View Full Version : Hiatus Rewatch #3 (06/17/09 - 06/23/09)-S1E12 : Whatever The Case May Be
This is the discussion thread for the LOST-TV Hiatus Rewatch - Season 1 Episode 12 , "Whatever The Case May Be"
Written by : Damon Lindelof & Jennifer Johnson
The original (or as close to original as exists) thread for this episode can be found here (http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6148).
General questions about the LOST-TV Hiatus Rewatch can be posted in the LOST-TV Hiatus Rewatch thread (http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=37370).
Episode Description:
Sawyer and Kate fight over a Halliburton case. The tide rises, forcing the beach camp to move. Jack tries to learn to trust Kate. Shannon and Sayid bond over Rousseau's maps.
I have a problem with Kate's fbs in this one. Maybe someone can help me make more sense of them. If her old boyfriend is dead already, which he must be if she's going after the plane, there are already a lot of Marshalls after her. We saw in S3 her go try to visit her mom with Cassie's help, before her mom was sick and Tom tried to help her visit her mom at the hospital and died, and at that point there were already Marshalls actually staking out her Mom's house. So now with Tom's death it must be even worse and yet she decides to rob a bank to get a plane? That seems a big risk. Yes, I know it belonged to Tom but still. And what on earth was it doing in a safe deposit box?
During the bank robbery a big guy on the floor tries to intervene and he slides the gun to Kate. She pretends to try to shoot and gets pulled away by the robbers to be used as a hostage. Now was the big guy part of the plan? Otherwise it seems a bit too convenient.
I liked Rose and Charlie's interactions and Sawyer as always was awesome. Shannon didn't bother me in this one, I actually felt a little bad for her. That's all for now :)
Hodgepodge
07-18-07, 05:56 PM
I have a problem with Kate's fbs in this one. Maybe someone can help me make more sense of them. If her old boyfriend is dead already, which he must be if she's going after the plane, there are already a lot of Marshalls after her. We saw in S3 her go try to visit her mom with Cassie's help, before her mom was sick and Tom tried to help her visit her mom at the hospital and died, and at that point there were already Marshalls actually staking out her Mom's house. So now with Tom's death it must be even worse and yet she decides to rob a bank to get a plane? That seems a big risk. Yes, I know it belonged to Tom but still. And what on earth was it doing in a safe deposit box?..."...So, I tell her that I've got whats-him-name's little toy airplane in a safe deposit box in New Mexico. So, she somehow figures out which bank, which safe deposit box. She seduces some idiot to rob the damn bank, and then she puts a bullet in her new friend because she's done using him. But she leaves all the money. She just takes the plane because that's the one thing in the whole world that Kate does care about..." This is the Marshal's story to the Australian Official at the Sydney airport before flight 815 departs.
So Catnap, to go along with your bewilderment is the fact the Marshal is the one who put the plane in that safety depost box. Why wasn't that bank under strict surveillance? There's no way Kate should've gotten within a 100 yards of that bank without every police official being alerted.
And, it's never been hinted to that Kate and the robbers had another accomplice. I think, as you mention, it was just a way to get that gun into her hands, and to play out the rest of the con.
Thanks Hodge! I don't remember that part at all with the Marshal saying he was the one to put it there. But as you point out why set her up with that and not guard the bank if that's the only thing she cares about? They sure managed to have a lot of people at her Mom's on the off chance she showed up there!
PS what was she doing with the client key to the safe deposit box? Argggg
Hodgepodge
07-18-07, 11:32 PM
...PS what was she doing with the client key to the safe deposit box? ArggggThis is one of the many $64,000 questions posed by Lost. :nanabobo:
When she forces the bank manager to box 815, he says it requires two keys. She shows him she's got a key. "If you had the customer key, why would you need..." "I'm not on the signatory card."
If you assume the Marshal signed the sig card, that still doesn't explain how she had the second key, knew the particular bank, and safety deposit box. Unless!
I can imagine him having her in custody again. Kate using her femine wilds to lure him to remove the cuffs for a little roll in the hay. She getting the drop on him and using his own gun in her escape.This is an excerpt from our discussion of the Tabula Rasa episode. Remember how that thread turned to a possible tete-a-tete between the two of them? This has to be the way she got the key, bank, and box number. What you bet? :nanabobo:
Both of you already watched? Damn it! :D I'll catch up later!
11Rooster11
07-19-07, 02:34 AM
Wow this episode was a real stinker :poop:. There was very little that advanced the story IMO.
1) Now they have guns
2) Boone & Jonh are on to something (already knew that)
3) Frenchy is about as whacked as we thought
Unless the toy plane or some of that backstory gets really important this episode seemed like filler to me.
I guess the best part was Sawyer & Kate swimming. Kate looked great, and I've determined that female viewers kinda dig that Sawyer guy.
Unless the toy plane or some of that backstory gets really important this episode seemed like filler to me.
I guess the best part was Sawyer & Kate swimming. Kate looked great, and I've determined that female viewers kinda dig that Sawyer guy.
I agree. Definitely the swim scene was the best. I do LOVE Sawyer! Otherwise I can't give this episode too high a rating.
By the way, where is MrSocko with the polls?
This is an excerpt from our discussion of the Tabula Rasa episode. Remember how that thread turned to a possible tete-a-tete between the two of them? This has to be the way she got the key, bank, and box number. What you bet? :nanabobo:
There could be something to this. Also she obviously seduced the guy that helped rob the bank. I like Kate's character so I hate to think she is sleeping with everyone to get what she wants. Wait, that is what Sawyer does and I love him anyway. OK no double standards!
I actually love the fact that Kate is such a "gangsta". She's a far better con-artist that Sawyer. She's so clever and all of her little "details" just seal the deal for me. Everything was completely pre-meditated.
I give her kudos for being so ingeniusly twisted. This episode is why I started to love Kate so much. Evil and vulnerable. Excellent combo.
This is also the episode that I thought (besides Sawyer being the hottest babe on t.v. ever-IMO.) that Sawyer was one of the best characters on LOST. Josh Holloway just digs in for this whole episode. I love how he truly embraces Sawyer and runs with it. "What? You smell blood on the wind?" Classic!
Let's talk about the "tide shifting so suddenly" and "rising in such short of a time." Hmm...
I also love Sun eavesdropping...little English-speaking liar! :)
...and now they have guns.
Yep Sawyer sure is a looker :) and I love his character. JH plays it so well. This episode seems to be about break-ins. Sawyer is trying to break into the Haliburton case; Kate is breaking into a bank; Locke and Boone are trying to break into the Hatch. Along the sames lines, Kate and Jack are digging up a grave to get the key to the Haliburton. All of the aforementioned involve guns.
This episode also seems to zoom in on how deceptive Kate is. She has presumably deceived the marshall; and definitely her fellow bank robbers, the bank employee and the customers, she won't tell Sawyer or Jack about the case. She deceives Jack by palming the key.
Jack is looking for the truth. Sawyer speaks of Kate's deceptive abilities, well, he tells Jack she will lie. Jack quite a few times during the episode asks Kate for the truth or something real. Her final answer was so sad.
The swimming scene was so great. It looked like they were actually having fun but this is Lost, and the fun would seemingly be interrupted by a couple of skeletons. Well we think that for a few minutes. Yet immediately it's back to business for Kate and Sawyer and they go about diving for the Haliburton.
About those skeletons, did anyone think they resembled Kate and the Marshall? There were no handcuffs, but the man had his hand on the woman's wrist and of course, he had the case.
I agree not a whole lot happening here, but I enjoyed seeing it again--if for nothing else, the swimming scene.
This wasn't one of my favourite eps because I don't like Kate and I find it hard to find many redeeming qualities in her. At the beginning her and Sawyer did seem to be having fun in the pool, particularly Sawyer, but Kate always has to have that defensive attitude - just loosen up and have a bit of fun occasionally, Kate.
Laughed at Sawyer's comment -
"You some sort of no fun, navel-gazing, mopey type ?"
Yes, Sawyer, she is ! Finding the bodies put a bit of a dark cloud on the frolicking, and Kate as usual demanding that Sawyer give the Haliburton to her. Kate have you not got it yet, Sawyer is a stubborn SOB, and in the long run its easier not to argue with or oppose him - annoying but he is a tease, and she falls for it every time. When he refuses to give the case to her she just walks off as if she doesn't care - no way !!!!
Later she sneaks into his tent where he is sleeping with the case between his knee. She jumps on him and tries to grab the case and then, hilariously, snarls "Get off me" to which Sawyer replies with a smirk "Golly I hate to bicker about positions, sweetheart, but I think you're the one on top !"
Jack and Sayid discussing the extremely high tide and Jack wanting everyone to move to the caves. Already I think that Sayid is beginning to arc up against Jack wanting everyone to do his bidding all the time. With regard to Rousseau Sayid appears to be reluctant to discuss her with Jack and the fact that there maybe others on the island. Does he just really not want Jack to get involved. Hence his reluctance to get the French documents translated. However he approaches Shannon when she is sunbathing and tries to persuade her, eventually successfully. He is patient and gentle with her which kind of foreshadows their future (short lived) liaison. Shannon again repeats the mantra that she is completely useless.
Sawyer and his determination to open the Haliburton - did I mention he is stubborn ! - Hurley and Michael both have a chuckle over it, which just makes Sawyer all the more determined. He eventually chucks it over a cliff, and guess who comes scampering up and grabs it - Kate ! Sawyer chases her through the jungle and his long legs soon catch up to her and he gets the case back. She again just walks off as if she doesn't care. Well, well, well -she goes straight to Jack, and they dig up the marshall and get the key - I glossed over that a bit because it actually made me feel queasy!
Jack tries to blackmail Sawyer into giving him the case by saying he will withhold Sawyer's meds for the knife wound and Sawyer will die a miserable death. Sawyer gives Jack the case without too much fuss, I think he is bored by the whole thing now, but he warns Jack not to trust her not that I think he ever did anyway. This is the latest example of Jack determined to get the upper hand over Sawyer, but quite often Sawyer appears to win anyway. Must be his attitude.
Jack and Kate open the case and get the guns and ammo, and Kate gets her precious toy plane, and I can't believe they gave her a whole fb about a toy plane. I thought everything except the fbs was quite interesting.
Charlie, miserable and confiding in Rose who is really starting to remind me of Mother Abigail. Locke and his disciple Boone. Sayid is already starting to look more intelligent than Jack. Come to think of it, so is Sawyer !
Hope this didn't get too long winded.
Darkrogue
07-19-07, 11:28 AM
Well, this wasn’t one of my favorites, either, although I liked Kate at this point. It was still good, though, just one of the weaker of the set (I didn’t hate any S1 episodes).
I do love the Kate/Sawyer interactions in this one—at once playful and serious. Both are manipulative and conniving. Kate in particular really displays her manipulative nature in this episode (which is mirrored through the events in the flashbacks). Really, Kate, Sawyer and Jack are pretty manipulative, as even Jack uses his own hold over Sawyer (ala the antibiotics) to retrieve the case for Kate. Then, in his arrogance, he keeps the key himself.
I am going to take a wild guess that this was the episode that prompted the birth of ASK. ;)
Observations:
“Me Kate. Me throw rock.” Favorite line of the whole episode. :D
Was I the only one disappointed that Kate took off her pants to go swimming—and Sawyer didn’t? Perhaps he goes commando….
I always wondered why Kate did not simply tell Sawyer that the case was hers.
The appearance of those guns really intensified the general mood of distrust among the Losties, eh? Like ZIA, I love the detail of Sun in the background during the Kate/Jack conversation regarding the guns’ existence. That dramatic irony (that we know she understands them) adds to what made this show so much fun early on.
The flashbacks were not my favorite, although I did enjoy learning that she was the mastermind all along. Even if I did suspect she was involved somehow, anyway.
Sawyer attempting to break open the case reminded me of the gorilla in the old Samsonite commercial (anyone remember that one?). The montage of him trying over and over again and finally dropping it from the tree, is priceless. And then Kate comes along and snags it. They’re like children—another layer of irony, considering the murderous and criminal histories of both characters.
More of Jack’s arrogance. I understand his frustration at being used (which he was), but I disliked his overbearing way of handling the situation.
As catnap mentioned, Shannon finally gets to display some depth and likability here. Her exchanges with Sayid are good. It seems he is the only person to actually get something “real” and not shallow out of her. I actually felt bad for her: she was making a real effort, until she was discouraged by Sayid’s ‘nonsense’ comment. Still, she came to Sayid with a sort of “peace offering” and song at the end. She’s not as cold as she lets on.
Rose and Charlie: she knows how to talk sense into him. His mopey broodiness wasn’t helping anyone (least of all himself). The scene with them praying together was lovely (I think I teared up a little the first time—shh! Don’t tell anyone! :shhh: ).
Rose rocks. She knows a wounded soul when she sees one.
11Rooster11
07-19-07, 01:24 PM
Well, this wasn’t one of my favorites, either, although I liked Kate at this point. It was still good, though, just one of the weaker of the set (I didn’t hate any S1 episodes).
Rose and Charlie: she knows how to talk sense into him. His mopey broodiness wasn’t helping anyone (least of all himself). The scene with them praying together was lovely (I think I teared up a little the first time—shh! Don’t tell anyone! :shhh: ).
Rose rocks. She knows a wounded soul when she sees one.
What is the world coming to? :eye-poppi We agree twice in a week.
I wasn't trying to say that this episode was bad TV; just that IMO it didn't live up to the high standards of LOST.
The scenes with Rose and Charlie were some of the better ones in the episode, and you know my feelings for Charlie. For me to say that speaks volumes on the relative strength of the episode.
Darkrogue
07-19-07, 01:49 PM
What is the world coming to? :eye-poppi We agree twice in a week.
:D
:Cheers:
I tells ya, Armageddon is nigh.
Seriously, I know what you mean, especially about the episode not necessarily being bad TV. As far as Lost goes (especially S1), even the weaker episodes were quite good when compared to just about anything else on television.
And as for Charlie, I think he is more interesting when the writers focus upon aspects such as his religion, rather than the addiction (which they never seemed to be able to tear themselves away from). I'll be the first to admit he's a fool, and his character has also suffered from dismal writing at times.
Then again, I think most of our complaints concerning any of the characters can be credited to the writing. ;)
It's amazing how the writing can be so wonderful and then so...err...sucky, for lack of a better word.
A large part of the problem is that Lost set the bar so high. They ingrained such high expectations within the show's core audience, so we expect consistency in that standard.
jane_eire
07-19-07, 02:52 PM
Me Kate, Me Throw Rock.
We were tipped off in the first flashback - at the end, Kate goes down to the floor of the bank, and we see her face reflected off the floor - making her "two-faced". Reflections are all important!
Nice observation, I did not pick up on any significance there although I noticed the reflection!
thatbutton
07-19-07, 08:34 PM
I always wondered why Kate did not simply tell Sawyer that the case was hers.
DarkRogue, she did tell him that at first, but then he figured out it wasn't hers.
KATE: Help me get that case.
SAWYER: Oh, I'm disgusting, but you're not?
KATE: It's mine.
[They dive under and struggle a bit to get the case which Sawyer pulls free.]
SAWYER [handing Kate the case]: Wouldn't happen to have your key on you would you? [Kate looks the case over] That case ain't yours, is it?
11Rooster11
07-19-07, 08:51 PM
DarkRogue, she did tell him that at first, but then he figured out it wasn't hers.
I took "It's mine" to be Kate's way of claiming it. Like saying "I got dibs on it."
ozchick
07-20-07, 12:15 AM
I took very few notes rewatching this ep. I enjoyed the frolic in the water scene very much as well, and was also disappointed Sawyer only took off his shirt. ;)
I love Rose. I always have, and my love for her grows with each ep she is in.
This episode had two absolutely gorgeous sunset shots.
Only one Sawyer nickname (Daddy: Michael) but interesting to note is that at one point Sawyer actually calls Jack by his name, rather than Doc or a nickname.
... We were tipped off in the first flashback - at the end, Kate goes down to the floor of the bank, and we see her face reflected off the floor - making her "two-faced". Reflections are all important!
Interesting observation. For me, I thought it was more mirroring for Season 3 when Kate's reflection can be seen through the glass where Jack is being held captive.
jane_eire
07-20-07, 01:04 PM
whispers
dasmarinas
07-21-07, 05:19 AM
When Sawer said I had girls like you. KATE said not just like ME
But my question is.. IS TOM really dead or is he waiting for her to return after talking to Jack.. Remember KATE ran away when she wreked the car and TOM was shot , so did he really die.
That is an excellent question
I think he really died, but it's LOST; so anything can happen, right? ;)
Hodgepodge
07-24-07, 06:47 PM
...IS TOM really dead or is he waiting for her to return after talking to Jack.. Remember KATE ran away when she wreked the car and TOM was shot , so did he really die.I've always felt he was dead too. "...This belonged to her childhood sweetheart who she got killed a couple of years ago when she was on the run..." The Marshal was telling the Airport Official why he was carrying a toy plane with his other belongings.
dasmarinas
07-26-07, 04:02 AM
I've always felt he was dead too. "...This belonged to her childhood sweetheart who she got killed a couple of years ago when she was on the run..." The Marshal was telling the Airport Official why he was carrying a toy plane with his other belongings.
I remember that also. But I still have my doubts.
Black Manta
08-13-07, 08:21 AM
I feel that Kate's story might have been changed from what it first was intented to be. At the end when she fesses up that the plane belong to the man she loved and killed it really seemed to me that Tom was the murder she was on the run from. And I really got to question the marshall's plan or tactics. Why put a toy plane in a safe deposit box in New Mexico? And why would Kate go after it? I really think Kate's backstory is really the weakest of all the characters.
Darkrogue
08-13-07, 10:58 AM
I feel that Kate's story might have been changed from what it first was intented to be. At the end when she fesses up that the plane belong to the man she loved and killed it really seemed to me that Tom was the murder she was on the run from. And I really got to question the marshall's plan or tactics. Why put a toy plane in a safe deposit box in New Mexico? And why would Kate go after it? I really think Kate's backstory is really the weakest of all the characters.
You are right about her story having been changed, at least to an extent. We do know that Kate was originally intended to be the leader of the group (not Jack). I think a lot of the reason her flashbacks seem weak/inconsistent are because they’ve tried to retain and adjust as much of it as possible to fit the scenario they now have. They still want to retain as many elements as they can of their original plan, but have difficulty doing so because of her adjusted role.
That’s my take on it, anyhow. (We’ve been discussing this extensively in another thread, in fact). ;)
Hodgepodge
08-16-07, 04:32 PM
Black Manta and Darkrogue, I'd love to have an opportunity to read her original character outline. Oh, to have been a fly on the wall. :)
sweetsunray
10-24-07, 04:04 PM
All in all I found this episode kindof a let down. When I first saw it I'd expected to learn more about Kate's past, other than the fact that she goes to great lengths to acquire a toyplane (an emotional thing to hang onto), manipulative, and knows how to handle agun. The manipulativeness we could have learned on-island, and the toyplane as well. The bank robbery FB told us nothing particular except that she robbed a bank. It was just drawn out too long imo for its actual content.
Also I felt surprised they seemed to have forgotten all about Claire right after what happened in the previous epi. But we do learn it's been four days now, and the end of the previous epi shows at least the intention of looking for Claire the day after. Of course the rain washed out all the tracks, Charlie remembers nothing and isn't much of a help, and after several days I suppose the Losties faced reality and gave up: they weren't going to find Claire under the present circumstances.
I did find Sawyer very amusing in trying to break the case (as stubborn as Jack it seems), and yeah that swim scene was great and appropriately Lost-dark.
On island we get to see that both Sawyer and Jack are very much interested to know more about Kate, and they both use questionable tactics to find out and breach her privacy. Sawyer keeps a case to himself that he knows probably belongs more to Kate than to him (well the case isn't hers, but some of the content is), and Jack interrogates her about it. Wonder how Sawyer would have reacted if he had seen all she was interested in was a toyplane. And with both men Kate uses questionable tactics in order to acquire the toyplane without having to tell them.
I don't fidn Sawyer's sexual innuendo remarks to Kate all that funny, really. Makes me wonder whether he knows any other way to talk to women other than that.
One could say that Sawyer has as many right to hold on to the case as much as Jack holds on to the key to the case, because both retrieved the case for her. With that difference: Sawyer helped to retrieve it without saying beforehand he'd help her only if they would open the case together and he was only to retrieve it from the bottom of a well. In the case of Jack, Kate asked Jack to help her steal it away from Sawyer, to dig up the body of the Marshall he had "euthanized" and Jack agreed to help her under the condition they'd open it together. She asked a lot more of Jack and had even given him motivation to acquire the content of the case -- the guns. Perhaps some think Jack had no right to make his help conditional. I don't see why not. He didn't bargain for possessions, or something amoral. If it's their mutual problem and they both work together to get the case, then it's not the end of the world to open it together as well. More, it shows he doesn't want to keep the content to himself, but imo that he does want to work together from the get go till the end, prove to Kate she can trust him. When she does the trick to make the key disappear, she disappoints Jack, not only in proving to him his own mistrust in her (which I think he hoped to be disproved) but proving she does not trust him. It has nothing to do with arrogance imo.
Notice the parallel on how Jack starts with Sawyer to acquire the case in a similar manner as Hurlkey approached him for the manifest. But here Jack shows he thinks he needs to acquire stuff from Sawyer through blackmail, and one that is deeply disturbing: over medicine. Hmmm, he'll use his medical blackmail tactics with Ben as well. Anyway, still shows he thinks of Sawyer as a parasite rather than a member he could live in symbiosis with, and Kate who knows better abused that knowledge for hr own gains, and in that sense helped to keep Jack in the dark much longer about Sawyer. Oh, and did I mention that I dislike Kate here for adding to the triangle situation here, using both boys liking her for her own purposes. Sawyer's two lines at the end though would make Jack understand he's underestimating Sawyer's group potential: he gives handsome and sportive advice about both the case and Kate. Ironically, Jack already knows Kate's been lying and two-timing them. He should do more than just question Kate after this, but he is already under her spell of damsel in distress, because he still tries to protect her from Sawyer's influence afterwards, and well wants to hold on to his bargain with Kate and opens it together with her, despite her lies. I know that several find that arrogant of Jack: the sign of "see, I'm still holding to my end of the bargain, while you didn't." To me it only shows he IS a better person in terms of holding to you part of the bargain.
I see Sayid's reluctance about Danielle and her maps as a reflection of his emotional state. He hadn't planned to come back, didn't plan to be someone the Losties rely on anymore. He wants to become a redshirt. He's as much a broken man when he returns as when he left. And he wriggles against any prodding to push him back into the helping position. And I thought Jack was quite right to point out Charlie and how they needed help in order to get a new lead on where Claire could be. At least Jack managed to get Sayid out of his general apathy with that who at his own initiative moves Shannon into a position of more intiative, which leads to her own path of redemption.
The guns and Jack not telling it to Sayid and Locke before the threat of Ethan. I understand he didn't tell everyone, but it could be argued he'd at least tell his sergeants. But who of the sergeants is left at the time of finding them? Sayid wants to be left alone on the beach and tells Jack in no uncertain terms he doesn't want to help. Locke's gone with Boone all the time. Hurley freaks even at the sight of a gun, and though a helper he never really involves himself in the general camp and crisis discussions. Sawyer's not a sergeant yet. There's only Kate left, and she knows.
Boone and Locke: while Locke's probably the best man left to find tracking leads to Claire he's digging up a hatch. Btw I think this was a find that would have interested those who were looking for Claire a great deal, and Jack would have been open-minded about it at the time. At least it was a sign of there being more than a nutcase frenchwoman stranded on the island and a feral killer, a sign of a comprehensive group that at least once had control over the island and perhaps still had it. The hatch wasn't something built from palm leaves, straw and plane pieces. And it might have given them the idea that Claire might be kept inside a well hidden building. And she was. I still don't understand why Locke thought he needed to keep it an active secret. He could have told Jack easily enough he stumbled upon it during the search, that it was proof of life on the island other than accidentally crashed there. But he was so wrapped up in his mind with the idea that he had found it based on his gut and the guidance of supernatural resources he couldn't think outside his own box to come up with a story to tell Jack in a way the science man would be open-minded to it.
"We have a problem? Or you have a problem?" Jack's learning fast. So, his suspicion in the previous epi was unwarranted for, but here he's right on the money. He instantly recognizes Kate might want to use him. And well that's exactly what she wants to do, using the not-so-good feelings between Jack and Sawyer for her own purposes.
The scene where Jack harrangues Kate is heartbreaking. Oh gosh, he makes Kate cry. And she's actually telling the truth. And now that she is, he doesn't believe her. But she did lead him to that position by removing the key the way she did. She had broken her own word to him, showed she did not trust him and that her own word was not be believed. I think he kinda realizes that he went too far when she starts to cry and she was telling the truth, but he doesn't know how to repair that, nor what to do with her statement that the silly toyplane belonged to the man she loved and killed, as per Jack looking at her from a distance in the dark on the new beachcamp while she's staring at her toyplane. How do you say "sorry" after such a declaration, let alone the fact he's not the man who easily says he's sorry when he needs to, and says sorry when he doesn't need to.
Oh: and I thought for a sec Sayid was gay when he rested his head in the palm of his hand, while listening to Shannon's story about the guy from Saint Tropez.
ETA: overall this is an epi about the triangle realtion plot rather than event plot, characterwise it does move things along, but storywise not a lot.
jane_eire
11-06-07, 02:56 PM
Mirror-Shot: Kate's face is reflected in the polished floor of the bank, indicating that she is "two-faced".
LOST Hiatus Rewatch: Week 4, Weds., June 17th-23rd
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S1E12 : Whatever The Case May Be
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We get to see what a liar Kate is in this episode. She is queen manipulator. She plays Sawyer and Jack so well and I feel she enjoys having 2 men fuss over her. Sawyer is at least honest. Jack manages to find something to throw in her face when they do not agree and it is always extremely hurtful. If I ever met a guy that did that to me I would give him a sneak peek of next week. All that fussing over the case. Michael and Hurley are great with there laughing at Sawyer trying to open a locked Halliburton. How come Sawyer, Mr. Conman, doesn't know what he is dealing with? Kate going through all that blatant lying for a miniature airplane. Yes Tom put that in the lunchbox they buried but I believe Kate knows more about the island than she ever lets on. Is that airplane her constant? :hmm:
I feel she enjoys having 2 men fuss over her.
Ya reckon ?!! She's female isn't she ! Sorry, Dew, I couldn't resist ! But actually even by this time I was beginning to think that whoever ends up with her probably deserves her ! :) Jack is a real "biatch", but then what goes around, comes around. Kate, OTOH, is equally bitchy towards Sawyer. I think Sawyer, on the whole, is quite aware of her rather devious nature but will give her the benefit of the doubt because he is attracted to her.
I loved the antics with the Haliburton case, including Kate trying to get the thing from between Sawyer's legs when he was in his tent. And then her trying to exit the tent with some semblance of dignity when she couldn't get it away from him !
Oh and Jack's attempt at blackmail with the cephalexin for Sawyer's knife wound was a nice little touch. You give me the case or I'll withhold your meds and you'll die ! And all this for Kate's toy plane!
World Walker
06-21-09, 03:13 AM
Lovely music at the beginning of this episode.
And our first view of the very pretty pond and waterfall. See those rocks over there, Kate? That'll be the first thing you see when you wake up in 1977 in the future...or rather, your future. You know...
Despite the dreaded triangle stuff, Sawyer and Kate's antics in the pond made me smile. And we need that every once in a while, especially after the weight of the last couple episodes. Of course, the corpses on the bottom ruin the mood pretty fast, don't they? :nanabobo:
Sayid: "Everything's getting washed out to sea. This can't be normal...the tide shifting so suddenly. Rising in so short a time."
Jack: "At the rate this beach's eroding, the fuselage will be underwater in a matter of days."
We've never seen the Island do anything like this since this instance in Season 1. I thought that might be worth noting. Was the island trying to symbolize something for them? Was the past being washed away in favor of their future on the island?
Hurley's laugh is infectious.
Rose is back to hand out some tough love! Yay!
Sawyer trying to open the case was pretty classic, as was Kate basically swooping out of nowhere and snatching it up. Also can't forget Sawyer dodging the first head butt, gloating, and then getting hit by the second head butt like a second later. :)
Gotta love the trust level Jack has in Kate, but the ironic part of all this is that she absolutely brought it on herself. These trust issues also foreshadow the developing conflict between Kate and Jack in the flashforwards of Season 4.
And they've picked the spot for their camp. Wow, this is making me feel really nostalgic. I missed the camp a lot in Season 5. Be cool if we get to see it again in the final season.
I feel so bad for Charlie. That scene with him and Rose praying was very touching.
So far, this is the first episode that truly felt like filler to me. Despite that, it had some pretty good moments, and it had to follow two very amazing episodes.
Sayid: "Everything's getting washed out to sea. This can't be normal...the tide shifting so suddenly. Rising in so short a time."
Jack: "At the rate this beach's eroding, the fuselage will be underwater in a matter of days."
We've never seen the Island do anything like this since this instance in Season 1. I thought that might be worth noting. Was the island trying to symbolize something for them? Was the past being washed away in favor of their future on the island?
I dunno, maybe its just given that it happens regularly?
The tides are controlled by magnetism (gravitational pull and all that), and the island has 'problems' (;)) with magnetism. Which would explain anomalies like this.
With regard to the very rapid shifting of the tide, the tide rising so quickly, could this maybe have something to do with the fact that time moves differently on the island than it does/did on the freighter, away from the island, in S4. And Daniel saying that "the light doesn't scatter quite right". All these E.M. anomalies etc. have screwed up the natural rhythms of the island.
AChristianShephard
07-12-09, 10:59 PM
Hmnnn, whilst full of good story telling, does anyone believe Kate actually held up a bank and shot 3 men to retrieve a metal plane model?
lol
I remember this period of Season 1 now, it was the 1st time I started questioning my commitment to it, happens mid season in all 5 for me.
Seems like 'whats the point'?
I mean, she held up a bank, and shot 3 men! Ridiculous really.
Shannon is so so sweet, Sayid is beginning to fall for her and Boone with his ever so creepy eyes is watching in the background, brooding with jealousy.
I'm thinking instead of being negative i'd like to point out something this season that has now been 'lost' and that is the pacing and cinematography.
There are lots of night scenes so far and they are all lit beautifully and the day scenes are shot with panache, really nicely framed and edited.
It's obvious what has happened here, Lost was THE premier show of its time and great attention and pride has been put into each little detail.
Budget cuts and complacency have seen most of that subtly dissapear now, luckily the film crew still have a wonderful island to use as a backdrop.
A poor episode for me.
6/10
AChristianShephard
07-12-09, 11:04 PM
If I ever met a guy that did that to me I would give him a sneak peek of next week.
:gathering:
Sayid: "Everything's getting washed out to sea. This can't be normal...the tide shifting so suddenly. Rising in so short a time."
Jack: "At the rate this beach's eroding, the fuselage will be underwater in a matter of days."
We've never seen the Island do anything like this since this instance in Season 1. I thought that might be worth noting. Was the island trying to symbolize something for them? Was the past being washed away in favor of their future on the island?.
I dunno, maybe its just given that it happens regularly?
The tides are controlled by magnetism (gravitational pull and all that), and the island has 'problems' (;)) with magnetism. Which would explain anomalies like this.
With regard to the very rapid shifting of the tide, the tide rising so quickly, could this maybe have something to do with the fact that time moves differently on the island than it does/did on the freighter, away from the island, in S4. And Daniel saying that "the light doesn't scatter quite right". All these E.M. anomalies etc. have screwed up the natural rhythms of the island.
I think it was our first "clue" as to the esoteric nature of the Island as well. We thought it was 'weird' then, but that's about it. I now wonder if it was because the Island had just re-appeared from a different location at that time. Maybe it was just "sent" to it's current physical location, because the Losties were being "sent" there, location-wise.
AChristianShephard
07-12-09, 11:34 PM
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Pretty sure it was just a plot device so that they could clear out the fuselage.
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