Jack- a**

[Clementine Kruczynski]

I can not believe that Jack, no matter how sleep deprived or pissed off he was, would actually resort to torturing Sawyer when he's not even sure he has the medicine.
I think it all started when Kate said "Sawyer thinks we have a connection". Maybe Jacky-boy realized that he has some competition and acts accordingly. I actually find myself hoping Jack will die or finallly get it on with Kate so he will stop acting like he's some horny, pissy teenager. All I can say is what a Jack Ass. Anyone else fed up with St. Jack?

[CrazieBlueEyes]

Jack had to make an executive decision...I mean, hey, "we're not in Kansas anymore", Kids!

I am a little bored with him. I am waiting for the writers to show us a little more...make that a lot more, but overall, I think Matthew Fox is in fine form...his character just needs substantially more meat.

CBE

[kadeskiss]

Jack had to make an executive decision...I mean, hey, "we're not in Kansas anymore", Kids

...I can understand that, ...but jack didn't make a executive decision, all he did was follow Sayid. There are 48 people on that island, to assume that only one person is hoarding stuff is very "presumptuous". especially, after accusing him weeks earlier of stealing the water, only to discover that it wasn't him.

Anyone else fed up with St. Jack?

Yes. I am. i can't wait for them to do more on his background, so i can find out what happen with him and his father.

[DOMesticatedSag]

I think that in real life he would be WAY...more stressed than he is coming across on the show. There's an old saying "If it's too good to be true, it' probably is". and
although Jack's character is a do-gooder for now, I bet that changes next season once he's fed up with everyone naming him "leader". just a thought.

[Jakk92056]

I for one applauded Jack’s effort. I found it compelling that he would care so much for this girl to do such a thing. I’m a little biased being asmatic myself. I know what it’s like to suffercate.

The very fact that Sawyer used her suffering as an excuse to kiss Kate sickens me.

Jack showed his true compassion for someone else when he did that.

[arJie]

I very much agree wit u Jakk92056! The fact that Sawyer used the whole situation just to get a kiss from kate is sickening, that makes him a jack ass and not jack! but i also don't like the fact that kate seemed to enjoy the kiss...disappointing...

just my .02 cents

[lost without a care]

i agree with golfergirl. i think sawyer is an ass but jack is just as bad.

[broerox]

Jack did what he had to do. Desperate times calls for desperate measures and Sawyer deserved every bit of it for being a royal jerk and constantly trying to cause problems.

[kadeskiss]

There's an old saying "If it's too good to be true, it' probably is". and
although Jack's character is a do-gooder for now, I bet that changes next season once he's fed up with everyone naming him "leader". just a thought.

I agree. If it too good to be true, it probably is. I think Jack was just being a follower.

Jack did what he had to do. Desperate times calls for desperate measures and Sawyer deserved every bit of it for being a royal jerk and constantly trying to cause problems.

I do not think sawyer deserved to be torture. he never stated that he had the inhaler. ( ..and no one , really ever asked if he had them. they just assume he did on Boone's words) I do not think he was trying to be a jerk, but he knew it didn't even matter if he had them or not, because even if he said he didn't, they would not have believe him, and he knew that. that was probably why he didn't say anything at all. if you think about it, he would have been right. they never question anyone else about the inhaler, nor did they look for other ways to help Shannon. They believe it was a life and death situation, than they should have left Sawyer alone, and found another alternative way to help Shannan ( like what Sun did). That would have been the right way to take charge. But it wasn't about helpping Shannan at all ( please tell me how spending so much time on one person help?) it was more about" the ego's of Jack and Sayid. "

[Clementine Kruczynski]

the ego's of Jack and Sayid.

WOW kadeskiss, that was good. I'm glad that someone else can see what I'm saying. Jack's not as good as he appears to be.

[kadeskiss]

WOW kadeskiss, that was good. I'm glad that someone else can see what I'm saying. Jack's not as good as he appears to be.

....that is what I think makes the show so great. nothing is as it seems. i think there is more to jack character than we know.

[azteclady]

I don't know about Jack being 'too good to be true' - there are plenty of places where people keep harping on his mistakes (just check the 'I don't want Jack to be my doctor' thread, in this forum).

I personally don't see Jack as 'too good' - rather I see him as quite flawed.

Twice now, Jack has stated something only to do the opposite a bit later. If the writers don't come up for a logical reason for it (meaning, something more than narrative necessity), I'm going to be quite disappointed.

In the pilot, when Kate talks about the suffering shrapnel guy is going through, and sort of suggest euthanasia, Jack forcefully exclaims, "I'm not a murderer!" And what do you know? Jack ends up smothering the guy after Sawyer botches his attempt at mercy killing.

In Confidence Man, Jack says to Kate (again, with LOTS of conviction), "We are not savages!" Inevitably, in a few hours he is helping Saeed drag Sawyer from the beach and tie him to a tree, and then stays around to witness the torture session.

Naturally, we are given reasons for both of these decisions - some I consider good enough, others leave me cold. What I have made a note of, though, is that twice in two weeks Jack's vocalization of who he is has been contradicted by his actions.


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[ennui]

he never stated that he had the inhaler. ( ..and no one , really ever asked if he had them. they just assume he did on Boone's words)

I have to take issue with this- Sawyer never said he had the inhalers, but he made no effort to tell Jack that he didn't have them either. Clearly, he wanted Jack and everyone else to think he had them, and they had just cause to believe that he did- he hoards everyone's stuff, and he had Boone's book. Sawyer risked Shannon's life (because time spent trying to get the inhalers from Sawyer could have been spent thinking up alternative medication- thank God Sun was there) and all for a kiss, and a load of self pity. Sawyer was King of the Jackasses for doing so.

Shannon was (relatively) innocent and in danger of dying. Sawyer was purposely impeding her rescue, and therefore would have been the person most responsible for her death. If I were Jack, I would have done the same thing- threaten and hurt a dangerous man to save a dying girl.

[Matthew is a fox]

Amen lol :D It's about time someone said what I wanted to say but didn't. It was like Sawyer wanted to be tortured/hated. Jack even gave him one more shot to tell him the truth before Sayid took over and Sawyer beat around the bush the whole time. How anyone could say Sawyer was innocent in all of this baffles me.

[lost without a care]

sawyer didn't tell them about the inhalers keeping it from them but what about jack? he pissed away all the antibiotics on some soon to be dead dude, even when he knew it was possible they might not be rescued. he did the same thing as sawyer making him just as big of an @#%$.

[Matthew is a fox]

you've got to be kidding me lol. You seriously think Jack shouldn't have tried to save the marshal's life? Well gee, Jack just can't do anything right can he?

[morbius47]

matthewisafox said, "Jack just can't do anything right can he?"

Glad to see you've come around to my way of thinking.
Maybe we can be friends after all.

[gscaleta]

I think he should have offed the marshall. Ok I'm a guy and I just crashed on this island and could die at any moment and I've got this woman (kate) who I can have all to myself and the only thing standing in my way is the marshall. I say adios marshall - hola Kate. Grab her by the hair and drag her off to the caves and set up shop!! There a comes a point in time when a man has to do what a man has to do. Each episode I am more and more convinced that they are writing Jack out to be gay. And honestly there is nothing wrong with that. I just think he should grab some wood and twine, build a closet and come on out of it.

[morbius47]

gs - do you think jack might be gay?

[kadeskiss]

Each episode I am more and more convinced that they are writing Jack out to be gay. And honestly there is nothing wrong with that. I just think he should grab some wood and twine, build a closet and come on out of it.

...jack might not be gay...he could very well be married and do not believe in fooling around on his wife. remember, they haven't been there long, and they still have hope of being recued. so it really wouldn't be appropriate for him to make a move on Kate, just yet.. besides it seem like they are setting Kate up with Sawyer, for now.

[broerox]

Jack isn't perfect but he had to try to save the Marshall. They had no idea they'd be on the island long term, he was just trying to keep the man alive.

[ennui]

Why is there so much anti-Jack sentiment in the Matthew Fox forum? Isn't this a place where we're supposed to, you know- have a little Jack love fest? This kind of stuff would probably have more place in the Josh Holloway forum.

I don't think Jack is gay- he has plenty on his mind right now. In the last two weeks he's been in a plane crash with little hope of rescue, been everyone's go to guy for problems, had hallucinations, had a patient die, failed to save a drowning woman, been injured in a cave in, dealt with the Sawyer problem... the list goes on. Furthermore, he might be married, or just not that interested in Kate. Or he might be the kind of guy who likes to get to know a girl first (do these guys exist, or is that just us women?). Either way, I don't think he's gay.

Everyone knows that Boone is the gay one.

[morbius47]

No arguments about Boone being gay - I agree.

To answer your question about this thread being in Jack's forum... I did not originally post it here. I posted it in General Discussion. Master Xander moved it here, and since he's the boss, he can do that if he wants.
However, the Jack forum is not only for fans, but for anyone who wants to comment - good or bad - on this character.
Really, the whole thing was just a joke when I posted it. But some people forget this is just a tv show, and get a little defensive, and thus heated conversations ensue. Jack may be gay, or maybe not, who cares. I just say he's not a good doctor to have in a crisis.

[broerox]

I just say he's not a good doctor to have in a crisis.
Well Boone and Sawyer would both be dead without him.

[ennui]

Don't forget Rose.

[Matthew is a fox]

I would just ignore Morbius. He likes to cause trouble :) . And no, to answer your previous question Morbius, I don't befriend troublemakers.

[Lothiriel of Rohan]

This all is so silly...:rollin

[Matthew is a fox]

I agree it is. I just don't feel his forum should consist of nothing but negativity. So when people bring up negative topics, I'll try to turn it around into something positive :)

[morbius47]

"Boone and Sawyer would be dead without him."

Boone was not saved by Jack's medical expertise.
Sawyer was endangered by Jack, first by torture, then by negligence. He doesn't get any brownie points for fixing what he caused to go wrong. As Kate said, "Accidents happen when you torture people."

"Ignore Morbius, he likes to cause trouble."

I was attacked and called names for stating my opinion, I did not start trouble. I even appealed for a truce, and was attacked even further.

[gscaleta]

MIAF I have to agree with morbius on this one. You did start by attacking his theory. I think it would be a good idea MIAF if you apologized to morbius so we can move forward.

[Clementine Kruczynski]

When I started this thread I wasn't going anti-Jack. I was just calling into light some of the crap he did. Sorry to burst peoples' bubbles, but none of the characters are perfect, that's what makes this TV show so great.

[Matthew is a fox]

I like Hurley as well and no I am not going to apologize to Morbius. I have moved forward. I don't have a problem ignoring him so he should do the same.

[morbius47]

Don't ignore me, I still want us to be friends.

[Matthew is a fox]

Well I don't want to be your friend o little one :)

[morbius47]

now you're just being mean

[Matthew is a fox]

And so are you. So what do you think, I have stooped down to your level?

[Clementine Kruczynski]

Ok why don't you guys take your little spat someplace else and let's trash Jack not each other ok.

P.S. go Morbius0]

[Matthew is a fox]

Why is it GHS that you feel the need to trash Jack anyhow? What's the deal, does it make you feel better?

[Matthew is a fox]

I think Jack is a steady character, for now at least. Just the same as Hurley, Locke or Charlie even though they have their flaws. I've been racking my brain for this past hour trying to figure out why it's JUST Jack's forum that gets all the haters. If you want to put down the character constructively, than so be it, but as of yet, nobody on this thread has put down the character constructively. You guys have been rude and obnoxious about it.

[Clementine Kruczynski]

I don't just trash Jack. If I find a character flaw that I don't care for I'll point it out in a post. This is all supposed to be fun. Before you get your panties in a wad remember that IT IS NOT REAL!! There is nothing wrong with Matthew Fox (he is a very sexy dude), I'm not saying there is anything wrong with Matthew, only the character that he plays.

[Matthew is a fox]

Well in your opinion his character is flawed, but for others, his character is fine. It seems to me that you as well as others cannot accept that there is actually someone on this board that is a fan of the character of Jack and takes a different opinion than you. And also, to go around trashing people is not fun for those that actually like the character. Why don't you show some respect?

[broerox]

I don't think Jack is perfect, that would be boring. But thankfully, he isn't a racist, troublemaker, narcissist, or jerk. He's likeable and heroic in that he tries to do the right thing.

[morbius47]

I heard a rumor that a truce has been called. Anyone else for that?