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Brian

09-12-07, 01:53 AM

This is the discussion thread for the LOST-TV Hiatus Rewatch - Season 2 Episode 6 , "Abandoned"

Written by : Elizabeth Sarnoff

The original (or as close to original as exists) thread for this episode can be found here (http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6661).

General questions about the LOST-TV Hiatus Rewatch can be posted in the LOST-TV Hiatus Rewatch thread (http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=37370).

Episode Description:

Michael, Jin, Sawyer and the tailies journey towards the camp. Shannon sees Walt and is shot.

ozchick

09-16-07, 07:39 PM

Wow, I'm never first in the thread (aside from Brian, that is). I'm sure someone will do a great recap of the episode, but that's not going to be me. Just some thoughts.

This is our first indication that for the women on the island sex = death. Shannon and Ana Lucia both get shot after having sex, and Sun and possibly Kate will die from the pregnancies resulting from sex.

One complaint with Shannon's FB. I know this is nit picky, but I've been taking ballet classes all my life, and ballet class does not end with barre work. Barre begins a ballet class, and it's been that way for a long long time. Also, Shannon is established as a ballet dancer, but the company she gets the internship with, the Martha Graham company, is a modern dance company, not a ballet company. Not that a ballet dancer couldn't get in with Martha Graham, but it's not a natural progression.
[end dancer rant]

We learn a little more about the tailies, but not much, but have a good set up for The Other 48 Days.

John is continuing to manipulate Charlie, who really is all about the baby, not so much Claire. I think he does care for her, but as we've discussed here, he's so much more into Aaron.

Sawyer nicknames:
Ponce de Leon: Ana Lucia
Chewie: Jin

ZIA

09-17-07, 02:11 AM

How prolific was it for Sawyer to say, "Michael only cares about himself and his kid?"

The Tailies finally give a little insight into their LOST experience. I remember screaming the questions out. LOL. "What happened?" It's still a mystery to me how exactly Cindy was taken in front of everyone else. The whispers that start right after her disappearance were heard by everyone this time.

Wet Walt is always so bizarre. The first appearance in Shannon's new 'love shack' (LOL) he says "They're coming and they're close." which we're led to believe is Shannon having a nightmare...until Sayid actually saw Walt too before Shannon was shot and killed. First, the whispers and then Walt appears again to say, "Shh."

I thought it was nice that Shannon could empathize with what she thought was Walt because "He's all alone." Just like she was when her Dad was killed.

Anyway, I agree with Ozchick, it was an intriguing episode and a great set-up for the next one.

ozanna

09-17-07, 07:00 AM

There was such a lot going on in this episode. I felt so sad for Shannon. She had a really sad life, which explained a lot of her nastiness. Her step-mother was a real witch. She went out of her way to make sure Shannon couldn't achieve her dream. In her scenes at the dance school she actually looked genuinely happy. Even Boone abandons her when he goes to work for his mother and says he can't support Shannon in New York. She finally finds what looks like genuine happiness and Anal goes and shoots her. At least Sayid saw Walt, so she knew she wasn't crazy. Zia it was touching that she was worried for Walt because he was all alone. I hope the sex with Sayid was worth it !

Charlie is getting very proprietorial over Aaron and critical of Claire. Locke is also getting his 2 cents worth in. Loved Claire's comment, "the cradles great, its the baby thats the problem!" Locke is apparently undermining Charlie. I didn't like his lecture to Charlie about being a recovering heroin adict. Admittedly he is worried for Claire and Aaron but could he not be a bit more encouraging to Charlie. In his own immortal words "Everone gets a second chance on this island", and what better way for Charlie to get his.

Back in the jungle Anal is getting more and more vicious and seems to be quite happy to abandon Sawyer. I suppose you could say she has a point, with what we are starting to find out about the Others. But then again Sawyer isn't exactly endearing himself to anyone. Libby's comment "I've never seen anybody so scared" was interesting. He has apparently got over his death wish and wants to stay alive. I suppose its because of Kate. Huh ! I was really getting over Michael and his haphazzard racing around the jungle screaming "Waaalt", but when it came down to the crunch he was helping Sawyer in spite of his worry over his son. In fact Jin and Michael and even Eko, who barely knew him, were so caring for him I got a lump in my throat ! Michael instigates the building of a stretcher. All the tailies except Ana help with Sawyer. Ana accuses Eko of changing directions in order to get "the cowboy" back to his camp quicker. Well lady if you hadn't stomped on his shoulder maybe he wouldn't be in such a bad state now !

When Cindy disappears going up the embankment, was she taken or did she go of her own accord. When we saw her later in S3 with the kids it looked as if she belonged there. Ana pulls her (Sawyer's) gun and says shes going after her. Both times she gets Sawyer's gun it ends in tragedy - this time with Shannon, and the next time her and Libby cop it. The moral to this story is keep your hands off someone else's weapon !

When Walt says "They're coming and they're close", ignore me if I'm being dumb, but I'm assuming he was talking about Michael, Jin and Sawyer. I'll probably find out that everyone else already knew this and I've only just got it ! I'm a bit slow sometimes.

Heaps more interesting stuff. Next time.

11Rooster11

09-17-07, 06:11 PM

I still can't believe all the grief everyone gave AL. She was rough around the edges and her backstory (like everyone) gives tremendous insight into who she is and why she is that way. She was scared to death by the situation and doing her best to keep everyone safe. While it may seem callous to be willing to sacrifice Sawyer for the safety of the group it is not an unreasonable decision. I know everyone loves Sawyer and doesn't appreciate that she is willing to let him die. Ask yourself if it was Charlie (not you Darkrogue:) ) or Shannon or Nikki instead of Sawyer would people still despise the decision or the person making it. She is right there with Eko in terms of departed Losties I miss most. She actually leads very much like Jack. She makes a decision and there is nothing and nobody that will change that decision.

As for Charlie & Locke, I don't think John wanted to get involved. He was there and Claire pretty much insisted that he hold Aaron after he helped her out with the wrap job. He didn't even know that Charlie was back on the H. He finds out a little later. Again I think that it is Charlie who is out of order in saying the critical things he said about Claire. Of course she has "alot to learn about being a mom." She had no intentions of ever raising this child, there is nobody with any experience that can help her or give her advice, she didn't have the advantage of any formal training that comes at the hospital after delivery, ohhh and they're on an island with zero comforts. Seems to me that Charlie has alot to learn about being a dad and a companion. I think that John should have confronted Charlie about the statue right then and there.

As was stated earlier this was a great prelude to "The other 48 Days." I'm looking forward to that one!

ozanna

09-18-07, 02:17 AM

11Rooster11
Despite being a big Sawyer fan ITA with you about AL. My gripe with her was mainly that she stomped on his bullet wound, hit him on the head with a rock and smacked him in the face ! All of which he probably deserved ! But at the same time he was pretty defenceless. Anyway he probably enjoyed it ! As a character I thought she was great - at least she had one ! I could reluctantly understand why she wanted to leave him behind if he was going to hold them up, but for all his bravado and "I don't give a damn", he was just as scared as her. Anyhow they kind of ended up OK and in spite of everything I think Sawyer had a grudging respect for her.

lizzo

09-18-07, 06:28 AM

One complaint with Shannon's FB. I know this is nit picky, but I've been taking ballet classes all my life, and ballet class does not end with barre work. Barre begins a ballet class, and it's been that way for a long long time. Also, Shannon is established as a ballet dancer, but the company she gets the internship with, the Martha Graham company, is a modern dance company, not a ballet company. Not that a ballet dancer couldn't get in with Martha Graham, but it's not a natural progression.
[end dancer rant]

We could really do with a "Bloopers and Gaffes" post for these episodes like they have at the Doctor Who forum. I know there are things I see in episodes that I notice that take away my suspension of disbelief for a few minutes (mostly having to do with Sun and Jin), and then there are other things that look like mistakes, but could possibly have a purpose that we don't/won't know about until later.

Darkrogue

09-18-07, 08:19 AM

Yeah. This episode raised a red flag for me in terms of character deaths on this show. Both the other half and I mumbled that Shannon’s death did not bode well for the direction the show could possibly take. With Boone having died so recently, logic would have stated that Shannon would be relatively safe—at least for a considerable amount of time. When Ana blasted her guts out, I got the impression then and there that the character death decisions were derived from little more than random factors.

Basically, this was when I started to suspect the “deaths” would become ratings stunts, the characters chosen for the chopping block willy-nilly and based upon the whim of the writers, rather than real story-driven purposes. Just consider how may hoops they had to jump through to kill Charlie (they had to defy logic, physics, narrative payoff and common sense). Eko’s random, out-of-the-blue death has also been a source of complaint.

Shannon had so many more possibilities for growth after Boone’s departure, and yet for some odd reason she was the next to go, cutting off our access to further insights on either one of them. They had hardly scraped the surface of possibilities. Meh. And this is coming from someone who did not even like Shannon.

ozchick: I thought about the ballet class discrepancy, too. We always did the bar first, and then moved on to more complicated things. :D

Once again, as you mentioned, Charlie is obviously more “in love” with Aaron than Claire—albeit he could try being a little more tactful to Claire about her parenting. If I were a new mom, I would find it presumptuous of him to speak to me that way. Charlie’s just so eager to take on the parental role that he comes off as overbearing.

At the same time, yet again, I have to take issue with Claire and her assumption that carrying a single statue makes one a “religious freak”. If she saw him with several of them clattering out of his bag, then she might have reason to wonder, but it seems she is basing her aggravation towards him upon the possibility that he might be religious—as opposed to reasons she could more legitimately be upset about. I don’t get it. It seems like such random characterization, designed to create tension between them without any real purpose or long-term goal.

Locke is apparently undermining Charlie. I didn't like his lecture to Charlie about being a recovering heroin adict.

Especially coming from a guy we know for a fact once lived on a weed farm and freely distributes hallucinogenic wacky paste to other characters (Boone) and himself.

Admittedly he is worried for Claire and Aaron but could he not be a bit more encouraging to Charlie. In his own immortal words "Everone gets a second chance on this island", and what better way for Charlie to get his.

I think Locke’s character was damaged during season two (as were Charlie’s, Michael's, Kate's and several others). One of the problems with Locke is that he seems to neglect his own philosophies from S1 (as in the example you pointed out, ozanna). This discrepancy only manifests itself more intensely in Fire and Water, and comes to a baffling crescendo when he reverses his view on the button later in the season. I often questioned whether TPTB were still writing the same show.

You’re right, Rooster, Charlie doesn’t get much love on this board, and not many would have complained if he and Sawyer’s places were exchanged, I’m afraid. While I like Sawyer, he admittedly does not make it easy on himself (as has been discussed). He seems to invite it—which is at least in-character!

And I’m sorry, I could not stand AnaL (seems we’re in somewhat similar positions with regard to heaps o’ hate directed towards characters we like, Rooster), although I blame that more on the writers for trying too hard with her. I know they wanted her to be a strong female character, but she came off as far too abrasive, irrational and unlikable. Part of my irritation might have been due to having this newbie “mess with” established characters I already cared about, but there is really more to it than that. It did not help having her pull the trigger on Shannon (who again, I did not even like, but, you know—seniority ;) ).

She does approach leadership similarly to Jack—which might also have something to do with my dislike for her.

And yet again, she was wiped off the show about the point in which she might have begun to start growing on me. They introduce a little possibility for sympathy towards the character, and then BLAM!

Sometimes I don’t think the writers have any real sense of love for the characters, let alone any desire to really develop them. I think it is all about the myth and the island for them. That’s aggravating for me, because when the Pilot first aired, it was the characters that made me want to watch, and I feel as though they are cast away for the sake of ratings (and to accommodate new, carbon-copy characters every season).

Err...wow. That all seemed like a rant, and it really wasn’t! Just observations. Allow me to at least point out some of the episode’s strengths, so I don't sound like a complete ogre, here. :p

This one did quite a service to Shannon’s character, I’ll admit. While I don’t think her past problems excuse her for being a bitch to everyone around her, I don’t blame her for growing bitter and angry. She really experienced one misfortune after another, and did not have anyone whom she could truly depend upon. It is Boone’s mother who is the villain, here. Boone tries, but he is every bit a product of his mother (Boone actually comes off as more of a spoiled brat than Shannon, in retrospect).

Michael also won some points in this one, for reasons ozanna highlighted. Eko continues to fascinate, as well. Somehow, I knew I liked him very early on. :)

ZIA

09-19-07, 02:03 AM

And I’m sorry, I could not stand AnaL (seems we’re in somewhat similar positions with regard to heaps o’ hate directed towards characters we like, Rooster), although I blame that more on the writers for trying too hard with her. I know they wanted her to be a strong female character, but she came off as far too abrasive, irrational and unlikable. Part of my irritation might have been due to having this newbie “mess with” established characters I already cared about, but there is really more to it than that. It did not help having her pull the trigger on Shannon (who again, I did not even like, but, you know—seniority ;) ).

She does approach leadership similarly to Jack—which might also have something to do with my dislike for her.

I think that's exactly it for me too. I could have embraced a new 'strong' female character on LOST, but after she ran roughshod over a couple of my favorites; well, let's just say it was over for me. She was too everything. Irrational is putting it lightly. (I can't believe you gave her that much of a break, Darkrogue.) LOL.

I also concur that I almost liked her only to have her killed. I didn't really see that any of her issues were actually resolved either. There were a myriad of options for playing AL out in the series rather than just killing her off in such an untimely way.

ozanna

09-19-07, 02:57 AM

Zia - at least she would have died happy !!! with a smile on her face !!

Locke 'n' Load

09-19-07, 04:07 AM

Although I never really liked Shannon, I’m glad Sayid told her that he loved her and would never leave her before she was shot. He also told her he believed her about Walt. Besides her father, he was probably the only man who truly loved her. Boone cared for her and lusted after her, but when she really needed him in NY, he gave in to his mother and took a job with her in LA.

Sabrina: What a wicked witch. ‘Nuff said!

Ana pulls her (Sawyer's) gun and says shes going after her. Both times she gets Sawyer's gun it ends in tragedy - this time with Shannon, and the next time her and Libby cop it. The moral to this story is keep your hands off someone else's weapon !

:lol: :lol: :wave: :wave:

catnap

09-21-07, 01:35 AM

Although a lot of people seem to criticize Season 2, I think all the episodes have been great so far. Yeah, it kind of sucked that Shannon died, especially when she was being somewhat redeemed - but if the writers did it for shock value, it sure worked. Even though I knew it was coming I was a little shocked. It was a powerful ending, the new Losties having shot one of the originals. And Cindy disappearing as well.

I liked how they worked together right before to get Sawyer up the cliff, even though not everyone wanted to bring him along.

ZIA

09-21-07, 01:46 AM

I never understood why people weren't happy with Season two. Personally, I like LOST better when it's disturbing and dark.

ozanna

09-21-07, 02:17 AM

ITA Zia - in fact since we've been doing the rewatches I've been enjoying it even more. Hopefully next season will be dark and dramatic as well. Although its nice to have the occasional comedic scene to break things up a bit. Bring on Hurley and Sawyer !!

sweetsunray

12-26-07, 06:33 PM

Finally the plot gets moving once more...

Sayid:
- apart from repairing the puter we haven't seen him, but here we learn what he's been up to... making a love nest for Shannon. It has been said that sex is a killer for Lost women, but it's a character standstill for the men as well.
- Sayid did not want to go to the caves because he wanted to be rescued, but now he's thinking of forever with Shannon and forgetting all about Nadia. Not that I don't understand the choice of a live woman at your side over a picture love, but it's hardly consistent with the love he professed for Nadia in a few weeks time. I guess he's reconciled with the fact he'll never leave this island?

Parallel: the epi starts with a recap about Boone's burrial, and Shannon lies death in the arms of Sayid at the end.

Redemption: aside from sex it also has been said that those who find redemption are ready for the chopping. I don't think that it necessarily means that finding redemption means death, but probably that despite the previous events and behaviours that may make us dislike a character, the writers want us to remember the dead well, have a good feeling about them once they're gone. They want us viewers to think, "Oh, what a pitty, nice fellow/gal after all. He/she wasn't so bad." It makes the death more impressionable. So to me it's a writing technique in honour of the character we're about to say goodbye to, and so inherently the character gets redeemed in our eyes.

Ana Lulu: I've watched hard what exactly irritates me about her, what does she do and say that makes me think she's over the top. It's not her decisiveness per se. I noticed how she decides based on the input of her people: Libby, Cindy, and especially Eko. They all feel free to discuss their opinion with her and she follows their input. So, she has not been a dictatorial leader after all (until Shannon gets shot of course) to her Tailies. What does get to me is that she explicitly always wants to assert her leadership by stating the obvious... example: they (Michael, Eko, Bernard, Libby) decide to make a stretcher and carry Sawyer and Ana Lulu just has to "decide" that "they" will have to carry Sawyer. She's actively making the point to show that she decides they will carry him, ignoring that was what was already decided by themselves. Here we see she's not just scared, and feeling responsible over the safety of her band, but in high need of self-assertion (and so far, that is up to this point in S2, I haven't even seen Jack self-assert by stating the obvious in this way).
And then of course there's her Swayer-like tongue. It's like she needs to comment on everything, needs to get personal to everyone (especially Sawyer). She almost blames Sawyer for Eko running after Michael. And then her accusations against Eko ... Almost anything she says is either an accusation or critique. Sounds familiar? People compare her leadership with that of Jack, but imo what we see is a female Sawyer in a leadership position.
The writers have tried to introduce new people several times and not all of these people were as welcomed as the writers foresaw. Ana Lucia was one such character. Their mistake imo was to introduce Ana Lucia in the same way as they introduced Sawyer to us, but because it is much later in the story such a tactic is bound to fail. Sawyer had time to win our sympathy, so even when they set up a female Sawyer against him we're automatically more inclined to be pro Sawyer. Meanwhile they have drawn out the mystery of what happened to the Tailies so much, let alone let AL's backstory fall back, that we hardly have any emotional door to start appreciate her.
Overall I think the writers are good in finding plot twists, as well as creating a fleshed out character, but they seem to lack any understanding of the stages in winning readers/viewers for a character... that is they do know how to win somebody over at the start of the story, but not when introducing new characters. Most of all they don't seem to understand that later introductions win sympathy differently than early introductions. This is not only clear from the fact that those characters they really wanted in were disliked by the audience, but also that those characters they had not planned to keep for long were well received such as Desmond and Ben, even if we did not have a backstory about them yet.

Compare this with Libby or Eko... Eko is tough, and yet we are introduced to his compassion for our Losties early on. The same goes for Libby. AL shows no compassion at all, and so we have nothing to be won over by her. It's as if the writers didn't comprehend that we're not neutral anymore. Desmond worked because again he was not unsympathetic to either Jack or Locke in the short time we saw him. Same goes for Ben as well as Juliet even, although we know they're Others.
Why did we think "phew, good riddance" when Artz got blown to pieces? Because he was critiquing our heroes, those we came to know. He may have been voicing our own remarks, but that doesn't matter. It's like when you're in a relationship: you may be harping on the flaws of your partner, but when somebody else (an outsider) does it they're overstepping the boundaries. Niki and Paolo acted in a similar way. They criticised long established characters while in our eyes they're newbies and outsiders. In our viewer's eyes they have no right to crit.

Charlie - Claire - Locke - Aaron: Hmmm, Charlie's crit is not unfounded, but he does act like he's married to Claire when he isn't. He's so happy and eager to have responsibility that he loses sight of perspective. He acts like the bf who thinks he ought to raise his gf or something... he's not acting like a bf or a friend to Claire, but as a father. I have met such guys with female friends of mine or in personal relationships with myself who somehow have this idea they need to raise me/my friend or something. When/how you ought to talk/walk/eat... and I always tell them I already have a dad who did his very best.
So, I understand Claire's apprehension of this attitude with Charlie. And I understand she's trying to establish bonds between Aaron and other Lostie males in order to make Charlie less important.
And here Locke was A-OK by talking to Charlie and making clear he did not have the intention to get in Charlie's way. The problem of course is that one day he tells Charlie he does not want to step on Charlie's toes, and yet he does exactly that afterwards.

Shannon: another parent on the witch/ba$tard list. She may have been right about Shannon's fickleness, but Shannon was a teen after all. As far as I know being a teen means being fickle. And right about the time when Shannon will start to try and make something of her life, she blocks the attempt. Shannon did have some responsibility after all: she taught ballet class. And yeah, I can totally understand why Shannon taught she could con Boone out of his money... the wicked stepmother keeps the money of Shannon's dad all to herself and puts up a trust fund for Boone with it, but she leaves Shannon penniless.
But there was some truth in the stepmother's accusations of Shannon. Shannon remained fickle: au pairing, marrying someone and divorcing him in a short time, from relationship to relationship, not doing much of a job at all... she did little to nothing after the crash aside from sunbathing. And even in her redemption phase, Shannon still blames other people for her own choices in her life... it's not much of a redemption when viewed from a distance.
In the end, Boone did offer to help her out financially, and Shannon herself refused the money or the loan, while she conned him out of it afterwards. If the dance company truly had been her dream then would she have done what she did?

Cranky

01-05-08, 07:46 PM

Fletcher

01-05-08, 08:01 PM

I really enjoyed this episode from a character-development standpoint, but it's true that killing Shannon off so soon after Boone seems counter-intuitive. I'm hoping that Sabrina will end up factoring heavily into the flash-forwards, and give the Shannon/Boone story some weight in terms of the show as a whole.

ZIA

07-29-09, 03:42 AM

LOST Hiatus Rewatch:
Week 10
Weds., July 29th-August 4th 2009

S2:E5: ...Abandoned

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World Walker

08-04-09, 01:39 AM

This will be the first episode I begin my avatar game. Basically, with every new episode of hiatus I watch, I will change my avatar to an image from that episode. For Abandoned, I’ve got Shannon sitting by her brother’s grave. This is something I planned on doing from the start, but I got busy and forgot about it. From now on this will be my little tradition during rewatch. :)

You know, I just decided I rather liked the Sayid and Shannon pairing, as unlikely as it seemed. That was a good scene between them at the beginning. Shannon’s changed a lot since the crash and I was just beginning to like her by the time I saw this episode, which, unbeknownst to me at the time, was her last.

Cindy seemed rather edgy to move on while the Tailies were resting in the jungle that night. Was she nervous about them being caught by the Others or did she have a strict deadline in which she had to rendezvous with them? To this day we still don’t know if she was abducted, went with them willingly, was an Other all along, or was brainwashed. I hope they clarify who Cindy really is in Season Six, because she seemed completely at ease with the Others in Season Three. :scratchch

Sawyer: “Mike only cares about himself and his kid.” – Sadly enough, even if that’s not necessarily true at the moment, it will be toward the end of the season. Michael won’t redeem himself for his actions in Season Two until he returns to the Island later and gives his life to delay the freighter explosion.

This is our second Wet Walt sighting. Again I wonder whether that was really Walt and he was trying to warn Shannon about something or if it was really a malevolent presence on the Island luring her to an early death. His appearance in the jungle later, practically leading her to the Tailies, was what got Shannon shot.

There’s a lot of tension between Charlie and Claire brewing in their brief scene. In a way, I believe Charlie is substituting Aaron for his drug habit, obsessing over the baby like he is the father. This is tragic, but understandable considering the wide gap the absence of his drug habit has created. He uses Aaron to fill the gap. Charlie’s handling of Aaron makes Claire uneasy and begins to put a wedge between the two.

The writers played with us a bit in Shannon’s first flashback scene. The camera settled on the face of a blond girl who you would assume to be Shannon as a child, then pans back further to reveal Shannon is actually the ballet instructor. Another gotcha! moment from LOST. :nanabobo:

Jack rushed by when Shannon and her step-mom got to the hospital. This was a brief continuation of the scene following what we saw in Man of Science, Man of Faith when Jack chose to save Sarah while Mr. Rutherford died on the other table.

It was nice to see Boone again in that flashback. :)

This is the second time we’ve seen the strange rocky terrain where Rousseau led the losties in Exodus Part 1.

Though I’m sure Claire never had any romantic feelings toward Locke, the Charlie/Locke/Claire conflict was one of the most bizarre triangles on the show. That having been said, it was nice to see Charlie recover from all the terrible things he went through in Season Two and actually develop into a stronger person. This season, however, was very hard to watch if you liked Charlie. :no:

Ana-Lucia: “They came the first night that we got here. They took three of us. Nothing happened for two weeks. Then they came back and took nine more. They’re smart and they’re animals and they can be anywhere anytime.” – I wonder why the Others took so many from the tail section and practically left the fuselage survivors alone. It wasn’t because they were better armed. The Others could’ve stormed their camp. There must’ve simply been more people on ‘Jacob’s’ list (and I’m very skeptical these lists actually came from Jacob in the first place) that the Others had to take from the tail section.

You can really begin to understand (not excuse, mind you) the way Shannon acts from the disappointment she received at the hands of her step-mother. She was so close to getting something she really wanted. To have it denied in that manner by her step-mother is beyond frustrating. I really felt for her in that scene.

That scene where they’re hoisting Sawyer up the cliff is very intense. They take their eyes off Cindy while they reach the top of the hill. By the time they notice she’s missing, Cindy’s long gone. Then the Whispers begin. For all of these characters (minus the unconscious Sawyer) this is the first time they are hearing them.

What can we assume? At this point, we know Cindy was taken or willingly went with the Others. Thus, we know the Others were near at the time. The whispers always seem to happen while they’re around. The key question I hope we will see answered in Season Six is: why?

Boone offers Shannon money to stay afloat and she gets angry, turning him down. This is ironic, because later she tries to con him out of his money. He offers to give it to her and later she tries to take it.

The whispers happened right before Wet Walt appeared for the last time. I’m beginning to wonder if associating the whispers with the Others may be on the right track, but ultimately wrong. Maybe the whispers are more to do with Smokey (who the Others may actually worship), if we assume that is what Wet Walt really is. If Wet Walt is Smokey, I believe Shannon was led to her death. Again, notice the similarity to Walt putting the finger to his lips and the little choir boy Eko sees in The Cost of Living putting his finger to his lips before Eko is lured to his own death. These two scenarios are very similar in method and outcome.

Current Lostie Survivor Count: 48 originally -1 (Marshall) -1 (Joanna) -1 (Scott) -1 (Boone) -1 (Arzt) -1 (Shannon) which brings us to a total of 42 survivors to date.

That look on Sayid’s face was scary at the end. Good episode. Lots of unanswered questions still. :nanabobo:

AChristianShephard

08-20-09, 01:22 AM

Is Shannons & Sayids relationship believable?
Seems slightly odd to me.

Damn, wet walt! Lost just aint this creepy anymore with its time lords and moronic Dharma staff.
I cant remember if wet walt was adequately explained, but I know the episode that ill confirm, oh actually no I dont..

I completely forgot about Cindy and her disappearance.

OMG do not watch the whispery bit in 5.1 surround, literally had the hairs on the back of my neck standing up.

Uh oh, its raining.

So that didnt appear to be wet Walt, and he had a different top on. UH?

Wow, one of the best endings of them all, when we were still at a time where killing of major characters was inconceivable.

10/10

Dew

08-26-09, 11:37 PM

Isn't Shannon's stepmother a class A biatch? Smack that woman silly please.

OK the gang is back together and the march to the beach begins. Sawyer's wound is so infected and that is a bad position to be in.

Shannon insists on finding Wet Walt. No one believes her, ever.

Where did Cindy go? I cannot remember seeing her leave.

Sayid said the L word. I am impressed.

On no, rain and whispers. Now they both see Walt and Shannon starts calling to Walt after Walt shhh's her. Bye Bye Shannon. Sayid is an emotional mess and now I really can't stand AnaL.

ozanna

08-27-09, 12:29 AM

[QUOTE=Dew;2773264
Where did Cindy go? I cannot remember seeing her leave.[QUOTE]

I'm pretty sure it was when they were hauling Sawyer up a horizontal escarpment, and Cindy and the kids disappeared, possibly to rendezvous at a pre-ordained place to meet up with the Others. Maybe ! :D