View Full Version : Has she worked for "the bad guys" all along?
Susan B Anthony
02-12-08, 02:12 PM
Charlotte seemed unsurprised by finding the Dharma collar on the polar bear bones. So was she recruited onto Naomi's team because of discoveries like this, or has she been working for these people all along? She certainly seemed well financed, able to hand over a wad of cash just to get a look at the bones.
I don't think we have any evidence on this issue so far, but it is interesting that she is the only one of the four freighties that seemed to have a connection with Dharma before coming to the island. Although we don't know what Daniel's occupation was, other than crying over the news.
RangerMel
02-13-08, 02:59 AM
I think there's definitely more to her than the rest of the "team." :mad:
Maestra
02-13-08, 04:57 AM
We have a lot to learn about Charlotte. I can't wait for more flashbacks.
JLCommish
02-13-08, 08:47 PM
So i guess what you're asking is is Ben's "man" on the boat, actually a woman? Certainly could be, let's wait and see...
I think it would be an interesting twist to find out that Charlotte is working for Ben. Of course, that doesn't explain him shooting her in the chest, twice. Then again..maybe it does. During the helicopter scene, wasn't she frantically looking for her bulletproof vest? Maybe she was worried because she'd know she'd need it. I mean, why would they show just Charlotte looking for it. They could have written those lines for anyone.
Hmm..I may have to come back to this one. :)
JLCommish
02-13-08, 09:47 PM
I think it would be an interesting twist to find out that Charlotte is working for Ben. Of course, that doesn't explain him shooting her in the chest, twice. Then again..maybe it does. During the helicopter scene, wasn't she frantically looking for her bulletproof vest? Maybe she was worried because she'd know she'd need it. I mean, why would they show just Charlotte looking for it. They could have written those lines for anyone.
Hmm..I may have to come back to this one. :)
I've been thinking if Ben was shooting to kill why not just plant a bullet in her head? He was certainly at close enough range to do so. Hitting her in the chest when he knows she'll have a vest on does ensure she won't get killed. Not sure what his motives would be to do such a thing other than to seed some more chaos, which of course is his M.O. Guess we'll have to wait and see how it all plays out.
Well, it would certainly throw anyone off of any thoughts they may have that she's with him. Ben being Ben, I don't think he did it necessarily for the group who saw it, but for possible use later. Also, I haven't watched the scene again, but did she spend any time staring at Ben when they were all sitting on the shore beside the lake? If she was just part of the team, surely she'd recognize him and I'd think she'd be fixated on where he is at all times.
Double posting here...apologies. Allow me to ramble for a moment....
I have come to the conclusion that of all the freighties, I don't trust Charlotte at all. I think she has an ulterior motive for being on the island and I don't believe she's looking for Ben.
When we first meet her, she's skeptical about the crash/discovery of Flight 815. When she was reading the newspaper in Tunisia and the translator asks her how many languages she'll have to read it in before she believes it, her only response is a snarky, "How many languages are there?".
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v698/Leuthen2/Screencaps/Charlotte003.jpg
After this she bribes the site supervisor to gain access to the bones. This in itself isn't a sign of her motives as much as the fact that coupled with the fact that she knew exactly where she was going and what she was looking for shows me that she has a connection to DHARMA in some way.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v698/Leuthen2/Screencaps/Charlotte005.jpg
She knew the bones were polar bear bones and if anthropologists study human societies, how would she readily know what type of bones they were? I think it's because she knew about the experiments on the Island, in particular the polar bear experiments. She wasn't even surprised that polar bear remains were found in Tunisia which is certainly nowhere near their native habitat.
Also, to go back to an earlier point for a moment, for an anthropologist she has very little regard for the man supervising the dig when she shows up. She shoves some money into his chest and keeps on walking as though he was insignificant to her and little more than a nuisance. I also heard or read somewhere that her attire in that scene would be considered disrespectful as women shouldn't be running around in shorts, etc, in Tunisia. I'm no anthropologist, but I would think that a foreigner in a country and situation like that would be a little more respectful of local customs. It seems as though the only thing that kept that guy alive was the fact that he stayed out of her way.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v698/Leuthen2/Screencaps/Charlotte001.jpg
Let's move forward to when we first see her in the current Island story. She's on a helicopter in rough weather and the only thing she has to say is query about her bulletproof vest. Even if she was going onto the Island with a modicum of forethought of the survivors of Flight 815, why would she need a vest? What would lead her to think that anyone on that Island would want to do her harm? Well, if she has a connection to DHARMA in anyway, as I believe she does, then she possibly knows about the purge. That would also explain the masks and bio gear that Jack and Kate questioned Daniel about to which he responded that he wasn't in charge of packing. Hmm...perhaps Charlotte was.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v698/Leuthen2/Screencaps/Charlotte002.jpg
Curious that she manages to get Miles' vest during that verbal exchange as well. Now we know that she has not only one, but possibly two vests and Miles has none. Probably nothing, but I found it interesting.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v698/Leuthen2/Screencaps/Charlotte006.jpg
Once she's found by Team Locke, surely she has to see Ben with them, yet she doesn't even look at him much less question who he is. One guy tied up and looking as though he'd been beaten senseless, which he had, and she's not even remotely curious as to why? Maybe she knows who he is, maybe not.
In her exchange with Hurley when she asks how many are alive, he's rightfully cautious in asking, "Why do you want to know?". Remember, his best friend on the Island just died a couple of days earlier to send a final message that these people aren't who they say they are. So she responds to Hurley's question with yet another question, almost being indignant with, "Why wouldn't I want to know?".
After all of this she starts questioning about Claire about Aaron. I'm sure she knows Aaron was born on the island and in that group of people, I'm not sure I'd be questioning Claire about where her baby was born. Priorities I guess, but I don't think that's where I would go...unless I had an ulterior motive.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v698/Leuthen2/Screencaps/Charlotte006.jpg
At this point, Charlotte seems to try and take control of the group. She points out the transponder and says that they should just sit tight until her team arrives. Unfortunately for her she crossed paths with a group of people who don't wish to be found.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v698/Leuthen2/Screencaps/Charlotte007.jpg
During the move toward the barracks, I think it was after she saw Frank's flare, she again tries to assert her "authority" by telling Locke that she was leaving and there was no way he was going to stop her. This scene reminded me of the scene with the supervisor in Tunisia.
That said, I think we all know how that little attempted assertion of authority turned out for Charlotte as Ben took control of the situation.
This is where studying the actor's facial expressions conveys more than the words they actually say. When Ben starts rattling off all of the info he knows about Charlotte's team and saying that they are a threat, she doesn't have a look of indignation or outrage on her face, rather almost one of resignation. A look as though her cover were blown.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v698/Leuthen2/Screencaps/Charlotte008.jpg
She also has what seems to be an out of place look on her face after Ben tells Team Locke that they're there for him.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v698/Leuthen2/Screencaps/Charlotte009.jpg
It's almost as though she just realized that her job just got a lot more difficult. I find it interesting that it took Ben shooting her in the chest before she shows any type of physical or mental response to him considering he is allegedly what the team is there for. Perhaps she was just trying to play it cool by not inquiring about him but I think that lack of response of any kind just drew attention to herself.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v698/Leuthen2/Screencaps/Charlotte010.jpg
Finally, once she's back with Frank and Team Jack, she simply states that she has no intention of leaving as "I've got work to do." Work? Really? Curious that no one present from Team Jack questions her about this. Perhaps it's just understood that her "work" is in relation to rescuing the 815ers. Then again, Dan had already told Jack and Kate that rescuing them wasn't their primary objective.
I don't trust Charlotte at all. I think Ben was absolutely correct in trying to keep these people off the island and Charlie died to try and keep it from happening. I think that speaks volumes about just how bad these people are and I think Charlotte is possibly the worst of the group.
Time will tell I suppose, and perhaps I'm one of those who reads too much into things, but Charlotte would be the next one I'd tie to a chair in the boathouse until she starts talking and I damn sure wouldn't take my eyes off of her.
Oh, and yes, I realize that the 815ers don't know as much of her backstory as we the viewers do, but I'm writing this mainly from the standpoint of the television viewer, not plane crash survivor. :)
I have come to the conclusion that of all the freighties, I don't trust Charlotte at all. I think she has an ulterior motive for being on the island and I don't believe she's looking for Ben..
Of course I don't trust her either. She's arrogant, too smart, and a great liar.
I thought she asked too many questions, but not the obvious ones for someone who just parachuted on to an Island and was found by a group of people that were declared dead and by all public accounts their bodies were all on the plane.
I don't recall her asking Ben why he decided to try to assasinate her either. She just assumed Ben knew who she was and what she was doing there.
Brian, There are two kinds of Anthropology studies. One is Cultural Anthropology which studies the beliefs, values, etc. of a society and conducted mainly in the field, preferably within the society itself.
Physical Anthropology involves the physical evolution of a society which include skeletal remains and fossils although mostly conducted in a lab. setting, can also be studied in the field at a 'dig' site.
Whatever her mission is supposed to be, I believe Charlotte has her own agenda.
Brian, There are two kinds of Anthropology studies. One is Cultural Anthropology which studies the beliefs, values, etc. of a society and conducted mainly in the field, preferably within the society itself.
Physical Anthropology involves the physical evolution of a society which include skeletal remains and fossils although mostly conducted in a lab. setting, can also be studied in the field at a 'dig' site.
Ah, thank you for the clarification. Something told me that there had to be a reason for an anthropologist to be looking around at a site like that, but I didn't take a few moments to go researching it. :)
Whatever her mission is supposed to be, I believe Charlotte has her own agenda.
I agree. Actually, I'd go so far as to say that now that Naomi is gone, they'll all have their own agendas. She may have been the only thing keeping them all focused.
Agreed. I trust Charlotte about as much as I trust Juliet. ;)
I agree with Brian and Zia - out of the 4 new arrivals, I think Charlotte may be the baddest. It seems as though Miles is exactly what his character has shown in his FB and his "Who wants to be a millionaire?" minute with Ben - i.e. a greedy little weasel. Sure, a bad trait - but not necessarily "evil". Then from what we have seen of Dan, basically your run of the mill "absent minded professor", an unwillingness for Miles to hurt Jack or Kate (when Miles got the drop on Jack) - Frank is a little harder to judge so far, but I am thinking he's not really a bad guy (but hey, he is the Lawn Mower Man! :D) - Charlotte, on the other hand, just seems a little more devious - she seems to know about the Island's effect on pregnant women, was thrilled to find the DHARMA collar on the polar bear (sure looked like she already knew about DHARMA), and tried to get the "Locke-ies" to wait for (capture?) her team to locate her beacon - oh yeah, did you guys notice the symbolism in her falling into the lake after parachuting onto the Island, only to surface giddy as a school girl? Very "Baptism" - she achieved rebirth by making it to the Island?
I posted in "The Team:" thread that I believe these 4 are an allusion to the 4 Horsemen of Revelation - they are "The Beginning of the End" of life on the Island - - - as Ben has pointed out. Even if they themselves are unaware of the destruction they will bring.
However, if any of the four are aware of their roles in "Island Armaggedon", I believe it's Charlotte.
...oh yeah, did you guys notice the symbolism in her falling into the lake after parachuting onto the Island, only to surface giddy as a school girl? Very "Baptism" - she achieved rebirth by making it to the Island?
I did notice that and it was the one standout of the 4 who reached the island. Dan was confronted by Kate and Jack almost immediately and we didn't see what happened to Miles but it appeared as though he hit rather hard, ditto Frank. She was the only one who looked truly happy upon arrival and that spans the entire series.
I thought she was a little too willing to go along with Team Locke in the first place. I mean, he just told her that they didn't want to be found, somehow got the beacon away from her and tied it to Vincent, and began the journey to, in her eyes, God knows where and she never put up any resistance, at least none that we saw until just before Ben shot her. On top of being shot and kidnapped, once she had the opportunity to leave she turned it down. I'd have been on the first flight off that rock if I were her. She comes with the pretense of rescuing them and they kidnap and try to kill her, I'd at least think she'd go for some back-up.
Like Rousseau, I think something's up there because her actions just don't make a lot of sense.
I'd like to know what Charlotte and Sayid chatted about on the way back from the negotiation.
That had to have been quite an interesting conversation. Thoughts?
Probably comparing torturing techniques. She may need some pointers in the future.
ETA - If you really want to throw my crazy conspiracy theories into one, here, then I think they were probably discussing how to best protect Ben since they're both working for him. ;)
RangerMel
02-25-08, 07:31 AM
Curious that she manages to get Miles' vest during that verbal exchange as well. Now we know that she has not only one, but possibly two vests and Miles has none. Probably nothing, but I found it interesting.
She needs two vests because she is an incredible biatch. :mad3:
tellthemmrekoletyoulive
02-26-08, 03:08 AM
I think it would be an interesting twist to find out that Charlotte is working for Ben. Of course, that doesn't explain him shooting her in the chest, twice. Then again..maybe it does. During the helicopter scene, wasn't she frantically looking for her bulletproof vest? Maybe she was worried because she'd know she'd need it. I mean, why would they show just Charlotte looking for it. They could have written those lines for anyone.
Hmm..I may have to come back to this one. :)
You did. She was the most focused on matters at hand, not merely getting out of that helicopter in once piece. As we found out, she's very resourceful (getting herself out of that tree).
I've been thinking if Ben was shooting to kill why not just plant a bullet in her head? He was certainly at close enough range to do so. Hitting her in the chest when he knows she'll have a vest on does ensure she won't get killed. Not sure what his motives would be to do such a thing other than to seed some more chaos, which of course is his M.O. Guess we'll have to wait and see how it all plays out.
The motives would be to send a signal to the rest of the group. Don't trust her!
Well, it would certainly throw anyone off of any thoughts they may have that she's with him. Ben being Ben, I don't think he did it necessarily for the group who saw it, but for possible use later. Also, I haven't watched the scene again, but did she spend any time staring at Ben when they were all sitting on the shore beside the lake? If she was just part of the team, surely she'd recognize him and I'd think she'd be fixated on where he is at all times.
What later use?
And, I seem to recall her sitting contemplatively, not concentrating on Ben.
Probably comparing torturing techniques. She may need some pointers in the future.
ETA - If you really want to throw my crazy conspiracy theories into one, here, then I think they were probably discussing how to best protect Ben since they're both working for him. ;)
Bingo! I'm on board with this one....for now.
Remember the look on Sayid's face as the helicopter was leaving the island. Was it resignation, an acceptance of the deal he had made? Actually his entire demeanor after returning to Jack's group was suspect.
tellthemmrekoletyoulive
02-26-08, 03:12 AM
Sorry, double post here.
Brian, post #8 was absolutely brilliant. Charlotte's expressions are a dead giveaway of what she's thinking. That's also some good acting, btw.
And, as for Rousseau, her story has been a long time coming. I know she interacted with Mikhail at the Flame.
What later use?
And, I seem to recall her sitting contemplatively, not concentrating on Ben.
By that I meant that he could possibly use it later to deflect any questions or concerns about any interactions or time he may spend with Charlotte. "Hey, I don't have anything to do with her, I tried to shoot her if you recall" and conversely from her, "I'm not working with Ben! If I were, why would he try to kill me?".
No way that someone who appears to have their stuff together (remember the scene in Tunisia) suddenly forgets about a bulletproof vest at the last minute. I mean, how long does it take a boat to get to the middle of the ocean? She had plenty of time to plan things out.
Here's a thought for ya. What if she had her vest all along and staged that scene on the helicopter to get Miles' vest so she'd have it later for Ben? Once all hell breaks loose on that Island, and I think it will, she'll earn boss points for having a vest for him. Hmmm. ;)
ETA - I just realized that I used the same pic twice up there in Post #8. Not sure why I did that.
By that I meant that he could possibly use it later to deflect any questions or concerns about any interactions or time he may spend with Charlotte. "Hey, I don't have anything to do with her, I tried to shoot her if you recall" and conversely from her, "I'm not working with Ben! If I were, why would he try to kill me?".
Good call, Brian.
I can actually see that exact scenario realistically playing out. It would be typical for Ben to claim to have a "man" on their boat only for the person to end up being a woman. He has every little detail so well planned out in advance.
Here's a thought for ya. What if she had her vest all along and staged that scene on the helicopter to get Miles' vest so she'd have it later for Ben? Once all hell breaks loose on that Island, and I think it will, she'll earn boss points for having a vest for him. Hmmm. ;)
I'd say she feels the same way about Miles that we do. ;)
Great posts-BTW!
tellthemmrekoletyoulive
02-26-08, 04:15 AM
By that I meant that he could possibly use it later to deflect any questions or concerns about any interactions or time he may spend with Charlotte. "Hey, I don't have anything to do with her, I tried to shoot her if you recall" and conversely from her, "I'm not working with Ben! If I were, why would he try to kill me?".
No way that someone who appears to have their stuff together (remember the scene in Tunisia) suddenly forgets about a bulletproof vest at the last minute. I mean, how long does it take a boat to get to the middle of the ocean? She had plenty of time to plan things out.
Here's a thought for ya. What if she had her vest all along and staged that scene on the helicopter to get Miles' vest so she'd have it later for Ben? Once all hell breaks loose on that Island, and I think it will, she'll earn boss points for having a vest for him. Hmmm. ;)
ETA - I just realized that I used the same pic twice up there in Post #8. Not sure why I did that.
That's why I say he shot her for the benefit of the group.
As for those Tunisia scenes, you're absolutely right on that that was totally improper behavior to have at an archeological dig. She was getting what she wanted no matter what.
All hell will break loose. But, are Charlotte, Miles, Frank and Daniel each on their own personal mission? Or are they dupes(excluding Charlotte) with some other connection to the crash and/or island?
Yes, I think they are all on different missions. There is so much difference to their stories, even the ones that are together. Daniel and Miles are with Jack and Miles tells him that they're there to find Ben, yet Daniel doesn't really question anyone about him rather, he's timing rockets from offshore? OK, he's a bit off, but that's cool because I like Daniel.
The one member of the group that I'm unsure of is Frank. I don't know what his role in all of this is other than finding out the truth about his friend, the pilot. Flight 815 is his connection to all of this and I'd be curious to know why he wasn't piloting the plane that day.
One other thing that Charlotte mentions, and it's probably just semantics, but when she's questioned about how many people are on her team she says "Four, including myself" or something similar. However, in another scene where she's talking about "the team" she mentions Daniel, Miles, and "a pilot" or "the pilot" almost as though she's not counting Frank as a member of "the team"; he's just the pilot. Again, possibly just semantics but the wording on this show has proven valuable and the perfect example is Charlie's "I don't swim". I think each word is chosen meticulously and for good reason.
The more I think about Charlotte, the less I trust her. She makes Juliet look like a saint in comparison.
ETA - One other thing, if Ben really wanted Charlotte dead, he wouldn't have shot her in the chest. If he knows as much as he says he does about the freighties, he knows they'll have bulletproof vests, gas masks, bio gear, etc.
tellthemmrekoletyoulive
02-26-08, 04:40 AM
Also, we had Naomi, with a picture of Desmond. Naomi was the one leading this mission. Apparently, Naomi was working for the "money", and was told she had to take along the four freighties, even though she felt they weren't up to it. (Turns out she was wrong. Frank is a damn good pilot, and well.....Charlotte is Charlotte.) Naomi was obviously kept in the dark about some things.
But back to Charlotte:
Charlotte is very suspicious. She's the one I'm going to love to hate.
The one member of the group that I'm unsure of is Frank. I don't know what his role in all of this is other than finding out the truth about his friend, the pilot. Flight 815 is his connection to all of this and I'd be curious to know why he wasn't piloting the plane that day.
Me too. I wanna think Frank will be a "good guy", but I'm just not sure of his angle yet...
And yeah, we better get a Frank FB that shows why he was pulled as the original pilot...could an encounter with Smokey be in Frank's future? (i.e. - mirror the other pilot of 815) -
Like everyone else in this thread, I am definitely thinking Charlotte is the baddest apple of the four. Seems like she'd make a good "apprentice" for Ben - I think chances are very high that she is Ben's mole.
Slightly OT, but does anyone have a blown-up shot of the award Charlotte is holding in the picture of her that Abbadon and Naomi are discussing? I'd like to know what the award is for.
:Cheers:
Slightly OT, but does anyone have a blown-up shot of the award Charlotte is holding in the picture of her that Abbadon and Naomi are discussing? I'd like to know what the award is for.
Here's one pic but I'll try to get a larger one this evening.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v698/Leuthen2/Screencaps/CharlotteLewisFile.jpg
Here's one pic but I'll try to get a larger one this evening.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v698/Leuthen2/Screencaps/CharlotteLewisFile.jpg
Thanks, Brian!
Still not possible to read what is inscribed - probably nothing important; just fishing - but still, you never know...
I guess as long as it doesn't say "MainStays", or have the Wal-mart price tag showing, it'll be a worthwhile read! :D
I doubt it'll do any good, but here's a bigger picture. I went through that scene frame-by-frame to no avail, there simply aren't any frames where the writing on the award is legible. Maybe someone will recognize it, or the picture on it, though.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v698/Leuthen2/Screencaps/S4E2CharlotteAward.jpg
Thanks for tryin', Brian!
I guess we can take it at face value then: just a prop to illustrate her credentials as an anthropologist.
Must not be any sort of clue or we'd probably be able to read what it says.
Wouldn't it be a kick if it was an award sponsored by Widmore?
Damn! That was a great idea, aKa.
What does everyone think the picture looks like?
Doesn't it kind of look like a fleur-de-lis?
http://www.google.com/images?q=tbn:XaOSzmNovxgJ:img.alibaba.com/photo/11640176/Fleur_De_Lis_Sterling_Silver_Stud_Earrings.jpg (http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://img.alibaba.com/photo/11640176/Fleur_De_Lis_Sterling_Silver_Stud_Earrings.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.alibaba.com/catalog/11640176/Fleur_De_Lis_Sterling_Silver_Stud_Earrings.html&h=113&w=120&sz=8&tbnid=XaOSzmNovxgJ:&tbnh=113&tbnw=120&sa=X&oi=image_result&resnum=1&ct=image&cd=2)
It almost looked like a bird to me. :) I tried to do a Google Image Search for anthropology awards but didn't come up with anything. I also did a search for literary awards trying to find a link back to CS Lewis, but nothing. For the heck of it, I went and looked around the CS Lewis Society - Oxford site and still nothing. Maybe it's her graduation award from Sneaky Scientists U. ;)
It does look like some kind of an animal...a little. I searched too (lol) and didn't find anything, so now I'd really like to know. :)
tellthemmrekoletyoulive
02-28-08, 04:23 AM
It does look kind of like a bird. But I think it could be anything. Maybe there'll be a FF/FW (whichever way they're going now:)) of her receiving the award.
...And again this episode showed Charlotte as being a liar.
Charlotte wasn't worried about the helicopter, even to the point of getting snippy with Jack when he asked her what she knew about it.
She was just as upset with Daniel when he wanted to tell them about their time perception.
My advice is: Don't trust Charlotte. lol.
Iheartdesmond
03-02-08, 12:53 AM
I think there's definitely more to her than the rest of the "team." :mad:
She needs to put on that "Darma" collar she found by the Polar Bear Bones and let Sawyer lead her around like a puppy........:nanabobo:
My advice is: Don't trust Charlotte. lol.
I've been saying that for awhile now. :D Oh yeah...so have you. ;)
I did think Juliet was dead on when she nailed Charlotte with the, "Because you're not worried" line. It's bad when you're a character on this show and you have your credibility called by Juliet of all people. Some thoughts from the latest episode....
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v698/Leuthen2/Screencaps/S4E5CharlotteJuliet001.jpg
"I'll tell you again, as I've been telling you all night, doctor - I don't know!"
OK, no need to be such a bitch here. She's clearly easily agitated whenever she's questioned which isn't really all that uncommon but I would think she'd be a little more forgiving in these circumstances. Also, why call Jack, "doctor" here? Is it to maintain some sort of distance from the 815ers, or anonymity? I thought that was rather interesting. Perhaps she just forgot his name but he's one of the only 815ers she's had contact with that I would think she'd remember. Even if it was just a case of forgetting his name (remember, Locke was still calling Jack "doctor" in "White Rabbit"), I didn't like her attitude. I thought she was being defensive for no reason.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v698/Leuthen2/Screencaps/S4E5CharlotteJuliet002.jpg
"Excuse me?" Wow, she didn't like Juliet calling :bs: on her story did she?
I'm expecting a cat fight which rivals the Kate/Juliet mud wrestling scene some time in the near future. There's entirely too much tension between Juliet and Charlotte and I don't think it's going to last long. Both of these women are "outsiders", for lack of a better word, and neither of them has the traumatic events of the Flight 815 place crash to bond them together. My prediction is that one of them won't make it to S5, but who knows.
I can't help but think back to the beginning of Season 2 with the Swan and Desmond. Here's a guy who had just killed his partner a short while back and knew there was something strange going on on the island and yet even when Kate, Locke, and Jack came into the hatch, he didn't act condescending or rude. Granted he was a bit startled, but he'd been without human contact for quite awhile and only contact with Kelvin for 3 years before that. That would make someone unstable.
That said, Charlotte doesn't, that we've seen, have any reason to act this way toward the 815ers unless she's possibly hiding something. Why else not be completely open and honest with them about what's going on?
I've been saying that for awhile now. :D Oh yeah...so have you. ;)
LOL! :D It goes with my new saying for Season 4.
I'll even quote myself.
"I trust Charlotte about as much as I trust Juliet."
Why else not be completely open and honest with them about what's going on?
Charlotte is shady and she has her own agenda.
I agree about a possible smackdown between Charlotte and Juliet. Juliet knows she's an outsider and she doesn't care. She still gives her opinion and stands up for herself, which I actually respect her for.
Wait. What? ;)
Charlotte, on the other hand has just been traded back to Team Jack on the beach and has communication with her own people again.
Not to mention the fact that she's away from Miles who offered to "take care of her" (not in a good way) and survived an assassination attempt from Ben. You'd think she would be a little more grateful and cooperative.
I'll even quote myself.
"I trust Charlotte about as much as I trust Juliet."
Here we go again ZIA !
I had to pop in and comment !
'Course its much too early to comment yet, but seeing Charlotte's apparent affection for Daniel, I'm thinking she can't be all bad ! She appears to have something going on on her own and she doesn't really want to get too involved with the Losties.
She has that typical British "stiff upper lip" demeanor ! She wouldn't show any affection if she could possibly help it, although she was quite gentle with Dan. Maybe she just wants to keep him around for his usefulness !
Whatever we say about her - she's interesting. She could try and train Sawyer - wonder if she's got a whip !
I'm sure if we ever see a FB there'll be some deep, dark secret showing us that Charlotte is another tortured soul ...... but I hope not.
Anyhow, I really like them all, as in find them interesting, (but I still love Sawyer !)
OMG, that bitch! I knew Charlotte was evil.
First of all, Brian. This is a brilliant post and I concur! I really want to put it in my sig. LOL!
Here we go again ZIA !
'Course its much too early to comment
No, it isn't.
She's evil and twisted just like we've been saying! She's a controlling, manipulative liar.
Last night she proved that she will do anything to carry out her mission. I'm sure there is an overall mission somewhere, but her actions showed that she means business and has every intention of completing her task.
I just happen to think it's more for her own personal agenda.
You shouldn't trust her, Ozanna. I'm telling you. ;)
You shouldn't trust her, Ozanna. I'm telling you.
OK Zia - I'm right with you there !
But I still find her character intriguing. I can only assume that Kate is a very poor judge of character or she has got totally befuddled running between Jack and what's-his-name - oh thats right, Sawyer, who lolls around in his cute little house all day waiting for her to return from Jack. Sorry, my displeasure with the de-masculation of Sawyer must be showing !
Ummm, where was I - yes, what was Kate thinking - turning her back on Charlotte ? I saw it in next week's preview and wondered if Kate is losing it ! Its not like they've been particularly friendly.
I'll be interested to see what she gets up to next.
It was a stupid move on Kate's part turning her back on Charlotte. She normally isn't so trusting, at least I'd like to think not. That said, there was absolutely no reason for Charlotte to knock Kate out like that. She could have just tied her to a tree or something and gone on about her business. Kate owes her one IMO and I can't wait to see the "favor" returned.
First of all, Brian. This is a brilliant post and I concur! I really want to put it in my sig. LOL!
I saw that scene in a sneak peek for the latest episode and I was SO pissed I couldn't say anything until it aired. :)
Kate owes her one IMO and I can't wait to see the "favor" returned.
You're reading my mind.
Charlotte just pissed the wrong girl off. I seriously doubt if she'd win in a deathmatch with Kate and I hope Kate gets the opportunity to kick her butt.
I thought Juliet could take her, but maybe she forgot her karate moves in this episode because she was so busy taking secondhand assassination orders from a man she allegedly hates through a ghostly manifestation after hearing the whispers in the rain. FTW! :)
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