Mikhail The Immortal?

[=Phoenix=]

It seems this guy is invincible. First we saw his brain get fried by an electric fence, then we see him get stabbed through the heart with arrow.
How is this guy still alive?
P.S. We still have no proof that the grenade killed him either.

[The artist formerly known]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6867118

When killing Charlie...Mikhail blew himself up with the grendade?

[=Phoenix=]

Dude I just made a thread about this.

[=Phoenix=]

They got merged >.>

[cinderellabop]

Merged.

[Ida Monster]

I'm just waiting for the fleshy zombie Mikhail bits to merge and reform like the Terminator.

[qwicmbl]

Yea he is a Russian beast! I thought everyone knew that he is brothers with the big friggin' Russian in Rocky IV....I distinctly heard him mumble his last words in the water before he blew the grenade. He looked right at Charlie smiled, and said, "I must break you!" Damn sneaky Russians!

I think he's dead this time though...

[=Phoenix=]

I dunno, it seems the island heals him a bit quicker than anyone else?

[WayneInNYC]

I'm in the camp of "The third time's the charm". Methinks he's fish food. (Dharma Shark, anyone?)

Hey THAT would be cool. He's seriously wounded and about to kill Desi as he tries to make it to the surface when BLAMMO - Mikhail chowed down on by the Dharma Shark.

[The artist formerly known]

Dude I just made a thread about this.


Sorry didn't see it, but I wonder where MSNBC gets there info. If he survives his brains getting fried, harpoon through the chest, why can't he put the grenade against the window begin to swim away the grenade will fall slowly and he survives.

[SunshineRecorder]

I am thinking we will learn he is the last surviving heir of Rasputin. :)

[=Phoenix=]

I dunno. It looked as though the grenade was still in his hand when it went off.

[HelpImLost]

He's got a patch, so he blew his eye out some time ago. He aint dead, but he cant regenerate organs.

[Hodgepodge]

Moving to the Redshirts and Other Characters forum for further discussion.

[sgtdraino]

Moving to the Redshirts and Other Characters forum for further discussion.

Can't you move it to the Mikhail Bakunin forum instead?

Mikhail, a character who's been on the show more than Danny Pickett, Richard Alpert, Naomi Dorrit, Karl, Anthony Cooper, and Bea Klugh, and just as many times as flight attendant Cindy, but unlike all those guys, still doesn't have his own forum!

[Hodgepodge]

We're going to rethink all of the characters and their particular subforums during the hiatus. Changes will be made! :)

[Warthawg1]

We're going to rethink all of the characters and their particular subforums during the hiatus. Changes will be made! :)


Hopefully this means moving the Cindy section to "Redshirts"

[Without Dane]

It sure looks like he's gonna be back. Seems like they are purposely setting up an invincible Mikhail and an ageless Alpert.

[Brian]

Mikhail, a character who's been on the show more than Danny Pickett, Richard Alpert, Naomi Dorrit, Karl, Anthony Cooper, and Bea Klugh, and just as many times as flight attendant Cindy, but unlike all those guys, still doesn't have his own forum!

Is there really that much to talk about.....about any of these characters for them to have their own forum? Personally I say no, but that's just me.

[9mile monster]

I'm rewatching this seasons episodes that I video taped. When watching Enter 77 (I think this is an important epi) I hear Mikail say this:

MIKHAIL: [Shouting from the window] I didn't cross the line! We had a truce! This is my land! You said I could stay here!

SAYID: [Still on ground, holding his arm, which is bleeding] I'm not...I'm not who you th...who you think I am! My name is Sayid Jarrah! I was on a plane that crashed here months ago!

MIKHAIL: A plane?



I think that this puts Mikail in the same category as Jacob. He says that he didn't cross the line. He must have an ashy line around his home somewhere. Also, when Kate was looking in his kitchen she sees some mason jars, two to be exact, on his kitchen counter. These are very similar to the mason jars in Jacob's house.

If it is an age thing, then Mikail is younger and more potent that Jacob. His mason jar liquid is darker. I don't know, not wanting to make it sound like I'm talking about his urine or semen (seamen, haha), the liquid in the jars could be his essence .................Ah, I'm not saying it right. But I hope you get my meaning.

[Hodgepodge]

...When watching Enter 77 (I think this is an important epi) I hear Mikail say this:


I think that this puts Mikail in the same category as Jacob. He says that he didn't cross the line. He must have an ashy line around his home somewhere. Also, when Kate was looking in his kitchen she sees some mason jars, two to be exact, on his kitchen counter. These are very similar to the mason jars in Jacob's house...Now I assumed he was talking about the line Mr. Friendly told the hunting party not to cross in the episode of the same name. I think it was all a ruse 9mile monster. Mikhail was aware of the Losties. He proved as much when he got them in his cabin. Plus, don't forget he had company. Ms. Klugh was there as well, and we know she knew who the Losties were.

[9mile monster]

My problem is that I forget where I've posted. Shucks.

Looks like we've got a reoccuring prop. The prop is the visual line around Jacob's house and a verbal line spoken about by Mr. Friendly in Hunting Party
MR. FRIENDLY: We've got a misunderstanding, Jack -- you're people, my people. So listen carefully. Right here there's a line. You cross that line, we go from misunderstanding to something else. Now give me your weapons, turn around, go home.

and Mikail's line that he did not cross. The other similarities between those two are that their places of residences are removed or out in the boondocks, away from the large group of Ben's people. I saw mason jars in Mikail's kitchen counter that were just like the mason jars on Jacob's window sill.

[john_locke]

Mikhail is more than just a Redshirt :mad:

[winkelman]

dude, if the arrow didn't kill him, a genade under water sure as hell won't.
he'll be back, i'm almost certain.

[Hodgepodge]

dude, if the arrow didn't kill him, a genade under water sure as hell won't.
he'll be back, i'm almost certain.Can you say, Michael Myers? :nanabobo:

[winkelman]

Can you say, Michael Myers? :nanabobo:

HAHA!! totally.

[Crow T. Robot]

OK. I have been rewatching season three and recently got to Patchy. Mikhail tells Sayid and Kate (and maybe Locke -- he might have been playing chess and sabotaging everyone else on the island, but what else is new) the story of the hostiles and DHARMA. In his story he mentions that the hostiles had been on this island before DHARMA. He then pauses and says "a long time before DHARMA." Now, we have a few things we can add to this equation and draw some conclusions (actual accuracy of conclusions may vary).

1. The hostiles were on the island a long time before DHARMA
2. Ben identifies the hostiles as the "original inhabitants of the island"
3. Black Rock dates back to the late 1800's
4. The ruins appear to date back centuries
5. Richard does not appear to have aged since the mid 1970's
6. Mikhail (like James Bond) has the nasty habit of surviving

Throw that all in a pot and you get a strong case for some kind of immortality. The question is... where does it come from?

Was Richard on the Black Rock, he and the rest of the crew got shipwrecked on Craphole Island and discoved some source of immortality. DHARMA shows up and threatens their existance, hence, the Purge?

Mikhail said he came to the island 11 years ago (which would be around 1993). So he did not (presumably) have immortality prior to this. So, immortality might be available somewhere on the island.

It doesn't appear to be inherent. It doesn't effect everyone. The pile of bodies is proof of that. Does Jacob choose who receives immortality? Is this why Locke could poke his leg with the needle and it didn't hurt? Is it why he can walk? Is it how he survived the gunshot from Ben?

I know most of this has been discussed, but its been a while so I'm just putting it all together in one place to see if it tells us anything?

Whadya think, kids?

[9mile monster]

Crow T Robot, Thanks for your post. It has got me to think about Lost again, something that I have not been doing, and even avoiding these past months. ( note to TPTB: Ehh, let's get on with the show already.)

Immortality.

I was starting to consider the air itself and the amount of time people have breathed it in that would alter their life spans and immortality. AnnaL and Libby were inside the hatch away from the direct island atmosphere when they died. The people during the purge had the air poisoned by the gas when they died. Charlie and the LG twins were underwater and had their air diluted by a ventilation system, but the truth is out still on their death. Shannon died during a rain storm, that momentarily flooded and diluted the atmosphere. The people from the 815 died because they hadn't absorbed enough of the island air yet or at all. Boone could be dead because he hadn't been on the island long enough.

But then I thought about Goodwin and Ethan, Eko, Danny and Coleen. Why did they die? The atmosphere is not the answer.

ETA: I just had a thought about the ancient people. Where are they? Did they die or did they just leave. Maybe immortality is not the answere, an extended lifespan, probably, but not living for ever.

[winkelman]

Crow T Robot, Thanks for your post. It has got me to think about Lost again, something that I have not been doing, and even avoiding these past months. ( note to TPTB: Ehh, let's get on with the show already.)

Immortality.

I was starting to consider the air itself and the amount of time people have breathed it in that would alter their life spans and immortality. AnnaL and Libby were inside the hatch away from the direct island atmosphere when they died. The people during the purge had the air poisoned by the gas when they died. Charlie and the LG twins were underwater and had their air diluted by a ventilation system, but the truth is out still on their death. Shannon died during a rain storm, that momentarily flooded and diluted the atmosphere. The people from the 815 died because they hadn't absorbed enough of the island air yet or at all. Boone could be dead because he hadn't been on the island long enough.

But then I thought about Goodwin and Ethan, Eko, Danny and Coleen. Why did they die? The atmosphere is not the answer.

ETA: I just had a thought about the ancient people. Where are they? Did they die or did they just leave. Maybe immortality is not the answere, an extended lifespan, probably, but not living for ever.

nice! i'd have to almost agree with ya. But when Locke did his "spiritual wigwam hut thing, Boone said he was a "sacrifice the island demanded."
........but he still may have lived if the island didn't want him.

???????

[sgtdraino]

Mikhail is more than just a Redshirt :mad:

Amen, brutha. Can't we have a Mikhail forum?

Can you say, Michael Myers? :nanabobo:

Whaddaya say Hodge? Can't you pull a few strings? Help a one-eyed brutha out.

[Hodgepodge]

I think you guys are on to something! :scratchch Maybe we can combine elements from both of your posts, and come up with a coherent and feasible theory.

When Ben identified the "hostiles" as the original inhabitants of the island, I think he was talking about the crew of the Black Rock. I have no problem believing both Richard and Jacob were members of that crew.

There were more inhabitants than just Richard and Ben who survived the purge. I remember several people removing gas masks on that day. As you mention Crow T. Robot, "Richard does not appear to have aged since the mid 1970s." I bet if we could identify the others who survived, it would be the same. Were they also "hostiles" from the Black Rock? I think that's a great possibility.

The idea of the air and the longevity on the island being contributing factors to the "hostiles" immortality rings true. I'd like to add the water supply to the equation.

I also think DHARMA's arrival threatened this immortality. Destroying the land with their building projects. How many rivers and streams did they divert or redirect from their normal course? Bringing their cars and other machinery to pollute the air. Wasn't it Locke who rebuked Ben for not living true to the islands code?

There is a negative to this longevity, infertility. Bens' DHARMA extermination plan and his promise to solve this problem are factors that keep him in power.

[Crow T. Robot]

I think that a "fountain of immortality" is possible. I think maybe being on Jacob's list might also factor in. It could be why Ben is so shaken. I just rewatched the episode where Locke blows up the Galaga. Locke has a conversation with Ben during which he talks with him about how Ben isn't recovering as quickly as he thought. Locke even poses the question "how did you get sick in the first place?" Maybe Ben fell out of favor with Jacob?

Thoughts?

[Hodgepodge]

I think that a "fountain of immortality" is possible. I think maybe being on Jacob's list might also factor in. It could be why Ben is so shaken. I just rewatched the episode where Locke blows up the Galaga. Locke has a conversation with Ben during which he talks with him about how Ben isn't recovering as quickly as he thought. Locke even poses the question "how did you get sick in the first place?" Maybe Ben fell out of favor with Jacob?

Thoughts?I wonder if Ben's illness was a result of being out of favor with Jacob? Remember how shocked he was when Juliet told him he had a tumor? Then, along comes Locke who miraculously regained the use of his legs when he crashed. This gives a whole new meaning to the conversation between Ben and Locke, while the former was locked in the hatche's armory. "I came for you, John!"

I've gone back and forth about the relationship between Ben and Jacob. It's obvious they're on the outs, but I'm not sure when this occurred.

One mind has this happening a long time before the Losties arrived. What could've happened to spoil this bond? Although, it's obvious Ben's taken advantage of the situation. There's no doubt in my mind, Ben's interjected his own agenda to the "Others".

This split could've happened when Locke crashed on the island. Something gave him back his mobility, why not the Jacob/the Island. In return, this entity has been drawing Locke towards it. Lets not forget what Jacob asked him face-to-face. "Help!"

[9mile monster]

I think that longevity and infertility go hand in hand. Just think if people lived a long time and babies were still being made then the world would become so over populated. So the long people live the less likely they should keep procreating. There's just so many places the world has to be filled up.

[Hodgepodge]

I think that longevity and infertility go hand in hand. Just think if people lived a long time and babies were still being made then the world would become so over populated. So the long people live the less likely they should keep procreating. There's just so many places the world has to be filled up.It's the old adage, "The Lord Gives and the Lord Takes Away!"

Makes perfect sense 9Mile Monster. :wave2:

[ZIA]

I wonder if Ben's illness was a result of being out of favor with Jacob? Remember how shocked he was when Juliet told him he had a tumor? Then, along comes Locke who miraculously regained the use of his legs when he crashed. This gives a whole new meaning to the conversation between Ben and Locke, while the former was locked in the hatche's armory. "I came for you, John!"


Hodge! So this is where you've been hiding. ;)

I completely agree with you regarding Ben's illness. Also, someone in the rewatch mentioned that Locke looked to Bens' nightstand at glasses that were there. Why would Ben need glasses? Clearly, Ben is astonished that his recovery is taking longer than he had anticipated.

[Crow T. Robot]

So, if that is the case, then we are connecting the dots between immortality/health/healing and Jacob's favor or "Jacob's List." Which is probably why "God loves you as He loved Jacob" is part of the indoctination.

[Hodgepodge]

Hodge! So this is where you've been hiding. ;)

I completely agree with you regarding Ben's illness. Also, someone in the rewatch mentioned that Locke looked to Bens' nightstand at glasses that were there. Why would Ben need glasses? Clearly, Ben is astonished that his recovery is taking longer than he had anticipated.Have you been looking for me ZIA? :nanabobo: I really miss you guys at the Hiatus Rewatch forum, along with rewatching the episodes. :( There's just not enough hours in the day.

So, if that is the case, then we are connecting the dots between immortality/health/healing and Jacob's favor or "Jacob's List." Which is probably why "God loves you as He loved Jacob" is part of the indoctination.ZIA and CTR, you think we can formulate a theory separating immortality, health, and healing?

Does "island birth" constitute immortality? I think if we agree Richard was born on the island, that's a possibility. Remember we all agree, this guy hasn't aged in 30+ years. Or, better yet, doesn't appear to have aged in 30+ years.

Is there a direct correlation between time spent on the island and a persons health? Has anyone really been sick? I can't remember! Granted Ben is persona non grata as far as Jacob is concerned, but again, we all have to agree when Juliet told him he had a tumor he was shocked. Maybe shocked isn't the right word. He had a look like, 'that can't happen here!'

Does your residency on Craphole Island promote healing? We only have to point to Locke, who spent the last four years in a wheelchair. Rose who had six months, maybe a year to live. Who's now, according to her, cancer free. And, lets not forget Jin, who couldn't get his wife pregnant due to low sperm count. Now, on the island, he's Supersperman! :)

Where do we place our gratitude for these phenomenal mysteries? The Island? Jacob and/or the List? "Smokie"? All of the forementioned? :confused:

[ZIA]

Have you been looking for me ZIA? :nanabobo: I really miss you guys at the Hiatus Rewatch forum, along with rewatching the episodes. :( There's just not enough hours in the day.

ZIA and CTR, you think we can formulate a theory separating immortality, health, and healing?



Of course I've been looking for you, Hodge! We miss you too. :awwhug:

Okay, here's the issue.

I've been trying to remember if anyone has been ill too, but I think not.
I haven't seen anyone ill other than already mentioned or the Losties. (Aaron, but that was a ruse.)

However, we have seen them die. Also, didn't Alex mention that Ben would 'kill her boyfriend'? Can I assume he was also born on the Island?

[ozanna]

Can I assume he was also born on the Island?
I have an idea he told Sawyer he was born on the island Zia. When they were on the boat back from Alcatraz and Karl and Sawyer had their tete-a-tete when Carl was crying, and he was telling Sawyer about lying in their back-yards looking at the stars. He also said he'd never heard of "The Brady Bunch !" I think that just about explains it !

[Hodgepodge]

...However, we have seen them die. Also, didn't Alex mention that Ben would 'kill her boyfriend'? Can I assume he was also born on the Island?

I have an idea he told Sawyer he was born on the island Zia. When they were on the boat back from Alcatraz and Karl and Sawyer had their tete-a-tete when Carl was crying, and he was telling Sawyer about lying in their back-yards looking at the stars. He also said he'd never heard of "The Brady Bunch !" I think that just about explains it !I've been thinking about the island's death toll. We've lost a lot of survivors these three seasons. Can we contribute this to them not being on the island long enough? As 9Mile Monster proposes, the island's air has the qualities of immortality, health, and healing. I added the island's water supply to the equation.

Is it as simple as not putting yourself in harms way? Maybe nothing could've prevented Boone's death. None of the "Others" bodies were found in the wreckage of the Beechcraft. Were they just smart to stay away? Was Shannon's death preventable? Ana-Lucia carrying a loaded gun while scared out of her mind was a contributing factor.

Have we forgotten about the women who have died trying to give birth? How many did Juliet say there were? And, I've always assumed these women were born on the island. Maybe living an unencumbered life, away from the stresses of the real world is really the culprit we're looking for. :confused:

I also took Carl's comment about his demise as a figure of speech. Sorta like, "if I don't get home, the wife's going to kill me." JMO! :nanabobo:

[ZIA]

I was thinking more about the Others; Goodwin, Ethan, Colleen, and Miss Klugh; of which the majority were shot.

Are you suggesting that the 'Hostiles' or Richard's people may have found some source of immortality on the island?

I sure as hell don't think Shannon was anywhere near the list, as much as she could be included on it. LOL :) ...And come on Hodge!, we all know Boone was a 'sacrifice the Island demanded'. ;)

[Hodgepodge]

I was thinking more about the Others; Goodwin, Ethan, Colleen, and Miss Klugh; of which the majority were shot.

Are you suggesting that the 'Hostiles' or Richard's people may have found some source of immortality on the island?...You know ZIA, I'm going to request some screencaps of TMBtC. Remember the scene after Ben gases his father? He goes back to Othersville where he's met by Richard and some other Hostiles wearing gas masks. I'd like to know if we've seen those other survivors since. :confused: I'd like to know whether Goodwin, Ethan, et al were among them.


ETA: Here's the link (http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1948055&postcount=939) to the caps I requested, and there nothing there. :(

[ZIA]

Good call! We didn't get a shot of anyone closer than that? Damn.
Those are really good screencaps though.

[friendly eyeball]

if you want to truly kill Mikhail, here is what you must do:

first: using a sharp object, remove his heart from the body
then: using same sharp object, detatch head from body
finally: ensure the heart, head, torso are a safe distance apart and burn until nothing remains but ash. spread some ashes on the land; put some into the water (moving water preferably); lock some ashes away in a safe deposit box.

follow up: find yourself a god - find yourself several gods; pray to them all. just incase Mikhail survives all this, keep iced tea and a chessboard on hand - these may help pacify MB/42.

[ZIA]

I agree, Friendly eyeball. That's the best post I've read all day! :D