Ethan is not an "Other", he was on plane......

[Aries7]

Replaying episode 11, I start to get the feeling that perhaps Ethan was on the plane and is someone who is normally heavily medicated (Prozac, etc.). Just think about this.....He speaks fine American-Canadian English....Other than his name "Ethan Rom" not being on the manifest, nothing leads us to believe he was on the island from before...I admit that his behavior is odd, but I asure you if you take 40 strangers from all walks of life and stick them on an island, you will get your head cases. I think that this Ethan has an issue with Claire being pregenant, perhaps his past has something to do with his aggression or may I say protectivness of Claire if he was in fact put on the plane by the Psychic with knowledfge of the babies future. I actually now am starting to think that the "Others" may of perhaps taken both Ethan & Claire and hung Charlie up in the tree. Think about this....The trail split up with 2 sets of tracks, and at the time of the trail split, the last of the three finger letters of Charlies was found (fourth "E" was on his finger still while he was hanging)...Jack & Kate found Charlie after Jacks fight with Ethan, so perhaps Ethan tried to continue on after his encounter with Jack and was suddenly confronted by the others or the Monster. You have to admit that Charlie hanging up in that tree hung by nothing but tree branches reminds one of the pilot getting dragged out of the plane and tossed around like a salad. No way Ethan could have hung Charlie by himself or even with the help of 1 or 2 more folks (you saw how hard it was to get him down). I think the others or monster has Ethan & Claire. Knowing that Claire is very close to hsving the baby, stress may induce an early birth, which will be an interesting lead in to the next few episodes. In any case, I think Ethan and Claire are still alive and Ethan is not who he we are led to believe he is.....Just my 2 cents.

[Jammet]

And the people with Ethan? The people who stood around him during his fight with Jack. They did know him. Where'd they come from?

Either they all come from the Island or they all come from the plane. It wouldn't make sense for them all coming from the plane because then all of their names were known by then, and they would be among the survivers rather than whisper in the woods for sixteen years. How can Ethan be fromthe plane, being one of them?

I know I'm repeating a bit too often but it just doesn't make sense for Ethan to be the guy on Medication somehow. He doesn't look nuts to me either.

[Black Dahlia]

And the people with Ethan? The people who stood around him during his fight with Jack. They did know him. Where'd they come from?

Either they all come from the Island or they all come from the plane. It wouldn't make sense for them all coming from the plane because then all of their names were known by then, and they would be among the survivers rather than whisper in the woods for sixteen years. How can Ethan be fromthe plane, being one of them?

OK, you're creeping me out big time. There were no people standing around Ethan during his fight with Jack. At least not any visible on the television I watched the show on.

Are you being facetious? Or are you the one who ran out of medication?

[JBJoe]

Ethan warned Jack to stop following or he would kill one of them [Claire or Charlie]... A little while later, one of them is found strung up in a tree. Clearly Ethan was in control of both Charlie and Claire at the time of the fight. But how could he be in control of both of them if he is busy fighting Jack? The simplest explanation would be: someone else was watching those two at the time.

Think about the trail splitting. One person holding two captives couldn't very well make them backtrack over their old footprints. But several people holding two captives could easily plant a false trail.

[kaycee13]

Perhaps the simplest explanation is, the fight never happened. Jack imagined it. His injuries were the result of the incredible fall he took, which knocked him out cold. Remember, Kate was nearby and saw and heard nothing.

I DO believe that Ethan was not on the plane and that there ARE at least two people involved in the kidnapping (perhaps Ethan and Danielle) - but there were no people standing around watching the fight on my TV, either. (Surely Jack or Kate would have noticed a crowd.)

[czardingus]

Ethan warned Jack to stop following or he would kill one of them [Claire or Charlie]... A little while later, one of them is found strung up in a tree. Clearly Ethan was in control of both Charlie and Claire at the time of the fight. But how could he be in control of both of them if he is busy fighting Jack? The simplest explanation would be: someone else was watching those two at the time.


Perhaps when Ethan says he would kill "one of them" he meant Claire or her baby! Charlie could have already been strung up when this was said. Charlie stated later that they only wanted Claire...

[LostIslander]

I agree with the original poster, that Ethan was on the plane. They're being way too obvious, setting him up as an "other." I was thinking that perhaps he has some paranoia issues (he is clearly a bit 'off' anyway), and just checked in under a fake name.

BTW, has anyone with videotapes gone back and watched the flight scenes? It would be quite a laugh on us if we spent all this time arguing whether he was on it or not, when he was blatantly sitting in one of the flight scenes all along.

[Aries7]

I agree that what Ethan meant by kill one of them was Claire or her baby....Charlie I think was taken by the monster. No way ethan could have hung him from the vines like that...had to be the monster. The monster then perhaps took both Claire & Ethan.....I think the look of shock from the face of Charlie was not from being abducted by just Ethan, but they must of had a run in with something horrifying....Had to be the monster or entity....

[Vicki]

Hmm thats interesting (the one of them being Claire/her baby rather than Charlie).

I think this theory has some merits..

and in response to "the people with Ethan"???

Uh..? That freaked ME out a lot too...it would have been weird.

[Jammet]

Okay, maybe it was because the camera was moving so fast that I was thinking there was somebody else standing there, watching Ethan fight Jack. I'm sorry if I have brought up some more confusion.

I don't know if it's that point where I got the idea that Ethan was not alone. But somehow this whole "Voices in the jungle" thing along with Ethan being able to constantly handle 2 people at once and what not, lead multiple tracks, that somehow just screamed "He's not alone, he's got friends with him" at me ... =)

Well, we'll see what happens.

PS: "That's all THEY wanted. Claire."

Now, what you do think of that one?

[RememberMe]

I haven't seen evidence of anyone helping Ethan. I think "THEY" meant the Others, not including Ethan. See the "Is Ethan good?" thread.

[jjabramizeme]

so this is what we can surmise :

ethan could have been on the plane and perhaps has some sort of multiple personality disorder which is why he doesn't show up on the passenger manifest. he may be out of his meds and maybe one of his personalities is particularly violent.

this doesn't explain his excellent hunting skills (which is only witnessed by Locke so perhaps it's not true).

the fight with jack could have been all in jack's mind. i'm starting to agree with this more and more as jack was clearly seeing and hearing things kate was not.

charlie was hung by vines, a whole lot of them. there had to have been several people to undergo the act of putting him up there. we saw how tough those vines were to cut...does anyone think the vines were just hanging there, like a noose, ready to go? I don't, I think the vine noose had to be created. So you got at least two people right there, one to cut the vines, another to hold charlie down. i'm thinking it was probably more than two b/c "they" usually refers to three or more.

this doesn't even begin to touch the second trail, the signs charlie left behind and why he was still wearing his "E", why Ethan confronted Claire and Charlie in the first place, etc. etc.

so once again, we have a thousand different directions we could run in. it's like one of those 'choose your own adventure' books i'm sure some of you read as a kid.

sometimes i wonder if this board is like one of those books and the writers read it and think, "oh, i like that, let's go with that idea," so that in esscence we are all "choosing our own adventure."

[ClaireAndCharlie]

Charlie didn't later state that they only wanted Claire, he said they've done all they want with Claire. Now what the heck does that mean??!! Could the E on Charlie's hand have been some sort of clue? And how would Charlie have known they've done all they want with Claire if he was hanging, blindfolded?? If it was that monster thing that took Ethan and or Claire, how would he have known THEY have done all they wanted??Cause isn't there one monster and he wouldn't have known if the monster had killed him and taken Claire and Ethan. And what's up with that psychic?? He would've forseen something like this! I'm confused.

Oh and by the way, I saw one more person during the fight scene ( or at least I thought I did) but just one, and It wasn't Kate.

[ccmerlot]

...this is exactly why eyewitness testimony should not be used in courts of law....
I think Ethan is high on paranoia, and even his name and home may, or are probably, fictions of his fuddled mind. He was sane on the plane, but now is noncompos mentis without meds. WHo are 'they' that Charlie referred to? Was it co-incidence that we end that episode finding a steel subterranean thingy, which i think is a tunnel/room from which may eminate echoing but muffled voices?
Here in Toronto, the pilot will be replayed on wednesday, followed in the coming weeks, no doubt, by all the epidsodes we have all seen. It will be great to watch from this new perspective...

[Aries7]

Claireandcharlie,

I am sorry to say, but you need to get a tape of HDTV to see the episode again. Charlie said the following at the end..."All they wanted was claire"....Not sure what you were watching....

[Wynter Zera]

He'd have to have some serious fake ID to get through airport security without using his real name.

[scrubschick]

I guess we get to watch the flight scenes tomorrow and see if we can spot him. At least I have a reason to watch (tho I'm still peeved we don't have a new ep tomorrow!!) I'm surprised they didn't check survivors against the manifest in the first place, but I guess they were kinda busy... Finding fresh water... Spearing wild boars... Building golf courses. ;)

hugs!
scrubs :D

[AilaAolani]

maybe Ethan Rom isn't is real name, and he got on the plane under his real name. Duh.

And somene has already dne this and posted in general discussion. they didn't see him. but they didn't see hurley either...

checking the passenger manifest wouldn't have occured to me - they had no reason to think that the people with them weren't survivrors... its not like many of them knew one another.

[Slim2004]

Isn't it interesting that the path splits off and leads to Locke finding what could be Rousseau's underground bunker. Couldn't Ethan have met up with her where the trail dissects then split up. Claire could very well have been taken to the bunker by Rousseau. Remember, she has all that medical equipment down there anyway. Locke & Boone may be about to discover some things before anyone else did.

[Shadow1138]

If you remember episode 10, when Hurley was going around asking everyone their name's...when he got to Ethan he called him by the wrong name. And Ethan was A) kind of annoyed and B) Hurley said something to the effect that "You think we would know each other by now" and Ethan was like "you think you would". I'll have to rewatch to double check exactly what he said.

But if someone who's been on the island for awhile either by himself of with a few "others" the person might have a hard time understanding people NOT knowing each other.

Just a thought.

[Rene]

BTW, has anyone with videotapes gone back and watched the flight scenes? It would be quite a laugh on us if we spent all this time arguing whether he was on it or not, when he was blatantly sitting in one of the flight scenes all along.

Yes, yes I have, and one time I watched specifically looking for extras and background stuff, and I have not yet seen Ethan... but I wish he was on the plane cause that would be more interesting than him already being on the island (IMO)

[Pepe le Pew]

Any of you might consider this:


What if Hurley lied???

what if that good old buddy Hurley just made up this missing name on the list to hide himself? I mean, it's not because he was there on the first episode next to the survivors that he can't be a guy FROM the island, right? It's not because that guys doesn't seem to be able to harm a bug, and keeps helping people all around that he couldn't be part of the "others"...
Second, it would be a really clever diversion manoeuver to focus everybody's attention on somebody else running away (Ethan is indeed involved in something, but can't Hurley be an accomplice or partner?) so he could concentrate on a different thing (killin them one by one, driving'em paranoid, lead them somewhere trappy...).

My, this guy Hurley freaks me out, he's the only guy that seems to have nothing to hide (plus, notice we didn't have any of his flashback bio either...) and seems to nice.
Remember Kaiser Sauze from "Usual supsects"? Or Laura's killer from "Twin Peaks"???

[Pepe le Pew]

Adding to my theory these posts:

p073.ezboard.com/flostthe...=612.topic (http://p073.ezboard.com/flosttheunofficalforumfortheabcseriesfrm29.showMes sage?topicID=612.topic)

And plus: Who else read the manifest, besides Hurley? (I dont believe Sawyer did...): No one, it seems...

[Aries7]

I tried again last night to notice if Hurley or Ethan were on the plane. No luck, however I did notice something which freaked me out....Two things actually...When they found the front of the plane and were climbing up towards the cockpit, all the folks in first class were dead and in their seats, however after they went into the cockpit and looked back out, I noticed a body was missing...when looking from the cockpit towards the back, it was the first or second seat on the left, it was a male. Just a bit weird.....And another thing, when they were showing the scene when the plane was crashing, the pixel resolution was not very good and I swore I noticed a childs face imposed in black in white fade in and out on a few screen stills....I wish I had the downloaded versions of the pilots to re-examine this..

[kLa]

I also looked for Hurley in the plane scenes but did not find him. Also, since the Pilot was not killed and he was just before first class, then we could say it's possible that somoen who was in first class also survived.

Does anyone have still pics of the plane and passengers for us to analyze and look for everyone?

[Aries7]

Yes, thats something that bothered me. If the pilot survived, why not anyone else in first class. Kind of odd that the pilot was out cold for 16 hours though......It looked like everyone else in first class had there oxygen masks on, had there seat belts, etc. If the pilot, why not them???