WHAT is jacob!?!?!?

[they see ALL]

well???

maybe yung (a member of this forum) was right and he is an "enlightened" person???

so enlightened, in fact, that he can only be experienced by a few people...

EDIT:

here is a cap (thanks jmberger (http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/member.php?u=42)):

http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/6330/jacob02ab9.jpg

EDIT 2:

http://lost.cubit.net/forum/gallery/1_09_05_07_10_43_58.jpg (http://lost.cubit.net/forum/gallery/1_09_05_07_10_43_58.jpg)

from here:

3x20: Jacob Lives (http://lost.cubit.net/viewEgg.php?id=283)


( originally linked here: http://www.belowtopsecret.com/thread...g47#pid3180196 (http://www.belowtopsecret.com/thread219112/pg47#pid3180196) )



;)

[solat]

Smokey? Richard Alpert?

[LPU]

Scary as crap. That's what he is.

[ILoveEko]

LOL LPU, no kidding.

[Whipsnade]

Very, very old ranch dressing.

[scottandwtb]

We better get some Jacob answers in season 4. That whole thing was just weird.

[Without Dane]

A cop-out?

[LPU]

Cop out? Really? That was better than my wildest dreams. I could NOT have imagined anything even coming close to that reveal, and I say reveal with no hint of irony. That was amazing.

[bella24]

Really dissapointing. Thats what it is.

[they see ALL]

A cop-out?

i thought he was a ghost...

but, maybe, yung was right and jacob is enlightened...


;)

[norhoc]

I still think locke is jacob and the help me was him foreshadowing ben shooting him. That is why when locke said that jacob said help me ben looked freaked out.

[WASTE]

A possibly integral part of the mythology that many will write off because they don't understand it?

Seriously, though:
-Very important person/being stuck in another plane of reality that only those "in tune" with the island can see
-Someone's consciousness stripped of their mortal body
-Manifestation of the island (hates technology, wanted it destroyed when DHARMA came and set up their hi-tech research facilities, etc.)

I don't think it's a "ghost" in the traditional sense.

[Quattro]

Jacob is the Shark.

[HellsChicken]

I think either Jacob is really some power of Ben's, whether he knows it or not, or he's a ghost.

[LPU]

For those that are disappointed WHAT would you have preferred? Please do tell.

[Without Dane]

I thought it was incredibly cool, but its kind of a cop-out in terms of answering nothing and implying everything.

[bella24]

For those that are disappointed WHAT would you have preferred? Please do tell.


I don't know. Maybe a REAL person. That would have been nice. They made a big deal out of Jacob this whole season and then we get that?? Just another unanswered question for us IMO.

[Hurley4Prez]

I'm guessing it's someone stuck in between dimensions, who wants help becoming corporeal again. Same goes for the Whisperers. I'm guessing he's the strong one that can effect matter on the island. (?)

[Without Dane]

I'm guessing it's someone stuck in between dimensions, who wants help becoming corporeal again. Same goes for the Whisperers. I'm guessing he's the strong one that can effect matter on the island. (?)

Agreed.

[Spybinder]

Without Dane, I agree... The first thing I thought of when Ben said this is Jacob was something from Psyco with Norman Bates and his mother. And what went on between Alpert and company a.k.a the Hostiles from the time Ben was 12 years old and when they gased the Dharma Initiative when Ben was older? I sure hope Locke survives some way. Locke had the most knowledge and drive of the Losties to find out. We may never know all of the island mysteries now.

[Diamondduste]

I think Locke can help him, and that's why Ben is threatened. Being the only one to communicate with Jacob is a key to Ben's power.

[Westix]

Jacob is pissed. Or at least is going to be. My gut says you dont kill the guy Jacob says "Help Me" to.

[LOSTUmphreak]

For those that are disappointed WHAT would you have preferred? Please do tell.

exactly. if jacob was ben, i'd be pissed. if he was alpert, i'd be pissed. if he was jack or christian, danielle, desmond, blah blah blah blah blah, I'd be pissed. this is at least something that has me intrigued.

[LightSide/DarkSide]

The original "incident"?

[Faraday]

They made it perfectly clear what Jacob was:

Just
A
Chair
Of
Ben's

or maybe not...

[Diamondduste]

The original "incident"?

I think it might be an experiment gone REAL bad...

[ISIS]

I'm not sure what Jacob is; a trapped spirit maybe if the whole thing wasn't staged by Ben. One thing's for certain...Ben is as fruity as a 20 pound fruitcake.

[MagneticLocke]

Guys, it was Locke! If someone is nice enough to get a screen shot up here, we have it frozen on DVR here and I'm almost positive he was Locke wearing a wig.

[LOSTUmphreak]

it sounded to me like ben felt threatened that locke could hear jacob almost like ben is the only one who can hear him

[jmb3rg3r]

http://lost.egoplex.com/jacob-02.jpg

[MagneticLocke]

Seriously, someone, anyone get that screen shot. We get a shot of Jacob's outline and I'm 99% positive it's Locke.

[MagneticLocke]

YES, that is LOCKE with long hair!

[fatpeoplearefunnier]

Guys, it was Locke! If someone is nice enough to get a screen shot up here, we have it frozen on DVR here and I'm almost positive he was Locke wearing a wig.

In a way i find the thought of it being Locke more comforting then it being a ghost...
I don't know though. Look in the episode threat, theer are some screencaps there, but even the doctered, lightened version doesn't look like anyone i recognize.

I think Jacob is a ghost.
Probably won't sleep tonight.

[AceOfDiamonds]

The resemblence with Locke and that shadowy figure is fairly uncanny.

[truffula]

From the cap I saw of the "brief" appearance of "JACOB", it looked an AWFUL lot like ALVAR HANSO.


http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e41/truffula/Webmaze%20Pics/statementfromAlvarHanso.jpg

[LPU]

It does look like Locke, doesn't it?

[DreaminLost]

Hold on! Where did that photo come from jm?

[MagneticLocke]

You're right, it looks a lot like Hanso too. I still believe it's Locke, however.

[zartan]

That screencap kind of looks like GOD. Does anybody else see it?

[MagneticLocke]

Hold on! Where did that photo come from jm?

It was a flash in the Jacob scene. That's Jacob.

[solat]

Dreamy - it was flashed during the broadcast. I missed it too.

I was kind of thinking Ben was crazy... I was kind of hoping he was too.

[boonian androphile]

Locke's father, the convenient Mr. Cooper, is likely the next havid. Maybe he will have answers as to Jacob's identity. Or maybe dead Cooper will just be snotty.:ghost2: :irked: :pissed:

[Liz-trouve-verlorene]

but Jacob's forehead and nose are much more rounded than Locke's ,,,

honestly, I thought Jacob looked like the guy who was Ben's dad's *friend* who Ben saw slumped on the park bench....that guy had a sort of bulbous nose and rounded forehead like Jacob shown in jmberger's screencap (thnx!)

[DreaminLost]

There are similarities to God. No one has ever seen God, but a few select people have heard his voice.

Ben obviously couldn't hear his voice because he had to ask Locke what he said. So why was he pretending to be in conversation with him?

[zetaprime]

A cop-out?

I agree..You ended up still not knowing what Jacob was. Ghost? Delusion? Smokey? I'm inclined to go with delusion. Ben seem insane to me and maybe the island gives him a little bit of psychokinesis. The way the stuff started flying around the shack seemed like what you see in any old hokey spook movie.

[Sawyer'sBaby'sMomma]

http://lost.egoplex.com/jacob-02.jpg

http://www.losttv-forum.com/captures/files/8/7/7/9/313_0321.jpg


From the eyes up, yeah it does. But the nose gives it away as not being Locke, it does look very close though.

[MagneticLocke]

There are similarities to God. No one has ever seen God, but a few select people have heard his voice.

Ben obviously couldn't hear his voice because he had to ask Locke what he said. So why was he pretending to be in conversation with him?

Maybe he can see him, but John can hear him.

[saladdays]

Maybe Ben can hear Jacob, but Jacob made the words "help me" only audible to Locke.

[MagneticLocke]

How anyone can say this is a letdown is beyond me.

[Echo]

They made it perfectly clear what Jacob was:

Just
A
Chair
Of
Ben's

or maybe not...

That's really good!!! :Cheers:

http://lost.egoplex.com/jacob-02.jpg

See below:

From the cap I saw of the "brief" appearance of "JACOB", it looked an AWFUL lot like ALVAR HANSO.


http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e41/truffula/Webmaze%20Pics/statementfromAlvarHanso.jpg


It's definitely Alvar. Or Alvar's grandpa.

[LPU]

He appears to be wearing "hostile" clothing. What if anything can be gathered from that, hell if I know.

[Guy Smiley]

but Jacob's forehead and nose are much more rounded than Locke's ,,,

honestly, I thought Jacob looked like the guy who was Ben's dad's *friend* who Ben saw slumped on the park bench....that guy had a sort of bulbous nose and rounded forehead like Jacob shown in jmberger's screencap (thnx!)

That's exactly who I was thinking of, the guy who got him the job. Don't remember if they gave his name, but there is quite a resemblance. Also, they made a point about Ben closing the guy's eyes.

[yung23]

nice screen cap JM.. and his voice sounded a little familiar to me

it seemed deep like kelvins

[EvilHamster]

Look at the clothing he is wearing. It's obviously he's from another era. I'm guessing he was aboard the Black Rock.

[HellsChicken]

take a look here:
http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=34794

[chaz]

He looks like that Scottish comedien. I forget his name. Connelly???

[foxxie]

I'm guessing it's someone stuck in between dimensions, who wants help becoming corporeal again. Same goes for the Whisperers. I'm guessing he's the strong one that can effect matter on the island. (?)

Yeah..that's along the lines of what I was thinking. Stuck between alternate timelines or something.

[LPU]

Maybe we're thinking the wrong Hanso? Magnus, anyone?

[DreaminLost]

Okay, why did Alex give Locke a gun?

And if Jacob is invisible, how did he make the list that Ben referred to when he was on the operating table?

[jmb3rg3r]

Hold on! Where did that photo come from jm?
What, do you think I made it up?

[DreaminLost]

It's JM!

I just wasn't quick enough to catch the flash.

[they see ALL]

the cap of jacob reminds me of "whistler" from 'blade'...


:nanabobo:

[Without Dane]

the cap of jacob reminds me of "whistler" from 'blade'...


:nanabobo:

haha, quite true.

[Echo]

It's definitely Magnus Hanso.

[msakdillz]

Here is a picture of jacob that was shown in chair for split second :)


http://img525.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jacobid0.png

[Without Dane]

Handsome.

[Without Dane]

It's definitely Magnus Hanso.

That'd be great.

[Sawyer'sBaby'sMomma]

Somethin' kinda struck me about this episode. The white rabbit...it kinda weirded me out, and "Jacob" reminded me of the Cheshire Cat. Geez if Wizard of Oz can be mentioned in here, I wouldn't be surprised that Alice in Wonderland would make a subtle cameo.


Alice was real, Wonderland was fantasy. The same situation turned true with Wizard of Oz. Dorothy=real, Oz=Not so much. Dunno.

[OneHurleyNation]

When i paused and saw him, my first thought was that he sounded and looked a bit like Kris Kristopherson. Whistler is 'him'!!! lol

[lookafatkangaroo]

I knew i saw somebody I wasn't just freaking out. Hooray.

[juanbong]

Merging with similar thread.

Thanks.

[bella24]

How many of you actually saw this "flash of Jacob" when watching the show? I didn't see anything at all...was it before or after Jacob went ballistic and everything started shaking?

[truffula]

Can't be Magnus...unless the Blast Door Map was misleading when it said "final resting place of Magnus Hanso/Black Rock".

But...for the sake of the rules, I'll tag this part:
in TLE, Alvar has been kept prisoner for many years. We don't know anything about his time away, only that his daughter Rachel Blake found him and saved him....but that's 2 years ahead of the "on air LOST timeline". I wonder if, despite the fact they bungled the timeline factor with TLE, if they were hinting at ALVAR being "held prisoner"...thus the "Help Me" from "Jacob"

[DreaminLost]

We still don't know who Henry Gale was. Besides being Dorothy's uncle.

The answers lie within the pages of The Wizard of Oz.

[Edison]

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m24/trinity10467/jacob.jpg

[Sawyer'sBaby'sMomma]

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m24/trinity10467/jacob.jpg

I'm in a personal battle with myself here. It looks SO much like Locke...besides the nose, but that could be the play of shadows and lighting. BAH!

Locke being "Jacob" is a possibility. Heck, Desmond can see it in flashes, and Locke was in a good close range when the implosion happened. Wouldn't be surprised if stuff starts gettin' this loopy.

And Jacob "hiding in plain sight" could refer as much to Locke as it could to a "ghost" or "invisible person" of sorts.

[they see ALL]

Here is a picture of jacob that was shown in chair for split second :)


on a side-note:

how do you have the episode playing on windows media player already!?!?!?

lucky you!!!


;)

[Echo]

Can't be Magnus...unless the Blast Door Map was misleading when it said "final resting place of Magnus Hanso/Black Rock".

But...for the sake of the rules, I'll tag this part:
in TLE, Alvar has been kept prisoner for many years. We don't know anything about his time away, only that his daughter Rachel Blake found him and saved him....but that's 2 years ahead of the "on air LOST timeline". I wonder if, despite the fact they bungled the timeline factor with TLE, if they were hinting at ALVAR being "held prisoner"...thus the "Help Me" from "Jacob"

Well, it could be his final corporal (corporeal?) resting place.

I like what you're thinking in the tag, though:


That'd be incredible if it was Alvar asking John to save him/THF by getting off the island and defeating Mittlewerk. BAH!!! :D

[solat]

We still don't know who Henry Gale was. Besides being Dorothy's uncle.

The answers lie within the pages of The Wizard of Oz.

I noticed Ben's mom was wearing a Dorothy dress in Ben's flashback.

By the by... do we have a Wizard of Oz thread? We might have the makings of one.

[Edison]

I totally think its locke, esp now that i'm thinking of what ben said. Something along the line of "Jacob hates technology just like you Locke"

[juanbong]

I noticed Ben's mom was wearing a Dorothy dress in Ben's flashback.

By the by... do we have a Wizard of Oz thread? We might have the makings of one.

Check this search page (http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/search.php?searchid=551583). There are 17 different threads dealing with the Wizard of OZ. :)

[MagneticLocke]

Okay, why did Alex give Locke a gun?

And if Jacob is invisible, how did he make the list that Ben referred to when he was on the operating table?

I think Ben has killed everyone he brings to Jacob and he only brings them to Jacob to try to figure out what the hell is going on.

[solat]

Check this search page (http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/search.php?searchid=551583). There are 17 different threads dealing with the Wizard of OZ. :)

Ironically, when I clicked it, it said "No matches found - please try another term". Hehehe.

Thanks though, juan! I'll do an advanced search tomorrow morning when I got some time to read. :D

[Squiggy]

I'm one of those people that never forgets a face. That, to me, looks a hell of a lot like Locke. The nose and all.

[DreaminLost]

Okay, for the sake of argument, let's say it looks just like Locke.
What does it MEAN?!

[shadyhippie]

what are the chances they're going to re-address this issue before season 5?

[Ih82w8forlostanswers]

It's Owen Wilson.

[solat]

what are the chances they're going to re-address this issue before season 5?

0.001%

[time is a river]

Okay, for the sake of argument, let's say it looks just like Locke.
What does it MEAN?!

Locke is caught in a time loop? There are multiple Lockes because of time travel?? Locke died and became a ghost, but his ghost time travelled to an earlier period on the island??? Do you want more crazy ideas?

[MeMiMoBecca]

In HD it is definatly Locke but thats not hair on his head, it's some kind of cape or something. The cape? covers the left sid eof his face so the nose thing is just a play on shadows from the cape thingy.

[Without Dane]

I'm going to assume its just the writers being annoying.

[shadyhippie]

Doubt it. Just another eccentricity of Lost.

[Ih82w8forlostanswers]

Any chance that is Ben's mothers hair?

[Sawyer'sBaby'sMomma]

That's what I noticed about the screencap first. A screwed up nose just like Owen Wilson.

[Squiggy]

It's Owen Wilson.Majorly wrong. It's Chris Elliott.
http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u296/Smells_Familiar/chriselliott-1.jpg

[MagneticLocke]

That's what I noticed about the screencap first. A screwed up nose just like Owen Wilson.

The end of the nose looks as fake as the hair. It definitely looks like Terry O'Quinn with a wig and a fake nose.

[foxxie]

So...I just re-watched. (I do love my DVR)

The disturbance in the cabin didn't start until Locke started to tell Ben what Jacob said.

Locke: "I heard you. You said He.."

The disturbance started right then at "He..", not when he turned on the flashlight. Couple that with the fact that Jacob said something to Locke that Ben obviously didn't hear. Makes me think that Ben and Jacob aren't the best of friends. or something. It could definately be something.

[Squiggy]

The nose is Locke's. But it's Chris Elliott. That's right.

[Sawyer'sBaby'sMomma]

Very true, and like I said, from the eyes up, it definitely matches Locke, and about now with everything going on on the island, anything makes sense at this point.

[Without Dane]

So...I just re-watched. (I do love my DVR)

The disturbance in the cabin didn't start until Locke started to tell Ben what Jacob said.

Locke: "I heard you. You said He.."

The disturbance started right then at "He..", not when he turned on the flashlight.

That makes a lot of sense.

[MagneticLocke]

One thing that intrigued me was that Ben seemed to have some power over Jacob or at least to be holding something over him. The whole "Ok, you've had your fun!" and shaking him just seemed a bit out of place to me.

[Sawyer'sBaby'sMomma]

It was almost like he was scolding a kid, something a father would say.

[truffula]

So does that mean that "Jacob" is being held against his will? Maybe because he is "special"?

I think about Babylon 5 and the planet that loomed below the massive space station. It needed a life to sustain it, to control it. Perhaps the OTHERS are looking for someone to REPLACE Jacob in the drivers seat.

They learned a lot from Walt, so Ben said, and they all really seemed to want Locke to be "the one" when Ben tried to have him kill his father in front of everyone in "the Brig".

ETA - Jacob is losing his powers. They're getting sick. Ben got a tumor. Along those lines....

[Geoffrey Arnold]

I posted this on another thread, but here is what Jacob is...

Here is the reason for the ash circle.

The ash circle is to signify that the volcano is still active, even though it hasn’t erupted in many years. I also think it explains “Jacob”. In ancient Delphi, the priest use to speak to the Oracle. The Oracle had a temple where the priest would visit when the city was in danger. But the scientific explanation was that there was methane gas being expelled from a fault in the earth, and that’s where the temple was built. Therefore, the priest were actually inhaling this odorless, colorless gas that was making them hallucinate.

The same thing is going on with Jacob. There is a gas from the volcano which is making Ben and Locke hallucinate and experience different things. When all of the crazy stuff started happening in the shack; it was all imagined because of the gas. Notice that the lamp hit the ground and started burning the shack, but nothing ever really burned. It was all part of Locke’s hallucination because of the gas from the volcano.

Geoff A.

[MagneticLocke]

It was almost like he was scolding a kid, something a father would say.

Right, but at the same time, Ben and everyone else fears Jacob. I think the theory that Jacob is being held in an ash circle (ash circles contain ghosts according to many lores) makes sense. I'm still not sure why they consider Jacob their "leader" however. It's a very odd relationship.

[Sawyer'sBaby'sMomma]

That makes sense as well. Although that classroom full of kids learning about the volcano could be construed as just some filler, why have a discussion about there being a volcano that existed on the island? Because the volcano being on the island has some significance methinks. I agree about the leader thing ML, very odd relationship. Apparently though, Jacob and Ben talk, but when Jacob says something to Locke, Ben doesn't hear it.

[Liz-trouve-verlorene]

cool explanation Geoff A, but the only dilemma is TPTB let us, the viewers, see an image of Jacob....how can this be explained

[LPU]

I doubt the volcano discussion was filler. There's somewhere to go with that. I just don't know where. Classroom filler would have been English or the like.

[Sawyer'sBaby'sMomma]

Agreed, LPU

[they see ALL]

cool explanation Geoff A, but the only dilemma is TPTB let us, the viewers, see an image of Jacob....how can this be explained

exactly...

although, we have seen other hallucinations (unless we are to believe that christian and hurley's friend, among many other hallucinations, really were on the island)...


;)

[truffula]

I doubt the volcano discussion was filler. There's somewhere to go with that. I just don't know where. Classroom filler would have been English or the like.
I totally agree. That's Island history there, even though it was brief and vauge.

[shadyhippie]

When I heard volcano, I thought of two things:

1. Island sacrifices
2. Austin Powers 2, where Dr. Evil was headquartered in the volcano hahaha

[MagneticLocke]

When volcanoes erupt do they leave perfectly circular ash remains? Those definitely looked planted, especially considering how sensitive Ben seemed to its formation. I think they keep Jacob trapped much the same way the electric fence does Smokey.

[Liz-trouve-verlorene]

Truff, what do you think of this post, especially considering that we, the viewers, were shown an image of Jacob?


Quote:
Here is the reason for the ash circle.

The ash circle is to signify that the volcano is still active, even though it hasn’t erupted in many years. I also think it explains “Jacob”. In ancient Delphi, the priest use to speak to the Oracle. The Oracle had a temple where the priest would visit when the city was in danger. But the scientific explanation was that there was methane gas being expelled from a fault in the earth, and that’s where the temple was built. Therefore, the priest were actually inhaling this odorless, colorless gas that was making them hallucinate.

The same thing is going on with Jacob. There is a gas from the volcano which is making Ben and Locke hallucinate and experience different things. When all of the crazy stuff started happening in the shack; it was all imagined because of the gas. Notice that the lamp hit the ground and started burning the shack, but nothing ever really burned. It was all part of Locke’s hallucination because of the gas from the volcano.

Geoff A.

[Now Am Found]

I haven't participated in any of the TLE stuff, but I just went to the Hanso Foundation website and in their promo video (the one that was the commercial during last season's shows) they show a drawing of some guy as they are saying, "since the beginning of time..." blah blah blah.

I attached a picture of it -- I don't know if it means anything or if it's even Jacob, but who knows. This show drives me nuts.

And this episode will for sure give me nightmares (which is why I'm still up!!) :)

[Geoffrey Arnold]

cool explanation Geoff A, but the only dilemma is TPTB let us, the viewers, see an image of Jacob....how can this be explained

We saw an image of Jacob? when did this happen? Someone post a screen-cap.

[Sawyer'sBaby'sMomma]

OH yeah...had forgotten about the formation that Locke noticed. I wasn't sure what it was honestly, but that seems to add a bit more to the "ash circle" bit. Hrmmm...

Well, my brain hurts, as it usually does on Wednesday nights and I have to work tomorrow. Enjoy your speculations, theories and conclusions everyone.

Adieu until next week,

SBM

GAThere are a couple screens, one for sure I know is on Page 3 of this thread. Looks ALOT like Locke.

[Squiggy]

Break that circle Locke!!! He will be back dammit!

[MagneticLocke]

We saw an image of Jacob? when did this happen? Someone post a screen-cap.

Go to page 3 of this thread. That is the clearest one I've seen.

[strummecharlie]

doesn't that screencap look like that hippie guy? who welcomed locke and roger onto the island and put flower thingies around their neck?

[Geoffrey Arnold]

I haven't participated in any of the TLE stuff, but I just went to the Hanso Foundation website and in their promo video (the one that was the commercial during last season's shows) they show a drawing of some guy as they are saying, "since the beginning of time..." blah blah blah.

I attached a picture of it -- I don't know if it means anything or if it's even Jacob, but who knows. This show drives me nuts.

And this episode will for sure give me nightmares (which is why I'm still up!!) :)

Huuuu? Isn't that just a picture of an old Leonardo Da vinci?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/ba/Leonardo_self.jpg

Geoff A.

[Liz-trouve-verlorene]

We saw an image of Jacob? when did this happen? Someone post a screen-cap.

look at several of the other Jacob threads running on this forum, his image is everywhere! I didn't see it in the live epi but my teen son did.

[truffula]

Truff, what do you think of this post, especially considering that we, the viewers, were shown an image of Jacob?
I still think "Jacob" is ALVAR (or Magnus) HANSO. ;)

I haven't participated in any of the TLE stuff, but I just went to the Hanso Foundation website and in their promo video (the one that was the commercial during last season's shows) they show a drawing of some guy as they are saying, "since the beginning of time..." blah blah blah.

I attached a picture of it -- I don't know if it means anything or if it's even Jacob, but who knows. This show drives me nuts.

And this episode will for sure give me nightmares (which is why I'm still up!!) :)

Oooh...you can still get into the old Hanso site!!! I used to have a cracked url to get into the old site from the beginning of TLE, so I imagine you can see all that stuff. Very good.

But CRAP!! My url for the old Hanso site is no longer working. Boo.

[MagneticLocke]

doesn't that screencap look like that hippie guy? who welcomed locke and roger onto the island and put flower thingies around their neck?

I'd need to see another screenshot but I'm inclined to say no.

[Sawyer'sBaby'sMomma]

I saw it, but it was a very quick and brief snap of him.

[Sawyer'sBaby'sMomma]

You mean the hippie guy played by the actor who was the a***ole guard in The Green Mile?

Horace Goodspeed?

I checked a picture of him out...it could be close, but not as close as Locke

[Liz-trouve-verlorene]

http://lost.egoplex.com/jacob-02.jpg

heres the screenshot, geoff

[Frecklestoo]

It was such a brief flash...thanks for the screencap, JMB! I also think it looks like Locke. But I have no idea what it means.....

[djsunyc]

I posted this on another thread, but here is what Jacob is...

nice geoff. on the way to see jacob, locke ate the fruit. and then both of them drank water from the stream.

is the water drugged on the island?

is this one huge lsd trip?

[Now Am Found]

Huuuu? Isn't that just a picture of an old Leonardo Da vinci?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/ba/Leonardo_self.jpg

Geoff A.

Uh...yeah. OK. Sorry. Like I said, I'm not into the TLE. Not into DaVinci, either, evidently.

[Geoffrey Arnold]

heres the screenshot, geoff

huuum. That is odd. I ddin't see this at all. Luckily, I can just fire up my TIVO and take another look.

[they see ALL]

http://lost.cubit.net/forum/gallery/1_09_05_07_10_43_58.jpg (http://lost.cubit.net/forum/gallery/1_09_05_07_10_43_58.jpg)

here:

3x20: Jacob Lives (http://lost.cubit.net/viewEgg.php?id=283)


( originally linked here: http://www.belowtopsecret.com/thread219112/pg47#pid3180196 )


;)

[Liz-trouve-verlorene]

doesn't that screencap look like that hippie guy? who welcomed locke and roger onto the island and put flower thingies around their neck?

that's who I first guessed it was too, cuz that guy had a very rounded forehead and a similar nose....but, I don't know..:rolleyez:

[shadyhippie]

Jacob looks like Tom and Locke got drunk one night and....well lets just say what happens on the island, stays on the island.

[truffula]

Does anyone else find it awfully convenient that TONIGHT (and I mean seriously, within hours - I checked it before the eppy), my hacked link to thehansofoundation.org as it appeared at the start of TLE no longer works?

[Sawyer'sBaby'sMomma]

nice geoff. on the way to see jacob, locke ate the fruit. and then both of them drank water from the stream.

is the water drugged on the island?

is this one huge lsd trip?

Wouldn't be surprised if that was the case either. Anything's possible at this point, and the time that Dharma was started, people were lovin' dem drugs.

Mmkay, I'm really goin' to bed now, LOL

[Liz-trouve-verlorene]

Does anyone else find it awfully convenient that TONIGHT (and I mean seriously, within hours - I checked it before the eppy), my hacked link to thehansofoundation.org as it appeared at the start of TLE no longer works?

you must be onto something! :)

[they see ALL]

Does anyone else find it awfully convenient that TONIGHT (and I mean seriously, within hours - I checked it before the eppy), my hacked link to thehansofoundation.org as it appeared at the start of TLE no longer works?

thus you can't get information from that site anymore???

o0o well...

i am sure that information from TLE is well documented in other 'lost' sites...


;)

[strummecharlie]

i'm really not hoping it's one beautiful ecstatic drug state. ...can't be:( NO!:(

[MagneticLocke]

Jacob looks like Tom and Locke got drunk one night and....well lets just say what happens on the island, stays on the island.

I was thinking it kind of looked like a cross between Locke and Jack's father.

[shadyhippie]

I was thinking it kind of looked like a cross between Locke and Jack's father.

no way he has his mommy's (locke) jaw/scruff, and his daddy's (tom) hair

If only conan would do an "If They Mated" with those two.

[Liz-trouve-verlorene]

I was thinking it kind of looked like a cross between Locke and Jack's father.

well you know, Locke's mother's name was Emily too....hmmmmm...but Locke is closer to Christian Shephard's age

...still, interesting that Ben and Locke's mothers both have the same name!

[Geoffrey Arnold]

heres the screenshot, geoff

O.K., I just saw the scene again. That doesn’t disprove my theory, because we are watching the hallucination from Locke’s perspective the whole time. Locke also watches the lamp fall on the ground and start a fire. We are seeing this as part of Locke’s hallucination. The man is also Locke’s hallucination.

The gas leak from the volcano + a little power of suggestion = “Jacob”

[LPU]

Man he looks like a familiar actor but I can't place it. I thought Christopher Lee for a sec, but I don't think the nose works there either. How cool would it be to have him on Craphole though?!

[Geoffrey Arnold]

i'm really not hoping it's one beautiful ecstatic drug state. ...can't be:( NO!:(



I think the “Ancient city of Delphi/hallucination from volcano gas leak” theory is a much more satisfying explanation than “magical spirits theory”.



imho


Geoff A.

[SandDollar]

Forgive me if this person has been mentioned before...but I am lousy at remembering names or details...but I think the picture looks like the guy who was originally in the hatch with Desmond....what's-his-name.....

[Liz-trouve-verlorene]

Forgive me if this person has been mentioned before...but I am lousy at remembering names or details...but I think the picture looks like the guy who was originally in the hatch with Desmond....what's-his-name.....

Kelvin Inman.

I had that thought too, simply because Kelvin had a very pronounced forehead and nose...

I think the “Ancient city of Delphi/hallucination from volcano gas leak” theory is a much more satisfying explanation than “magical spirits theory”.



imho


Geoff A.

If I had to choose between one theory or the other, I would rather it be yours too! cuz the whole magical spirits thing is lame lame lame

[keairaii]

well you know, Locke's mother's name was Emily too....hmmmmm...but Locke is closer to Christian Shephard's age

...still, interesting that Ben and Locke's mothers both have the same name!

Plus, we've already seen Locke's mom and now Ben's mom. They're totally different people. I do think the names are important, though, even if only as a way to subconsciously push Ben and Locke closer together in the viewer's mind. Remember, TPTB do no throw names around lightly.

[they see ALL]

i think ben would be smart enough to know if there was a gas leak of some kind...

hell, even locke would be keen to the idea (if he knew there was a volcano on the island)...

locke seems to have watched many nature shows (hehe) and he is a master survivalist...


;)

[truffula]

thus you can't get information from that site anymore???

o0o well...

i am sure that information from TLE is well documented in other 'lost' sites...


;)
OTHER sites?!??! Bah humbug to "other sites" - we have a fine archive of TLE right HERE (http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=18384) at LTV.

Its just a bummer that they finally figured out our hack......conveniently tonight as I mentioned too.....hmmm.....8 month hiatus coming, TLE left with a mild cliffhanger.....I wonder....

[Geoffrey Arnold]

i think ben would be smart enough to know if there was a gas leak of some kind...

hell, even locke would be keen to the idea (if he knew there was a volcano on the island)...

locke seems to have watched many nature shows (hehe) and he is a master survivalist...


;)

Why/How would they know? The people of Delphi didn’t know and they were doing this for 100s of years. The gas is odorless, colorless, and tasteless. How would you know? Notice that the hallucinations didn’t start for Locke immediately upon entering the shack and closing the door. He had to be exposed to the gas for a couple of moments. Then the crazy stuff started happening.

Geoff A.

[they see ALL]

Why/How would they know? The people of Delphi didn’t know and they were doing this for 100s of years. The gas is odorless, colorless, and tasteless. How would you know? Notice that the hallucinations didn’t start for Locke immediately upon entering the shack and closing the door. He had to be exposed to the gas for a couple of moments. Then the crazy stuff started happening.

Geoff A.

your right...

but still, with the information that was documented about it, ben / locke could have read about this stuff and etc...

hell, dharma could have said "stay clear of that area because of some crazy gas that will make you see stuff" (or something to that effect) :nanabobo:


;)

[they see ALL]

OTHER sites?!??! Bah humbug to "other sites" - we have a fine archive of TLE right HERE (http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=18384) at LTV.

true...

TLE left with a mild cliffhanger.....I wonder....

and what was that???

i think TPTB said that fans, overall, didn't enjoy TLE and thus they wouldn't do it again...


;)

[HoboJoe2]

I think it was a hallucination. Maybe it had to do with whatever was in those jars. Some combination of chemicals. There was a fire started, correct? Well where was that fire when they left? Ben was in no hurry to get out and I don't recall either of them putting it out. I also don't recall any light in the cabin from the fire when they left. But the weird thing is that the hallucination started when he used the flashlight. Why would it start with that? And when did it end?

[misty nichole]

I loved it. Could not have been better.

[Geoffrey Arnold]

I think it was a hallucination. Maybe it had to do with whatever was in those jars. Some combination of chemicals. There was a fire started, correct? Well where was that fire when they left? Ben was in no hurry to get out and I don't recall either of them putting it out. I also don't recall any light in the cabin from the fire when they left. But the weird thing is that the hallucination started when he used the flashlight. Why would it start with that? And when did it end?

Good question. I think it ended when Locke opening the door to let some of the gas escape. And you’re right that Ben was in no hurry to leave after the lamp started catching the floor on fire. This is because that was merely Locke’s hallucination. The lamp was never really knocked over, and Ben never saw and fire. He probably saw a different set of hallucinations.

[Echo]

Jacob is Mangus VerMagnuson... World's strongest man and Coors Light Drinker.

[7-Year Ranch]

Ben brought the lamp out with him and hung it up by the door. It didn't appear to be broken.

[Katie2]

I think Jacob was caused by the incident and that's why he said "Help me", he wasn't always like this.

[Liz-trouve-verlorene]

Has anyone thought of this yet?

Take a look at the dog portrait propped against the back wall in Jacob's shed:

If you zoom this image on your computer, and take a good long look at the eyes as well as that leg/arm paw/hand, you start to really get a creepy sense that it is part dog, part human. The eyes look more human than dog when the image is enlarged. That paw is not normal. And look at the joint just above it....looks just like a wrist when your hand is bent downwards.....

Maybe this is a portrait of Jacob....many theorize that Jacob is smokey, and smokey has often been likened to Cerberus, the three-headed dog...and the name Cerberus is on the blast door map....

Jacob = Smokey = Cerberus = 3-headed dog = Dog painting is a clue.

[MichaelW30]

I think the hallucination theory might be challanged because if Ben wanted Locke to THINK he saw something that wasn't there he wouldn't have been so upset when Locke returned indoors reacting to what he heard. He was clearly upset that Locke heard him. Enough that he attempted to kill him.

As for the ash circle theory Ben seemed agitated that Locke was checking out the ashes.

[MrNovember]

Considering the ash-circle and his apparent rift with Ben, Im choosing to think of 'Jacob' as the anti-smokey, or rather the brother of smokey. Another illusion to the duality of good/evil, light/dark, white/black, etc....With the "incident" being when Jacob became trapped within the circle. Whether it was done by smokey himself, or someone serving him, this gave him full control over the island. More to flesh out, but I like the idea of Jacob being the real "good" force on the island.

[Reality]

wouldn't the kerosene lamp ignite the methane gas if there was a leak inside the shack?

[shollia]

Considering the ash-circle and his apparent rift with Ben, Im choosing to think of 'Jacob' as the anti-smokey, or rather the brother of smokey. Another illusion to the duality of good/evil, light/dark, white/black, etc....With the "incident" being when Jacob became trapped within the circle. Whether it was done by smokey himself, or someone serving him, this gave him full control over the island. More to flesh out, but I like the idea of Jacob being the real "good" force on the island.



OOOO that sounds great....
:thumbs_up

[Midget]

...still, interesting that Ben and Locke's mothers both have the same name!

And they both killed their fathers, or in Locke's case he had his father killed.

[Deadfall]

Don't know if this has been posted, but here's a comparison of a Jacob screencap and a locke screencap...


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v260/Funny_Reaper_Juu/lockeprofile.jpghttp://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=2923&d=1178767588

Well, he certainly has the forehead for it, haha. The nose looks different, but that could be the shadows.

And, dare I say it, the man boobs are quite similar. I'm going off of memory, of course. ...Traumatic memory.

[Jinjur]

That screencap kind of looks like GOD. Does anybody else see it?


I'm amazed you know what GOD looks like please send me some wallet size photos if you get a chance :rolleyez:

I can't believe I didn't notice the flash in the epi!! i am going to have to run up and watch it again to be sure!! Thank God (LOL or maybe Jacob) for DVR...

~Jj:Hippy:

[SpacedinLost]

I know this sounds strange, but....

Doesn't it appear that Jacob is wearing a mask of some sort? Look at the top of his forehead. I see a line up there, just above the white highlight spot and below the hairline. It makes it appear as if he's wearing a mask. Anyone else see this??

http://www.art-rageous.net/LostPic6.jpg

[lostchild]

I don't see that

[CLUCK]

it looks like the way the light its hitting it

[RazzleDazzle]

:eek: Does anyone think from the side view, Jacob looks a little like Mikhail? I thought he and Ben could be bluffing Locke and making him believe there's a real Jacob existing.

Either that or I don't know what to think anymore. I don't wish Jacob to be a ghost?!
Anyway, that scene spooked me lots....:eek:

[Geoffrey Arnold]

I think the hallucination theory might be challanged because if Ben wanted Locke to THINK he saw something that wasn't there he wouldn't have been so upset when Locke returned indoors reacting to what he heard. He was clearly upset that Locke heard him. Enough that he attempted to kill him.

As for the ash circle theory Ben seemed agitated that Locke was checking out the ashes.

No. Ben was hallucinating too (only that his hallucination was slightly different). He believes in Jacob, as the priest at Delphi believed that they were really speaking to the Oracle. That’s why Locke heard “help me” while Ben didn’t. Jacob speaks differently to different people because everything Jacob “says” is really all in your head.

Geoff A.

[LostFools]

Mikhail ? what? no way.... more like Locke with a bad wig

[lostchild]

Jacob=Jacob

If Jacob was Ben then the whole show is focused on Ben
Too much on one character.

[Geoffrey Arnold]

wouldn't the kerosene lamp ignite the methane gas if there was a leak inside the shack?

Methane needs specific conditions to explode.

But maybe it wasn't methane. I've read some articles about the gas at Delphi that suggests that the gas may have been "ethylene". That gas is non flammable, can seep from the ground, and can cause hallucinations. The only real problem is that it has a faint sweet smell, even though it is colorless and invisible.

Check out the Wikipedia article on "ethylene". Here are the effects on humans.

STAGE 3) DISTURBANCE

Percent of O2 Saturation at 64 to 82%
Compensatory mechanisms increasingly become inadequate
Air hunger, gasping for breath
Fatigue, lassitude, inability to maintain balance
Tunnel Vision, out-of-body experiences
Dizziness
Mild to Persistent Headache
Belligerence, certainty of truth
Extreme Euphoria, belief in capacities of the self enhanced
Visual acuity is reduced, dreamlike seeing of visions
Numbness and tingling of extremities
Hyperventilation
Distortions of judgement, abnormal or illogical inferences drawn
Memory loss after event
Increased Cyanosis
Decreased ability for escape from toxic environment
Geoff A.

[Julay]

I think he looks more like a pirate from the Black Rock

[Julay]

more like a wig then

[LostFools]

there's no need to wear a mask if you're invisible to begin with :Cheers:

[eckert]

i know im a little late in the game, but thought id post this shot anyway.
http://www.havocfilms.com/lost/jacoblocke01.jpg

[PsychoFish]

Looked a bit like Roger "Work Man" Linus to me....

[MarkIsARealBoy]

It looks a little bit like the writers are becoming idiots

[JohnLocke108]

Going along with the possibility, I see the line at the top of his forehead where the ligh seems to cut off. Also, if you look at the bridge of his nose, the color changes halfway down it, as though he is wearing something over his eyes.

It's a stretch but it's a possibility... maybe he was wearing a mask because he showed himself but didn't want to "show" his face.

[juanbong]

Merging with another Jacob thread.

Thanks.

[JohnnyMo]

Could Jacob be Alvar Hanso? Just a thought so take it easy!!

[DarthKitty]

^ Actually that has been thrown around and I think it could be very possible. There are some caps in this thread with a pic of Alvar.

[captkirkrules]

Looking at the screen cap - doesn't the outfit look like the same type of clothes that the guy had on when Little Ben meet that guy in the forest.

[eckert]

hostile clothes. the newest trend this season.

[HansWurst]

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m24/trinity10467/jacob.jpg

this is Danny how can un not see that

[eckert]

dang it, it does kind of look like danny. agghhh!!! too many look a likes. maybe they fitted the actor with a prosthetic mask that looked like 20 people on the island?

[LPU]

It's like looking at the clouds. Each time I see this picture it looks like a different actor. Now I'm seeing Dennis Hopper. Ha!

[HansWurst]

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m24/trinity10467/jacob.jpg

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/7396/dannyjpgys3.th.jpg (http://img142.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dannyjpgys3.jpg)

[merry slug]

It's like looking at the clouds. Each time I see this picture it looks like a different actor. Now I'm seeing Dennis Hopper. Ha!

Billy Connolly.

[time is a river]

Check out the Wikipedia article on "ethylene". Here are the effects on humans.

STAGE 3) DISTURBANCE
Belligerence, certainty of truth
Distortions of judgement, abnormal or illogical inferences drawn
Decreased ability for escape from toxic environmentGeoff A.

Sigh. It seems like most of the world is on this drug.

[time is a river]

It's like looking at the clouds. Each time I see this picture it looks like a different actor. Now I'm seeing Dennis Hopper. Ha!

Hula Doll, anyone? Oh the tricks the brain can play.

[HelpImLost]

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/7396/dannyjpgys3.th.jpg (http://img142.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dannyjpgys3.jpg)

I was just thinking that myself. And, didnt he spend the last few episodes with a bandage on his nose?

[rvturnage]

And if Jacob is invisible, how did he make the list that Ben referred to when he was on the operating table?
He told Ben the names, Ben made the list.
What, do you think I made it up?
Jacob = jmberger? What does that "j" stand for anyway mister???
Can't be Magnus...unless the Blast Door Map was misleading when it said "final resting place of Magnus Hanso/Black Rock".

Do we have any clue how close that shack was to the Black Rock and the Final Resting Place of Magnus Hanso? Resting Place = Holding Place. And remember, that map was made by Kazinsky and Inman, with no special knowledge of the island. They made notes based on recon they were performing and trying to figure things out. It's not 100% accurate, as we have seen with the location of the Pearl being the ? on the map.

[vonnegut]

the location of the Pearl being the ? on the map.

I still don't believe that.

[eckert]

me neither.

[see you in the next life]

For those that are disappointed WHAT would you have preferred? Please do tell.


Well, for one, I think 90% of the viewing audience failed to see anything at all.

So, the question becomes this:


Should 90% of the viewing audience have to get on-line and find screen caps to show that there was an image in the damn chair to begin with.

By the way, everyone knows I am no casual viewer here. I re-watch episodes 3 and 4 times routinely....and I can tell you after 1 viewing of last nights episode I didn't see anything in the chair.

Then I get online this morning and here are the screen caps to prove it.



So, I can understand when many, more casual viewers, are complaining they didn't see anything.....meaning they thought is was a cheap Ben parlor trick. And if you thought that was what it was, you'd think it was lame too!

[eckert]

in the world of LOST there should be no such thing as a casual viewer.

[eckert]

yeah, spam, double spam!

[HelpImLost]

I'm going ot go out on a limb and say you own that CP store?

[see you in the next life]

in the world of LOST there should be no such thing as a casual viewer.


so, I wonder what percentage of the viewing audience you think actually saw something in the chair.....I mean, saw the image screencapped above.

[OldSmokey]

I think it looks loke James Caan ,with a CAT on his left shoulder, seriously !
look close .

[sawyerhasbestlines]

I thought it was a Psycho rip off. At least when the guy in Psycho talked to his "invisible" mother, it was much more spooky and original.

[LPU]

I'm no casual viewer and I didn't see Jacob until it was pointed out on the boards and it was still an amazingly great Lost moment for me. A blink and you miss it "appearance" is not a make it or break it for me. He was there the entire time regardless as far as I'm concerned.

[HelpImLost]

Ditto.

I think I thought I may have seen him, but not till I visited here was I sure. Best episode in quite a while I thought.

[juanbong]

I saw the figure in question right after Locke went out the door. I had to stop the DVR and go "Whaaaaa?". Then I had to rewind and rewind and rewatch and rewatch. Jacob is visible for a split second but if you blinked it was gone. Also, after hearing some whisper say, "Help me." That clued me in to something sinister going to occur. (Well, that and spoilers section.) The only way to actually see him on here though is through the screencaps.

I did question what I saw during this time until going back and yelling to my tv, "What the hell is that?"

[chromis]

I saw him immediately, and then had to rewind just to make sure (gotta love DVR!)
I almost forgot I was watching a tv show, and thought I was watching a horror movie (which I'm not a fan of!)
I was on the edge of my seat for this scene, and was creeped out when he flashed there for a second.
I cannot for the life of me figure out who he looks like though. I plan on rewatching season 1 & 2 this summer, so maybe I'll catch it then!

[Liz-trouve-verlorene]

Is there anybody here who has access to deep insider info and get ahold of a cast list for last night's episode? Then we could compare the name with past episodes to see if we've seen Jacob anywhere before in LOST.

[nonameguy]

heres the screenshot, geoff

Simple explanation as to how it can be Locke:


Locke now has a scar above and below his right eye, a very convincing looking scar. Assuming Jacob = Locke from another time period, he could very easily have a very convincingly scarred nose. Don't fool yourselves into thinking the writers would make an obvious image appear if it was indeed Locke, they knew full well how scrutinized the image would become.

----

And to the post above - even with a cast list you will be hard pressed to match a face to Jacob. Surely you understand how many new characters made appearances in this episode, even just as background fodder.

[redwithpurpleflashes]

Hi guys,
I think he's real!!!

Check this out, and show your belief


Ya'll have a good one!
--Ben

You suck x 2

[foxxie]

I'm no casual viewer and I didn't see Jacob until it was pointed out on the boards and it was still an amazingly great Lost moment for me. A blink and you miss it "appearance" is not a make it or break it for me. He was there the entire time regardless as far as I'm concerned.

:yeah: I didn't see it on my first watch either, but it didn't make me any less excited when I saw the screencap.

[Liz-trouve-verlorene]

...of course I meant a cast list with character names coordinating with it. Such a thing is out there, but with LOST it is not easy to find.

[marsichs]

Here is what I think and KNOW

1. I KNOW the voice is Carlton Cuse (at least someone else said told me it was in another thread and he sounded pretty confident!)
2. I THINK the face is the actor who played Danny with a wig
3. I THINK that they will cast Jacob next season.

The same way they shot the "tailies" at the end of Season 1 with different actors than who actually played them in Season 2.

Oh and...
4. I THINK that the reveal of Richard as "ageless" was the big reveal of the show, not the shot of Jacob

[LPU]

Is there anybody here who has access to deep insider info and get ahold of a cast list for last night's episode? Then we could compare the name with past episodes to see if we've seen Jacob anywhere before in LOST.

Spoiler whore here and...

As far as I know he hasn't actually been cast yet. There was a rumor circulating about who he may be, but I believe that was debunked.

Other spoiler people correct me if I'm wrong!

[Liz-trouve-verlorene]

Spoiler whore here and...

As far as I know he hasn't actually been cast yet. There was a rumor circulating about who he may be, but I believe that was debunked.

Other spoiler people correct me if I'm wrong!

Interesting! Then marsichs may be right, that they used the actor who played Danny because he has a typical sort of profile.....cuz I have to reluctantly agree, I think the nose and forehead look a lot like that nasty little Pickett :)

[buckaroobonzai]

I think this is another ben con.
Ben has some how captured this spirit, somehow holding it captive by surrounding it with that sand circle he went out of his way to step over. The silhouette of jacob also looks like Ben's father with overgrown hair. It looked to me like ben just tried to put on a show. the demeanor of jacob (based on what we saw) doesn't match the demeanor in which Ben was talking to him. Locke obviously was not falling for this con so Ben had to shoot him. Maybe ben is trying to stop another version of his father from manifesting on the island ,similar to what (may) have happened with locke's father.. The biggest questions of this episode to me were:
1) If Dharma people are all dead, why does dharma still make drops?
2) How does Ben have so much access to outside information.
3) since the "real" others don't seem to age, How old are some of them and how much history have they seen?
4) Why are they all killers

Seems , as some have speculated, that the "others" have been getting away with posing as dharma until recently.

I think Ben's house of cards is slowly crumbling.

I think that locke will live, he will destroy the sand circle giving jacob the ability to probably talk to him normaly, and Ben will have a new enemy hunting him.

[9mile monster]

My guess on what Jacob is is that he is an extremely old resident of the island. I say this because I noticed Richard barely aged in the episode. Only his eyemake up was much more pronounced (and hair different). Maybe as the island people age, they don't get physically older, they just fade away instead. Rick's eyemake up is used to keep him appearing as if he is not fading away. This might explain the whispers we hear as it could be speach from ancient residents that have faded so much that even their voices are less.

What's that line that?>???? never die they just fade away

[DreaminLost]

Kelvin Inman.



Was Kelvin's last name really Inman? That's weird considering Ben's dad's uniform said Roger Work Man. In Man?

Wonder what that means?

[MagneticLocke]

Was Kelvin's last name really Inman? That's weird considering Ben's dad's uniform said Roger Work Man. In Man?

Wonder what that means?

As in "In" the hatch? That would be my guess. He stays in and pushes the button.

[juanbong]

Was Kelvin's last name really Inman? That's weird considering Ben's dad's uniform said Roger Work Man. In Man?

Wonder what that means?

From Ep 23-24 Live Together, Die Alone..

DESMOND: What are you talking about? Who are you?

INMAN: I'm Inman. Kelvin Inman.

And since we know that Roger's last name wasn't WorkMan, I would assume that it was his last name.

Roger Linus - Roger WorkMan (On work suit)
Ben Linus - Ben WorkMan (On work suit)

[warcat]

Jacob is the Messiah?

[chaz]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2b/Billy_1.jpg/150px-Billy_1.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Billy_1.jpg)

Is Billy Connelly Jacob?

[mystwoman]

Jacob is a poltergeist, a spiritual haunting of Ben by his father's spirit. The telekinetic power of Ben's rage toward his father mixed with the island energy amasses great power to Ben. The appearance of the poltergeist has been seen before, by Jack as his father, etc.

But will the father son dynamic of Jack and Chrsitian play a role?

Is the Jacob spirit a island phenomena or Ben's guilt? is Jacob the "bad twin'? or is Ben?

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/240219/the_truth_about_ben_on_lost.html

[Benry]

I don't have screen shots but if anyone can get them, Jacob looks a lot like Roger "Workman". He even has the crease on his nose. Especially the older Roger, the scene in the van before Ben kills him, he looks a lot like Jacob.

[shadyhippie]

I dont think Kelvin's last name was anything like "work man" he wasn't "in" the hatch, that sounds ridiculous. Besides, he was in Iraq with Kate's father and Sayid. Maybe it means he's "in" Iraq. lol Just a last name.

[Scotty85]

I don't know if this was mentioned elsewhere, but has anyone noticed that Ben grabbed the chair....as if to shake it like a person. There was nobody there though. I would have though that, if there HAD been someone really there, he would have grabbed "air".

[shadyhippie]

I was personally waiting for locke to go "THERE IS NOBODY THERE BEN!" and wave his hand across the chair as to show ben that nobody was there. I kept thinking locke would hit something, but who knows.

[Lawboy]

Jacob is a pissed off dust bunny, just like Smokey. I have never been so mad about the direction of a TV show in my life. When Ben pulled his little act on Locke, I was pissed. I still am.

Hello sci-fi 100%. LOST just officially crossed over from drama to complete fantasy.

[S.W. Erdnase]

http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=2931&d=1178812347

Jacob is none other than the Dude from the Big Lebowski!!

[Lawboy]

I'm guessing it's someone stuck in between dimensions, who wants help becoming corporeal again. Same goes for the Whisperers. I'm guessing he's the strong one that can effect matter on the island. (?)

Hello Voldemort. Great. Totally lame.

[LPU]

There has been a monster made of smoke on this island since day 1. Of course it's sci-fi/fantasy. Can't that still be dramatic too?

[bigdaddyt98]

I was never one to believe that smokey and Jacob were one in the same, but I am begining to think maybe they are.

I think the reason John could`nt see Jacob at first was because Jacob could`nt figure out how to appear to John. He could`nt figure out what form to take. Whenever smokey appeared to someone it was usually in the form of someone they knew. Maybe smokey had nothing to appear as for John.
Having said that I`m wondering if we will see Jacob in a Locke flashback, and that will be the form that he will appear to John as.

I`m probably way off but that`s what occurred to me.

[HelpImLost]

Nah. The smoke picked Eco up, smashed him to the ground. Sounds of chains, trees popping out of the ground, forcefield barriers.

Ghost: Pushed Ben. Needs help from Locke.

They're not the same thing.

[Pacman 23]

The thing is.. We didn't hear any "Smokey" noises during the outburst did we?

[S.W. Erdnase]

The whole place shook and it sounded like there was something outside the cabin. but there were no mechanical sounding smokey noises.

Plus what with the dust that Locke looked at, was it somesort of border or voodoo magic?

[marsichs]

The more I play with the pictures the more I see Danny - Michael Bowen is filling in until the role is cast


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[Lawboy]

There has been a monster made of smoke on this island since day 1. Of course it's sci-fi/fantasy. Can't that still be dramatic too?

Sure it can. I am just mad that in order to actually see Jacob, people had to actually search for a slow motion screen cap to catch an image. So Jacob is real. Great. I feel better now. But TPTB have really pushed us around as viewers and tried our patience so many times that I thought they would be more up front here. Obivously, there is yet another secret here to uncover. I shouldn't be shocked, but I must admit that my patience is fraying.

By the way, when will Ben die now?

[S.W. Erdnase]

I got it!

with the hiring of so many new actors this season for shortlasting characters, the show has gone over budget and cant afford any new actors.

Solution create an invisible character!

[Pixel]

Jacob is from the Black Rock ship. Part of the crew, possibly the captain. He is the oldest inhibitant of the island.

[LPU]

Sure it can. I am just mad that in order to actually see Jacob, people had to actually search for a slow motion screen cap to catch an image. So Jacob is real. Great. I feel better now. But TPTB have really pushed us around as viewers and tried our patience so many times that I thought they would be more up front here. Obivously, there is yet another secret here to uncover. I shouldn't be shocked, but I must admit that my patience is fraying.

By the way, when will Ben die now?

Not seeing Jacob was seeing Jacob. To me, that was the reveal. Not some milisecond of a screencap. Not some picture that could just be the best grip for all we know. The screengrab was nifty. YAY! A lil Easter Egg for us. But the real reveal was that empty chair, that shaking, those flying jars of whatever, and the voice that said "Help me." That was the money shot. Not some nearly subliminal picture. The inferrence of a presence was more than enough, IMO.

[CelticCross]

I think the “Ancient city of Delphi/hallucination from volcano gas leak” theory is a much more satisfying explanation than “magical spirits theory”.



imho


Geoff A.

I agree, because everything can be explained in a suedo scientific manor according to our writters.

[scotpgot]

I really didn't like the Jacob reveal last night, IMO. The whole ghost captain of a ghost ship that's trapped in between dimensions seems a little too "Pirates of the Caribbean" for me.

I think it's probably Alvar or Magnus.

Hope Locke doesn't die
especially with the rumors about Ben dying in the Finale
We'll never find out the answers to the island.

[Scotty85]

What about Ben shaking the chair?

[Lawboy]

Not seeing Jacob was seeing Jacob. To me, that was the reveal. Not some milisecond of a screencap. Not some picture that could just be the best grip for all we know. The screengrab was nifty. YAY! A lil Easter Egg for us. But the real reveal was that empty chair, that shaking, those flying jars of whatever, and the voice that said "Help me." That was the money shot. Not some nearly subliminal picture.

OK, but now we have Smokey, that is still not defined, and Jacob, who is not remotely close to being explained. Without the shaking, I still would have played it off as a Ben con job, even with the "help me". Because he is not just a liar, but so clearly a murderer, too. A survivalist who does what is needed to stay alive. Which, again, is why I do not understand Jacob. Why Ben? Why commune only with such an evil figure? And why can Ben, who is now so clearly evil, be the only one to see him and his power, and yet not be scared of him at all. Ben acted nonplussed by what went on. Honestly, I must be dense, but that didn;t add up for me.

[cuba]

I had a crazy idea about the sand Locke found. I thought it could be the particles that make up smokey. I also thought there was some of it on the chair that Jacob was supposedly sitting on.

[popcultureADD]

Wow. "The Man Behind The Curtain" was awesome!

Talk about a renaissance for the show... the last several episodes have been as good as the series has ever been.

Pop Culture A.D.D. just posted a pretty funny article on just who Jacob might be! Check it out here: http://popcultureadd.blogspot.com/

More importantly, who do YOU think Jacob is?

I'm not guessing we will find out this season, but it seems to me it must be somebody pre-Dharma... maybe the Captain of the Black Rock?

[Kylie]

Not seeing Jacob was seeing Jacob. To me, that was the reveal. Not some milisecond of a screencap. Not some picture that could just be the best grip for all we know. The screengrab was nifty. YAY! A lil Easter Egg for us. But the real reveal was that empty chair, that shaking, those flying jars of whatever, and the voice that said "Help me." That was the money shot. Not some nearly subliminal picture. The inferrence of a presence was more than enough, IMO.

Are you seriously suggesting that it was a grip or are you just being overly hyperbolic? The shot of Jacob was hardly a subliminal picture. I saw it, and what I believe to be the close up of his eyes, during the airing.

Yes, the reveal was his speaking to Locke and the ensuing chaos in the house - but the shot of Jacob was intentional, almost as if Locke caught him out of the corner of one eye. A money shot? No. But it's was the total of the entire scene that created the impact.

[bella]

Pardon if this has been discussed...it's a very long thread and hard to get through entirely when at work, but I really think that Jacob image was Goodspeed (?) who brought Roger/Ben to the island. Maybe Ben's guilty conscience havid since that guy was just trying to be nice and Ben had him whacked. My guess is Locke saw the havid too, because in Ben's mind Jacob's so real, he almost presented entirely. Or it's Goodspeed caught between two realities and Ben knows this and is keeping him prisoner so he won't tell the dead (or living) that Ben killed all the Dharma, his Dad, et al.