View Full Version : LOST Hiatus Rewatch #3 (09/23/09-09/29/09)- S3E6: I Do
This is the discussion thread for the LOST-TV Hiatus Rewatch - Season 3 Episode 6, "I Do"
Written by : Damon Lindelof & Carlton Cuse
The original thread for this episode can be found here (http://losttv-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=27628).
General questions about the LOST-TV Hiatus Rewatch can be posted in the LOST-TV Hiatus Rewatch thread (http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=37370).
Episode Description:
Jack operates on Ben. Kate and Sawyer have sex. Pickett and Jason are about to kill Sawyer when Jack's threats stop them.
I just realized no one has touched this epi and the next 3 are already up ! Christmas really plays havoc doesn't it ! So being a good little re-watcher I will see what I can do !
I guess this epi is notable for Kate's marriage and the - gulp - cage sex ! Kate's future husband seems like a nice guy but, wait for it, he's a cop ! What are you thinking Kate ? His mother, Suzanne, also seems to be besotted with Kate, sorry Monica, and tells her how beautiful she looks in her wedding dress. She gives her a beautiful silver locket - Kate looks distinctly uneasy. The wedding between Kevin and "Monica" takes place.
Married bliss starts but Kate is not that easy with it. While she is shopping in the supermarket Kevin calls her, and then she runs out to a call box and rings Marshall Mars. She has a little timer, and when it dings she hangs up, so her call can't be traced. Tells him it has to end. It makes you wonder what is going on between these two. At dinner that night Kevin gives her 2 tickets for Costa Rico on Oceanic Airlines (obviously !) Later we see Kate crying over a negative pregnancy test. She tells Kevin about her fugitive status and says that she has to leave. He stands up to try and prevent her but feels dizzy. Kate tells him she has drugged him so that he can't stop her from leaving.
Meanwhile back on Alcatraz Pickett takes Kate to work, not Sawyer, but she kicks up a fuss saying they are a team, so he takes them both. Juliet tells Kate she has to come with her to see Jack - Kate refuses but Juliet says she'd better because Pickett is itching to Kill Sawyer and he will at the slightest opportunity. Kate has to convince Jack to operate on Ben. Jack is not happy and refuses to commit, and tells Ben to send Kate away. Is he jealous because Kate is upset because they have threatened to kill Sawyer if Jack won't co-operate. Jealousy is a curse, Jack ! Back at the cage Pickett is getting his pleasure by brutalizing Sawyer. As Kate is led back Sawyer says "And how was your day, honey !"
Kate tries to explain to Sawyer that if Jack doesn't operate on Ben, Pickett will kill Sawyer, and she was tying to save his life. Sawyer tells her "My life don't need saving." Kate breaks out of her cage and gets into his, trying to persuade him to escape - he tells her about them being on a separate island. He didn't tell her about this before because he didn't want her to lose hope. Kate is touched (literally probably !) and they kiss. They take off their clothes and let nature take its course ! Afterwards, when they are in post coital bliss Sawyer asks Kate if she said she loved him just to get Pickett to stop beating him. She kisses him but won't commit. Sawyer says "I love you, too."
Jack is operating on Ben, and Pickett sneaks out to go back to the cage where he beats Sawyer, again, holds a gun to his head and screams at Kate if she loves him. Kate is hysterical while Sawyer is on his knees in the rain with Pickett's gun at his head waiting with resignation to be executed.
Yes, Kate, he does love you. Saved by the bell, Jack calls on the walkie talkie and tells them he has Ben's life (literally) in his hands and they must let Kate and Sawyer go. Pickett is foiled again and Kate and Sawyer escape (we think) and Jack finalizes Ben's surgery.
Sorry for the length of this but there was a lot going on !
I'm such a slacker! I haven't watched it.
There hasn't been a lot of time, Zia ! I only just did it because our Christmas is over. Actually I love Boxing Day - all the hard work and eating is over and we can relax ! Its a beautiful 80 degree sunny day and I am going to sit in the sun and read a book !
Enjoy the rest of your Christmas.
Kate was such a bad 'Monica' I thought. She could never pull the whole housewife thing together enough to convince me. lol She was really going to try to go 'straight' with her cop husband? It was all so contrived.
Jack was finally actually being a good leader and not caving in to any of the pressure from Ben and Juliet. I love the line, "I just want you to know how you're going to die." So, I had hoped Jack wasn't buying into the psych. game they were playing. I was wrong. lol
What else?
"Monica's" husband mentioning Tampa was odd considering that everything vile on LOST is affiliated with Florida for some reason.
I loved Ben's face through the operating table. Disturbing.
I love this epi - one of my very favorites. Except the part where Sawyer almost gets shot, of course. I was very tense even though I know what happens.
Kate seemed awfully personal on the phone with the Marshall. She even called him by his first name. The is most definitely something going on there.
As always, a cliffhanger ending. Sawyer still appears to be in danger. I have no idea how I made it through the week after that one aired originally!
Zia - I really agree with you over the Jack bit - he occasionally has a flash of what could have been !
Kevin mentioning Tampa - could this have been anything to do with Sawyer's legendary Tampa job ?
Why did Kate go through with that farcical marriage, and what does she have going on with the Marshall. She didn't seem to be too perturbed when he died on the island.
Catnap - Sawyer on his knees with his head bowed - omg, Kate is such a fool if she can't see how much he loves her !
Zia
Catnap - Sawyer on his knees with his head bowed - omg, Kate is such a fool if she can't see how much he loves her !
Yes, he was so stoic. I love this epi b/c they finally admit their feelings for each other when faced with Sawyer's possible demise. I think that is part of the title "I do" - as in do you really love him? That is certainly why Kate doesn't want to go to work without Sawyer - she is afraid of him being left alone with Danny. And Sawyer saying that he loves her too, wow, what a huge thing for him. Even Jack was impressive in this one imo. He looked truely happy/worried when he saw Kate, and then when he saw the video of K&S, he really looked broken up. Oh well you can have Juliette Jack!
I remembered that scene vividly. I thought Sawyer was a goner! TPTB just killed Mr. Eko and I thought they'd have no mercy for Sawyer either.
Close call. IMO
ozchick
12-28-07, 01:08 AM
I :heartpump Nathan Fillion. I mean, I know the whole marriage thing was so contrived, but really, how could you ever leave Nathan Fillion?!? I couldn't believe when Keri Russell did it in Waitress either. I actually know he's happily married in real life. His wife is a friend of my cousin's from high school. But, still... :pant:
[end NathanFillionlovejack]\
I love Sawyer in this episode. He's so grumpy at the beginning, then the scene leading up to the hot cage sex is fantastic. She calls him James, he calls her Kate, and you can see how much he loves her. Wanting to give her hope, then admitting his love, and finally facing death stoically in the rain.
Jack also has great moments. First saying to Ben "I just want you to understand how you're gonna die" - oof! Then "you won't have to be disappointed for very long" - double oof! And he is so happy to see Kate, he just wants to make it ok for her, but the mention of Sawyer quickly ends that. Then when he sees them in the cage, he basically realizes she's chosen Sawyer and that's the deciding moment for him to go his own way.
Please TPTB, please, please, please give us a Kate flashback showing us what really happened between her and the Marshall. There's so much more there, and I want to know what it is. Please? Kthxbai.
Do you remember how much buzz there was around here about the line "Shepherd wasn't even on Jacob's list"?
Sawyer nicknames:
Freckles: Kate (many times in this ep)
Son of a bitch: Danny
Honey: Kate
Doc: Jack
Blockhead: Danny
Nathan Fillion? He was in a little show called Firefly. He was also in another little show called Drive but the idiots at FOX decided to cancel it two episodes into the season......but that's a complaint for another forum. :D
Thanks Brian, but, was he in this Lost epi or something?
ozchick
12-28-07, 01:13 PM
Thanks Brian, but, was he in this Lost epi or something?
He played Kate's husband Kevin, the cop.
The one she drugged and ran away from because she "didn't do taco nights".
Just saying !
Thanks Brian, but, was he in this Lost epi or something?
Sorry, I misunderstood you. :) I thought you were asking who he was in general.
Thanks ozchick, for answering her question. :)
Thanks guys! BTW, he didn't do it for me. He's no Sawyer!
Thanks guys! BTW, he didn't do it for me. He's no Sawyer!
Catnap! You are a woman of taste and integrity !
Completely, wildly and totally OT, but I was watching "The Big Lebowski" yesterday, (brilliant movie !) and I decided that Jeff Bridges, Josh Holloway and Kurt Russell should make a Coen Brother movie together - Awesome !
I would watch anything w/ JH in it. Preferably w/ some nudity involved.
I would watch anything w/ JH in it. Preferably w/ some nudity involved.
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Catnap - as I said above - taste and integrity !
But seriously, he has it all, great actor, good looks, good body, great sense of humour and comedic talent - and I am so shallow ........ !
he does have it all - there is something about him. Yum.
I would watch anything w/ JH in it. Preferably w/ some nudity involved.
This is one of your best posts! Catnap, you crack me up! :D
This was one terrific episode imho. It just occured to me what the Marshall
might have meant. Maybe when he said--if you would settle down in one
place, I would let you go (paraphrase)--he meant settle down with him.
It's reaching a little, but what else can explain all the odd things surrounding
their relationship?
This is the third time Kate has drugged someone or assisted in drugging.
Why does she use this as a solution to problems?
A very quirky-type parallel seemed to be occuring about Kate and love/marriage.
Kate has it all, the handsome husband (okay not as handsome as Sawyer),
the picket fence life. Her husband is a cop. She still cannot resist the urge to run.
Contrast that to Alcatraz and the cages. She gives up the opportunity to
run. Sawyer is a criminal. She commits to Saywer and she does not run. I believe as Ozanna commented, the "I Do" in the title is an I Do to Sawyer.
EL, JH and MF acting skills shined in this episode, I thought. The scene
with Kate and Jack in the hydra; the scene where Kate is seeing Pickett
brutalize Sawyer; the scene in which Jack takes over the operating room
and arranges his friends' escape--in what other show on television do you
see perfomances such as this?
Also with regard to the acting, (I'm sure you all caught this), but I could
hardly believe the emotions of love, relief, yearning, pleasure,all combined,
on the face of Josh Holloway during the pre-sex scene.
Last but not least, we see Jack cowboy up, big time.
Hi Annie - with regard to Kate and her habit of drugging people, I had this thought that did we ever hear anything about Kevin after she did her runner ? Is there a chance that she accidentally killed him ? Which would be a good reason for the Marshall to be so hell-bent on catching her.Just one of my wild ideas !
I totally agree with you about the acting - it was brilliant. I often think that JH's looks overshadow his acting skills - he has one of the most expressive faces I have ever seen !
Also please take my above theory with a very big grain of salt ! I am probably totally wrong, but you never know ! If someone can disprove me - great ! Then I can get on to the next one !
Hmmm, Kevin trying to track down Kate might make for an interesting flashback. Or...dare I say, flashforward?
Speaking of flashbacks...we still don't know why Kate went to Australia or what she was planning on doing there.
sweetsunray
01-31-08, 10:26 PM
Speaking of flashbacks...we still don't know why Kate went to Australia or what she was planning on doing there.
Get to Bali, according to her own words in S1.
sweetsunray
02-01-08, 12:04 AM
Wow, what an emotional roller coaster...
Hmm, 3rd fb of an Other-caged Losty feeling caged... Jack spent a night in jail in the premier fb, Sawyer spent 9 months in jail in his fb, and here we see the metaphor for Kate... that marriage was a cage/prison to her:
- she had a fake name
- pretended to be a nice housewife
She just couldn't be who she was because of the situation.
And Kate seems to feel it more and more the longer it goes on:
- when she calls with Kevin about Taco night, she has this immense urge to call the Marshall. She says it is to ask him to leave her alone, but I think she just needs to call the only person willing to speak to her knowing who she is even if it's only because he wants to track the phone call. But the Marshall knows who she is. And I think that's why she had this call-the-Marshal habit. Because she's always on the run, never can truly say who she is, always has to pretend... the Marshal has become her anchor about her identity.
- then Kevin presents the Costa Rica tickets... that's a problem... she wouldn't have a passport, and she would have a hard time getting one, while her husband is a police guy. By then she's already realizing this was probably a big mistake.
- finally she ends up doing a pregnancy test. I think that in a way she hoped she would be pregnant to make her unhappiness about her situation (caged and a lie) go away. Sometimes when people have this deep down need to break away, that things are going wrong, they're so frightened of that feeling they want to jump in the opposite direction: go live together, marry, have a baby... as if the external circumstances will make the inside whirlpool go away. When she isn't pregnant, she breaks down because she must face that inner knowledge that she ought to break away.
SAWYER: I know how to get a damn fish biscuit.
KATE: Get me one.
SAWYER: Psh. What, you trying to keep me feeling productive
...
KATE: No Sawyer, we're a team. You break the rocks, I haul 'em.
Sawyer's so right on the money! And yet LOL, how Kate's trying to be his therapeutical animator. Kate trying to keep Sawyer into mental shape versus Sawyer wanting her to have hope, and it's Jack who ends up shining the light in the long dark tunnel.
Jack & Ben scene about Ben's progress: That was a superb scene. It just felt so good to see Ben go "oh" when he learns he's only got a week left to be operable. Good thing for Ben he didn't spend tie wasting the last weeks of operable time at mind games, huh. :p And then it even gets better with Jack saying Ben needed to be in surgery yesterday. Ben happily quips "Alright, then. Whatever you need, it's yours. I'm ready." LOLOLOL "I just wanted you to understand how you're gonna die." Ben tries to chide Jack as if he's a child, and Jack throws it right back "Well, Ben. At least you won't have to be disappointed for very long." You go Jack!!!
Picket: The doctor get out again?
He sure doesn't like to have the Losties around, does he?
ALEX: [To Sawyer and Kate] Come on! Get up! Go!
Here's confirmation that Alex is so made that she wants to rescue the Losties, and I was never totally sure whether the someone who helped Jack to leave his glass cage really wanted to help him on previous watches. Now I know for sure.
And there she goes again, "They're gonna kill your boyfriend just like they killed mine," crying about how the Others will kill a Losty. She did the same thing to Claire. She thinks Carl is already killed. How acute is her assessment? But it's so understandable that by now Kate's freaking out too.
PICKETT: I don't understand. It's supposed to be two weeks.
JULIET: Our schedule's been moved up.
Yeah, Picket... moved up, because Ben doesn't have much time anymore for games.
That Juliet then threatens Kate that Picket wants to kill Sawyer after mentioning the schedule, still makes me wonder whether they really wanted to shoot him. But then again, Picket went after Sawyer when Jack had already started the operation.
Jack-Kate scene: man that scene tears me apart for both sides. Jack's so touched when seeing her, gets this mushy expression on his face and he so wants to make it alright. And no, I never thought he was disgusted by Kate mentioning the threat on Sawyerbecause of jealousy. He's actually the first one who mentions his name and asks how Sawyer is.
Kate tries to keep strong at first, but then starts to break down. Something peculiar about this to me is that she does not solely break down because of her fears for Sawyer's life, but because within Jack's presence she becomes truly vulnerable. We've had such a vulnerable breaking down scene of her once in each season: S1 when he demands to know about the plane, S2 when she's in heaps over what she did to Wayne and seeing the horse ... starts crying the moment Jack holds her tight (and also says it's going to be alright)... and now this scene in S3. While against Sawyer she tends to cowboy up.
And then Kate mentions the operation, and Jack's suspicious all of a sudden, instantly looking at the camera, reminding himself he's being watched and played. Jack becomes angry. Note how he's angry before she even mentions Sawyer, so his anger derives from the Others trying to emotionally manipulate him via a weeping Kate. Then he starts shouting at her what they did to her. IMO his anger is actually directed to Ben. Also, some people who are extremely worried about someone they care about express this worry in anger. Jack's such a person imo, because he's an angry young man in general. Anger has become some sort of action drive in him.
And then when Kate breaks down, telling him in agony that they're going to kill Sawyer, he looks genuinely shocked about the threat imo, not jealous.
While Kate continues to sob and say "I'm sorry" (she's taking his anger personal again... You don't know Jack, Kate), Jack looks at the cameras again, backs off and is closing up. And when he says "We're done here," it's because he simply can't bear to see her like that anymore. Again imo not out of jealousy, but well he doesn't want to save Ben... he knows he'll let Kate down... and doesn't want to remain in that incredibly upsetting emotional scene anymore. Reminds me of my dad, who couldn't bear to see me in tears when he knew he had to disappoint me, and then got angry over it. Such scenes simply tore him apart, certainly when he knew he was the cause or couldn't do something about it.
BEN: Get her out of there.
Even Ben can't bear the loadedness of the situation anymore. His whole scheme was falling apart, and he felt for Kate too in that situation. Even Juliet was touched by that heart wrenching scene, talking softly to Kate. And then Picket the Brute comes back shoving and knocking Sawyer. Sheesh, Kate's a basket case right now. She really doesn't need that right now. And Juliet empathizes with that shouting at Picket for his bullying Sawyer back in the cage.
Picket: You got anything you wanna say to your girl? You best say it tonight.
Plan C is set to works.
Locke FINALLY realizing the schtick!
SAWYER: And you and me are what, bait?
Exactly!
SAWYER: At least the doc ain't dumb enough to do it.
Poor Kate... Now, Sawyer's even agreeing with Jack. She feels totally alone in this.
SAWYER: 'Cause I wanted you to believe we had a goddamn chance.
Aaaaah! Now Kate has two guys who try to look out for her survival. The interesting thing in a meta-story sense is that in S1 Jack also did stuff for her, and as if like a mirror Sawyer started to do it. He's starting to order her around for her own best interest as well. Seems like macho guys will be macho guys.
Cage sex!
Actually, I don't see it as Kate committing herself to Sawyer. In one way she kisses him to indicate "don't be daft" about her saying that she loved Sawyer to keep him from being hurt, and at the same time she feels she can't honestly give an answer. The whole past two days, culminating in the scene between her and Jack, have been so taxing on her emotions, I don't think she honestly can figure out what's what anymore. Plus she feels good in his arms as well, and forcing herself to say something either way would break up that good feeling.
Jack witnessing them in the cage.
He's genuinely surprised by that scene... which again points out he wasn't angry out of jealousy. And yet, though it dashes all hopes for him, he seems to understand and seems even touched by the scene. I always get this feeling Jack seems to think Kate's happy with Sawyer and accepts her choice.
Ben enters to spoil it for Jack, putting salt on the wound. And Jack gets angry again... This is the man he's really angry with, the man who manipulated all three of them, made a mess of Kate, threatens Sawyer all so that Jack would do the operation. He's got quite enough of the games. And now in a way free of anguish of who Kate will choose, that sets his heart free to do everything to have Sawyer and Kate escape... yet at the same time he wants to get away as far away as possible from the island to lick his wounds.
Jack who was one of the first (aside from Locke) to accept the Losties needed to survive on the island, possibly for the rest of their lives, jumps the shark and wants to go home. This is again a mirror with Sawyer who wanted to leave the island on the raft because there ain't nothing there to stay for anymore. Ironically, both means of escape got blown up: the raft and the sub.
And how much does Kate's scene of leaving Kevin mirror Jack's decision to do the operation in order to leave and yet at the same time do something for Kate: help her and Sawyer escape.
PICKETT: Let's go. [Walks off with a man]
OTHER MAN: Ben's just gone into surgery.
PICKETT: Ben just put his life in the hands of one of them! Shephard wasn't on Jacob's list.
It's this too what makes me unsure whether Picket was really going to execute Sawyer. It seems as if Picket wants to hold a gun to Sawyer's skull while Jack is holding a scalpel against Ben.
Also, the mentioning of Jack not being on Jacob's list. It sure didn't mean Kate and Sawyer were on the list imo. They were in fact the bait. But Picket doesn't trust Jack because he wasn't on the list.
Oh jeez I always feel like cheering Jack on from my couch with the kidney-sac scene!!!
Kate's in pure panic, certainly when Sawyer's allowing himself to be led to the slaughterhouse. And then when she gets that walkie in her hands she's suddenly all excited... a flash of hope... light at the end of the tunnel of her emotional ordeal.
Jack: Kate, dammit, RUN!
LOL, both Sawyer and Jack are telling her to run. She normally doesn't need any insisting. :p
Kate and Captain Hammer ;) Alrighty! These were some powerful flashbacks for her. She loves Kevin and yet knows that when he discovers who and what she is there will be consequences. Seems I forgot so much or I missed so much when watching the episode originally. Pickett, I never liked that guy. :no: Cannot wait until he gets what is due him. :whistling
Having just seen this epi again I couldn't help noticing the parallels between Kate and Kevin "playing house", Jack and Kate "playing house" and Kate refusing to play house with Sawyer. I don't think anyone will ever tie her down ! She may love Sawyer but only if he lets her remain a free spirit.
Having not officially re-watched this episode, I'm speaking from memory, but...I think something could have been done to elicit a greater emotion from the audience, and I feel the flashback sort of fails.
Kate has set up this perfect life for herself, but it's a fake life, and she can't run anymore. Not to mention the irony of who she married (a cop). I think this was a chance for a lot of good drama that never appeared. Potential to be season 1 good is all I'm saying.
I have to agree Cranky, the fb was not my favorite. Not that I
think Nathan Fillion is not a good actor, but he was not given much.
The odd thing was if she was pregnant, she was going to stay. I think that's
why she called the Marshall, just in case.
That urge to run just does not sit well with me. I'm hoping they explore that
in further episodes. In this case she didn't have to run. If NF found out
about her, there's the through thick and thin oath. Also if a US Marshall
was going to let her go free, things could have just rolled along.
It looks like she either runs instinctively or she just doesn't want the
taco night life. If it is instinctively, I would like to know more. Room 23
even came to mind.
I think that perversely Kate actually wants to be caught. But at the same time she wants to keep running. Interestingly enough Sawyer and Jack both told her to run, but she wouldn't.
Why would she marry a cop ? And it appeared that she loved him. "I don't do taco nights." OK fair enough, neither do I ! But Kate is not the domestic bliss type. It didn't work with Kevin and it didn't work with Jack, and they were the two "good" men she compared to army dad. But I think they both wanted to make her into something she can probably never be. Whereas Sawyer would never try and take away her free spirit.
With regard to Room 23 I don't think it really had any effect on Kate - Sawyer was the one who looked as if he might be in trouble. But she managed to snap him out of it.
I keep waiting for them to give us a concrete reason for the running.
Even those little runs, back and forth to Jack and Sawyer and treks into the
jungle at any opportunity.
Personally, I think Jack blew it with her. She was quite content with the
arrangement.
Personally, I think Jack blew it with her. She was quite content with the arrangement.
Seems to be the story of Jack's life, Annie !
AChristianShephard
07-28-08, 05:30 PM
Jack doesn't have the self confidence to accept happiness into his life.
I think Kate's backstory is the least convincing of all the characters, though that's more to do with the actress than the writing.
Was she shown as someone who needed to run all the time, bfore killing her abusive (stepdad?).
Or is this just a result of consantly having to watch her back?
I think we're missing a lot from Kate's life that could be told in flashback (but now that the show has moved on, I don't think we'll see them.)
Like when Kate rides up to the motel with all those license plates and dyes her hair...brown? I'm sure that was just a movie reference from TPTB and a hint at what Kate's life was like before the crash, but...it just seems there's something big we're missing from Kate's life.
Cranky, are you really British ? I used to be before I moved to Australia. Mmm fish 'n chips - my favourite - salt and vinegar in newspaper !
I agree about Kate's missing story - she appeared to be quite an accomplished criminal, but I am sure there was more as well. What caused the compulsion to run, did she have some kind of psychological disorder ? Why was her mother so scared of her ? "Like sand through the hour glass, whatever .... so are the days of our lives."
That scene with Sawyer on his knees in the rain waiting to be executed was very disturbing, to me, anyway. If this doesn't prove to Kate that he loves her, well, he may as well give in. Which he pretty well does anyway.
That scene with Sawyer on his knees in the rain waiting to be executed was very disturbing, to me, anyway. If this doesn't prove to Kate that he loves her, well, he may as well give in. Which he pretty well does anyway.
That was one of the best scenes I've ever seen on LOST. Josh Holloway was SO great in Season 3. Wow!
AChristianShephard
07-30-08, 12:29 AM
Mmm fish 'n chips - my favourite - salt and vinegar in newspaper !
Oh no, you have no idea how hungry that thought has just made me.
Must..Resist..Midnight..Fridge..Raid..
Yum! Let's all meet at a pub somewhere. I want that for dinner too. :D
I'm just trying to figure out what to have for breakfast/lunch - fish 'n chips sounds perfect ! :D
I had Thai for dinner. This new restaurant is gonna be one of my regulars. Now to find other friends who like Thai. http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn137/Dew2008/Smilies/eatdrink021.gif
I LOVE Thai, Dew. I'll pick you up in an hour. ;)
I love Thai, Dew, but I fear its too far to travel !
Room for one more, Zia ?
lol I have really great friends. A guy I know, before and during my bone saga, surprises me and takes me out places that are new. He doesn't allow me to get Cabin Fever. :D Love him! Tonight he took me to dinner at this new Thai restaurant. It was fantabulous and so is he. :D
Dew, If you lived near me; I wouldn't let you get 'Cabin Fever' either!...and yes Ozanna, absolutely room for you! :D Are you kidding?
Hey, talk about spooky, I just went down to pick up my mail, and there was a brochure for a new Thai Restaurant in my neighborhood !
Cranky, are you really British ? I used to be before I moved to Australia. Mmm fish 'n chips - my favourite - salt and vinegar in newspaper !
No, I'm not. Someone said they thought I was British. I are American as apple pie. Or is it cherry pie? Anyway, one of those pies.
And...how can you be British then move and then not be British? Wouldn't you just be British but living in Australia?
(And I've never had fish & chips, but I only hear good things about them.)
Hey, talk about spooky, I just went down to pick up my mail, and there was a brochure for a new Thai Restaurant in my neighborhood !
:faintthud
btw is my friend's picture in the brochure :naughty: He kinda reminds me of JH http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn137/Dew2008/Smilies/love-060.gif
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btw is my friend's picture in the brochure :naughty: He kinda reminds me of JH http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn137/Dew2008/Smilies/love-060.gif
Sadly no, Dew. Otherwise I would be there like a "rat up a drainpipe!" :nanabobo:
And...how can you be British then move and then not be British? Wouldn't you just be British but living in Australia?
Now that is a very good point Cranky ! I have never been naturalized (or neutered, according to one of my kids when they were very young !) so I always consider myself to be a "Pom" and proud of it ! But I do love the Land of Oz, except for winter in Melbourne ! The brochures used to show winter on the beach - well not in this neck of the woods - unless you're a lunatic !
Its amazing how huffy people get when I say I'm not Australian, because I've lived here a long time ..... so I just go with the flow.
A guy I know, before and during my bone saga, surprises me and takes me out places that are new. He doesn't allow me to get Cabin Fever. :D
...and now I'm imagining Dew as a reclusive writer who lives in a shack in the woods and writes pulp crime novels.
...and now I'm imagining Dew as a reclusive writer who lives in a shack in the woods and writes pulp crime novels.
:lmao: Not a recluse as I usually have people calling or stopping by however walking is a challenge. I do live rural so I guess you can say I live in the woods tho I am really in a nadir of a valley and I do a lot of documenting and now I am doing research on book proposals. Non-fiction tho not pulp crime novels tho what I have been through is a crime. Confused yet? lol
Confused yet? lolUtterly.
Utterly.
AHA! That's exactly something a Brit would say. :)
Jolly good show, chaps .... Or .... Right on, cobber !
Sorry to double post, but I just had a thought. When Locke, Sayid, Charlie etc. are about to bury Mr. Eko, and Locke and Sayid go off on a little errand, which involves another detour, it crossed my mind that Locke may have got the "wrong end of the stick" again .... sorry ! That was really bad wasn't it, but I couldn't resist !
You mean the end that said Look North was the wrong end in more ways than one? :)
Ozanna, I don't get what you mean either. In what way?
AChristianShephard
07-31-08, 10:18 PM
Sorry to double post, but I just had a thought. When Locke, Sayid, Charlie etc. are about to bury Mr. Eko, and Locke and Sayid go off on a little errand, which involves another detour, it crossed my mind that Locke may have got the "wrong end of the stick" again .... sorry ! That was really bad wasn't it, but I couldn't resist !
Hehe i get it :Cheers:
Hi guys, getting "the wrong end of the stick" means you don't understand something, you get the wrong idea ! I think thats a British saying. It just struck me as funny, because Locke quite often misunderstands things in his eagerness to please, and the fact that Eko's stick plays such an important part in this episode, plus it hit Locke on the head, just struck me as funny. Please someone say they know what I'm talking about ! :) :coffeedunk:
Thanks AChristianShephard ! Takes one to know one, eh !
AChristianShephard
07-31-08, 10:29 PM
Yeah must be a brit phrase, thought you were an Ozzie, must be the name.
Actually you have just triggered a thought, so the island, through Eko, carved the directions on the Jesus Stick? To bring the family back together again?
WOAH!
TBTB must be on crack!
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AChristianShephard
07-31-08, 10:32 PM
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Haha what on earth is that thing doing?
Yeah must be a brit phrase, thought you were an Ozzie, must be the name.
Early life in Britain, came here early 20's ! :)
Haha what on earth is that thing doing?
Raising a hand saying like an eager kind in grade school saying "I know" :D
Early life in Britain, came here early 20's ! :)
I hope you don't mean the 1920s.
:lmao: Sorry couldn't help myself :whistling
I hope you don't mean the 1920s.
You know, after I typed that I knew someone was gonna say that - but I thought, what the hell :D :lmao:
AChristianShephard
08-01-08, 07:28 PM
*Notes lack of denial*
:angel_not:
I think we're missing a lot from Kate's life that could be told in flashback (but now that the show has moved on, I don't think we'll see them.)
Like when Kate rides up to the motel with all those license plates and dyes her hair...brown? I'm sure that was just a movie reference from TPTB and a hint at what Kate's life was like before the crash, but...it just seems there's something big we're missing from Kate's life.
What movie Cranky or did you mean movies in general?
From the literary reference thread:
"Marnie" (1964) – (ETA camelsmoker & lacenaire) Opening scene of "Born to Run" is eerily similar to that of this Hitchcock movie, with SS cards switched instead of licenses, and a false blonde taking the dye out of her hair in the shower, before we see her face (with similar background music). Also, both about women with dark pasts (both killed a man) trying to conceal their identities, on the run from the law; and have the presence of a black horse in the plots.
When the episode first aired I remember discussion about this. I have not seen the movie, though, and cannot comment fully on how they parallel each other.
From the literary reference thread:
When the episode first aired I remember discussion about this. I have not seen the movie, though, and cannot comment fully on how they parallel each other.
I remember seeing that movie Cranky. It certainly draws a few parallels. The girl constantly changing her identity. She has lived a tragic life of abuse and crime. The man she hooks up with (Sean Connery no less) is trying to get to the bottom of her bizzare behaviour - she is frigid, but he eventually manages to awaken her feelings (well it is Sean Connery !) I sometimes wonder if Kate might be frigid - it would explain the constant running from one man to the other, not being able to make up her mind, never being able to get satisfaction. Marnie was petrified of thunderstorms, something she has no control over. Kate is petrified of captivity - something over which she has no control.
The horse was the one thing she truly loved (in spite of Sean Connery !)
Now I'll have to go and look for this thread ! Interesting.
Kate had a thing or two to do with horses herself.
I remember that movie, it was a Hitchcock movie. You guys have
stated many similarities to Kate. We were trying to determine why she always
ran. Maybe it's in here somewhere. I'll be IMDBing tomorrow.
Marnie is a habitual thief with psychological problems ! Sound familiar !
Now I want to watch "Marnie" again. I haven't seen it in years, but I love all of those old psychological thrillers Hitchcock did. Didn't Tippi Hedren play that role? Hitchcock had a huge, weird fascination with her.
Yes Tippi Hedren - she was in "The Birds" as well. I think he originally wanted Grace Kelly for the part but by that time she was Princess Grace and wasn't available.
Just another thought about "Marnie", her Mom was a "slut" and Marnie as a small child, I think, killed one of her abusive lovers. The plot thickens !
I don't really remember the movie, just the name 'Marnie' basically. I've always loved it.
Marnie Edgar (Hedren) is a troubled young woman who has an unnatural fear and mistrust of men, thunderstorms, and the color red. She is also a compulsive thief. She uses her charms on Sidney Strutt (Martin Gabel) to get a job without references. Then late one night, she steals the contents of the company safe and disappears.
Mark Rutland (Connery), a widower who owns a large printing company, is a good customer of Strutt's. He learns about the theft from the victim, and remembers the woman. So when Marnie applies for a job at his company, he is intrigued. He is robbed too, but unlike Strutt, Mark manages to track Marnie down. Instead of handing her over to the police, he blackmails her into marrying him.
On their honeymoon, he finds out about her frigidity. At first, he respects her wishes, but her undisguised hostility to him incites him to rape her. The next morning, she tries to commit suicide, but Mark finds her in time.
He attempts to discover the reasons behind Marnie's behavior. In the end, Marnie and Mark learn that her mother, Bernice (Louise Latham), had been a prostitute. When Marnie was six years old, one of her mother's clients (a sailor played by Bruce Dern) had tried to calm her after she became frightened by a storm. Bernice thought he was trying to molest her daughter and began attacking him. Seeing her mother struggling with the man, Marnie struck him with a fireplace poker, killing him. The bloodshed led to her fear of the color red. Once the origin of her fears is revealed, Marnie decides she wants to try to make her marriage work. --from Wiki
Thanks Annie ! Its quite a remarkable similarity, isn't it ! It makes me wonder about Kate's sexuality. If she is frigid it would explain a lot about her dithering between two very attractive men - her lack of interest in "taco nights" and settling down, and her general restlessness and urge to keep moving. Also her belief that all the men are checking her out or trying to look up her dress, and if they don't they must be gay !
Or maybe thats just my idea that if a woman spends a night with someone like Sawyer, and then goes chasing after someone else, well there's obviously something very wrong with her ! But then I do understand that not everyone loves Sawyer !
Thanks for the synopsis, Annie. Wow. What a movie! I think I'll rent it. :)
Thanks for the synopsis, Annie. Wow. What a movie! I think I'll rent it. :)
:yeah:
LOST Hiatus Rewatch:
Week 18
Weds., September 23rd-September 29th, 2009
S3:E6: I Do
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World Walker
09-30-09, 01:47 AM
This episode really reminds me how Kate can be a complete glutton for punishment. Out of all the guys she could have fallen in love with while on the run, she fell for a cop! Not a great survival instinct, but you almost have to admire the brass that must take. With that said, time for taco night… :)
The reason I believe Kate didn’t want Sawyer to have the day off was her fear that he would be killed. Sawyer looked pissed that he missed out on his day off but, hey, at least he’ll live!
That was funny how Locke gave a :bs:answer about what killed Eko when Nikki and Paulo were standing nearby, but as soon as Sayid asks about it while they’re alone, Locke tells him the truth. You know why? Because Nikki and Paulo can’t handle the truth! :nanabobo:
Locke about The Monster: “It might be what brought us here. I believe Eko died for a reason; I just don’t know what it is yet.” – Could Smokey be the true reason the Losties ended up on the Island? Or does that honor truly belong to Jacob in light of the Season Five revelations? I agree with Locke about Eko, though. He really did die for a reason. Something changed and he just had to go.
You know what just occurred to me? There are a lot of trees and underbrush around the area where the Others are working on the alleged runway. Yet when Flight 316 lands on Hydra Island’s completed runway in 2007 (Namaste), there doesn’t appear to be many trees around at all. The area around the runway appears to be very open. This is probably not a huge deal – just another minor inconsistency. :crazy1:
Alex is really wicked with that slingshot. Too bad she didn’t peg Pickett in the face when he told her to put her ‘little’ slingshot down. He needed a good humbling. You know, Alex’s statement about the Others killing her boyfriend makes you wonder. At what point did Alex become so distrustful of her own people? She acts almost like an outsider despite the fact that she grew up amongst the Others. Maybe the reason for Alex’s distrust of the Others has to do with their treatment of the Losties since they crashed on the Island. Maybe before that, she was just experiencing normal teenager rebellion which drove her further away from Ben.
Why did Alex fear they would kill Karl? For that matter, what did Karl do to afford the treatment he got? Was it just a very protective Ben laying down the hammer? I seem to recall him giving Alex that explanation for his treatment of Karl towards Season Three’s end.
Pickett and Juliet were speaking almost inaudibly while Kate takes a breather from chopping up rocks. Pickett seemed to be complaining about how it was supposed to take two weeks and Juliet says that their schedule has been moved up. Why was their schedule moved up? The most obvious reason would be so Ben could get his tumor operated on since it is nearly inoperable. The bigger reason for the schedule getting moved up could have to do with the Others learning about the freighter Widmore will soon send to the Island. Also, what does the schedule apply to? The runway or the captive Losties? :scratchch
Now that we’re at it, what’s the big deal with the two week period anyway? Ben states to Kate in A Tale of Two Cities that the next two weeks wouldn’t be very pleasant. Either he meant that they would not be pleasant because of the physical labor he’d be putting her through for the runway, or they would not be pleasant due to his eeeevil manipulations involving Sawyer and Jack. If Sawyer and Kate hadn’t escaped from Hydra Island with Jack’s help, what had Ben’s original intentions been for them?
I feel so bad for Kevin. The poor guy was completely fooled. The thing he liked most about Monica is “what you see is what you get.” Ouch! :mad:
This is the first time Jack and Kate, those lovebirds, have seen each other since the end of Season Two. I love how Juliet tells them she’ll leave and give them some privacy even though there’s a camera in the room. Jack gets angry the second Kate tells him to do the surgery. He’s decided he isn’t going to do it, and by gum, no girlie’s gonna tell him otherwise! In all seriousness, though, I can see why he wouldn’t want to do the surgery, but he’s taking it out on Kate when Sawyer’s life is at stake.
Kate’s phone call to the marshal was very interesting. They were speaking to each other as if they were longtime acquaintances. Kate even calls him Edward at one point in the conversation. That’s unusual, right? Again, it makes you wonder if there was something more going on between them. :scratchch
That was quite the steamy little scene between Sawyer and Kate. You know which one I’m talking about. :naughty: The chemistry between the actors coupled with the music made quite the memorable scene. Kate kisses Sawyer just like she kissed Jack in Season Two – in other words, she often seems to become turned on when in a state of extreme despair. We see this idea of extreme despair swiftly followed by sex again in Season Five right after Kate leaves Aaron with Claire’s mom.
The ghost intercom has activated again. This time we hear what most definitely is Alex’s voice urging Jack to try the door. This is shortly before he enters the surveillance room and sees Sawyer and Kate lying together in the cage. This seems like an obvious set-up on Ben’s part to divide Jack from his fellow castaways and change his mind about doing the surgery. That’s clear to me. Yet I still don’t know how the darned intercom fits into all of this. Has it not worked in years (as Juliet claimed) or was that :bs:? If Juliet did mislead Jack about the com, how did he hear his father's voice in it at the beginning of the season? I'm telling you...strange stuff...
Ben: “Well, I suppose this would be the proverbial nail in my coffin, wouldn’t it?” – Great quote. :thumbs_up
We see Kate taking a pregnancy test which she referred to in Sun’s presence back in The Whole Truth. Almost getting pregnant along with the vacation tickets was the straw that broke the camel’s back regarding Kate’s marriage . She had to get out. She had to run again. And so the cycle continues.
Pickett: “Shepherd wasn’t even on Jacob’s list.” – This is our first reference to Jacob on the show. Hard to believe, but true!
Tom looked so dumbfounded by Jack’s actions in the operation room that it was almost comical. :nanabobo:
That was an absolutely wrenching scene out in the rain. Sawyer was on his knees, Kate was begging for his life, and our favorite life and death music was playing over it all. The first time I saw this episode, I really tricked myself several times into thinking that they’d actually kill Sawyer. Then when the radio crackled to life, I let loose a sigh of relief, and I knew he’d be just fine.
Wow…that was quite the cliffhanger. No wonder so many people were angry with the show as it went on hiatus before the rest of Season Three came out. Overall, not a bad episode, although an awful way to end a mini-season. I Do mainly serves to set up the resolution of the captivity plot seen in Not In Portland. :Cheers:
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