of course we all know I don't think they're exactly on our earth.

So if it's aliens, anything goes. I mean, from a story perspective, if aliens managed to arrive here, they can conceivably do just about anything and no explanations would necessarily be needed because they're "aliens" and therefore outside the realm of our understanding.

That would be a cop out from the writer's perspective. And if they pull the old "because they can", I'll seriously have to protest.

JacksGirl

[seraphism]

the aliens theory is backed up by a quote (sorry can't be flipped finding the link) from one of the shows producers talking about how that comic with the polar bear is very significant and the comic in question is a story about an alien who lands on earth and while benevolent at first eventually goes on a rampage due to it's confinement here on earth.
ps:- i still think it's all a bit of a smokescreen

[Badger]

Who said the island is not on any map? Who claimed it has never been previously discovered or is as yet unknown?

As we saw in the preview for the next episode there are skeletal remains of what appear to be humans. It appears the French woman is still alive and will be in a future episode or episodes. We heard her refer to another person (Brandon?, Brenden?) in the message.

The writers have stated "Nobody has ever got off the island as far as we know." That doesn't mean they haven't, just that we don't know of any. However, as far as the survivors are concerned, from their point of view, it would appear nobody has because they are either dead or still on the island, but alive.

[bigmouth]

Jacksgirl! I'm surprised to see you so pessimistic about the prospect of aliens. Some of the most beautiful pseudo-scientific stories of all time have involved alien intervention. Perhaps the greatest of them all is Kubrick and Clarke's 2001, which posits that alien intelligence intervened at the dawn of time to ensure humanity's survival by teaching us how to hunt.

But I think you've touched upon the key: the ET angle can't be used as carte blanche to justify anything. Any alien technology will have to be foreseeable (i.e., at least theoretically possible) and the aliens' motives will have to follow some discernible logic. The result, in other words, must be more scully than mulder.

I'm actually willing to concede, at this point, that fear manifestation would probably violate the foregoing. But cloning or resurrection would not.

[JacksGirlfriend]

aw: Actually if the crash was the result of alien intervention and they were deposited on the "island" as damage control, the possibility of fear manifestation is very great. In fact, I think it's almost mandatory for control purposes.

I haven't ruled out anything yet mainly because I'm so open-minded my brain keeps falling out of my head. (Thanks for the image, Max.) I'm willing to listen and argue the pros and cons of any theory because none of us know what's going on at this point. The problem I have with the alien theory is that the writers can in all possibility throw anything our way and really don't need to explain any of it. The idea of an alien species coming here, trying to kidnap a plane, having something go wrong and depositing the survivors as safely as possible proves they can do anything. If they can do anything, no reasons need to be provided.

I don't think the writers will do this - they have too much at stake (like their futures in the industry). But there is a chance they could. I'm willing to accept anything they throw at me as long as it fits within the concept and is explained in a way consistent with the reality they are creating.

If aliens are involved, then the squashed remains of my brain on the floor tell me that the island isn't on this earth and is a "laboratory" of sorts tucked in another dimension. It also tells me that the "kidnapping" happens alot.

JacksGirl

[Black Dahlia]

Why do aliens always have to be in control? If they want to introduce extraterrestrials into the show, why not have them as crash victims, too? Things would look grim indeed if one or more aliens couldn't figure out a way to get off the island.

[JacksGirlfriend]

I've seen nothing tangible that leads me to believe aliens are involved at all (although I'm certainly open to any possibility). They don't necessarily have to be in control. If they are, however, they can conceivably do anything. And if they happened to cause the crash, the odds of us liking some of the explanations goes down because the writers can merely state "because they're aliens. They got here didn't they? If they can get here, they're obviously smarter and more advanced than we are."

It is entirely possible, if we discover aliens are among the Lost, they did indeed crash land there or were "kidnapped" like the plane. That would be very interesting.

JacksGirl

[Wild Jazie]

Ok I found this,
img96.exs.cx/img96/5607/wtfboom2.gif (http://img96.exs.cx/img96/5607/wtfboom2.gif)
and it looks like a UFO, or a stealth plane,
( I also posted it here p073.ezboard.com/flosttheunofficalforumfortheabcseriesfrm8.showMess age?topicID=152.topic (http://p073.ezboard.com/flosttheunofficalforumfortheabcseriesfrm8.showMess age?topicID=152.topic)
But I really want to know what you all think....
Trust me, its worth watching a few times.

[JacksGirlfriend]

Jazie: There are some people discussing this in "Was it Debris?" and amazingly enough "Crack Pot Comic Book Theory" (we tend to go in different directions at times). There's even a poll.

JacksGirl

[The Joshua Tree III]

Aliens ruined 'The Forgotten'

AW...you ruined the movie for me now...shucks...just kidding...but now i will wait to rent...back to lurking...love the show...love the theories...peace out yall...!

Josh

[EagleIFilms]

If I can keep one person from seeing The Forgotten, then I will be happy in life.

[MaxKaladin]

I find it a bit odd to see people being afraid that the presence of aliens will be used as a cop out by the writers to do whatever they want without having to explain it while apparantly not having the same fears about the current crop of mystical/spiritual/paranormal theories. While writers do sometimes use aliens as a cop out, it seems to me this is far more common when writers use the paranormal. Stories involving aliens at least generally pay lip service to explaning how the aliens do things, even if it's total nonsense. Writers often seem to feel no such need with stories about the paranormal. They just say "it's magic", or something like that, and proceed to do whatever they want untroubled by any need to explain what they do.

Personally, I hope its an alien and not some mystical excuse about a sentient island or being in purgatory or something like that. It occurred to me reading the comic book thread last night that an alien could be trapped on the island along with our crash victims and that it would make a very interesting storyline. An alien crash victim using the remnants of his advanced technology to protect himself from the humans he believes will be hostile while hoping against hope that he will someday be rescued seems far more compelling to me than "well, you're dead and now you have to learn an important lesson about yourself" or whatever the current consensus is. I know I'm in the minority, but that's how I feel. I'll just have to live with it.

[drabauer]

Max, that is the only alien scenario I've heard that I like, as it avoids the whole abduction angle. It also might fit with the hint the producers gave that "over the years, many have found themselves on that island." My guess is that after they exhaust plane survivor backstories, JJ, as he has stated, will still want to "get off the island" each week. Therefore we might find evidence of historical figures who were lost (Amelia Earhart anyone?), leading to more backstories or even "reconstructions" of the castaways of what might have occured.

[carwashguy]

I agree with max, I not that big on an aliens idea but that would be better than them being dead and learning a lesson. I would lose some interest watching the show if we find out they are dead.