View Full Version : LOST Hiatus Rewatch #3 (07/22/09-07/28/09)-S2E2 : Adrift
This is the discussion thread for the LOST-TV Hiatus Rewatch - Season 2 Episode 2 , "Adrift"
Written by : Steven Maeda & Leonard Dick
The original (or as close to original as exists) thread for this episode can be found here (http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3061).
General questions about the LOST-TV Hiatus Rewatch can be posted in the LOST-TV Hiatus Rewatch thread (http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=37370).
Episode Description:
The journey into the hatch from another perspective. Michael and Sawyer float in the ocean.
Oddly enough, I feel the same way about Adrift now as I did the first time I saw it. I could live without Michael and Sawyer arguing in the middle of the ocean for 30 minutes, but I still can't believe Sawyer took a bullet out of his own arm!
I was happy to hear Sawyer put it together that the Others were coming for Walt, not Aaron. Sawyer is not an idiot. Yay!
Adrift was brilliant for so many other reasons though and so many firsts. We see the Swan symbol for the first time, Desmond calls Locke "Boxman" for the first time, the first button push/execution (which I remember completely losing my mind over!) I loved when Kate realized she was in a huge food pantry after starving for 44 days. Priceless! Sawyer referred to the Island as "home" for the first time, I think. Anyone know without looking it up?
...And the best part was Jin running out of the jungle screaming, "Others! Others!" not to mention the realization that there really are Others when the episode ends.
Creepy! Eko is coming! Woot! :)
I totally agree about the Michael and Sawyer arguing in the water all that time Zia! But then I suppose they had gone from jubilation to disaster in the space of a few moments, Walt had been kidnapped, Jin disappeared, Michael nearly drowned and Sawyer left with a bullet in his shoulder. That bullet removal was a bit over the top - I felt quite queezy !
Sawyer rips open his shirt and pulls out the bullet. He screams, I scream, Sawyer says "You got a band aid ?"
Yes, Sawyer is not an idiot. Apart from sussing out that it was Walt they were coming for, he worked out that the boat was not ocean going, and they must be the "others" and that they were based somewhere on the island. I said somewhere else once that I thought he was probably one of the more intelligent of the losties, plus he uses logic and figures things out. His impulsiveness and bad temper tend to shoot him down. Sawyer calling the island "home", yes I think it was the first time, and I'm wondering if it had something to do with the fact that Kate was back there. Jin calling out "others", first time I heard it it sounded like "udders" ! I heard a few other comments on that, so its not just me being inappropriate ! For a while they're acting like a couple of hysterical kids, Michael kicking Sawyer off the raft, Michael accusing Sawyer of attracting the shark with his blood, and Sawyer saying "Oh well, I'll just stop bleeding then !", until they almost make up friends when Sawyer wakes up and finds Michael crying over Walt, and they almost call an uneasy truce.
At the hatch I was struch by Locke's cosy little chit chat with Desmond. Locke has a knack of this, he's the same with Eko when they meet up. You almost expect to see a tea tray and tea cups and a cookie jar being brought out ! When Desmond asks Locke if he's "him" and Locke says he is I didn't know whether to laugh or cry. Locke is so desperate to be part of the island he will do whatever it takes ! He tells Des he's the good guy, ties Kate up, and when you think he's gone completely to the other side he slips a knife in her jeans, before locking her in the storage room. I'm not a Kate fan but the expression on her face when she was locked in with all the food was classic ! I can just imagine how she felt, specially if it was chocolate !
It was interesting that we'd seen Desmond taking the vaccine, and then he asked Locke if anyone had gotten sick. Did we ever find out what all that was about - first with Danielle and then Desmond. Was this something to do with the "purge". Am I just very unobservant, maybe I don't pay enough attention to this show ?
Meanwhile the intrepid Kate is now crawling through the ventilation ducts, giving the guys a thrill ! At the same time Jack comes barging in, all whats been happening and why didn't you wait for me ! Asks a lot of questions at the top of his voice, someones gun goes off and Kate nearly gets shot in the duct and so on.
Meanwhile Michaels had a flashback where Susan is trying to persuade him to relinquish his rights to Walt so her boyfriend, Brian Porter, can adopt him himself. Naturally Michael is devastated but he doesn't have a leg to stand on (actually he doesn't because its just after he got hit by the car.)Michael finally agrees because the witch has told him that it would be better for Walt, Michael has no way of supporting Walt, and they have a sad little farewell, where Michael gives Walt a toy polar bear and says goodbye. You really can't blame the guy if he goes a bit over the top.
Back at the caves Claire and Charlie are talking about why Jack keeps rushing back to the hatch. Charlies says he reckons Jack is going to do something heroic, and Claire rolls her eyes. Is Jack beginning to lose some of his lustre ? She asks Charlie about the Virgin Mary statues, saying she didn't realize he was religious. Charlie says he's not, but you never know when Virgin Mary statues might come in handy. Umm ......
Very ingenious, Charlie.
At the hatch I was struch by Locke's cosy little chit chat with Desmond. Locke has a knack of this, he's the same with Eko when they meet up. You almost expect to see a tea tray and tea cups and a cookie jar being brought out ! When Desmond asks Locke if he's "him" and Locke says he is I didn't know whether to laugh or cry. Locke is so desperate to be part of the island he will do whatever it takes !
Locke was so desperate to be "Him." You're right, he would have done anything to be a part of whatever Desmond was doing, whatever the Island was doing.
Meanwhile the intrepid Kate is now crawling through the ventilation ducts, giving the guys a thrill ! At the same time Jack comes barging in, all whats been happening and why didn't you wait for me ! Asks a lot of questions at the top of his voice, someones gun goes off and Kate nearly gets shot in the duct and so on.
LOL! :D The board went CRAZY over Kate's "crawl through." Brian. ;)
The board went CRAZY over Kate's "crawl through." Brian.
I know, thats why I mentioned it ! It didn't do a lot for me, though !
11Rooster11
09-04-07, 02:42 PM
She asks Charlie about the Virgin Mary statues, saying she didn't realize he was religious. Charlie says he's not, but you never know when Virgin Mary statues might come in handy. Umm ......
Very ingenious, Charlie.
Here I go again. I found it interesting that when Claire finds the statue and is holding it, Charlie instantly transformed into his old self. He practically threw Aaron at Claire just so he could hold his precious heroin. He would rather hold that statue than Aaron. When asked about being religious he denies it. All the things he supposedly cares about mean nothing to him the instant he perceives a threat to his heroin.
The scenes on the raft were overdone IMO. I didn't need to see Michael & Sawyer taking turns yelling for Walt and Jin and at each other. Was this where we see the "Dharma Shark?" If so I missed it again (if it was real). Once they saw the island and the scene on the shore were great moments.
.... Was this where we see the "Dharma Shark?" If so I missed it again (if it was real). Once they saw the island and the scene on the shore were great moments.
Rooster! That's too funny. I've seen "Adrift" SO many times and I have never seen the shark either. I always wait for it, but have never caught it. LOL! :D
The board went CRAZY over Kate's "crawl through." Brian. ;)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v698/Leuthen2/katecrawl5ui.gif
;)
Brian! That's brilliant! LOL! :D Is that your screen saver?
I was going to use it as a signature but I couldn't bring myself to make it smaller. :D
tellthemmrekoletyoulive
09-05-07, 02:32 AM
Rooster! That's too funny. I've seen "Adrift" SO many times and I have never seen the shark either. I always wait for it, but have never caught it. LOL! :D
Really Zia!? I saw the shark first time around, and it was one of those "what the !@" moments.
I caught it the first time around but had to go back and watch it again just to make sure I wasn't seeing things. Yes, definite "What the....." moment. :)
No. I swear. I always miss it.
I mean I see a "thing" in the water, but never the mark.
*makes Eye Doctor appointment* ;)
Locke 'n' Load
09-06-07, 02:17 AM
While watching the exchange between Michael and Sawyer, I kept thing…”OMG, Michael…he just saved your life! How could you act that way”? But then, I usually question what Michael does and says. I guess he evened the score when he saved Sawyer from the shark….almost.
It was interesting to see Locke’s POV going into the hatch. We got Jack’s last week. I would have also liked to get Kate’s, but perhaps she was unconscious right away and doesn’t remember anything until Locke wakes her up.
I believe there is another possibility for Locke’s saying 'yes' when Desmond asked him if he was “him”. I don’t agree that he was so desperate to be a part of the island or desperate to be 'him'. He was thinking through the ramifications of answering “yes” or “no” and believed that “yes” was the safest thing for him to say. For all he knew he had a crazy man on his hands who would blow his head off if given the wrong answer. He said 'no' hoping that was the answer to save him and Kate.
The scenes with Michael and Susan bother me. She totally owns him. Is he really that stupid? Even if he couldn’t give Walt the lifestyle and "things" that Susan could, and even if he wasn’t the custodial parent with hands on nurturing, he did NOT have to sign his rights away. He could have let Susan leave with Walt and still retain his rights. Susan got her way....again She knew she did not have a case. She admitted that Michael would win if they went to trial. Her only way of winning was to manipulate Michael, which she did so cleverly and deceitfully.
Darkrogue
09-06-07, 07:04 AM
:lol: The Dharma shark.
This episode wasn’t that bad, but I do remember my fiancé and I commenting that, in terms of hatch-story, they basically showed us the same damn thing they showed us in Ep 1. :nanabobo: Okay, so it was from a different perspective, but we were still left in the same place we were left at the end of Ep 1.
I've got to do this:
“WAAAAALT!”
We will get very used to hearing that. But, as someone else pointed out, he’s at least somewhat justified in this case. Still, he does become grating very quickly. He’s really an ass to Sawyer, who is the only ally he’s got on that chunk of wood! At least he assumes responsibility in the end, so he does manage to redeem himself.
The flashbacks also help redeem him some, and confirm my suspicions (and those of a few others here) that Susan only paid for Michael’s hospital bills to gain more leverage against him should legal action regarding Walt arise. I can kind of see both sides (Michael does somewhat come off as a freeloader in Special), but Susan is ruthless.
I wish Susan would quit using the excuse that she is thinking about what is best for Walt, when all she is thinking about is herself. It’s hardly that much better for Walt to be moved around all the time. Clearly he did not enjoy this—that was why he burned the raft, after all. He wanted stability.
It was nice to return to the raft guys again. Like Rooster, I was disappointed we didn’t see hide or hair of them in E1. Even if the raft scenes themselves were overdone, and made Michael look like a jerk, it was good to at least see them again and get on with that part of the story.
ozanna, ZIA, I thought Locke’s reaction to Desmond and the hatch was amusing, too. He’s clearly frustrated—I don’t know what he expected to find (his destiny), and I don’t think he even knew what that meant. He has no clue what Desmond is talking about, and that bothers him to no end.
Here I go again. I found it interesting that when Claire finds the statue and is holding it, Charlie instantly transformed into his old self. He practically threw Aaron at Claire just so he could hold his precious heroin. He would rather hold that statue than Aaron. When asked about being religious he denies it. All the things he supposedly cares about mean nothing to him the instant he perceives a threat to his heroin.
It’s impulse, and a defensive strategy. More than a threat to the heroin itself, he fears a threat to the family unit he's acquired. In short, he’s concerned about the possibility of Claire finding out what is inside the statue. He knows he shouldn’t have the drugs (ye olde guilty conscience), and sure as hell doesn’t want her knowing he has it. When someone has picked up something you do not want them to know you have, the impulse is immediately to get it away from them.
It wasn’t a disregard for Aaron; it was a defensive move, to get the heroin away from Claire as quickly as possible. Naturally he doesn’t want to risk her dropping it, breaking it and finding the drugs inside. His directing the conversation was a diversion tactic as well, diverting the subject so she would not pry further as to his reasons for having the statue. Of course there is double meaning in there; his religion is still important to him, deep down (he never truly abandons it completely). It's just something he is struggling with. Again, it plays into the show's title: Lost. The fact that the heroin is embedded within the symbol of his faith is just another example of the island mocking him.
He shouldn’t have the heroin; it was naughty of him to stash it away, especially near his island "family". :no-no: At the same time, it’s understandable. Even if one is no longer using a substance they once relied upon for so long, it is comforting to have it near, especially so soon after having quit. It’s like a security blanket. In a way, the statue itself is a security blanket and a source of comfort. It works on both levels.
I want to know why Claire's so bothered by the possibility that Charlie might be religious. :confused:
That said, I was really rather disappointed in the writers for re-hashing old plotlines (heroin) with Charlie anyway, as opposed to exploring the new possibilities that were opened when he killed Ethan.
This was also the season where Kate began to move from the character she was in S1 to the mess she currently is, IMO. (Apologies in advance--I'm likely to be a tad more cynical in my S2 observations).
Darkrogue I always love reading your reviews. You explain yourself so well.
This was also the season where Kate began to move from the character she was in S1 to the mess she currently is, IMO. (Apologies in advance--I'm likely to be a tad more cynical in my S2 observations).
Ain't that the truth ! I am already guilty of getting stuck into Kate in S1, I'm really quite ashamed of my lambasting of her in S1E22, but thats how I saw it. All of her actions in the hatch set a pattern for her willful and stupid behaviour in the weeks to come. Not to mention putting other people's lives in danger in order to indulge her own whims. Sorry Hodgepodge and Brian !!! You're welcome to have a go at Sawyer ! Seriously though, she is becoming an increasingly irritating character. OK, I'll go now.
ozchick
09-07-07, 12:08 AM
Was this where we see the "Dharma Shark?" If so I missed it again (if it was real). Once they saw the island and the scene on the shore were great moments.
Rooster! That's too funny. I've seen "Adrift" SO many times and I have never seen the shark either. I always wait for it, but have never caught it. LOL! :D
Really Zia!? I saw the shark first time around, and it was one of those "what the !@" moments.
I caught it the first time around but had to go back and watch it again just to make sure I wasn't seeing things. Yes, definite "What the....." moment. :)
No. I swear. I always miss it.
I mean I see a "thing" in the water, but never the mark.
*makes Eye Doctor appointment* ;)
I too have never seen the Dharma mark on the shark. I don't know how many times I've seen this ep, and I look every time, but I still haven't seen it. I've even paused and searched with no luck, so I'm blaming it on my crappy tv. :p
Sawyer really is smarter and more compassionate than he got credit for at this point in the show. I found myself surprised that he knew CPR.
The bullet scene grosses me out too. Yuck!
The Kate in the pantry scene is fantastic!! The look on her face when she bites the chocolate bar! (The Apollo bar ;), I still have the wrapper from mine. :D)
The Jin reveal at the end of this was so shocking when I first saw this. "Others" indeed!
Sawyer nicknames:
Hoss: Michael
Bluebeard: Tom (though we don't know he's Tom yet)
Josh really elevates some awesome Sawyer-ness in this episode, takin' it to a whole 'nother level (with all respect to the transcriptions):
MICHAEL: It's only a shark? That's supposed to make me feel better? Well, I guess I know why the shark is hanging around -- your shoulder.
SAWYER: Oh, well, I'll just stop bleedin' then.
__________________________________________________ ________
SAWYER: I thought we parted ways, Mike.
MICHAEL: We're caught in the same current.
SAWYER: Still talking.
[Sawyer digs in the wound, screaming, and pulls the bullet out while Michael looks on.]
SAWYER: You got a Band-aid?
__________________________________________________ __________
SAWYER: They found us because they were looking for us, for Walt.
MICHAEL: Don't you ever say his name again, ever.
SAWYER: Oh, what cha gonna do, splash me?
__________________________________________________ ____________
I don't know about you guys, but I laugh no matter how many times I watch this episode.
Lizzo
You're so right about Sawyer - it wasn't so much the comedy, although those were really clever lines. It was the totally icongruous situation they were in. Sawer just can't help himself ! It says so much for his courage and bravado that he will never give up in the face of adversity - I almost felt teary eyed because they are in the worst situation they could possibly be in, yet he still keeps on with the one liners ! Michael could probably have smacked him in the face!
11Rooster11
09-07-07, 06:30 PM
Hey Darkrogue;
You're right. Charlie was probably more concerned about Claire determining what was inside the statue than the actual goods. After all he knows that there is a plane load of the stuff at his disposal. The irony is that once Claire saw the statue it was only a matter of time before she found out from Sayid or John (later Eko) what the truth was. The damage was done right there.
Darkrogue
09-07-07, 10:33 PM
Hey Darkrogue;
You're right. Charlie was probably more concerned about Claire determining what was inside the statue than the actual goods. After all he knows that there is a plane load of the stuff at his disposal. The irony is that once Claire saw the statue it was only a matter of time before she found out from Sayid or John (later Eko) what the truth was. The damage was done right there.
So true. Which is why he should have hidden it far, far away from Claire and the rest of the camp, if the dummy didn’t want people to know he had it. After all, he knows for a fact that both Sayid and Locke are aware of the heroin inside the statues, so I’m not sure what he was thinking. He has a special place in the jungle to stash the drugs, so why not keep it all there, hidden from sight? It might have to do with the "security blanket" syndrome I referred to, but keeping it right there with him in the camp is just :dunce:.
Then again, he’s not exactly the brightest bulb on the Christmas tree. I love Charlie, but I’ll be the first to admit he frustrates me with some of the unbelievably stupid things he does. He acts on impulse and often fails to think things through. He’s just really, really stupid sometimes. Like my Grandpa used to say, “that boy ain’t got the sense God gave a mule.” :D
Darkrogue - it just struck me that your Grandpa's comments "that boy ain't got the sense God gave a mule" (love it by the way !) could actually apply to nearly all of them ! Charlie is not really the only culprit. You're too hard on the poor boy ! If you want to talk about failing to think things through, what about Jack, he just crashes headlong into all his decisions, which no one else is allowed to have a hand in, and the longer he stays on the island the worse he gets. What about Locke, he is rapidly losing his ever decreasing hold on reality. Kate, well I won't even go there. Charlie is just trying to keep his little family together, and his security blanket (when I quit smoking I kept a packet of smokes stashed away for 6 months, just in case ! Pathetic isn't it, but it actually helped !) Remember what he's been through, its no easy feat going through withdrawal, cold turkey no less.
Which also makes me wonder how Sawyer managed to quit smoking with no apparent difficulty - I suppose that could explain his vile temper and general nastiness ! But also despite the fact that he's been shot, nearly drowned and God knows whatever other indignities they can dream up for him, he still keeps on going ! What I am getting at is they are all acting out of character, probably because they are all in situations that they really don't have a clue how to handle. Like I was saying about Sawyer and Michael on the raft, they are totally, well, dare I say it ........ lost !
Darkrogue
09-08-07, 11:10 PM
Darkrogue - it just struck me that your Grandpa's comments (love it by the way !) could actually apply to nearly all of them ! Charlie is not really the only culprit. You're too hard on the poor boy ! If you want to talk about failing to think things through, what about Jack, he just crashes headlong into all his decisions, which no one else is allowed to have a hand in, and the longer he stays on the island the worse he gets. What about Locke, he is rapidly losing his ever decreasing hold on reality. Kate, well I won't even go there. Charlie is just trying to keep his little family together, and his security blanket (when I quit smoking I kept a packet of smokes stashed away for 6 months, just in case ! Pathetic isn't it, but it actually helped !) Remember what he's been through, its no easy feat going through withdrawal, cold turkey no less.
Which also makes me wonder how Sawyer managed to quit smoking with no apparent difficulty - I suppose that could explain his vile temper and general nastiness ! But also despite the fact that he's been shot, nearly drowned and God knows whatever other indignities they can dream up for him, he still keeps on going ! What I am getting at is they are all acting out of character, probably because they are all in situations that they really don't have a clue how to handle. Like I was saying about Sawyer and Michael on the raft, they are totally, well, dare I say it ........ lost !
Oh definitely! They’re all dumber than a bag of rocks. One of my earliest questions was how so many idiots all wound up on the same island. :p
You're right about Charlie and the withdrawal: that really does contribute to some of the stupid things he does. In real life addicts do stupid things all the time (things they would never normally do), so it's definitely part of the equation, here. At the same time, Charlie has a history of lackwit behavior, though. He's always been too gullible, for example, and he's made some idiotic decisions. As you mentioned, the same can be said of all these guys.
They never did really touch upon Sawyer and smoking, did they? I have thought of that a few times. I'm not sure, I thought he had a stash, but I have not heard mention of it or seen him smoking since those first few episodes I don't think. It may have something to do with the FCC--they may have a limit on how much smoking they can show. :confused:
PS: I kept my last pack of cigarettes, too. Just in case, ya know. ;)
GardenMom
09-10-07, 05:10 AM
Didn't we see a carton of cigs hidden in Sawyer's stash in the floor of his tent in a later episode? Maybe he's just rationing them out to himself very slowly.
GardenMom - you could be right. Oh no, does this mean I'll have to go through all Sawyer's episodes to find out ? The things we do ... ! Actually I always figured that Sawyer has a very high threshhold for pain, and presumably for addiction. His overwhelming obsession to find Real Sawyer has driven everything else out of his head. Except maybe for Kate ....... I'm not sure if I can see Sawyer rationing anything out !!!
GardenMom
09-10-07, 04:05 PM
OK, I found this screencap of Sawyer's stash from S3-Flashes Before Your Eyes (thanks to DarkUFO). It shows Sawyer had at least a partial pack of Brezza cigs, visible on the left side by Charlie's shoulder.
http://bp0.blogger.com/_RrObyQ3XzcY/RdSVa9C3nrI/AAAAAAAABHk/5Hg4T_sKNtY/s400/stash.jpg
Then, because I had the screencap in front of me, I went off on a bit of a wild goose chase. It did turn out to be interesting though. The book that is visible in the stash is by Alexander Nobokov titled Laughter in the Dark. Nobokov wrote the original version of this book in Russian in 1932. Then he translated it to English and released it in 1936 with a new title "Camera Obscura". It was released in English a second time with the title "Laughter In The Dark".
The opening line of the book is "Once upon a time there lived in Berlin, Germany, a man called Albinus. He was rich, respectable, happy; one day he abandoned his wife for the sake of a youthful mistress; he loved; was not loved; and his life ended in disaster."
Albinus was a film producer and the young mistress who lives with him was an aspiring actress (say Nikki) who was only in the relationship because of his wealth and her career aspirations. Albinus becomes blind in an accident and the mistress invites her real lover (say Paulo) to move in with them. He lives there in secret, invisible to the blind man, whom he murders in the end.
I just thought the plot similarities were pretty wild and show that the writers of this show are thinking well ahead. (Also fascinating is a google seach on "Camera Obscura" if you're interested in the mirror image stuff on the show). Sorry to have side-tracked from your scheduled re-watch!
Nice!
As for Sawyer and the smoking, it is possible he is just a casual smoker and just keeping them around for when he wants one or is bored. I don't recall seeing him smoke in any of the fbs, but it is "something to do" on the island.
Darkrogue
09-11-07, 07:15 AM
Oh, nice catch there, GardenMom. And interesting information! Thanks for the screencap (plus, I love Charlie pilfering through Sawyer's stash, lol).
So apparently he does still have something of a hoard of cigs left. I actually could see him rationing them to himself if he knew there was a limited supply, but maybe there are just more interesting things to show than Sawyer lighting up?
GardenMom
09-11-07, 02:24 PM
Maybe Kate told him at some point that kissing him was like kissing an ashtray. :)
Maybe Kate told him at some point that kissing him was like kissing an ashtray. :)
LOL! :D
Black Manta
09-12-07, 04:52 AM
One problem I had with the set up is that Desmond was the only one there for 44 days. I don't think it would be humanly possible for anyone to go that long without more than an hour and a half of sleep at a time.
Originally Posted by GardenMom
Maybe Kate told him at some point that kissing him was like kissing an ashtray.
I think I could force myself !
Black Manta
09-15-07, 11:21 PM
What did one snowman say to the other snowman?
Do you smell carrots? :D
WB Manta!
sweetsunray
11-02-07, 10:32 PM
First time a rewatch of this epi annoyed the hell out of me. I'm annoyed over the splashing of words and shouting between Sayid and Michael, which ends when it just starts to get good (Jin running and shouting "udders"). The FB shows to me what I already thought I knew, Susan getting her way, and thus pointless, except for showing us Michael tried to put up a fight. And we get more of the same of the hatch. Only interesting thing about it imo is the part before Jack enters. They could have done that in sequence but didn't I guess because they only wanted to Jack's viewpoint to clarify he was panicking and reliving Boone's death, but with Kate's face instead of Boone's, and to have just about enough tiem to have him recognize Desmond from the past, before introducing him to us to Locke. I think we would have been smart enough to figure those out by ourselves (actually I expected it to be Desmond once we met him in the Jackback), without seeing it three times in a row. This was just overdoing it.
Ok, so Michael nearly drowns, Sawyer saves him with CPR, and Michael is being foolish. When has he ever not been foolish, negative and annoying? Gosh, he likes to blame people, doesn't he. I'm so sick and tired of all the stupid accusations going here and there, and that's at least the third time with Michael. Sheesh that guy is negative. I almost wish Sawyer didn't save him.
Ah finally something interesting to watch: Are you him? He wasn't but good try. Actually I think Locke did want to believe he was HIM. For all he knew Desmond was the one who sent him dreams or whatever. He believed that all the roads of destiny led to this place and this moment. I used to roll my eyes at this scene, but this time I kinda felt pity. Poor Locke, you're off the road guy... too lost. But still smart enough to know he might be the better of the two to stall and calm Desmond, while Kate's good at being a fugitive and escape.
Kate apparently is already sorry for her act to help Locke out and not have him go in alone. She kinda figures she's the new Boone. Hey, maybe she is? Ever since he died they needed someone else to fill the gap of the always ready-to-help-but-mess-it-up character. Drugging Jack gave Shannon the opportunity to steal the key of the guncase and take a shot at Locke. Giving Sun the idea to poison Jin got herself exposed. And had she carried that pack of dynamite she'd have gone "kaboom"!
CHARLIE: I reckon Jack's going to do something heroic.
Nah, he's gong to panic and flip out of his mind.
CHARLIE: Yeah. Be careful. Be careful with it. Hey, take Aaron. [He hands the baby to Claire] You've got to be careful with it, you know. It's the Virgin Mary. She's holy.
I think he's just very afraid that Claire might drop it and that she'll find the heroine inside.
And yeah, Locke can create a tea tray and cookies atmosphere. He's amazing with that.
LOCKE: To be honest with you I'm a little surprised to see him.
What? You didn't expect him to come after Kate? Oh, ok, we get into the panic and blockhead scene again. It's like the request to stop yanking the chain in the S3 mini series. Desmond is not playing poker, Jack.
And just when it's going to get good... next epi.
Locke 'n' Load
11-03-07, 04:25 AM
sweetsunray; They could have done that in sequence but didn't I guess because they only wanted to Jack's viewpoint to clarify he was panicking and reliving Boone's death, but with Kate's face instead of Boone's, and to have just about enough tiem to have him recognize Desmond from the past, before introducing him to us to Locke…
…Kate apparently is already sorry for her act to help Locke out and not have him go in alone. She kinda figures she's the new Boone.
You mention Boone’s death in every post. :DeadHorse::DeadHorse:
Actually I think Locke did want to believe he was HIM. For all he knew Desmond was the one who sent him dreams or whatever. He believed that all the roads of destiny led to this place and this moment. I used to roll my eyes at this scene, but this time I kinda felt pity. Poor Locke, you're off the road guy... too lost.
Huh?? I disagree with this analysis. I don't think Locke thought that about Desmond at all. But, we can agree to disagree.:)
sweetsunray
11-03-07, 08:16 PM
You mention Boone’s death in every post. :DeadHorse::DeadHorse: It'll lessen :nanabobo:
LOST Hiatus Rewatch: Week 9
Weds., July 22th-28th
2009
S2E2: Adrift
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World Walker
07-28-09, 02:37 AM
That was a very long “Previously, on LOST…” clip on the DVD.
Sawyer is the man. How many people do you know who could paddle a large piece of wreckage over to a drowning man while nursing a gunshot wound in his arm? :clap:
A note to Michael: You may want to take in less water when you scream, “Waaaaaaaaaaaaalllllllllllllllllllllllllllt!” because you just might drown.
The actor who plays Michael’s lawyer sure gets around. I’ve seen him in Leverage and in that new show Warehouse 13.
Anybody else able to keep a straight face through all the Waaaaaaaaaaalllllllllllllllllllllllt shouting? LOL :nanabobo:
Locke shows us our first image of the Swan logo with Dharma written on it. I wish I could’ve seen the speculation all this stuff must’ve created back in the Season Two days.
Desmond: “Are you him?” – You know, back in the day, once we learned that there was a very important leader of the Others (a brilliant man) over Ben, when we first started hearing about Jacob, I thought this might’ve been to whom Desmond was referring. This was simply over-thinking on my part; as it becomes clear later, Desmond was just asking if Locke was his replacement. As a security measure, Dharma had a code to use for verification: “What did one snowman say to the other snowman?”
Michael was a complete dick to Sawyer. “You have no idea what it’s like to care for somebody else.” Unbelievable! :mad:
That lawyer ripped Michael a new one in his flashback. That reminds me why I never ever ever want to be questioned in such an aggressive manner.
By the way, that room where all the lawyers were looked similar to the room where Claire almost signed away her rights as Aaron’s mom. Come to think of it, Claire’s situation is pretty parallel to Michael’s, isn't it? They both were faced with giving up their children. Michael ultimately did, Claire ultimately didn’t (unless you count her mysterious disappearance in Season 4 as giving Aaron up).
Sawyer, after pulling the bullet out of his shoulder with his bare hands: “You got a band aid?” Two words, friends: bad ass. :)
The plane crash was forty-four days ago at this point in the show.
The first time I watched these first three season two episodes something didn’t feel quite right. Now I think I know why. The pacing of the episodes has gone all screwy. In Season One the Island action was completely linear (not counting our off-island flashbacks, of course). Plane crashes…Polar Bear…Ethan steals Claire…Rousseau warning about Others…Raft launch…hatch door explosion. In these first episodes of the second season, we keep revisiting the same scenes from different perspectives. We see Jack and Hurley talking again in the caves, just like in the first episode. Near the end of the episode we’ll see Jack pointing his gun at Locke while Desmond confronts Jack. Although I could see what they were trying to do with this method, I think it bogged down the moving plot significantly at the beginning of the season.
Sawyer: “Oh, what you gonna do? Splash me?” And Mike does, causing Sawyer’s entire section of raft to fall apart. :rotfl:
Can you imagine what finding a pantry full of food would be like after crashing on an island 44 days ago? If I’m not mistaken, this is the first time we get to see an Apollo bar on the show.
Desmond: “How many of you are there?”
Locke: “Forty-three.”
Okay, those of you who doubted my inclusion of Ethan in the survivor count have been completely vindicated. Apparently I was wrong and so the count really is 43. Glad we’ve finally gotten some kind of confirmation! :thumbs_up
Desmond made a button-pusher out of Locke. We all know how that ends… :blowup:
Love the look on Kate’s face when the music turns on.
The Easter egg on the fin of the dharma shark was really cool foreshadowing for a Dharma facility (Hydra Station) dedicated to animal research.
Jin: “Udders!” Oh, no…surely not! :nanabobo:
Now that was a cool ending with the threatening human shapes wielding those barbaric weapons. It really sucks to be Michael, Jin, or Sawyer right about now.
Overall, this episode was good, but like the first, it merely felt average compared to Season One’s material. Part of this, as I mused before, probably has to do with the unusual pacing set in these first two/three episodes. I am, however, fully looking forward to Orientation. :Cheers:
This was not my favorite episode, it was a bit slow, and Sawyer and Michael were annoying. However, they had every right to be. They were basically in shock - specially Sawyer. You can only begin to imagine how that bullet wound must have hurt, particularly with all that salt water around *cringe*. OK so he probably saved his life by pulling the bullet out, but it took a lot of guts. But to be fair to Michael, all his dreams have come crashing down around his ears, his precious son has disappeared, and he and Sawyer are stranded. He has absolutely no idea where to look, where to find him.
World Walker - I think plenty of people cracked up over the Waaaaaaaaaaaaalt renditionings - we know that everybody within 100 mile radius of the island knew exactly where Michael was !
When they were arguing about who was going on whose bit of wreckage, Sawyer says "I thought we parted ways, Mike." Michael says "We're caught in the same current".
Michael goes well and truly to pieces. Sawyer watches and figures things out, and waits. Suddenly Sawyer is starting to take responsibility, even though Michael is being as obnoxious as he can possibly be. But Sawyer has a bond with kids, and he might not care for Walt that much, but he would do anything in his power to keep the kid safe.
Oh, Jin and the dreaded "Udders !" Bless his heart :)
I did watch this while offline. I wanted to smack Michael so bad. I couldn't decided what irked me more, his arrogance toward Sawyer or his frakkin WAAAAAAAAAAAALT.
I cannot recall so I do I get a free pass with the ending? Jin running toward Sawyer and Michael, hands tied around is back, screaming OTHERS! OTHERS!
I don't remember if I watched S2E3 so I will pick up there. Yikes will I ever catch up?
I loved Jin and his "Udders, udders !" He can barely speak English, he appears to be constantly confused, yet he stands by his friends and will do anything to help them.
Yeah, Michael's attitude towards Sawyer was pretty shitty, and yet Sawyer was the one who was standing up for himself AND his friends against the she-monster from hell ! I wonder, was Michael actually aware that Sawyer saved his life ?
AChristianShephard
08-16-09, 12:05 PM
I never realise they only spent 1 episode stuck on the raft wreckage, looking forward to watching this tonight.
Dont worry Dew, most of us are a little behind the trailblazing World Walker and Ozanna :)
World Walker
08-16-09, 02:39 PM
I never realise they only spent 1 episode stuck on the raft wreckage, looking forward to watching this tonight.
Dont worry Dew, most of us are a little behind the trailblazing World Walker and Ozanna :)
Funny you mention that. This week I've been so busy I have barely had any time for rewatch. When friends you haven't seen for two years come to visit and you're scheduled to work almost every day, there's not much time for anything else. :nanabobo:
Enjoy the time with your friends, World Walker - "Lost" will be here for a while ! I'm just in the doldrums at the moment. I need some sunshine and warm weather - and some rain .... *sigh*
AChristianShephard
08-16-09, 11:48 PM
:mad: :Hugglepounce:
Enjoy the time with your friends, World Walker - "Lost" will be here for a while ! I'm just in the doldrums at the moment. I need some sunshine and warm weather - and some rain .... *sigh*
Are you serious? Have this crap! I need rain and dark clouds. It's SO bright here, you can't even open your eyes outside without shades on. :)
I'll swap you, Zia ! Actually, I won't - last summer was horrific. 125 degrees F. Gale force northerly winds (hot as hell) And we've got less water than we had this time last year. I like warm, 70-80 F. Mild breeze and gentle summer rain. I don't like the bright light either - my shades are so dark I keep walking into stuff :D
I don't like the bright light either - my shades are so dark I keep walking into stuff :D
LMAO!! Hell yeah, sister. Mine are So huge and dark, I can't even see what I'm doing. I wear them until the burning orb is gone from the horizon completely. That means around 8PM. ;)
My kids want me to wear a stack-hat in case I do myself a mischief !
AChristianShephard
08-17-09, 01:47 AM
For some reason I dont really have anything to say about this episode, it was a bit silly at sea.
Didn't catch the dharma shark for some reason.
My biggest impression was made from seeing the hatch, it felt like home, I love that place, the look, the design, the atmosphere, awesome set.
Mikes flashback was a yawnfest, was there actually any point to it?
We didn't learn anything from it as far as I could tell, just what we had already known from Season 1.
Hmnn.
The stand off between Lock & Desmond is the only standout part for me, and Kate looking cute.
WW pointed out the new style of intercutting viewpoints in the timeline, be interesting to see how long they keep that up for.
Ive just remembered I didnt finished it, fell asleep last night with 10 mins to go lol.
7/10
The shark. lol I missed it 1st watch. Found it circling under the raft this time. :eek:
AChristianShephard
08-17-09, 02:47 AM
Ah just seen it, it was in the last 10mins lol.
Also the 'Otters' ending is an incredible piece of storytelling, very effective and brings back so many fond memories.
Upgrading 8/10
"Udders" Shep, "udders" !
Which was the hatch where Jules detonated the bomb back in the '70's ? I have no idea of where all the different hatches were.
Has to have been The Swan - no wonder so many people felt uneasy in there. It also explains Sayid's explanation about the radiation protection.
Sometimes I lose the plot !
AChristianShephard
08-17-09, 11:40 AM
Its certainly a tightly woven puzzle Ozzy, I do believe it was the Swan too, though i'm no expert. :)
I was a bit wary about posting actually - it seems so obvious, but .... not ! I shall have to put on my Sherlock Holmes hat ! :)
AChristianShephard
08-17-09, 12:23 PM
Were probably bot wrong then :Headbang:
Do not be so cynical - anyway it was the Swan Site. I checked the transcript :D
After extensive research (I read a couple of threads !) I realized I got the names mixed up ! It was the Swan. :D
AChristianShephard
08-18-09, 11:40 AM
You stuck in a time-loop?
Yer, I've been here for yonks. Time to move on ..... I can't remember whats next so I think I'll go to bed. nite nite :)
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