S4 EPISODE 2 THREAD 07-FEB-08 : Confirmed Dead

[Brian]

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This is the discussion thread for the next LOST episode, "Confirmed Dead"

Writers:
Drew Goddard & Brian K. Vaughan

Director:
Stephen Williams


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Enjoy the episode!

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Episode Description:

The survivors begin to question the intentions of their supposed rescuers when four strangers arrive on the island.



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[Thomas Hobbes]

Confirmed Dead! Uh, we might need a little more confirmation on that one.

[beerman]

2 minutes to go time...

[C_Lost]

and away we go..

[beccaboom]

so very excited.

[vanillafields3]

here we go,
hope it's a good one tonight

[Lockepushesmybuttons]

Yes! go time

[beccaboom]

oooh this ocean thing can't be good!

[nstinson]

sonar?

[beccaboom]

omgomgomgomg

[Lockepushesmybuttons]

the plane! the plane!

[LoonyLuna]

oh here we go! plane footage!

[nstinson]

oceanic!

[nstinson]

its the guy from the boat
why's he sad about it?

[Selestina118]

AHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!! XD Payment! YAY for the Christiane I!

:Cheers:

[nstinson]

there's the jump from the plane

[nstinson]

probably a pretty scare experience for him:D

[LoonyLuna]

whoa..lack of continuity much?

[beccaboom]

hm, flash forward or flash back? Why'd he pause before saying his name? hmm?

[nstinson]

Daniel Farraday?

[Lockepushesmybuttons]

sounds like he paused to make up a name

[snakey]

are you Jack? I'm Daniel Faraday and I can cry more than you.

[Frediemac]

FLIGHT 815???????

[C_Lost]

Christian 1!!! Thats not the same Sam. as in the ARG

[GimongousLostFan]

Isn't Sam the guy's name from find815? NOT the same guy....

[snakey]

So find815 came into play, yeah, finally a pay off for playing their stupid games.

[Thomas Hobbes]

Daniel Faraday is part of the group of people on the freighter looking for the island. He is played by Jeremy Davies.

[LostVoyeur]

farraday.........sherlock holmes reference ?

[Fletcher]

So was Daniel Faraday crying because he was Ana-Lucia's ex-boyfriend? The father of her unborn child was named Danny.

[pilot3033]

Congratulations LOST, you have succeeded in blowing what little mind I had left.

(and either a huge continuity error with the wreckage, or there is something else afoot....remember that we know from last seasons Naomi thought that they FOUND the plane).

Also...Sam? From the internet Sam?

(Edit: What is is with the theme from "Brazil?!" I keep hearing it! The Eli Stone commercials, WALL-E, and I just re-watched the actual film today...so odd.)

[Lockepushesmybuttons]

named after Michael Faraday, no doubt

[Selestina118]

I think that woman said "Dan" not "Sam".

[ScoobMaster]

hmm, a newcomer, they may have to eat him if things get rough

[GimongousLostFan]

he's wearing a tie??? Are you kidding me?

[ScrappleKing]

sounds like he paused to make up a name

it's Joey Joe Joe Junior Shabadoo

[missedflight815]

Faraday, huh? Check this out:

Michael Faraday, FRS (September 22, 1791 – August 25, 1867) was an English chemist and physicist (or natural philosopher, in the terminology of that time) who contributed to the fields of electromagnetism and electrochemistry.

Faraday studied the magnetic field around a conductor carrying a DC electric current, and established the basis for the magnetic field concept in physics. He discovered electromagnetic induction, diamagnetism and electrolysis. He established that magnetism could affect rays of light and that there was an underlying relationship between the two phenomena.[2][3] His inventions of electromagnetic rotary devices formed the foundation of electric motor technology, and it was largely due to his efforts that electricity became viable for use in technology.

[beccaboom]

stalling much?

[KingOnSlaught]

omg this show is just killing me

[nstinson]

what couldn't he say in front of jack and kate?

[indylocke]

So....

:D

[Thomas Hobbes]

During casting this character was named Russell. "Russell Faraday" is an alias used by the primary villain (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randall_Flagg) at the end of Stephen King's The Stand (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Stand).

[nstinson]

He keeps calling Sawyer, James:-p

and he knows Hugo knows about the cabin, now

[LoonyLuna]

Ahhhhhhhhh i love the look on bens face

[beccaboom]

is Locke gonna kill Hurley now 'cause he saw the cabin?!

[nstinson]

orders from Walt?

wack

[Lockepushesmybuttons]

I hope Sayid's spidey senses are tingling

[HR_Paperstacks]

So she believes they're coming to bring the wrath of God too huh?

[Lockepushesmybuttons]

the purge 2, electric boogaloo

[beccaboom]

too many "uhhhhs" and "ummms" BASTARD.

[nstinson]

hah, busted, Farraday

[HR_Paperstacks]

This guy is so boned. They're on to him.

[Thomas Hobbes]

Does this guy really suck this bad at lying? The reluctant scientist along for the para-military ride?

[indylocke]

"not our primary objective"

whoa...

[beccaboom]

the purge 2, electric boogaloo

def

[KingOnSlaught]

too many "uhhhhs" and "ummms" BASTARD.

lmao

[ScoobMaster]

Faraday's actor is hilarious, great work

[nstinson]

now everyone hate's Ben more

[HR_Paperstacks]

Locke don't play that mess from Sawyer.

[Thomas Hobbes]

My daddy stole my kidney? Praise Jesus! The bullet went right through!

[indylocke]

"anything else?"

MAN, this epi is kicking my butt. I love it.

[nstinson]

Myles?

[KingOnSlaught]

what a disaster this "rescue" is

[pilot3033]

oh hell...

[Lockepushesmybuttons]

aha, "tell my sister I love her" was a code

[nstinson]

Myles and Naomi... sittin' in a tree...

[nitkrawlr]

some many WTF moments. I think I missed something, when they showed Dan Farraday watching tv, where did they say he was?

[beccaboom]

supernatural intervention on Locke's lack of kidney? I think so.

Naomi's sister comment was DEF a signal to her people that they tried to kill her. Too bad she couldn't be more specific.

[Christian]

some many WTF moments. I think I missed something, when they showed Dan Farraday watching tv, where did they say he was?

Wasn't it Essex, Mass.?

[ScrappleKing]

some many WTF moments. I think I missed something, when they showed Dan Farraday watching tv, where did they say he was?

I believe it was in Massachusetts...

probably a Pats fan too...suckbag

[LoonyLuna]

i didnt wanna believe the sisterline was a code. it just doesnt make much sense that they would understand "i love my sister" to mean murder

[ScoobMaster]

They met miles and that tarp at the place Desmond killed that guy he was pushing the button with right? I can't remember that guy's name.

[indylocke]

Oh man, our favorite Losties are totally screwed again! It's a hard life on the island.

[sawyersgirl]

Love the devine missing kidney, love they know she's dead, love the "unconventional" flashback! LOVE LOST

[nitkrawlr]

Ok. I thought it was Essex, MA, but I didn't wanna say in case I was wrong. I live in the next town over!!!!!

[missedflight815]

Wasn't this guy in the looney bin with Uncle Junior on The Sopranos?

[nstinson]

was that guy from earlier epi's?

[Thomas Hobbes]

Inglewood. Inglewood It's All Good.

[nstinson]

Inglewood, California. thats where Myles is apparently.

Apparently all of these people know about the plane

[Lockepushesmybuttons]

Inglewood, tha hood

[indylocke]

They met miles and that tarp at the place Desmond killed that guy he was pushing the button with right? I can't remember that guy's name.



Kelvin

[C_Lost]

Locke looked suprised that Hurley knew about the cabin, so that proves it was not Locke's eye in the cabin

[nstinson]

200? for what?

[LoonyLuna]

did somebody call ghost busters?...

[ScoobMaster]

Kelvin

thanks

[Lockepushesmybuttons]

is he a Ghostbuster, or is that a dustbuster?

[Thomas Hobbes]

Ken Leung plays Miles Straume.

[nstinson]

ah, he talks to ghosts

[SpacedinLost]

is he a Ghostbuster, or is that a dustbuster?

Def a Ghostbuster Dustbuster

[HR_Paperstacks]

He's a Ghostbuster.

[beccaboom]

i didnt wanna believe the sisterline was a code. it just doesnt make much sense that they would understand "i love my sister" to mean murder


That's why it's the perfect code!!! duh.

[indylocke]

Are you freaking kidding me!?!?!

Holy snot!

[ScoobMaster]

tell me where it is?

[HR_Paperstacks]

Straight Cash Homey!

[nstinson]

FAKE!

[Thomas Hobbes]

Uh? Ghost who wants his money and drugs taken? Aw, so grandma won't find them. So nice. Here's $50.

[beccaboom]

duh nuh nuh nuh nuh nuh.... nuhnuhnuhnuhnuhnuh.... yah baby.

real ghosts too! he's not a con ghost hunter!!

[nstinson]

dirty rotten jerk

[nstinson]

she doesn't have a sister, lol

[Thomas Hobbes]

Carl!!! You rock.

[HR_Paperstacks]

That guy wins the award for Best 70s Porn Stache In A TV Drama.

[nstinson]

"If you're gonna sleep with my daughter, I insist you call me ben"

[indylocke]

Carl + Gun = Not A Good Idea

[beccaboom]

haha Jack would say "tell my sister I love her" but he doesn't know his sister is there! whoa! excellent line.

[missedflight815]

YODA! Great new nickname!

[HR_Paperstacks]

Now that's what you call a beat down!

[beccaboom]

Sawyer's a good guy.

[nstinson]

James killing Ben

[nstinson]

"His mouth put that hole in your gut?"

Sawyer strikes again:D

[indylocke]

Ohhh.... Sawyer got "the look" from Hurley. :)

[Lockepushesmybuttons]

Sawyer's a stone-cold killer now

[VI_Lostie]

ben's just the local punching bag now isn't he

[nstinson]

the light is messed up there? lol

[beccaboom]

oooh Sawyer & a daughter mention. Good way to get to him.

[nstinson]

Because, uhm uhhh, Miles would kill me?

[Thomas Hobbes]

Winkity wink!

[HR_Paperstacks]

So Miles is a total Ghostbuster now?

[nstinson]

lololol, that was awesome by Jack

[Lockepushesmybuttons]

ruh roh

[LoonyLuna]

bah these commercials suck my ass

[C_Lost]

Finally a plan goes right for Jack..and even a half way decent line

[HR_Paperstacks]

Jack just OWNED Miles and Daniel.

[Thomas Hobbes]

We pulled an "Other's"!!!! How stupid are you Miles. You stupid!!!! That rocked.

[TwinFalls]

Dan's tie is bugging me. Dude looks like he was sitting in a cubicle at work 5 minutes ago. Like he was "drafted" to come to the island last minute...

[missedflight815]

Yay for our team!!!!! Go Sayid and Juliette!

[disconnect]

They are like the original others now, hiding in the forest with guns surrounding the outsiders.

[pilot3033]

yes, miles...how stupid are you?:nanabobo:

[beccaboom]

lmao Jack FTW.

new name = Charlotte.

[nitkrawlr]

if it weren't for the commercials. I wouldn't have time to breath (or catch up on this board!)

[indylocke]

Losties got game!!!! :)

[nstinson]

Dan's tie is bugging me. Dude looks like he was sitting in a cubicle at work 5 minutes ago. Like he was "drafted" to come to the island last minute...

maybe he was?

[ScrappleKing]

Wasn't this guy in the looney bin with Uncle Junior on The Sopranos?

yeah, he was! in the episode where Junior was selling contraband at the poker game

[csx321]

That was great!

And, yeah, I noticed the out-of-place tie right away.

[gatorpower]

if it weren't for the commercials. I wouldn't have time to breath (or catch up on this board!)

I'm just glad there isn't that stupid George Michaels 'Faith' commercial with that one guy who is like Allie McBeal, only with a religious twist. I hate those commercials

[beccaboom]

They are like the original others now, hiding in the forest with guns surrounding the outsiders.

'Tis true - makes me slightly sympathetic to the others. But at the same time, the losties came on accident while the freighters came on purpose.

[VI_Lostie]

bout sick of these commercials...now I remember why I would hate until the dvd came out to finish watch the 3rd season....

[snakey]

Ken Leung-Ghostbuster.

[djsunyc]

the freighties are the new kids on the block and our losties, now on the island for some time, know how to take control of the situation so far. shows how the losties are slowly becoming the others.

[sawyersgirl]

oooh Sawyer & a daughter mention. Good way to get to him.
Don't forget Sawyer's parents died in front of him. Didn't turn out too well...

[C_Lost]

crap..halfway done

[nstinson]

more flashbacks

[VI_Lostie]

um so what's their (freighties) primary objective again...

[snakey]

I liked Locke saying it was Waaaaalllllltttt only taller. I miss him, sniff.

[indylocke]

Tunisia?!?!

Really? OMG - this show is unreal and amazing!

[missedflight815]

I CAN'T KEEP UP WITH THIS!!!!

[nstinson]

is that Charlotte?

[TheEndisinSight]

Where's the desert?? Didn't see the location.

[Thomas Hobbes]

This is the exact same scene from the James Bond movie with the chick from Desperate Housewives.

[beccaboom]

We're gonna need a screen cap on that paper for the date.

Think this is Charlotte?

[ScoobMaster]

I wish I knew who the heck these ladies are

[nstinson]

polar bear.. hmmm

it IS Charlotte

[HR_Paperstacks]

A polar bear in the desert?

[Thomas Hobbes]

Medenine Tunisia

[disconnect]

Did I switch the channel to raiders of the lost arc by accident? Ooo..its a polar bear.

[VI_Lostie]

ahh charlotte's flashback before we meet her

[indylocke]

My Mind = Blown.

[HR_Paperstacks]

The Hydra?

[beccaboom]

WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON

[pilot3033]

More DHARMA? More Polar Bears?
We might get a season1 question answered?!

[C_Lost]

Was that past or future?

[Thomas Hobbes]

Reach for your lightsaber!

[nstinson]

oooooooooo Charlotte found by Locke

TORTURE HER LOCKE:-p

[disconnect]

Cant they invent a parachute that doesnt aways get stuck in a tree.

[beccaboom]

lmao "hi yourself"

explosive reunion coming soon!

[indylocke]

Okay, Charlotte didn't get the memo about checking water depth and for objects in the water before diving...

She is clearly a rebel.

[VI_Lostie]

dang they bout to all collide

[nstinson]

kill him, sayid!

[Thomas Hobbes]

Sayid wants to torture again. Thought I'd never see the day.

[TwinFalls]

Yeah...that's what is bugging me. (bugging meaning "curious about"). I'm wondering whose emergency calling list he was on.

[beccaboom]

Hugo:Losties:: Dan:Freighters

[LoonyLuna]

man i hope locke shoots this new girl. shes overly irritating

[nstinson]

lol @ Charlotte's face

[VI_Lostie]

damn damn damn

[nstinson]

I wonder what they did with the transponder of Charlotte's

[SpacedinLost]

oooooooooo Charlotte found by Locke

TORTURE HER LOCKE:-p


yeah.. she's definitely not a Good Charlotte....

[beccaboom]

Ben eying the gun was CREEPY.

[HR_Paperstacks]

Why does Jack always run into danger?

[nstinson]

muahaha, Vincent

[SpacedinLost]

Oh, man.. VINCENT. lol Good dog!

[beccaboom]

yeah.. she's definitely not a Good Charlotte....

lmao nice.

[nitkrawlr]

Best Vincent entrance EVER!!!!!!

[ScoobMaster]

Locke likes blondes, like claire, so we'll see what happens

[VI_Lostie]

hint hint Jack...Vincent duz it again

[WayneInNYC]

And the STRANGE just keeps on coming. I'm now officially LOST. I have NO CLUE as to WTF is happening.

[SpacedinLost]

lmao nice.


:thankyous

[djsunyc]

vincent shows up...and we see the red flowers again. what's the connection?

vincent = the guard dog = smokey smoke...

[C_Lost]

Charolette sounds like Tracey R. from find815.com

[lostboy]

It's so obvious the island is in another dimension.

[indylocke]

Let's be honest here...

Weird Island
Amazing Characters
Scientists, Researchers and Archeologists, etc.
Polar Bears in Tunisia
Massive Cover Up

This is by far the best show that has ever been made. 45 minutes have blown by and I still don't know what just hit me..

[KingOnSlaught]

Best Vincent entrance EVER!!!!!!

lmao i agree

[Brian]

vincent shows up...and we see the red flowers again. what's the connection?

You saw that too, huh? :)

I've been watching those things (red flowers) since S1. They're a clue. A clue of what, I have no idea.

[LoonyLuna]

bahh brian don't tease me :nanabobo:

[VI_Lostie]

maybe the flowers are indigenous to the island telling us where they are "shrugs" seen them but haven't really paid them any mind

[VI_Lostie]

freightie #4 anyone?

[nstinson]

bodies under water?

[Thomas Hobbes]

Those 'plane flipping upside down' photos from pulled from the preview were from that toy plane in the fish tank, not the real plane.

[ScoobMaster]

no way would they show that body on TV

[beccaboom]

I can't believe the epi's almost over already. I don't even have any theories to contribute; I'm just waiting to see what everyone else thinks. LOL.

What does hippie man see on his TV?

[nstinson]

is that Dan?

[sawyersgirl]

No wedding ring!!!! On the piolot

[VI_Lostie]

awww helll nahhhhh

[nstinson]

not the pilot, eh?

he was supposed to be the pilot. heh

[pilot3033]

oh hell...again

[Lockepushesmybuttons]

so these guys are working for Oceanic?

[HR_Paperstacks]

Who is that bearded mystery man and why doesn't he work for Oceanic anymore?

[indylocke]

Oh Snap! Pet store guy and ex-pilot guy is in da forest now.

[nstinson]

A COW NOW?

wtf?

[SpacedinLost]

How now, brown cow?

[beccaboom]

haha "moo" = "what up freighter hippie man"

[C_Lost]

This ep is going to take 2-3 rewatches for me to have even the smallest clue of whats going on

[Brian]

Jeff Fahey. It's been awhile since I've seen him.

[disconnect]

Hope he bought the 5$ extra per month insurance on that fancy phone.

[disconnect]

Haha Ben is awesome.

[nstinson]

HAHAHA GO BEN GO!

[LoonyLuna]

dammit ben can't you do anything right

[VI_Lostie]

YEEESSSSS I KNEW BEN WAS GOIN TO SHOOT HER

Cmon now she got on a life vest.....sussspppeeccctttt

[nstinson]

aw, she had a vest:(

[SpacedinLost]

Dead Charlotte. Ah... Bulletproof Charlotte. Somebody better start keeping an eye on Ben, eh?

[nstinson]

"Where's the Chopper?"

"I Saw a Cow" :)

[disconnect]

Nice landing.

[TwinFalls]

"taller ghost walt!" :lol:

[beccaboom]

"sure, who are we to argue with taller ghost Walt?"

BEST LINE.

Now Ben's gotta die.

I thought the bullet might have went through the girl and hit Karl the way he was looking. Phew.

Myles - "Where's the chopper?"
Guy - "I saw a cow." HAHA


ooooh helicopter that works = rescue...

[Lockepushesmybuttons]

better get out before Locke blows it up

[VI_Lostie]

Alright Locke time for you to blow something up again....

[Dude Im Lost]

thank god for that vest....i dont think i could handle a jesus locke

[missedflight815]

A helicopter! Hide the dynamite from Locke!!!!!

[sawyersgirl]

Ohhhh, the look in their eyes when they saw that helicopter.
TROUBLE'S COMIN!!!

[SpacedinLost]

??? Oceanic Six= Jack, Sayid, Kate, Juliette, Hurley, and ??

[ScoobMaster]

so that's why there's only six, that's all the more room they had in the chopper

[GreenDayStoleMyGirlFrieND]

love the smiles on thier faces....


get to da chopah!

[KingOnSlaught]

wow just amazing this show ... its nuts

[sawyersgirl]

better get out before Locke blows it up

The cow?

[pilot3033]

This season is going to kick so much ass, it's not even funny.

I'm really interested in this 'two planes' thing, and...polar bears :D

[disconnect]

How many people do you think could fit on that helicopter, maybe 6? Sawyer would never get on it with hurley though. Its like when your on an elevator and that fat guy walks and you and you look up towards the max weight limit sign.

[LoonyLuna]

??? Oceanic Six= Jack, Sayid, Kate, Juliette, Hurley, and ??

Wheres Dessie...? Brutha better get his butt to that chopper before locke pwns it.

[VI_Lostie]

I think that maybe too easy....and Hurley is still with Locke....besides something has to go down for Big H to switch sides and say he's sorry for not choosin Jack to begin wit

[suprememilo]

why don't they find out why these people are here!!!! And why doesn't Ben just say WTF is going on?!

[Lockepushesmybuttons]

The cow?

He might blow up the cow and the helicopter!

[SpacedinLost]

"I saw a cow."

flashback: "I shot a polar bear!"

[sawyersgirl]

How many people do you think could fit on that helicopter, maybe 6? Sawyer would never get on it with hurley though. Its like when your on an elevator and that fat guy walks and you and you look up towards the max weight limit sign.
hehehehehhe

[nitkrawlr]

Dharma? Namaste'? Sacred Cow? I'm seeing a theme here!!!! LOL

[nstinson]

dangit Ben

[GreenDayStoleMyGirlFrieND]

48 plus people

6 seats.

1 choppah.




This is the part where Hell begins to break loose.

[sawyersgirl]

I am realllllyyyy sick of the frickin Eli Stone commercial. I do NOT have to have faith, George Michael. I don't care what you say or how many times you sing it.

[nstinson]

Dharma? Namaste'? Sacred Cow? I'm seeing a theme here!!!! LOL

orly?

[VI_Lostie]

I'm goin to need Sayid to torture one of these freight people man...I need answers

hmmm Naomi's voice

[Lockepushesmybuttons]

scary man

[nstinson]

A mission?

ITS THAT BLACK GUY

[LoonyLuna]

ewww scary alien guy

[ScrappleKing]

oh, Deputy Ops Daniels is back

[HR_Paperstacks]

Naomi and Oceanic man?