Spoiler thread that should have NEVER been posted in WIT

[Razzle Freakin' Dazzle]

I have a simple theory that doesn't really have much to go on, but I think that the Oceanic 6 were teleported from The Orchid, off island. This idea sparked into my noggin when we saw in "The Shape of Things To Come". I see that Been has a new Dharma logo on him and has appeared to traveled in time somehow. Well I think it could be possible that The Orchid is the most important thing to the lostie's rescue! It will teleport them to another location, but something will go wrong causing only 6 to make it off the island. What that thing is, I don't know.

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As for how they would explain popping up from nowhere, they could fake a rescue with Oceanic Airlines, so they'd keep their secret to the world. Maybe they are "found" by the boat in Find815, that found the plane wreckage in the trench. It seemed that little boat was more then just a boat; if you catch my drift. I'm sure it wouldn't bother them to lie... :D

[Subject # 4815162342]

I agree with the theory that the Orchid is the way the Oceanic 6 get off the island...but I don't think it's off the island.

Furthermore,I think people are jumping to conclusions with the whole "time travel" thing...I think the Orchid is specifically set up for wormhole travel,which ,I'm pretty sure,is only supposed to take you from place to place...not time to time.

However,I think it's probably an imperfect science,hence Marvin Candles missing arm,and Ben's injured arm. But it may also entail the slight possibility of getting off track in the timeline,which is why Ben asked what the date was.

[bigdaddyt98]

All I want to know is how are the Oceanic 6 explained to the world? The world was shown a plane deeply submerged with apparently no survivors. So how do they explained the sudden appearance of 6 survivors? Plus when Jack was testifying he explained that Kate took care of everyone during their time away. Which would imply they were stranded somewhere. So how does the story change from a plane underwater to survivors on an island?
Can`t wait to see how they do this.
Sorry for the offtopic post but it just came to me when I was reading the other posts.

[Illyria0604]

All I want to know is how are the Oceanic 6 explained to the world? The world was shown a plane deeply submerged with apparently no survivors. So how do they explained the sudden appearance of 6 survivors? Plus when Jack was testifying he explained that Kate took care of everyone during their time away. Which would imply they were stranded somewhere. So how does the story change from a plane underwater to survivors on an island?
Can`t wait to see how they do this.
Sorry for the offtopic post but it just came to me when I was reading the other posts.

When Jack told his story on the stand, he said that they were floating in the water for ... I don't remember how long, and then they swam to an island nearby. His story pretty much had it covered. I will try to find the exact quotes for ya.

[bigdaddyt98]

When Jack told his story on the stand, he said that they were floating in the water for ... I don't remember how long, and then they swam to an island nearby. His story pretty much had it covered. I will try to find the exact quotes for ya.

I don`t remember him saying anything about floating in the water. Plus if you saw the plane it seemed like it was pretty sealed up. I know that`s a bit of a stretch, but it was`nt in pieces scattered on the floor of the ocean. So when did they get out of the plane? Did they get sucked out in the air? Did they swim out when it sank? Both of those explainations are virtually impossible. I can`t wait to hear how they explain it. And, how were they "rescued" from wherever?
Someone is going to arrange for them to appear "rescued" from somewhere. I`m jumping the gun here I know but I can`t wait to see how it all unfolds.

[Illyria0604]

OK, here is the exact line from the transcript of what Jack said on the stand:

JACK: Only eight of us survived the crash. We landed in the water. I was hurt, pretty badly. In fact, if it weren't for her, I would have never made it to the shore.

He just said "we landed in the water," so I took that to mean that they were thrown from the plane before it crashed into the water. What do you think?

Then he says "made it to shore," suggesting that the plane crashed near land of some kind... could be an island or just the coast of a continent. I don't remember what is near the Sunda trench.

I think their story is purposefully vague so that they don't get caught in the lie.

[CalvinHobbesLocke]

Here is Jack's testimony:

DUNCAN: Dr. Shephard. Could you please tell the ladies and gentlemen of the jury, if there are any of you who don't read the newpapers or the internet or watch television, how you met the defendant?

JACK: Um..on September 22, 2004, Kate (sighs, smiling) --Mrs. Austen and I were both passengers on Oceanic Flight 815, which crash-landed on an island in the South Pacific.


HMMM...crash landed on an island is alot different than crashing in the middle of the ocean and sinking into a trench.

But then he goes on to clarify:

JACK: Only eight of us survived the crash. We landed in the water. I was hurt, pretty badly. In fact, if it weren't for her, I would have never made it to the shore. She took care of me. She took care of all of us. She--she gave us first aid, water, found food, made shelter. She tried to save the other two, but they didn't--

So it appears the story still hangs together..they crashed in the water..they "made it to shore"..either swimming or possibly floating on some wreckage, the rest of the plane sunk. And they were rescued..somehow...and became known as the Oceanic Six.

[Illyria0604]

JACK: Um..on September 22, 2004, Kate (sighs, smiling) --Mrs. Austen and I were both passengers on Oceanic Flight 815, which crash-landed on an island in the South Pacific.


Wow, I totally missed that part. I guess I was going too fast. :)

[CalvinHobbesLocke]

Wow, I totally missed that part. I guess I was going too fast. :)

Twas just a wee bit higher up in the transcript :)

[sleepyjeff]

Still, a major question lingers: How did they wind up on an Island in the "South Pacific" when their plane was found in an entirely different Ocean(Indian)?

[Illyria0604]

Still, a major question lingers: How did they wind up on an Island in the "South Pacific" when their plane was found in an entirely different Ocean(Indian)?

Now THAT is a good question. I don't know how they will get outta that one... but I have faith.

[Razzle Freakin' Dazzle]

Maybe they become so famous because people find out their crash was staged?

[sleepyjeff]

Maybe they become so famous because people find out their crash was staged?

Could be...although wouldn't that beg a lot more questions?

[Dew]

Shouldn't this Orchid stuff be tagged as spoiler since it hasn't aired yet or am I missing something?? Going back to read the 'rules' ;)

[Illyria0604]

Shouldn't this Orchid stuff be tagged as spoiler since it hasn't aired yet or am I missing something?? Going back to read the 'rules' ;)

YES. This whole thread (including the title) is considered spoiler material. I was waiting for someone to say that! I thought a moderator would move it to the Spoiler board by now...

[Erratic Assassin]

Furthermore,I think people are jumping to conclusions with the whole "time travel" thing...I think the Orchid is specifically set up for wormhole travel,which ,I'm pretty sure,is only supposed to take you from place to place...not time to time.

Why did Ben ask what year it was?

[Illyria0604]

Why did Ben ask what year it was?

Good point! I was sure it was simple teleportation, but I guess he could have been traveling through time after all...

[Homer Noodleman]

GAH! What the HELL is this doing being posted in WIT? :mad: :mad: :mad:

Moving to spoilers and killing the title because even it is spoilish.

[Illyria0604]

GAH! What the HELL is this doing being posted in WIT? :mad: :mad: :mad:

Moving to spoilers and killing the title because even it is spoilish.

Ha. I was waiting for a mod to notice!

[bigdaddyt98]

Still, a major question lingers: How did they wind up on an Island in the "South Pacific" when their plane was found in an entirely different Ocean(Indian)?

Exactly, what island was near there? Is there any evidence of them staying there for awhile? Again can`t wait to see how they explain it to the wolrd. I don`t think that T.P.T.B. can just gloss over this, there will have to be some answers I think.

[Winston Smith]

I'm going to say I don't think the O6 get off using anything to do with the Orchid. The reason is because of Sayid's reaction to Ben being in Iraq. If Sayid had used the Orchid to get off the island, he would know that Ben had access to it and ben would not have had to say anything about Desmond's sail boat. Whatever ben did to get there, the O6, or at least Sayid, son't know anything about it.

[Stowaway]

The only way I can think of to account for the fake plane in the Indian Ocean trench and Jack's story that the plane crashed on an island in the Pacific Ocean is if the Oceanic Six return to a different timeline/parallel universe than the one in which Widmore faked the plane crash at the bottom of the trench in the Indian Ocean. So the freightor folk come from a different timeline/parallel universe than the one that the Oceanic Six actually return to. Maybe a different timeline/parallel universe than the Losties started out from which is why Jack is so keen to go back to the island, because he feels don't really belong where they ended up and haven't really made it "home" yet. But I still see a lot of complications with this theory because of the confrontation between Widmore and Ben in Widmore's bedroom - since that guy is in the same timeline with the Oceanic Six how could he also be the same guy who sent the freightor folk to the Island, including Keamy, and is thereby responsible for Alex's murder according to Ben?