R.I.P Danielle

[yoyoj06]

and we never got a flashback!!!!!!!! :(

maybe someday we'll figure you and your crazy antics out

[Dew]

and we never got a flashback!!!!!!!! :(

maybe someday we'll figure you and your crazy antics out

No FB yet. ;) Truffula is gonna go nuts :eek:

[LOST lunatic]

Omg it's TRUE!!!!! And 90% of folks said she was still alive!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[sawyerhasbestlines]

Zombie Danielle will be back.

[truffula]

No FB yet. ;) Truffula is gonna go nuts :eek:
*contains wrath*
You have no idea how frakkin pissed I am right now. :mad:
I'll be back in here (maybe) to vent more.

But for now, RIP Danielle Rousseau, we hardly knew ye. :(

[LPU]

Why would they bother to bury the bodies? Strange.

[X_lostie_boy_X]

Danielle... dead but most definitely will not be forgotten...

there's something more important to or behind her story that we will see

[Brian]

Why would they bother to bury the bodies? Strange.

That was probably TPTB's way of telling the fans that yes, they're both dead. Unfortunately.

On a related note, it's about damn time that Miles started using his abilities on the Island. I hope to see more of it.

[yoyoj06]

i think something in her past has to deal with everything going on

[LPU]

That was probably TPTB's way of telling the fans that yes, they're both dead. Unfortunately.

On a related note, it's about damn time that Miles started using his abilities on the Island. I hope to see more of it.

Too right, but I'm sure we'll see her again.

[ParadiseChick]

R.I.P. Danielle, you will be missed. I thought she was gone to soon, just like Alex. They deserved to stay on the show

[RoseArienh]

*contains wrath*
You have no idea how frakkin pissed I am right now. :mad:
I'll be back in here (maybe) to vent more.

But for now, RIP Danielle Rousseau, we hardly knew ye. :(

:pissed:OMG, buddy, I'm with you. I can't believe it. I refuse.:weeping:

[traveling wilbury]

NO! No! Why the f*@!$#?!

I had it in that she was alive like truffula, and then this... I have to go and catch some air.

Before I do, RIP Danielle.

[ozchick]

This was big for me as well. I'm sure we haven't seen the last of Mira Furlan (actors seem to get more work on this show after their characters die) but this... this was just not right for me.

[clayseason1]

That was probably TPTB's way of telling the fans that yes, they're both dead. Unfortunately.

On a related note, it's about damn time that Miles started using his abilities on the Island. I hope to see more of it.

Yeah, of course it would be more believable if their faces were also underground so they couldn't breath. :D

[VeeAyetheCPA]

:pissed:OMG, buddy, I'm with you. I can't believe it. I refuse.:weeping:

:yeah:

[LOST lunatic]

I'm hoping she is still alive somehow. There is just no way it's true. No way.

[Mysterious Mike]

TPTB really cut deep with this horrible horrible ending to this character.

There were so many possibilities with her character when introduced it feels like a total letdown , kinda like the numbers.


At least she outlasted Nikki and Paulo.

[yoyoj06]

and they didnt even kill her a cool way, just a fricken dart from 100 feet. she should at least have gone out guns blazin

[Khan]

It's not like we didn't know TPTB really don't care about what characters the viewers want to see. At this rate I'm surprised they were generous enough to allow six Originals to survive so far.
Ben and any number of Others can have FB's so her story could be told that way.

[MrSocko]

I didn't love her as much as some, but I'm still sad she is gone. I can accept it though, as I accept pretty much anything they throw our way.

She will be missed, but I don't feel like she has done all that much lately that is worth getting PO'd over.

[Leia Amos]

*contains wrath*
You have no idea how frakkin pissed I am right now. :mad:
I'll be back in here (maybe) to vent more.

But for now, RIP Danielle Rousseau, we hardly knew ye. :(

I feel ya, I really do. :mad:

[Vitriol]

I think they've wanted Danielle "Giant Plot Hole" Rousseau out of the way for awhile now.

[Leia Amos]

I think they've wanted Danielle "Giant Plot Hole" Rousseau out of the way for awhile now.

Boo :( Doesn't mean I didn't want more out of her.

[carmela]

Its a shame. She was a fascinating character. But I'm learning not to get too attached.

[WaffleWaffle]

We had to pause the show for wailing and gnashing of teeth. I am pissed. I've let so much go because I think the writers and creators have generally done a fabulous job in the face of having to do things the network way, but damn it all, this was awful. It's hard to believe that with her mad jungle skillz Danielle would have been taken out by the boaties. I also hate that they sent her off with the knowledge that she's failed to protect her daughter- that's the last way Danielle would want to go. And I want the flashback! I know her story can be told through others, but it won't be the same. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!

[ZIA]

You have no idea how frakkin pissed I am right now. :mad:


I bet you're as frakkin' pissed as I am. Dammit! They really killed Danielle.

[mallrat]

You never know... the last thing we see this season might be a room filled with Charlie, Ecko, Danielle... all drinking coffee.

But I felt Ecko's death was much more upsetting... I guess he wanted off the show. Danielle's death did seem odd and sudden.

Also, why didn't the monster killed half the army?

[lachme]

to paraphrase from my second favorite show--

TPTB are bastard-covered bastards with bastard filling.*




*note to lost-tv admins-- if the word "bastard" is allowed on scrubs, you shouldn't have to edit it out here.

[Peggy Sawyer]

But I felt Ecko's death was much more upsetting... I guess he wanted off the show.

At least Eko had a full episode of his own to go out with. The demise of the inimitable Danielle was a five-minute footnote on someone else's.

[Hatebox]

I have to agree with the more cynical viewers: Danielle had become a first season relic they didn't know what to do with. Hearing her recording in the pilot is still one of my favorite moments on the show but she had become too much of an anomaly with the ensuing storyline.

I'm sure we'll see her in someone else's flash back though. I'm bored of the idea of yet more ghosts so I hope that isn't the route they take.

[Peggy Sawyer]

I'm glad they didn't consider Aaron a first-season relic and discard his storyline just because it was a nuisance.

[RadioDave]

You know you've spent too much time on the Lost forums when.....

You see a dead and buried Danielle and your first thought is "Wow Truffula is gonna be pissed"

Thoughts are prayers are with both Danielle and Truff!
*sits and waits patiently for a flashback*

[RangerMel]

I will never forgive them for this. :mad:

I liked the way Danielle would just show upfor an episode here and there. Plus, they promised us a flashback! Liars! :mad:

[Bluesharpie]

2.20.07: Lost Official Podcast The producers: Rousseau may pop up in another character's flashback.

7.26.07: Comic Con The producers: Rousseau will get a flashback at some point in Season 4 or Season 5 but it needs to synchronize with the rest of the story


No worries! It's coming!

For being such an epic character though, she died in a pretty anti-climactic way. She deserved more!

Moderator note: Please review the guidelines concerning spoilers. -TPTP

[Chisato Geeste]

Terrible end to one of the most potentially interesting characters on the show. Complete and utter waste. May as well just kill off the remaining girls and have Kate skip about in a bikini as any interesting female characters are sure to be killed off without a thought.

They may say we will find out about her past but I don't believe them. Appears they lied to Mira Furlan about the future of her character too.

[LOST lunatic]

You know you've spent too much time on the Lost forums when.....

You see a dead and buried Danielle and your first thought is "Wow Truffula is gonna be pissed"

That was my first thought too!! I was going to holler at him for giving me the hope that she was indeed alive but I feel as bad and mad as he does so I let it pass. Sorry Truf! I thought maybe you had some inside info !! I think it stinks.

[Crow T. Robot]

May as well just kill off the remaining girls and have Kate skip about in a bikini

Spectacular idea.

[sgtdraino]

*contains wrath*
You have no idea how frakkin pissed I am right now. :mad:

NO! No! Why the f*@!$#?!

this... this was just not right for me.

TPTB really cut deep with this horrible horrible ending to this character.

There were so many possibilities with her character when introduced it feels like a total letdown

and they didnt even kill her a cool way, just a fricken dart from 100 feet. she should at least have gone out guns blazin

We had to pause the show for wailing and gnashing of teeth. I am pissed. I've let so much go because I think the writers and creators have generally done a fabulous job in the face of having to do things the network way, but damn it all, this was awful. It's hard to believe that with her mad jungle skillz Danielle would have been taken out by the boaties. I also hate that they sent her off with the knowledge that she's failed to protect her daughter- that's the last way Danielle would want to go. And I want the flashback! I know her story can be told through others, but it won't be the same. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!

I bet you're as frakkin' pissed as I am. Dammit! They really killed Danielle.

At least Eko had a full episode of his own to go out with. The demise of the inimitable Danielle was a five-minute footnote on someone else's.

I will never forgive them for this. :mad:

I liked the way Danielle would just show upfor an episode here and there. Plus, they promised us a flashback! Liars! :mad:

For being such an epic character though, she died in a pretty anti-climactic way. She deserved more!

I'd like to echo each and every one of the sentiments expressed here. This was the most disapointing moment of the entire series, to me.

Terrible end to one of the most potentially interesting characters on the show. Complete and utter waste. <snip>

They may say we will find out about her past but I don't believe them. Appears they lied to Mira Furlan about the future of her character too.

Yes, supposedly TPTB told Mira Furlan when she was shooting her scene that her character was not dead. I guess that's not a spoiler anymore, with what we've now been shown.

I'm hoping she is still alive somehow. There is just no way it's true. No way.

I am probably in denial myself, but I still have the faintest glimmer of hope. Does this random face in the dirt look anything like Danielle?

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=113623&fullsize=1

It doesn't to me. To me it looks more like Alex, if it looks like anybody. Neither Miles nor Sawyer actually says that the body is Danielle's. Miles asks Sawyer if that is the French lady, and Sawyer doesn't answer. My one hope is that The Island strangeness has buried Alex and Karl together, and Danielle is still walking around somewhere.

[carmela]

I am probably in denial myself, but I still have the faintest glimmer of hope. Does this random face in the dirt look anything like Danielle?

It doesn't to me.

That's exactly what I thought as well. (I thought I was over-thinking) Of course, it could just be another bad "prop" as we have seen so often. But it doesn't look at all like Danielle!

I still think she is done, sadly. TPTB seemed to have lost track of her character over the years. She would pop into a few episodes, do something cool and disappear back into the jungle. Guess we will never find out the truth about her arrival on the island...just like Yemi and the drug plane.

[Cranky]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooo oo
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO




This is worse than Libby's death. :mad:

[LOST lunatic]

I am probably in denial myself, but I still have the faintest glimmer of hope. Does this random face in the dirt look anything like Danielle?

No, not at all. I just posted in another thread that it almost looks like a guy.
*keeps fingers crossed*

[Shortcake]

I didn't think it looked like her either. Not at all. And the way that no one actually aknowledged it was her gives me hope.

Yet- why would Miles have said anything about the french woman? Unless he doesn't speak to ghosts so much as he speaks to energy- and she may have left an imprint of very sad energy in that place. Pretty New-agey, but alot of the show seems to be.

I guess for me the jury is still out.

[Verite Garde]

Why would they bother to bury the bodies? Strange.

.... and leave their faces showing. Bizarre.

[RoseArienh]

You know what -- why would Miles say something about "the French woman" if he were really picking up Danielle's vibes? He named Karl by name. If I remember correctly, Sawyer provider the name Danielle. Surely, Danielle doesn't think of herself as "the French woman."

I may be grasping at straws, but I still have hope.

[LOST lunatic]

and leave their faces showing

.....so they could still breathe.

[Verite Garde]

You know what -- why would Miles say something about "the French woman" if he were really picking up Danielle's vibes? He named Karl by name. If I remember correctly, Sawyer provider the name Danielle. Surely, Danielle doesn't think of herself as "the French woman."

I may be grasping at straws, but I still have hope.

Sorry. Myles said, "Who's Carl and Danielle?" and Sawyer said, "You mean the French woman?".

The face of the corpse certainly bore no resemblance to Danielle and that is just plain either irresponsible continuity or a message to us that's she's not dead.

Franky, I'm shocked about both her and Alex being dead. To me they are both key characters.

If Ben and Desmond can time travel then I'm thinking they can go back and change the course of events.

[RoseArienh]

*weeps*
Thanks, Verite, even though you broke my heart all over again.

[Verite Garde]

*weeps*
Thanks, Verite, even though you broke my heart all over again.

I'm sorry. I have loved Danielle from the beginning. I love her tragic demeanor and survival abilities. She was a good woman and I yearned for a back story on her, too.

If she really is dead for good, it sucks and I disapprove of the decision by TPTB.

[3519273540]

They mentioned on a podcast that we would find out in this episode (4.10) whether or not Danielle and Karl were alive. I think they are dead, guys, sorry.

[Donger]

Long time lurker, first time poster...decided to use a Sawyerism from the last episode....anyway:

I found it odd that Danielle and Karl were buried. I do not think the freighter army guys would bother, so, based on that, I see two possibilities:

1. Hurley, Locke, and Ben came across them and decided to bury them.

or

2. Danielle is still alive, and felt the need to bury Alex and Karl together, so she brought Alex from the camp to there, despite being shot. Maybe made her way back to camp just after Locke's crew, Smokie, and the army left.


The poster mentioning it looked more like Alex than Danielle got my creative juices flowing. And, the fact I would love to see Danielle, after burying her daughter, to look up, pissed, dirty and bloody, cock the gun, and head off to do some major damage. We'll see...

[RoseArienh]

And, the fact I would love to see Danielle, after burying her daughter, to look up, pissed, dirty and bloody, cock the gun, and head off to do some major damage. We'll see...
:yeah: From your mouth to TPTB's ears.

[MagneticLocke]

I mentioned this in another thread, but I doubt this is the last we see of either. We may get a post-mortem flashback at some point in the next couple of seasons. Either that, or maybe there is someone still alive who was on the boat with Danielle. It's also possible that the boat was lured in and we could see it through the individual that brought them on.

[Verite Garde]

Let's not forget the fact that both desmond and Ben (that we know of) can time travel so why is it unthinkable that they could go back in time and change the course of events and bring back any dead character in the future?

Just saying....

[SanityAmongstChaos]

I mentioned this in another thread, but I doubt this is the last we see of either. We may get a post-mortem flashback at some point in the next couple of seasons. Either that, or maybe there is someone still alive who was on the boat with Danielle. It's also possible that the boat was lured in and we could see it through the individual that brought them on.
When Miles uncovered Danielle's body, I was sure that her long-awaited backstory was going to be delivered through him. But no.

Does anyone know what Miles was hearing? It sounded like he heard echoes of Alex shouting when Carl was shot. I thought that might be where he got the names. Did Alex call out Danielle's name when she was shot?

[Chisato Geeste]

TPTP give Rose/Bernard and Paulo/Nikki flashbaks yet nothing at all for Rousseau before she goes?? Seriously, WTF?

She can go join Libby as characters sacrificed on a last minute whim. It is seriouly irritating being strung along by a character and then getting zero pay off. I'm certain this won't be the last time this will happen.

My money is on Richard to go next after triping over his laces and hitting his head on a tree stump during a leisurly stroll across the island. Or Charlotte getting a terrible bout of diarrhea and returning to England, never to be mentioned again.

[Verite Garde]

When Miles uncovered Danielle's body, I was sure that her long-awaited backstory was going to be delivered through him. But no.

Does anyone know what Miles was hearing? It sounded like he heard echoes of Alex shouting when Carl was shot. I thought that might be where he got the names. Did Alex call out Danielle's name when she was shot?

Yes, Miles could hear what happened when they were ambushed. I don't think Danielle's name was mentioned or Carl's, though. He picked it up on a psychic level.

[djsunyc]

who buried them? ghosts on the island? lapidus?

[nfordlostmm]

Let's not forget the fact that both desmond and Ben (that we know of) can time travel so why is it unthinkable that they could go back in time and change the course of events and bring back any dead character in the future?


My theory is that "The Rule" is that anyone Ben/Widmore knows from their (B/W's) trips to the future to be alive in the future cannot be killed in present day 2004, and anyone known (in the future) to have died in the past (present-day 2004, actually) cannot be kept alive (not for long, anyway).


This means that Ben was not worried about Alex getting killed because he had seen her in the future, so "everything is under control" (he tells her), but oops... somebody changed The Rule.


This could also explain the importance to Ben of the lists of survivors -- knowing who must be kept alive (the "innocents"?) and who is expendable.

[Murky Majare]

Almost a game stopper for me to be honest.

Not so much that they killed a fan fav. character, but that TPTB basically has outright lied to us... *again*.

They promised us that we would get to see Danielle's backstory since Season 1... and unless they cheat (lie?) about how they use their flashbacks/forwards, we will never learn anything of her and her team.

I'm tired of all their promises, which they just do not even remotely keep. Ooooh... big reveal that you did not expect... that is something inside the hatch... tada! And the awful truth about the season 3, part 1 ending which was proclaimed to "be the best cliffhanger evva"... (Go, watch BSG season 1 ending or something, Mr. and Mrs. TPTB).

We've been promised for 2 years now to learn more about the toe-challanged statue, and I honestly have lost my excitment about it. Gonna feel "it's about time" when... (if?)... we finally do, and not a "wow, this story is great"

Same with the monster... which apparently we were going to learn something new about the last episode... personally I saw a black cloud which, well, did what it had done *all* other times we've seen it. Clutter around attacking everyone. (Or in the case with Eko.. take pictures). (Which reminds me... we were *so* going to learn stuff about those images also, we were told back when that episode aired... did not happen).

Same with the numbers, what happened to the plane... Dharma..etc.etc.

(Oh... and I am pissed that they kill off my favorite character like that...)

[3519273540]

Same with the monster... which apparently we were going to learn something new about the last episode... personally I saw a black cloud which, well, did what it had done *all* other times we've seen it. Clutter around attacking everyone. (Or in the case with Eko.. take pictures). (Which reminds me... we were *so* going to learn stuff about those images also, we were told back when that episode aired... did not happen).


We learned that there is a way to summon it (via Ben's secret secret room).

[MagneticLocke]

Same with the monster... which apparently we were going to learn something new about the last episode... personally I saw a black cloud which, well, did what it had done *all* other times we've seen it. Clutter around attacking everyone. (Or in the case with Eko.. take pictures). (Which reminds me... we were *so* going to learn stuff about those images also, we were told back when that episode aired... did not happen).

Same with the numbers, what happened to the plane... Dharma..etc.etc.

(Oh... and I am pissed that they kill off my favorite character like that...)

So, why didn't you help us out and let us all know that Ben had control of the smoke-monster before last week? We could have used it in some of the theories threads.

Relax, the series isn't over. We hadn't heard anything about Aaron for 2 years before last night. Clearly, it is still a storyline they consider important and that they will be addressing.

[qch13]

Let it go people. She was always a minor character. Minor to the plot of Lost. Sure, I know some other minor characters got flashbacks ( Rose, Bernard, Nikki, Paulo) but that was before TPTB and ABC decided when to end the show, so now they have to focus on the major characters and plot.

[Alice500]

It is a shame to lose Danielle, but as other posters have pointed out, her story messes up the timeline.

It was a lousy way for her to go. She deserved a better ending.

[Houkou]

It was a hell of a way to make sure the viewers knew she was dead for certain, I'll give them that. ;)

[Mojo Pin]

I believe in the theory that Danielle is Ben's Annie, and that we will be learning more about her in a Ben flashback.

[Jackface]

You know what -- why would Miles say something about "the French woman" if he were really picking up Danielle's vibes? He named Karl by name. If I remember correctly, Sawyer provider the name Danielle. Surely, Danielle doesn't think of herself as "the French woman."

I may be grasping at straws, but I still have hope.

Is everyone forgetting that Miles can hear the dead speak? He did it in this episode. He can also talk to the dead (i.e. his flashback).

[RoseArienh]

Is everyone forgetting that Miles can hear the dead speak? He did it in this episode. He can also talk to the dead (i.e. his flashback).
No, I did not forget that. I was wrong, but not for that reason. I thought Miles was hearing "the French woman" but Verite Garde pointed out that I had it mixed up.

[Verite Garde]

I believe in the theory that Danielle is Ben's Annie, and that we will be learning more about her in a Ben flashback.

How can an American girl with an American accent grow up to be a French woman with a French accent?

[Jackface]

How can an American girl with an American accent grow up to be a French woman with a French accent?

It's an Eastern European accident! All the more strange! :nanabobo:

[yoyoj06]

i think we are left with this question

bad prop for danielle?
or
danielle not dead

also the poster that mentioned "the rule", that theory makes a lot of sense. maybe Ben saw alex in the future and didn't worry, so when Keamy killed Alex, the rule was changed and a paradox of sorts will happen

[saladdays]

Deaths were getting too predictable for me. This one was not predictable. I for one am fine with it for reasons most like-minded (with me) posters have said.

[Chunga]

That was probably TPTB's way of telling the fans that yes, they're both dead. Unfortunately.

On a related note, it's about damn time that Miles started using his abilities on the Island. I hope to see more of it.

I dunno, just seeing their bodies would've been proof enough.

Maybe Keamy's team were just covering their tracks, maybe it's something more sinister.

[keepthefaith]

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=113623&fullsize=1

It doesn't to me. To me it looks more like Alex, if it looks like anybody. Neither Miles nor Sawyer actually says that the body is Danielle's. Miles asks Sawyer if that is the French lady, and Sawyer doesn't answer. My one hope is that The Island strangeness has buried Alex and Karl together, and Danielle is still walking around somewhere.[/quote]


Yes, and Danielle being the one who buried the bodies and buried them together makes MUCH more sense...

[RoseArienh]

Oh my goodness, Faith, you are giving me renewed hope. I like that a lot.

[LPU]

If it wasn't Danielle wouldn't Miles have heard Alex's "voice from beyond?"

[RoseArienh]

LPU, please do not talk sense in the middle of my desperate fantasy. :p

[Chunga]

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=113623&fullsize=1

It doesn't to me. To me it looks more like Alex, if it looks like anybody. Neither Miles nor Sawyer actually says that the body is Danielle's. Miles asks Sawyer if that is the French lady, and Sawyer doesn't answer. My one hope is that The Island strangeness has buried Alex and Karl together, and Danielle is still walking around somewhere.


Yes, and Danielle being the one who buried the bodies and buried them together makes MUCH more sense...

Sorry to burst your bubble, but:

Danielle was shot herself. She would have to spend time healing.

If she was alive, would she even know Alex was shot? That all happened at the village.

She would have to carry Alex all the way back to where they were attacked. Not long after taking a bullet herself.

She would at least bury them properly, not leave their faces poking out of the ground.

[Bernard]

*** Announcement ***

for the purpose of accurate bureaucratic record keeping -- will all of the former members of the, "Danielle's not Dead" caucus please raise their hands for their names to be marked down in the, 'book of failed dreams'

[time is a river]

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=113623&fullsize=1

It doesn't to me. To me it looks more like Alex, if it looks like anybody. Neither Miles nor Sawyer actually says that the body is Danielle's. Miles asks Sawyer if that is the French lady, and Sawyer doesn't answer. My one hope is that The Island strangeness has buried Alex and Karl together, and Danielle is still walking around somewhere.


Yes, and Danielle being the one who buried the bodies and buried them together makes MUCH more sense...[/quote]

Actually that face in the pic does not look like anyone to me. But I had a really strange thought? What is if Alex is Danielle? Maybe that was her real name. Maybe Alex is the name that Ben gave her? Why was there that interchange with people using different names? Alex is not a French woman. Maybe it is a mix-up.

Or . . . maybe there is something stranger going on. Could the characters we know as Danielle and Alex be the same person?

Well, this is probably all completely crazy.

[LOST lunatic]

*** Announcement ***

for the purpose of accurate bureaucratic record keeping -- will all of the former members of the, "Danielle's not Dead" caucus please raise their hands for their names to be marked down in the, 'book of failed dreams'


Dang-it.......

*raises hand*
albeit relunctantly

[RoseArienh]

*** Announcement ***

for the purpose of accurate bureaucratic record keeping -- will all of the former members of the, "Danielle's not Dead" caucus please raise their hands for their names to be marked down in the, 'book of failed dreams'
You know, it just cracks me up that you combine that statement with that quote in your sig. I rather think A.E. would've approved of our stance. :)

*raises hand proudly*

If I'm wrong, well, I've been wrong before, it's liberating to not have to be right. :D

[Chunga]

Maybe the face in the ground was Annie?

[Houkou]

Maybe the face in the ground was Annie?

Jacob or Smokie in the form of Annie? :p

[Verite Garde]

It's an Eastern European "accident" (huh?)! All the more strange!

The only thing strange is .... um .... your post.

The fact is she's supposed to have been French so your comment is moot.

[3519273540]

The only thing strange is .... um .... your post.

The fact is she's supposed to have been French so your comment is moot.

I think it was a joke. D&C have joked about Mira Furlan being an Eastern European "French" woman many times.

[lrob]

http://z.about.com/d/lost/1/0/r/V/-/-/alex_danielle.jpg

[Verite Garde]

I think it was a joke. D&C have joked about Mira Furlan being an Eastern European "French" woman many times.

Oh, see? I'm out of the loop. All I know is I love her.

[Verite Garde]

http://z.about.com/d/lost/1/0/r/V/-/-/alex_danielle.jpg



:cry:

[RoseArienh]

Great picture, lrob, thank you. But it makes me weep, too. :cry:

[lrob]

I will miss them.

RIP

[RoseArienh]

I'm making myself miserable. I just thought that if Danielle is really dead, thank all that's holy that she got to see and talk to Alex first. :weeping:

[lrob]

I wish we could have gotten a back story on Danielle though.

[RoseArienh]

I'm still counting on her backstory, darn it!

lrob, hHow do you like what I did with the pic you shared? Approve?

[yoyoj06]

irob, i think most of us do. this is just such an unfortunate event

[lrob]

aw rose!

that's so pretty! *tears*

[villana81]

I can't believe they confirmed she was dead like that :( the poor woman survived all those years in the island with the others, couldn't find her daughter and just found her to finally die, well I guess if she knew Alex was dead she wouldn't have had a reason to live :weeping:

[AChristianShephard]

In a way i kinda like how they topped Danielle.

It was quite realistic, i mean, don't matter how badass you are, once someone has your number, it's good night.

And another brave desicion by the writers, always keeping you on your toes, i mean who would of predicted?

R.I.P. mad crazy French woman with no flashback... :wave2:

[Bernard]

You know, it just cracks me up that you combine that statement with that quote in your sig. I rather think A.E. would've approved of our stance. :)

*raises hand proudly*

If I'm wrong, well, I've been wrong before, it's liberating to not have to be right. :D

"I rather think A.E. would've approved of our stance. "

all I can say is, A.E. and I both know that (for us) energy can neither be created nor destroyed -- so, yeah, he would agree - and he would also agree with me that Danielle is still not really dead - surely, the concept of death on our island has ill-defined boundaries --- but gone is one of my hopes, that a final shootout between good and evil would see Rousseau showing up at a critical juncture and in the 'nick of time,' to aid the rebel alliance in the final destruction of the Borg/Cylon Empire ... well, you know what I mean

and surely, I loved her as much as anyone else here -- so, don't fault me for poking fun at those who know the game

[RoseArienh]

Bernard, I didn't mean to offend.:) But I did laugh, the two seemed incongruous to me.

So do you think Danielle is dead or not? I am now confused, because I got the impression that you think she is dead.

[SunshineRecorder]

I am still holding out some hope that Danielle is not dead. I like the earlier theory of maybe its Alex.

I rewatched the episode and when Miles uncovers the face he says "Is this your french woman?" and Sawyer doesn't say anything. Then Miles goes on to uncover more of the other body and Sawyer actually says "Carl" to that. Subtle but maybe the lack of an official comment is important.

[Bernard]

Bernard, I didn't mean to offend.:) But I did laugh, the two seemed incongruous to me.

So do you think Danielle is dead or not? I am now confused, because I got the impression that you think she is dead.

I think she is dead.

I don't like it and I don't care that they will have her come back as some kind of projection to reveal an important message --- I wanted her to be part of the final victory and not sitting on the side line with Obiwan

[sgtdraino]

I mentioned this in another thread, but I doubt this is the last we see of either. We may get a post-mortem flashback at some point in the next couple of seasons. Either that, or maybe there is someone still alive who was on the boat with Danielle. It's also possible that the boat was lured in and we could see it through the individual that brought them on.

All true, but still lame. Danielle was one of the most interesting characters they had, and there was still plenty more they could have done with her. They should have made Mira a regular cast member, she's that good.

who buried them? ghosts on the island? lapidus?

The way they were buried was bizarre. Not quite human. I believe they were buried by The Island.

Danielle was shot herself. She would have to spend time healing.

Do we know that Danielle was actually shot? Certainly a bullet hit her, but I didn't see any blood. It could have struck her pack, and she could have been knocked unconscious.

What is if Alex is Danielle? Maybe that was her real name. Maybe Alex is the name that Ben gave her?

No, Danielle has called her Alex since Season 1, before she knew her daughter still lived. Alex's full name was Alexandra.

Sorry. Myles said, "Who's Carl and Danielle?" and Sawyer said, "You mean the French woman?".

Does anyone know what Miles was hearing? It sounded like he heard echoes of Alex shouting when Carl was shot. I thought that might be where he got the names. Did Alex call out Danielle's name when she was shot?

Here is the actual scene:

Miles: (Hears indistinct sounds of the attack on Karl, Danielle, and Alex.)

Sawyer: What.

Miles: Who's Danielle and Karl?

Claire: You mean Rousseau? The French woman?

Miles (locates a body partially buried in the dirt, its face visible) Is this your French woman?

Sawyer: (Says nothing. Looks intense, and maybe confused or disbelieving)

Miles: (locates another body, reveals its uncovered face)

Sawyer (Recognition): Karl. How'd you know they were down there?

Miles: (Just stares silently)

Sawyer: Your buddies do this?

Miles: They're not my buddies, man. (Gestures at the ground) I didn't sign up for this.

Claire: Can we just get out of here, please? Can we just go?

Sawyer: Yeah, yeah of course.

*** Announcement ***

for the purpose of accurate bureaucratic record keeping -- will all of the former members of the, "Danielle's not Dead" caucus please raise their hands

I raise my hand as a former, and... are you ready for it... current member of the "Danielle's not Dead" caucus! :) I know it's a long shot, but if I'm ultimately proven right, I will get one of the biggest "I told you so"s in history!!!

My case is as follows:

1. TPTB told Mira when shooting the attack scene that her character, Danielle, was not dead. (Not bothering to tag this, as I really doubt anyone is going to believe at this point that the body in the ground was not hers. If you disagree, mods, tag away.)

2. The body in the ground looks nothing like Danielle. It does, however, look like Alex. Judge for yourself:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v450/sgtdraino/Lost/Danielle-AlexComparison.jpg

3. No one positively identifies the body as Danielle's. Miles asks if that is her (when you'd think he'd know), and Sawyer only stares and says nothing. Karl, on the other hand, is recognized immediately.

Here is what I postulate happened:

Danielle was not seriously wounded, and may have only been knocked unconscious. The bullet may have simply impacted her pack. The Kommandos had a prize and were in a hurry, so they left her for dead. At some point she woke up, saw Karl's body, and wandered into the jungle looking for her daughter.

The two bodies were not buried in any conventional way. There were no mounds of earth or signs of digging, and their faces were left uncovered. They look as though the earth simply tried to swallow them up. I believe The Island transported Alex's body to the location, with help from Smokey, and buried her with Karl, with its own odd sense of justice.

Miles' abilities seem focused on hearing things that normal people cannot. Hearing past sounds of violence, past words that were said, and hearing the dead talk to him. We've seen him gain knowledge by literally asking the dead questions, or bargaining with them. Here, Miles did not ask any questions. He simply talks about what he hears. And what does he say? "Who's Danielle and Karl?"

Now, it doesn't seem very likely to me that the dead would introduce themselves by name, especially without him questioning them. What does seem likely to me, is that in death, Alex is still consumed by her grief from losing her mother and her boyfriend. Those two names would be at the forefront of her thoughts and feelings. Thus, what Miles hears, is Alex. Alex, thinking about Danielle and Karl.

I believe this may be the biggest (and most successful) con TPTB have ever pulled. And it could all be revealed, plus Danielle's history, in her very own flashback episode whenever she gets done making that movie.

And what a surprise that would be! :)

[Verite Garde]

sgtdraino, I don't see why your explanation isn't as good any if not better.

I've learned to not merely believe what I see on LOST, not what we're told by the writers.

I want to believe she's still alive.

Is Mira shooting a movie?

[ZIA]

*** Announcement ***

for the purpose of accurate bureaucratic record keeping -- will all of the former members of the, "Danielle's not Dead" caucus please raise their hands for their names to be marked down in the, 'book of failed dreams'

Dammit!

*sigh*

*sadly raises hand*

That was one of the most horrifying tricks TPTB have played on us so far on LOST, imo.

[silversurfer]

Ok, so I was wondering if there was an interview yet with TPTB about the circumstances of Rousseau's death, if the actress was leaving, and why they decided to "off" her. We usually get to hear these things from them after a character goes and it is usually comforting. Does anyone know if they've talked?

Also, maybe it's a good thing that they haven't talked and Sgt. Draino's theory is correct. Rousseau lives!!!!

[AceOfDiamonds]

What pisses me off isn't the fact that Danielle died (really, I actually liked the concept of a popular characater getting offed at a spilt second when we least expected it...it was at least a change of pace from the predictability of Boone, Shannon, Eko and N+P.)

It's the fact that Danielle died before we got a single flashback episode for her.

Seriously, if Danielle got a centric episode in say Season Three, or even earlier this season, and then she died right now in this past episode, I wouldn't have minded at all. I would have been sad to see Danielle go, but given that Danielle was reunited with her daughter and given that we would have hypothetically seen the flashback of her ill-fated expedition (which would have likely revealed some delicious mythology along the way,) I would have understood why it happened.

But we didn't get that damned flashback. And that's what upsets me about this. Danielle could have died a thousand gruesome ways after she had her centric episode and I wouldn't have minded. But Mira Furlan got robbed here, and we as viewers got robbed; we deserved some further insight into Danielle before she was offed.

[truffula]

*** Announcement ***

for the purpose of accurate bureaucratic record keeping -- will all of the former members of the, "Danielle's not Dead" caucus please raise their hands for their names to be marked down in the, 'book of failed dreams'
No soup for you. :mad:

;)


And Sarge, you rock. :D

[Mojo Pin]

How can an American girl with an American accent grow up to be a French woman with a French accent?

Brainwashed, I suppose? Who knows? Anything could've happened in those 20-30 years; it's Lost world, after all, and even the most absurd of probabilities are plausible. :) I'm still keeping my mind open for the possibility.

[Bernard]

No soup for you. :mad:

;)


And Sarge, you rock. :D
oh well, I see special tonight is dirt soup, so, no thanks anyway, I'll just sit here and watch you eat:stirthepot2:

[Peggy Sawyer]

I can't help but wonder what David Fury must think of the show these days. He wrote four first season episodes, including "Solitary" (the one that introduced Danielle), "Numbers" and "Special." So far TPTB have killed off Danielle without any elaboration, the Numbers have been addressed only in TLE (lamely, at that) and Walt may never see his promise fulfilled. Fury, who also wrote "Walkabout," should be furious at how completely his former associates have ditched his brilliant concepts.

[drabauer]

Yes, I agree!

[DarthKitty]

I pretty much agree with the possibility of the scenario posted by sgtdraino.

Where my scenario differs is where Danielle wanders off to find Alex only to find her dead body at the barracks. Imo, that would be the first place she would look for her because that is where Ben was when they last saw him. It makes sense that Keamy & Co. would take her there to bargain with Ben. Once she finds her body, she carries her to the site where she a Carl is and buries the young lovebirds together.

I sincerely hope that's how it goes down.

[3519273540]

I can't help but wonder what David Fury must think of the show these days. He wrote four first season episodes, including "Solitary" (the one that introduced Danielle), "Numbers" and "Special." So far TPTB have killed off Danielle without any elaboration, the Numbers have been addressed only in TLE (lamely, at that) and Walt may never see his promise fulfilled. Fury, who also wrote "Walkabout," should be furious at how completely his former associates have ditched his brilliant concepts.

It's worth noting that they "break" the stories for each episode as a group. Thus, he does not get sole credit for the plots of those episodes. If anything, he gets more credit for the dialogue in those episodes. For example, I recall hearing that Locke's wheelchair plot was Damon L's idea.

[moonshadow707]

Long time lurker, first time poster...decided to use a Sawyerism from the last episode....anyway:

I found it odd that Danielle and Karl were buried. I do not think the freighter army guys would bother, so, based on that, I see two possibilities:

1. Hurley, Locke, and Ben came across them and decided to bury them.

or

2. Danielle is still alive, and felt the need to bury Alex and Karl together, so she brought Alex from the camp to there, despite being shot. Maybe made her way back to camp just after Locke's crew, Smokie, and the army left.


The poster mentioning it looked more like Alex than Danielle got my creative juices flowing. And, the fact I would love to see Danielle, after burying her daughter, to look up, pissed, dirty and bloody, cock the gun, and head off to do some major damage. We'll see...
I like option #2. You've given me hope that Danielle is not really gone. And Rousseau on a rampage of revenge would be something to see.
(BTW - welcome, Donger!)


And if she is dead, this bears repeating:
to paraphrase from my second favorite show--

TPTB are bastard-covered bastards with bastard filling.*




*note to lost-tv admins-- if the word "bastard" is allowed on scrubs, you shouldn't have to edit it out here.
And they deserve solid elbow-whacks to their lying faces.

Danielle is too frikkin' awesome to be killed off in such a wimpy way. She deserves better. Much, much better.

[Verite Garde]

I pretty much agree with the possibility of the scenario posted by sgtdraino.

Where my scenario differs is where Danielle wanders off to find Alex only to find her dead body at the barracks. Imo, that would be the first place she would look for her because that is where Ben was when they last saw him. It makes sense that Keamy & Co. would take her there to bargain with Ben. Once she finds her body, she carries her to the site where she a Carl is and buries the young lovebirds together.

I sincerely hope that's how it goes down.

I think Danielle would have buried her daughter properly and all the way so vultures wouldn't descend to peck out her eyes, don't you?

Who buries the dead and keeps their faces exposed?

UNLESS!!!!!!

Whoever buried them left their faces exposed so they don't sufficate? Which means they aren't dead? Do zombies need oxygen?

[DarthKitty]

Not necessarily. She could have been in a hurry so as not to be seen by Keamy & Co. It would take a long time for one person to dig 2 graves deep enough to have them completely covered.

But, I'm just wishful thinking. I know that the possibility of her being alive is very low. I am a hopeful person, though. :)

[LOST lunatic]

sgtdraino, thank you for the pictures. I was hoping someone would do that so we can compare. I said from the beginning it does not look like Danielle. I hope she is still alive.

The middle picture has more of a heart shape like Alex' face. When I cover them up for comparison it really does look more like ALex. I'd say 95%

[rknorton91]

Boy I would be so happy if Danielle was still alive. I can only hang on to that brief bit of hope.

But man she is gonna be one ticked off mom if it does turn out she is alive. Much like Patton I almost feel sorry for the poor bastard Keamy

[sgtdraino]

I think Danielle would have buried her daughter properly and all the way so vultures wouldn't descend to peck out her eyes, don't you?

Agreed.

Who buries the dead and keeps their faces exposed?

The Island, apparently. ;)

UNLESS!!!!!!

Whoever buried them left their faces exposed so they don't sufficate?

The dead can't suffocate.

Which means they aren't dead? Do zombies need oxygen?

No, they don't. Trust me on that one.

My take on the faces being exposed, is that it is The Island's equivalent of leaving a tombstone. If they had been completely buried, no one would ever know anyone was there, or who they were.

No human being would ever bury someone like that. It doesn't make sense. Even if the job was done in a hurry, to hide the bodies, the diggers still would have at least covered the faces up with a thin layer of dirt, to hide them better.

So, whatever buried them was not capable of leaving an identifying marker, and was not burying them in order to hide them. Therefore, they were buried as best as possible, but with their faces exposed for identification.

[sgtdraino]

Miles' abilities seem focused on hearing things that normal people cannot. Hearing past sounds of violence, past words that were said, and hearing the dead talk to him. We've seen him gain knowledge by literally asking the dead questions, or bargaining with them. Here, Miles did not ask any questions. He simply talks about what he hears. And what does he say? "Who's Danielle and Karl?"

Now, it doesn't seem very likely to me that the dead would introduce themselves by name, especially without him questioning them. What does seem likely to me, is that in death, Alex is still consumed by her grief from losing her mother and her boyfriend. Those two names would be at the forefront of her thoughts and feelings. Thus, what Miles hears, is Alex. Alex, thinking about Danielle and Karl.

MILES: What I do has nothing to do with chatting with ghosts you nitwit. It's a feeling, a sense. When somebody's dead their brain stops functioning which means there's no more talking. They're just who they were and whatever they knew before they died.

More support for this longshot theory? Miles senses the presence of the bodies, asks Sawyer "who are Danielle and Karl?" Sawyer identifies one of the bodies as Karl, but the other body is never positively identified.

[Captain]

If only Miles stuck around and asked more specific questions...:rolleyez:

[RangerMel]

More support for this longshot theory? Miles senses the presence of the bodies, asks Sawyer "who are Danielle and Karl?" Sawyer identifies one of the bodies as Karl, but the other body is never positively identified.
Stop trying to get my hopes up, draino. :mad: