ST-Has there been confirmation of Time Travel?

[pinnerman]

SPOILER ALERT - None of this is confirmed - This is total heresay at this point. I need help confirning something.

Mods, this is not really a theory, and also not a spoiler because it hasn't been confirmed, but please don't move this on me - thanks.

OK, I'm putting this in Theories because this is where this will have the most impact to a lot of us who have theorized about time travel. Another Lost fan at my company today was telling me that he just recently read an interview article, he said it was something from the Tailsection website.

In this article or whatever it was, there were supposedly direct quotes from Damon Lindellof from an interview where he finally admits that Desmond has indeed time-travelled.

Alright, here's the disclaimer - I have not seen this yet personally. I have no reason to doubt him, but this would also be huge breaking news on the boards if it is true. I'm surprised it's not all over the place at this point. Maybe it is something they are going to cover in tonights review show, which I won't see until about 1:00 AM. I don't have time to go digging through that site in the next couple days, so I'm just looking for second source confirmation that someone else has seen this.

Has anyone read an article or interview that covered this? If you have, or if you frequent that site and know how to navigate it quickly to find this, please post if this is truth or bunk.

I'm not asking anyone to spend a lot of time on this, I won't be able to until at least Saturday. But if any of this sounds familiar, please post what you know.

Thanks for your help.

Pinnerman

[RunLoganRun]

I was wondering about the time travel issue last night when Charlie was playing his guitar. He was playing the same song, the rain started, and Desmond was not there - so, was that scene included to show us that Desmond did indeed time travel and changed that moment in Charlie's life ?

[trinabobina]

I thought the TPTB podcast confirmed that Desmond time travelled.

[LPU]

Not only Des, but Hawking as well. I'll try and find a transcript of the podcast.

[time is a river]

Well, on the special "Lost: The Answers" shown Thurs., May 17, to be repeated next Weds., Damon and Carlton say specifically that the are not in P' land but alive SOMEWHERE IN THE TIME/SPACE CONTINUUM.

[vampagan]

Damon:Obviously, as evidenced by certain future memories he's having during his flashback, for the first time in the history of the show we actually allowed a character to have an opportunity to make a different choice than they made before, and Desmond doesn't. He is "course corrected" by a mysterious old lady in a ring shop.

Carlton: What does it mean?
Damon: Did it really happen? Yes, it really happened. Desmond, back in the year 1996 actually had that experience.
I think what's interesting is that there are certain things that happened the way they used to happen, that he changed as a result of being in the past, that might resonate over time, like getting hit in the face instead of the bartender.....or maybe in another incarnation there were two photographs (of Penny), which would explain how she got a copy.

[LPU]

Here's what I was looking for. It's a recent interview with Darlton from over at the Tailsection.

http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1511581&postcount=4

[pinnerman]

OK. Seriously.

I tagged this post accordingly. I followed the rules.

I asked that it be left in Theories.

This is critical information FOR theorists to be discussed BY theorists so that us theorists can discuss what we were right about.

I expect this thread to be moved back to Theories where it belongs.

And I want to know who moved it and why.

PM me once you've moved it back with a complete report of who did this and why.

I want answers.

More importanlty, I want this disussion to continue....IN THEORIES.

[Noav Sigless]

pinn, I don't know who moved this thread but Island Maverick runs T&S, you might want to start with a PM to him.

[pinnerman]

I shouldn't have to PM anyone because it shouldn't have been moved.

I don't know why this thread was moved.

If it was moved for some good reason, I should have been PM'd with an explanation.

Please find a way to move this back to theories.

[marsichs]

Anything not within the confines of the televison show is considered a spoiler, I think. You seem very stressed out.

I wonder if information from the "Answers" show is a spoiler!

[pinnerman]

If it aired on that show, its out in the open.

But that's not the point, this is tagged.

It is ultimately a Theorist topic that needs to stay in theories so we can discuss it.

[marsichs]

The first post is tagged, but not the thread.

The whole basis of the thread is asking if there has been confirmation of time travel OUTSIDE OF THE SHOW

I think they recommend titling threads "ST .... title" for "Spoiler Theories" though I don't know if I've seen that much

The fuselage has a seperate board for Spoiler Theories, which is great. I don't think they even have a regular "theories" thread.

[lost_ian]

Hey chill man, you want to discuss stuff from podcast/interviews it goes in spoiler, get over yourself.

[Noav Sigless]

I wonder if information from the "Answers" show is a spoiler!

No. If it is broadcast, it is not a spoiler.

[Homer Noodleman]

Mods, this is not really a theory

Kinda says it all.

[see you in the next life]

hmmmmmmm......

well, it's not really a spoiler either, is it now?

I think he made a fair request.

It was tagged. He explained his reasoning.

Jesus, you know, sometimes it all gets taken a little too seriously.

What would have been the problem with simply leaving it where it was?

[pinnerman]

Homer, come on now.

This is a bulletin for all people in the Theories section of the site.

I've writen entire threads about how TPTB have come out and made claims about what was NOT going on with the show, only to read quotes from them in another place and see them contradict themselves.

Those threads were not theory threads, but they existed in the Theories section because they impacted all the things people were basing theories on. We were discussing what was in play and what had been ruled out.

I think back to the admission we finally got from them earlier this year that the show IS a sci fi show, shrouded in character backstories.

That was a huge confirmation.

This is even bigger.

Now we are drilling into all of the sci fi themes and getting confirmation that, thematically, Time Travel is part of the mythology of the show.

Apparently my error was not having an "ST" at the start of this thread. I plan to repost this in Theories again with the correct "ST" tag at the start. Then there will be no reason to move it, and this thread can stay here.

Bottom line, there needs to be a thread in Theories about this.

[RicoSlim]

it was moved sucks

[cgrego44]

Good Lord what will some of you people do when this show is over??? Can you please pick your battles? Its a show man, its not your life, go outside and jog or something

[Homer Noodleman]

Pinnerman,

Actually, I've answered the question you asked many times on this forum. It is neither a theory, nor is it a particularily new topic.

Does it belong in here instead of Guys? Perhaps not, but with all the spoilers floating around this week we're having to keep a tighter rein on any spoilers leaking into the general areas.

[pinnerman]

Homer - that is the point for the post exactly. You said:

with all the spoilers floating around this week we're having to keep a tighter rein on any spoilers leaking into the general areas.

Dude - I don't even want to be in Spoilers this week. I want to stay as far away from here as I can because of all the stuff that is going around.

And this is not a spoiler in the traditional sense of something like "I read a script and so-and-so-is going to die..."

We're talking about confirmation from TPTB of things that have already happened on the show (Desmonds flashbacks/timetravel) that have been seen by everyone - we're talking about Lindelof or Cuse telling us what their official interpretation of those sequences is, rather than us guessing what they were.

So I guess when I repost this in Theories, I will title it "ST - Desmond did Time Travel - Confirmation" and add the spoiler tag at the top of the post.

Then I will just say that I am theorizing (off the new quotes from TPTB) that Desmond did actually Time Travel. Then there will be no reason for it to get moved, and I can continue on with this outside of this section.


cgrego44 - you said

Good Lord what will some of you people do when this show is over??? Can you please pick your battles? Its a show man, its not your life, go outside and jog or something

You obviously don't understand the show Lost, because if you did, you would get the significance of this confirmation of Time Travel being a huge reveal if it is true.

Maybe you're into shippers, and who's banging who, and what Jack's tattoos mean. I don't really care. The reason I posted this was to not reinvent the wheel on this, and to find out if there was any truth to this or not.

This show is not my life, in fact, that's why I posted this thread, because I don't have time this week to research the heck out of this on my own - I'm way too busy. But I was betting there are other other passionate fans of the show out there who would know about this and I was right, and I'm very appreciative of thier contributions to helping me find the answers I'm looking for.

So thanks to those of you who are pointing me in the right direction and contributing positively to this site.

cgrego44 - in the time you took to post your snarky little comment in here, you could done something positive - like posted nothing at all. Take your apathy elsewhere.

[monkeywrench]

I guess beards and clothes don't have the ability to time travel since Desmond had his beard and no clothes when he time traveled off and when he got back but didn't have the beard and had clothes in the place he time traveled to.

[hg]

Pinn, as far as I know, there has been no confirmation of time travel; the last quote from DL says something to the effect "there is no time travel". Lostpedia under "time travel" and debunked theories has a discussion on Desmond's going back and course correcting. My take is that they might get around that by alternate universe lines or such. I have been looking for way to do what Desmond does without time travel, and came up with the cryonics angle in my "big chill" theory. If there is time travel, then this show is going to be a complete rip-off of "Donnie Darko", who actually never really time traveled, he was just caught up in an alternate reality.

[pinnerman]

HG - I kind of agree with you. If this comes out as being true, some of us will be able to say "I called time travel back in the day". But what will we be left with after that if it happens?

Time travel is a really tricky thing to do right, especially in a show like this.

I will do some digging this weekend when I have more time to see if I can find any more information on this. Hopefully by then, this post or my new one will be up in Theories.

[Homer Noodleman]

Pinnerman,

Questions don't get posted in T&S. Repeat questions, which this is, should be posted in Guys.

[cgrego44]

you are telling me I don't understand the show b/c I tried to get you to chill out? Well then think of all the time you have wasted b/c of a TELEVISON SHOW on a message board trying to get something put into another message board! I think you are embarrassing yourself personally:)

[hg]

Pinn, why don't you play along and repost this as a theory, such as "Desmond, the reincarnated Frank the Donnie Darko bunny".

[Bob Sacamano]

Nice to see you posting again Pinnerman. TPTB have walked their typical ambiguous line with this topic, but I think for what Desmond experienced the term "time travel" is misleading.

I just posted in my Dreams thread in T&S that the more appropriate phrasing for what Desmond experienced is "Memory Travel" because like Kathleen Turner in When Peggy Sue Got Married, Desmond's trip took place in his unconscious mind and without the aid of a time machine or man-made technology. When he turned the key, the unique properties of the Island were released and absorbed by Desmond and now he is able to see future events consciously. That ability has always been a part of the prescient Dreams of several 815s, most notably Locke, and now Charlie's Dream mandate of "Save Us" is also becoming a reality.

And now I have to run the hell out of here before I spoil the Finale for myself.

[Rizzle]

Nice to see you posting again Pinnerman. TPTB have walked their typical ambiguous line with this topic, but I think for what Desmond experienced the term "time travel" is misleading.

I just posted in my Dreams thread in T&S that the more appropriate phrasing for what Desmond experienced is "Memory Travel" because like Kathleen Turner in When Peggy Sue Got Married, Desmond's trip took place in his unconscious mind and without the aid of a time machine or man-made technology. When he turned the key, the unique properties of the Island were released and absorbed by Desmond and now he is able to see future events consciously. That ability has always been a part of the prescient Dreams of several 815s, most notably Locke, and now Charlie's Dream mandate of "Save Us" is also becoming a reality.

And now I have to run the hell out of here before I spoil the Finale for myself.
i think the most appropriate way to think of it is if you think of time as a fourth dimension, and imagine that desmond moved across that dimension just as we move across the three dimensions we percieve the world in. i always thought it's as if he teleported three feet ahead without actually walking the distance, but across the fourth (time) dimension. that's just what i believe, and if such were the case, imo, the term "memory travel" is a little misleading. if you take a little rock from the street and look at it, its form is a constant. if you imagine that every little fracture of time is as constant as that rock, it would mean that what happens now is happening now and always will be happening now although time goes on and we only remember it as a memory. that's how i think about desmond's time travel. we are not able to see through the fourth dimension so it is enclosed by virtual walls, and we can only experience one single point in time at once. we also can only move in one direction across this dimension. i think the hatch implosion, which was one form of energy, blew desmond backwards across the fourth dimension just like an explosion, which is a different form of energy but energy all the same, would send you in any random direction across the three dimensions, depending.

i really think the fourth dimension/holographic universe theories are very relevant here. i'm thinking singularities and what-have-you. to begin with this post was supposed to supplement or comment on yours but as i kept writing i realized this was just gonna be another theory posts so woopity. i'm gonna stop typing now.

[Bunny Frou Frou]

ramblings

each life - from birth to death - is a thread. desi traveled back on his thread. his current thread didn't go back to that moment, only his conciousness did. that's why he couldn't change his outcome. it had already played out. however, he could witness and influence other threads. all threads will end up in the same place, but with different knowledge. the moirae. yes! penny is clotho, the white haired lady is atropos. not sure who lachesis is.

ramble, ramble, over and out

[LostViking]

ramblings

each life - from birth to death - is a thread. desi traveled back on his thread. his current thread didn't go back to that moment, only his conciousness did. that's why he couldn't change his outcome.

I agree with what you said, but how do we know he couldn't change it?

I think he can - and in a sense, he could alter his own timeline.


I absolutely believe he went back in his own timeline and encountered something new - the old woman! I really do not believe he had that in his timeline the first time around. I think she somehow intercepted him there. But I do not think he had that encounter the first time around.

So I think pinnerman has hit on something here - TPTB did say it was within the relm of "time and space" - and I think this qualifies. Just like Peggy Sue, Desmond went back. But he had the power to change little things - like preventing the bartender from being hit - he just chose not too.

Would the little things he did change the future? I think yes - but that is my opinion. Is it timetravel if you can change the past - even slightly? Yes.

[redwithpurpleflashes]

Half of this tread is awesome, the other half is rehashed debate. Can you figure out which is which? :nanabobo:

[Dysturbed]

Pinnerman, if you're annoyed that the thread is here instead of in theories, mostly based on the fact that you are trying to avoid spoilers, why not just add this one particular thread to your favorites/bookmarks so that you can come to the thread but not see the title of other spoiler topics? It seems like it would save you a lot of aggrvation and keep your topic on topic instead of it being about your complaints about where it is. Food for thought.

[see you in the next life]

you are telling me I don't understand the show b/c I tried to get you to chill out? Well then think of all the time you have wasted b/c of a TELEVISON SHOW on a message board trying to get something put into another message board! I think you are embarrassing yourself personally:)


You are in way over your head here. This board has a great deal of history. A great great deal of history. Now, ofcourse anyone is welcome to post their opinion.....but really, why not just let this one lie if you don't have an opinion one way or the other on whether his post should have been moved or not?

Don't let Pinn's post count fool you. He is one of the more respected posters on this site.

[Bunny Frou Frou]

I agree with what you said, but how do we know he couldn't change it?

I think he can - and in a sense, he could alter his own timeline.


what i mean by change is where he ended up. he will still lose penny, he will still take the boat from libby, and he wll still turn the fail safe key. everything up to that point has happened, no changing that. however desi can now see where threads can potentially go, so those he can change and influence.

(or he's being manipulated into making what's going to happen happen. i.e. charlie's death: he was always going to die in the underwater hatch, but someone had to make sure. that of course makes the fates concious beings, which opens up a whole other can of worms, blah blah...)

so i guess i'm saying he can't alter what has already happened up to that point other than carry knowledge back and forth.

[LostViking]

so i guess i'm saying he can't alter what has already happened up to that point other than carry knowledge back and forth.


Well, everything we have so far seen on the show seems to support what you have said - it is my crazy theory that Des could have changed his own future.

I say that because he encountered something new on his second trip through his past - the old woman. I think she was sent to intercept him, because he really could change the past and affect the future.

Of course when you do that in the movies - things and people start to get hazy...then they begin to dissapear... jacob?

[sexy baby mama]

Regarding this post being here or in theories, here is the problem:

Whatever TPTB say in podcasts is automatically labelled a spoiler. So, when Damon and Carlton say in a podcast that, say p......... is not what is going on, it's a spoiler, and we can't say it in other areas of the board, and thus we end up with thread titles like this: "OMG I'VE FIGURED IT OUT THEYRE IN PU......!"

And then, there's always the issue of people believing what was actually said. So, for instance, they said in the Flashes podcast that it WAS NOT in Desmond's head. They stopped short of saying "he time travelled." But it was definitely NOT IN HIS HEAD. However, there are still people in spoilers, who have listened to the podcast, who still say that it must have been in his head, or he dreamed it, or whatever. So, even once TPTB say it, not everyone is going to believe it.

So, in other words, I have no idea what to about this post. Knowing pinnerman's posts since Season 1, I would go with the benefit of the doubt and let him keep this discussion going on in Theories, as long as it is properly labelled in the title. Maybe even give it a sticky, and call it something like this: "Spoiler Discussion related to the Desmond Time-Travel Theories." That way, people who were really interested could read it and weigh in on the topic. Of course, if someone wanted to use material from the thread to use as evidence in their own thread, they would have to spoiler tag it as well. I think it seems like a little bit of trouble, but I don't believe pin is asking too much of anybody. I personnaly like the idea of this topic being discussed on more areas of the board than spoilers.

And, my extra opinion: I don't think that all comments by TPTB should be considered spoilers. Comments about episodes that have already aired describe their intent when they were making the show, and serve to clarify narrative, directive, and other concerns. There are lots of comments like these in interviews, podcasts, and other places that shouldn't be considered spoilers. Reading an author's commentary on their own book is not a spoiler, just supplemental material. If people choose not to access ALL of the supplemental material, that's fine, but specific quotes that deal with past episodes should be allowed.

[sexy baby mama]

Well, everything we have so far seen on the show seems to support what you have said - it is my crazy theory that Des could have changed his own future.

I say that because he encountered something new on his second trip through his past - the old woman. I think she was sent to intercept him, because he really could change the past and affect the future.

Of course when you do that in the movies - things and people start to get hazy...then they begin to dissapear... jacob?


dweisspt, I don't think you're crazy at all. They said that Desmond had the opportunity to make a different decision - that would definitely change his future. So, the whole thing there was that he COULD have decided to marry Penny, (a different decision), but he DIDN'T. He chose to make the same decision, and break up with her.

[dlpage]

Damon:Obviously, as evidenced by certain future memories he's having during his flashback, for the first time in the history of the show we actually allowed a character to have an opportunity to make a different choice than they made before, and Desmond doesn't. He is "course corrected" by a mysterious old lady in a ring shop.

Carlton: What does it mean?
Damon: Did it really happen? Yes, it really happened. Desmond, back in the year 1996 actually had that experience.
I think what's interesting is that there are certain things that happened the way they used to happen, that he changed as a result of being in the past, that might resonate over time, like getting hit in the face instead of the bartender.....or maybe in another incarnation there were two photographs (of Penny), which would explain how she got a copy.

I've not seen this transcript before...what podcast is it from? Is this legit? Searched some other boards, or tried to, and could find nothing on it.

[sexy baby mama]

yes, dlpage, that is the actual transcript from that podcast. Most sites do not transcribe the podcasts, because you have to listen to them.

Those quotes were from the podcast that was re-hashing Flashes before your eyes. You can subscribe to Lost Official Podcasts on ITunes, (they are free!) or you can listen to them on abc.go.com/primetime/lost/podcast

They keep a lot on the abc site, but not all of them. I'm not sure if the Flashes one is still archived there, or if you have to go to ITunes to find it now. Itunes would have all of them - I'd check abc first though.

[pinnerman]

Thanks for your support see you in the next life and sexy baby mama.

I really appreciate it.

I'm glad to hear that this was from a podcast too. Those are where we have heard other memorable clues, like the time they accidentally said the term "electromagnetic forcefield". I started a thread on that topic because they said that in a podcast BEFORE the season two finale aired and the sky turned purple. It still hasn't been completely explained, but it goes a long way to confirm there is some kind of artificial or manmade forcefield that makes the island difficult to detect unless you literally crash into it.

Some of us always suspected there was something like that around the island, that podcast was just confirmation from TPTB.

This situation is very very similar in what they have said about time travel. I will listen to the podcast this weekend as soon as I get the time.

[see you in the next life]

Thanks for your support see you in the next life and sexy baby mama.

I really appreciate it.

I'm glad to hear that this was from a podcast too. Those are where we have heard other memorable clues, like the time they accidentally said the term "electromagnetic forcefield". I started a thread on that topic because they said that in a podcast BEFORE the season two finale aired and the sky turned purple. It still hasn't been completely explained, but it goes a long way to confirm there is some kind of artificial or manmade forcefield that makes the island difficult to detect unless you literally crash into it.

Some of us always suspected there was something like that around the island, that podcast was just confirmation from TPTB.

This situation is very very similar in what they have said about time travel. I will listen to the podcast this weekend as soon as I get the time.


Pinn................

Sadly, I cannot get excited about anything TPTB say in the podcasts anymore.

I am also disillusioned with the treatment the sci-fi components of the show are getting. For example, the extremely light in science explanation of the plane crash. I know I am being too picky here...at least that is what everyone tells me.

however, I just can't see TPTB doing a good job of explaining the rules of engagement regarding this whole altermate reality/time travel/flashes thing of Desmond's.

To me the worst sci-fi is that which doesn't let the viewers know the ground rules for what can and can't be done and why things happen a certain way. Without those, TPTB can pull the deus ex machina anytime they feel like it. The sudden killing of Eko by Smoky felt that way to me. Even worse is the sudden appearance of a new hatch which apparently Dr. Marvin Candle had never heard of. Candle clearly says Station 1 of 6. So, if the Flame, Arrow, Staff, Swan, Pearl, and Hydra are the 6....where the hell did this one suddenly come from?

One of the reasons the Alien franchise of movies was so successful (PLEASE EXCLUDE VOLUME IV AS IT WAS A TRAVESTY) is because the ground rules were quite clear.

[Ahrean]

OK. Seriously.

I tagged this post accordingly. I followed the rules.

I asked that it be left in Theories.

This is critical information FOR theorists to be discussed BY theorists so that us theorists can discuss what we were right about.

I expect this thread to be moved back to Theories where it belongs.

And I want to know who moved it and why.

PM me once you've moved it back with a complete report of who did this and why.

I want answers.

More importanlty, I want this disussion to continue....IN THEORIES.

I always thought it was up to whomever runs the site to put it where they want.

And I hope like HELL they're not in some proverbial on earth black hole. That would suck.

[Spybinder]

In post #7 of this thread the linked article has Damon or Carlton saying we will not see the old lady "Ms. Hawking" from Desmond's flash back anymore this season. I could have sworn there was a trailer right after that episode aired that had Ms Hawking talking to Jack or someone who was in one of the cages at the Hydra. Does anyone recall this or am I losing my mind?

[Lawboy]

Pinn................

Even worse is the sudden appearance of a new hatch which apparently Dr. Marvin Candle had never heard of. Candle clearly says Station 1 of 6. So, if the Flame, Arrow, Staff, Swan, Pearl, and Hydra are the 6....where the hell did this one suddenly come from?


Because it is NOT a hatch/station in the same sense. It is not part of the Dharma experiments, so not one of the 6. My guess is that it is the travel portal through a black hole(See the Bunny neck). So it is something entirely different.

[Rizzle]

Even worse is the sudden appearance of a new hatch which apparently Dr. Marvin Candle had never heard of. Candle clearly says Station 1 of 6. So, if the Flame, Arrow, Staff, Swan, Pearl, and Hydra are the 6....where the hell did this one suddenly come from?
i actually don't mind the idea that there were "secret" hatches that no one knew about. in addition to that, what Lawboy said above me. but besides that i totally see your point and find myself agreeing with the point itself. just not in the case of the particular example you used. ;) it's funny, i used to be so anti TPTB-haters but i'm feeling more and more frustration. well i'll be damned :D i have not completely turned to the dark side yet though.

In post #7 of this thread the linked article has Damon or Carlton saying we will not see the old lady "Ms. Hawking" from Desmond's flash back anymore this season. I could have sworn there was a trailer right after that episode aired that had Ms Hawking talking to Jack or someone who was in one of the cages at the Hydra. Does anyone recall this or am I losing my mind?
i remember also noticing this during the pre-Not In Portland hiatus that two women were cast around the same time that looked very alike. i actually confused them to be the same woman at first because i had only seen thumbnail pictures. i believe you are speaking of isabelle, who in a thumbnail may look like ms. hawkings, but actually is far from it. remember the others' "sheriff"? she asked jack if he knew what his tattoo said, and pointed out the irony in their meaning, all while he was in a cage. it wasn't long after cindy and the rest of the kidnapped tailies passed by and said hi.

http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Isabelle

[see you in the next life]

Because it is NOT a hatch/station in the same sense. It is not part of the Dharma experiments, so not one of the 6. My guess is that it is the travel portal through a black hole(See the Bunny neck). So it is something entirely different.


Lawboy...........

I love ya and all but what the hell are you talking about?

Who the hell constructed them it if not DHARMA. Building an underwater hatch requires time, money and all the right equipment.

As for the travel portal through a black hole...........

well, that might be but nothing really gives us that information yet.

Maybe not part of the 6 but then it shouldn't be referred to as a hatch.

[Sawyer'sBaby'sMomma]

Bottom line. If there is a thread that you devote any significant amount of time to, and you don't want to click the spoilers thread and see all the titles and spoil something for yourself, then there is a handy little tool called "Subscribe to this thread." You can then head to your User CP and see if the thread you've subscribed to has been replied to, and can directly click on it from there, thus removing any chance of seeing other spoilers.

I'm not gonna get into the argument on where this and that should be posted, but everyone should know about the tools included in your forum membership. I can see how Pinner might be aggravated, but the fact still remains that there's a tool that can eliminate him from seeing other Spoilers by subscribing to the thread, and so can the other Theorists that don't like to frequent this area of the forum.

That is all. :)

[Crandyman]

Although it's in General Discussion, I had a good ol' time debating the case of time travel. There was no talk of podcast information or interviews so we were just left to discuss the reasoning behind why it is or isn't a study case for time travel. If anyone cares to read up on it and possibly add to it here or there, please do so. I have been a supporter of time travel from the beginning. :)

Pro Time-Travel Camp (http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=30764)

[Lawboy]

Lawboy...........

I love ya and all but what the hell are you talking about?

Who the hell constructed them it if not DHARMA. Building an underwater hatch requires time, money and all the right equipment.

As for the travel portal through a black hole...........

well, that might be but nothing really gives us that information yet.

Maybe not part of the 6 but then it shouldn't be referred to as a hatch.

Hatch is your term. When Marv was talking about the 6 stations, he was specifically referring to the Dharma research stations, in whatever fashion they were used for. Just because the Looking Glass may have been built by Dharma does not automatically make it one of the 6. Thats like saying that the barracks are a station or hatch because Dharma built those, too. And by the way, who referred to it as a station/hatch? Juliette said "it's called The Looking Glass", not, "Its called The looking Glass station/hatch".

[see you in the next life]

Hatch is your term. When Marv was talking about the 6 stations, he was specifically referring to the Dharma research stations, in whatever fashion they were used for. Just because the Looking Glass may have been built by Dharma does not automatically make it one of the 6. Thats like saying that the barracks are a station or hatch because Dharma built those, too. And by the way, who referred to it as a station/hatch? Juliette said "it's called The Looking Glass", not, "Its called The looking Glass station/hatch".


I could be wrong but I thought either Jack or Sayid did...most likely Sayid....but I agree that it was their reference and not Candle's.

[time is a river]

Although it's in General Discussion, I had a good ol' time debating the case of time travel. There was no talk of podcast information or interviews so we were just left to discuss the reasoning behind why it is or isn't a study case for time travel. If anyone cares to read up on it and possibly add to it here or there, please do so. I have been a supporter of time travel from the beginning. :)

Pro Time-Travel Camp (http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=30764)

i don't want to be picky, but do you really mean time travel, going from one time into another--the present into the future or the past (and back?)? That way if you go back to where you were in the past, there are 2 yous. Or do you mean that time is being manipulated in some way, there are alternate timelines, etc.?

[chicken10der]

Even worse is the sudden appearance of a new hatch which apparently Dr. Marvin Candle had never heard of. Candle clearly says Station 1 of 6. So, if the Flame, Arrow, Staff, Swan, Pearl, and Hydra are the 6....where the hell did this one suddenly come from?

Just to clear this up because I see so many people with this incorrect argument - the Arrow is not an actual station. It was mentioned in one of the podcasts that there are probably several Arrows around the island and that they were just storage facilities. A 'station' implies there is work going on there, and there's nothing pointing to anything ever having gone on at the Arrow we saw. Only now do we know what the 6 stations were. I describe my apartment as having 2 bedrooms, not 2 bedrooms and a side hallway closet.

[Noav Sigless]

Originally Posted by pinnerman
I've writen entire threads about how TPTB have come out and made claims about what was NOT going on with the show, only to read quotes from them in another place and see them contradict themselves.
This is a big problem when using a TPTB statement as a basis for a theory. They do contradict themselves. They also make statements from the viewpoint of the audience about what is known, "We don't know what the smoke monster is." The "we" being us, the viewers.

They change their minds. Early in season 2, they said there would be no Rose and Bernard episode until season 3. Then they made a Rose and Bernard episode in season 2.

They exaggerate. "Nikki and Paulo will be seen as iconic characters." Now this may be true, if they meant icons of bad judgement/writing.

They lead us on wild goose chases. They told us there will be a jump-the-shark moment and "you'll know it when you see it". Every episode following that statement had someone knowing and seeing it. They did the same thing with the "game changer".

The flat out lie. Remember that Vincent flashback in the season 1 finale? Me neither.

The bottom line is, TPTB say a lot of crap. If you want to get worked up about another one their "statements", go right ahead. But be prepared for them to contradict it.

[Crandyman]

i don't want to be picky, but do you really mean time travel, going from one time into another--the present into the future or the past (and back?)? That way if you go back to where you were in the past, there are 2 yous. Or do you mean that time is being manipulated in some way, there are alternate timelines, etc.?

I have long since argued that there are many interpretations of "time travel". It does not necessarily mean the physical transportation of the body. It could be at the conscious level as well. I definetely think there is some time manipulation going on though. I explained alot of my ideas in the other thread so I wont bore you guys with repeating it but there are some good arguments on both sides in there.

Also, for the record, I do not believe in most paradoxes, so any argument using them will get no recognition from me. :)

[Bunny Frou Frou]

oh, and the arrow wasn't a legit station. it was a storage unit.

[see you in the next life]

Hatch is your term. When Marv was talking about the 6 stations, he was specifically referring to the Dharma research stations, in whatever fashion they were used for. Just because the Looking Glass may have been built by Dharma does not automatically make it one of the 6. Thats like saying that the barracks are a station or hatch because Dharma built those, too. And by the way, who referred to it as a station/hatch? Juliette said "it's called The Looking Glass", not, "Its called The looking Glass station/hatch".


Okay Lawboy...............I just re-watched the episode.

Juliet specifically says it is "another of the DHARMA stations."

Sayid refers to it as a hatch....as does Desmond.

So, again....I realize there could be more than the 6 statiohns referred to by Marvin Candle in Orientation....but I was right that Juliet absolutely refers to it as ANOTHER of the DHARMA stations.

[see you in the next life]

Just to clear this up because I see so many people with this incorrect argument - the Arrow is not an actual station. It was mentioned in one of the podcasts that there are probably several Arrows around the island and that they were just storage facilities. A 'station' implies there is work going on there, and there's nothing pointing to anything ever having gone on at the Arrow we saw. Only now do we know what the 6 stations were. I describe my apartment as having 2 bedrooms, not 2 bedrooms and a side hallway closet.


I am glad you brought this up. I seem to recall mention of this in a podcast also but thought I was crazy. Now that it has been confirmed by more than one other person....i am ready to say that it makes perfect sense now.


Arrow = storage station

Flame
Pearl
Staff
Hydra
Swan
Looking Glass


are the 6 research stations......

[Rizzle]

I describe my apartment as having 2 bedrooms, not 2 bedrooms and a side hallway closet.
lol, that was grand.