What's the deal with the model numbers?

[John]

The 1's, 4's, and 5's ally against the 2's, 6's, and 8's, with a 3 on the side. That's 1's, 2's, 3's, 4's, 5's, 6's and 8's, leaving the final five being model 7, 9, 10, 11, and 12 as the final five. Why the skip in the numbers?

What model is which?

we know that:

1 = Cavil
2 = Leoben
3 = D'anna
4 = Simon
5 = Doral
6 = Caprica / Natalie
7 = ?
8 = Boomer / Sharon
9 = ?
10 = ?
11 = ?
12 = ?

So where do Tory, Anders, Tyrol, and Tigh fall in the remaining five positions? Which will be the final model to be revealed?

[jaystao]

Yea, by this logic Sharon was possibly designed before the 7 model (maybe suggesting why she seems the most sympathetic to humanity).

Also recall what Boomer said when being interagated by Gais - there are 8 hidden models in the fleet (this was delving deep into her programming to save the cheif).

If they weren't including her then: Caval (as priest), D'anna (news reporter) and one more - possibly Doral (who blows up in S1) or Caprica (who shows up to implicate Guis in S1) - though more likely it simply includes Boomer.

I presume the remaining five are the final five.

Though of coarse she was possibly just fibbing.

[cinderellabop]

Keep in mind, also, however, that Anders was not in the fleet all along. He was stuck back on Caprica.

I've wondered about the model numbers as well, and why Sharon was number 8 and not 7. But I have no theories as to what significance, if any, there is in the model numbers.

[vincentstuntdbl#23]

It seems like the 'final five' were older than the current models (?). Also, how are they gonna explain the ancient's (Temple of 5) knowledge of the 'final 5'. Maybe it has something to do with the hybrids statement that 'all this has happened before and will happen again'. :Hippy:

[drabauer]

I would love to answer this TPTP, but it would involve nothing but spoiler tags, since that information was given out in interviews (not all of it, but some). I just don't have the energy for that right now.

[John]

That's ok, 'cause I don't really want to discuss spoilers. :) I was looking for what people think, not what they read.

[jaystao]

Love the tag/icon by the way Cinderallabop. Adama sure looks pleased.

Interesting point about Anders - maybe 8 cylons in the fleet was simply a number - irrelavent in the scheme of things.

Remember they have a 'plan'.

Which may or not include God's divine will.

... and something about death.

[Falco]

Well, there were 12 colonies and there are 12 cylon models. Someone on this board, can't remember who, keeps suggesting that we are going to see a 13th model before the end of the show.

[John]

I think a few of us expect a 13th, since there's a 13th colony.

Tigh just made a point of bringing another model about, so there we go. The question is whether that is the 13th or if we're long past that. I still have suspicions that we have more crossbreeds than we have been made aware.

[drabauer]

I have become somewhat obsessed with the mythology of this show, so for those who don't mind speculation mixed with other info, I found this interesting blog post called 13 hints to what we know about the final cylon (http://www.lisapaitzspindler.com/blog/2008/04/23/thirteen-hints-we-know-about-the-final-cylon), which assigns every model a number:

1- Brother Cavil
2- Leoben Conoy
3- D’Anna Biers
4- Simon
5- Aaron Doral
6- Caprica/Natalie/Shelly/Gina
7- ?
8- Sharon Valerii Agathon Boomer/Athena
9- Galen Tyrol
10- Samuel Anders
11- Saul Tigh
12- Tory Foster

[Dew]

That was an excellent read :thumbs_up

[John]

Too bad it's wrong.

[cinderellabop]

It's an interesting theory, but I don't quite buy it.

I definitely don't think it's Dualla. I like the mention of the possible meanings of her name, but I don't think she'd have enough impact. Furthermore, I don't see her being the strong, leader type that she would need to be if she was the final cylon. And I totally don't believe their theory about the one that D'Anna apologized to when she saw the faces of the final five. I'm more likely to think she was talking to Tigh, who suffered terribly at the hands of the seven on New Caprica.

They as much as admitted that their numbering was just a guess, but I do sort of like the idea of number 7 being the transitional one that still has to be revealed. It does seem that the next one should be a female, and if it isn't Roslin, I'm more inclined to believe it's someone already dead, such as Cally or Ellen. Still, I have a strong gut feeling about either Tom Zarek or Gaeta.

My sister's long been puzzled about the fact that the "four who live in secret" all have a T in their names: Tory, Tigh, Tyrol, and Samuel T. Anders (ever notice how often they say his full name on the show, and always add the T?). She can't figure out the significance of this, unless it is to point to the final Cylon--Tom Zarek?

Anyway, this was a good episode. Loved Roslin finally saying "I love you" to Adama. That was so sweet. But what was up with Baltar and his preaching to the centurion?

Oh, and best part of the episode? Almost no Lee. :)

[drabauer]

I agree with you on many points Cindy. And many have remarked on the T in the names of the four, although I personally don't think that's significant. I am leaning more toward the idea of gender and age parity for the final cylon (an older woman or a woman of color). In the spoiler below, you will find three items from interviews that have me scratching my head.

1. Moore remarking that it was someone we met in season 1 rules out Lampkin, and a few others. Although I can't find that reference, so I might be misremembering the comment.
2. At Dragon con Douglas said he was #12, but he may have been joking.
3. Douglas recently said that most of the guesses he saw on the internet for the final cylon were "way off base." Since everyone who ever had a role has been put forward by now, I'm not sure who it could be if it's someone we've met.

[John]

I was hoping that this thread would stay free of spoilers. Seems like that's not going to happen.

[cinderellabop]

I think most of this is still theoretical, and I posted mine in spoiler tags just because it related to the theory that drabauer linked to. But I don't personally think that any of that has any more truth to it than anything we've already said in this thread. The thing about these interviews is that they're often deliberately vague and can be interpreted in many different ways.

EDIT TO ADD: And by that, I mean that I wouldn't go about basing your entire theories on what was said in an interview. If I've learned anything from Cuselof, it's not to take too much stock in what the writers say in interviews.

[Warthawg1]

I'm obsessed with they mythology of the show as well, but I have decided to neither speculate, postulate, expectorate, or read anything spoilerish.

For me.. letting it unfold in front of me, and then only considering that which has been shown on screen is the way to go.

[drabauer]

As revealed by Ron Moore at Wednesday's screening of the midseason final:

The final five don't have model numbers.

[depictureboy]

As revealed by Ron Moore at Wednesday's screening of the midseason final:

The final five don't have model numbers.


1. Baltar is the leader most in need of redemption.
a. Giving six the codes and being responsible for human genocide
b. New Caprica (either by choice or not) collaborating with the cylons
c. Sleeping with Tory before I go the chance

2. If the final 5 do not have numbers, then we may actually have another unspoken boxed model, thus giving us 13 cylon models. There is no Model 7. Why would they skip this?


One of the things I dont get, why would the older models have higher numbers.

[Warthawg1]

Darn you people for posting spoilers... darn you all to heck!!!

Not reading spoilerish info is a struggle. I want to know, but then again I don't. I usually solve the problem by just having a rule to not ever go to
theory, speculation, or spoiler boards. If I never see it, then not clicking on it isn't an issue.


I've come to the conclusion that if a thread is going to evolve into a discussion of spoilers, and I see info spoiler tagged all over the place in this thread... then the thread needs to be moved to either the spoiler or the theory/speculation board.
I know.. I know... you spoiler people don't ever understand because you absolve yourself of responsibility by putting it in spoiler tags, but if the everyone is going to light up, then take it to the smoking room.

[John]

No, you're absolutely right, Warty. I asked for the spoiler material to stay out of the thread, but some people are only here to talk spoilers. At least they tag sometimes. regardless, I'm moving this thread.

[depictureboy]

Darn you people for posting spoilers... darn you all to heck!!!

Not reading spoilerish info is a struggle. I want to know, but then again I don't. I usually solve the problem by just having a rule to not ever go to
theory, speculation, or spoiler boards. If I never see it, then not clicking on it isn't an issue.


I've come to the conclusion that if a thread is going to evolve into a discussion of spoilers, and I see info spoiler tagged all over the place in this thread... then the thread needs to be moved to either the spoiler or the theory/speculation board.
I know.. I know... you spoiler people don't ever understand because you absolve yourself of responsibility by putting it in spoiler tags, but if the everyone is going to light up, then take it to the smoking room.


ima spoiler person, but I also agree with you warty.

[drabauer]

Sorry, but I still understand SPOILERS as information about what will be broadcast, and INTERVIEWS as just that. I spoiler tag them as that is the rule on this board, but it is the only one I've seen where interviews, podcasts, etc. are treated the same as information about upcoming eps.


I'm all jazzed about the online 2008 finale, but apparently we mustn't talk about it yet. Too bad, because I'm offline for awhile.

ETA: I understand everyone's frustration, but look at the title of this thread: it is a question that HAS NOT been answered within the body of the show. Ergo all the references to sources OUTSIDE the show. I guess we could guess based on their hair colors or favorite mannerisms ...

[John]

Sorry, but I still understand SPOILERS as information about what will be broadcast, and INTERVIEWS as just that. I spoiler tag them as that is the rule on this board, but it is the only one I've seen where interviews, podcasts, etc. are treated the same as information about upcoming eps.

I wasn't aware that interviews and podcasts appeared in the broadcast television show. If that's the case, then they are not spoiler. The handling of interviews and podcasts hasn't changed on the site. If you don't like it, there's not much that can be done about it. The stance on what is considered spoiler is not going to change. It works for here, and it has for years.


I'm all jazzed about the online 2008 finale, but apparently we mustn't talk about it yet. Too bad, because I'm offline for awhile.

Well you could be less dramatic and simply post a thread in the spoiler forum.

ETA: I understand everyone's frustration, but look at the title of this thread: it is a question that HAS NOT been answered within the body of the show. Ergo all the references to sources OUTSIDE the show. I guess we could guess based on their hair colors or favorite mannerisms ...

Back when I was in school, we called looking at the answers "cheating". It's more satisfying to work the problem without using outside sources. We call that "speculating".