View Full Version : LOST Hiatus Rewatch #3 (07/15/09-07/21/09)-S1E22: Born To Run
This is the discussion thread for the LOST-TV Hiatus Rewatch - Season 1 Episode 22 , "Born To Run"
Written by : Story by Javier Grillo-Marxuach, Teleplay by Edward Kitsis and Adam Horowitz
The original (or as close to original as exists) thread for this episode can be found here (http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6158).
General questions about the LOST-TV Hiatus Rewatch can be posted in the LOST-TV Hiatus Rewatch thread (http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=37370).
Episode Description:
Sawyer and Kate fight over his seat on the raft. Sawyer reveals Kate's secret after someone poisons Michael.
I guess I'll go first and then on to "Exodus."
I forgot how primal Kate was in this episode, not to mention that it was Kate's idea to poison Jin, not so he would stay with Sun, but so Kate could get off the Island and run away again...or should I say as usual?
She ruined countless lives because of her actions. I realize in her mind she couldn't take it anymore, but she didn't even live with her Mother when she blew up the house. The only person that can see through Kate this entire time is Sawyer, which is interesting.
I almost had a heart attack when Kate said this...
KATE: Yes. I was on the plane with the Marshal. Yes, I was wanted and caught and being transported back. No matter what I say about what happened -- about what I supposedly did -- I'm going to jail. But I didn't poison you.
I thought "give it up sister". They don't have U.S.Marshalls chasing people around the world that are innocent. Arrgh! Did we ever find out who sent her the money?
My favorite creepy scene in this episode was this one with Walt. I think he even freaked Locke out. I know my skin was crawling.
[Walt looks down at Locke's hand and pulls his arm away.]
LOCKE: What's the matter?
WALT: Don't open it.
LOCKE: What'd you say?
WALT: Don't open it, Mr. Locke. Don't open that thing.
LOCKE: What? What thing?
WALT: Just don't open it.
I consider this to be a set-up for the finale and I don't hate it or love it.
Zia - I totally agree with you about Kate. Right from the start with her flashback and her trunkload of licence plates and her changing hair color, I just thought "what is wrong with this woman ! She goes into the motel, says her name is Joan Hart, picks up a letter that makes her cry, and is holding a bunch of $20 bills. And this is only the first few minutes ! Her whole fbs are like a demolition derby ! Next she's at the hospital with a big bunch of flowers to visit her Mum - wait, no, the flowers are to hide behind from the cops. Oh well, nice thought ! Her childhood friend Tom is evidently a doctor in the hospital, so next we see Kate hiding in the back of Tom's car. Get the picture ! When he gets in his car she tells him she needs some help. Figures !
Next fb at Tom's place with Tom on the 'phone getting info about Kate's Mum, Diane. There is some small talk about Tom's wife and child, wife is conveniently out of town. Kate wants to take a shovel and go digging - Tom be very afraid ....! So off they go to a big tree and start digging. Tom pulls out a New Kids on the Block lunch box (best place for them - sorry) which reveals a red ball cap (Redsox ?), the toy plane, and a tape etc. They listen to the tape which is dated 1989, 15th August. They say they will dig it up in 20 years time, by which time they will be married. But Kate says by that time she will have her licence and she will run away. Tom asks why she always has to run, and Kate says "You know why'. Yes, her father was actually Forrest Gump. They turn off the tape and go back to the hospital. Back at the hospital Tom and an orderly wheel Diane into a side room so Kate can avoid the cop outside Diane's room. Diane screams and cries out for help (why am I not surprised - of course Kate did blow up her husband. That'll do it !) Kate runs (I'm starting to giggle here) to Tom's car followed by a guard, followed by Tom who jumps in with her and tries to make her stop. Are you kidding ? So she crashes through the police blockade and Tom is shot, presumably fatally. Not deterred our intrepid woman of steel jumps out of the car and ........ runs. Sorry to treat Kate with ridicule but, honestly, women can be characterized as intelligent human beings, not bungling, blundering, rampaging idiots.
Meanwhile, back at the ranch.... sorry, island, its all systems go for the good ship "Lost Titanic".
On the beach Kate is sitting with her toy plane - would someone please smash it already - talking to Charlie who thinks that when they are rescued Driveshaft are going to be Megastars. Kate looks pensive, thinking that she'll be toast. Professor Artz, who just popped up from another part of the beach - we all know he's been there all the time, is standing near the raft telling them they have to leave next day or wait another 3 or 4 months because of the monsoon season. He calls Sawyer a hillbilly. Ok so Sawyer was hanging <snip> on weathermen, but we all know what they're like.
Meanwhile Kate goes sidling up to Michael to see what are her chances of getting a spot on the raft. She says she's going too, and she'll take Sawyer's spot because he doesn't know how to sail but she does because she used to sail G-boats when she was young. I would have thought U-boats would have been more appropriate. She also says that all the stuff he provided got burnt with the first raft so it doesn't count any more. Just to add insult to injury she queries why Michael is taking Walt - isn't it too dangerous for him ? Only if you're going with them Honeybun !
Meanwhile Sayid is taking Jack to show him the hatch. Jack wants to know where it is. Locke turns up being all cryptic and says Jack needs to keep an open mind - that'll be the day ! Jack - "Are we there yet ? Are we there yet ?" Yes, they are, and Jack is almost dumb struck.
Back at the raft Sawyer is asking Michael stupid questions like why are they packing fish when they can catch it in the ocean. Seems quite a logical question to me. So Michael says he can turf Sawyer off if he wants - its HIS raft. Later Sawyer finds Kate burning something and asks her what. "Don't give me the awe-golly eyes". He has long ago sussed out about the marshall and the handcuffs and her being prisoner, and why does she have to keep running. He lets her know her secrets safe with him but shes not getting his spot - "puddin' " Her response is "Hey, Sawyer, I want your spot I'll get your spot." Now theres your first mistake, Kate, never judge a hillbilly by its cover. He's really not that stupid, you know.
Back at the raft Walt gives Michael a bottle of water which gives him violent stomach cramps. Walt is scared that his Dad will die and Michael sends him off to find Jack. He finds Kate and Sun and Kate goes looking for Jack while Sun takes Walt back to the raft.
Jack, Locke and Sayid are at the hatch and Jack is having a hissy fit about ''WHY WASN'T I TOLD" Says Locke, "All due respect, Jack, but since when do I report to you ?" Jack's response is "All due respect, John, but you lied". OK they both have a point. Jack wants to open it, Sayid doesn't. he has noticed that there is no handle on the outside. Do we listen to the voice of reason of the voice of "I will have a tantrum if I don't get my own way". Kate arrives on the scene to get Jack, they return to the raft, Jack checks Michael and tells him to rest up. He finds some sort of sediment in the water bottle and tells Michael, who is feeling better to use a fresh one. Michael jumps to the conclusion he was being poisoned and obviously it was Sawyer who did it. 'Course it was. He's a hillbilly and he used to smoke.
Hurley says he knows Sawyer did it because of Kate, because she wants his spot on the raft, and Sawyer figured if Michael was out of action he wouldn't be able to kick him off, or maybe Kate did it so that Michael doesn't get to say who goes. Or something. Anyway according to Hurley its all because of the fugitive thing. Jack gives him a dirty look. Hurley is all injured, like how am I supposed to know who knows what round here.
Steve (or Scott) didn't even know about the polar bear. Locke queries why everone else shouldn't know everything. Jack says "Discretion, John". Oh for God's sake, this man is starting to seriously get on my nerves !!!
Jack and Kate are at the caves looking through his supplies. Jack asks her if she poisoned Michael. "Do you think I'm capable of that ?" I think I just wet myself. Jack - "I don't know what you're capable of". And again.
On the beach Charlie is playing his guitar, while Claire cuts his hair. Thank the Lord for normalcy.
At the hatch Locke is doctoring his wound. Walt says he didn't poison his dad, Locke puts his hand on Walt's arm, and Walt reacts by saying "Don't open that thing". I know, Zia that was a real shivers up the spine moment. Although I'm not too sure if I'd like Locke grabbing me.
Back on the raft Sawyer turns up and gives Michael a bottle of Bismuth, and Michael accuses him if trying to ease his conscience, because he knows Sawyer poisoned him, and he's off the raft because Kate wants his place.
Guess who' s there- Miss golly-gee eyes herself. Sawyer has had the last straw, grabs her back-pack and tips out Joanna's passport which she has doctored for herself. Says she would do anything to get herself off the island with a new ID before they get picked up and surrounded by reporters. She tells him to "shut up". Sawyer says "she don't care about nothin' or nobody but herself". I know a lot of people thought Sawyer was a bastard for doing this, but I think he is justified. Sawyer asks her why she needs to run so bad. She tells him about being on the plane with the marshall and "No matter what I say about what happened - about what I supposedly did - I'm going to jail. But I didn't poison you ". Michael hands the passport back to Sawyer. Maybe he thinks Sawyer can use it himself. Oh dear, I wish I hadn't gone there ! Everyone leaves Kate on her own, and I almost felt sorry for her, but maybe now she'll realize that Sawyer is not such love struck idiot as she thinks.
Jack has realized that Sun attempted to poison Jin to prevent him from leaving. Jack tells her to say goodbye.
Kate is sitting at her little fire. Sawyer comes along and appologizes but says he did what he had to do, she cornered him. He's back on the raft, Michael's going to cowboy up (same expression he used with Karl in S3) and they will sail tomorrow. She asks why its so important for him to leave and he replies "because there ain't nothin' on this island worth staying for". Kate says "Be safe, Sawyer" and again I almost liked her. She's down but not out, and she appears to hold no grudge against Sawyer.
Later we see Kate and Sun talking. It turns out that it was Kate's idea to do the poisoning, but it was to help Sun prevent Jin from going on the raft and also to get Kate a place. Sun used to think when she was a little girl that when you meet a man you love you will be happy for ever. "Me too" says Kate. Watch out Sawyer, but I think she was talking about Tom.
Sorry again that this has gone on so long - I just found it to be so intriguing, annoying, touching and not a real lot of Jack !
(Mod Note: Watch the language please. - Brian)
I would also like to know who the letter/money was from, Zia. I had forgotten a lot of this epi too. I noticed the screen shot of the items from the time capsule in the car after Tom got shot. So that is how Mr. Marshall gets the stuff, and somehow decides to put it in a safe deposit box.
How old were Kate and Tom in 1989? Not old enough to drive yet. But old enough to think they would get married. The voices sounded very young.
That red hat in the box - do we see that again? It seemed familiar.
Darkrogue
08-26-07, 09:38 AM
I agree that Walt was uber creepy when he warned Locke about the hatch. That is one scary kid. In my opinion, we never got a satisfactory explanation for why Walt was so freaked out about the hatch, though. I wonder if we ever will, since the hatch went poof! and hasn’t been really touched upon since.
This was neither one of my favorites, nor did I hate it. Still, it had some very good moments.
The first appearance of Arzt actually works. Like Pikki, he is introduced as though he has been here all along. Unlike with Pikki, however, I believed he had been there all along. Also unlike Pikki, I somewhat liked Arzt, just because I laughed at him. He was annoying, but he was supposed to be annoying.
Kate proves her selfishness many times over in this one, doesn’t she, ZIA? The lengths to which she will go are frightening, really. I felt bad for Tom. Kate and Sawyer are both pretty ruthless in this episode, really. It is fun to watch, though. Both are equally determined in their efforts, and equally scathing towards one another. In some ways, I think Kate deserved her "outing" at Sawyer's hands. At the same time, it's funny how fickle these people can be. As if they all don't have things they've done in the past.
Locke called Jack on a few things in this episode. I was satisfied to see him at least point out some of Jack’s own hypocrisy to him (such as Jack’s decision to sit on the guns, etc). It's about time someone set his sanctimonious ass straight (or at least attempted to do so). Locke was a good rival for Jack in season one especially, and the tension worked very well.
ozanna, I also loved Hurley’s frustration after he spills the beans about Kate’s fugitive status: “How am I supposed to keep straight who knows what around here?” I would feel the same way.
Gahh. Every scene with Charlie just makes me angry now. He and Claire are actually quite cute together in this one (and I'm no shipper). It sucks that we’ll never see the songs he’s been writing on the island come to fruition. Yes, we know they would have completely sucked, but having him write them and then die before they can happen is kind of lame. I bet he'd have had enough material for a rock opera by the time he got home.
Although Michael had begun to grow on me at this point, I was annoyed that he automatically accused Sawyer of poisoning him. Why would Sawyer poison the guy with whom he’s been working to get off the island? Of course, everyone is still in the blame-Sawyer-for-everything mode, so it doesn't surprise me at all. I think part of the reason Sawyer is such a universal scapegoat among the Losties has to do with mob rule/bandwagon mentality. They display this every time a Lostie is ostracized/beaten or otherwise shamed. Everyone clusters around the victim of the week, watches their humiliation (beating, "outing", or whatever), looks down their noses in disdain at the person in question and files away from the scene once the dust clears.
So she crashes through the police blockade and Tom is shot, presumably fatally. Not deterred our intrepid woman of steel jumps out of the car and ........ runs. Sorry to treat Kate with ridicule but, honestly, women can be characterized as intelligent human beings, not bungling, blundering, rampaging idiots.
I laughed too at the idea that Kate emerged from the shooting/wreck not only unscathed, but without a scratch and able to spring out of the car and run down the street (in sandals, no less. Or were they heels? I don’t remember, but they weren’t running shoes, that’s for sure). I was also surprised that no one apparently spotted her in broad daylight fleeing the scene of a fatal accident. But that’s television for you.
Yes, her father was actually Forrest Gump.
:D
Locke called Jack on a few things in this episode. I was satisfied to see him at least point out some of Jack’s own hypocrisy to him (such as Jack’s decision to sit on the guns, etc). It's about time someone set his sanctimonious ass straight (or at least attempted to do so). Locke was a good rival for Jack in season one especially, and the tension worked very well.
I also loved all the tension between Jack and Locke throughout Season 1. Jack was riding Locke's ass in almost every episode. It was a smart move on Locke's part to involve Sayid as mediator between them, apparently Locke had already foreseen Jack would have a nice little attitude problem regarding the hatch due (more than likely) to Jack's past behavior towards Locke.
11Rooster11
08-27-07, 08:22 PM
I may be confusing episodes here but... When the Marshall was at the airport explaining why he "needed five guns," he went into the whole story about putting the plane in the safe deposit box in New Mexico. OK that's interesting to me. The feds/cops (whoever they are) have this enormous surveilance operation set up at the diner designed to capture Kate (when Cassidy assisted her in season 3). But then they actually set a trap for Kate and nobody bothers to notice her asking for a loan? How could this reckless and ridiculous trap be allowed to take place? Makes no sense.
Loved John calling Jack out. "With all due respect..." There are no bigger control freaks out there then Jack. The funny thing is Jack actually got one right this time. He still jumped to the conclusion a little bit IMO but it was correct about Sun.
ozchick
08-28-07, 01:24 AM
Tom pulls out a New Kids on the Block lunch box (best place for them - sorry) which reveals a red ball cap (Redsox ?), the toy plane, and a tape etc. They listen to the tape which is dated 1989, 15th August.
Definitely not a Red Sox cap. I'm looking for a screen shot, but as a die hard BoSox fan, I can tell you it was not, even without the screen shot.
That red hat in the box - do we see that again? It seemed familiar.
I thought it was orange. I'm going to find that screen shot, I swear.
Ok so Sawyer was hanging <snip> on weathermen, but we all know what they're like.
Don't let Aggie hear you say that. :p
There was a lot I had forgotten about in this ep. What was all that about with Kate and the handwritten letter? Is it that she finds out her mother is sick? Who is writing to her as Joan Hart? There's more to find out there.
I also believed Arzt had always been there. Even in S1, there were red shirts we'd never seen, and it worked for him. Not like Nikki and Paolo, it just didn't work there.
Michael makes a telling comment: Finding the island might be hard. Ya think?
Interesting that Jack and Locke are so briefly united about getting in the hatch. Imagine if Sayid had pushed harder against it.
Hurley's one little bit as a gossip hound in this ep is great.
Ok, I've never given birth, so I'm not actually speaking from experience here, and I know it's fiction, etc, etc, but Claire looks way too skinny way too soon after giving birth.
Finally, a direct question! Jack asks Kate straight out if she poisoned Michael, and she evades.
The scenes with Walt are creepy. *insert Twilight Zone music here*
Lots of Sawyer nicknames this time around:
Chief: Michael
Sulu: Jin
Mickey: Michael
Puddin': Kate
Boss; Michael
Boy: Jin
Sweetcheeks: Kate
Freckles: Kate
ETA: OK, here's the hat. As I said, not Red Sox, looks like Westhills, maybe? Could be their high school.
http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l256/ozgirl100/hatinborntorun.jpg
There was a lot I had forgotten about in this ep. What was all that about with Kate and the handwritten letter? Is it that she finds out her mother is sick? Who is writing to her as Joan Hart? There's more to find out there.
That's exactly what I thought. Who would sent her all those $20's and a hand written letter that made her cry. Tom? Could be, but he seemed surprised to see her in the back of his car.
Do you think it could have been her other "Dad"? I can't remember his name right now. Who else is left that cares about her that much? (that we know about)
I know, it's sad, but seriously...
Hodgepodge
08-28-07, 02:43 AM
Haven't rewatched this one yet. But Kate's girlfriend Beth, the one she mentioned would die if she knew about Charlie and Driveshaft in the Pilot episode was the one most theorized for sending the letter and money.
Locke 'n' Load
08-30-07, 04:08 AM
I wonder if we will ever find out who wrote the letter to Kate (aka Joan Hart) and sent her the money.:confused:
It seems to me that Kate got her way with men in the past. She decides she wants something and she goes after it. That’s the Kate we see in this episode. She doesn’t ask, she takes. “I want your spot, I’ll get your spot”. She meant it and it would have happened if Sawyer wasn’t Sawyer and it was another man.
Her relationship with Tom was the same. She came back into his life and got him to do anything she wanted. I must admit, he was something of a wimp and had very little backbone. What was he doing going out to the tree with her? And why the heck did he bring beer? What was he thinking? What about loyalty to his wife and child? What about saying, “I’m sorry Kate but I can’t help you”? Or even arranging the meeting with her mom (for old time’s sake) but nothing more? And I’m sorry but I thought he was an idiot for jumping into the car when she was running away. Whew, I’ done.:DeadHorse:
What kind of alarm system was in that Beemer? We see Tom disarm the system but Kate is already in the back seat. How did that happen? :crusin:
Knowing the cause of Michael’s pain, at first Kate stands by and watches him suffer, and then offers comfort and care. :angel_not:
Tom’s cap (in the time capsule) was his HS cap. It had “Westhills baseball” and a “W” on it. :baseball:
:detective By the way, was there anything that belonged specifically to Kate in the box?
This was ironic: Sun said to Kate: “You were only tying to help me”. Oh, yeah! Sawyer was closer to the truth when he said, “She doesn’t care about nothin’ or nobody but herself”.
I don’t mean to Kate-bash. I really don’t hate her, just calling it as I see it.:detective
Ozanna, I thought the same thing when Locke told Jack to keep an open mind. Yeah, right! LOL :roll1:
DarkRogue, I agree that it is frightening the lengths that Kate goes to to get what she wants. She doesn’t care who may get hurt in the process. She is just focused on her needs/wants and no obstacle will stand in her way without her trying to climb, jump, push through, or blow it up. (At least she is dedicated to her cause (whatever it may be) and perseveres). :wink:
And, DarkRogue, that is an interesting point about the mob mentality of the Losties. I like your insight.
11Rooster11, Jack did figure out it was Sun who poisoned Michael but he jumped to the conclusion that it was Kate first. I guess Kate’s “Do you really think I am capable of that” speech and her look of shock and hurt convinced him otherwise so he turned his accusation toward Sun. Little did he know he was more correct the first time as it was Kate’s idea.
And finally, I wonder if Locke was surprised that Jack agreed with him about getting into the hatch (of course they had different reasons) and that Sayid disagreed with them both.
LnL
Hodgepodge
08-30-07, 06:46 PM
...It seems to me that Kate got her way with men in the past. She decides she wants something and she goes after it. That’s the Kate we see in this episode. She doesn’t ask, she takes. “I want your spot, I’ll get your spot”. She meant it and it would have happened if Sawyer wasn’t Sawyer and it was another man.
Her relationship with Tom was the same. She came back into his life and got him to do anything she wanted. I must admit, he was something of a wimp and had very little backbone. What was he doing going out to the tree with her? And why the heck did he bring beer? What was he thinking? What about loyalty to his wife and child? What about saying, “I’m sorry Kate but I can’t help you”? Or even arranging the meeting with her mom (for old time’s sake) but nothing more? And I’m sorry but I thought he was an idiot for jumping into the car when she was running away. Whew, I’ done...I get the impression, Kate's been manipulating men since she was a little girl. And with that kind of experience, Tom was a goner when he took her to his house. But you and I know, he couldn't help himself. Once he saw her it was all over. For those few hours, he was a kid again. He was in love with her again. Nothing else mattered. Not his wife or child. That's a sad commentary on his life. :cry:
Black Manta
09-05-07, 10:35 PM
My favorite creepy scene in this episode was this one with Walt. I think he even freaked Locke out. I know my skin was crawling.
[Walt looks down at Locke's hand and pulls his arm away.]
LOCKE: What's the matter?
WALT: Don't open it.
LOCKE: What'd you say?
WALT: Don't open it, Mr. Locke. Don't open that thing.
LOCKE: What? What thing?
WALT: Just don't open it.
I consider this to be a set-up for the finale and I don't hate it or love it.
But why was Walt so afraid of the hatch? What was down there that was so terrifying? I think Walt was referring to a case of spoiled Dharma yogert:) they haven't found yet.
But why was Walt so afraid of the hatch? What was down there that was so terrifying? I think Walt was referring to a case of spoiled Dharma yogert:) they haven't found yet.
LOL! could be...or maybe he meant the hatch bathroom. :D
11Rooster11
09-06-07, 02:32 AM
But why was Walt so afraid of the hatch? What was down there that was so terrifying? I think Walt was referring to a case of spoiled Dharma yogert:) they haven't found yet.
I agree with you 100%. The only thing that I can possibly think of would be a if the timer counted down and the failsafe wasn't turned. But that is possible if they go down there or not. So I think that is a very good point.
Hodgepodge
09-06-07, 10:30 PM
But why was Walt so afraid of the hatch? What was down there that was so terrifying? I think Walt was referring to a case of spoiled Dharma yogert:) they haven't found yet.Maybe Walt knew what a quagmire the hatch would become for the Losties and TPTB. J/K!
You know, prior to this episode there was a lot of debate on whether Walt was really "special". I always thought he was, but there were a few who doubted his abilities. This scene may've been a way to set the record straight. JMO!
sweetsunray
11-02-07, 02:17 AM
Who sent the letter and money to Kate? I think it's Sawyer's ex-gf Cassidy who had his kid. Cassidy had this natural interest to play with legal fire. Some romantic notion about it perhaps... Thought herself to be Bonnie with Sawyer as Clyde first, and then later either one of Thelma and Louise with Kate. She helped Kate to visit her mom, and I'd expect her to try and stay in contact with Kate afterwards.
Do all these Losties exist of duality?
- Locke the therapist is actually only interested in saving the island. He trusts noone but at the same time trusts those who're the biggest manipulators around.
- Jack has high morals and judges people by it, but doesn't follow them himself. He's got the interest of people in his heart, but isolates himself so much he ends up thinking he's the sole one who knows what others should want.
- Sayid swears off violence, but when it comes down to it he tortures, and beats people up. He's got a good set of brains, but he uses them only sporadically. He's naturally curious, but he ends up as easily on the beach to sulk after endorsing violence once more and tell people not to explore stuff.
- Sawyer has a heart of gold, but can think only ill of those around him.
- and then there's Kate, who'll run to the other side of the world in order to help people she cares about (well until the future of course), but who as well can be the most selfish psychopath you're sleeping with.
We've seen a ruthless Kate in her previous FB robbing a bank and not bashing her eyes at shooting her robber bf in the leg (I don't think he died BTW) when he's about to shoot innocent bank personnel, all for a stupid toyplane. What did that toyplane mean? Apparently it belonged to the man of her life who got shot while she was on the run. I don't know whether Kate is actually capable of love. Tom certainly is all googly-eyed over her, but she doesn't comes across that way. She's only interested in getting her way and reckless when she's at it. It's as if she has no emotional connection to how her behaviour can make people feel deeply for her. On the one hand she feels so deeply that she does reckless stuff for them (such as murder), yet when they feel deeply for her it's as if she has no regard for it and can only see it for her own gain.
I'm not a psychologist, but her empath connections in her brain seem very twisted. And whenever I see her act so selfish whether in a FB or on the island, I'm wondering whether she truly is capable of loving. It's more like she "thinks" she has feelings and acts out what she "thinks" people who love should do. I truly wonder how she would score on the sociopath scale.
We learn in the Left Behind fb that Kate's mom promised her that next time she would see Kate she'll scream and call for help, thereby explaining her actions when Kate visits her on her death bed. Yet, when she sees Kate she seems truly terrified, not just acting as she promised she would. Her mom was angry with her after she murdered Wayne, and all of a sudden she's terrified of Kate, when she knows Kate did it partly to protect her mother. Why?
Anyway, we've seen her run and do stuff for other people on the island since day 1, and all of a sudden she decides to go on the boat. Suddenly she's afraid of being found out if rescue comes.
MICHAEL: Yeah, sure, of course. The thing is -- this island, uh, is uh -- finding it again might be hard.
Apparently Michael isn't really interested in being a hero, or interested in the lives of the Losties: just himself and his kid. Not only is he self-centered, but quite selfish too really. Not so surprising perhaps that the Others thought of Michael to turn him against them? Not so surprising that he was capable of shooting two other human beings who helped him survive after beaching on the other side of the island?
LOCKE: All due respect, Jack, but since when do I report to you?
I guess since you talked him into becoming the leader in the first place? I guess since such a find has implications regarding where Claire might be kept, about the island apparently being long term inhabited and known instead of just a few crashed survivors (including Danielle) and that this knowledge is of importance to all Losties and thus Jack as leader at least should know about it?
LOCKE: How long did you have that case full of guns before you decided the rest of us needed to know?
He's got a point there. But he wasn't much around, and Sayid wasn't interested in being sergeant anymore. But Jack indeed should have mentioned the guns after he first learned about Ethan's threat to Charlie.
JACK: So how do we open it?
So far for Jack needing to keep an open mind. Apparently he's very much interested in opening it. Had he known 3 weeks earlier he probably would have gotten a team together to uncover it sooner.
SAYID: We should bury it. I brought you here to talk him out of this insanity. Anything could be inside.
Hmmm, and Locke thought Sayid might support it? And why is Sayid all of a sudden not curious at all? He's a strange fellow. Curious and eager to find out about the island, but not wanting to go out and learn more about Danielle or get her batteries, nor opening the hatch. Or at least trying to dissuade people from going to Danielle or opening the hatch.
JACK: Best case scenario there's supplies -- worst case, we use it as a shelter.
Worst case... there's a button in there that you have to push each 108 mins which will force you to spend most of your time together with Locke and it's going to drive the both of you nuts, and us viewers too. Best case scenario a one time feast of food, soap, a shower, a washing machine, a ping pong table and more guns and some medical supplies I guess.
LOCKE: What do you think it is? Heatstroke?
JACK: No, he would have felt that coming on.
LOCKE: Bad fruit maybe? Raw fish?
JACK: Michael and Jin are on the same diet.
LOCKE: Well, Jin's fine.
JACK [looking at a cooler of water bottles by the raft]: Jin's fine. What was making him sick was metabolized fast. It hit him quick and it hit him hard.
LOCKE: So you think it was the water.
JACK [showing Locke the bottom of a water bottle with some white deposits]: No, I don't think it was the water. I think it was something in the water.
And for all Jack's distrust and thinking the worst of Locke before, he's got no qualms in cooperating with Locke again once he thinks Locke is working in the interest to the group Jack's supposed to lead. If it truly had been all about Jack's ego, he wouldn't be able to do that, even although he's still angry with him over Boone (shakes his head to Michael when Michael asks if they kissed and made up). And apparently now that Jack doesn't have a closed mind as Locke feared for 3 weeks and is on his side to try and open the hatch he's cooperative in things aside from the hatch and actually trying to help.
We can add some jumping to conclusions again. Now it's Michael again who accuses Sawyer, supposedly for personal reasons. That's Michael, isn't it? He always thinks people have something against him, that it's personal, and that they want to burn rafts and poison him over it.
Keeping Kate's fugitive thing secret or not, and Hurley not able to keep tabs of who knows what. I think in general there needs to be openness of what they know about the island certainly amongst the leader team: Jack, Sayid, Locke, Kate, and in time Sawyer, Hurley... in order to be able to support each other, have a trusting environment amongst themselves and to make decisions. Not everything they know ought to be mentioned to Losties: information that might create a panic without having any value to alter behaviour. Polar bears roaming about seems one of those things everyone ought to know. Kate's fugitiveness does not require general admittance in that she's a cooperative and helping personality on the island, until now. Having people know in general that she might be a threat does not add to the safety, but will only be one more person to jump, attack and beat up under accusation, and that would have cost them an asset. I don't think Kate would have been much of a helper had she been exposed from the start. Luckily for her, she has shown herelf to be someone who is capable and willing to help, and thus the ousting reaction once everyone knows is of short duration. BTW funny for Locke to ask the question about Jack keeping Kate's fugitive state under wraps, when he keeps Walt's arson under wraps. And you didn't think the others should know about this, Locke?
More jumping to conclusions: Jack and Sawyer suspect Kate of poisoning Michael so that Michael will blame Sawyer and she can get his spot on the raft. Close, but no cigar. It was Sun, inspired by Kate, to poison Jin so that he could not come along, and Kate could take his spot. Jack has learned to handle his suspicion better, and just plainly asks Kate (she did drug him too, hadn't she?). And Kate deflects it by asking him a question. He then assessed the situation correctly. One other thing to be discreet about. And we get to see the first signs of Sun not being fearful of using dirty tricks.
YOUNG TOM: You always want to run away, Katie.
YOUNG KATE: Yeah, and you know why.
A bad home.
WALT: Don't open it, Mr. Locke. Don't open that thing.
Still a mystery why he said that.
SAWYER: She don't care about nothin' or nobody but herself.
I'm still not sure about it either way. Felt some pity for Kate in the way she was exposed. Couldn't blame Sawyer for using that tactic to keep his spot on the raft, but he did break a promise.
Tom refusing to get out of the car and then being shot. One of the supposed things Kate did I assume is kidnapping Tom. Nobody witnessed that Tom stayed in the car voluntarily, and police would have assumed she kidnapped him.
WALT: I'm the one that burned the raft. I didn't want to leave and I thought I could stop you. Sorry. I'm really sorry, dad. And Michael learned two lessons of humility on one day... Michael, when it comes to judging people, you really suck at it.
The softball in the back seat of Tom's car is signed. The signature is upside down, yet it appears to read *John Locke*.
Deeva.
LOST Hiatus Rewatch: Week 8, Weds., July 15th-21th
2009
S1E22: Born To Run
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World Walker
07-16-09, 04:11 AM
This is one of the few times at this point in the series where an episode starts during a flashback although I believe this isn’t the first episode to do this (I’d like to say White Rabbit was the first).
Yes, she dyed her hair, but does anyone else find a blonde Kate completely and utterly bizarre? My head just exploded! :blowup:
Now we get the story of the man behind the toy airplane. Come to think of it, do we ever see that little toy plane ever again after this episode (not counting the Jacob/Kate scene at the end of Season 5)? I wonder if she just dropped it at some point… :scratchch
Charlie: “The helicopters will come.” Yes, they will, but not in the context you think they will, buddy.
Ah, boy – our very first Arzt sighting and his famous “trade winds/monsoon season” speech which turned out to be a pile of crap. Arzt had a truly spectacular death for a redshirt, followed very closely by Frogurt and the flaming arrows. :popcorn:
I know a lot of people don’t like Michael, but I liked how he turned Kate down. I mean, up to this point she didn’t even lift a finger to help build the raft, and she’s demanding a place onboard. Sure, Sawyer bought his way on, but Michael going back on his word would be as Hurley would say: “wishy washy.” The inverse argument, however, is if Michael had left Walt behind and taken Kate instead, maybe the Others never would’ve got him (of course, we aren’t clear on how they knew he was on the raft in the first place). But hey, that’s just speculation and we all know whatever happened, happened, right?
Despite Michael’s initial reaction to Kate’s proposal, he begins to seriously consider kicking Sawyer off the raft. Sawyer, his spot threatened, reveals to Kate that he knows she was the Marshall’s prisoner. How does he know? Sawyer’s very smart and he’s had time to think this over. The earlier rivalry we saw in Whatever the Case May Be comes back in a big way and things get very ugly between them. Quite honestly, I’m surprised they were able to even speak to each other again so soon after the events of this episode.
Michael said that once they leave, finding the island again might be hard. Boy, he really hit the nail on the head without knowing it on that one.
Locke and Jack have come to an uneasy truce at this point, fueled from their mutual discretion regarding lack of shared information.
Claire’s trimming Charlie’s doo and this is the first time I think we’ve seen a haircut on the Island. I think the next one is Kate/Sawyer in Season 2.
I thought the time capsule scene was very well done. It was very poignant hearing little Kate’s predictions of being married to Tom while the camera revealed the conflicting emotions on each of their faces. Then Tom mentioned how Katie always wanted to run away and she said he knew why. Considering how close these two were, and how much Tom knew about Kate, it was no wonder she was so shaken by his death. It’s debatable whether anyone knew her as well as Tom.
By the way, that tree Tom and Kate parked under is freakin’ enormous!
As soon as Locke touched Walt, the boy immediately pulled back and told Locke not to open it – not to open that thing. What a cool, creepy moment. Could this be further evidence that the hatch should have never been opened? Was this the point when things changed on the Island (look how different the show became in Season 2)? Surely they would have had to get in eventually…
So, Kate’s plan was to board the raft with Joanna’s passport, pretend to be her when they got picked up, and dodge the authorities before they could put 2 and 2 together. Honestly, not a bad plan considering the lack of resources at hand. It might’ve worked if they would’ve gotten rescued. Who knows?
Tom’s manner of death sucks the big one. :(
Found it really interesting how Locke just instinctually knew Walt burned the first raft and now Jack instinctually knew Sun poisoned Michael by accident. This is another similarity between Locke and Jack. They’re much more alike than either of them would probably admit (although Locke might be willing to try).
Also wanted to point out that Sun attempting to poison Jin in order to keep him on the Island is an early indication of the duplicity we discover from her flashbacks during Seasons 2 & 3. This event just brushes the surface.
Sawyer to Kate: “There ain’t anything on this island worth stayin’ for.” Ouch! :ouch:
Walt admits he burned the raft to Michael and says he didn’t want to leave and thought he could stop it from happening. So, now Walt has accepted his fate, which, as we know, lies off the Island. What we don’t know at this point is whether or not he’s meant to come back. I sincerely hope he does. We need closure.
Michael: “We don’t have to go.”
Walt: “Yes we do.”
:Cheers:
Despite Michael’s initial reaction to Kate’s proposal, he begins to seriously consider kicking Sawyer off the raft. Sawyer, his spot threatened, reveals to Kate that he knows she was the Marshall’s prisoner. How does he know? Sawyer’s very smart and he’s had time to think this over. The earlier rivalry we saw in Whatever the Case May Be comes back in a big way and things get very ugly between them. Quite honestly, I’m surprised they were able to even speak to each other again so soon after the events of this episode.:Cheers:
As you said, Sawyer is very smart ! He "reads" people - very well :D He fell for Kate hook, line and sinker, probably the first time in his life he's ever fallen in love, and she immediately treats him like crap. But I love it that he has enough pride to not let her humiliate him. He loves her but he will not tolerate her standover tactics. Yet he has always stood up for her over Jack. And ITA about how quickly they "made up", even after him telling her that there was nothing worth staying on the island for. That must have been a real smack in the face for Kate. But things are slightly different in S4, huh !
I've noticed a few times that Sawyer forgives easily (I can't think of a better word !). It was the same with Sayid after the torture. The same with Jack on a few occasions. He is willing to give the benefit of the doubt. And he doesn't hold grudges.
Yes, Kate cut Sawyer's hair middle of episode 2 - I always called it the Samson and Delilah episode - well he did go a bit soft for a while after that!
Well, I'm still waiting to find out why Kate has to run all the time - or have I missed something vital ? I think there was a theory once that Kate is some sort of sociopath, and that she did something in her past that has made people fear her. Her mother certainly feared her, and her Army dad mentioned that she was born with murder in her heart. Some of her actions have been carried out with a complete lack of conscience. But she has also showed care and compassion for people. *shrugs*
AChristianShephard
07-19-09, 07:47 PM
Michael: “We don’t have to go.”
Walt: “Yes we do.”
:Cheers:[/SIZE][/FONT]
This was much more to do with what Walt saw when Locke grabbed his arm than accepting his fate, Walt saw what was coming and wanted of the islan, fast.
I'd forgot about that bit and it's the first moment of this re-watch where ive felt ive learnt something new.
Mind you I have seen the season bout 5times now.
AChristianShephard
07-19-09, 07:53 PM
As you said, Sawyer is very smart ! He "reads" people - very well :D He fell for Kate hook, line and sinker.
Who wouldn't Ozzy? She's one badass <snip>
After him telling her that there was nothing worth staying on the island for. That must have been a real smack in the face for Kate.
Pretty sure he meant cause Kate wasn't welcoming him into her arms and seemed fond of Jack instead, he'd of stayed if she had let him into her life.
Well, I'm still waiting to find out why Kate has to run all the time - or have I missed something vital ?
I agree, were still missing a major part to Kates backstory. She was originally written as the hero/lead of the show, there's something their holding back.
Additions in bold. I mean text, not my pate.
Didn't we have a Kate flashback just a few episodes ago?
Mind you I have seen the season bout 5times now.
That's it? Only 5 times?? Slacker!!! :p
Didn't we have a Kate flashback just a few episodes ago?
Probably, Shep, but it hasn't really explained much !
She was originally written as the hero/lead of the show, there's something their holding back.
For some reason I can't quite take that seriously and I'm really glad they didn't go in that direction ! And what would have happened to Jack if she'd been made leader ? I hate to say it but he was supposed to die, and if he did who would we all - errr - not like, Sawyer ? Oh hang on, it was supposed to be Kevin.
AChristianShephard
07-19-09, 11:30 PM
Who's Kevin?
Yeah true, we need someone to hate, and Jack doesn't even need to try to fill the part, he's a natural :D
And probably typecast :D:D:D
Kevin was the cop that Kate married in Florida, I think, the one she didn't "do taco nights" with and then she drugged him and nicked off ! It didn't last long ! But then, according to these stories, he followed her on to 815, and he and Sawyer vied for her attentions. All sounds a bit Harlequin Romance to me !
! But then, according to these stories, he followed her on to 815, and he and Sawyer vied for her attentions. All sounds a bit Harlequin Romance to me !
Huh? When did that happen? You are watching LOST, right? LOL. :)
Yeah, it was in SMACKJACK ! Khan found it - natch - we miss you Khan ! Where did you find it Shep ? Anyway it never happened, and I'm glad it didn't ! I think it happened before MF had even been signed. I'll do a bit of detective work ...
AChristianShephard
07-20-09, 01:41 AM
You mean the change in plot?
It was a week before filming started and the network told JJ he would have to rewrite the story so that Jack survived. They reckoned it would turn off the audience to have them invest in a character like that only to have him 'retired', which was JJ's plan.
They wouldn't get on with Japanese cinema very well, happens all the time.
He was originally supposed to have been killed by smokie when they were being chased away from the cockpit, and it was Jack who'd be up in the tree, which was oviously rewritten for 815's pilot.
Your right, they had to recast too and found the Fox.
Its on the extras disk of Season 1's boxset.
Thanks Shep, but there's heaps more on SMACKJACK, plus Kate being married. I'm just wondering if that may have been a bit of poetic licence !
I'm with you, Dew - Nathan Fillion sure is easy on the eye !
Just finished this episode and I now remember why I didn't like Kate's conniving character at this point in the show. She care for Tom so much and yet she drove like a lunatic and he ended up dead. Poor Tom. Kate also looks awful as a blonde. Yuk! Her mom was so sick and understandably scared and ticked off at her. Kate killed the man her mother loved and who's to say she wouldn't kill her mom. Kate was the baddie in this episode and left no redeeming qualities that I can see.
I will watch the last 2 hours tomorrow. Niters.
Kate was determined to get on that raft - at anybody's expense. What a clever little thing she is ! I'm not quite sure why Sawyer was so keen to get off. He knew he would more than likely get put in the nick if they got back home. Maybe he was trying to get away from her ! Like Cassidy told her in S4, that he jumped off the helicopter to get away from her, Kate !
The other Losties were angry with Sawyer emptying her bag out onto the sand, but he had his suspicions, and when everybody discovered about Joanna's passport, they were proved to be legitimate. Its odd, but for a petty con, Sawyer is very upright in a lot of ways - or maybe he just doesn't like being taken in a young girl !
World Walker
07-20-09, 11:05 PM
This was much more to do with what Walt saw when Locke grabbed his arm than accepting his fate, Walt saw what was coming and wanted of the islan, fast.
I'd forgot about that bit and it's the first moment of this re-watch where ive felt ive learnt something new.
Mind you I have seen the season bout 5times now.
That's a very excellent observation about Walt -- I never really saw it from that angle before. Too bad we still don't know more about him and what Wet Walt from Season 2 and Tall Walt from Season 3 really were. Hopefully we'll find out in Season 6.
abcdxyz
08-06-09, 12:46 AM
Sorry I'm so far behind in the rewatch!
This is one of my favorite eps. I hope that Kate is revealed to really live up to this episode somehow. How in the world does a young woman on the run get a car with several different license plates? How did she get so savvy about covering her tracks? Who wrote her the letter addressed to the motel? Somebody knew where she was going to be--who was it? Was somebody helping her? I've always thought there was a lot of mystery about Kate.
We know after S3E15, Left Behind, why Kate's mother cried for help when Kate visited her in the hospital, and I have to say that her mother's behavior in S4E4, Eggtown, took the frisson out of that for me, unfortunately. The first time I saw Born to Run, that gave me the absolute willies.
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