Jacob is smokey

[nibze]

Hi, first time poster.

Is it me, or does anyone else think that Jacob is smokey?

[RicoSlim]

i didnt see any smoke

welcome to the forum though

[nibze]

Let me clarify.

I've been under the impression, I think since Eko died, that when people on the island see and talk their dead relatives, that that person is really smokey.

My memory could be wrong, but when Eko died didn't smokey transform into his brother?

If my impression is correct, then when Ben saw his mother, that was smokey. When Jack saw his father, that was smokey, etc. This also proves that smokey can be around as "someone", but all we see is that "someone", not any smoke.

So, if all this is correct, then doesn't it seem plausible that the one thing that could show himself to ben and not locke and that could shake the entire house would be smokey? Even if we didn't see any smoke?

Thats my "Jacob is smokey" argument. Hopefully it makes some sense :)

[Blind Guardian]

I hold the same belief nibze. Welcome to the forums!

[LPU]

I don't think he's Smokey. The whispers on the other hand...

[Snapper]

i still think its smokey, but when young Ben see's his mother through the window, wouldnt that mean smokey would have to have went through the fence which it cant?

[nibze]

I think when Ben saw his mother in the window the hostiles were still attacking or had attacked earlier during the day. Smokey could've gotten in when they were attacking.

[Crow T. Robot]

Is it possible that Jacob is just another manifestiation of Smokey? Possibly the primary manifestation?

Could this concept somehow be connected to the volcano on the island?

That might have been volcanic ash circling Jacob's shack. Can he not cross that ash? Does the Smoke Monster have to therefore go underground to move around the island?

I saw a screen cap of what might have been a some smoke on the chair in the shack, but it is a really questionable conclusion.

Regardless or smoke or the chair or volcanoes and their ashes, could Jacob be the Smoke Monster?

[TheTerribleTwist]

I have a feeling that Jacob is trapped within a circle of that ash or whatever and that smokey is unrelated to him. Also, if Jacob is the ghost of a pirate from the Black Rock, how does he have the ability to cure someone's cancer? Or was that a lie that Ben told because maybe the rest of the others/hostiles don't know the true nature of Jacob? Alex seemed to know something though I am still not entirely sure why she gave Locke that gun.

[Crow T. Robot]

I think the gun had more to do with the fact that she figured Ben was going to try to kill Locke and maybe Locke would defend himself and kill Ben instead. We know she ain't got no love for Ben.

[downthehatch]

I think the gun seals the fact that Locke will return, why equip him if you're just going to kill him? The Island will save him and he'll need that gun later on.

[tommyj]

I think the ash/dust/pebbles around jacob's house reminded me of the movie The Skeleton Key with Kate Hudson - it's spread around to keep him inside, hence asking Locke to help him.

[LostIsTony]

I think the gun seals the fact that Locke will return, why equip him if you're just going to kill him? The Island will save him and he'll need that gun later on.I agree. At first I was convinced that Locke was really dead but after thinking more, I've changed my mind. How much do you want to bet that Locke will be involved some way or another with the battle coming up on the beach? I can see Locke running out of the jungle, guns a blazin', just like Rambo. BTW, I thought Locke was a real bad a** last night and brought a big smile to my face.

[Lost42]

OMG! Alex giving Locke that gun right in front of Ben then wishing him a happy birthday was SO awesome. Such a kick in the teeth!

[misty nichole]

I agree it is usually put down in horror movies to contain ghosts, satanic manifestations.Is that smokey in the screencap, or just the lighting? Or Just the producers messing with us again, lol.
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a43/pattylarrimore/smokey.jpg

[lostinvt]

Is it possible that Jacob is just another manifestiation of Smokey?

What conclusive evidence do we have that smokey is anything but the amorphous smoke cloud that we see him as? Perhaps all of the apparitions/visions that have been attributed to being manifestations of smokey are some other being all together?

[Boogieman]

I speculated on how the smoke monster and Jacob relate here...

I think they both go WAY back, but chose different paths have a look at my theory and be nice :)

http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=34904

[NumberStation]

Is it possible that Jacob is just another manifestiation of Smokey? Possibly the primary manifestation?


Actually, at this point, it's still only a fan theory that the various apparitions that show up on the island are manifestations of the smoke monster. People talk about it like it's canon, but doesn't the whole smoke-monster-takes-the-form-of-various-people theory come from the following?

(a) analogy to a book by Michael Crichton involving nanotechnology.

(b) the fact that apparitions are always people from characters' pasts and we have seen the smoke monster apparently scan characters'minds.

I'm not saying it's not the case, and I can't think of a better explanation for the smoke monster than some kind of cloud of nanobots, but the above is a pretty weak case.

[HelpImLost]

Smokie is powerful and roams the island.
Jacob is held captive by Ben and the sand.

I fail to see how the two can be confused.

[mrBIGstar]

There is one clear reason why I am convinced Jacob is NOT Smokey and that is, assuming Jacob's shack is within the Dharma/Losties living areas, i.e. inside the electric fence parameter, it can't be Smokey because we know Smokey is reluctant to go within the fence.

[lostinvt]

Is it possible that Jacob is just another manifestiation of Smokey? Possibly the primary manifestation?


I'm inclined to believe that the smoke monster does not manifest itself into apparitions such as Jacob, etc. My primary reason for this belief is that, as we saw in the last episode, Ben, as a kid, sees his mother standing outside of his bedroom window at night inside the 'other's' compound. As we have seen, 'smokie' doesn't like the sonic fence surrounding the compound. If smokie is the source of the apparitions, then I don't see how 'smokie' could have been Ben's mother in this scene, unless someone turned the fence off to allow smokie to get near Ben's bedroom window.

[lostboy]

smokie is run by the folks underground and is nanotechnology.

[losty mclosterson]

I think the gun seals the fact that Locke will return, why equip him if you're just going to kill him? The Island will save him and he'll need that gun later on.

I thought Ben had the gun now? It appeared that he somehow got the gun away from Locke, because when Locke realized something was up, he spun around and pulled a knife out (at least it looked like a knife to me) and then Ben shot him.

[Dartwick]

Actually, at this point, it's still only a fan theory that the various apparitions that show up on the island are manifestations of the smoke monster. People talk about it like it's canon, but doesn't the whole smoke-monster-takes-the-form-of-various-people theory come from the following?

(a) analogy to a book by Michael Crichton involving nanotechnology.

(b) the fact that apparitions are always people from characters' pasts and we have seen the smoke monster apparently scan characters'minds.

I'm not saying it's not the case, and I can't think of a better explanation for the smoke monster than some kind of cloud of nanobots, but the above is a pretty weak case.



You are leaving out the whole Eco death incident. The producers can ad any twist they want at any time of course. But Ecos brother essentially turning into the smokey before killing him pretty much says Smokey is the same as most of the appiritions.

[Wynter Zera]

I swear, the longer this show goes on the more likely my Monster from the ID theory is true. The "island monster" possibly smokey and now Jacob could be manifestations of the subconscious. I said around episode 5 or so that we were getting a cross between Crichton's Sphere and Planet X's Monster from the ID.

And hey to all three or so of you who actually remember me from the ye-olden days.

In up coming episodes, John and Ben stomp Tokyo in a battle for island domination. :D

[JacksGirlfriend]

And hey to all three or so of you who actually remember me from the ye-olden days.


It is nice to see you back, Wynter!

[clayseason1]

And hey to all three or so of you who actually remember me from the ye-olden days.
I didn't post with you back then, but I remember you ... rather, I remember reading your theories and posts. Glad to see you back.

[lostboy]

nanobots

[so confused]

Ok so its probably been said in another thread but i couldnt find it!

When look shined him torch on the seat u could see a bit of black smoke, maybe its smokie? Also people keep seeing different people on the island that are already dead, like eko saw his brother before smokie killed him, maybe ben isnt crazy he actually can see someone sitting there... maybe his mum (no idea y he'd call her jacob??) and with Locke's 'special connection' with the island maybe all he sees is the actual smoke. In series 1 he saw smokie, we think, wen he ses how he saw into the eyes of the island or sumfin like tht...

Probably stupid and been sed b4 but thought id put it neway

[HelpImLost]

No.

When you shine a flashlight at a wall, there's a halo projected, with a dark spot in the center.

[Boogieman]

I did post this several days ago, but with Jacob being the inverse of smokey...

Jacob represents the "light", and the smoke monster represents the dark. Both were people at one time. Jacob sought to "live off the land" and what the island gives, while whatever smokey was advanced through technology and fought against the good of the island. They are now against each other, and this is why Jacob fears technology.

Also, the sand ring around Jacob likely has some repelling power against the smoke monster, especially if the smoke monster must remain connected with the ground (can't jump, just like it couldn't jump the sonic perimeter)... or if Jacob works like the smoke monster, the ring of sand traps Jacob in. I think John has seen Jacob in S1 when he "looked into the eye of the island and it was beautiful" (this was Jacob seeking out John, but he wasn't ready to grasp the idea of Jacob yet). John then encountered the black smoke monster (the evil one) when he was dragged to the hatch... toward technology!

[Boogieman]

If Jacob does equal Smokey, and we know Smokey's name is Cerberus, we now can duduct that Jacob owns Chrysler...


Chrysler sold for $7.4 billion (http://money.cnn.com/2007/05/14/news/companies/chrysler_sale/index.htm?postversion=2007051406)

DaimlerChrysler moved to undo the most expensive and one of the least successful mergers in auto industry history today -- agreeing to sell its money-losing Chrysler unit for a fraction of what it paid nine years ago. DaimlerChrysler will sell an 80 percent stake in its U.S. brand for $7.4 billion to Cerberus Capital Management, a private equity investment firm. German automaker Daimler-Benz paid $37 billion for Chrysler in 1998.

No wonder Jacob, errr Smokey, is in a bad mood :nanabobo:

[shamrockie]

No, but Smokey is Jacob :D

[mrBIGstar]

If we go by the theory that the circle of that unidentified substance (gunpwder, sand?) then Jacob cannot be Smokey and vice-versa. This is becasue, if Smokey is Jacob, he needs to be able to move between Jacob's shack and all the other places that Smokey has appeared on the show (jungle, next to sonar fence etc) in order to appear as the Smoke and to appear as Jacob. Therefore if Smokey is able to move between places in order to appear as Jacob in the shack, this would reneder the substance which is meant to keep Jacob in, as useless. Therefore, it is on that basis which I'm quite sure Jacob is NOT Smokey and vice-versa.

[Boogieman]

mrBIGstar, Thank you for indirectly supporting my theory:D

[dharma 3]

ive kind of been toying with the idea that jacob is an extension of smokey. we have seen from left behind that it can seperate into segments, as seen when it leaves after the smarmy juliets barrier showdown. what if ben and the others maneged to capture a part of smokey using the dust ring? thats why locke can see it, as he has "met" smokey before.

[cinderellabop]

Bump

[JINANDJUICE]

Did I miss something or what. Everytime something wierd in the show happens - like visions, apparitions, dreams, hell I even saw a theory about the Apollo bars - there are tons of posts about it being Smokey. When have we ever even been given a hint that Smokey is behind all of this ? We've seen Smokey as a black cloud and we've been told that he is some kind of security system. It's even been said that he doesn't like the sonic barrier fence, but never have we been shown it to be able to transform itself into a dead person, an animal, Jacob or anything.

We have been more so led to understand that these visions are the result of the ISLAND having a special connection with certain people, not Smokey's way of playing tricks. And besides, how would Ben's mom have been Smokey because the first time he saw her, she was right outside his bedroom window, inside the barrier fence. And as far as Smokey being Jacob, where would this theory even originate from ? As long as this shows been on, have we been given just 1 mystery to solve or don't the writers love compiling mystery upon mystery. I know that this show has thrown all of us through a loop numerous times, but why can't we have Jacob being 1 mystery and Smokey being another ? Everything gets blamed on Smokey it seems. What did I miss ?