What was the point in Danielle Rousseau?

[Chisato Geeste]

So for years it has been hinted that Danielle has some real significance to the mythology of the show; an interesting past just waiting to be explored, a touching reunion with her estranged daughter on the cards, a character that could not be seen too much as it would give too much away.

Yet in the end all she did was blow things up, have a "reunion" with her now dead daughter which consisted of about 2 lines of dialogue and then died a lame and insignificant death.

Seriously...WTF was the point?:confused:

[DarthKitty]

I truly don't think her story is finished.

[nicholas urfe]

she does seem to have been used as a plot device most of the time - occasionally turning up to give the losties/us little tidbits of info about recent history.

however she's had a pretty tragic life and for her to be disposed of so off-hand seems pretty unfair .

[Dezie]

Yeah. You can do anything in a FB! :)

I would love to know a bit more about D. She has much to tell.

The whole meeting w/ Alex was very disappointing! I know people were saying that the story was wrapped up with getting off the island, at the time, but too many things were left unsaid.

[RoseArienh]

I truly don't think her story is finished.
:yeah:

The whole meeting w/ Alex was very disappointing! I know people were saying that the story was wrapped up with getting off the island, at the time, but too many things were left unsaid.
And :yeah: too. ;)

Danielle provided some significant information on the Island's recent history: the sickness, maps, the Black Rock, etc.

And I may be stupidly stubborn, but I have not seen proof that she is dead.

[Illyria0604]

Even if she is dead, we will probably still see a flashback. I mean, they did a flashback for Naomi after she died, so why not Danielle? Even if it's just a small one, it would be fascinating.

[Jack T Kirk]

I agree. They'll get to Danielle's story sooner or later. She was losing her intrigue hanging out in the open, anyway. The next time we see her, hopefully, will be a total surprise.

[RadioDave]

I agree. They'll get to Danielle's story sooner or later. She was losing her intrigue hanging out in the open, anyway. The next time we see her, hopefully, will be a total surprise.

Like when she pops out of the woods and goes ninja on Keamy for killing her daughter? That would be something I think we could all get behind.

If we believe the island won't let certain people die, and we know that everyone in her party died but her... maybe she's one of "those" people.

At least I hope so, because as the OP pointed out... there's a lot of plot out there we're missing out on if TPTB don't delve into her character more.

[Crow T. Robot]

I'd put money on her NOT being dead. Carl... totally dead. Alex... most sincerely dead. Danielle? Not so much. Just like Locke getting shot and left for dead, we have not seen the last of Rousseau alive on the island. After all, Mira Furlan hasn't been picked up on a DUI. :D

[Cranky]

*Covers ears*
Danielle is not deadlalalalalaI can't hear youlalalalaDanielle is not dead

[sdunn96]

I was shocked at her death too, I was wanting to know more...

But for those who say we will see her in FB's....
Who exactly will give that too us?
She has been on the island for over 16yrs. her crew she came to the island with, she killed....her daughter didn't know her and is now dead.

The only one who could shed any light on her would be Ben, and maybe Richard.....

Don't know how they would work in a FB about her now.....since she seems rather irrelavant.

[Jack T Kirk]

Like when she pops out of the woods and goes ninja on Keamy for killing her daughter? That would be something I think we could all get behind.

If we believe the island won't let certain people die, and we know that everyone in her party died but her... maybe she's one of "those" people.

At least I hope so, because as the OP pointed out... there's a lot of plot out there we're missing out on if TPTB don't delve into her character more.

Omg...

That's awesome! It would be totally cool if Danielle survived and TPTB are keeping it a secret from us. I want to see her go Rambo and kill all the mercs, one by one. Even if she died after that, I think it would redeem the lameness that we experienced in episode 8.

[AllAmericanDre]

Danielle got Libby'ed.

There was much more to her backstory, but the show needed a shocking death to a likeable character that was expendable.

Libby died to help get the point across that Michael was a bad person willing to do anything to help Walt.

Danielle died to help get the point across that Keamy/Widmore are bad people willing to do anything to get Ben.

I guess it was a trade off that the writers were willing to make.

However, don't be surprised if Danielle goes all Locke on us and gets healed by the island.

[Illyria0604]

I was shocked at her death too, I was wanting to know more...

But for those who say we will see her in FB's....
Who exactly will give that too us?
She has been on the island for over 16yrs. her crew she came to the island with, she killed....her daughter didn't know her and is now dead.

The only one who could shed any light on her would be Ben, and maybe Richard.....

Don't know how they would work in a FB about her now.....since she seems rather irrelavant.

I don't see why they can't do a flashback for Rousseau when they did one for Naomi. We saw a FB for her after she was dead, and there was no one on the island who knew her backstory. That said, I hope you all are right and she is alive (and possibly healed by the island) because I want her to go all Rambo on the mercs, too. Ha.

[L8O1S5T]

To be honest, I thought Danielle's "death" was a bit comical. The way she was shot and the way she fell looked clumsy to me. My first thoughts were that she wasn't dead. Not like that. I hope she's not dead. I would want her to go out in a much larger way.

[sdunn96]

I don't see why they can't do a flashback for Rousseau when they did one for Naomi. We saw a FB for her after she was dead, and there was no one on the island who knew her backstory. That said, I hope you all are right and she is alive (and possibly healed by the island) because I want her to go all Rambo on the mercs, too. Ha.

But keep in mind Naomi's FB's were told in the context of the other 4 from the boat...Daniel, Miles, Charlotte, and Lapidus
And also through Michael...

Now I will say that they did a FB I guess "From her" when on the stretcher....but I think they kinda broke the rules for that one, cause I thought they only did FB's for the living....
But she was still present, and we could see her.

No telling what has happened with Karl or Danielle, or that anyone will find them anytime soon, since most are busy w/ the Frieghties.

[Illyria0604]

Now I will say that they did a FB I guess "From her" when on the stretcher....but I think they kinda broke the rules for that one, cause I thought they only did FB's for the living....

See, I don't think there are any "rules" for the flashbacks. I think we, as fans, made up those rules. We just got used to the FBs being told from the perspective of a living person whose FB it was, so when they did threw Naomi's FB in there, we thought "oh, they broke the rules." But I don't think TPTB scrutinized the FBs the way we did, so they didn't think anything of it. I think we are over-complicating it.

[Oswald]

If she is dead, which I hope she isn't, we could always get her story via another person's flashback, like Richard Alpert for example.
I thought Juliet's flashback in The Other Woman was more revealing about Ben than Juliet, so they could use a similar device.

[nicholas urfe]

If she is dead, which I hope she isn't, we could always get her story via another person's flashback, like Richard Alpert for example.
I thought Juliet's flashback in The Other Woman was more revealing about Ben than Juliet, so they could use a similar device.

but to do it like that would require Danielle to have had some sort of relationship with them and as far as she's said she's stayed away from everyone on the island .

[Illyria0604]

I think Danielle will have a flashback of her own. It won't be shown through someone else's flashback, and she won't have to be alive in order for it to happen.

Also:

TPTB said in a recent interview that they were not done exploring Rousseau's story, and that a flashback is indeed planned for her. When asked whether she was really dead or not, they dodged the question. So either she's coming back alive and will have a flashback, or she is dead and will have a flashback.

The point is, there are no flashback rules! :P

[Found in the Land of Lost]

Danielle is so NOT dead. She's going to come back around, find out that her daughter is dead, and go absolutely ballistic. It's going to be awesome.

:D

[Illyria0604]

Woot!

[sdunn96]

We can hope for that.....maybe she'll clean up the island once and for all.

Have to keep in mind, she killed off her entire team....so she is capable of doing something.

[Shortcake]

Yay! No flashback rules.

I don't want her to be dead- still not convinced she is dead. That being said I really want her flashback, and I don't really care what they have to do to provide it. Dead, alive, Miles channeling, Video footage saved up by Ben. Whatever- just give me the story!

[brdmom]

I agree that if we do not learn more about Danielle's character or if she doesn't reappear in some way, she becomes as pointless as the whole tailies storyline which would be extremely annoying and disappointing. I still love the show, but sometimes my faith that the writers actually have a master plan (and have from the beginning) gets rather shaken...

[DarthKitty]

Danielle is so NOT dead. She's going to come back around, find out that her daughter is dead, and go absolutely ballistic. It's going to be awesome.

:D

YES! And I can't wait!

[RoseArienh]

I think Danielle will have a flashback of her own. It won't be shown through someone else's flashback, and she won't have to be alive in order for it to happen.

Also:

TPTB said in a recent interview that they were not done exploring Rousseau's story, and that a flashback is indeed planned for her. When asked whether she was really dead or not, they dodged the question. So either she's coming back alive and will have a flashback, or she is dead and will have a flashback.

The point is, there are no flashback rules! :P

Thank you!! That's one spoiler I'm glad I read!

[Illyria0604]

Thank you!! That's one spoiler I'm glad I read!

Me too! ;)

[Noite Escura]

I don't think she's alive. I think Alex's death sealed her fate. She is dead or will be anytime soon. Keeping her alive knowing her daughter is dead will make her character extremely cheesy. She's cold dead or will return for a last killing spree before going for good.
If she is dead, which I hope she isn't, we could always get her story via another person's flashback, like Richard Alpert for example.
One word for you: Jacob. It's him who can shed light in all of the island's history. Or they can do a whole episode about the story of her group just like "The Other 48 Days".

[Noite Escura]

BTW we should see a flashback telling the story of the Dharma staff aswell. Kelvin, Radzinsky and Mikhail have something to say yet. No to mention Marvin Candle.

[Illyria0604]

Or they can do a whole episode about the story of her group just like "The Other 48 Days".

I'm glad you brought this up. This is another example of a flashback that wasn't really a flashback, like the episode that showed the freighties' pasts. Again, no flashback rules. Sometimes they just go back and fill in stories that are missing. Just more pieces of the puzzle, you know?

[sdunn96]

I don't think she's alive. I think Alex's death sealed her fate. She is dead or will be anytime soon. Keeping her alive knowing her daughter is dead will make her character extremely cheesy. She's cold dead or will return for a last killing spree before going for good.

One word for you: Jacob. It's him who can shed light in all of the island's history. Or they can do a whole episode about the story of her group just like "The Other 48 Days".


True but those guys were still alive at the time. :D

[Illyria0604]

whether a character is alive or dead is in no way connected to flashbacks!

<exasperation>

[SeeUinAnotherLife]

I truly don't think her story is finished.

i hope not! i really wanted to see a rousseau flashback... but would there even be a point to a rousseau flashback now that she's SUPPOSEDLY dead? this disappoints me :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

[Illyria0604]

i hope not! i really wanted to see a rousseau flashback... but would there even be a point to a rousseau flashback now that she's SUPPOSEDLY dead? this disappoints me :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

I think there would be a point in the sense that she is important to the mystery of the island itself.

[DarthKitty]

Danielle is not dead.


That is all.

[mickyd]

I ,like most people on this Forum, feel great empathy for the Danielle character but I have a sense that due to story line constraints in part tighten by the strike that the Danielle saga line has fallen victim to other priorities. The plot has moved on to events surrounding the rescue from the island while the survival phase which Danielle is mostly associated with has past. I am not totally counting her out but I would be (pleasantly) surprised to see her again.

[Long Con]

Dead or alive, doesn’t matter to me. I want to find out more about her. I would like her to still be alive, I liked her character, but I am not gonna flip out if she is really dead.

We would all have to agree that she didn’t exactly tell the truth in any scene we saw her in.

A security system? That’s how she described the monster…. What else does she know about Smokie???

Didn’t know Ben when she shot him with the arrow? How did she know he was an Other and that he would lie & lie & lie?

Never saw the Others or the Flame or Othersville in 16 years on the island? Made her maps without coming across anything to do with the Others? Hardly believable!

Her crue…. are we missing info? Brennon and the key? Montand and his missing arm?

She has a lot of beans to spill and we want some beans!

Let’s pray they don’t drop the ball and give us what we want.

Danielle info!!!!!!

[Illyria0604]

I ,like most people on this Forum, feel great empathy for the Danielle character but I have a sense that due to story line constraints in part tighten by the strike that the Danielle saga line has fallen victim to other priorities. The plot has moved on to events surrounding the rescue from the island while the survival phase which Danielle is mostly associated with has past. I am not totally counting her out but I would be (pleasantly) surprised to see her again.

I disagree, but only based on what TPTB have said in interviews:

They have said that we are still going to see Danielle's background story, and that her storyline is far from over. They dodged the question as to whether she is actually dead... hmmm... :)

I think we are still going to get her backstory.

[DarthKitty]

Dead or alive, doesn’t matter to me. I want to find out more about her. I would like her to still be alive, I liked her character, but I am not gonna flip out if she is really dead.

We would all have to agree that she didn’t exactly tell the truth in any scene we saw her in.

A security system? That’s how she described the monster…. What else does she know about Smokie???

Didn’t know Ben when she shot him with the arrow? How did she know he was an Other and that he would lie & lie & lie?

Never saw the Others or the Flame or Othersville in 16 years on the island? Made her maps without coming across anything to do with the Others? Hardly believable!

Her crue…. are we missing info? Brennon and the key? Montand and his missing arm?

She has a lot of beans to spill and we want some beans!

Let’s pray they don’t drop the ball and give us what we want.

Danielle info!!!!!!

All great reasons to believe we will see Danielle again.

[Bobb]

Why not a Stay-type flashback where we see her backstory as she lays dying in the jungle? That would totally fit in with the show's style.

[DarthKitty]

Great thought, Bobb. I could definitely see an episode going down that way.

[Cranky]

Ooooooh, good idea! I wouldn't mind that!

[sgtdraino]

Except that if she does ultimately die from this incident, I think that would be lame.

[nicholas urfe]

I wonder if they'll have the actress who plays Alex play danielle in the flashback , they do look alike .

[Ida Monster]

I wonder if they'll have the actress who plays Alex play danielle in the flashback , they do look alike .
That would be even more lame.

[Crow T. Robot]

I wonder if they'll have the actress who plays Alex play danielle in the flashback , they do look alike .

That would be even more lame.

Agreed.

[Found in the Land of Lost]

Except that if she does ultimately die from this incident, I think that would be lame.

:yeah:

[Chisato Geeste]

I think I'm losing all hope in TPTB.

4 years of dangling a carrot in front of your face only to change their mind because the uncontracted Mira Furlan accepted a role on a movie.

[nicholas urfe]

That would be even more lame.

why?

[Hatebox]

why?

c'mon buddy, don't be naive.

[nicholas urfe]

c'mon buddy, don't be naive.


what are you talking about , why is it naive ?

[lizzo]

Just my opinion...but I think TPTB just totally lost control of how Danielle's story fit in with the rest of what was going on. Danielle had supposedly been there for 16 years, the purge was 12 years ago...so Ben stole the baby from Danielle before the purge? I guess it could happen, but it doesn't make sense. From the beginning, with her saying she'd never seen the Others, but she heard them...how could TPTB make that fit the story now? I know that people here have come up with some good theories, but there were always missing pieces. We expected the writers to fill in those missing pieces, but I doubt they ever could.

I hope I'm wrong, but with her death all but confirmed, I think we're just supposed to move on.

[Crow T. Robot]

I think I'm losing all hope in TPTB.

4 years of dangling a carrot in front of your face only to change their mind because the uncontracted Mira Furlan accepted a role on a movie.

So... what would YOU have done in this situation?

[Hatebox]

Just my opinion...but I think TPTB just totally lost control of how Danielle's story fit in with the rest of what was going on. Danielle had supposedly been there for 16 years, the purge was 12 years ago...so Ben stole the baby from Danielle before the purge? I guess it could happen, but it doesn't make sense. From the beginning, with her saying she'd never seen the Others, but she heard them...how could TPTB make that fit the story now? I know that people here have come up with some good theories, but there were always missing pieces. We expected the writers to fill in those missing pieces, but I doubt they ever could.

I hope I'm wrong, but with her death all but confirmed, I think we're just supposed to move on.

I agree: she was a cool idea in the pilot to add to the suspense (with her looped recording) but apparently other stories overtook the logic of her presence.

[nicholas urfe]

c'mon buddy, don't be naive.

I'm still waiting for you to explain why you called me naive .

[scotpgot]

I don't think that's needed.

[DarthKitty]

Maybe the missing pieces of Danielle's story are due to the time she possibly spent in room 23.

[Hatebox]

I'm still waiting for you to explain why you called me naive .

C'mon buddy, don't be grouchy :coffeedunk:

[nicholas urfe]

C'mon buddy, don't be grouchy :coffeedunk:

*sigh* another dodge.

I mean you called me naive , I could've gotten rather "grouchy" over that , but I thought - well if someone calls you naive they must think you're missing something really obvious , so I asked why , but , interestingly you've been unable to tell me what it is .

Twice.

cheers buddy:Cowdance:

[DarthKitty]

Chill. Or take it to PM's.

Ok, let's get back on track and talk about Danielle. Like I said before, maybe I'm not being realistic, I think we will get her story and hopefully she's still alive.

Hopefully we at least get something like this.

Why not a Stay-type flashback where we see her backstory as she lays dying in the jungle? That would totally fit in with the show's style.

[scotpgot]

Take it to PMs, please.

[Bobb]

I'm now convinced that Danielle is alive, and that Frank buried Naomi's body beside Karl's. We see her put aboard the helicopter, but after Frank's suspicious 15 or 16-hour flight to the freighter, there's no further sign or word of her. I don't know about you, but I wouldn't want a body left in my helicopter.

Here's my thinking (minus the motivations, feel free to add your own):

Frank leaves for the freighter with Sayid, Desmond, and Naomi's body on board his helicopter.

He enters the "storm" or whatever you want to call the island barrier and Desmond and Sayid go unconcious (with at least Desmond time-traveling). Frank evidently has some immunity to the effect, perhaps because he knows what it is and has taken a drug to protect himself from it.

Franks turns the helicopter around and returns to the island, but not to the losties' camp. He unload's Naomi's body (possibly to use as off-island evidence of testimony he hopes to give, though maybe just to keep her death from the majority of the freighties, who may not have been informed by Minkowski).

Frank does other stuff that will be revealed during a Frank-centric flashback. Then, with the knowledge that Desmond and Sayid will soon be conscious, he returns to the helicopter and flies back into the "storm" and on to the freighter, where Naomi is never mention nor her body off-loaded despite the fact that the "viewpoint character" Sayid is on deck for some time. Knowing Frank as we do, we'd expect that the first thing he would've done (after getting some help for Desmond, maybe) would've been to oversee the removal of Naomi's body from the helicopter.

After some stuff happens on the freighter, Frank flies Keamy's team to the island, probably dropping them off somewhere open then looking for a better place to hide the chopper. He later comes across a dead Karl and an injured Danielle. He takes them both to where he left Naomi's body, and buries Karl beside Naomi, hoping that Naomi will be mistaken for Danielle (or perhaps counting on Miles to mislead people into thinking that). Frank knows that Keamy has to believe that everyone on the island (at least those who can identify him) are dead, or he'll keep hunting them until they are.

I think this is something along the lines of what happened, probably not exactly what happened, but I'm pretty sure that Frank helped an injured Danielle, then buried Naomi so it would look like Danielle was dead.

[Dew]

Some days reading threads is like deja vu all over again. ;)

[Bobb]

Some days reading threads is like deja vu all over again. ;)

Maybe I should just link? ;)

[Dew]

Maybe I should just link? ;)

I dunno but you are making my head spin ;) Makes it difficult to keep track of threads for me but hey it is what it is :) Post away. :Peace5:

[RangerMel]

I don't buy that Naomi is buried with Karl. They basically cheated us out of Danielle's story for no reason. She comes and goes all the time. They didn't have to kill her. I am very very angry. :mad:

[lizzo]

I agree, and this is definitely one of the low points of the series. I hate anything that takes me out of the story that much...as soon as she was shot, I felt cheated. Any investment there was in Danielle's story was a bad investment.

[MayBear]

I truly don't think her story is finished.
:yeah:

I'd put money on her NOT being dead. Carl... totally dead. Alex... most sincerely dead. Danielle? Not so much. Just like Locke getting shot and left for dead, we have not seen the last of Rousseau alive on the island. After all, Mira Furlan hasn't been picked up on a DUI. :D

:rotfl:

Danielle got Libby'ed.

There was much more to her backstory, but the show needed a shocking death to a likeable character that was expendable.

Libby died to help get the point across that Michael was a bad person willing to do anything to help Walt.

Danielle died to help get the point across that Keamy/Widmore are bad people willing to do anything to get Ben.

I guess it was a trade off that the writers were willing to make.

However, don't be surprised if Danielle goes all Locke on us and gets healed by the island.
Dang... Island's gonna have to work overtime... She was looking a little decayed wasn't she?http://s167.photobucket.com/albums/u130/Momof2js/smilies/th_scratch_head.gif

but to do it like that would require Danielle to have had some sort of relationship with them and as far as she's said she's stayed away from everyone on the island .
There's the key!! As far as SHE said!! :stare:

[MayBear]

I don't think she's alive. I think Alex's death sealed her fate. She is dead or will be anytime soon. Keeping her alive knowing her daughter is dead will make her character extremely cheesy. She's cold dead or will return for a last killing spree before going for good.

One word for you: Jacob. It's him who can shed light in all of the island's history. Or they can do a whole episode about the story of her group just like "The Other 48 Days".
:idea: OR It could be him that could tell us the rest of Danielle's story, too!

Why not a Stay-type flashback where we see her backstory as she lays dying in the jungle? That would totally fit in with the show's style.
Was it just me... or didn't she look a little too dead already when Miles et al found her? :hmm:

Just my opinion...but I think TPTB just totally lost control of how Danielle's story fit in with the rest of what was going on. Danielle had supposedly been there for 16 years, the purge was 12 years ago...so Ben stole the baby from Danielle before the purge? I guess it could happen, but it doesn't make sense. From the beginning, with her saying she'd never seen the Others, but she heard them...how could TPTB make that fit the story now? I know that people here have come up with some good theories, but there were always missing pieces. We expected the writers to fill in those missing pieces, but I doubt they ever could.

I hope I'm wrong, but with her death all but confirmed, I think we're just supposed to move on.
Do you think they are depending on the suspension of disbelief -- maybe a little too much?

I mean, think about it... Does the average veiwer REALLY REALLY keep that close of tabs on all of these details? Are TPTB depending on JoeBloe to just kinda "forget" that part of it?

I know we all really catch the missing pieces, and the faux pas, and the "what are they doing now :mad3: " things.... But really? Do you think the average view does? :hmm: And do you think TPTB hope that the average viewer doesn't?

http://s167.photobucket.com/albums/u130/Momof2js/smilies/th_unsure.gif I dunno...

Some days reading threads is like deja vu all over again. ;)

Seems like I've seen that before!

:wink:

[Bobb]

Although I don't think that Danielle is dead, I won't feel cheated if it's true. There were some classic moments involving her, like Hurley going to ask her about the numbers, and her walking in on Locke at the Black Rock when he was pushing Sawyer to murder Locke's dad.

With Alex dead, Danielle has nothing to live for; she's survived all this time in hopes of being reunited with her child (if we're to believe the storyline). So, even if she's alive now like I've theorized, I don't expect her to be around much longer, maybe just long enough to kill Keamy.

[Cranky]

I don't care how long she lives...just long enough for a flashback!!

[yung23]

how can anyone think danielle is not dead?

her dead face was buried in the dirt !

[Bobb]

how can anyone think danielle is not dead?

her dead face was buried in the dirt !

Some of us (in this very thread) have proposed that it's Naomi's face in the dirt. Compare screencaps of Danielle and Naomi to the face, and see what you think. Others think it looks more like Alex, so who knows. We do have a tendency to see what we're looking for. There's also the little problem (to me) that Frank spent 15-16 hours flying out to the freighter when he should've been there in less than an hour and once there never supervised the offloading of Naomi's body. So it appears like he offloaded the body prior to landing on the freighter.

Gah, I'm sounding like a broken record. Go read it if you're interested, have a good laugh and move on if you're not.

[RoseArienh]

Source: http://forum.lostpedia.com/showthread.php?t=13744
djsunyc, would you please tag your spoiler appropriately? Thank you! :)

[RoseArienh]

You're very kind! Here's (http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15880)where to learn all about spoiler tags. They can be very handy.

[djsunyc]

Also, there is an interview with Mira Furlan's husband from a Croatian magazine which states that Mira Furlan asked to be written out of the show because she didn't like constantly being in Hawaii. Her husband also states that she might be back for the next season.

"Why did your wife stopped shooting ''Lost?''?
She got bored of Hawaii. She got ''island fever'' - that's how cast of Lost calls it in joke. Simply, she didn't want to be on that island, she didn't want to work that job, so she made a deal with the producers to kill her character off.

How did they kill her off?
Shot her. But, her character is pretty popular with fans of the series, so they leaved possibility for comeback next season."

Source: http://forum.lostpedia.com/showthread.php?t=13744

[MaggiePixel]

I'm now convinced that Danielle is alive, and that Frank buried Naomi's body beside Karl's. We see her put aboard the helicopter, but after Frank's suspicious 15 or 16-hour flight to the freighter, there's no further sign or word of her. I don't know about you, but I wouldn't want a body left in my helicopter....I don't see how that can be Naomi's body since she died a full week before Danielle did. If it were Naomi's body then Sawyer & Claire would have smelled the body long before Miles' spidey-sense tingled.

[Reduak]

Some of us (in this very thread) have proposed that it's Naomi's face in the dirt. Compare screencaps of Danielle and Naomi to the face, and see what you think. Others think it looks more like Alex, so who knows. We do have a tendency to see what we're looking for. There's also the little problem (to me) that Frank spent 15-16 hours flying out to the freighter when he should've been there in less than an hour and once there never supervised the offloading of Naomi's body. So it appears like he offloaded the body prior to landing on the freighter.

Gah, I'm sounding like a broken record. Go read it if you're interested, have a good laugh and move on if you're not.

Sorry to torpedo your theory, but Miles would have recognized Naomi. He didn't. Instead, he asked Sawyer something to the effect of "is this your dead French woman".

She's dead. Whether or not we get a fb is up to TPTB, but I'm not optomistic.

[Bobb]

I don't see how that can be Naomi's body since she died a full week before Danielle did. If it were Naomi's body then Sawyer & Claire would have smelled the body long before Miles' spidey-sense tingled.

Hmm ... but Frank, Sayid, and Desmond don't get off the helicopter gagging and retching after being enclosed with that same smelly corpse? Regardless of what a real corpse is like (and I can't say I've spent any time around them) the producers are treating it as if there's no unbearable stench.

[Bobb]

Sorry to torpedo your theory, but Miles would have recognized Naomi. He didn't. Instead, he asked Sawyer something to the effect of "is this your dead French woman".

She's dead. Whether or not we get a fb is up to TPTB, but I'm not optomistic.

Miles lies if his lips are moving, you might have noticed. He's probably working for Ben, as many have theorized. He let Claire wander off into the jungle in the middle of the night, abandoning her baby. This is the guy you're going to trust to identify Naomi? As Sarge pointed out, when asked if it was Danielle, Sawyer just stared down and said nothing. Karl, he did identify, but not "the French woman".

Let's not forget that Miles called attention to the grave in the first place, after Sawyer and Claire had pretty much walked right over it. He wanted it to be found and the identities to be known. By using Danielle's and Karl's names, anyone recognizing Karl (like Sawyer) would be quick to jump to the conclusion that the woman was Danielle.

[Reduak]

Miles lies if his lips are moving, you might have noticed. He's probably working for Ben, as many have theorized. He let Claire wander off into the jungle in the middle of the night, abandoning her baby. This is the guy you're going to trust to identify Naomi? As Sarge pointed out, when asked if it was Danielle, Sawyer just stared down and said nothing. Karl, he did identify, but not "the French woman".

Let's not forget that Miles called attention to the grave in the first place, after Sawyer and Claire had pretty much walked right over it. He wanted it to be found and the identities to be known. By using Danielle's and Karl's names, anyone recognizing Karl (like Sawyer) would be quick to jump to the conclusion that the woman was Danielle.

Yeah he lies, but with a handfull of exceptions, doesn't everyone else on the show.

That being said, Sawyer and Claire both had seen Naomi for several days and knew what she looked like. Both had seen Danielle and Claire had even spent significant time with her in Maternity Leave, so they'd know beyond any doubt whether or not it was her. We're not talking about months post mortem, just really a day or so, which means she'd be completely recognizable.

Another hole in the theory is that it's highly unlikely Miles had never met either Karl or Danielle. He was locked in the boat house on Locke's grenade diet, except for when he got brought up to the house for Locke's town meeting, but I doubt there would have been introductions. Miles was able to call attention to the grave after Sawyer and Claire walked over it because of his ghostbusting powers.

Nice try, but like Karl's water bottle after the first shot, your theory just doesn't hold water.

[Farmer Ted]

Let's not forget that Miles called attention to the grave in the first place, after Sawyer and Claire had pretty much walked right over it. He wanted it to be found and the identities to be known. By using Danielle's and Karl's names, anyone recognizing Karl (like Sawyer) would be quick to jump to the conclusion that the woman was Danielle.

So you're saying there's a giant con going on, where Miles and his co-conspirators are trying to make Claire and Sawyer think that Danielle is dead? They already knew Danielle was dead-Alex told them right before she took her own dirt nap. Why would Miles and co. so desperately want to make Sawyer and Claire think that Danielle was dead, if she were really alive? It makes no sense. Sawyer and Claire also already know that Naomi is dead-Kate told them. So Miles isn't trying to hide that fact from them, and if he were, he could've just kept walking instead of pointing out the graves. I think your theory needs more time in the oven.

[Dew]

Also, there is an interview with Mira Furlan's husband from a Croatian magazine which states that Mira Furlan asked to be written out of the show because she didn't like constantly being in Hawaii. Her husband also states that she might be back for the next season.

"Why did your wife stopped shooting ''Lost?''?
She got bored of Hawaii. She got ''island fever'' - that's how cast of Lost calls it in joke. Simply, she didn't want to be on that island, she didn't want to work that job, so she made a deal with the producers to kill her character off.

How did they kill her off?
Shot her. But, her character is pretty popular with fans of the series, so they leaved possibility for comeback next season."

Source: http://forum.lostpedia.com/showthread.php?t=13744

:yeah: :winner: :D

[MaggiePixel]

Hmm ... but Frank, Sayid, and Desmond don't get off the helicopter gagging and retching after being enclosed with that same smelly corpse? Regardless of what a real corpse is like (and I can't say I've spent any time around them) the producers are treating it as if there's no unbearable stench.Right, but they got on the helicopter with her body about 24 hours after her final death. I'm guessing that there's a big difference between how a body looks & smells in the tropics after 1 day vs 7 days.

[Unlocke Locke]

I was shocked at her death too, I was wanting to know more...

But for those who say we will see her in FB's....
Who exactly will give that too us?
She has been on the island for over 16yrs. her crew she came to the island with, she killed....her daughter didn't know her and is now dead.

The only one who could shed any light on her would be Ben, and maybe Richard.....

Don't know how they would work in a FB about her now.....since she seems rather irrelavant.



I suspect she will be in Ben FB, I mean, isn't it obvious? Hopefully just a very small part that shows her and her crew and how crazy she was, because basically I could care less.

[djsunyc]

as of right now...with where the story is going...a rousseau flashback really isn't essential. maybe we'll see something about her team's expedition BUT i don't see it being that important to the story.

[Bobb]

So you're saying there's a giant con going on, where Miles and his co-conspirators are trying to make Claire and Sawyer think that Danielle is dead? They already knew Danielle was dead-Alex told them right before she took her own dirt nap. Why would Miles and co. so desperately want to make Sawyer and Claire think that Danielle was dead, if she were really alive? It makes no sense. Sawyer and Claire also already know that Naomi is dead-Kate told them. So Miles isn't trying to hide that fact from them, and if he were, he could've just kept walking instead of pointing out the graves. I think your theory needs more time in the oven.

No, they don't give a crap ultimately about what Claire and Sawyer think; they care what Keamy thinks.

Look at is this way. IF Danielle is alive, and make that as big an IF as you want, IF she's alive, her dead body isn't going to be laying next to Karl's where it ought to be. So what happens if Keamy and his men go by there again, or one of them realizes they never confirmed the kill shots and goes back to look? Danielle's "body" will be missing! The presumption will be that Danielle is alive.

If Keamy's orders are to kill every living person on the island, that means he'll have to hunt down Danielle (finding and killing anyone he doesn't know about who might be helping her, in the process). Although I don't think Keamy is ultimately going to survive, I think he's going to manage to get in an, "All's clear, mission accomplished" report before his death (with Abaddon trying to get confirmation from Hurley in one of the FF's we saw).

Addressing the people who are using spoiler arguments: please stop. I have nothing against the spoilers and don't mind reading them, but they're not show-based evidence, which is what I'm going on. Besides, that spoiler was self-contradicting, so I can claim it "supports" my theory instead of "debunking" it.

Miles can't be trusted; his calling attention to the grave and its occupants is seriously questionable.

Who does the woman look like to you? Compare faces. Alex? Danielle? Naomi? It could be any of them, but who does it look like? Karl is unmistakably Karl. I've stated my opinion, but study the faces and make your own call.

[dharmapup2]

I wouldn't be surprised if Danielle shows up in a flashback but - yes I too am rather dissapointed that....that's all there is folks. What a tragic end to a character who could have potentially been very interesting. I'm not sure I get it at all.

[Dombrowski]

I think Danielle is alive. I downloaded the episode and studied the face in the grave. It looks nothing like Danielle. I think it could be one of these people:
1. Naomi
2. One of the Others who may have been killed by Keamy while out and about
3. The woman from the freighter who dove overboard. Maybe the Others found her body and chose to bury it along with Carl's body.

Well maybe I'm reaching here but I hop Danielle is alive and plotting her revenge. haha.