EPISODE 4 DISCUSSION THREAD (13 October 2004): Walkabout

[Master Xander]

This is the discussion thread for tonight's LOST episode, "Walkabout." Please post all your episode comments, mini-reviews, as well as simple questions ("What did so-and-so say?" "What did so-and-so see?" "What song played at this scene?") regarding the episode.

Any new theories or big issues raised by the episode may be started on a new thread.

Enjoy tonight's episode!

[majjor matt]

Cant wait for this episode.

Read the write up about it on the main page.... Sounds great!

hehe...

[DomMonaghanFan]

WOW! I would have never guessed that as Locke's secret. He couldn't walk but now he can. Thats amazing. But how did he get the knives aboard? I didn't understand. He was lieing about not seeing "it". You could see how freaked he was.

Who was that guy Jack kept seeing? Is it supposed to be his father? I'm confused about that. WOW! What a great episode.

[azteclady]

I am upset beyond belief - there's not way Locke could have been paralyzed for four years and then suddenly start moving around the way he does, *unless* we accept supernatural forces (a miracle in the literal sense of the word). If we *do* accept that supernatural forces are at work here, then the show is not based entirely on science.

This will not make me stop watching the show, but I can't now take anything the writers/producers/actors at face value - everything they leak to the audience is calculated to misdirect us.

Beto

Edited to say that I got over it and I'm perfectly happy again :D

[JacksGirlfriend]

Awesome. Now we have more questions... just the way I like it.

JacksGirl

[born2fli]

man i felt really bad for charlie...
that look on his face after Boone accused Shannon of using him? that was the saddest thing i've ever seen...i wanted to jump through the screen and give him a huge hug. poor charlie...

[Frogs Taste Nasty]

Personally, I think they're all in a wickedly evil incarnate of "Office Space". Locke, you get them TPS reports yet?

Good episode. I'm going to bet that Locke didn't actually get the boar, but the "creature" did, and he just dragged it in.

[JacksGirlfriend]

Wow, Frogs, I didn't think of that. It's probably true. What do you think it was?

JacksGirl

[macrossranma]

same here, i think the boar was killed by the creature and Locke just take its credit

OR

the creature somehow posses Locke and hes not really Locke now and have superhuman strength? (hahaha, probably not for this one, watch too many superhero comics):rollin

[Professor Liam]

This episode left us with more questions than it answered. And I like it. :lol

Who is the mystery person Jack is seeing?
How did Locke survive his encounter with the creature?
Why did Locke have all those knives?
Did Locke actually kill the piglet or did the creature kill it and Lock dragged the carcass back to camp?
Is Rose's husband alive?

[lafar]

I agree that Locke did not kill the boar. His answer when asked about it was a bit hesitant.

But this just adds another complication to the "what is this thing" question. I've racked my brain and can't come up with anything plausible from the un-modified natural world.

However, if any of you have played the game "Far Cry"...

[Professor Liam]

I swear I heard that piglet squeal as if the creature had killed it just before Locke saw it.

[Professor Liam]

And it is looking more and more like they are going to pair Sun up with Michael.

[jocrli77]

I myself was wondering where all the materials came from that Sayid used to make all those radios. And I thought that the tranciever (sp?) batteries had died?

[eli255 Allen]

Poor Locke, locked in a cubicle, crunching numbers and living a fantasy life in his "spare" time.

This guy is a classic schizoid character. He lives for fantasy battles and conversations (hot?) with a telephone mistress. His most satisfying relationships are with fantasy characters.

For this John Locke, the miracles are many. He regains his ability to "walkabout," he can live out his fantasy battles against unknown foes and become the hero he'd like to be.

It will be interesting to see what he does with "real life" relationships.

Wish I knew what he was looking up at in the forest.

eli

[DomMonaghanFan]

I heard the piglet squaeal too. I thought the creature had killed. That makes sense. He just took the credit. Hmm..

[azteclady]

Eli,

Locke has definitely all the earmarks of a schizoid character. I had actually speculated with my son that the 'miracle' was that he, a somewhat deranged gamer, got to survive an airplane crash in a deserted island in a situation where rescue is not imminent, thus giving him a chance to present himself as an expert (who's there to gainsay him?), and finally gaining the respect of the people around him.

But no. The miracle is literal *sigh*

Beto

[macrossranma]

should be in spoiler

[feenie1010]

Maybe his paralysis was not physical but mental and until he NEEDED to walk again, he didn't. We won't just yet until we find out HOW he got the paralysis.

But I love how the show is giving us one answer but then leaving us with more questions. A thinking show!!


Jack..*sigh* Looks like the mantle of leadership is thrusted upone him and he DOESN'T want it. He turned away Claire's offer to lead the memorial, he didn't want to go to Rose and talk to her. But once Hurley mentioned she was the woman he saved, he went. Noticed how he shrugged off her words of kindness regarding his demeanor and then his response of being BORN into the 'family business'? THAT sounds tellling.

[16L43]

The triangulation equipment was (probably) cobbled together from electronic equipment found in the planes luggage (PDA's, laptops, cellphones and CD players). Sayid appears to be an electronics expert so he should be able to get batteries from some other item to work in the transceiver...

[azteclady]

Sayid/Syed/Sayed did ask all the survivors to give him all the electronics they could find, supposedly to power the transceiver.

Beto

[Barbara1969]

This episode had a couple of WTF moments. For me, the biggest was seeing Locke in a wheelchair at the very end and him being told that he can't go on a walkabout. Holy crap!

Also:

-Shannon using Charlie....wonder how many others she'll use before she gets killed and eaten.
-Charlie using heroin twice in this ep. Being alone. Poor guy.
-Michael and Sun = cute couple?
-Sayid and Kate = other cute couple?
-Jack not wanting to be the de facto leader anymore. Stress? Or is he hiding something?
-Rose thinking her husband is still alive
-Jack seeing a man in a suit. Hallucination?

And I was right about Jack wanting to burn the bodies in a funeral pyre.

[feenie1010]

Charlie used twice?? I can only remember the one time during the service.

Jack not wanting to be leader is understandable, I don't think I would want to lead a rag tag group like that under those circumstances. But they all seem to go to him like moths to a flame.

[16L43]

Shannon using Charlie...

Pretty face and a big smile will get a guy in trouble every time!:D

[walkingcarpet23]

I just don't think Jack is used to being in a leadership role. He said his being a doctor was a family thing, which tells me he became a doctor probably because his father or mother wanted him to be. He's used to complying with the wishes of others. Now suddenly, and probably oddly to him, people are looking to him for leadership. I imagine he'll step up eventually.

[feenie1010]

Jack really isn't doing that horrible of a job, though. He just seems to be the one that they kind of gravitate to, eh?

[torchhio]

sorry,,,but that Sawyer is all talk and hot air...I think he's a nice guy way, way down deep.....

nice way to "pair' up the possible 'couples'

Locke was psycho from the start....I knew that....he'll try to fit in but doesn't (ie. everyone's reaction to his knife collection)... social misfit....

[20geek00]

I was wondering why they went on a lifethreatening wild boar hunt, instead of just going and getting the polar bear from earlier?

[lafar]

'Normal' people are so weird. This guy carts out a collection of essential survival tools and they all look at him like he was some sort of criminal.

I don't think Locke will ever fit in with the whole group, but should earn at least some measure of respect for bringing in the boar.

[torchhio]

they need to get over their immediate situations and start surviving....ie. make shelters, hunt and gather food, laws

....just as soon as they all deal with the fact that they will not be rescued, the ones who know should be telling the others who don't....

[feenie1010]

they need to get over their immediate situations and start surviving....ie. make shelters, hunt and gather food, laws
Start a new society?

....just as soon as they all deal with the fact that they will not be rescued, the ones who know should be telling the others who don't....

Just like Jack did? Seems as if Jack leads even when he doesn't want to.

[myerinmama]

I think the guy in the suit might be a hallucination because wouldn't Locke have seen him or wouldn't Jack ask him ? It might have happened since Rose put the idea in his head about the people from the tail being alive. My nieces (8 &11) thought Rose's theory might haunt him since everyone seems to dump their emotions and plans on Jack so this is how he might be reacting--Will he be the first to crack?????

[azteclady]

I think that Jack was never conscious of the fact that he was taking a leadership role - mostly he reacted to the situation, you know? And since he's a doctor (as far as both the audience and the survivors know, no qualifications as to what specialty or professional standing...), most people will grant him a certain authority. Many didn't agree with him regarding the bodies, but in the end they recognize that he knows what he's talking about and follow his lead.

But I guess that once he realizes people are looking at him to take a more definite role as PERSON IN CHARGE he has some qualms about it.

He may also have some problems with the whole funereal rites thing, which may explain why he was not there when Claire and Hurley were conducting the 'ceremony'

Beto

[azteclady]

I'm not 100% on the time line, but I bet that bear is history - scavengers, heat, etc. Plus, it would take several of the survivors quite a while to go back, process whatever is left and bring it back to the beach.

And this without taking into account that polar bear meat is poisonous to humans (too much vitamin A or something *chuckle* - the exact reason has been posted, with links, in another thread by someone who actually researched it)

It makes sense to try and get some fresh meat, if at all possible. It will also prove whether they'll be able to survive more than just a few days without guns - and so far, no one has found more bullets or another gun with ammo.

Beto

[coca21]

That was shocking. I think that was the secret he told that litte boy...that he could walk again. Plus that chic that used Charlie to get her fish...I could have slapped the taste outta her mouth. >: Poor charlie...NICE BODY THOUGH....:eek

Anyways, who was that guy that what's his name kept seeing?

[beathen]

How Locke got the knives on board - he checked them as baggage, not carry-on. He might have gotten a permit for them.

Why did he have them? He was planning on going on a walkabout - he needed to arm himself.

It seems like Charlie is getting to the last of his drugs. I wonder if that will factor in with the next couple of eps. It seems like he's trying to get a feel for the different people he's stranded with: talking to Locke on the log, telling Kate about DriveShaft, catching the fish with Hurley for Shannon. It seems as if he's very uncomfortable. I'm not sure if he'll find one person that he'll really connect with.

[Memoh]

You're right...getting to the end of his drugs will probably trigger Charlie's flashback story.

Let's see...we still need to hear/watch the back story of Jack, Hurley, Sawyer, Sayheed, Charlene and whattsherface with the brother, the father and son. Anybody else?

[beathen]

I think the writers are going to stretch the initial backstories over the length of the season. If you take a look at the first four eps they've only covered about one person per ep, if that. Sometimes they switch between character eps and action/mystery eps. It's keeping me hooked but every now and then I just want to know about all 14 principle characters. (I guess that's the point of the series though - character stories and their evolution)

[TweetyDaBiatch]

Who is the "Helen" they show Locke talking to in flashbacks? He's seen talking on the phone with her and her denying going on his trip with him. She's not allowed to meet customers and was going to charge him $89 for a hour if they stayed on the phone any longer....to me that's sounding like it was some kinda phone sex operator. Anyone else have any ideas on that?

[toonaspie]

Okay, who cried? Or who at least is on the verge of tears right now?

Or who the hell could say that they never saw that coming?

Well I had a few spoilers that I didnt buy until I saw this.

[TweetyDaBiatch]

Okay First I will admit this is the first actual episode I have been able to watch!! I had a death in the family and its been just crazy here lately...anyhow I was just wondering this....When Michael goes boar hunting, he asks Sun's help in watching Walt.....I have been under the impression that Jin is a very jelous man...why was Jin not seen at all during this time...and did I miss something because I don't even recall seeing him at all in this episode!!

[NeejaHalycon]

Yeah, I was definitely on the verge of tears at the end. It was a great moment, even more moving with Christopher Reeve's death so recent. Also, maybe I was just being thick headed, but I honestly didn't think he was paralyzed until he pulled out in the wheelchair.

Of course, the question now is whether he will lose the use of his legs at some point. But that's relatively small compared to:

WHO THE HECK WAS THE GUY IN THE SUIT?

[LostBoy]

Yeah, Jin's absence is kinda odd. He was telling her never to leave his sight but later he just left her off to herself a few times.

Isn't $89 an hour a little high for a phone sex operator? I can't imagine anyone paying THAT much just to hear someone talk dirty on the phone. Hell you could probably find a prostitute for that rate. Still, I can't think what else would cost $89 and hour to talk on the phone.

After this episode, I wonder what the deal was with the "cliff hanger" from the last episode, where they happy music fades to creepy dissonance as the camera circles around Locke. I got the sense that there was something very enigmatic about him, even sinister. But now he is just a strange, lonely man whose ability to walk was restored to him after the crash. There is still perhaps more to his character, but I'm wondering if that was just a cheat cliffhanger because they weren't exactly sure how to end it or something...

[MsHllywdJenn]

Okay. I LOVED tonight's ep! It is sooo keeping hooked and I am reeling with excitement. :rollin

Here's my comments on tonight's events:

~Shannon using Charlie to fish for him... how rude!! What a B-I-Ahtch! >: Poor Charlie is so sweet and gullible he just wants to be liked. :(

~Kate's urgency to keep moving? Hmmmm.... there's definately something to that.

~Sun communicating with Walt. I think that boy will be speaking Korean by the end of the season. At least, a few key phrases.

~Locke killing the boar? Well he was all bloodied up, however he may have done that on purpose. But! I think the piglet would've been more thrashed if it was killed by the animal. Remember the pilot??

~The guy in the suit. Oh yeah, gotta be Jack's father. He must be hallucinating since we haven't seen him sleep.

~Finally! Locke was paralysed? Suddenly cured?? WHA?! :eek My mouth hit the floor! I was soooo NOT expecting that! He says he'd been living with his condition for 4 years, so this is not an old situation. Col. Locke? Maybe he did serve and was injured, maybe he was black-ops. If they start calling him Kendall I'll laugh off my patootie! (All you ALIAS fans would hear me) I just LOVED how he kept yelling, "Don't tell me what I can't do." Truly awesome!

Keep this up guys and this show will continue to reach new heights in the ratings. :D

[TweetyDaBiatch]

Okay during Locke's flashback when he is on the phone with "Helen" he has some kind of machine thingy on the dresser next to the bed he reaches over and turns off...I didn't get a good look at that...What the heck was that????

[TweetyDaBiatch]

And also why would Michael ask Sun of all people to watch his son??? There are many others there that can speak english and would understand what he was wanting LoL

[LostBoy]

And also why would Michael ask Sun of all people to watch his son??? There are many others there that can speak english and would understand what he was wanting LoL

He's got the hots for her since seeing her bathing... the dude's gonna find any excuse he can to talk to her.

[wharf rat]

Oh this was a good one. Finally you saw who was in the wheelchair. And I think Locke did see what the large "monster" was. Right now Locke is feeling " high on top of the world ". He can walk again, has respect from those around him, and feels like a whole "man" for a change. Will he prevent the others from "getting off the island" just so he can continue on this "high"?

And what was that flag on his wall? An American flag? All those red/white stripes.

And maybe $89 Aussie is much less than $89 American ??

[theghostofwalt]

the show has been just pure goodness to me- but the thing that stood out to me was the two funniest lines so far were in this episode.

sawyers rant about hunting the boars and saying its the greatest idea hes heard killed me, and then hurley when he was fishing- "damnit! crap! crap! son of a..."...pure comedy gold.

gah, how great is this show?

[Nodamidis]

I think the mysterious man Jack sees is actually Jack himself. Toward the end of the episode there is a flashback to the immediate aftermath of the crash. In that flashback Jack is dressed in a white shirt, tie and dark suit, just like the mysterious stranger that he sees.

[vvanicek]

Last night when the showed the preview for episode 5, the showed the mystery man wearing the suit. He seemed like an older gentleman. They showed Jack trying to tap him on the back as they walked in the woods.
So maybe this man is a survivor from another section of the airplane. :p

[cgt]

I think the mysterious guy that Jack keeps seeing is someone from his past. I think he's suffered some kind of loss (parents, wife, kids, etc) and that's why he's so reluctant to take on any kind of a role. He was running away from something that happened to him emotionally. That would explain why he didn't want anything to do with the memorial.

Dressed in the suit the guy reminded me of someone who had just come from a funeral.

When it comes to taking care of the injured he's doing what comes naturally to him and what he knows has to be done (in the case of burning the bodies).

[azteclady]

I think he's a hallucination of Jack's, caused by delayed shock and probably sleep deprivation, and maybe even fever. Remember that he had a rather large gash in his side that Kate helped sew together, and we don't know whether Jack has spared any antibiotics for himself after/during the shrapnel guy's situation.

The guy in the suit can't be real, because when Jack and Kate run into the jungle after him, you can see that there are no tracks whatsoever (and with the soil being basically sand, there's no way anything could have gone through there without leaving a mark of some sort), and then there's Locke coming from the opposite direction, and he makes absolutely no mention of a guy in a suit crossing paths with him.

And the fact that Jack is 'seeing things' if you will, would not be a sign that he's cracking up in the same way Locke is. I'm willing to bet Jack's condition is a)temporary and b)gives the writers a golden opportunity to tell us more about Jack.

Beto

[Professor Liam]

Jack is going to be the leader if he wants to or not. Everyone is looking to him for decisions to be made with no questions asked. Even Sawyer seems to be going along with him leading.

[hobbitenvy]

Was it ever actually established that Locke was paralyzed? You don't need to be paralyzed to require the use of a wheelchair...

I think the guy in the suit is a prior inhabitant of the island -- not a hallucination or someone from the plane.

I think the "monster" killed the boar. I also think the "monster" may be invisible. Anyone familiar with H.P. Lovecraft's short story "The Dunwich Horror"? The monster in "Lost" seems very similar to the monster in that story.

Various aspects of the show certainly do seem to embody the supernatural, but I provisionally take the creators' word for it that the show is based in reality as we know it, and explanations for all the various weirdnesses will be forthcoming at some point. The mysteries are one of the things that makes the show interesting to me, so I won't complain about them. I do wonder what natural explanation could exist for Locke's miraculous recovery, though...

[azteclady]

Hobbit, check out pinnerman's thread "Immediate questions after Walkabout." Several people put forth logical explanations for this (which really relieved me :D )

Beto

[cccourt]

All of you can guess as to who killed the boar. My question: how did he pull the boar X amount of yards, kilometres, whatever, back to the beachfront? Didn't he estimate it would be 250 lbs?
ccc:hat

[cdnynkee]

cccourt: I think I remember Locke saying the mother would weigh around 250 lbs while the young boars would be around 150 lbs. A difference, but still, quite a weight to pull any distance let alone through the jungle.

[wharf rat]

What if ... on the other side of the island is a big "Club Med"? And the guy in the suit was doing a "walkabout"? And the 'monster' is a Club Med guy to keep the guests at the other side of the island? What if Waikiki is on the other side of the island? Oh... I'm losing it....8)

[xpunkisneatx]

I agree with the thought that Locke's paralysis may have been mental. He doesn't seem to have it all together upstairs (especially with the Helen chick...kinda weird). There is a psychiatric disorder called somatic disorder in which one can become paralyized for absolutely no reason, and then regain their ability to move when they have some sort of cathartic event....i would say almost dying in a plane crash would bring up alot of emotions wouldn't you? Anways, in response to some questions about the knives...I think he had them for the austrailian outback walkabout thing...For hunting and such. You can bring knives on planes as long as they are not in your overhead luggage. And as for Locke killing the piglet? I definitly heard the piglet squeal...I think we are safe to assume that the piglet was killed by the beast and Locke just brought it back to everyone.

[xpunkisneatx]

This theory almost sounds like the movie "The Village"...ya know, the whole village is living alone, afraid of the "monsters" in the woods who turn out to be the elders of the village themselves keeping the villagers from modern society...Very interesting thought indeed...

[azteclady]

ccc:
Whether the 'piglet' weighed 250 or 'only'150lbs, that's still a whole lot of bacon to bring home; but I thought I saw some sort of harness Locke had rigged to the carcass in order to drag it. It would take him a long time -i.e., frequent stops to catch his breath-, even longer than Kate helping injured Michael, but I guess it would be doable.

Now, it begs the question of Locke being fit enough to drag such a heavy load when just a few days earlier he was confined to a wheelchair - atrophied muscles and all that, which's been discussed in other threads (MaxterXander's "Episode4" and pinnerman's "Immediate questions").

Beto

[Lothiriel of Rohan]

Well there is a phenomena that when someone is under extreme stress they exhibit what could be superhuman strength to rise to the occasion. I cannot remember the technical name for it right now. Perhaps Locke was so scared at having seen the creature and knowing he had to prove himself to the others that he obtained the strength to move the piglet. Just a theory....

[grimlock]

Looked to me like he'd taken his belt off, wrapped it around the neck, and was dragging the boar by the end. That would help quite a bit, but it would still be a tough haul. Would have been more believable if he could've slung it across his shoulders, but I think he'd be physically too weak to stand like that.

[Tamalalee]

i felt like they used Locke like as a red herring-i dont think him that important. Everything could be explained without magic

paralysis could be due to an extreme manifestation of a pinched nerve among other things (I am not medically inclined but this is tv) slipped disk something and the force of the crash rearranged the lubar nrves and vertabrae (again not medically inclined-looked it up on net though and its not impossible)
his knives as someone posted before, were checked he was going on (to be blunt) a hunting/survival trip downunder it would be quite practical to take that many knives given the circumstances (I wouldve sues that walkabout outfit thoughh-i am guessing that australia doesnt have discrimintation laws???)
RED HERRING-irrelevant information thrown in to throw you off the track/subject
so I agree with the person who said something about Jack being burned by leadership/power etc.
Might be that his father was a very powerful man and he didnt like how it reflected on him or how he was treated as a result of that power--I was thinking that he had someone die in his life recntly too
I love this show I swear i could sit 24 hrs a day watching it

[kittymistress]

I think Locke meant that a live piglet would weigh about 150 lbs. I'm assuming that he knew enough about hunting to dress the kill (remove the innards) before he dragged it back to camp. That would make the piglet lighter, and would also explain the blood on Locke.

[kat]

I think the "monster" killed the boar. I also think the "monster" may be invisible. Anyone familiar with H.P. Lovecraft's short story "The Dunwich Horror"? The monster in "Lost" seems very similar to the monster in that story.

YES!!! :) I put forth this theory on another thread, though I couldn't remember the name of the story! And there's even a scientific explanation for why the monster was invisible. :)

[Abraxas]

I liked the episode, but it was a little bit on the disappointing side. The paralysis story is very borderline supernatural, but it can be explained. Jack hallucinating is fine and totally understandable.
So, it was, "A miracle happened to him", what Walt said. Everyone should have got that by now. I was expecting something like this episode, because what could that mirable be other than being able to walk or talk again.
I tended to the talk, but then I remembered the wheelchair and set myself up for the walk.

My biggest question:
Where the heck was Jin all that time??
He is the only main character from the group that wasn't shown even once. Ok, Rose wasn't there in the last episode, but that is already explained.

[kat]

Where the heck was Jin all that time??
He is the only main character from the group that wasn't shown even once.

He was shown in the beginning, sleeping next to Sun. I don't know where he was the rest of the episode, but he was there at least at the beginning.

[sing4themoment]

Locke being able to walk was a miracle and its really nice :) But he's really werid tho...lik having a relationship with her physichiatrist??

But overall, this episode was the BOMB cuz first we see charlie half shirtless, then we see him wet :p nd den he catches a fish :D omg totally adorable!!!!!

[azteclady]

Psychiatrist? er... hmmm... ah...

Think phone sex instead.



Beto

[WINDMILLBOOKS]

As good as the idea of creating a large fire after dark to attract any passing air or sea traffic, there are two flaws in what I visually perceived.

The main one is that it was OVERCAST. And with air traffic flying over the clouds at night, they wouldnt of seen any of their effort.

Second, I would of timed it with an assumed time that air traffic would be more likely to pass over. After all, I pay attention to the HAWAIIAN AIRLINES flights -not for trip plans- and they almost all depart at a similar time and arrive at similar times.

I would assume that it would be similar for flights in and out of FIJI.

/Alex

PS Re HELEN: It wasnt a phone sex in his region of LA, it was more likely TALK TO A HOT YOUNG GIRL category. And $89 was rather low. Phone sex ads are usually in the $3-5 range.

I tried it once, and couldnt keep from laughing. I had seen a tv story that even guys were pretending to be girls to get the 35% commissions.

[breathexin]

hmmm....this episode was so awesome!

Locke- Poor guy! I think he enjoys being on the island now, he can live out his fantasy. The whole paralyzed thing was a jaw dropper, along with him seeing his shoe on backwards, and then rightways again. He's a cute little guy (cute not in hot cute, but in kitten cute).
Charlie- Poor little fella. He got used, and he's going to get withdrawl unless he finds a drugdealer (monster? lol) on the island.

[star2954]

Locke's boss- I so wanted to shove him in a toilet head first and flush...that dude was such an ass...

And I hope Shannon chokes on that fish! She didn't even let Charlie keep the damn thing! If she's gonna use the poor little smack head to prove a point to her brother at least let the kid eat too...GAH

Sorry they just really rubbed me the wrong way during that episode.

The best quote from the night was when Boone was like "I don't think the ocean's gonna take your gold card Shannon" I rolled!!

The end surprise made my jaw hit the ground... I really think that Locke's a good guy, and I'm so glad he can walk again, now no-one's going to question what he can and cant do...And without him the survivors might be S.O.L. he can hunt like crazy... I think he actually killed the boar, because it would probably be more mangled than that if the "monster" killed it. Plus even though you heard a boar squeal before Locke actually saw one, you have to remember that there was more than one boar...he might have killed another one. And with the question of how his legs can actually work well after not being used for so long I think maybe that device on his bedside table might have something to do with it, maybe a treatment of some sort to keep his muscles strong...or something...just a thought...

Cant wait for the next episode...I have a feeling our poor little Charlie is going to be in deep s*** soon when it comes to his habit...he looks like he's running out and I'm pretty sure there aren't any smack dealers on the island...

~Nicoli~

[1DRONE1]

Maybe Jin was walking the dog cause both were gone after the first scene.

Also there are supposed to be 48 survivors. but you never see more than maybe 20 at any one time...

Drone

[sing4themoment]

I mentioned that Lost is sorta like The Village before! I TOTALLY AGREE....but imagine if its all fake :rolleyes dat'll SUCK:\

[breathexin]

Hmmm....I agree, if it's all a fake (like Locke imagining it or something), that will suck.

[jmsylvan]

Forgive me if I'm saying something someone already said, that was an awful lot of posts to read, but when Locke was in the office in Australia, getting turned down for the walkabout, he said that he had been living that way "for the past 4 years." originally i thought he was just a guy living in his head, but now i wonder...what was he before he got paralyzed? He may well have some kind of military ops background. I just don't think that you can fake the kind of confidence he has.
The monster thing i just don't get, tho, but i guess if i got it all, there'd be no point in watching the show, huh?

[Grimme]

Azteclady'sI think he's a hallucination of Jack's, caused by delayed shock and probably sleep deprivation, and maybe even fever. Remember that he had a rather large gash in his side that Kate helped sew together, and we don't know whether Jack has spared any antibiotics for himself after/during the shrapnel guy's situation.

I agree with you, Azteclady, and I think the fact that Jack was sitting out in the sun, without a hat, by Rose's side for that lengthy time also made him prone to "seeing things" ---all of which would have "normal" explanations.

Most of you have already covered several areas where I had questions but I have two that, if they have been answered, I have missed and would appreciate some answers...

(1) Pregnant Claire is wearing a necklace with a Chinese symbol on it. Does anyone know what the symbol stands for?

(2) When Locke was motioning to Kate and Michael how to maneuver against the boar, Michael said what sounded to me like: "Don't give the Steele sign."

I put the TV on mute (I have to tape "Lost" episodes since I
work on a night shift) and. bearing in mind that this mute system can be faulty, it had Michael saying: "Don't give the steal sign."

I am relying on my memory here so this may not be the exact Michael quote (he may have said: "Why are you giving the steal sign?") and he might have said "signal" instead of "sign".

So is there some "steal" signal that I am unaware of and what was Michael meaning when he said this to Locke?

[twinmom]

I agree-I am so afraid of a let down!! Yikes! I hope not!
I still say the most intriguing thing was Rose talking about her husband. Also, after noticing a seat number thing (check the front page) I am now wondering if what some other people said is true-if Jack is really Jack....but I will keep that on the other board:)
So......to sum up ep 4:
Shannon is getting on my nerves!!! I cannot stand b------ like that!!! And yes, I loved it too when Boone said "The ocean won't take you gold card". I still can't believe she was doing her nails and talking about how she would "eat on the rescue boat" on the first ep-she is soo mena to her brother and he is so nice to her-why is that???
Rose is mysterious.....is she not accepting her husband is dead or is he really not dead?
Hurely/Charlie-my two favorite characters-catching that fish just CRACKED me up!! I love both of their little one-liners and Hurley.....
HE HAS BOUGHT THE WORD "DUDE" TO A WHOLE NEW LEVEL!!!
Kate-I have some trust issues with her. In the first ep, when she first walks up to Jack, she is rubbing her wrists (she had just taken off the cuffs) and i really think she had just wondered off to leave everyone-not sure why she would want to try to survive alone, but I am not sure she wants to be "found" either-since she is wanted. So, this makes me think she might sabotage them sending out a signal or whatever.
Locke-wow wow wow wow-never ever saw that coming! And I don't think he was completely paralyzed. His "condition" could be a number of things. I liked the idea someone posted about it being a pinched nerve that gets jumped back into place. I did pose this question on Locke's page, but if he couldn't go to Australia, how was heon the plane? Isn't that where they were going?
Korean lady (Sun? No, Jin right?) Anyway, she speaks English and is keeping it a secret-so obvious, but why she is doing it, I am not sure.
Sawyer-----love the pet names!! Keep them coming!
And to sum it up, I think overall they are a pretty calm bunch for what has happened to them and they really aren't wounded much-the women look like they have fresh make-up on, etc but hey, this is tv right???
Bottom line-the best show out there-how refreshing after so much unwanted reality tv-to have a show that actually makes you THINK!!!!!
I love it!!

Beth

[Stu1961]

(2) When Locke was motioning to Kate and Michael how to maneuver against the boar, Michael said what sounded to me like: "Don't give the Steele sign."

I put the TV on mute (I have to tape "Lost" episodes since I
work on a night shift) and. bearing in mind that this mute system can be faulty, it had Michael saying: "Don't give the steal sign."

I am relying on my memory here so this may not be the exact Michael quote (he may have said: "Why are you giving the steal sign?") and he might have said "signal" instead of "sign".

So is there some "steal" signal that I am unaware of and what was Michael meaning when he said this to Locke?

:lol
Michael wasn't understanding the series of hand gestures Locke was giving - nor did he realize the importance for being quiet. The line was a reference to the often complicated/convoluted series of hand motions (called signs) that managers and base coaches give in the game of baseball when you want to communicate to a runner or batter without the other team knowing what you are saying (i.e. to bunt, take-a-pitch, hit-and-run, or steal a base etc...). It was one of my favorite lines from the show - so far.

I also remember thinking, after hearing that line, that someone on this board would probably hypothesize that Michael may have been a baseball player.:rollin

[azteclady]

Beth,

Hope the twins are better! :D

You posted this:
"Kate-I have some trust issues with her. In the first ep, when she first walks up to Jack, she is rubbing her wrists (she had just taken off the cuffs) and i really think she had just wondered off to leave everyone-not sure why she would want to try to survive alone, but I am not sure she wants to be "found" either-since she is wanted. So, this makes me think she might sabotage them sending out a signal or whatever"

My take on Kate rubbing her hands and walking by Jack like she did, is that she also was disoriented after the crash, and maybe that she came to farther from the rest even than Jack himself - remember that Walt found the handcuffs after venturing a bit in the forest, looking for Vincent? and that Michael was upset because of the danger?

I also think that she's anxious to 'escape' the island - hence her taking Sayid/Saeed/Syed's makeshift antenna when she, Michael and Locke went on the boar hunt (remember her climbing that tree? she was trying to secure the antenna there when the 'creature' startled her). It's much easier to disappear among millions than in a group of 48. After all, she knows that Jack is aware of her 'criminal past' -even if he doesn't have or want the details- and it would be unrealistic for her to expect that it would remain a secret for long. She's probably wary that once the majority of the group knows about her being wanted, they are going to turn against her. (I know I would! :eek )

Grimme and Stu1961,
I am now convinced that I look for convoluted explanations to straightforward things! In my defense, I know *nothing* about baseball so...

What I thought Michael said was "is that the stealth signal?" and I took it as a reference to the hand signals you see SEALs and other special operations forces giving each other on TV and movies.

(I feel sheeeeeeeeeepish now!)

Now that I stand corrected on the line and its meaning, I would assume simply that Michael is a baseball fan, or played as a youngster, or both - doesn't a good chunk of the youth population in the US do?


Beto

edited for typo

[JacksGirlfriend]

Yes, I would think practically every boy/man in America knows the sign for stealing bases. I knew what he was talking about (although didn't recognize the signal). I thought it was a cute and totally real scene. It showed the difference between Michael and Locke as characters without pointing an arrow saying "This is a regular guy" and "This is a different sort of man."

JacksGirl

[WINDMILLBOOKS]

This whole STEAL argument is flawed.

It wouldnt be a relevant phrase in their situation. QUIET would of been the priority, and when the boar came charging, Walt blew their stealth status.

Plus, all the knives would of been overkill. A pro soldier would carry one knive to do all the jobs using his skill with the tool.

And, I still do not believe that LOCKE was a former govt employee. They dont play soldier, and they dont BOOK WalkAbout tours. They do it on their own!

/Alex

[azteclady]

Windmill,

I wasn't saying that Locke is a real special operations character. I said that I perceive him to be 'acting the part' - copying what anyone can see in movies.

And from that perspective, Michael mistaking Locke's gesture of *stealth* and asking about the baseball *steal* sign would make sense.


Beto

[JacksGirlfriend]

I agree. I don't think Locke has an special training at all. I think he's acting like he thinks he should be acting in these circumstances because he has no practical experience, much like if I were pretending to be a cop I might base my behavior on TV shows or movies I'd seen.

And Michael was not understanding the entire situation because he's just a regular guy thinking he's out to grab some dinner. I think he's learned to be quiet in the future.

JacksGirl

[azteclady]

JacksGirl sayez:

"And Michael was not understanding the entire situation because he's just a regular guy thinking he's out to grab some dinner. I think he's learned to be quiet in the future."

You know, I think our survivors are going to have to demonstrate a steep learning curve if they're hoping to make it in the island for any period of time!

-Hunting
-Fishing
-Field dressing whatever they catch
-Making fire (how long will the lighters and matches from the wreckage last?)
-Foraging for edible plants and fruits (Tropical Island Survival 101: How to open a coconut without spilling :rollin )
-Making some sort of permanent/semipermanent shelter(s)

I'm so eager to see how all of these are solved by the show!


Beto

[WINDMILLBOOKS]

Im not eager and dont care about the basics of survival. There have been enough standard shows about the subject.

I would be more interested in the use of the GOLD CARD; maybe as a hunting tool. There is a joke awaiting a good writer in use of the Gold Card to fish with, so she can say:

SEE, THE OCEAN DOES TAKE MY GOLD CARD!

;-)

I think their highest priority is to scout the island from the peaks in order to ascertain what assets they have to work with. Not to mention finding fruiting trees along the way.

Man does not live by meat alone!

/VEGAN

PS Someone mentioned GASOLINE in a comment about creamating the bodies. Actually, its kerosene that is a fuel for a jet engine. Very different vapors and volatility.

I LOVE THE SMELL OF BURNING JP-4 IN THE MORNING at the airports...

[JacksGirlfriend]

The gold card could come in handy. Everybody likes bright and shiny things... even fish.

JacksGirl

[azteclady]

I was thinking the same, JacksGirl!

Given my utter ignorance of all things "Survivor" I do wonder just how creative will the writers make -our- survivors...


Beto

[JacksGirlfriend]

I think they're going to be very creative and also probably very simple. Back to basics. In this case we might find the best suggestions come from people like Hurley and Charlie who don't "overthink" things.

JacksGirl

[WINDMILLBOOKS]

Actually, this is where LOCKEs reading may prove useful. You saw his successful HUNT!

Creating a garden isnt an option with the MONSTER and boars roaming free.

They really need to find the BASE where the transmitter is at.

/Alex

[KatesBoyfriend]

If only Shannon would use me to get fish for her... Then again I don't want to make Kate jealous.

And the $89 was not Australian because Locke was in America when he was talking to Helen. Recall he wanted to get her a plane ticket...

[WINDMILLBOOKS]

Correction! He already bought the extra ticket.

Thats quite a chunk of money for him to spend.

Plus, wasnt there mention of his telling off his boss? So, maybe he wasnt planning on returning now that he lost his phone bimbo.

/Alex

[castertvs]

Do you think Locke actually told his boss off? Or does he consider the encounter in the break room to be the telling off? I hope he actually did it, but I suspect the latter.

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[azteclady]

Welcome, castertvs!

I agree with you - I don't think he told his boss off at all. Like pinnerman said, "legend in his own mind."

I wouldn't be surprised if he hadn't bought the plane ticket either.

Also, someone else mentioned (in another thread, I believe) that it would have been barely less than impossible for Locke to buy a plane ticket for "Helen" without having her full name. Same for the walkabout.


Beto

[twinmom]

"And the $89 was not Australian because Locke was in America when he was talking to Helen. Recall he wanted to get her a plane ticket... "

Wait, I am confused-I posted this on the Locke board, but since I saw hits above, I will put this out:

I thought the plane was going from Australia to LA. Is that correct? I was confused when the guy wouldn't let him go on this "walkabout" thing (which is in AUstralia too?) and then he said to him "We're sending you back to Sydney". So, is he in some part of Australia, wanting to go to another part for the walkabout and then gets sent to yest another part (Sydney)?????? Someone clear for me:)

OH OH OH!!!! A little over 48 hours to go!!!!!!!!

[twinmom]

PS-

Beto, thanks for the insight on the Kate thing. I had forgotten about how far in Walt found them. I really think they could just go on and on and on with this show!!! The good thing is, you can't copy a story like this.
And, thank you-the twins are better, now it's my hubby that is sick!!:\

[JerrysDisneyPrincess]

Ok to clear up the Locke thing...

He lives in America. He booked the trip in America. He used the $89 phone line in America.

He flew to Australia, and went to the place where he was supposed to leave for the "walkabout", and the guide told him no he can't go. Then the guy told him they'd fly him from wherever the "walkabout" was, back to Sydney. So what we don't see, but what is implied, is that Locke flew back to Sydney, and then took a flight out of Sydney, back to LA - which is the flight that crashed.

Make sense? :)

I thought this was a fascinating episode, and I'm curious as to how they're going to explain his healing. I also wonder why he lied about seeing the "monster", and why the "monster" didn't kill him.

This is all interesting.

[twinmom]

THANK YOU!!!!!! thank you!!!! thank you!!!!!!!!!!
Got it!!!!!!:D

[radiocrash]

FYI The Walkabout tour office was in Melbourne

[twinmom]

wow-how did you know that? Do they say it?

[radiocrash]

It says "melbourne walkabout tours" on the window behind Locke.

This means that the tour would most likely have been heading to the Murray Outback region of Victoria - not that that's in anyway important;)

[daynade]

has anyone noticed that the actress who plays kate is also the actress on the live links sex commercial hotline. am I imagining things or is it really her?:D

[azteclady]

Welcome, daynade!

You can find lots more about Kate (Evangeline Lilly) on her character's forum.



Beto

[azteclady]

Okay, so the first time around with this thread I had noticed several people asking after Jin's whereabouts.

He can be seen plainly at the beginning, when they wake up because of the boars, but after that he's conspicuously missing. He's told Sun to never leave his sight, and yet he's nowhere to be found when Michael is asking her to look after Walt while he goes hunting.

My take is that we were supposed to see Jin helping Charlie and Hurley catch the fish (I believe there's a short thread about this in this forum), because Sawyer mentioned in White Rabbit that he exchanged water for fish with "Mr Miyagi" (his current name for Jin), 'caveman style.' (I would have paid good money to see that particular exchange :D )

For whatever the reason, this scene didn't make it - let's include it in our petition / campaign for the DVD set! (check out the "It's been picked up!" thread in this forum!)


Beto

[Beckers1]

And where did Rose go?
That woman appears and disappears like crazy. I'm begining to think she is magic! :D

[azteclady]

Well, there are still 47 people on the beach at this point, right? Yet, we are never shown a scene in which we can see the whole group together. We see couples or individuals in the background when there's a conversation or big scene with the main cast.

Not considering money and production issues, it doesn't seem too difficult for one or more faces to get 'lost' (couldn't resist) in the crowd at key moments.



Beto

[gracheness]

It is *nods* It's probably just over half.

-From the authority on all things Australian :P

[Master Xander]

Reopening thread for tonight's rerun.

[Wynter Zera]

Forgot Charlie got cut by the boar. How did Michael know Locke's name?

[lockemeup]

Did anyone else notice in the opening scene with the boars that Shannon is in the background having a coughing fit?

After a second viewing, I still don't understand Locke's scene, aren't we supposed to assume he saw the monster and not the boar? Why doesn't he tell the truth?

I love this board!

[v1p3r6]

i just saw lockes briefcase. its the one that hit kates "marshall on the head". and how would knives be allowed on the plane? only explinations is that knife is not for him but its for the so called marshall guy.

[aelessar]

Locke's briefcase with the knives is not the same one that hit the marshall in the head. Locke clearly stated that "he checked it" when asked by Kate how he got knives on the plane. There's no way a civilian with a briefcase full of knives would have been allowed to carry that on a plane. If a US Marshall tried to bring that on as carry on luggage, he would probably be allowed and it would be locked.

It also appears the Locke's briefcase is much deeper that the one that the marshall had. We now know from spoilers for WTCMB that the marshall's brief case may contain another weapon and information that Kate wants to get her hands on - not knives.

[lolane3]

Michael knew Locke's name because Walt told him what it was earlier in the episode.

[940BOY]

I think Locke manifested the briefcase.;)

[Hodgepodge]

I'm really sorry we haven't gotten any reposts by elder members. I'd love to see what they think about this episode now, as opposed to then...:)

Walkabout

There's was a thread expressing the idea that Locke may not have been paralyzed, but used the wheelchair for another reason. Locke, while laying on the beach after the crash, had a look of disbelief when he realized he could move his feet. I think its apparent that Locke was completely paralyzed and unable to walk. Although, I do find it strange that know one saw Locke being wheeled onto the plane. And now their using the wheelchair to gather wood and no one recognizes Locke as the its owner.

I wonder if you guys noticed that at every appearance of the monster, our survivors are trying to use some type of communication device? The first time the monster appears, they're getting the transceiver from the plane. And it appears again when Kate's trying to hang the antennae in the tree.

[TheBigCat]

Yeah, hodge, I did. Kinda surprised that no one has mentioned it, really. I figured that somebody would have brought that up by now. Maybe over the last few months too many people have been talking about purgatory and the Bermuda Triangle to pay attention to what's happening on the screen. That's why I went looking for this site. I wanted to hear from folks who might be seeing things that didn't notice.

If I wanted to read a bunch of crackpot theories, I'd log onto a Bermuda Triangle site. Who knows, maybe somebody there can tell me something about "Lost".

[940BOY]

I noticed that in every flashback, from inside the plane, during the crash, while the others were freakin' out and flailing about,
Mr. Locke was very calm.;)