LOST Hiatus Rewatch #3 (07/08/09-07/14/09)-S1E20: Do No Harm

[Brian]

This is the discussion thread for the LOST-TV Hiatus Rewatch - Season 1 Episode 20 , "Do No Harm"

Written by : Janet Tamaro

The original (or as close to original as exists) thread for this episode can be found here (http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6156).

General questions about the LOST-TV Hiatus Rewatch can be posted in the LOST-TV Hiatus Rewatch thread (http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=37370).

Episode Description:

Jack tries to save Boone after his fall from the beechcraft. Claire goes into labor in the jungle. Sayid takes Shannon on a romantic overnight picnic.

[catnap]

Such a great episode - so much happening! One of the first things that struck me was Sawyer's failure to argue with Kate when she asked him for all his alcohol. What happened here? Not only did he give it up easily, he offered anything else and offered to come. He must really have it bad for Kate at this point or he's starting to become a little nicer.

Jack's flashbacks sort of surprised me because I thought we saw Sarah and the accident and surgery before the wedding scene where she discusses her surgery and recovery. It's not like the writers to have given the outcome of the surgery away before we see any of those scenes.

Aaron's birth was great and uplifting. Boone dying didn't affect me much since I knew it was coming. But nice parallels between new life and death.

Jack seemed still very in need of Christian's approval, and he did kind of realize he might be marrying Sarah for the wrong reasons (he felt responsible for her & had to take care of her). More crying for Jack at the wedding.

That's all I got for now!

[ozanna]

Catnap
I had exactly the same thought about Sawyer and his willingness to give up his booze, and also the fact that he was quite happy to go with her and help. I don't think (I hope) it was just because of his feelings for Kate - he has a soft spot for Claire, and offers her some fish when she walks past the raft earlier in the day. I can never figure why Kate has to be so rude when she asks him for stuff. Hurley asked nice for the manifest, and Claire asked nice for the dead passengers' belongings for the funeral, and they had no problems. Same thing in S2E15 "Maternity Leave" when she demanded his gun and said "you don't get to ask why". That time too after the initial wtf, he gave it to her and offered to go and help. Maybe if she'd let him go with her today she wouldn't have got in such a mess with Claire and the booze.
Kate tends to go charging off like a bull at a gate, wanting to do everything herself and ends up getting in all sorts of strife.

Jack, Hurley and Sun are at the caves working on Boone, after Jack has sent Kate to get Sawyer's booze. Jack's frantic efforts to save Boone don't go well.

His flashbacks show the events of his wedding, starting with Marc Silverman, his old school friend and best man telling him its not too late to back out.

Is Jack still having doubts ? At their wedding rehearsal Sarah makes a little speech telling Jack he is the most committed man she has ever known, he fixed her and is her hero. :rolleyez:

That evening Jack is playing the piano in the hotel bar, Sarah comes downstairs in her PJs and tells Jack he doesn't have to marry him if he doesn't want to - she doesn't want him to feel indebted to her. He doesn't look too sure .

Next day Jack is having a very large drink at the hotel pool when Christian arrives. Jack is trying to write his vows. He is still doubtful about marrying Sarah. Christian tells him that his committnent is what makes him tick, and that he is no good at letting go.

Jack and Sarah finally marry (or do they ?) and Jack tells Sarah that it was she who saved him.

Back at the caves Jack is stitching up Boone and tells Sun he needs blood
and sends Charlie off to find out everybodys blood type. He and Sun continue trying to fix him up. Meanwhile Kate has ended up in the jungle trying to deliver Claire's baby. Just getting Claire to actually have the baby would have been good ! She is having cold feet. Kate is panicking and calling for Jack, Claire is panicking and calling for Jack .... ! Jack is busy trying to save Boone.

Meanwhile Shannon and Sayid are canoodling on the beach, and she tells Sayid that she and Boone are not blood siblings but step brother and sister. Does that mean its OK that they slept together ?:nanabobo:

Back at the ER Jack has got Michael to rig up some sort of guillotine as they need to amputate Boone's leg. I found things a bit blurry at this point, and I guess Hurley would have done, too ! As it turned out Boone persuades Jack not to do it, its not going to work. He 's all broken up inside. He releases Jack from his promise. Just before he dies he tells Jack to "tell Shannon. Tell Shannon ...." What ?

Back at the beach Claire and Aaron are welcomed back at the beach. Sayid and Shannon arrive back from their night of love, and Jack breaks the news to poor Shannon, who goes to the caves to grieve over Boone.

Jack and Kate discuss Boone - "He died" says Kate. "No he didn't" says Jack, "he was murdered". He then goes marching off to look for Locke.

[Darkrogue]

Orientations and class planning are in full swing for the upcoming fall semester, so I will unfortunately be a bit later in jumping in on discussions from here on in (weekends, most likely).

But I can say this: one thing I remember about Do No Harm is that the actor playing Jack’s best man is Zack Ward, or Scott Farkus (so help me God he had yellow eyes!) from 1983’s A Christmas Story. :D

[MaxPower]

Hi All!

So happy to finally have my discs back! Now I have to just make sure I find the time to rewatch them!

This episode has a special little nook in my heart as it was the very first one I saw. I was one of those who started watching Lost on DVD after the 2nd season aired. I was bored one night and Do No Harm was on. I didn't even know these characters, the story line, the mysteries and I still thoroughly enjoyed it. When I started watching season 1, I remember "meeting" Boone and just spent the whole time waiting for the epsiode where he dies!

Ok, onward.

Such a great episode - so much happening! One of the first things that struck me was Sawyer's failure to argue with Kate when she asked him for all his alcohol. What happened here? Not only did he give it up easily, he offered anything else and offered to come. He must really have it bad for Kate at this point or he's starting to become a little nicer.


I justified his willingness to hand over his "stash" I think because he could read Kate pretty well and "knew" it was something extremely serious. Some time has passed between this and the whole Shannon/inhaler thing...I believe Saywer is just becoming part of the community, despite his best efforts to not. :)



Aaron's birth was great and uplifting.


I'm a sucker for stuff like this. I loved when she just flat out refused to push. And I love this side of Kate. I also loved when Nikki and Paulo asked to hold the baby and Nikki dropped him...oh wait...wrong thread.

...his old school friend and best man telling him its not too late to back out.

Is Jack still having doubts ?

- she doesn't want him to feel indebted to her. He doesn't look too sure .

He is still doubtful about marrying Sarah. Christian tells him that his committnent is what makes him tick, and that he is no good at letting go.

Jack and Sarah finally marry (or do they ?)

I'm not sure if I read too much into the marriage doubt issue. I think more often than not, people really stuggle with the question of whether or not they're doing the right thing before their wedding. I don't think Jack doubted that he wanted to be with Sarah, but more of his ability to be what she needed.

Oz, why do you question if they really got married? :scratchch

More crying for Jack at the wedding.

Aw, come on! Who here isn't a sucker for a groom shedding some tears at his own wedding? :D


As for Boone's death...it didn't really move me either. But I think it really served it's purpose. We get the first real taste of what Jack's nemesis is...knowing when to let go. We see him stuggle with this problem all the way through to the season 3 finale. I'll go as far as to say, this stuggle of Jack's will have a direct affect on the outcome of the series.

[11Rooster11]

Just what I always wanted more insight into the Jack backstory. Uhhhg. Jack has now had three eisodes to everyone else's 1 (except Kate, Sawyer, Charlie & John). You could argue that Shannon & Walt have had none at this point.

Anyway more maniacal Jack... He is obsessed with control. And he couldn't control Boone's downward spiral. Sun, Michael and even Boone realized there was nothing realistic that could be done. Jack is stubborn and insistent all the way until Boone convinces him to stop.

Why was Jin the only person that could hear Kate's screams? The scenes with Jin were classic. He communicated brilliantly without speaking English. His expressions had me laughing out loud.

It ends with Jack jumping to conclusions. Jack concludes that John lied. While John certainly should have stayed and given a more accurate and complete account of the accident, saying that Boone fell was true. Based on the conclusion that John lied, Jack further determines that John must have murdered Boone. Despite delivering Boone back to the caves for treatment, Jack still determines it to be murder? Not many murderers deliver their still breathing victims to a doctor.

I also noticed the attempt to contrast the life (Aaron) & death (Boone). Do you think it's a coincidence that the people around the "life" are Kate, Jin and Charlie while the people around the "death" are Jack, Sun, Hurley, and Michael?

[Unlocke Locke]

I thought killing off Boone and Shannon was a bad move for the story, although I did like this episode.

Its still a mystery to me why they would want to kill off a character that made John Locke look like a God. Plus why go through all the trouble to create an intriguing backstory for Boone and Shannon and then kill them off?

[ozanna]

MaxPower

Oz, why do you question if they really got married?

When the episode first showed I'm sure I remembered people discussing the fact that Jack and Sarah may not have actually married - we never saw the actual vows being made. However, I just had a quick look at the episode discussion thread, but couldn't find anything. Maybe I am just going quietly insane !!!!! I definitely remember a discussion somewhere.

But there did seem to be a nice little parallel between Jack reluctantly having to give up on Boone, at his insistance, "I'm letting you off the hook", and the repeated questions from Marc, Christian and even Sarah as to whether he was prepared to be married. Sarah would also be "letting him off the hook", if he wasn't ready.

Looking at this again it just makes Jack look like a precious little pup who can't make up his mind about anything but won't take advice because after all he knows best - "me first, me first !" You are so right 11Rooster11 I really think he is the most obnoxious person on this island. His megalomania has totally taken over. I could go on but I won't ! He sends my blood pressure up - and not in the same way Sawyer does !!!!!!

[ZIA]

MaxPower

But there did seem to be a nice little parallel between Jack reluctantly having to give up on Boone, at his insistance, "I'm letting you off the hook", and the repeated questions from Marc, Christian and even Sarah as to whether he was prepared to be married. Sarah would also be "letting him off the hook", if he wasn't ready.

I agree completely. I felt that Sun was the only one thinking clearly during the Boone emergency. Where did she get all that knowledge anyway?

I noticed the red tatto on Jack's forearm during the Boone crisis for the first time too. Anyone else?
I thought Kate was stellar inthis episode. I wish she could always tough and comforting.
Maxpower-Claire was awesome refusing to push. It made me really sad when she said "The baby won't want me. It knows I don't want it."

I loved Jin in this episode as well. I think this episode is when Jin became one of my favorite characters.

I think everyone covered all of the annoying Jack things that I can possibly think of too. ;) So, I'll leave it at that.

Darkrogue-everytime I see that guy I think I know him. Lol!

[Darkrogue]

Poor Boone. I always cringe at the lung thing. And the fracture-setting. Having a bone set really hurts.

This episode made me realize that I don't know my bloody blood-type either. Eh. It'll probably be the death of me.

Just what I always wanted more insight into the Jack backstory. Uhhhg. Jack has now had three eisodes to everyone else's 1 (except Kate, Sawyer, Charlie & John). You could argue that Shannon & Walt have had none at this point.

Rooster, I agree, everything about Jack is boring, especially his flashbacks. I always felt like this one should have belonged to Boone, anyway. Jack gets a very disproportionate amount of episodes, and it only gets worse.

I also noticed the attempt to contrast the life (Aaron) & death (Boone). Do you think it's a coincidence that the people around the "life" are Kate, Jin and Charlie while the people around the "death" are Jack, Sun, Hurley, and Michael?

I noticed this as well, though I’m not sure if there is any significance to it. Jin is very good soothing Claire, and Charlie is so eager to help (adding further credence to my belief that he was initially attracted to the baby, and then Claire).

In a way, both Jin and Charlie are “daddies” on the island, even if Charlie is not Aaron’s actual father and Jin is unaware that he is a father yet. They remind me of daddies pacing nervously in the waiting room, and that triumphant moment where they hug is heartwarming and always pulls a smile/laugh from me. I’ve always loved the interaction between them (I guess I've always been partial to members of the "B-team" and their moments together). :D

Jack’s actions in this episode remind me a lot of the way he acts in every stressful or dire situation. He becomes Captain Ahab, and won’t listen to anyone else. He should listen to Sun. He should do what he can to make Boone comfortable once he realizes what is going on with him. He needs to be with Claire, and if I were Kate, I would have been pissed for him to designate me as the one to deliver the baby.

As catnap, ozanna and MaxPower have discussed, I too noticed how quickly Sawyer reacted when Kate rushed up and demanded the alcohol. He realizes that whatever it is, it is urgent. To me, that is yet more evidence that he’s not such a bad guy at heart. He doesn’t ask any questions initially; he gets up and hurries with her. His true self comes to the surface when it matters. I don’t think it has as much to do with Kate as it does he realizes something potentially life-threatening is happening with someone, and Kate’s demeanor was probably startling to him.

This is a big episode for Shannon, even if she is not featured a lot. It is ironic that she is off having a romantic evening with Sayid while Boone lies dying. Her admission that she never loved Boone in “that way” is not surprising though. I never felt she did, and it still vilifies her, in that she used his emotions and basically perpetuated his unrequited feelings when she slept with him. Boone is even murmuring her name as he is lying there, and she isn’t even here for the poor fool. She had to experience some guilt when she realized what had happened.

Jack’s crap plan to cut off Boone’s leg is another example of his inconsiderate methods. It is not going to help Boone, rather it will place him in that much more pain (in fact I think the shock of that kind of intense pain might be enough in itself to kill him, after the trauma his body is suffering already). Jack wants to do that for Jack’s sake. It isn’t about Boone at this point.

At least he is still capable of being reached, however. He had to hear it from Boone himself—“let me go”. It’s a good thing Boone was able to be coherent enough to make that request.


I thought killing off Boone and Shannon was a bad move for the story, although I did like this episode.

Its still a mystery to me why they would want to kill off a character that made John Locke look like a God. Plus why go through all the trouble to create an intriguing backstory for Boone and Shannon and then kill them off?

I do agree that is was a bad move to get rid of both of them, especially so close together. Shannon’s death was when I began to question TPTB’s methods and reasoning in terms of character-deaths. Whereas Boone’s death did not smack of a problem in the storytelling, the deaths of some other characters have, and Shannon’s was the first to hint at that.

Darkrogue-everytime I see that guy I think I know him. Lol!

I dated a guy that looked like Scott Farkus once. It was peer pressure.

[ozchick]

While I don't miss Boone at all, this episode does make me :cry:

One random thing I noticed was that Jack used a knitting needle to puncture Boone's collapsed lung. It's always good for a knitter like me to be aware of the alternate uses of my tools. :p

I think some of the best acting work in this episode is by Daniel Dae Kim and Yunjin Kim. I love how Sun has grown some balls and orders Jack around. I also love the scene when Jin arrives at the caves. He's not at all expecting to see Sun there, and it pains him to have to speak with her, but he knows he needs to in order to help Claire.


I also noticed the attempt to contrast the life (Aaron) & death (Boone).
I love this intercutting of scenes.

I think the last sequence set almost entirely to music is just beautiful.

This episode should make everyone find out their blood type. I'm a universal donor like Jack, O negative. The Red Cross loves me.


But I can say this: one thing I remember about Do No Harm is that the actor playing Jack’s best man is Zack Ward, or Scott Farkus (so help me God he had yellow eyes!) from 1983’s A Christmas Story. :D
I dated a guy that looked like Scott Farkus once. It was peer pressure.
My very first boyfriend ever looked like Scut Farkus. I can't even blame peer pressure, but I was only 13, if that counts for anything. :rolleyez:

Sawyer nicknames:
Mamacita: Claire
Kato: Jin

[Locke 'n' Load]

It ends with Jack jumping to conclusions. Jack concludes that John lied. While John certainly should have stayed and given a more accurate and complete account of the accident, saying that Boone fell was true. Based on the conclusion that John lied, Jack further determines that John must have murdered Boone. Despite delivering Boone back to the caves for treatment, Jack still determines it to be murder? Not many murderers deliver their still breathing victims to a doctor. I

I couldn't believe Jack's arrogance the first time I watched this episode and he accused Locke of murder. I was so mad!!:mad: Who does this guy think he is? With each episode, I disliked him more and more....and more. I really did try to find some redeeming quality to offset his megalomania, but alas, there was none to be found. I thought I was alone in the world with my dislike until I found that some of you on this site think the same way. Wow, Thanks!

One of the first things I noted, as many of you have mentioned aleady, is that Sawyer did not hesitate one iota when Kate came to him for the alcohol. I believe the truth came out without him trying to put on the tough I-don't-care attitude. There was no time for that....we just got pure Sawyer, the one he tries to hide under the gruff exterior.

We mourned a death and celebrated a new life in this episode. Too bad Claire didn't name the baby "Boone".:D

[ozanna]

Locke'n'Load

is that Sawyer did not hesitate one iota when Kate came to him for the alcohol.

Apart from the fact that Sawyer is my hero, guilty pleasure, whatever !! I'm finding it really interesting seeing the human side of Sawyer emerging. After rewatching these early episodes its interesting to see Sawyer and Sayid, who were almost the darker characters, becoming more sympathetic, while Jack the great white hero is getting more and more out of control, and seems to have very little tolerance for anyone.

[Darkrogue]

I agree that Jack eventually comes off looking like the most obnoxious/least sympathetic person in the bunch. I don’t know if it’s intentional or not…

Sawyer’s definitely taken some dark turns, but in spite of that, I feel he is a good person inside, whether he wants to admit it or not. Scenes like the one being discussed just prove that. As LnL pointed out, we see snips of the “real” James Ford when the situation forces it out of him, and when there is no time or opportunity for him to utilize his facade. The spontaneous moments are the most telling. It’s when he is unaware of it that his “human” side shows through.

I couldn't believe Jack's arrogance the first time I watched this episode and he accused Locke of murder. I was so mad!!:mad: Who does this guy think he is? With each episode, I disliked him more and more....and more. I really did try to find some redeeming quality to offset his megalomania, but alas, there was none to be found. I thought I was alone in the world with my dislike until I found that some of you on this site think the same way. Wow, Thanks!

(It sounds like you might enjoy a browse through the thread linked in my sig, if you haven't done so already). ;) :D

[abcdxyz]

Too bad Claire didn't name the baby "Boone".:D

Yuck!

[abcdxyz]

As a number of you have remarked, Sawyer did give up the alcohol to Kate without question. I interpreted this as being ENTIRELY about Kate. First, remember when she helped him track the boar; she made him agree to give her "carte blanche" to his stash. He's evidently keeping that bargain.

But also, over and over, Sawyer treats Kate as an equal. He can see from her urgency that the situation is a crisis, and he trusts her judgment about it. He doesn't question why, or what she needs it for, or who said, he just gives it to her because he respects her judgment. In my view, and I'm not really a shipper, this respect that Sawyer has for Kate makes him the only one who makes sense for her as a partner. I only wish Kate could see this and quit making goo-goo eyes at Jack. Sawyer does "have it bad" for Kate already, but so much more importantly, he respects her. Odd, for a man who makes a career out of conning women out of their money by romancing them, isn't it?

[Locke 'n' Load]

(It sounds like you might enjoy a browse through the thread linked in my sig, if you haven't done so already). ;) :D

Thanks, Darkrogue, I have visited your thread before, and I must say I enjoy it when people agree with me.:D
I haven't posted there yet, but it's fun to read everyone's comments.

LnL

[ozanna]

abcdxyz


Originally Posted by Locke 'n' Load
Too bad Claire didn't name the baby "Boone".
Yuck! :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

I bet you any money you like there were moves to do that very thing ! How nauseating would that have been ! :rolleyez: :rolleyez: :rolleyez:

[Hodgepodge]

Not one of my favorite episodes. It ended up #19 on my list.

...One of the first things that struck me was Sawyer's failure to argue with Kate when she asked him for all his alcohol. What happened here? Not only did he give it up easily, he offered anything else and offered to come. He must really have it bad for Kate at this point or he's starting to become a little nicer...
...I had exactly the same thought about Sawyer and his willingness to give up his booze, and also the fact that he was quite happy to go with her and help. I don't think (I hope) it was just because of his feelings for Kate...I thought she received Carte Blanche when it came to his stash? Remember, that was her condition when she helped him track the boar in Outlaws.

I agree, there was a lot of things happening in this episode. Jack trying to save Boone by any means necessary. I remember when this episode first aired, looking away when he decided to cut off Boone's leg. We saw Sun take control of the preceedings and bring a close to Boone's suffering.

Watching the dialog again between Jack and Christian reaffirmed my belief that Christian wasn't such a bad father. Yeah, he was a drunk and tried to get his son to cosign his irresponsibility in the OR, but Jack always looked to his father and Christian was always there. :cry:

Looking at how Kate handled Aaron's birth again, I'm surprised she didn't know what she was doing. We know she can handle a gun. She can track with the best of them. She was probably just fooling around! :nanabobo: And Charlie and Jin were simply fantastic! You can tell how much Jin wanted a baby. I hope he's allowed to be a father. :pray:

[ozanna]

Hodgepodge

Looking at how Kate handled Aaron's birth again, I'm surprised she didn't know what she was doing.

This scene always reminded me of "Gone with the Wind" when Melanie went into labour and Prissy swore black and blue she knew all about child birth, but it turned out she was lying ! Scarlett totally panicked, nearly killed Prissy, but went ahead and delivered the baby anyhow. At least Kate stuck to her guns, and I confess that I don't often say anything too
flattering about Kate ! However, if the cap fits .....

As far as Sawyer giving Kate the booze, I don't think Carte Blanche even registered with him, he just knew that there was a crisis going on, that the booze was needed desperately, and there was no question that he would give it to her ....... without question !

[Hodgepodge]

Hodgepodge



This scene always reminded me of "Gone with the Wind" when Melanie went into labour and Prissy swore black and blue she knew all about child birth, but it turned out she was lying ! Scarlett totally panicked, nearly killed Prissy, but went ahead and delivered the baby anyhow...:rotfl: I remember that scene Ozanna! :rotfl: "I don't know nothin' 'bout birthin' babies!"

[sweetsunray]

The new life and death epi. I remember I was as angry with Locke as Jack was the first time. I do realize now that Locke was just mainly ignorant about injuries, the differences between a crushed leg and a broken one, and being there to tell every little detail of the accident to the doctor. But that does not totally exhonerate him: he did give false information to cover a secret that shouldn't have been a secret (and yes that qualifies as a lie) and at least it worsened Boone's suffering (Jack wouldn't have set his leg), he was not present to continue aid or give information, he did not fully inform Boone about his dream, and in the next episode he re-appears with Boone's blood still all over his shirt.

Well, I wasn't surprised by Sawyer's willingness to give the alcohol. Kate's voice shows urgency, along with the fact that she has carte blanche. But it's her urgency that makes him forget to go on his tough-cool-act. He shot the polar bear, complied to the Marshall's wish to "euthanize" him, and he rushed to inform Kate about Jack and Charlie in the cave-in. When actually needed, he's there.

It seems some think Kate could have treated Sawyer better when asking (well ordering) his alcohol and should have allowed him to accompany her. I don't think there's much time or room for niceties. And when she shouts, "Sawyer, I need all your alcohol. Now!" to me it sounds as if she expects him to help her. So, to me that's even a positive attitude of hers. Sawyer, seems to take it thay way too. As for accompanying her, Sawyer isn't the most favoured guy around, and the last thing Jack and Sun need is a guy who'll deliver them one-liners (however insightful). She does say thanks and thus made note of his gesture. Yeah, he could have been handy with Claire, but nobody knew yet she would be in labour.

Sun's medicine plant knowledge and functioning like a nurse: I too wonder where she got it from. I had expected it to be because she studied medicine for a while or as a nurse, but that turned out to be wrong. I've compared her with the Dogville mobster daughter scenario before, and now I'm wondering whether she once was a volunteer somewhere, partly as a reaction against her father, and learned to handle crisises there. It would seem to fit her profile. She found out about her father's work ethics and tactics and disgusted by it didn't want to have anything to do with him anymore and was resolved to counter his badness by volunteering at some disaster area with idealistic save the world ideas with the red cross or something. What is most surprising of Sun in relation to what we actually know of her background so far is how well she can handle the blood, gore and crisis in this episode. Some people do have the natural talent to stay calm and cool in panicky situations, even as kids. But her attitude seems to go beyond that and ordering her dad's maids around doesn't seem to cut it for me. She even seems more experienced than Jack with survival crisis, certainly in an area with no modern medical resources. As a volunteer at a red cross disaster area she would have faced such scenarios often.

Strange, you'd expect Jack to have learned to recognize a lost cause at ER, but he seems to embody the attitude of many doctors, who are willing to go to any extent to save a patient. It's part of his personal problem in letting go, but I'm sure his own work environment fed into that. It comes back to Sawyer's arguments against using all the medicine on the Marshall. Jack had a hard time recognizing that was a lost cause too.
I don't think it has to do with megalomania or too big an ego of wanting to be the personal saviour. I think it has to do with an unrelentless motivation to make the impossible happen (not for his own ego) as a beheld ideal of morality, that not only lives in Jack, but in our medical society. And that's not always bad, as Charlie was able to testify after being strung up by Ethan. In his profession in our world it would be regarded as amoral not to keep on trying, not to give that individual all the treatment you can come up with. Just look at how volatile the subjects such as euthanasia are, even amongst medical society members. Heck, even at first aid and as personnel of an emergency vehicle, you're trained in helping the one who is the worst off first if you have to choose between two patients.
Jack is the perfect embodiment of that. The decision to remain with Boone instead of going to Claire is also a perfect example of that. It would be more amoral to Jack and the medical society he identifies with to leave Boone's side than to have other help Claire with her delivery. Jack is still living in the hospital in his mind when it comes to an emergency. And this is ingrained so deeply that a few weeks and the few cases on the island so far would not have helped him overcome that. I don't think we could expect that at all from Jack.
I'm surprised even that he had the ability to ultimately let go of Boone on Boone's request. At least it's good that the last few decades the patient's rights have gained importance in what doctors have to take into account. Patients gained the right to refuse certain treatment and doctors have learned to accept that. And that is how imo Jack translates Boone's request. He could not allow Sun or Hurley's judgement because they aren't doctors, nor are they close relatives that can speak for Boone. But Boone has the right to refuse treatment and when he does it's his obligation to give into that. And Jack does. I wonder if Shannon had been there and had made the same request it would have stopped Jack from amputating the leg if Boone hadn't come to. I suspect he would have. But I doubt whether Shannon would have tried to prevent it. I suspect she'd have supported Jack in his "at all costs" attitude. So, it's perhaps just as well that she wasn't present.

Sun comes from a different society, where this "save the patient at all costs" is not such a domineering mindset. And if I'm right about suspecting her once to have been a volunteer with red cross for example, she would also have more personal experiences with admitting that the situation is hopeless that saving the patient at all costs will only prolong the suffering as well as won't do the others who might pull through much good. Let's say that in a refugee camp where medical supplies are meager and ORs are least from ideal, the situations themselves teach staff to accept more easily that the worst off patient won't be rescued and that it's better to save the few resources for the ones who have a better chance at survival.

FB: yeah it's kinda boring and a glaring contrast to what's happening on the island. It seems that his S3 FB where he follows Sarah around and is unrelentless about finding out about who's the one she left Jack for would have been more appropriate here. It all seems so perfectly mushy, doesn't it? Sarah calling him her hero for fixing, because that's how he is, because he's so committed. How soon will she turn 180° and blame him for what he is. Yeah, she liked him for saving her, for fixing her up, but she doesn't like to share it, does it. And when you think of the timeline she made her turn-around in a couple of months time, no more than half a year of marriage it seems. I don't like Sarah at all, especially because she puts 100% repsonsibility at Jack's feet. As far as I know he wasn't the one who had an affair and she knew full well who she was about to marry. They both married for the wrong reasons. That she fooled herself with her hero-illusions is her own fault. Of the two I think Jack was the most aware that marriage was about the person you married. Sarah just couldn't wait to have her mascotte by her arm and show him off.
CHRISTIAN SHEPHARD: Yeah, well, you're a doctor, not a writer.
Says it perfectly.

CHARLIE: I asked the whole sodding camp -- no one knows their blood type. I don't know my bloody blood type.
I know my blood type :) A+. Can't be a donor though: too often abroad at areas that are considered unsafe. By the time I'm done with the waiting period (6 months) I'm already off again.

Love Charlie again:
CHARLIE: Not to rain on your proverbial parade but I thought you said we needed someone who was A negative.
JACK: Or O negative.
CHARLIE: Right, which judging by your tantrum, no one is.
BTW If Jack indeed had a deflated ego who can't booker a stain on it, then he would act insulted by Charlie's words. He isn't.

JACK: Does he know how fast the contractions are coming?
SUN [translating]: Every 2 minutes.
Those whatches came in handy. But that bit of information always jolts me out of the story. I really can't imagine Jin standing there, looking at his watch and timing the contractions. It doesn't match with Kate sending him off in a hurry for Jack.

HURLEY: Whoa, dude. You alright, man? You're looking kind of goth.
LOL

Kate and Claire: Kate's surprised when Jack gives her the responsibility of delivering the baby. She panics for a moment, showing that although she's eager to help people, she doesn't have much confidence in her abilities (and she showed the same doubt with regards to Locke, although she and Jack followed the correct trail). Claire holding her breadth was super! And then the men, Charlie and Jin, are awfully cute. Nice for Jin who wants to be a daddy, and who once, quite embarrassed, felt Claire's baby kick, to be present.

JACK: Don't tell me what I can't do!
Now that's a familiar line! Isn't that Locke's?

Boone dies alone, without Shannon, her name last on his lips, never able to finish what he wanted to be said to her... Live together, die alone.

The beach scene: a happy-sad scene... bittersweet.

As for Jack jumping to conlusions: I guess he did... Starts to become a familar pattern:
- Sawyer -> Sayid: terrorism, based on skin color and looks, his neighbour passengers being dead and the presence of a Marshall on the plane, 9/11 -> fight
- Jin -> Michael: theft, based on Michael wearing one of the watches of Mr. Paik -> Michael beaten up
- Camp (including Michael) -> Jin: unwarranted assault, beating up Michael, Asians acting racist in the US towards African Americans -> handcuffed in the sun
- Camp -> Boone: theft, dissapearance of the water and Boone caught giving it to Claire -> Boone ousted
- Boone -> Sawyer: theft, based on reading a book that was in the same luggage as the inhalers and acting like a dragon sitting on his treasure -> Sawyer tortured, Boone beaten up
- Sayid -> Sawyer: theft and sabotage, based on the same information as Boone, Locke's lies and insinuations about who may have knocked Sayid unconscious, beating up Boone over touching his stash, and being racist with a personal grudge against Sayid -> Sawyer tortured and wounded in his arm
- Jack -> Sawyer: theft, based on the same information as Boone, beating up Boone over touching his stash, and not declaring he doesn't have it when Jack asks for the inhalers -> Sawyer tortured
- Kate -> Sawyer: theft, based on the same information as Boone, Sawyer not declaring de doesn't have it when she asks him what he wants in return for the inhalers -> Sawyer gets a kiss
- Michael -> Jin: arson, based on Jin beating him up once over the watch, Sun declaring Jin is dangerous, Michael interfering in their marriage dealings, and along the way (already after his first accusations) because Jin has burned hands and can't defend himself in English (nor does it sound like he wanted to defend himself... sounds like Sawyer) -> Jin beaten up
- Sawyer -> Jin: arson, same reasons as Michael -> clubbers Jin down and hauls him to camp and keeps anyone from preventing Michael beating up Jin
- Jack -> Locke: murder, based on fleeing from the medical scene, leaving Jack without precise information, giving Jack false information about the cicrumstances of the accident (Locke'n load, he did give false and incomplete information... he said they were hunting and made it appear as if it was a free fall accident), which becomes clear when Boone comes to and tells what happened and why, Locke's lies about hunting these past weeks and the reasons why there ar no boar, and Locke wanting to keep the hatch secret -> Locke tackled
- Shannon -> Locke: murder, based on the same information as Jack -> grazes Locke's skull with a bullet
That kinda sums it up for now. Jack's accusations are the heaviest, but Locke's actions also have the most detrimental effect, and Locke did act wrong and unsafe, and lied about several things concerning this case for several weeks, and of the accusations this seems to be the most founded, whereas most others accused many based on nothing more than personal grudges, racism.

[jane_eire]

Mirrorshot: Jack and his best man, Marc Silver-Man get gussied up in front of a mirror. In their dialogue all kinds of twinning occurs - they both talk of nervousness, responsibility, and backing out. The scene is a reversal itself - since Jack is getting Marc into his tux, it seems like Marc is the groom. Only at the end do we realize that Jack is the groom.

Jack and Claire are also mirror-twinned. Jack's patient, to whom he is tied by blood (via transfusion), comes to death. Claire's patient, to whom she is tied by blood (umbilical cord), comes to life. We now know that Jack and Claire are also tied by blood, they are half-siblings.

Hurley says that Jack looks "goth". Claire is shown as "goth" in Par Avion.

[ZIA]

Jane Eris- Welcome back! I'm happy we didn't lose you. :)

[Randy Nations]

I rewatched this episode last night. I'm not on the regular rewatch schedule. My husband and I just decided to rewatch Season 1 ......again.

Anyway, we caught a couple of lines that seemed meaningful. One was mentioned in this thread already by sweetsunray.

Sun is telling Jack that Boone can't be saved and Jack yells at her "Don't tell me what I can't do". Obviously, this is John's line. But, I feel like it further demonstrates the similarity between two men who appear so at odds with each other. Jack, man of science, John man of faith. Both tortured souls. Both father-less. John's was never around. And Jacks' was, well, never around.....he was an alcoholic. Re-watching this first season is just giving me so much more insight into the Jack/John relationship.

And, when Jin tells Jack that Claire is in labor, Jack tells him that Kate has to handle it. He says, "Tell Kate she has to deliver this baby". My husband and I both said out loud..."wait a minute" and paused the DVD. Kate has to deliver this baby? We both wondered if that meant something more like deliver him to someplace....or to someone? I always believed that Claire had to "raise him" but have been confused by Aaron being with Kate now. So, that line, made me wonder if they were foretelling something regarding Kate's ultimate relationship/role with regard to Aaron.

And, finally, while comforting Claire who is in labor and afraid she will not be a good mother, Kate says "this baby is all of ours". Also some type of foreshadowing?

[ozanna]

Kate says "this baby is all of ours". Also some type of foreshadowing? ITA RandyNatoions I remember commenting on this at the time. I thought to myself "Uh oh !" That didn't sound good ! Kate with a baby did not exactly inspire me with confidence ! But definitely prophetic.

[ZIA]

LOST Hiatus Rewatch: Week 7, Weds., July 8th-14th
2009
S1E20: Do No Harm

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[Dew]

Boone gets the crappy end of the stick. Locke never really cared about Boone. Locke was using Boone. Yeah he takes him back to Jack after he drags Boone out of the plane and lies to Jack, he fell off a cliff. Jack may not be a rocket scientist however he is a doctor and can tell how the injury was or wasn't incurred. Best of all, Locke just disappears and never thinks about Boone. No he is obsessed with that frakkin hatch. Argghhh! Locke lost my respect in this episode. I really felt bad for Shannon. :tears:

Ahh Claire, yes Claire. She has her baby and Kate does the good thing and helps her. Jin was really good at keeping Charlie calm and out of Kate's hair. I found it interesting that as Boone died, Aaron was born. One soul leaves and another soul takes up residence. Wonder what soul Aaron got. :hmm:

Jack is ticked because he knows that Boone didn't fall from no cliff and takes off after Locke. He will wuss out when the meet again. Locke gets a light from the hatch. Oh joy. I did find his dream interesting. He saw Boone as he was after the accident with the plane and his momma pointing to where the plane is and Boone's ditty about Theresa falls up the stairs, Theresa falls down the stairs. Hmm did I just mix this up with the previous episode? :confused:

I didn't realize there was another episode to watch. Maybe later. Maybe tomorrow. :Hippy:

[World Walker]

The first few minutes served to remind me just how crappy Boone’s last day on earth really was. All I kept thinking was: that sucks! :sadwalk:

Sun is proving to be very useful in this episode. As soon as she asserted her independence, as it were, and revealed how she could speak English, she has begun to come into her own. This development continues to refine her character from this point onward and we see her increasingly independent.

Did Jack really fix Sarah? Or did a certain island power (Jacob) play a part in her healing? :scratchch

Shannon and Sayid picked a very unfortunate time to be away. I really felt bad for her when she got back. I can’t imagine how horrible I’d feel if I had gone away and lost my last chance to say goodbye to a loved one.

The blood type thing made me laugh because I don’t even know what my blood type is. Maybe I should find out!

If I was expecting a doctor and then somebody told me that I’d have to deliver a baby, I think I’d kill the doctor next time I saw him. Jack got off lucky! :nanabobo:

Sayid: “Hopes, not expectations.” You sly dog, you!

Holy crap, does anyone else see a Season 5 Sawyer hiding in the bushes just past Claire and Kate during the birthing scene? Nah, I’m just messing, though it was very cool to see this scene from an entirely different perspective many seasons later. The repeated scene makes you question just how important Aaron’s birth was considering how we’ve seen it twice in two different, very far apart, seasons.

I love how Charlie moves toward Claire when she starts pushing and Jin stops him, giving Charlie a kindly nod and a smile. :)

Jack: “Don’t tell me what I can’t do!” That was a very eerie echo of Locke’s famous phrase. Does it mean anything or were the writers just lazy this week?

One thing I’ve always believed is that Locke and Jack are two sides to the same coin; they not only oppose each other, but they also compliment each other as well. Could Jacob and MiB share the same characteristics? Maybe, as some people have theorized, we’ll one day see Locke and Jack (in place of Jacob & MiB) on the beach in the show’s final episode, awaiting that next group of castaways to the Island.

Now Boone’s said, “I’m letting you off the hook.” This is an episode where we’ve seen at least two very popular phrases repeated from other episodes. This was probably the third or fourth time we’ve heard this particular phrase. Again, is there a reason we hear certain phrases over and over again?

Aaron must have a larger part to play in the final season of LOST. I don’t know why, but I just have that feeling. This whole birthing scene just imprinted this sense of deep purpose and I feel we just saw a very important event. Also, as I said above, we’ve seen this scene twice during two seasons. There has to be a reason they chose to show it again so late in the game during a season when Claire is MIA and Aaron’s supposedly stuck off island. There’s no doubt in my mind that we’ll see Aaron again, maybe even as an adult depending on how wacky time goes next season.

A life ends and another begins.

I love the whole musical montage at the end of the episode. The producers did a good job making it as bittersweet as possible. :Cheers:

[ozanna]

I think I'm getting behind here, but I will persevere !

Dew, I remember thinking the same thing about Boone dying at the same time as Aaron was being born. TPTB could have had a bonanza with the ramifications of that ! I'm glad Shannon had Sayid to give her some comfort after Boone died.

She never got to say "goodbye" to him and I thought that was so sad - but just as sad for Boone. Locke covered up Boone's death with Boone into being the sacrifice the island had to have. While Jack, in his eagerness to "save" him caused him untold agony and pointless suffering. And even after his pleas to Jack to let him go.

What was the point of Shannon and Boone, the two somewhat dim innocents, being made the sacrificial lambs ? Was this their only reason for being on the island, and why were the sacrificed.

Strange to think that while Kate was doing the "birthing" Sawyer was standing there watching.

Kate saying that Aaron was "All of our baby now" made me uneasy at the time and now I know why. I expected to see her doing baby sitting duties, nappy changing etc., but the novelty soon wore off and she appeared to lose interest. I never really thought of Kate as the maternal type - just goes to show ya !

Sawyer again showed his willingness to help, and give up his loot, Kate reminds me of Hotlips Houlihan ! Maybe its her Army Dad influence - just kidding !

[AChristianShephard]

Kate reminds me of Hotlips Houlihan !

:Headbang:

[Dew]

Oh snap. ACS caught up to me. I better start watching again. :eek: ;)

[AChristianShephard]

ZOMG ive caught up :runaway::yahoo:

That was 20 eps in about 8 days I think, phew.