Hiatus Rewatch#3 (07/01/09-07/07/09)-S1E18: Numbers

[Brian]

This is the discussion thread for the LOST-TV Hiatus Rewatch - Season 1 Episode 18 , "Numbers"

Written by : David Fury & Brent Fletcher

The original (or as close to original as exists) thread for this episode can be found here (http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6154).

General questions about the LOST-TV Hiatus Rewatch can be posted in the LOST-TV Hiatus Rewatch thread (http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=37370).

Episode Description:

Hurley sets out to find Danielle after seeing some peculiar numbers on her notes. Michael and Jin start building another raft.

[abcdxyz]

This is without a doubt one of my favorite episodes. I hope that there is still more to come on the numbers. Even if they were the code to input in the computer to keep the electromagnetic thingy from blowing up, and even if they are the solution to the Valenzetti Equation (about which I know nothing except what I've read on this board), why were they being broadcast from the radio tower on the island? Who set that up? Why were they engraved on the outside of the hatch? What did Lenny mean when he told Hurley, "you've opened the box"?

Lenny: You used those numbers to play the lo... lottery?
Hurley: Uh, yeah.
Lenny: Well, you shouldn't have done that. You've opened the box!
Hurley: I what?
Lenny: Ah, you shouldn't have used those numbers.
Hurley: Why not?
Lenny: It doesn't stop! You've got to get away from those numbers! You've got to get far, far away!
Orderly: Alright, hey, hold on. Lenny, Lenny. Calm down. Lenny.
Lenny: Do you hear. No, don't you understand? You've got to get away from it or it won't stop!

What doesn't stop? What do you have to get away from? OK, we know Lenny's not too tightly wrapped, but maybe "it" is the reason?

[ozanna]

abcdxyz

What doesn't stop? What do you have to get away from? OK, we know Lenny's not too tightly wrapped, but maybe "it" is the reason?

Yes, I think we're all agreed on that, but what is it ? I'll tell you what it is, its one of the most frustrating aspects of this really frustrating show !

I started this but have just realized that I don't have enough time to do it justice. So I will return later and try to get my head together. See you later.

[ozanna]

This is a Hurley fb attempting to explain some of his hang ups.

Jack, Michael and Hurley are on the beach talking about making some sort of distress signal. Hurley mentions that Sayid told him the French Woman has batteries (would they still work after 16 years ?) They go to Sayid's tent but he is reluctant to tell them where to find her. He shows them a map saying Dark Territories on it. Hurley sees the numbers ....4,8,15,16,23,42.

Fb 1 - Hurley is watching TV, the lottery. Mary Jo, the lotto girl (and Sawyer's ex) announces the winning numbers, a jackpot, and Hurley faints.

Later that night Hurley tells Sayid about the numbers that he saw on the map and asks him what he knows about Danielle. Sayid is intrigued.

Fb 2 - Hurley and his family are talking to reporters about his huge win. Hurley introduces his family - Carmen, his mother, Diego his brother and his wife Lisa, and Grandpa Tito who is 70 and has worked 3 jobs for 52 years and can now finally retire. Tito suddenly drops dead.

Back on the island Charlie finds Hurley filling up water bottles and asks him where he is going and offers to go too. Hurley says he wants to go alone.
This is a direct parallel with Charlie not wanting Hurley to go with him in TTLG.

On the beach Locke is making something for Claire, who is feeling very big and uncomfortable - he asks if she can help him with something, which she is a bit unsure about. He tells her to keep her spirits up and feel good about herself.


Jack and Sayid meet up at the caves looking for the maps. Charlie comes along and says he saw Hurley going off somewhere "Acting like a loon". Jack, Hurley and Sayid head off looking for him.

Fb - Hurley and Carmen are sitting in a Hummer. He says he has a surprise to make up for their hard luck. Hurley says he thinks his money is cursed, Carmen tells him not to blaspheme, Catholics don't believe in curses. Hurley blindfolds his mother to take her to her surprise and she slips and breaks her ankle. She takes off her blindfold and sees that the house Hurley has bought for her is on fire. Then the cops come and arrest Hurley for suspected drug dealing. Next we see Hurley in his Accountant's office telling him he thinks his money is cursed. No, not the money, says the accountant (of course he would say that !) It must be the numbers.
Just as he's saying theres no such thing as a curse, a body falls past the window !

Back on the beach Sawyer is obviously suffering with a bad headache and being thoroughly unpleasant to everyone. Kate is counselling (wtf !) Sun about Jin.

Hurley is walking though the jungle following a cable and steps on a pressure trigger. Sayid appears and tells him no to move or he will release it. Hurley says he is spry (again) and jumps off it without getting harmed. The others comment on his strange behaviour, and Sayid says he will take the lead. "Excellent" says Charlie.

Fb - Hurley is at a mental hospital looking for his friend Lenny. Dr. Curtis comes along and remembers Hurley and offers to take him to his friend. Lenny is sitting repeating the numbers over and over. Hurley says he thinks the numbers are jinxed, Lenny gets agitated and tells Hurley he has opened the box and he must get away. Hurley asks where he got them from, and Lenny repllies it was with Sam Toomey when they worked together in Karlgoorlie, WA. Evidently the numbers are not good.

Back on the island Hurley and Charlie manage to cross a bridge across a steep gorge before it collapses - Jack and Sayid have to go the long way round.

Fb - In the middle of the outback, Hurley is talking to Sam Toomey's wife Martha. Sam died 4 years ago. Hurley tells Martha about Lenny, and she tells him that Sam and Lenny used to be in the Navy monitoring long wave transmissions out of the Pacific and heard the numbers coming over the airwaves. Sam used the numbers to guess the amount of beans in a jar at a fair, and won $50,000. On the way home he crashed the car and she lost her leg. After that he became paranoid and anything bad happened he blamed it on his winnings. When it got too bad he shot himself. Hurley assumed that he thought he'd been cursed, but Martha said, no, don't make up excuses, you make your own luck. Dare I say "Never mistake coincidence for fate".

Back in the jungle Sayid and Jack are close to Danielle's place. Jack hits a trip wire and blows it up. Sayid realizes that she's moved away. Hurley and Charlie are looking for Jack and Sayid, hear the explosion and run off. Hurley ends up with Danielle with a gun pointed at him. She asks him who he is, he tells her and asks her about the numbers. Are they cursed. She says numbers brought her to the island and she's had nothing but bad luck - well that kind of adds up doesn't it. Hurley is delighted to have someone agree with him. Meanwhile at Danielle's wrecked hut Sayid finds the photo of himself and Nadia. The four of them meet up and Danielle has given Hurley some batteries. They head back to the beach.

Locke has built a cradle for Claire - its her birthday. Locke has been big brother, favourite uncle, benevolent father and all good things to the losties up to this point. How long is this going to last !

On the beach Hurley tells Charlie he thinks his bad luck caused the plane to crash. Charlie says "Don't be daft". Everyone has problems. Hurley tells Charlie back home he's worth $156 million. Charlie thinks Hurley is doing some oneupmanship on him because he told him he was a junkie.

Finally there is a shot of the hatch lid with the numbers engraved round it.
CREEPY. 4.8.15.16.23.42.

So, is Danielle's expedition anything to do with the numbers ?

Does the coincidence or fate thing have any significance. There seems to be a very distinct philosophy between the two.

Will we ever find out ? Do we care ? Bloody oath we do !!!!!

[Darkrogue]

There is much for me to love in this episode.

I love Hurley’s mom. She may be a hellacious stereotype, but I’ve had Hispanic friends with mothers exactly like her, so she makes me laugh.

I also love Hurley’s flashbacks. Always. It’s interesting how they can pack so much disaster into an episode and still manage to make it amusing. The guy falling past the window reminds me of an old Monty Python sketch. Classic.

Another thing I love is Hurley/Charlie chemistry. Their rapport, whether friendly, snarky or bitchy, is something that has, to me, always been quintessentially Lost. Yeah, I’ll admit it. Hurley/Charlie: the closest I have ever been (and will ever be) to a ‘shipper’. :D :nanabobo:

More slapstick with the fellows stringing the raft together. When will these guys realize it’s a lost cause?

Poor Sawyer and his headaches. This will of course usher in the eyeglasses routine, along with the oh-so-tasteful STD jokes. :rolleyez:

Hurley’s obsession with the numbers is fun to watch, especially with the alarm and confusion he causes the other characters in the process of his pilgrimage to see the “French chick”. Good ol’ fun-time Hurley’s a man with a mission!

“I’m spry”. Heh.

Hurley’s curse: causes harm to those around him, though not necessarily Hurley himself, much like Sam Toomey. For example, the bridge snaps under Charlie’s non-weight, as opposed to Hurley’s own substantial bulk. Another example in this episode is Sayid and Jack nearly getting blown to bits.

I recall some intense debate over Martha Toomey’s accent. It does sound rather “off” to me, if she’s supposed to be Australian, like maybe a bit more NZ-ish, but that doesn’t even seem just right. Ozanna, can you help out here, possibly?

Lenny: You used those numbers to play the lo... lottery?
Hurley: Uh, yeah.
Lenny: Well, you shouldn't have done that. You've opened the box!
Hurley: I what?
Lenny: Ah, you shouldn't have used those numbers.
Hurley: Why not?
Lenny: It doesn't stop! You've got to get away from those numbers! You've got to get far, far away!
Orderly: Alright, hey, hold on. Lenny, Lenny. Calm down. Lenny.
Lenny: Do you hear. No, don't you understand? You've got to get away from it or it won't stop!

What doesn't stop? What do you have to get away from? OK, we know Lenny's not too tightly wrapped, but maybe "it" is the reason?

I’m not sure what this means, either. I might assume that by “it” he is referring to the string of bad luck that comes along with the numbers. We’re not sure what happened to Leonard to land him in the loony bin, but it obviously has something to do with the numbers. The numbers themselves start some kind of cycle, perhaps? If so, what is the ultimate aim?

Martha claimed the only way Sam was able to “make it stop” was by blowing his brains out. So one of the men who came in contact with the numbers killed himself, while the other wound up in the asylum.

Hmm, knowing the horrible things the writers like to do to these characters, I’m predicting Hurley will end in a bad way.

I often doubt we’ll get a real explanation for the numbers, personally. But then again, I’m a cynic about these things. Hopefully my pessimism will help us all be that much more pleasantly surprised when and if an explanation actually is presented! :D

Hurley’s quest is less about retrieving batteries and more about vindication. He needs someone else to justify his suspicions that the numbers are indeed cursed, and, after seeing her maps, he knows Rousseau has had contact with them. This is what fuels his megalomaniacal Colonel-Bloody-Kurtz trek across the jungle. He needs to speak with someone else affected by the numbers, and prove to himself that he is not insane. Strangely, Danielle is able to give him the vindication he wants. Of course this vindication comes from yet another raving crazy, but you gotta take what you can get.

So, is Danielle's expedition anything to do with the numbers ?

Here is a transcript of the scene between Hurley and Danielle. Make what you will of it.

DANIELLE [lowering her rifle]: Our ship picked up a transmission -- a voice repeating those numbers. We changed course to investigate. After we shipwrecked my team continued to search for the transmission source. It was weeks before we found the radio tower.

HURLEY: There's a radio tower on this island?

DANIELLE: Yes, up by the Black Rock. Some of us continued to search for the meaning of those numbers while we waited for rescue. But then the sickness came. When my team was gone, I went back up to the tower and changed the transmission.

HURLEY: The distress signal we heard?

DANIELLE: Yes.

HURLEY: But the numbers -- did you ever find out anything about them? Do you know where they got their power?

DANIELLE: Power?

HURLEY: They bring bad stuff to everyone around you. They're cursed. You know that, right? The numbers, they're cursed.

DANIELLE: Numbers are what brought me here. As it appears they brought you. Since that time I've lost everything, everyone I cared about. So yes, I suppose you're right. They are cursed.

Danielle’s ship, if she is to be believed, ran aground because they attempted to find the source of the transmission repeating the numbers. She acts as though they had no prior knowledge of them, though one wonders how truthful she is. Sometimes I think she’s too crazy not to trust, but sometimes I think that’s the best reason not to trust her. Does that even make sense? No. Moving on…

Locke and Claire: has Locke officially “helped” almost everyone now? And Claire—you couldn’t tell that was a cradle until after it was completely finished? Really?

Lots of great lines in this one. I always laugh at the reference to the “pissed off giraffe”. At the time I thought that was as good an explanation as anything. Certainly a better explanation than the Megasaurus thing I used to imagine when trying to picture the “monster”.

Hurley tells Charlie back home he's worth $156 million. Charlie thinks Hurley is doing some oneupmanship on him because he told him he was a junkie.

I was always hoping the day would come that Hurley would get to prove his wealth to Charlie. Okay, now I’m getting angry again…


(Just because I realized I haven't been including them in episode posts)

Charlie near-death experiences: 2
Bridge collapse
Nearly shot

Count to-date: 11

[ZIA]

This is without a doubt one of my favorite episodes. I hope that there is still more to come on the numbers. Even if they were the code to input in the computer to keep the electromagnetic thingy from blowing up, and even if they are the solution to the Valenzetti Equation (about which I know nothing except what I've read on this board), why were they being broadcast from the radio tower on the island? Who set that up? Why were they engraved on the outside of the hatch? What did Lenny mean when he told Hurley, "you've opened the box"?

Lenny: You used those numbers to play the lo... lottery?
Hurley: Uh, yeah.
Lenny: Well, you shouldn't have done that. You've opened the box!
Hurley: I what?
Lenny: Ah, you shouldn't have used those numbers.
Hurley: Why not?
Lenny: It doesn't stop! You've got to get away from those numbers! You've got to get far, far away!
Orderly: Alright, hey, hold on. Lenny, Lenny. Calm down. Lenny.
Lenny: Do you hear. No, don't you understand? You've got to get away from it or it won't stop!

What doesn't stop? What do you have to get away from? OK, we know Lenny's not too tightly wrapped, but maybe "it" is the reason?

I'm so with you on this. I LOVE anything involving numbers and mystery. I know about the equation and am fascinated by all of it. The minds of TPTB are inspired! What the deuce did he mean by "it"? I love the Lenny character-BTW. It was implied by Lenny that you could "get away from it." I doubt if he was referring to a shotgun in the mouth like Sam Toomey.

abcdxyz
What doesn't stop? What do you have to get away from? OK, we know Lenny's not too tightly wrapped, but maybe "it" is the reason?

I guess he could have been referring to the bad luck or curse factor, but he seemed so focused and lucid. "You've opened the box!" I immediately thought of Pandora's Box. Hurley didn't start this chain of events though, as Lenny knows.

There is much for me to love in this episode.

It's one of my favorites!:D


I might assume that by “it” he is referring to the string of bad luck that comes along with the numbers. We’re not sure what happened to Leonard to land him in the loony bin, but it obviously has something to do with the numbers. The numbers themselves start some kind of cycle, perhaps? If so, what is the ultimate aim?

It's funny that all of us have the same thoughts on this.


Danielle’s ship, if she is to be believed, ran aground because they attempted to find the source of the transmission repeating the numbers. She acts as though they had no prior knowledge of them, though one wonders how truthful she is. Sometimes I think she’s too crazy not to trust, but sometimes I think that’s the best reason not to trust her. Does that even make sense? No. Moving on…


I'm very fond of our crazy Danielle, of course I have issues with her as does everyone else. It is suspicious that a team of Scientists would be that far out in the Pacific in the first place; so near to an Island swarming with crazy privately funded Scientists already.

I know Danielle said they "changed course to investigate" but why were the numbers randomly being broadcast if the Others didn't want anyone to find the Island?

I could ramble for days about this episode. (and I might:))
Locke can still do no wrong. I loved the path Locke was taking in Season 1. Locke was one of my favorites.

I also LOVED Hurley's psychotic Mother. I love the scene where she's crossing herself, disheveled; after she "broke" her ankle in the gutter. Classic!

Also, things I'm sure we noticed the before,
but...Excellent story building-IMO: How the Numbers link Hurley to Florida, Tustin,Ca. and Canada.

I always enjoyed the friendship of Charlie and Hurley. It's nice, right?

Did we ever find out if Lenny was committed along the same timeline as when Danielle was shipwrecked on the island? I'll try to find the old thread.

[ozanna]

Darkrogue
Thanks for helping me sort out Danielle's discussion with Hurley ! Still don't know how the numbers originally came to be, though. Its almost like what came first - the chicken or the egg ! Its interesting how there seem to be two diametrically opposed camps. Hurley and Danielle who totally believe the numbers are bad, and Martha Toomey who despite everthing that has happened says you make your own luck. Coincidence or fate. Lets keep our fingers crossed !

Darkrogue again - re Martha Toomey's accent, no its not Australian or NZ I don't think. Actually there are very few authentic Aussies in "Lost" - Ray, Kate's one armed farmer from Tabula Rasa, I think, was played by Nick Tate a pretty well known actor in Australia. There was also an authentic Aussie in one of Claire's fbs (an airline official) and of course Cindy. The Aussie accent is quite hard to pull off - witness Meryl Streep in "Evil Angels"."The dingo got my baybay !" That line got laughed out of every cinema in Australia !

If you want authentic Aussie you can't go past Paul Hogan or Steve Irwin (bless his soul) except that we don't all say "crikey" ! Most Aussies have dropped their lovely drawls, and Nicole Kidman has that awful flat trans-Atlantic drawl. Hugh Jackman is pretty authentic - I love him, he's so versatile - X-Men, Boy from Oz (as Peter Allen !) and now he's doing Baz Luhrmans epic "Australia" with "our Nic". He's very normal and down to earth with a lovely normal down to earth wife.

Just on a side note, none of the Aussie scenes were filmed here either, we're way too expensive apparently, which is a shame as it would have been a big feather in our cap. I have noticed comments about the authenticity of various scenes, some of the Sydney ones, specially Sawyer's
dockside ones, and I think I mentioned about the dodgy Ayres Rock ones !
Sorry, didn't mean to turn this into a geography lesson !

Zia29112
Pandora's Box was just where my head went, too. I think Lenny just retreated into madness as a coping mechanism. I know that feeling ....

Must go and check on Ep19 now, and be prepared to vent my venom on you know who !

[ZIA]

Zia29112[/b]
Pandora's Box was just where my head went, too. I think Lenny just retreated into madness as a coping mechanism. I know that feeling ....

Must go and check on Ep19 now, and be prepared to vent my venom on you know who !

The most obvious answer is that it's a metaphor for unleashing "it" in the world, but how could Hurley possibly be responsible for that when "it" already pushed Lenny into madness and good ole' Sam Toomey to blow his 'is head off. (writing in my best Aussie accent for Ozchick.)

I wonder if Lenny would really flip his wig if he knew those Numbers were also already embossed on the side of a hatch on a "deserted" Island.

I'll watch EPI 19 with you later...

[Locke 'n' Load]

Things I hated:

Jack being bossy.

Not enough Sawyer in this episode.

Thing I didn’t like:

Jack being bossy.

Hurley’s bad luck. I want to see something good happen to him.

Things I liked:

When Walt complains that Sawyer is not helping, Sawyer replies (while looking into Walt’s eyes) that he is “keeping watch for arsonists”. Shuts Walt up right quick.

Locke made his own glue. (Claire thought he should have his own TV show to show people how to fix things in their homes).

Locke asking Claire to help him to give her something to do and feel useful. What a wonderful surprise for her birthday…a cradle for the baby.

Claire’s gratitude toward Locke.

Things I loved:

Hurley defied Jack’s “orders” several times in this episode…great stuff!

Hurley hugged Danielle. He was so relieved to find someone who agrees with him and doesn’t think he is crazy in saying the numbers are cursed.

Things I laughed at:

The episode opens with Hurley, Jin, and Michael working on the raft. Jin tries to tell Hurley something. Hurley tries to understand him and mistakenly translates, “You want to make snowballs?” Funny.:D :D :confused: :p

Hurley, in describing Sayid to Danielle, calls him “that guy you tortured”.

And again, Hurley with a straight face looks at Sayid and gives Danielle’s message, “she says, ‘hey’”.

Things I wondered about:

I'm starting to wonder about all the mentions of boxes in Lost. Lenny says that Hurley opened the box, John worked at the box company that Hurley owns, and Ben says there is a magic box on the island that gives you what you want. Are there any other mentions of boxes?

If Hurley is concerned about bad luck, maybe he and his mom should have worn their seat belts in the Hummer. (Yes, I’m a fanatic about people wearing their seat belts).


Did Hurley take chances because he believed the curse affects those around him and not himself? Examples: Crossing the bridge first (without hesitation), dropping the wire without knowing what might happen when he did (after being old not to do so). Stepping off the pressure trigger and diving out of the way, again when told not to do so.
Mrs. Toomey said Sam believed the same thing, the curse creates bad luck for those around him. I wonder if it has some kind of protection for the person who uses the numbers. Assuming you believe all that stuff and excepting if you blow your own brains out or go crazy.

DarkRogue, you mentioned the curse also not bring bad luck on the one who used the numbers. Do you have any further insight you could share with me about that?

Zia, I too like our crazy French Chick. She is soo interesting. I'm looking forward to finding out more about her.

Ozanna, that was indeed a creepy shot of the numbers at the end of the episode. I remember the very first time I saw it, I got goosebumps all over!

[ozanna]

[QUOTE=Locke 'n' Load;1705979]Things I hated:
Did Hurley take chances because he believed the curse affects those around him and not himself?

Thats a really good point Locke'n'Load In S3 "Tricia Tanaka is Dead", Charlie is depressed. Hurley is trying to get the Dharma van going and to cheer Charlie up and convince him he's not going to die. He tells him "Look, I don't know about you, but things have really sucked for me lately and I could really use a victory. So lets get one dude, lets get this thing started. Lets look death in the face and say "Whatever, man". Let's make our own luck. What do you say?"

As we know the Dharma van did start, Hurley was triumphant, and Charlie was temporarily cheered up.

In the season finale Hurley gets sick of everyone, mainly Sawyer, telling him to kep out of trouble, he'll just be in the way. So again Hurley throws caution to the winds and goes headlong into the fray, with great success. Believe in yourself and you can do anything.

[Darkrogue]

Ozanna, thanks for the clarification on the Aussie accent. I didn’t think it sounded right, and I remember some pretty in-depth discussion about it (I hate that Sleazyboard swallowed up the original episode threads…grrr…).

You’re right, though, the Aussie accent is quite difficult to reproduce. I’ve got a good ear and can imitate almost any dialect convincingly, but my Aussie “voice” just plain sucks! :D

DarkRogue, you mentioned the curse also not bring bad luck on the one who used the numbers. Do you have any further insight you could share with me about that?

Well, just a few things come to mind that seem to hint at this. His conversation with Martha:

MARTHA: Yep, the answer was exact. To the bean. Men had been running the same scam for 40 years and nobody had ever come close. So we won the money. On the way home a pick-up truck blows a tire on the highway, hits us head on. Lost my leg that night.
HURLEY: What about Sam?
MARTHA: Barely a scratch. Most people would consider themselves lucky, but not him. He was never the same after that. He started keeping a record. Anything terrible that happened to anyone around us, he believed it was all because he used those numbers. He moved us out here in the middle of nowhere hoping it would stop.

Then there is the incident with the deck that apparently sent him to the institution:

DR. BROOKS: I notice that you didn't say anything about the way you look. Are you comfortable with your appearance?
HURLEY: It's not like -- I mean, I can't really do anything about it, right? [Dr. Brooks just stares at him] If I, uh -- if I w -- if I wasn't so fat, they never would have died.
DR. BROOKS: There were 23 people on that deck. It was built to hold 8. And it would have collapsed whether you went out there or not.
HURLEY: Yeah, but I did walk out there. And it did collapse. I killed them.
DR. BROOKS: It was an accident.
HURLEY: That was my fault.
DR. BROOKS: After those people died, you were in a practically catatonic state. You stopped talking, you stopped going out, you stopped sleeping. But you never stopped eating because that's how you punish yourself.

Then from his conversation with Charlie in TTID:

CHARLIE: Desmond told me I was going to die. He told me has these flashes -- visions, whatever -- and in them I always die. [Hurley doesn't respond] So this is the part where you tell me it is ridiculous, don't be daft, he's a nutter.
HURLEY: I think he might be right. And I think it might be my fault.
CHARLIE: Your fault?
HURLEY: I'm kind of cursed. Death finds me, dude.

It seems misfortune happens to others around him, but rarely Hurley himself. His grandpa died, lightening struck the preacher at his funeral, a meteor killed Tricia Tanaka and her camera guy, the deck killed other people, but not Hurley. The shoe factory fire in Canada actually increased Hurley’s net worth. Those are just the examples I can think of off the top of my head. Finally, the two people closest to him on the island have met their demise: Libby, and now his best friend.

I personally always wondered why Hurley did not discourage Charlie or anyone else from following him across the bridge, if he feels he is such a jinx. This is touched upon up in the old thread linked in the first post on this thread, I think.

[ozchick]

I remember being so excited when this episode finally happened, because I was so looking forward to Hurley's story.

Can someone clarify? Was Mary Jo the Lotto girl Sawyer's ex from Outlaws? From a different ep?

I need to do some screenshot comparisons, but in Hurley's FB right after he's won, one of the reporters is an Asian female. Is this Tricia Tanaka?

Timeline observation: Martha says that Sam and Leonard heard the transmission of the numbers 16 years ago. We know from Exodus that this flashback in Numbers takes place just before the plane trip, so sometime in September of 2004. Which puts Sam and Leonard hearing the transmission in 1988. Danielle says they picked up the transmission, changed course and shipwrecked on the island. It was a few weeks before they found the radio tower, then not long after that she changed the transmission. We know all that happened 16 years ago, based on the iterations of the message in the Pilot. So Sam and Leonard heard the numbers not long before Danielle changed the message.

As a webmazer, I've got to put the info out there about the numbers, but will of course do so behind a tag.

This is a transcript from a Dharma Orientation film. The bolding is mine, and highlights the key info about the numbers.
"I'm Alvar Hanso. If you are watching this film, you already know and have worked with Gerald and Karen DeGroot, founders and masterminds of the Dharma Initiative. By now, you also know there are many research goals for our joint venture. What you may not know, is why we assembled the Dharma Initiative. Why we have assembled the greatest minds in the world and given them unlimited funds and access.

As with all you have already been told, you are bound by your honor and commitment to keep what you are about to hear a secret. In a few weeks, after your induction counseling and survival training, you and your colleagues will be shipped to a top-secret facility. The precise location of the facility is known only to myself, the DeGroots, the few high ranking members of my organization. Why all the security?, all the secrecy? The answer is simple. Your research is intended to do nothing less than save the world as we know it.

In 1962, only thirteen years ago, the world came to the brink of nuclear war. The United States and the Soviet Union almost fulfilled the promise of mutual assured destruction. A promise they continue to foster through a destructive Cold War. After the Cuban Missile Crisis, both nations decided to find a solution. The result was the Valenzetti Equation. Commissioned under the highest secrecy through the UN Security Council, the equation is the brainchild of the Italian mathematician Enzo Valenzetti. It predicts the exact number of years and months before humanity extinguishes itself. Whether through nuclear fire, chemical and biological warfare, convention warfare, pandemic, overpopulation (film glitch) His results are chilling, and attention must be paid. Valenzetti gave numerical values to the core environmental and human factors in his equation, 4 8 15 16 23 and 42. Only by manipulating the environment, by finding scientific solutions to all of our problems we may be able to change those core factors, and give humanity a chance to survive. Although the equation has been buried by those who comissioned it, (film damaged at this point) panic. It has always been my belief that we ignore all warnings at our own peril, and thus the Dharma Initiative was born. DHARMA is an acronym for Department of Heuristics And Research on Material Applications. It also stands for the one true way. And through your research you will help humanity.

We have constructed several stations on the Island, underground laboratories with the facilities you will need to do your research with optimal expediency. All of the support you will need, including regular medicine and food drops will be made in perpetuity. A radio transmitter has also been erected on the Island, broadcasting in a frequency and encryption known only to us. The transmitter will only broadcast the core numerical values of the Valenzetti Equation. When, through your research, you manage to change the numerical value of any one of these factors, when you have created through science the... (videotape damage at this point) ...you will know that the one true way has been found. That is the work to which you have comitted yourselves. Change the core values of the Valenzetti Equation, and you will change the course of destiny. The fate of the human race is in your hands.

Thank You, and Namaste"


The transcript is courtesy of Zamboni, via Truff's archive (http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showpost.php?p=745778&postcount=1).

The reveal of the numbers on the hatch is still so great!

I do love Hurley. He's got so many gems in this ep ("I could really use some alone time right now." "I'm spry." "Dudes chill." "You must be the French chick." "...pissed of giraffe."), but it's not just the writing, it's his delivery of the lines.

The Locke and Claire scenes are sweet, and I'll admit I get a little :cry: when he turns the thing over and we (and Claire) realize it's a cradle.

Only one brief Sawyer scene, with one nickname, but it's a good one:
Shortround: Walt

[ozanna]

[QUOTE=ozchick;1707738]
Can someone clarify? Was Mary Jo the Lotto girl Sawyer's ex from Outlaws? From a different ep

Ozchick
I'm pretty well 100% sure she was from "Outlaws". However I have been known to be wrong !

I agree about Hurley - he is certainly a complex guy. Sawyer is my favourite "guilty pleasure" type ! But Hurley is my favourite "he'd be nice to hang out with guy". Plus having one of the most intriging back stories. I'm really hoping to see some good stuff from the two of them next season. I thought Hurley beating up Sawyer was one of the funniest scenes ever ! Poor old Hurley "I'm not going to take this crap any more !", and Sawyer totally stunned, refusing to lay a finger on someone he has grown to care for, but really pissed off at looking like a fool ! :rotfl: Especially with Kate sniggering at him !

[ZIA]

Timeline observation: Martha says that Sam and Leonard heard the transmission of the numbers 16 years ago. We know from Exodus that this flashback in Numbers takes place just before the plane trip, so sometime in September of 2004. Which puts Sam and Leonard hearing the transmission in 1988. Danielle says they picked up the transmission, changed course and shipwrecked on the island. It was a few weeks before they found the radio tower, then not long after that she changed the transmission. We know all that happened 16 years ago, based on the iterations of the message in the Pilot. So Sam and Leonard heard the numbers not long before Danielle changed the message.
That's exactly what I'm saying too. Did we ever make this timeline work?
I didn't know you were a webmazer! Excellent.


The reveal of the numbers on the hatch is still so great!

Perfect ending to the episode.

[11Rooster11]

I agree completely with the idea that Hurley's "bad luck" doesn't effect him rather it impacts those around him. Don't forget our buddy Artz on the list.

So my question is who's next? Now that Charlie's gone who will be doomed by Hurley's complany?

[ZIA]

So my question is who's next? Now that Charlie's gone who will be doomed by Hurley's complany?

Hmmm...Who will be next? I suppose Hurley could step up and befriend Claire, assuming she's still on the Island. I'm betting Desmond won't be one of her favorite people in Season 4.

It's a tough call. Who do you think will be next?

[ozanna]

11Rooster11 and Zia

I have this horrible feeling that, with his new found friendship and concern over Hurley, its going to be Sawyer ! I don't know if I can stand it ! It would seem like a bit of a shame if all of a sudden Sawyer came to his senses and started behaving like a human being, only to be killed off. Why can't Hurley get friendly with Jack ! Although after his outing in the van it seemed like he had a sudden determination to make his own fate - but he still doesn't know that Charlie's dead yet. Anyway theres no point in wondering, we'll just have to wait and see. I could go on and on and on trying to figure out whats going on - I don't think I"ve ever had this curiosity about a TV show before !

[11Rooster11]

I have no idea why, but my first thougt was Desmond. I'm not sure that Desmond will ever be killed off. Sawyer makes alot of sense actually, especially considering he has now accomplished the lifelong goal.

[MaxPower]

I finally got my season 1 discs back! I'm watching Numbers right now. (I'm leaving soon so I haven't used the "search" to see what's been said)
While talking to his accountant and the guy flies past the window....might that be Locke? I don't know if the time line matches up or if they're even in the same area. Feel free to completely ignore me as I'm being lame and not searching for previous posts.

[ZIA]

11Rooster11 and Zia

I have this horrible feeling that, with his new found friendship and concern over Hurley, its going to be Sawyer ! I don't know if I can stand it !
Oh God! Don't say that! I was thinking the same thing!

I have no idea why, but my first thougt was Desmond. I'm not sure that Desmond will ever be killed off. Sawyer makes alot of sense actually, especially considering he has now accomplished the lifelong goal.
I also thought of Desmond (who is one of my faves) Do you really think they'd kill off either one? I don't trust TPTB (at all) but I have hope.

I finally got my season 1 discs back! I'm watching Numbers right now. (I'm leaving soon so I haven't used the "search" to see what's been said)
While talking to his accountant and the guy flies past the window....might that be Locke? I don't know if the time line matches up or if they're even in the same area. Feel free to completely ignore me as I'm being lame and not searching for previous posts.
Yay! You got your discs! Welcome!!!
No ignoring here, but yeah, we thought the same exact thing, but it wasn't so...

[ozanna]

Zia29112

I really don't think they will kill off Sawyer - I just realized how ludicrous it is that we have to live in fear and trembling (slight exageration!) in case our favourites might die !!!!! Just because Sawyer has killed his nemesis, I think its actually extended his storyline i.e. in a way he is now free to attempt to redeem himself with the help of his friends. Having friends is a whole new ball game for him. I could care less about Kate and Sawyer - she is not the most stable person to help someone get over a trauma of that magnitude. I can actually see him stepping up, and inexplicably you will find the other losties going to Sawyer for advice and counselling - well OK, one can dream !!! But I still think theres plenty of life in there yet. Remember the leadership thats been hinted at by Hurley et. al. Plus he seems to have a new found calmness to him. Inevitability.

As for Desmond, no way, he is going to have enough on his plate agonizing over Charlie, and besides, he has to get back to Penelope.

I still think there's no need to kill anyone major, even though they'll probably threaten to again. We'll just have to wait and see I guess.

[Darkrogue]

Welcome to the discussion, MaxPower!


So my question is who's next? Now that Charlie's gone who will be doomed by Hurley's complany?

I have this horrible feeling that, with his new found friendship and concern over Hurley, its going to be Sawyer ! I don't know if I can stand it ! It would seem like a bit of a shame if all of a sudden Sawyer came to his senses and started behaving like a human being, only to be killed off.

That seems to be their favorite pattern though, doesn't it? This is what they have done with several characters, right before pulling the trigger.


I just realized how ludicrous it is that we have to live in fear and trembling (slight exageration!) in case our favourites might die !!!!!

Indeed. I had to worry about it for practically an entire season, thanks to FBYE. What's sad is that I can no longer bring myself to worry or care about “who dies next”. They already hit as hard as they could for me. They must not realize their original-characters-killing tactics are not helping the show, because I honestly don’t think viewer apathy is what they’re going for, and that is what they have achieved in me.

I can only hope for the sake of the rest of you that it doesn't happen to your faves: it kind of puts a damper on your investment. :( Unless of course you're more interested in island mysteries than characters.

Poor Hurley. I have an image of him being driven around the bend by his belief that he is cursed, and having to spend the rest of his life in an asylum dropping chips into a Connect Four grid.

Having everyone I cared about die horrific deaths would drive me batty, too.

ozchick I'm not sure about Tricia Tanaka (I don't currently have access to that episode from S3), but if it is, then excellent catch!

[ozchick]

I need to do some screenshot comparisons, but in Hurley's FB right after he's won, one of the reporters is an Asian female. Is this Tricia Tanaka?


Yes, I'm quoting myself here, but it's to say I think I'm wrong.

Here's the shot from Numbers:
http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l256/ozgirl100/numbers.jpg

And here's Tricia Tanaka:
http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l256/ozgirl100/triciatanaka.jpg

While they are both Asian females, I don't think they are the same person. It would have been cool though.

Both pics courtesy of Lost Media.

[ZIA]

Zia29112

I really don't think they will kill off Sawyer - I just realized how ludicrous it is that we have to live in fear and trembling (slight exageration!) in case our favourites might die !!!!!
As for Desmond, no way, he is going to have enough on his plate agonizing over Charlie, and besides, he has to get back to Penelope.
I still think there's no need to kill anyone major, even though they'll probably threaten to again. We'll just have to wait and see I guess.
I just can't worry about it anymore either. After TPTB killed off Eko (I'll NEVER get over it, I know Adele wanted out of his contract...but...)

This is actually a lot of the power of LOST. It doesn't mean squat if you're a main character or not. You could die. Anytime.

LOST is going and has gone completely against every formula tv show ever. When people ask me what LOST is about, I still say "I have no idea." I like not knowing, but am a little more paranoid as a result. :)



Indeed. I had to worry about it for practically an entire season, thanks to FBYE. What's sad is that I can no longer bring myself to worry or care about “who dies next”. They already hit as hard as they could for me.
I can only hope for the sake of the rest of you that it doesn't happen to your faves: it kind of puts a damper on your investment. :( Unless of course you're more interested in island mysteries than characters.

I'm interested in the island mysteries also, but find it hard to choose one over the other; Characters vs. mysteries. LOST is a heart-pounding hour of tv though, isn't it? I just know that every Wednesday I say the same thing. "I can't believe this is a tv show." I can't. It's just unbelievable how much thought they put into this show.

[Unlocke Locke]

Not Sawyer. Could be Jin

[ZIA]

Unlocke Locke-Why Jin?

[Hodgepodge]

Can someone clarify? Was Mary Jo the Lotto girl Sawyer's ex from Outlaws? From a different ep?...

Ozchick
I'm pretty well 100% sure she was from "Outlaws". However I have been known to be wrong!...Yeah, it was the same woman. It's also Harold Perrineau Jr. (Michael's) wife in real life. IIRC, we never verified whether she was playing different characters or the same woman.


...Timeline observation: Martha says that Sam and Leonard heard the transmission of the numbers 16 years ago. We know from Exodus that this flashback in Numbers takes place just before the plane trip, so sometime in September of 2004. Which puts Sam and Leonard hearing the transmission in 1988. Danielle says they picked up the transmission, changed course and shipwrecked on the island. It was a few weeks before they found the radio tower, then not long after that she changed the transmission. We know all that happened 16 years ago, based on the iterations of the message in the Pilot. So Sam and Leonard heard the numbers not long before Danielle changed the message...Ozchick what problem do you see here?

Remember Sam and Lenny had been at that listening post for sometime before they heard anything. "Sam and Leonard were stationed at a listening post monitoring long wave transmissions out of the Pacific. Boring job. Sam hated it, nothing to do but listen to static night after night. Until one night, about 16 years ago, there's something in the static, a voice comes through, a voice repeating those numbers over and over again..." So, I've always assumed they all heard the numbers around the same time. Sam and Lenny at the listening post and Danielle and her crew at sea.

[Fletcher]

According to the Lostpedia time-line, the blast door map says that Dharma collapsed in 1984.
And according to the Lost Experience, the Numbers broadcast coming from the radio tower was encrypted. So how did the broadcast become unencrypted? It would make sense if it happened during the fall of Dharma, but if that's so, why didn't Sam, Leonard and Danielle hear the broadcast until four years later?

[ozchick]

Ozchick what problem do you see here?

Remember Sam and Lenny had been at that listening post for sometime before they heard anything. "Sam and Leonard were stationed at a listening post monitoring long wave transmissions out of the Pacific. Boring job. Sam hated it, nothing to do but listen to static night after night. Until one night, about 16 years ago, there's something in the static, a voice comes through, a voice repeating those numbers over and over again..." So, I've always assumed they all heard the numbers around the same time. Sam and Lenny at the listening post and Danielle and her crew at sea.

I actually didn't see a problem, it was more that I was amazed with myself for making the connection. I don't usually see things like that.

[Hodgepodge]

I actually didn't see a problem, it was more that I was amazed with myself for making the connection. I don't usually see things like that.Oh, okay! :)

[MayBear]

http://smilies.sofrayt.com/%5e/m/diffident.gifI don't think the CD flakes fly further than funky fruit loops.

[sweetsunray]

Sayid extemely reluctant to help: well, that's no surprise, after Sayid chose to back the violent actions against Jin and made Jack listen to him in the previous epi. Even if it is his favourite subject: communication. And again he's pushed by others into action: Hurley going out by himself, and by Jack asking whether he can conclude that Sayid won't help.

Hurley's bad luck: Once I compare his bad luck from the FB and with what happens on the island, the bad luck of his life after he wins the numbers seems to be filtered through his "the numbers are cursed" mind. Of course you could think that the plane crash and those who die are part of Hulrey's curse, but once outside Hurley's mind it seems to be bigger than Hurley thinking he's cursed. The numbers did crash the plane of course: Desmond wasn't back on time to put them in them computer. Hurley was nowhere near Boone, nor Shannon. And he wasn't around Ana Lucia or Libby when they got shot. The only one in a close relationship with Hurley is Libby. And Charlie, well Charlie has been having run-ins with death since the flight already. When I first watched this I thought Charlie's near deaths in this episode was related to Hurley's numbers, but Charlie had escaped quite a lot of deaths already without Hurley being near, and Desmond's flashes indicate it's Charlie's fate to die, and that this fate does not have to do with Hurley. More, in the Dave episode we learn Hurley already has a knack of believing he's the cause of accidents even before he won the lottery with the numbers. Yeah, I see how Hurley believes it's him, but once you see the whole story it's more like Sam's widow says: you make your own luck.

HURLEY: What, I'm not doing anything.
He really isn't good at pretending to be innocent, is he? Gosh, I love his character, and certainly together with Charlie.

Lines that make me laugh every time again...
CHARLIE: Acting like a loon, I might say.
CARMEN: Hugo, do I smell smoke? (that whole scene is hilarious: Hurley just mentioned all the bad luck that hit the family, and then the house buurns down while he's being arrested)
CHARLIE: Replace his weight? How are we going to do that?
HURLEY: I can get out of the way, I'm spry.
CHARLIE: Excellent notion.
HURLEY: Dude. Do not do that right now. Leave the bulb for another time, man.
Lenny's look on his face and stopping mid-numbers when Hurley mentions he used the numbers.
CHARLIE: Hurley, will you shut up and listen to Jack? He said stay put. You're acting like a bloody lunatic. (BTW and Hurley was acting like a loonie, and it makes no sense to separate... I guess I just don't get the irritation with Jack at this point)
CHARLIE: And don't tell me it's because of some stinking batteries. One minute you're happy-go-lucky, good time Hurley and the next you're Colonel-bloody-Kurtz.

Sam and Lenny hearing the numbers around the same year that Danielle claims to have heard them, whereas before there was just static, but it would be several years after Ben took power over already. Something happened back then. Would that be the infamous "incident"?

Claire's birthday present: Does Locke know or not beforehand? I used to think and still do that Locke just thought of giving Claire a highly needed crib since she was almost due, and after she mentioned it was her birthday that was a bonus.

Charlie at the end during the conversation with Hurley at the campfire: Talk about self-centered!

One of my favourite episodes... It got me all wired up about the numbers, especially with he goosebump reveal of the numbers being on the hatch. But I guess I was bored with them by the end of S2. Didn't mind the hatch imploded. Still want an explanation for the numbers within Lost canon. But try not to think of it much because then my curiosity starts to itch. And it's one of the few epis where the FB doesn't bore me on a rewatch. That would be because it's entertaining and humorous, even if you already know what's going to happen.

ETA: Don't know what it is with my typos... But I have another keyboard, and that might just be it.

[ozanna]

sweetsunray - hi, I love reading your rewatches, it just keeps bringing it all back to me !
I guess I just don't get the irritation with Jack at this point

This was just a thought, but I have noticed a few times that Hurley seems to have a bit of resentment towards Jack. Right from the start Jack made the most of Hurley as his "gofer" which was fair enough as Hurley was willing to do what he could to help and was always prepared to do what he could for the good of the group. But Hurley is very intuitive and is always more comfortable with the underdog, the outsider, such as Charlie and later on Sawyer, probably because he feels inferior himself, and can relate to them and feels more on a level with them. Jack always has that air of superiority about him - well, he is a surgeon isn't he ! I've noticed a few times that Hurley has almost gone off in a sulk at Jack's high handed behaviour - and, believe it or not - Kate's as well. I honestly can't remember when it was but there was a time when she was barking out orders and Hurley was muttering "Oh crap !" under his breath. Hurley's endeavours to get Sawyer off his backside and contribute were very determined. So Jack was basically elected leader of the island, but he does tend to go over the top a bit and needs to share out the responsibility so he doesn't end up being the dictator. Ditto Kate. She has good leadership qualities (i.e. bossy !) but can also tend to go a bit over the top. A good leader will always encourage people to step up - Jack seems to go marching around looking harried and concerned but doesn't want anyone else to take over the reins. Anyway, just my 2 cents. I would like to like Jack more than I do, but I've never liked arrogance. There are moments when you can see a nicer person in there, but too often the surgeon comes out and takes over !

[sweetsunray]

I hear you regarding the bossiness, and understand, certainly in later episodes... But I don't see it here in this episode... and that's why I said "at this point". Sometimes, there are situations where a leader must give short "orders". I don't even take it as an order per se in such situations, because "orders" have to negative a sound. If someone you want to catch up with runs ahead, almost any person will shout something along the lines of "Wait up!" That's not specifically an order, but a request without it being a situation where you can communicate in a more lengthy sentence. Different situations call for different communications and different communication attitudes of a leader. And at least in this episode, I consider it appropriate.

Ozanna: but doesn't want anyone else to take over the reins
Although I agree that a leader should work together with other people, listen to them, ask them for advice, discuss stuff, and make proposals rather than orders, a leader should not let somebody else take over the reins. Often those that want to make decisions instead of the leader only consider their own wants and needs, only their side of the story and motivations and have no idea of the interests of other people in the group (aside from those that agree with them). Normally, a leader knows everyone's interests and can take them into account even if that upsets the strongest figures or the ones with the loudest mouth. And although Jack was questioned whether he still had the good for all in mind at the end of S3, he still did, and that's the reason why he was able to step back into his position. Leaders can delegate or let things go their course when it's of no importance and have people have their input (the reins should be pulled short as little as possible), but ultimately an important decision does need to remain with the leader, even if it's a wrong decision (which is better than no decision). Because whether a leader made the decision or not hirself, the resulting situation will always be on hir shoulders, and they'll get the flack for it, not the one who decided instead. And it's easier for any person to take responsibility over their own decisions than those of an other. Although I disagreed with Jack's decision at the end of S3 about Charlie not going out there, and the way he communicated it, I don't disagree with the fact that as they wanted him to be the leader that gives him not only the power but also the responsibility of the ultimate decision. That's not arrogance imo but part of the job. It's worse imo to be in a group where a leader lets others call the shots or doesn't decide. That is not a leader. I don't disagree with his ideas about leadership, but with some of his decisions and certainly with his bedside manners when it comes to communicating his decisions.

Ozanna: hi, I love reading your rewatches, it just keeps bringing it all back to me !
Thanks :) I love reading all the previous comments, and I hope to catch up soon enough, so that I can post with you all at the same time.

[jane_eire]

silly episode

[ZIA]

LOST Hiatus Rewatch: Week 6, Weds., July 1st-7th
2009
S1E18: Numbers

http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u34/zia29112/LOST%20Stuff/300px-Lost-season1.jpg

[World Walker]

I really love how Michael and Jin come to be friends after all they went through this season. The roots of that truly develop in this episode and I like how Michael’s beginning to understand Jin. One of my regrets from the early seasons is how the writers didn’t allow the Jin/Michael friendship to develop further. Michael basically does his own thing and disappears during much of Season 2. After all that animosity these two people becoming friends was rather cool and I wanted to see more come of it.

Sayid seems to have confirmed that Danielle lives in the Dark Territory. If this is so (and I have no reason to doubt it), how far could her shelter be from The Temple? I guess that question depends on how large the Dark Territory is. We know that it encompasses The Temple as well as the Black Rock and that Danielle’s group seemingly passed through the Dark Territory to reach the radio tower.

Sounds like Hurley broke the house when he fainted!

Hurley’s family = gold; especially Hurley’s mom. :nanabobo:

I’d love to know who that guy was who took a header off the skyscraper in Hurley’s flashback. A lot of people used to think it was Locke, but TPTB debunked that in an interview if I remember correctly.

Hahahahaha….Hurley is spry! :)

Does anybody remember where that beach cable leads? If I recall correctly, it led to The Flame station. At a certain point, however, Sayid notes that the cable dips into the ground.

Lenny: “You’ve opened the box!” Although I tend to think of this as a throwaway line, it does serve as a parallel to the Magic Box Ben alluded to, metaphorically of course, on the Island. Fun comparison I wanted to throw out.

Oh look everyone, the random gorge and roped bridge we never see again!

So, Lenny and his partner were stationed in the Pacific and suddenly picked up the transition of the numbers. Could the Island have migrated within range, following Hawking’s claim that it always moves?

“Maybe it’s a pissed off giraffe…” Hurley is hilarious when he’s angry! “Now, I want some frikkin’ answers!” The look of surprise on Danielle’s face at Hurley’s outburst was beyond classic. :rotfl:

Hurley: “There’s a radio tower on this Island?”
Danielle: “Yes, up by the Black Rock.”

So, I guess we can conclude from the previous dialogue that the Radio Tower is technically within the Dark Territory as well, just on higher ground.

Interesting how Danielle validates Hurley’s claim that the numbers are cursed. They both have a lot in common; the numbers brought them both to the island, or so they say, and they both are (arguably) mentally unstable.

I really like how Locke made a cradle for baby Aaron. That was a nice heartwarming scene. Between knocking people on the head, blowing things up, and being a boob, Locke really had his moments.

The numbers on the hatch at the end was truly an amazing end to an episode; this was one of the best endings of the entire season, in fact. :Cheers:

[Dew]

Ah those haunting numbers. Sam used the numbers and won a prize for giving the exact number of beans in that jar. Sam's life goes nuts and he even moved to no man's land to get away from the numbers but ending up committing suicide. When Danille agrees with Hurley that the numbers are cursed he was so relieved that he hug Danielle. I was waiting for her to pass out. lol

Hurley makes it across the bridge and then Charlie almost didn't make it across the bridge. Jack gets on my nerves and Charlie not believing Hurley when they shared a secret and getting mad. Hurley just cannot win. :(

[ZIA]

IInteresting how Danielle validates Hurley’s claim that the numbers are cursed. They both have a lot in common; the numbers brought them both to the island, or so they say, and they both are (arguably) mentally unstable.

I loved that scene. It was such a great moment for Hurley to actually connect with someone that really believed him. I think it was good for Danielle too, just for the hug and a thank you from a real human being after all of those lone years. <3 Danielle.

The numbers on the hatch at the end was truly an amazing end to an episode; this was one of the best endings of the entire season, in fact. :Cheers:

Oh definitely! I always loved the numbers, as I do in RL, so I've always been so itrigued with that entire storyline.

[AChristianShephard]

Oh definitely! I always loved the numbers, as I do in RL, so I've always been so itrigued with that entire storyline.

Your a numerologist?

This season was hitting it's peak here, something from memory it now see's all the way through to Exodus.
I'm amazed we had to wait till E18 to discover the numbers though, feels like they were about right from the very beginning.

Im too tired to go into specifics, I may return tomorrow.

9/10