Um.... Welcome Back, Walt

[vonnegut]

Smokie?

Walt?

Jacob?

Hallucination?


Who went and dragged Locke up out of the pit?

[LOST lunatic]

Holy cow did he grow up!!!! It almost didn't look like the same kid ! I thought for sure after Locke shot Naomi that he was going to die.

[truffula]

I heard WHISPERS before I heard Walt.

And my brother swears that he saw the SMOKE behind Walt, but I need to see caps to confirm.

Welcome back, WALT. :D You have been missed. Now give me some ANSWERS!!!! ;)

[LPU]

I didn't see any smoke but I did think I heard whispers...and Barry White.

[sawyerhasbestlines]

Just assumed Jacob manifested a Walt hologram to kick Locke's dumb ass out of the skeliton pit.

[vonnegut]

Definite whisper alert.

RVT? You better get crackin. You only have seven or eight months to decipher those.

[CENSORED]

I love how he's still in the same size clothes....just 1 1/2 feet taller.

hehe..

[juanbong]

I heard WHISPERS before I heard Walt.

And my brother swears that he saw the SMOKE behind Walt, but I need to see caps to confirm.

Welcome back, WALT. :D You have been missed. Now give me some ANSWERS!!!! ;)

I heard whispers as well, truff!


And no rain or darkness this time when seeing Walt. Interesting...

[xpButtercup]

Jacob controls Smokie.

That is all.

[foxxie]

I also heard the whispers...and the Barry White! :p

[Sawyer Soze]

There were definite whispers.

[vonnegut]

I hear Barry White whenever LPU posts.

[SpitKing]

The whole Walt scene was such a tease! Smokey? Probably. Dang was Locke really about to give up? That surprised me. Jacob told him he needed his help.





Edit:Clearing up my tired thoughts :)

[Gorbeh]

My guess: Jacob controlling Smokie (the Bear; only joking:))

[yoyoj06]

one thing is for sure, he no longer has a high squeaky voice.

i think he has appeared in another one of those times where "he appears in places where he shouldnt be"

[Phirun]

Yah, the captions said whispers. And also,
Jesus Christ! how much can a kid grow in a year!

[CENSORED]

how much can a kid grow in a year!

That much

[strummecharlie]

yes i heard whispers, it sounded like a woman's whispering though, and this time it sounded like definite words

[missedflight815]

Well, they've got some explaining to do.

Was that realy Walt? Or was it Smokie? And if it was Walt, has he somehow aged 2 years in the last 4 weeks (since he and Michael set sail)? Or did Ben pack them some human growth hormone on the boat?

They can't just let this go. :no-no:

[Ralphoid]

Dude... its a show. The kid grew up. lol

[All_Who_Wander]

Ya, he did grow up...I'm sure the producers were pissed but what could they do?

he's a foot taller, filled out and is getting his man voice. Puberty

I think however it was smokey

[missedflight815]

Wow, really? It's a show??? I had no idea! :rolleyez:

TPTB easily could have used another mechanism for getting Locke out of the pit, but they chose to use Walt. So my point is that they had to know how odd it would look, and that they will somehow have an explanation for this.

[Crandyman]

Apparently the Um.... Welcome Back, Walt (http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=36182) thread was a manifestation too because you waltzed right by it.

[erock1070]

Walt ....wait, what???- I thought that was one of Lebron James' kids that got Locke outta the ditch

[Frecklestoo]

That was pretty cool....there were definitely whispers. I'm betting it was smokie because it's hard to believe that Michael and Walt turned around and came back to the island because Walt "felt" that Locke needed him to get his butt in gear.:rolleyez:

[truffula]

Kinda makes me wonder if way back in S1....

"Don't open that thing Mr. Locke" when 'Walt' warned Locke, for some reason, about opening the Hatch......was that REALLY WALT?
Was there ANYONE else around when that scene transpired?
Could that have been SMOKIE (or "the island")?

More than likely not, but the thought crossed my mind, and we have lots of time to discuss all the little details now....

[keairaii]

Yeah, Walt's voice was definitely on the verge of getting deeper. When he first came, my boyfriend thought it was Ana-Lucia! XD

[leleana]

So that was seriously kickbutt when Walt showed up. My whole family went, OH MY GOD! because of how old he is. Of course, we knew that would happen, but my goodness, he just grew so fast.

[MrSocko]

I was happy as hell to seem. I clapped when his name came up on the opening credits. :D

[Pozorrogo]

Why do you think they got rid of all the kids at the beginning of the show?
DUH, because they were all eventually going to get older!! And the more
we see the kids, the more we'll know that they replaced one or two of them
If they had replaced Walt with another similar-looking kid, we would all
be saying "WHO THE HELL IS THAT?!" But they have to keep Walt because
we already know his face, and replacing him all-of-the-sudden would cause
another riot like the HULA DOLL incident. And we don't want that.
Im guessing we'll be seeing more of Walt later on, in strange angles to mask
that he's gotten taller. Did you guys see the extreme close-up they did
of him tonight?! Yeah. Walt is like 27 years old now. Not cute anymore!

But as for Aaron, they can keep replacing him with multiple babies over
and over, since his face isnt implanted in our memories!

[unearth]

I dont think i have seen this mentioned...but that WAS Walt who appeared to Locke...right? What the hell is going on with Walt and Michael??? Where have they been? Did the island bring them back to it just like it did Desmond and the raft crew? Perhaps Walt and Michael were intercepted by the freight ship? They MUST show back up in future episodes or it would be kinda silly right

[The Life of Riley]

Existing thread about Walt: http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=36182

[Alarm Agent]

I have a sinking suspicion it was just one of those classic Walt "appearing in places that he is not near" moments. That was his specialty, right? It's been so long since he's been in the show, haha.

There is also a chance he was a total figment, or an island manifestation. Locke and Walt had a unique bond on the island, they both didn't want to leave, remember? They're both 'special', and they just got along together very well. Walt provided some initiative for Locke to do things/have faith in the island in the earlier seasons, and he is appearing once more to encourage that behavior in him.

Either way, I do not think it was physically Walt present on the island. I haven't the slightest where him and Michael are, but I doubt they're on the island...on the island alive, at least.

[unearth]

I have a sinking suspicion it was just one of those classic Walt "appearing in places that he is not near" moments. That was his specialty, right? It's been so long since he's been in the show, haha.

There is also a chance he was a total figment, or an island manifestation. Locke and Walt had a unique bond on the island, they both didn't want to leave, remember? They're both 'special', and they just got along together very well. Walt provided some initiative for Locke to do things/have faith in the island in the earlier seasons, and he is appearing once more to encourage that behavior in him.

Either way, I do not think it was physically Walt present on the island. I haven't the slightest where him and Michael are, but I doubt they're on the island...on the island alive, at least.

I guess Walt signifies hope for Locke... I believe Locke will eventually be the next leasder of the Island..obviously he has a special bond for the island

[truffula]

Existing thread about Walt: http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=36182
*whistles innocently* ;)

I should have caps soon of WALT's appearance tonight. :)

[unearth]

I want to know how Michael and Walt actually got OFF the island since it seems to bring everyone else back to it

[boonian androphile]

Hooray for the return of Walt, whether Havid or real. I assume Havid. But all the same---Hooray!:shhh:

[WhatNot]

Did anyone else notice that looking up at Walt from Locke's position, there were no trees or anything around... only a blue, cloudy sky. But they are deep in a forest??


Does anyone have a screencap of this?

[WhatNot]

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u150/normally42/LookingGlass01.jpg


Where are the trees???

[LPU]

Walt's taller than the trees. He's just covering them up!

[sociologik]

lol you really made me laugh out loud saying that Walt is 27 years old now.

[*Saint*]

Does someone have the dialogue that was spoken between Walt and Locke? I was talking through the entire scene because I was astounded with how much Walt grew. I mean, we knew he was going through puberty but hello! Barry White is totally like it!!!

...and it was Smokey. Why else would TPTB mention in the Answers show that Smokey can take on the appearance of many people??? It was totally smokey controlled by Jacob.

Looks like Jacob is good??

[Midget]

That wasn't really Walt. It was the island, or Jacob, or something manifesting itself as Walt because it knew Locke would respond to an image of a person he knew wasn't even on the island anymore. It took that kind of surreal encounter for Locke to get HIMSELF out of the pit. (Consider where he was mentally just a moment before.) "Walt" did tell John (paraphrasing) that his legs could work and he could climb out because "he had work to do." Taking courage, I think John literally climbed out of the hole himself after that.

[volney]

The whole Walt scene was lame, no matter how they explain it later. In fact, everything involving Locke last night was pretty lame. But I digress.

Locke would never imagine Walt older than he last saw him. And Smokie wouldn't manifest an image of Walt older than Locke would recognize. So it must be actual Walt, time traveling, showing up where he isn't supposed to be, back from the future. I expect to see Hurley trying to cram himself in the DeLorean next. And Christopher Lloyd will turn out to be Jacob.

:coffeedunk:

-- volney

[LPU]

"Locke" or "Smokey" had no choice in seeing/being older Walt. It's not as if TPTB could have frozen MDK Disney style and thawed him out when the story required him.

[LOST lunatic]

"Locke" or "Smokey" had no choice in seeing/being older Walt. It's not as if TPTB could have frozen MDK Disney style and thawed him out when the story required him.


Yes but if Walt is not going to be an essential part of the show now, he did not have to appear as an aged Walt. Of course with him grown up in real time they had no choice I agree. But if this is a one time thing, it could have been taped earlier when he was smaller.

[interplanetjanet]

I don't think they knew they would have Walt doing this--the scene was filmed a couple of months ago. He had his old outfit on, and he was shot from below--we never see him next to Locke to judge his height. He's meant to be old Walt.

I thought it was obviously Smokey.

[LandPirate]

The whole Walt scene was lame, no matter how they explain it later. In fact, everything involving Locke last night was pretty lame. But I digress.

Locke would never imagine Walt older than he last saw him. And Smokie wouldn't manifest an image of Walt older than Locke would recognize. So it must be actual Walt, time traveling, showing up where he isn't supposed to be, back from the future. I expect to see Hurley trying to cram himself in the DeLorean next. And Christopher Lloyd will turn out to be Jacob.

:coffeedunk:

-- volney
lol
.

[L8O1S5T]

The kid looks a little bit older but he looks the same to me. He has a pretty distinctive look and voice.

[sam o nela]

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u150/normally42/LookingGlass01.jpg


Where are the trees???

Production error imo...

They most likely filmed Walt somewhere else (like LA) on a mismatched set or against a green screen rather than flying him back to the Hawaii location just to film less than 1 minute of dialogue with Locke...

Either that or they purposely did it to clue in that Locke is hallucinating.

Im leaning toward the former...

[scotpgot]

Whew! That scene blew my mind. The power went out at my place just before it, and it comes back on with Locke pointing the gun at his head and FRIGGIN WAAAAALT.

I like it that Locke actually said his name. "Walt". Like he had aged so much in a year that all the viewers wouldn't recognize him. Or that Locke didn't quite recognize him. Hilarious.

For the life of me I can't decide if Walt's growth spurt is plotline or not. If it IS, I would suggest that it isn't Smokey or Jacob because they work off MEMORIES, and Locke certainly wouldn't REMEMBER an adolescent Walt.

I've always really, really liked Walt. Hoped that he became a MAJOR player on the island. To me, he has even more insight into the island than Locke, almost to the point of being a Saviour type character. That's just the impression I got of his "special boy" description and Klugh being super-extra curious about his genetics, appearing where he wasn't supposed to be abilities.

[MrSocko]

I loved seeing Walt again. I wasn't too too shocked when it happened because I saw MDK's name pop up in the opening credits. I was actually expecting him to be somewhere in The Looking Gladd :)

I also understand why people don't like how Walt has aged, but thats just how it goes I think. I highly doubt its supposed to have any significance, which is why they filmed it in such an odd way--they tried as hard as they could to make him seem normal.

[rvturnage]

There's nothing they can do about the growth spurt. They shot him from that angle and in the same clothes, in order to minimize the impact of his growth.

There's nothing to the growth and this appearance. This was another vision given to Locke by the island, in order to get Locke to do the work it wants done.

[ehhhok]

They are going to have to replace him at some point if they keep using him. In two years you might as well bring back michael as walt and have him stand on his knees with funny camera angels. It would be as believable.

[rvturnage]

True. But nonetheless, I'm surprised at the lack of suspension of disbelief some people have while watching a TV show sometimes...

[scotpgot]

There's nothing they can do about the growth spurt. They shot him from that angle and in the same clothes, in order to minimize the impact of his growth.

There's nothing to the growth and this appearance. This was another vision given to Locke by the island, in order to get Locke to do the work it wants done.
Shouldn't you be locked in a room somewhere working on those whispers?!?! :D

[rvturnage]

I am. This is just an island induced vision of me commenting.

And, I look taller in this vision.

[Bob Sacamano]

This was another vision given to Locke by the island, in order to get Locke to do the work it wants done.True, rv, but unique because his prior instructions came in Dreams and drug-induced Trips. You also had Walt clearly conveying a message vs. the unintelligible backwards-speak from the first time around with Shannon. Can't wait to read your transcripts - thanks as always for the great work.

[Lawboy]

Walt=Smokey last night.

The question I have is, what did Locke know, or think he knew. What did Walt tell him to get him to kill Naomi, and almost Jack before walking away saying the rescue was not supposed to happen? It almost sounds like the same thing that happened to Desmond in his flashes, but through a new method.

[Patrick]

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u150/normally42/LookingGlass01.jpg


http://net5.sbs.nl/images/database/l/lost/actie/ac_lost-walt.jpg

[see you in the next life]

smoky.

In Lost: The Answers

TPTB talk about not knowing what Smoky is but that it can apparently scan and pull information from those it comes in contact with.

They segue into a conversation about manifestations on the island and specifically reference Christian, Dave, Walt, and the horse.

I wonder if they aren't nodding toward smoky pulls the information.....then manifests (or actually becomes) the vision.

[rvturnage]

True, rv, but unique because his prior instructions came in Dreams and drug-induced Trips. You also had Walt clearly conveying a message vs. the unintelligible backwards-speak from the first time around with Shannon. Can't wait to read your transcripts - thanks as always for the great work.

We're ssuming the instructions from Dreams & Trips came from the same source. See my thought in your thread in T&S (http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1561497&postcount=507), assuming you can follow my ramblings. :)

It is certainly different than the back-talking Walt we've seen with Shannon. Then again, we have seen a progression of complexity with the visions...no-talking Christian in inappropriate shoes, to Wet Walt talking backwards, to Yemi correctly clothed, dry and speaking correctly.

[scotpgot]

Interesting rv. But your "progression" leaves out Ben's mom. Or perhaps you mean a progression specifically with the Losties?

[Gilligan]

It isn't his growth that surprises me.

He's evidently had a nice 'do, too.

[rvturnage]

Interesting rv. But your "progression" leaves out Ben's mom. Or perhaps you mean a progression specifically with the Losties?

You are correct...Ben's mom's vision did take place well before any of the others Visions we have seen on island. Perhaps Smokey (or whatever) has been overloaded with Lostie's visions and it took time to processes all these "new" memories accurately before the Visions could be manifested correctly.

You sure bring up a good point, though scotpgot.

[Bob Sacamano]

OK, rv, I'll go check out your post.

One question: Were the Visions of Christian, Yemi and Dave and the Horse accompanied by Whispers?

Great idea scotpgot - I had incorrectly placed Vision-Emily at the end of the list. She is the first Vision, not the last. I will amend.

[rvturnage]

OK, rv, I'll go check out your post.

One question: Were the Visions of Christian, Yemi and Dave and the Horse accompanied by Whispers?


Not that I'm aware of, Bob...although it is certainly possible there were some feint ones surrounding other Visions.

There were actually a lot of rumored whispers and voices that were very, very subtle in Season 1, even before Solitary when Sayid heard them loud and clear. When Walt found the handcuffs, when Kate and Sawyer found the waterfall, etc. And these surrounding Walt were pretty subtle too, I think. I'm willing to bet a majority of people watching never heard them.

[ozchick]

Just to chime in here. Another reason I think this was smokey was that the vision said "John" and while I'd have to go back to transcripts to be sure, I can only remember Walt ever saying "Mr. Locke". I do not recall Walt ever using Locke's first name.

[scotpgot]

MAN, I could SO go either way on this.

Again, to me if it depends if the aging is part of the plotline. If Walt IS older (more mature, etc.) why NOT call him John?

[Zeke Gorton]

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u150/normally42/LookingGlass01.jpg


http://net5.sbs.nl/images/database/l/lost/actie/ac_lost-walt.jpg

Quite a lot of growth in 90 days

[Found in the Land of Lost]

Is there any sort of consistency when it comes to sounds surrounding what we understand to be Smokie apparitions? Meaning, in the past when Smokie was projected as an image (black horse, Christian, etc.) did we heard any Smokie related sounds, like we heard during the spider incident, for example?

The presence of whispers, and no Smokie related sounds, makes me lean more toward the remote viewing type of explanation for Walt's visit. The only thing that makes me think that it might be Smokie is that the message itself seems to go along the lines of "the island"'s agenda. Then again, when Walt was around, he did seem to be pretty in-tune with the island, and if I remember correctly, he told his dad that he would want to stay there instead of going back to the mainland.

I'm calling remote viewing (or whatever you want to call it).
:D

[rvturnage]

I don't recall any Smokey sounds during any apparitions. But, how does remote viewing explain Ben's vision of his mom, who was dead, which was also preceeded by whispers, much like this vision of Walt?

[scotpgot]

I don't think Found . . . was trying to explain the Emily-vision with remote-viewing. Only the Walt visions. But interpreting another poster is always a little dangerous. ;)

Rv, is there ANY rhyme or reason as to when the Whispers show up?

[littlelabrynth]

I don't recall any Smokey sounds during any apparitions. But, how does remote viewing explain Ben's vision of his mom, who was dead, which was also preceeded by whispers, much like this vision of Walt?
Didn't the vision of Christian in "White Rabbit" make a sound similar to the ticker tape sound that smokey makes when Jack was following it through the jungle. It wasn't exactly the same...it seemed somewhat echoed or something...but it was definitely there.

[rvturnage]

I don't think Found . . . was trying to explain the Emily-vision with remote-viewing. Only the Walt visions. But interpreting another poster is always a little dangerous. ;)

Rv, is there ANY rhyme or reason as to when the Whispers show up?

No rhyme or reason that I can see. Although I personally have put them in the same category as the Visions...after all, what is a mysterious whisper of unknown origin but an auditory hallucination? :)

I understand what Found was saying. But he was asking about Smokey sound and said that since he only heard whispers and not Smokey he would attribute Walt's appearance to remote viewing. Emily is pretty readily accepted as being a Smokey vision like Dead Anna, Yemmi, and the other people Eko saw. I was just pointing out that there was a connection between the Walt vision and the Emily vision...the whispers were heard before each, and that Emily couldn't be remote viewing since she was dead.

[rvturnage]

Didn't the vision of Christian in "White Rabbit" make a sound similar to the ticker tape sound that smokey makes when Jack was following it through the jungle. It wasn't exactly the same...it seemed somewhat echoed or something...but it was definitely there.

I remember the sounds of ice clinking in a glass, but not any smokey sound. The ice in the glass sound bled over into Jack's flashback of Christian drinking something...scotch on the rocks? It's been debated whether that sound was just used for dramatic effect, or intended to be Smokey making the sound from Jack's memory.

[littlelabrynth]

I had posted about the sound in another thread along time ago. It took me a few minutes to locate it, but here is a link to a post of Dweisspt's from where he went back and checked what I posted and then said that he also heard a "ticking" sound.

http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1174591&postcount=61

[rvturnage]

I had posted about the sound in another thread along time ago. It took me a few minutes to locate it, but here is a link to a post of Dweisspt's from where he went back and checked what I posted and then said that he also heard a "ticking" sound.

http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1174591&postcount=61

Thanks for the link, LL. I hadn't heard that before. I'll see if I have that laying around and give it a listen.

[Danielsam]

I wonder what Ben was thinking when he see's Locke?

[rvturnage]

I wonder what Ben was thinking when he see's Locke?

talk about conflicted...on the one hand, Ben's glad to see him since Locke's trying to stop Jack from contacting the ship.

On the other hand he's thinking "Oh :censored:" because he tried to kill him and Jacob obviously had to have helped him get up and tell him where to go.

Funny stuff.

[Verite Garde]

Just assumed Jacob manifested a Walt hologram.

Me, too. It's Jacob.

[Found in the Land of Lost]

No rhyme or reason that I can see. Although I personally have put them in the same category as the Visions...after all, what is a mysterious whisper of unknown origin but an auditory hallucination? :)

I understand what Found was saying. But he was asking about Smokey sound and said that since he only heard whispers and not Smokey he would attribute Walt's appearance to remote viewing. Emily is pretty readily accepted as being a Smokey vision like Dead Anna, Yemmi, and the other people Eko saw. I was just pointing out that there was a connection between the Walt vision and the Emily vision...the whispers were heard before each, and that Emily couldn't be remote viewing since she was dead.

That's true about Emily. I guess that I've always thought that Walt had some abilities and that remote viewing or something of the sort was involved with his appearances (especially after Klugh's discussion about his specialness and questions about him showing up where he wasn't expected to, etc.). I was just curious as to whether the sounds accompanying the appearances of various people had any sort of pattern that might support my suspicions about Walt, to where we would think that he was just Smokie, but it ends up being something different.

Oh, and I happen to be a she. :D :Hippy:

[Ilovebeinglost]

Walt sure has grown a lot in only 90 days

[nakatazhai]

walt in season1
:coffeedunk:


walt in season3



big difference! why?

[interplanetjanet]

Because the actor grew. Since they have not worked out the details of the show for each future episode, much less dialogue, they did not film all possible future Walt scenes when he was younger.

*fastens belt, prepares for merge*

[juanbong]

The merge won't be too bumpy of a ride.

Thanks.

[MrSocko]

Because the actor grew. Since they have not worked out the details of the show for each future episode, much less dialogue, they did not film all possible future Walt scenes when he was younger.


Man, talk about lazy production! :rolleyez:

[rvturnage]

That's true about Emily. I guess that I've always thought that Walt had some abilities and that remote viewing or something of the sort was involved with his appearances (especially after Klugh's discussion about his specialness and questions about him showing up where he wasn't expected to, etc.). I was just curious as to whether the sounds accompanying the appearances of various people had any sort of pattern that might support my suspicions about Walt, to where we would think that he was just Smokie, but it ends up being something different.

Oh, and I happen to be a she. :D :Hippy:

My most humble apologies. :D

You're right, about Walt, and now I'm somewhat second guessing myself. It very well could be Walt doing just what Ms. Klugh said...I'm convinced that it was Michael in the coffin that Jack saw, and I'm toying with the idea that Walt went back to the island to help Locke and prevent everyone from leaving the island...in an attempt to prevent Michael from committing suicide. I'm not convinced this is what happened, just toying with the possiblity.

The whispers make me question this, though, since - like I said - we have whispers when Emily appears.
rvt

[scotpgot]

I LIKE that theory, Rv. I've said it before and I"ll say it again. I really like Walt, he seems to be in "tune" with the island more than ANYBODY, and I hope his existence becomes a major plot point in the show. That is all.

[Ekobomb]

Reverse steroids, anyone?

Haha Barry White... Walt's voice isn't that deep
"You've got work to do oooooooooooooo baaaaabyyyy..." (this is why Locke started smiling)

[MagneticLocke]

There's obviously something special about Walt and Locke has known this from the beginning. He first confided in Walt about his miracle cure, he told him that now creepy story about Backgammon (Or was it Othello?) considering what we saw in the caves, and he really kind of took him on as a father-figure. Walt also felt the connection with Locke and was always attracted to him in some sense. Sure, Smokey may have manifested itself as Walt but why Walt? What is it about Walt that Locke knows/feels? Those two have some strange and unknown connection and it's intritued me since the beginning.

[dharmaqueen]

Walts growth spurt could be a manifestation of the islands effect on testosterone. We could call it rapid puberty island.
Increase in testosterone could lead to:
1. Fact: Increased sperm counts in the men on the island
2. Increased aggression seen from the men (in both camps)
3. The women would be hairier, but hey this is TV and women don't get body hair on TV.
4. Walts rapid growth spurt. (Perhaps Karl is only 12 himself.)

[Hodgepodge]

Moving to the Malcolm David Kelley - Walt forum for further discussion.