View Full Version : LOST Hiatus Rewatch #3 (10/21/09-10/27/09)-S3E16: One Of Us
This is the discussion thread for the LOST-TV Hiatus Rewatch - Season 3 Episode 16, "One Of Us"
Written by : Carlton Cuse & Drew Goddard
The original thread for this episode can be found here (http://losttv-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=33393).
General questions about the LOST-TV Hiatus Rewatch can be posted in the LOST-TV Hiatus Rewatch thread (http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=37370).
Episode Description:
Juliet arrives at the survivor's camp with Jack, Sayid and Kate. Claire is stricken by a mysterious illness as Juliet rushes to save her.
Hollysasquatch
01-16-08, 04:56 PM
I can't stand Juliette. This episode made me want to puke, what with her trying to be the "good guy". I hated how Jack wanted everyone to act as if she was one of them, even though days earlier she and her people tortured and almost killed Sawyer and Kate.
I can't stand Juliette. This episode made me want to puke, what with her trying to be the "good guy". I hated how Jack wanted everyone to act as if she was one of them, even though days earlier she and her people tortured and almost killed Sawyer and Kate.
Juliet is being held against her will by Ben and his people as evidenced by the fact she wanted off the island in order to visit her sister, whom Ben claimed had been cured of cancer. Failing that, she saw the potential to 'escape' if you will by siding with the Losties.
One also need remember she was essentially coerced into working for them in the first place and, at least initially, under false pretenses, e.g. working in Portland. In addition, she even went so far as to try to convince Jack to kill Ben during surgery. Then later aided Jack, Kate and Sawyer's escape.
Given the above, I would say she is working toward her own agenda, which is to get off the island by any means possible. Therefore, is she betting on both sides of the coin at times? Perhaps, but given the above actions, even though some of the time she appears to be in collusion with Ben, I wouldn't qualify the Others as "her people".
Sorry, Zia :nanabobo: ;) , but that's the way I see it. Of course, I may be wrong. :D
Hollysasquatch
01-16-08, 06:14 PM
I know, I know, this is true. I just get incredibly annoyed with her constant smirks. If I were her, I would wholeheartedly tell the losties my story when questioned instead of constantly letting Jack defend me and then smirking as if I were hiding something, or better than everyone else. I gave her a chance, too. In the begining, I thought she was ok. Then, when she showed that she is two-faced, my hatred for her started.
I still haven't been able to get past the "she's under my protection" quote from Jack ! And the looks on Sayid's and Kate's faces ! I think they both have every reason to question her. Jack is becoming far too fond of making his own judgement and refusing to listen to anybody else's POV.
Back later, when I've got over my indignation and can concentrate again !
Jack, Juliet, Kate and Sayid arrive back at the beach and Sawyer is treated to a loving embrace from Kate - he looks quite euphoric until he sees Juliet - "What the hell is she doing here !" So this is Kate trying to make Jack jealous. Sawyer is so being taken for a fool !
Hurley's little chat to Juliet was priceless, as usual. Telling her he'd been sent to keep an eye on her. You have to give Juliet credit for keeping her cool though.
Good to see Sawyer and Sayid sticking together in their mistrust of Juliet. Jack continues to support her, says to give her time, she's afraid. The fact that he trusts her should be enough. Jack informs them that Locke has gone off with the Others after having blown up the sub which Ben had promised was going to take him home. I think you're making a very big hole for yourself here, Jack. But at least Kate is still faithfully sticking up for him after having a go at "James", who then asks Jack why he is going against every single one of "his people" to stick up for a stranger they know nothing about.
Just then Claire throws up blood and collapses, creating a diversion. Juliet asks Kate to help her help Claire so they approach Jack, while Sawyer and Sayid watch uneasily. She tells them there is a supply of medicine hidden near the caves and Jack "gives her permission" to go get it.
Sayid and Sawyer follow her and approach her - she says its OK Jack knows all about it. Sawyer is not impressed and looks inside. She then gives her little Moral Police speech and they go to jelly ! Honestly, the two so-called toughest guys in the camp and they act like pussies ! Still I suppose if she can fix Claire all well and good.
I actually loved the recent fb where Juliet is at Ben's house and he is giving her her last minute instructions, revealing that it is all a scam. Claire has been given something to make her sick at a specified time and Juliet will save the day. He says see you in a week, and leaves her a gas mask.
Jack has again taken the wrong path, put everyone at risk, and still these people keep doing what he tells them. Jack would have the worst judgement of anyone ever. Why, why, why can he never consult with anyone - They made him their leader, why can't he do them the courtesy of trusting their opinions too.
I have to give Juliett a little (very little) credit. She obviously wants off the island more than anything and will do whatever it takes to make that happen. The Others don't trust her anymore and she's never going to be trusted by the Losties.
Of course we all know I don't trust her-that's simply because she can't be trusted! I think she's in 'survival-mode' and only has her own self-preservation in mind at this point.
She knew the Losties had no way off the island and had to go along with Ben, even though unfortunately she can't trust him either. So, really she is completely alone.
Zia - I never thought the day would come ! But yes, its hard not to feel a sneaking sympathy for Juliet here. Until the end when you find out what a double crossing witch she is ! But I always sympathized with her about her sister, and how alone she must have felt when all she wanted was to see her and find out how she was.
ozchick
01-20-08, 11:41 PM
I think Juliet is absolutely playing both sides here. She is absolutely out for herself, and will do what it takes to get off! I think Ben was lying to her when he told her Rachel's cancer was back, medical records are easily faked.
Ozanna, I agree with you wholeheartedly about the "under my protection" line. I actually laughed out loud when Jack said it.
I knew we'd see the Flame again! Creepy that Mikail is already on getting the losties info. You do have to feel for Juliet when she sees her sister and hears the baby is named after her.
I also think this episode nicely sets up "Greatest Hits" with the Charlie, Claire, Aaron stuff.
And yet another beach reunion scene. Sawyer is SO relieved and happy to see Kate.
The last scene reminds be of the Keyser Soze reveal from Usual Suspects. :D
Sawyer nicknames:
3 men and a baby: Hurley, Charlie, and Aaron
Bug-eyed bastard: Ben
Ozanna, I agree with you wholeheartedly about the "under my protection" line. I actually laughed out loud when Jack said it.
Wasn't that one of the worst lines ever uttered on LOST? Ugh!!!
Hey Ladies, we did add that to the "Worst LOST moments' list, didn't we?
Cringe-worthy.
Wasn't that one of the worst lines ever uttered on LOST? Ugh!!!
Hey Ladies, we did add that to the "Worst LOST moments' list, didn't we?
Cringe-worthy.
YES - I've done it everywhere I find it appropriate ! It was just the most outstandingly horrible, ridiculous expression I have ever heard. I wish with every fibre of my being that Sawyer had been there to hear it ! :D:nanabobo::)
At least Kate and Sayid looked suitably disgusted and horrified !
I miss the dynamic duo of Kate and Sayid. Those scenes were always great.
Yes, that was a horrible line, laughable. But another good epi. Juliette had some funny lines, I will give her that. "I had the day off" LMAO. But, I continue to have problems with the Mikail scene - maybe this was resolved on the boards after it aired but I don't remember - how can there be scenes/news of flight 815 right after the crash? They don't even know yet - plane was off course. And, can someone remind me what the anagram was for the sign showing when Juliette drank the OJ?
CatnapAnd, can someone remind me what the anagram was for the sign showing when Juliette drank the OJ?
I think it was for Herarat Aviation which is an anagram for Earhart, (Amelia) the female aviator who was lost in the Pacific in the 1930s I think, around about the same time as Glenn Miller was popular - "Moonlight Serenade !" I knew there was something spooky about that in "The Long Con" in S2 when the
Glenn Miller Band suddenly turned up on the air waves ! I suppose Amelia Earhart will turn up on the island next ! Uh oh, now I'll have to go off and find someone who fits her prophile ........... At the time I was trying to fit Glen Miller in somewhere but he crashed in the Atlantic !
ozchick
01-21-08, 02:34 PM
But, I continue to have problems with the Mikail scene - maybe this was resolved on the boards after it aired but I don't remember - how can there be scenes/news of flight 815 right after the crash? They don't even know yet - plane was off course. And, can someone remind me what the anagram was for the sign showing when Juliette drank the OJ?
If I remember from the news reports Mikail was watching, there was a caption saying that the flight had disappeared. In the pilot the Pilot said:
PILOT: 6 hours in. Our radio went out, no one could see us. We turned back to land in Fiji, by the time we hit turbulence we were 1000 miles off course. They're looking for us in the wrong place.
So the airline knows the radio went out. Is 6 hours more than halfway from Sydney to LA? How long does it take to go 1000 miles off course? Maybe they knew the plane was missing because it never got to LA?
Thanks "oz"es! That makes sense. Well, in terms of the show that is LOST, I mean!
Open for business- These are two great episodes!
AChristianShephard
08-31-08, 07:29 PM
Brilliant Episode but i do have a couple of problems with it.
One is Jack will very well know that Sayid could swat him away like an annoying fly if he chose so his 'she's under my protection' line was rediulous.
The other is that this episode put the final nail in the coffin for me of Lost being shrouded in mystery and having that niave 'whats that in the shadows' feel.
I know it had to move on or become stale, doesnt mean i don't miss those times a lot though. :mad:
Dr.Alpert - 'Your gonna be amazed at how fast time flies there'
What a great character, maybe only him and Widmore retain any je ne sais qua for me. I can't see him being Bens lapdog outta choice, after all he had mentioned the futility of Bens baby research so i'd imagine the reason he was doing the recruiting was more to keep an eye on Ben for Jacob.
Funny how it's hard to see Ethan as anything but a complete bastard after his Season 1 shenanigans.
So it's kinda interesting to see how Jules is kept on the island but i have problems seeing her as a victim and still feel she has a hidden agenda, i know she's been trapped for the last 3 years, but that doesn't turn someone into a killer. Richard also mentioned that she must of known in advance that where she was going was very special. There's some serious stuff gonna come from Jules next season, believe.
I'm not going to mention the scene where she is in bed eating ice cream, oh no, i barely took a bit of notice of that scene, ahem. *adjusts coller*
Now we start the whole different linage / feel that led us to the end of Season 4.
Goodbye fond memories of teddy dragging others.
9/10
Its odd that this epi got so little comments ! Must have been Jack's "she's under my protection" comment !
In Jules' first fb we see her and Rachel driving to Mittelos to be greeted by Ethan (who seems to be quite likeable there !) Followed by Richard who apologizes to Rachel for taking away her sister for a few months, but assures Jules she will be back in time for the birth of her child. No wonder Jules is so upset when Ben refuses to let he leave. You have to feel a little sympathy for the woman. Even if she is up to no good !
Sayid is trying to question her until Jack tells him to leave her alone. Hooray for Sawyer finally questioning Jack about his motives. Maybe he is stinging from Kate's loving hug in an effort to make Jack jealous. We have Jack defending Juliet, Kate defending Jack. Jack obviously has no consideration for Kate's feelings when he insists that the fact that he trusts Juliet should be enough for everyone else to trust her too.
Sawyer: "Yeah Jack. I want to ask you why you're fighting every single one of us and sticking up for one of them." Why is it always Sawyer who sees things the way they really are and is not afraid to say it. Sawyer and Sayid do not trust Juliet and then she makes a fool out of them. Why is Jack such an idiot. And why does no-one stand up to him. Juliet has even double crossed him by making sure that Claire was given the medicine which would make her sick so that she (Juliet) could make her better.
ACS -sadly this was getting to the end of the 815ers on the beach days - a kind of loss of innocence, lack of trust, a lot of double crossing. And yet the ones that we should trust we can't trust and the ones that we shouldn't trust are the trustworthy ones - do the math ! I hate that expression but it seemed to fit !
What puzzled me was how Juliet was able to talk down Sayid and Sawyer.
I just can't see those two guys not questioning her because she
recited their offenses in life. That was not believable at all to me.
Richard's answer to Juliette's sister, in response her asking her to bring her back in one piece was to me the typical "other" answer. "We'll try" or something similar.
They never exactly lie (except Ben) but they don't totally answer the question.
In fact even Ben does that. I think they have learned to be vague because for
whatever reason, they don't want to actually lie.
I passed 5,000 posts and didn't even notice! :)
ozanna I am behind schedule. When I watch it I am sure I will have comments.
Annie Congrats. How does it feel to see Walt? ;)
ozanna I am behind schedule. When I watch it I am sure I will have comments.
Annie Congrats. How does it feel to see Walt? ;)
Yeah, congrats Annie, time flies doesn't it !
Look forward to your comments, Dew ! I liked this epi better this time. But like you Annie I could not figure out why Sawyer and Sayid allowed Jules to walk all over them. Even the fact that she knew everything about them, I guess that might have stunned them a bit, but not to the point of total submission.
Richard continues to intrigue. I'm interested to find out where he stands in the scheme of things.
AChristianShephard
09-02-08, 12:28 AM
I thought i'd find fault on the part where Jules shouts down Sayid & Sawyer but in actual fact i think it was done quite well, yeah the shock of her knowing their past, and the other hearing it, but Jules is quite forceful when she wants to be and theres nothing like an in control beautifull woman cutting into you to make any grown man suddenly feel like a little boy again.
I was impressed :outtahere:
At least they get another crack at it in "The Man Behind the Curtain" ACS, and again Jack is totally antagonistic, and Kate is still in protective mode over Jack !
I'm with ACS on this. It was the way Juliet called them out (moral police-ftw!) and her stance that made them back down. Plus, it was a complete set up to gain the Losties trust so she could further infiltrate their camp.
Another thing I forgot to mention was how much I LOVE the sweeping panoramic view of the Island when Juliet staggered out of the hatch. Fantastic stuff!
http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u34/zia29112/sub.jpg
In "Lost" the cinematography and the music are absolutely almost flawless.
Jules is very cunning - and thats an understatement ! Watch out Sawyer !
AChristianShephard
09-02-08, 04:18 PM
I was going to mention the Cinematography but wasn't too sure if anyone would of noticed.
It is pretty much flawless eh Ozzy (sorry for your new nickname) :)
I was stunned at the view from the Sub.
I also noticed the clever way the camera switches between teo coversationalists, using tricks like focus changing, panning actors stepping into view.
In fact i'm convinced that its what makes seemingly normal conversations much more impactfull.
The new nickname is fine ACS - I've been called heaps worse !
Filming in Hawaii must be a dream - you'd look pretty stupid if you stuffed it up !
:thankyous Ozanna and Dew! A friend of mine went to Hawaii and brought
me back pics of Lost views. The one that looks to me like the view above
the dock was the most stunning. It makes you wish you were there.
What a stroke of good fortune Annie. Are you able to share some of them? I went to Hawaii back in the 80's with a bunch of friends. I really want to go back there again sometime. I want to go where it is serene and breath taking. :pray1:
Juliet is a character I don't think I can warm up to. 2 guys vs. her and she gets the upper hand. C'mon Sayid and Sawyer? 2 Tough guys acting like children. No likey. :no: Juliet is very good at manipulation and we are supposed to believe she has no choice because Ben holds sway. This is tv. I must repeat to myself. This is tv.
Very nice pictures of the island. I want to go back to Hawaii. :sadwalk:
Dew, the pics are in this little blue thing you plug into the computer.
I will look into if I can send them. Lucky you, going to Hawaii. :)
No, I said I want to go back to Hawaii. No moolah. :weeping:
It's great you have been there Dew. I'm hoping maybe someday.
My husband says when Lost is over we should try to go. I don't think even
going to Hawaii would make up for no more Lost, well maybe a little :). I
always enjoy your posts.
Sorry for the t/j.
LOST Hiatus Rewatch:
Week 22
Weds., October 21st-October 27th, 2009
S3:E16: One Of Us
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World Walker
10-24-09, 03:37 AM
This is our second Juliet episode (the flashbacks are practically a Part II to Not in Portland) and our second episode title that begins with One of… – the first was One of Them which introduced us to Ben.
Jack’s answer to Kate’s inquiry about spending a week with the Others was so nonchalant that it put doubt in our minds whether or not he had been turned. Jack was telling the truth, though. He really was keeping his head down and doing what he was told because he wanted off that blasted Island. When the sub blew up and the Others left him behind, Jack was probably feeling pretty pissed. I bet he enjoyed giving Ben a knuckle sandwich at the end of the season. :nanabobo:
Juliet says to her sister that she’d never fit in with these people, referring specifically to Mittelos Bioscience. Ironically, this sentiment can also be applied to her upcoming experiences with the Others. She never seemed to be one of them – not completely – and she carries a brand on her back to remind her of the difference. This exclusion becomes greatly accentuated when she joins the Losties. Juliet never made that commitment Ben mentioned during The Man From Tallahassee; she simply wanted to see her sister again and get off the Island.
Awwww, poor Juliet. Unless we see an alternate reality in Season Six, she will never see her sister again thanks to the events at the end of Season Five. :sigh:
Juliet: “If I told you who I was, if I told you everything that I know, you’ll kill me.” – Why would Juliet say this to Sayid? What can she possibly know that would make him want to kill her? Better yet, if she did know a lot more than our Losties, why didn’t she share this information with them at some point during the three years she lived with them in Season Five? Either Juliet’s inflating her worth in fear Sayid will try to do away with her, or she really does know things. :ImLost:
Jack: “She’s under my protection.” – You know, I wonder if Jack ever has moments when he says something really stupid and thinks, That sounded a lot better in my head…cause, damn… :rolleyez:
Richard remarks how time flies once you arrive on the Island. Now that’s a nice big ol’ red flag of a statement if I’ve ever heard one!
Richard to Juliet: “You created life where life wasn’t supposed to be.” – There’s those words again. We hear them so often it almost seems to me that certain people have insights into how a previous iteration of time has gone (if time can be changed) and these people (John specifically comes to mind) become dismayed when the insight proves incorrect (something changes).
Juliet was given a sedative before arriving on the Island. We’ve seen personnel of Dharma also taking sedatives before leaving the Island. What is it about the sub ride that is so turbulent? Is it the supposed barrier around the Island? Is the sub really the way they brought Juliet to the Island? I still think the sub is an elaborate con (although I do believe Dharma used it primarily to get people on and off) and the highest ranking Others possess another way to come and go at will. Remember, 1954 Richard said the way off the Island was very privileged information (bet you anything it has to do with The Temple). There was no Dharma sub back then. :hmm:
What a beautiful view of the lagoon during the sub scene! By the way, I saw no sign of the Barracks around the docks. I don’t think the docks and the Barracks are right next to each other even though they’ve shown characters seemingly go back and forth between each site like it’s a quick jaunt. Very strange how TPTB have never really addressed this issue.
Jack’s return to the beach is our second reunion of the season. It has been over sixteen episodes since the last time Jack was at the beach. Sawyer’s open acknowledgement of Jack and their shameless man hug was a good moment. So was Kate and Sawyer’s long gaze (seemingly forgiving each other in a single moment) and ensuing embrace. Then Juliet spoiled the moment.
Ben claimed to Juliet that Jacob said he would cure Rachel’s cancer. We now know that’s a load of crock. Taking the knowledge that Ben never met Jacob, how do we now interpret this scene? Did Rachel’s cancer really come back or did Ben fake those medical files? If the cancer came back, how did they insure it would go away if Juliet filled her end of the bargain and stayed on the Island? How did they heal her? Or did they just know her cancer would go back into remission due to future knowledge? :boggled:
Now we know that pregnant women are doomed to die on the Island. As far as we know at this point in the show, only Rousseau and Claire successfully delivered their babies and they were both ready to pop by the time they reached the Island. These fertility issues explain the Others’ fixation on Claire in Season One and perhaps why the kids were taken from the tail section in Season Two.
This episode gives us some short, narrative flashbacks during Juliet’s explanation of Claire’s condition to Jack. This style has been used before (Locke describing what he saw in The Pearl to Desmond) and it will be used again (Ben filling Jack in on his last moments with Locke before turning the Donkey Wheel).
Seeing Goodwin and Juliet together makes me wonder if Juliet would’ve tried to seek revenge against Ana Lucia had she still been alive.
Elizabeth Mitchell’s and Michael Emerson’s acting was top notch during the scene where Juliet calls Ben out for the liar that he is. Her emotional breakdown is very convincing and I really felt for her. That scene must have been exhausting to shoot. :thumbs_up
Juliet knew about the man Sawyer shot before boarding Flight 815. He was never arrested for that crime. How could that possibly be in his file? The Others’ records seem far too detailed to be cobbled together from the outside world. How do they know so much? They even know that Locke’s dad is the same man who was indirectly responsible for both of Sawyer’s parent’s deaths.
We get to see the first scene of Season Three again and this time it’s extended beyond what we got to see originally. This method is used again during There’s No Place Like Home Part 2 to extend the flash-forward airport scene between Jack and Kate.
Ben: “Mikhail? It’s Ben. I’m here with Juliet. We’re approaching the house, don’t shoot us…” :rotfl:
Something I can’t quite put my finger on seems extremely fishy about the way Ben makes sure Juliet notices the date on the newspaper – it’s like he’s trying too hard to make her believe the video is live.
The implant :rolleyez: was a pretty cheesy idea, but you can’t get a win every time, even in a show like this.
Juliet seemed very sinister at the end of this episode due to the flashback reveal that it was Ben’s plan for her to be with the Losties. Fortunately for them, Ben seems to have gravely miscalculated Juliet’s willingness to continue working for him and will regret it by season’s end.
Not a bad episode at all (even with the cheesy implant). The flashback portions were also very good and stronger than those (in my opinion) seen in Not in Portland. :Cheers:
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