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Okay, correct me if I'm wrong but is this or isn't this Vincent with Roger's hand? What the hell? Very interesting if nothing else.
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h300/LockePush-Ups/painting.jpg
Farmer Ted
05-10-07, 04:58 AM
It's a crazy dog-man. That's all I can figure. If next season isn't the season of the mud-men, I hope like hell it's the season of the crazy dog-men.
shadyhippie
05-10-07, 04:58 AM
Hmm maybe. At first glance I thought it was a polar bear, but now that i look at it, it's very dog-like.
It's Vincent, the wonder-dog. :D
shollia
05-10-07, 05:00 AM
Looks like a yorkshire terrior head on a larger dogs body.
The lower part doesn't look human to me. Looks more like a dog resting on the floor, with it's front paws one crossed over the other.
Okay, correct me if I'm wrong but is this or isn't this Vincent with Roger's hand? What the hell? Very interesting if nothing else.
That's it! I thought it was a shaggy dog (literal), but wasn't sure what was up with the hand. Now that you say it, it does look like Vincent and Roger's hand.
So now the bigger question - who drew it and why or how?
ok its a painting of a dog (not vincent) but whats your point ??????
It definately looks like a yellow Lab to me!
I have no point other than it's a painting of a Yellow Lab with a human hand laying in front of him. Being that we've seen that before I think that it's point enough for now.
shollia
05-10-07, 05:05 AM
I don't see where you're seeing a yellow lab?
The head defintiely looks like a yorkie.
Jacob = Bob Ross
http://www.tranism.com/weblog/images/bobross.jpg
I don't see any happy little trees in that painting.
And it's definitely a Lab. I have a Lab, looks just like one to me.
shollia
05-10-07, 05:07 AM
Sooo.. Ben is holding Bob's ghost prisoner so he can be taught the secret to the happy little trees?
Farmer Ted
05-10-07, 05:09 AM
And it's definitely a Lab. I have a Lab, looks just like one to me.
Does your Lab have man-hands, too?
shollia
05-10-07, 05:10 AM
I dunno.. I just don't see a lab.
I still see a york no matter how much I stare at it lol
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v37/Shollia/york.jpg
.. I also don't see a human hand. I see paws.
I dunno.. I just don't see a lab.
I still see a york no matter how much I stare at it lol
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v37/Shollia/york.jpg
.. I also don't see a human hand. I see paws.
That's one big Yorkie then....
shollia
05-10-07, 05:13 AM
Oh I didn't say it all looked like a yorkie.. just the head :P heh
It looks like a yorkie head on a big dog's body
Here ya go. The dark eye sockets and muzzle. I can't for the life of me see a Yorkie!
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h300/LockePush-Ups/yellowlab20coasters.jpg
shollia
05-10-07, 05:18 AM
Well there is another thread that has a link to a better screenshot of the painting. It's still not a lab, and doesn't look like a yorkie anymore lol.
LightSide/DarkSide
05-10-07, 05:29 AM
Looks like a blood hound to me.
Heads up to the mods. There's another thread on the same thing in What I Think, so obv. feel free to merge this one!
DaGringo
05-10-07, 05:52 AM
I think its a painting of a man with an animal skin hood (yes maybe a dog skin). Maybe a painting of one of the hostiles?
I think its a painting of a man with an animal skin hood (yes maybe a dog skin). Maybe a painting of one of the hostiles?
:yeah: :clap:
DaGringo
05-10-07, 05:53 AM
Magnified the image... Could also be a Polar bear on top of a victim... Hard to tell.
I hate to go all Occam's Razor on everyone, especially with this show, but it seems like everyone agrees that it is some kind of dog and what appears to be a human hand/arm. Simplest explanation (although certainly there is the possibility that it is something else) is that it is Vincent with Roger's arm.
shollia
05-10-07, 05:58 AM
Not everyone! lol.. I still don't see the human arm and it defintiely still does not look anything like a lab (Vincent) to me.
I just see a very funky hairy looking dog.
DaGringo
05-10-07, 06:03 AM
I hate to go all Occam's Razor on everyone, especially with this show, but it seems like everyone agrees that it is some kind of dog and what appears to be a human hand/arm. Simplest explanation (although certainly there is the possibility that it is something else) is that it is Vincent with Roger's arm.
I am so sick of people with NO science training citing the razor. It is NOT fact that the simplest answer is usually the right one, most scientists DO NOT agree with the razor. And you're not even right that that would be the simplest answer, cause why would anybody want to paint vincent with a damn arm?
Dude chill out. You don't know me or anything about my background or "training."
*Saint*
05-10-07, 06:06 AM
The jowls on the dog are too long to be Vincent, but it's definitely a dog. But it looks like it has a rather large paw instead of a human hand...
Just weird. So weird!
I don't see an arm. I see a yellow lab and that's it. I'm amazed at all the different things people are seeing here.. :hmm:
shollia
05-10-07, 06:07 AM
The jowls on the dog are too long to be Vincent, but it's definitely a dog. But it looks like it has a rather large paw instead of a human hand...
Just weird. So weird!
Thank you! I thought I was the only one that wasn't seeing a human hand.
All I see are paws.
*Saint*
05-10-07, 06:08 AM
Thank you! I thought I was the only one that wasn't seeing a human hand.
All I see are paws.
Large paws, though. It doesn't look like it fits the dog!
Squiggy
05-10-07, 06:13 AM
Looks like a ghostly dog with a hand-like paw.
Here ya go. I highlighted a couple of areas. The face is where the jawline should be. What people are seeing as "jowels" is actually his neck. Labs necks are kinda fleshy in that area and tend to be quite indented in the middle. The second area I highlighted is what I make out to be the arm. You can more clearly make out what appears to me to be a thumb and several other fingers.
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h300/LockePush-Ups/painting2.jpg
*Saint*
05-10-07, 06:18 AM
Here ya go. I highlighted a couple of areas. The face is where the jawline should be. What people are seeing as "jowels" is actually his neck. Labs necks are kinda fleshy in that area and tend to be quite indented in the middle. The second area I highlighted is what I make out to be the arm. You can more clearly make out what appears to me to be a thumb and several other fingers.
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h300/LockePush-Ups/painting2.jpg
Thanks for the screen cap LPU!
...though, this still has me confused.
shollia
05-10-07, 06:23 AM
Larger pic with how I'm seeing a paw and not a hand.
The area that looks like it could be a thumb only looks like hair on the back of a dog's leg to me
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v37/Shollia/1_09_05_07_10_49_56.jpg
*Saint*
05-10-07, 06:24 AM
^^^ Okay, now it looks like a paw again to me! Those look like claws not fingers!
LightSide/DarkSide
05-10-07, 06:26 AM
Yeah, that's what I'm seeing as well shollia. Still looks like a blood hound to me.
*Saint*
05-10-07, 06:27 AM
It's laying down!!!! That's why the paw is crossed in front!!! We are making a huge deal about a painting of a dog!!!
shollia
05-10-07, 06:28 AM
Lol... we gotta make a huge deal about something dangit! hehe
RunLoganRun
05-10-07, 06:28 AM
Are we sure that the "arm" isn't just a log in the woods ? Thanks for the screencap - I couldn't see a darn thing once they entered the shack. ABC likely didn't realize how dark those scenes were - I never saw Jacob or the painting or anything really... sort of ruins the story when you can't see what TPTB are presenting to us.
We always make a big deal out of nothing! That's what we do here! Anywho, I'll readily admit defeat (or depaw) if I'm wrong. For funsies I'm gonna ask Nations over at the Lage.
Sic Semper Tyranus
05-10-07, 06:33 AM
I see a hound with a stone on the ground in front of it. That's just moss or sumat on the side of it giving its a slight "fingery" look to it.
*Saint*
05-10-07, 06:34 AM
I'm telling you it's a bloodhound laying down with it's paw crossed in front.
I'm telling you it's a bloodhound laying down with it's paw crossed in front.
After seeing the bigger picture it certainly could be. On a sidenote did anyone check Jacob's shack for the Hula Doll?
*Saint*
05-10-07, 06:40 AM
After seeing the bigger picture it certainly could be. On a sidenote did anyone check Jacob's shack for the Hula Doll?
We still haven't found that damn hula doll?!?!? LOL!!! :D
Deadfall
05-10-07, 06:41 AM
Personally, I'm waiting for the day when we see the inside of Vincent's island dog house and there's a painting of a big white dude that looks like Locke but with curly hair. ...I'm guessing that's Season 4, though.
*Saint*
05-10-07, 06:42 AM
Personally, I'm waiting for the day when we see the inside of Vincent's island dog house and there's a painting of a big white dude that looks like Locke but with curly hair. ...I'm guessing that's Season 4, though.
:D
shollia
05-10-07, 06:45 AM
Personally, I'm waiting for the day when we see the inside of Vincent's island dog house and there's a painting of a big white dude that looks like Locke but with curly hair. ...I'm guessing that's Season 4, though.
rofl
LightSide/DarkSide
05-10-07, 06:47 AM
lmao Vincent is probably the only one who knows what is going on.
*Saint*
05-10-07, 06:48 AM
I'm telling you, the series finale it will all turn out this is all in Vincent's imagination.
shootingstar05
05-10-07, 07:11 AM
When I first saw it, I thought it was of a Pekinese on a large body.
Now, looking at the screencap, I think it looks more like a mastiff or a great dane.
Whatever it is, it's creepy! :ghost2:
made me think of the dogs playing poker...although I knew that was not it...but now that it's mentioned i suppose it does look a bit like vincent
*dun dun dun*
and the plot thickins!
RangerMel
05-10-07, 09:47 AM
I think what you guys are saying is...that all dogs look alike. I think Vincent would be very offended by that.
fenshysa
05-10-07, 10:37 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v37/Shollia/1_09_05_07_10_49_56.jpg
Irish Wolfhound
http://galatea.blogia.com/upload/20051115130828-irish-wolfhound.jpg
Painting of an Irish Wolfhound
http://www.petportraits.org/irish_wolfhounds/irish_wolfhound_ohc_earl_400h.jpg
Susan0214
05-10-07, 02:04 PM
Thanks you for posting the photo of the Irish Wolfhound! I was screaming "It's a flippin' Irish Wolfhound - you crazies" while reading through the pages of this post!
Truly sorry for the insult, though, I get a little crazy too over this show.
sterioss
05-10-07, 02:18 PM
Larger pic with how I'm seeing a paw and not a hand.
The area that looks like it could be a thumb only looks like hair on the back of a dog's leg to me
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v37/Shollia/1_09_05_07_10_49_56.jpg
Looks more like an old lab or a saint bernard. Definately a dog laying down with its face turned toward the viewer.
http://puppydogweb.com/gallery/photogallery/photo00006768/saint_clay.jpg
HelpImLost
05-10-07, 02:32 PM
Looks like his ears are pointed though. Almost cropped like a pitbull's would be, although it's obviously not.
merry slug
05-10-07, 02:34 PM
It's a polar bear with a rock in front of it.
ETA: Oops, no it's not - just saw a better screencap :o
chromis
05-10-07, 02:40 PM
I don't think it's an arm or anyhing like that. I think it is more likely a rock that the dog is standing up on. And the dog looks like a bloodhound or something along those lines with the droopy eyes.
sterioss
05-10-07, 02:40 PM
Well, I think all we can say for certain is that it appears to be a very old painting of a Dog. Now the real question is why would TPTB go out of their way to show us that this painting of a dog is in Jacobs house.
Susan0214
05-10-07, 02:57 PM
how can anyone think it's anything but an Irish Wolfhound after looking at the photo that Fenshysa posted. It's so obvious. It's one of those old english style oil portraits of an Irish Wolfhound. Anything else seen in that painting must be the result of overactive imaginations...
HelpImLost
05-10-07, 03:16 PM
http://z.about.com/d/boston/1/7/B/1/-/-/IMG_4628.JPG
http://www.animalden.net/cj/4269.jpg
MagneticLocke
05-10-07, 03:18 PM
Nevermind, just saw the better pic.
darkleynoon
05-10-07, 03:49 PM
looks like a bearded collie to me
http://www.cz-pes.cz/atlas/bearded-collie/chelseynova.jpg
dumapus
05-10-07, 03:50 PM
Its Scooby Doo and Ben would have gotten away with it if it wasn't for you darn kids.
At first I thought it was a polar bear, but now that I see these screen caps, it sure does look like a golden lab. I don't believe it's Vincent though. Speaking of Vincent, where the heck is he lately?
ScrappleKing
05-10-07, 04:11 PM
I'm telling you, the series finale it will all turn out this is all in Vincent's imagination.
his imagination...or a dream! you're on the right track here. I can see the final shot...it's Vincent, lying on a carpet....eye's closed, tail wagging, legs moving like he's dreaming of running.
hi everyone, first post from me here.
I don't think anything that happened at Jacob's place was real. I noticed that when Ben leaves the place after the whole incident they make a point of showing him hanging up the lantern again, which is totally undamaged. however we clearly see it fall and break inside the place. so maybe everything that happened in there was just an illusion.
what do you think?
cheers
even locke seems surprised by the sudden disappearance:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fMF339L0so
the window blows in:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ys4qXw3Yqjs
what do you think????
does it look like something comes in the window?
Mcrobrewer
05-10-07, 05:53 PM
IMHO This whole show is an illusion...
None of this is real.
SeeUinAnotherLife
05-10-07, 05:54 PM
does it look like something comes in the window?
yes it does.... was that the only window that broke?
RicoSlim
05-10-07, 05:55 PM
it kinda looks like maybe smokey came through the window, is that smoke coming in????
huh. I hadn't thought about that. It did fall on the floor, there was a small fire, yet...he walked out with a lantern and there was no light from the fire coming from the cabin...again, huh.
indeed, and the glass of the lantern he put up once he walked outside was totally intact
i dont know, it looks like maybe its a tree branch.
Susan0214
05-10-07, 05:58 PM
couldn't it have been the lantern minus the broken glass. The rest was made out of metal and wouldn't have broken from falling on the floor. If someone has a screencap, maybe we could see if it doesn't have any glass inserted in it. By the way, it's way too subtle a hint toward all the ruckus being an illusion.
It seems that Lost keeps directly feeding us the info. and we keep thinking it's something mysterious instead of taking it at face value. Although TPTB like to feed us Easter Eggs, they still have to make a coherent story.
ccmerlot
05-10-07, 05:59 PM
..is the window breaking just before we see 'jacob'?
Doc Manhattan
05-10-07, 06:01 PM
That whole scene had an "Evil Dead" feel to it.
but they made a big point of showing us the lantern before they entered and then showing henry putting it up again. and we know that when they do that it always means something.....
HoboJoe2
05-10-07, 06:05 PM
The whole thing was a hallucination, which brings up the question of who hallucinates and why. What causes the hallucinations and is it exclusive to that cabin? They showed the jars for a reason. They showed that ash trail, which Locke smelled and Ben didn't by the way, for a reason.
ooh, good call. i hadnt even thought of that. maybe sam raimi will direct the jacob flashback episode if theres ever one.
maybe it's ben's version of locke's sweat tent
HelpImLost
05-10-07, 06:13 PM
If the whole thing was an illusion, why would Ben shoot Locke, and threaten to shoot him again unless he told him what Jacob said?
so what would that mean if the fire disappeared? is this a sign of time travel or jacobs ability to be invisible?
HoboJoe2
05-10-07, 06:29 PM
If the whole thing was an illusion, why would Ben shoot Locke, and threaten to shoot him again unless he told him what Jacob said?
Well, Ben might have shot Locke because this was his last chance to intimidate Locke and gain some control over him. Locke still didn't buy it, so Ben got fed up and shot him because he knew Locke was gaining respect and was going to take over his leadership. The other option is that Ben is nuts and/or hallucinates himself in the cabin, which means that he thinks Jacob is real. Two people hallucinating won't see the same things obviously, which explains Ben hearing things that Locke didn't hear and Locke hearing things that Ben didn't hear.
If the whole thing was an illusion, why would Ben shoot Locke, and threaten to shoot him again unless he told him what Jacob said?
well, we can still only speculate about ben's real intentions and we know that most of what he says is a lie. so I was just concentrating on that scene for now. if you look at it again you will notice how much emphasis they put on showing the lantern being lit, then falling to the floor and breaking and then being put up again totally intact. just very strange and maybe a little hint....
normal42
05-10-07, 06:38 PM
Good catch Bunf,
Here is the best shot I could get of Ben hanging the lamp. I have touched it up quite a bit and I am pretty sure the glass is intact.
http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u150/normally42/MBTC07croppedBrightened.jpg
My guess is a production error but with this show you never can tell.
mrfrankie
05-10-07, 06:40 PM
If the whole thing was an illusion, why would Ben shoot Locke, and threaten to shoot him again unless he told him what Jacob said?
I totally thought it was all fake until Ben freaked out over what Locke heard. I would like to know why Ben spoke down to Jacob when it seems he should be showing him deference.
Good catch Bunf,
Here is the best shot I could get of Ben hanging the lamp. I have touched it up quite a bit and I am pretty sure the glass is intact.
http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u150/normally42/MBTC07croppedBrightened.jpg
My guess is a production error but with this show you never can tell.
thanks for that shot! see, just watched it again and it's basically four seconds from when we last see the the fire from the floor to ben coming out with the lantern. you would think it would be quite hot if it just came from lying in the middle of flames.
I think they put too much emphasis on him hanging it up again for it to be a production error....
god, I really am getting quite obsessed with that scene ;-)
another odd thing: when we see ben talking to jacob from the side it seems like he's looking at jacob sitting in the chair. however there is one shot from behind the chair up at ben where it seems he's talking to someone standing up. maybe we can get a shot of that as well......
EDIT: ok, there's to shots from behind the chair. in the first one he's looking down on the chair as if someone is sitting in there at the line "I told you he wouldn't" and then the second shot from behind the chair right after "he's sitting right here, in this chair" and ben looks in another direction than before, not at the chair, at the line "yes I know, but he insisted"
pkflyers31
05-10-07, 07:02 PM
Also you will notice that there is a weird sort of "skip" in the scene, the lantern falls, locke is staring at the fire, and then all of a sudden there is a weird sort of break in continuity and the fire is completely gone
Hodgepodge
05-10-07, 07:14 PM
I'm merging a couple of threads and titling it for a discussion of things in Jacob's shack.
djsunyc
05-10-07, 07:22 PM
regardless of what kind of dog it is, it does seem to indicate that the dog was possibly jacob's pet. and now that vincent landed on the island, jacob has a pet again and is using vincent to do some of his bidding - like bringing the arm to hurley, etc.
Hodgepodge
05-10-07, 07:35 PM
Merging with the thread discussing things in Jacob's shack.
sterioss
05-10-07, 07:36 PM
i dont know, it looks like maybe its a tree branch.
looks like a tree branch came crashing in to me.
FrodoFraggins
05-10-07, 07:45 PM
Looks more like an old lab or a saint bernard. Definately a dog laying down with its face turned toward the viewer.
http://puppydogweb.com/gallery/photogallery/photo00006768/saint_clay.jpg
Bingo. I think it most resembles a saint bernard as well. At least in the jowls and eyes.
The only reason Rose and Bernard were introduced was to foreshadow the Saint BERNARD in the painting! ;)
I thought Mastiff first and foremost.
Meh after another close look it looks like a bloodhound laying down, one of his paws is coming across in front...wait, why do we care so much?!?? ;)
Not sure if this was mentioned, but the chains hanging from the ceiling look like something out of the slave trade. One more connection to the Black Rock, perhaps?
yeah jacob has control of the trees.
NumberStation
05-10-07, 09:59 PM
That dog doesn't look anything like Vincent and it's too big to be a Yorkie. If I had to guess I'd say it's some kind of long-haired hound, like an otterhound or an Irish Wolfhound or something. Anyway, it's big and long-haired.
*Saint*
05-10-07, 10:01 PM
I originally thought the jars were jars of blood...but I really hope not.
Ida Monster
05-10-07, 10:08 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v37/Shollia/1_09_05_07_10_49_56.jpg
Irish Wolfhound
Maybe it's Director Jack Bender's dog Lulu?
http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/1751/fpi702250331arbny5.jpg
thoughtform
05-10-07, 11:13 PM
Looks more like a mastiff to me. Wolfhounds don't have jowls hanging like that.
To me:
Dog painting=red herring.
Mason jars could be as well but they are more intriguing.
'They contain the entrails of Jacob's mortal coil'
J/K. I have no idea what they could be.
My guess is that this is going to be another hula doll thread, BUT wasn't there a dog in a screencap from Othersville somewhere? What kind of dog was that? I can't remember the episode whether it was supposed to be recent or a flashback.
The artist formerly known
05-11-07, 12:29 AM
I originally thought the jars were jars of blood...but I really hope not.
A Saint I was thinking the exact same thing..I think that was blood. Maybe he is a vampire. Don't vampires turn into black smoke?
*Saint*
05-11-07, 12:31 AM
A Saint I was thinking the exact same thing..I think that was blood. Maybe he is a vampire. Don't vampires turn into black smoke?
Not sure, but in the Buffy The Vampire Series they turned to ash with any sort of daylight...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v37/Shollia/1_09_05_07_10_49_56.jpg
What ever it turns out to be, it defiantly has Tom's jowls.
JLCommish
05-11-07, 02:02 AM
So for you "Heroes" fans out there we have a potential painting of the scene in which Vincent finds Roger's arm, most likely before it happened so...
Isaac's on the island? Maybe Ben should've opened the door and called out "Mr. I-zak. Mr. I-zak." :)
Or perhaps it's Linderman's summer home, nice shack on the island maybe? Ocean view, surrounded by volcanic ash...
Ok, I'm done, going away now...
*Saint*
05-11-07, 02:13 AM
It's a dog lying down with it's paw out in front.
vincent is behind it all
05-11-07, 05:19 AM
I think it is Chewbacca
NumberStation
05-11-07, 05:29 AM
Looks more like a mastiff to me. Wolfhounds don't have jowls hanging like that.
Those aren't jowls: that's hair not skin.
The more I look at it, the more it looks like a Irish Wolfhound to me. I'm pretty sure the "arm" is really just one of their massive paws.
http://www.petnet.com.au/dogs/doggif/D146.jpg
*Saint*
05-11-07, 05:57 AM
The more I look at it, the more it looks like a Irish Wolfhound to me. I'm pretty sure the "arm" is really just one of their massive paws.
http://www.petnet.com.au/dogs/doggif/D146.jpg
It's a large dog with large paws! I've been saying it for the longest time!
rivrrat
05-11-07, 03:55 PM
Lurked quite a bit, but haven't posted yet since 99.9% of the time others have already brought up my questions and answers, etc.
But this time I don't see much, if any, discussion going on regarding something that stood out to me in the last episode. I've seen it mentioned briefly, but hasn't been given near the attention I feel it should. If I've missed it somewhere (as there are a lot of posts), I apologize.
What about the oil lamp that fell over and broke, and caught on fire during the scene with Jacob? The same oil lamp that Ben casually set back down when he walked out of the cabin?
This situation has two possibilities:
1) What happened in the cabin didn't *really* happen. Which means... what? Was it ALL a hallucination, dream, etc? Or just parts of it? How was it created, and why? How would both hallucinate the same thing? Or did they? Something was thrown through the window in the cabin too, but I couldn't tell during a rewatch of the scene if that window was still broken when Ben came out. Anyone else able to tell?
2) The directors screwed up with continuity. I have a hard time believing this possibility (though it's certainly viable), since the lamp and fire were very obvious and "in our face", and Ben very deliberately put the (unbroken) lamp back in place. I picked up on it immediately, so I don't know why an editor would have missed it.
HelpImLost
05-11-07, 03:59 PM
Yeah, this post has been said before. Funny thing is, it's alomst structured the same, with two possibilites, just like yours.
I think the common thought at this point is that the fire just went out, the lamp was put back unbroken by error. But, that's just what I gathered.
juanbong
05-11-07, 04:05 PM
Merging with thread dealing with things found within the cabin.
Thanks.
MoreDesmondPlease
05-11-07, 04:37 PM
Jacob = Bob Ross
http://www.tranism.com/weblog/images/bobross.jpg
O.M.G.
That is the funniest thing I have read all day!
marsichs
05-11-07, 04:50 PM
Also - the picture of Jacob was weirdly placed. He did not seem to be sitting in the chair - I didn't see the chair at all, really!
He seemed to be standing lower than the floor, like his waist was at floor level.
Maybe he is a midget ghost! (Casper?)
I think he is Magnus Degroot
HelpImLost
05-11-07, 05:32 PM
Ok, so Ben wants him to think he’s no fan of technology so he doesn’t want him to use the flashlight. So, next we see the pic of the dog. Immediately we’re thinking “Ok, so what’s important about the dog?” Nothing! The important thing is that there’s a small light over the painting illuminating it. If Jacob hates flashlights, why in the heck does he have a tiny spotlight over the dog’s painting?
I cant get a good enough look at what it it, but if you lighten the dog pic, it looks like there’s something hanging over the painting.
Darkshines
05-11-07, 09:01 PM
You know, the more I look at that picture, the less I see a dog, and the more I see three hooded figures.....If you look at the dark patches, the faces, you can see a pair of glowing eyes in each one......
RicoSlim
05-11-07, 09:03 PM
i think the reason Ben said that he hated technology was bc he knew Ben could gain some sort of power or strength from it, maybe Jacobs power feeds off of high amounts of energy or light, i think Jacob is being held prisoner around the ring of ash by Ben, why else would Jacob say "Help Me",
Darkshines
05-11-07, 09:18 PM
http://losteastereggs.blogspot.com/
Its on that page bout two thirds down, can't post the pic for some reason, it comes up broken.....
Larger pic with how I'm seeing a paw and not a hand.
The area that looks like it could be a thumb only looks like hair on the back of a dog's leg to me
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v37/Shollia/1_09_05_07_10_49_56.jpg
Its either a St Bernard:
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c53/simo325/LostStBernard.jpg
or a type of Hound:
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c53/simo325/LostHoundDog.jpg
kiwipat
05-11-07, 09:57 PM
The Mutt is a female Airedale-terrier mix...in fact its a picture of Jack Bender's dog Lulu see The mystery mutt Revealed (http://blog.lostpedia.com/2007/05/mystery-mutt-revealed.html).
According to the link the same dog is running around alive at the barracks - at least in a promo still.
So the real mystery is not what breed, but why is there a pic of it in Jacob's house?
Got a reply from GN over at the lage. A standard variation of him being evasive. So at least it means something, whatever it is. Either that or it's just such an awesomely silly question to begin with!
ZigbertToshicus
05-11-07, 10:49 PM
Love this thread. Never seen so much hand-wringing and consternation over the characteristics of a dog before ... at least outside of the American Kennel Club.
Anyway, I'm voting for it's Vincent. Why would it be any other dog? It looks like Vincent to me, in the largest screen cap, which also casts doubt on the idea that it's Roger's arm below him.
If it WAS Vincent with Roger's arm, then I think we are looking at a Lady Of Shalot type of thing, or Jacob as a Fate weaving (painting, in this case) the events that will happen in the Island-world. But it looks to me more like it is just the dog's paw.
Anyway, even if it is just Vincent and his own paw, this hints at some kind of connection between Jacob and Vincent. I think it is significant and a good find.
Shortcake
05-12-07, 12:11 AM
Back to the issue of the lamp and the fire... (this is why hate when threads are merged- the dog painting and the lamp are two very seperate subjects)
I really don't think the lamp situation could possibly be a production error- the focus of the camera on the lantern before during and after the shack of mystery really directs a careful watcher to see a bigger point here.
I am reminded of an episode of the Simpsons, where everyone goes to this theme park and stands in this specific spot and has "a vision". It turns out they are merely halucinating due to a gas leak in that very spot. I think the same thing is going on in the shack.
Before the epi aired I pontificated that Jacob was merely a manifestation of a multiple personality disorder in Ben- I stand by that belief- and I think Ben takes Locke to the gas leak shack in order to make Locke suggestable to the idea of Jacob as a real entity.
Or maybe I have a gas leak in my shack too.
Could be, but if it is some sort of real thing, manifestation of a person or whatever, and he's capable of throwing around bottles, throwing people against walls, rousing up the wind and breaking windows, then don't ya think it may just be capable of putting out that fire too?
Someone, I cant remember who but they are a regular here, said it was a 4toed sloth and I said in response it was like the one on DJ Dans site. After they put it in my mind I am pretty sure it is, I've seen pics where they do look like that. I at first, before I read that post, thought it was some weird polar bear/man thing- but they just cant go Island of Lost Souls on us too.
Shortcake
05-12-07, 02:21 AM
Could be, but if it is some sort of real thing, manifestation of a person or whatever, and he's capable of throwing around bottles, throwing people against walls, rousing up the wind and breaking windows, then don't ya think it may just be capable of putting out that fire too?
Sure- if it is a real manisfestation it would be capable of putting out a fire... but of restoring a broken lantern to perfect form... not as much. Unless Jacob also "heals" inatimate objects.
dbankier
05-12-07, 02:54 AM
EDIT: Already stated by another poster, the painting is Jack Bender's dog Lulu.
Okrasharon
05-12-07, 03:28 AM
maybe the dog pic is of a much older vincent.
Maybe it's Director Jack Bender's dog Lulu?
http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/1751/fpi702250331arbny5.jpg
Yikes, correct me if I'm wrong, but Jack Bender looks like Jacob (nose, chin, stubble, curly hair). :eek:
That would be just too funny.
As for the fire, I counted 6 seconds between when Locke left the little house and when Ben came out. The only way he could put out a fire that quickly was if there was something in the shadows to put it out with, like a bucket of water.
My theory is that Jacob was Ben's little magic trick for keeping his power. Anyone gets out of line, they go see Jacob and Ben shoots them on the way back and tells the rest that Jacob struck the person dead. And that worked great until Locke heard a voice and Ben didn't.
-- volney
I think Bender looks more like Gerald Degroot than Jacob, who looked pretty emaciatedHowardHughes-ish to me.
sweetsunray
05-13-07, 11:03 PM
Regarding the lamp: Don't think it was a production error at all... I too thought too much emphasis was laid upon Ben hanging it back in place outside, as if I was to note something... until I realized it was back in perfect shape.
Dog painting: no lab or golden retriever... but a large hound somesorts, and Lulu might have been the model. No hand or arm, but large paw.
I don't begin to think that the lamp was a magic trick by Ben. I don't begin to think that he broke the windows from the outside. I don't begin to think that Ben grabbed the chair because he was acting. But that's just me. I believe in Jacob so pfft.
I just slo-mo'ed through the cabin sequence for the 88th time and I have a few questions for someone with a higher-res recording than my grainy VHS tape.
First of all, can anyone confirm that the light on the dog painting is an electric light vs. a moonbeam? I can make out the curved arms of a light above the painting, and the way the light fans out on it makes it seem like it's an electric light, but the intensity of the light is the same as the ambient moonlight in the room. So, help please.
Second, there are a total of three times glass breaks in the room. The third time is the window, breaking inwards. The second time is the kerosene lantern hitting the floor. The first one is something near the ceiling that breaks and rains down shards of glass that Locke watches. Can anyone tell what that object was? Reason being, I am wondering if it's another lantern that is unlit. If that's the case there could be more than one unlit lantern already in there so that the lantern Ben brought out was a different one than he took in.
Third, can anyone tell what the box is on the floor between the little table and Jacob's chair? It looks like a wooden box about 15 inches square. Can anyone see any more details about it?
-- volney
shamrockie
05-14-07, 04:17 PM
You know, the more I look at that picture, the less I see a dog, and the more I see three hooded figures.....If you look at the dark patches, the faces, you can see a pair of glowing eyes in each one......
That's exactly what I see. Three hooded figures, cream coloured robes. I don't see a dog.
Verite Garde
05-14-07, 04:35 PM
http://is1.okcupid.com/users/130/986/1309867803497835810/mt1105329490.jpg
It looks like Blood Hound to me with those jowls. I think all that matters is that Jacob has a painting of a dog. It's about the significance of the "dog" and those ARE just its paws.
Regarding the chains, I think they're more for the whole effect of creepiness than from the slave ship, but who knows. I've been saying for over a year that the hostiles are Black Rock survivor decendants.
But who are the other hostiles besides Eyeliner Man? I know from the purge scene that there were others, but we are only privy to Eyeliner Man, who I am inclined to believe is an actual Black Rock survivor, not a descendant.
I'm beginning to feel we've moved from The Wizard of Oz to Peter Pan. Craphole is Neverland? A place where you never get old? Eyeliner man reminds me of an evil Peter Pan.
Has anyone else brought up any Peter Pan similarites?
dumapus
05-14-07, 04:51 PM
I dont know if the breed is relevant but it looks like the ears are cropped. I am going with Great Dane.....
http://www.minigalleryworld.com/Jeremy_Mayes/images/20051216113145004_l/large/Great_Dane.jpg
Verite Garde
05-14-07, 05:15 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v37/Shollia/1_09_05_07_10_49_56.jpg
Locke's Push Ups, you did a great job hi-lighting, but you left out the dog's jowls. :)
You can see them in this image.
WolfMan
05-14-07, 05:17 PM
On the whole "What kind of dog is it debate"... I wanted to mention what breed I thought it was.. a Pyrenees!
Only because I visited a Pyrenees breeder recently. :D
If you have never heard of these dogs.. they are HUGE dogs..bigger than St. Bernards (normally white but can appear yellow when dirty). They are used by farmers to protect herds of animals. They actually live with whatever lifestock they are protecting (in this breeder's case they were protecting goats).
And then I found this picture which was spooky when comparing it to Jacob's picture...
http://dogbreedinfo.com/images/PyreneanMountainDogsleah.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v37/Shollia/1_09_05_07_10_49_56.jpg
dumapus
05-14-07, 05:41 PM
I think you can clearly see the ears are cropped. When you crop a dogs ears, they stand up. It really, really looks like his ears are standing up and pointed. That eliminates Vincent (labs), Pyrenees (don't crop ears) and only leaves a few breeds. Its obviously not a Shepard and it looks like a smooth coat so it is not an Airdale or other terrier. With the jowles, the color, the ears and the size.....I'd bet my paycheck for the week its a Dane.
GDs come in a variety of colors (brindle, harlequin, black, blue, yellow). Not all muzzles are as dark as the one pic above). Think Marmaduke with pointy ears....
For the record, I am a dog lover and breeder (Dumapus = Stupid Cat)
Verite Garde
05-14-07, 06:16 PM
I think you can clearly see the ears are cropped.
You can? I don't see anything in the image that can be called "clear" except perhaps the dog's eyes and snout (including the jowls that go with the type of hound dog depicted).
There is no way the dog in the picture is Vincent. Two totally different dogs. Vincent is a Lab mixed breed. The dog in the picture is of the hound variety.
The image of the dog isn't a reflection in a mirror. It is a framed picture and the enirety of it has the same sepia background, IMO.
dumapus
05-14-07, 06:25 PM
I dont know but if you look above "the dog's" left eye, I think you an see a pointy ear. Its a little faint over the right eye but its there too. Hounds don't have cropped ears. If that not ears, then it got to be horns in which case I am going with some dog/unicorn mixed breed which would also jive with my "Unified Meta-Unicorn Theory", but I still think its a Great Dane.
Back to the issue of the lamp and the fire... (this is why hate when threads are merged- the dog painting and the lamp are two very seperate subjects)
I really don't think the lamp situation could possibly be a production error- the focus of the camera on the lantern before during and after the shack of mystery really directs a careful watcher to see a bigger point here.
I am reminded of an episode of the Simpsons, where everyone goes to this theme park and stands in this specific spot and has "a vision". It turns out they are merely halucinating due to a gas leak in that very spot. I think the same thing is going on in the shack.
Before the epi aired I pontificated that Jacob was merely a manifestation of a multiple personality disorder in Ben- I stand by that belief- and I think Ben takes Locke to the gas leak shack in order to make Locke suggestable to the idea of Jacob as a real entity.
Or maybe I have a gas leak in my shack too.
if its a gas leak, wouldnt the fire have ignited the gas and given locke yet another explosion to mark off his list?
Verite Garde
05-14-07, 06:42 PM
The more I think about it, the more I think all the elements are a bunch of hokus pokus and the more we time spent on trying to figure out what happened when in slo-mo the more we go off track. They should have called the episode "Escape to Ghost Mountain" or something. If Ben isn't behind it all, then Richard is. The chains, the lantern, the jars in the window, Jacob appearing for split second ... it's all illusions and tricks to scare.
Verite Garde
05-14-07, 06:44 PM
Also - the picture of Jacob was weirdly placed. He did not seem to be sitting in the chair - I didn't see the chair at all, really!
Yes, the image of Jacob was more of a hologram image, which again,. leads me to believe it's all BS, only Ben doesn't know it.
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Hey, how can I have three 800th posts?
dumapus
05-14-07, 07:03 PM
But if I don't spew out theories about breeds of dogs that probably aren't relevant anyway, then I actually have to do some work while I am in the office and I simply refuse to do that today. I was talking with a co worker and mentioned the picture of the dog and it turns out half of the people I work with who watch the show didn't even know there was a picture of a dog and the other half didn't know the was a image of someone who may or may not be Jacob. I suddenly felt very lame.....
Farmer Ted
05-14-07, 07:14 PM
The chains, the lantern, the jars in the window, Jacob appearing for split second ... it's all illusions and tricks to scare.
Maybe, but why would Benry go through all that trouble if he was just planning on shooting Locke? It doesn't really add up.
lostchild
05-14-07, 07:39 PM
Maybe, but why would Benry go through all that trouble if he was just planning on shooting Locke? It doesn't really add up.
Yep he gots it right
Verite Garde
05-14-07, 07:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Verite Garde http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/images/002/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1530382#post1530382)
The chains, the lantern, the jars in the window, Jacob appearing for split second ... it's all illusions and tricks to scare.
Maybe, but why would Benry go through all that trouble if he was just planning on shooting Locke? It doesn't really add up.
You make a good point, however we don't know that Ben "was just planning on shooting Locke".
He had a gun but it was because Locke heard Jaocb that Ben shot him. It could have turned out much differently if Ben hadn't felt threatened.
geordie_dan2--4
05-15-07, 11:28 AM
My god r u all blind! its a bloodhound!!!!!!
http://www.westminsterkennelclub.org/breedinformation/hound/images/bloodhnd.jpg
Bloodhounds are one of the oldest breeds of dogs that hunt by scent. They are distinguished by their pendulous ears, loose skin and extraordinary olfactory powers. It is believed that the modern Bloodhound developed from the St. Huberts and the Talbots, two ancient European hounds of the 7th and 8th centuries. The Bloodhound has unmatched ability to discriminate human scent, and only a trained Bloodhound's evidence is accepted in a court of law. Remarkably, the same Bloodhound may be on a trail one day, in the show or obedience ring the next, and laying on your couch the day after that!
Visit the official website for the American Bloodhound Club (http://www.bloodhounds.org/)
P.S. bet we find the the picture was originally on board the black rock in the captains quartes!
http://www.dreamwell.com/ali/anthro/ia_sloth.gif
I thought I could find a pic more dog/bear like, I cant as yet.
http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Studio/7336/Animals/Sloth.jpg
Any chance the lantern could have fallen and ignited the wooden floor without breaking the lamp? I don't know that much about lanterns, but it seems like maybe the oil could have leaked out and caught the floor on fire without breaking the glass??
Any chance the lantern could have fallen and ignited the wooden floor without breaking the lamp? I don't know that much about lanterns, but it seems like maybe the oil could have leaked out and caught the floor on fire without breaking the glass??
It could happen if the top wasn't screwed on tightly, but when you watch the episode, the sound of breaking glass occurs three times. First, something up in the rafters breaks and glass shards fall down. Then the lamp falls and sounds like it broke, and finally the window breaks from the outside in.
A long time ago I asked, but no one answered, if anyone could tell what the first object was. I am wondering if it was a lantern that was up in the rafters but unlit. If so, then there could be even more unlit lanterns in there and the one Ben brought out was a different one.
What I am wondering about is how the fire got put out in less than 6 seconds unless he had something there to put it out with because right from the beginning he was planning on it happening.
-- volney
normal42
05-16-07, 03:02 PM
The first thing that broke was one of the Howard Hughes bottles. It flew across the room and tried to hit Locke but he ducked.
Rabies2
05-17-07, 04:28 AM
So like, uhh... 17 pages I don't have time to read through. Just wanted to say I took a couple screen caps off ABC.com 's clip of the shack visit, and there was definitely a transparent black blob hovering over the chair when Locke pointed his Flashlight at it.
OR it could be one of those flash lights with a really dark spot in the middle (never seen em that dark though)
Hodgepodge
05-21-07, 05:32 PM
Moving the the Jacob forum for continued discussion.
LostViking
06-15-07, 04:03 AM
I have no idea where to post this completely random piece of info - this is the most likely spot.
In Douglas Adams series - The Hitchhiker's Guide to The Galaxy - there is a guy who is the leader of the entire universe who lives in a little shack with his cat.
This is the link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minor_characters_from_The_Hitchhiker%27s_Guide_to_ the_Galaxy#The_Ruler_of_the_Universe
Here is the imortant part:The Ruler of the Universe is a man living in a small shack on a world that can only be reached with a key to an improbability field or use of an Infinite Improbability Drive. He does not want to rule the universe and tries not to whenever possible, and therefore is by far the ideal candidate for the job. He has an odd, solipsistic view of reality: he lives alone with his cat, which he has named 'The Lord' even though he is not certain of its existence. He has a very dim view of the past, and he only believes in what he sees with his eyes and ears (and doesn't seem too certain of that, either): anything else is hearsay, so when executive-types visit to ask him what he thinks about certain matters, such as wars and the like, he tells them how he feels without considering consequences. As part of his refusal to accept that anything is true, or simply as another oddity, he even talked to his table for a week to see how it would react. He does sometimes admit that some things may be more likely than others – e.g. that he might like a glass of whiskey, which the visitors leave for him...
A strange coincidence in the Wiki listing was this about the man who did the voice for the ruler of the universe in the radio showHe was voiced on radio by Stephen Moore (in the original Radio Times listing he was announced as being played by Ron Hate - an anagram of "A.N.Other" - because the show was so far behind schedule that the role had not been cast when the magazine went to print).
Hodgepodge
06-15-07, 04:28 PM
Amazing Dweisspt! :)
So, do you think it's a coincidence? :nanabobo:
LostViking
06-16-07, 10:30 PM
Amazing Dweisspt! :)
So, do you think it's a coincidence? :nanabobo:
I know your kidding ;) But don't you think they lifted it right out of the HGTTG? Same as "42" being one of the numbers - and in an interview TPTB made a joke that 42 was the most important of all the numbers. I took that to be a hitchhikers nod.
But, if you remember that scene in the book, the ruler of the universe wasn't even convinced that he himself existed much less that he was the supreme ruler.
It would be funny if it turns out that Jacob doesn't even know that he is the ruler of the Others.
I doubt it will have any more signicance than that.
chaos28
06-18-07, 05:38 PM
There's a guy in the background of the dog picture. You can see the right-side profile of a man looking at something in the distance. It's kinda blurry, and probably impossible to tell who it is, but interesting nonetheless. It's above the dog's paw and to the right of the dog's head (the dog's left). I found it by zooming in on my DVD player when I paused the scene to get a better look at the dog.
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