LOST Hiatus Rewatch #3: (11-18-09-11-24-09) Season 4: Epi: 4 "Eggtown"

[ZIA]

LOST Hiatus Rewatch: Season: 4 Episode: 4 "Eggtown"

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[AChristianShephard]

Hey i'm back :)

Well, i havn't really been gone very long, ive had quite a mad few days, ima tell you about it.

I was out on my bike (push not motor) when i came of it, not on a road or owt, not even a crash really, just me not concentrating haha.

Well, all i'll say is men and handlebars are not a particulary good mix.

So, woke up Sunday and started to prepare for a gig my band had here in sunny Nottingham, when i start getting a fair few pains, to the extent that i was beginning to have sweats and slightly dizzy, so, i thought id better nip down the accident and emergancy ward as the gig was still 8hrs away and i didnt think it wise to wait till after the gig.

After numerous proddings and fumblings they decided they had to send me to Neurology at the other major hospital here the other side of the city so got a lift from a nice ambulance driver. Now is the point where everything went pear shaped, first doctor decided he was gonna give me a local and sort it out there and then but there was an incision needed so when the knife guy came to have a look he said, 'no way, we need to put you in a bed for the night and operate whilst your under in the morning'!

Cue trippy dizzy spinning out of control music.

Well, everything went well, got home on Tues night, felt a bit dodgy yesterday but feel pretty good today.

Hey im rambling, telling strangers my life, but you cats are the only peeps i know here :Cheers::coffeedunk::nanabobo::Hippy:


So, there is a lesson to be learn't here, you never ever really know whats just around the next corner.

I'm betting my little story is more entertaining than Eggtown!

:Hugglepounce:

Cuddles please :)

[Randy Nations]

OMG! :eye-poppi That's terrible. I'm glad that you are home and feeling better....and just in time for episode 4. But, you're real life drama is far more important than Lost re-watches.......:Hugglepounce:

[AChristianShephard]

Thanks RN

Funny how fate can change your gameplan isnt it.

I tell you summit, im glad it wasn't Jack at the table, way too emotional :crazy:

[ozanna]

ACS - ooowwwwwwwwwww! Oh I can only imagine how much that must have hurt, and I'm not even a bloke ! So glad you're feeling better now, and back on board !

btw I would never let Jack near anything of mine ! You could have ended up with a very high voice ! So take it easy and keep away from the push bike for a while !

[Dew]

Best wishes ACS. I do not even want to entertain the pain. Such an owwwwie. :faintthud Feel better soon. :)

[AChristianShephard]

Thanks Dew, most appreciated, both been in the wars eh lol

[ZIA]

ACS! WTH? Why did they operate on you? I'm so glad you're ok!

[AChristianShephard]

Thanks for the kinds words Zia.

There were swellings that needed draining and certain 'entanglements' that needed sorting out. Hope that makes sense haha.

I'm actually quite honoured at this stage that fate looked at my situation and let me pass through unhindered (up to this point). I plan on taking advantage.



So i see everyones avoiding watching this episode :crazy1::crazy1::crazy1:

[ozanna]

ACS - I've actually watched it but haven't gotten around to commentating yet ! I think this was when I really started to get irritated with the writing - you can see the train wreck approaching but you can't do anything about it ! I will have a go later on today !

Glad to her you're improving and things are not as bad as they could have been. :)

[AChristianShephard]

Yeah i agree, i remember voicing some concern to my fellow Lostie friends after this episode.

Gonna watch now.

[ZIA]

So i see everyones avoiding watching this episode :crazy1::crazy1::crazy1:

LOL! Excellent powers of observation.

[AChristianShephard]

So it was a pretty poor episode wasn't it, this one, i actually got it confused with Julliettes flashback episode, so groaned even more when i saw it was Kates.

Now, a while back i said i wouldn't mention this anymore, but damn is Kate annoying. How can a show have it's two main characters (in the public eye) be so dislikable? Genious.
I made no sense of her story, and was, gulp, actually a little bored.
The court scenes were beyond contemptable and a disgrace to Losts legacy :mad:

Lockes attitude seems more understandable now, Miles is an awesome character, to think, were still missing two of the Oceanic 6 and have no idea whats on the Freighter haha.

I really do like Miles, i think he's my fave new character.

I can, unfortunately, only give this episode 6/10

Still thought the reveal at the end was amazing though.

[ozanna]

Now, a while back i said i wouldn't mention this anymore, but damn is Kate annoying. How can a show have it's two main characters (in the public eye) be so dislikable? Genious.
I made no sense of her story, and was, gulp, actually a little bored.
The court scenes were beyond contemptable and a disgrace to Losts legacy
I agree ACS - the court scenes were disgraceful - Jack even more so than Kate. I must confess I still haven't sussed it out properly yet, but I can't understand the point of that lie - well yes, to keep Kate out of jail, and to keep the rest of the Losties safe. But did he have to go to such extremes - even Kate looked uncomfortable ! She rescued them all, healed their wounds, fed them, nursed them, brought them back to life, and then gave birth to a child ? I'm sorry, but the idea of a heavily pregnant Kate dragging Hurley onto the beach just strikes me as a bit - um - unbelievable?

Ben has sure got Locke's knickers in a knot ! I love how Ben keeps his cool and manages to run rings around everybody ! Even when he's held captive.

Yes, Kate was a bit annoying ! And I don't like her anyway. Poor old Sawyer - he can't win a trick ! He's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. Nice shorts, though ! You're better off without her, mate !

More later. Just a thought, but when Kate and Claire were hanging out the washing and Clare asked Kate to hold Aaron, she was strangely reluctant to touch him, yet in the future she loved him like her own child .....:confused:

[AChristianShephard]

Yay its not just me being a moaning old man then. (not that i'm old).

Surely Kate must know that Aaron is special? Its insinuated all through this ep, from the way she refuses 'her son' to be brought into court, to the refusing her mother access, even though she's facing 15yrs min, to the way, as you mentioned, that she seemed almost scared of him on the island.
The whole things a mess.
And yes how ridiculous was Jacks character statement lmao.

I forget to mention how yummy Lockes breakfast looked, flipped fried eggs and melon? woah, wierd.

I haven't felt Locke being out of control as much as i did originally (though i think this board may of influenced that), after all, Claire, Hurley etc are still acting like their on friggin holiday. Think i'm gonna make a stand in the Locke camp as i dont agree in the slightest with the people who think he is a 'boob'.

I'd also like to point out how unbelievable it was that Frank didnt know where Sayid was from or what he does, when he instantly knew Juliettes name wasnt on the manifest, out of how many hundred passengers? Yet Miles could break down Kates shoe size.

I have 2 weeks of work, better not use all my moaning up in one post :curlers:

Edit - Edit - your point about Jacks lie being so extreme, maybe he has to take it that far in his head at that point to try and forget what has happened, he's in denial and being emotionally retarded its the only way he can handle it, along with not seeing Aaron?

[Randy Nations]

Thanks for the kinds words Zia.

There were swellings that needed draining and certain 'entanglements' that needed sorting out. Hope that makes sense haha.

I'm actually quite honoured at this stage that fate looked at my situation and let me pass through unhindered (up to this point). I plan on taking advantage.



So i see everyones avoiding watching this episode :crazy1::crazy1::crazy1:

That all actually sounds very serious. So, I have to say, once again, how glad I am that you are alright and doing so well.

And, thankfully, you're surgeon wasn't a weeping fool.......

And, I haven't watched yet, but I think that knowing the next episode is "The Constant" will help to get me through "Eggtown".

[ozanna]

I just had a thought .... oh dear, here we go again ! Before the 06 left, Locke said that they had to lie in order to keep the people left on the island safe. Well, since when has Jack ever done anything that Locke has told him to do ? So could he have compromised? He has told the most unbelievable lie he can think of, within reason, and obviously none of the others want to go along with it, but have to, to keep their friends safe. However maybe Jack is hoping the suspicious nature of his lie will cause people to investigate more thoroughly but neither he or any of the 06 can be directly blamed for letting the cat out of the bag.

I can't believe that I am crediting Jack with actually coming up with a clever plan, but it sort of makes sense in a way. Although at the time Jack was aware that he was going to get everybody off the island. But then wasn't that after they had lost Sawyer and Jin and the freighter had blown up that Jack started coming up with his deceit ? Oh well, just a thought.

ACS. I'm with you in the Locke camp - he really p....s me off sometimes, but I think he really does have the good of the island in his heart. Since the freighter turned up I've been 100% on board with Locke - I would trust him way more than I trust Jack, who gets fixated on something and won't let go (we once had a dog like that !) I still think that Locke and Sawyer may be step-brothers with Cooper as their father !

Hmmm, "The Constant" - all this flashing around in time is seriously going to challenge my brain power ! But it was such a good episode. I'll even overlook the lack of Sawyer but then he has been so badly used lately that its probably for the best !

[AChristianShephard]

From memory, Jack had no intention at all of lying about what happened, until on the raft when he saw the island vanish and was reprimanded by Hurley, at that moment, he seemed to realise Locke had been speaking the truth, i then think he exaggerated the lie to help hide behind it.

Pah, whatever, good riddance Eggtown :nanabobo:

[ozanna]

So Kate doesn't trust Sawyer. Well excuse me for sniggering a bit here, but isn't that a bit like the pot calling the kettle black !

I enjoyed Locke giving Ben his breakfast of fried eggs and melon (?) plus a copy of "Vallis" by Phillip K. Dick. Ben says he already read it but Locke says he might catch something he missed the second time around ! Hooray for the rewatch !

Kate is really tormenting Sawyer with the pregnancy thing. She's certainly making the most out of it !

Jack returns to the beach with Daniel and Charlotte and tells the beach people they are there to take them all off the island. Daniel has the grace to look a bit uncomfortable.

Sun and Jin are trying to decide where to live when they get off the island - Albuquerque ? The could be neighbours to Sawyer, Cassidy and Clementine !

Sun asks Jack - "What if Locke was right ? What if these people are here to hurt us ?"
Jack replies - "Locke has no idea what he's doing."
Sun (pauses) - "Then why is Kate with him ?"
This is Jack's biggest problem (well, one of them) - he will never give anyone a chance to offer an opinion, especially Locke. Its his way or the highway.

Sawyer was also doing a bit of double-crossing. Then when Locke banished Kate, he "unbanished" her but she left anyway ! Everybody seems to be getting the better of Sawyer these days. The tiger may not be able to change his stripes, but the teeth aren't as sharp as they used to be ! He never should have let Kate cut cut his hair - there go the cojones !

Oh well, thats about it for "Eggtown".

[Randy Nations]

Finally watched this last night. I'm glad that we all agree it was a very weak episode! The courtroom scenes were really bad, over the top. And some really poor acting. And, why did they make Kate look that way? The clothes, etc. just didn't fit. It was distracting to me. Kate is so extremely annoying now. I really liked her character Season 1, but she has just become this miserable person, even off the island. I agree, Jack's lie on the stand seemed a little much.

I have to ask you all, did any of you feel like the Kate pregnancy thing came out of nowhere? I remember the first time I saw the episode, I thought I had missed part of the episode. I don't know, it just seemed like it was presented to us as though it had already come up before. Bad editing? Moving on....

Anyone think this exchange between Sun and Jin was weird:

Sun: I want to raise my baby at home.
Jin: You mean "our" baby.

Hmm....:hmm: I think there is something more going on here.

[AChristianShephard]

A agree RN that this episode had some pretty poor editing in terms of the dialog flowing properly, guess it cant always be perfect, though we are used to it.

I noticed the 'our baby' and Kates pregnancy being brought up unsubtley too, but dont think theres anything more to it that slips in quality control.

Certainly returns with a bang in the next episode!

[Randy Nations]

And, btw, I love Miles too. He is also my favorite new character.

Does anyone know if anyone ever got a screen cap of the bottom of Kate's Dharma mug?

[Randy Nations]

I will say, while not a fan of this episode, it did yield some eyebrow-raising/small mystery moments. Examples that I can recall:


Jin correcting Sun when she refers to their baby as "my" baby
Miles demanding 3.2 million dollars. Why that amount? Was he giving Ben a message?
I believe it was the first mention of "8 of us survived", why include 2 more?
What were Daniel and Charlotte up to with the card memory game?


And, for me, a lingering time-line question was completely cleared up. At this point, Jack's dad's memorial service had passed and he was fully aware, that Aaron was his nephew. NOW, I understand why he didn't want to see him.

That's all I've got on this one.

Bring on "The Constant" :banana:(my favorite)....

[sgtdraino]

Think i'm gonna make a stand in the Locke camp as i dont agree in the slightest with the people who think he is a 'boob'.

Way to go, ACS! Perhaps you'd like to join us?

http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=25704

[ZIA]

Another recruiter. Cheers! :)

[ozanna]

Gotta just mention Kate's "pregnancy" briefly. What was the point ? After Sawyer killed Cooper Locke gives him a tape to play to the other Losties. Its of Juliet discussing Sun's pregnancy, and saying she is getting samples from the other single women and should have Austen's soon. On the other side of the tape is Ben replying that if they find any other pregnant women they should mark the tents, and they will take them too. So it was never actually stated that Kate was pregnant. But when Sawyer and Kate both heard the tape the seed was sown (if you'll pardon the expression !)

Now Sawyer was seriously concerned about Kate maybe being pregnant but as he said "what the hell would we do with a baby ?" and she immediately took exception to this and said what's so bad about me being pregnant, and so on, while he was concerned about the fact that she might die, apart from the impracticality of the whole thing. Plus he already has a child back home. It almost felt like she was leading him on, and then leveled with him and said she wasn't. Sawyer, of course, being his usual inappropriate self, greeted this with a big "whoohee !" and Kate went marching off to Jack !

I always thought this storyline was just something to give Kate a bit more to do. Other than that it was just a waste of time.

[Randy Nations]

I couldn't agree more! I actually thought it kind of came out of nowhere. When he first says to her, on the porch, "oh it's the pregnancy thing", it was almost like we were supposed to have heard about this before, and we hadn't (to my knowledge). And, you're right, it really served no purpose, except maybe to set up her having Aaron after they're rescued. But they didn't really need to do this to set that up. One good thing to come out of it though.....was Sawyer really laying into her about he flip flopping between him and Jack. I did love that!

[ozanna]

OK promise this will be my last hit here, but again there was a brief hint in TTLG when Kate mentions to Sawyer that he's sleepwalking, and what happened to him since he brought that tape back. She then says that Juliet was going to be testing her to see if she's pregnant and Sawyer says "well lets hope you're not". Kate for some reason looks hurt, like being pregnant would be such a happy event ! But Sawyer taking her up on the bouncing backwards and forwards between him and Jack was classic , RN! I loved him for that, and I can't understand why TPTB have turned her into such a skanky little tease. Anyone remember that Paul Simon song about a girl they called "the human trampoline !" Sorry Kate, but if the cap fits, wear it !

[AChristianShephard]

She was like that from the very start though Ozzy.
Remember Sawyer saying 'ive met girls like you before'.

And so have I.

Good writing really.

[Annie]

I liked the play on words with the title. Locke throwing
the last two eggs against the wall. Then perhaps it was a
references to reproductive eggs.

Sawyer and Hurley, as usual, are great together.
The thing I found most irritating about Kate was the
way she responded to Sawyer when he proposed they
live together in his house on the island. For what
reason was she so anxious to get back to civilization?
(Remember her trying to get a spot on the raft.)

As far as the Court scenes I can
find only one explanation other than outrageous plot.
Were there powerful men or forces controlling the
outcome of the trial? It's a little lame, but
it seems as if some powerful person or group of
people may be controlling much of what happens
to our losties (and their fake counterparts.)

[AChristianShephard]

(Remember her trying to get a spot on the raft.)


Were there powerful men or forces controlling the
outcome of the trial?

That madam, is pure unadulterated genius, cant believe we didn't think of that, BRAVO!

[ozanna]

That madam, is pure unadulterated genius, cant believe we didn't think of that, BRAVO!
Why does the name BEN suddenly come to mind !

Good point, Annie - and there was always something so suss about that damn trial. And Jack has got so used to lying I don't think he can tell the difference any more. And I reckon the losties have been manipulated right from the start. How come Christian has been lurking around since "The White Rabbit" I think it was ? :)

[AChristianShephard]

Seems so obvious now.

[11Rooster11]

I agree that this is one of the weakest episodes.

But there are a few things that deserve to be said.

The court scenes are IMO the low point in the writing for the entire series.

The mention of 8 surviving the crash. We never found out who? right? Why not say Claire delivered the baby mid flight and Aaron survived the crash but Claire didn't? It would eliminate all the age issues and Kate pregnancy timeline issues. Of course Kate wouldn't get to keep him and raise him.

We were left wondering if Kate was pregnant at the end of S3. The writers fed on that mystery and made us think that she must be pregnant showing the FF's mentioneing her son. It was designed to mislead for the reveal at the end. It was actually pretty effective.

I recall a debate that Kate was having her special female time of the month. That is why she was certain she was not pregnant. It would also explain why she didn't let Sawyer have his way with her.

Why would Jack knowing that Aaron is his nephew make him stay away? I would think he would stay away if it were Sawyer & Kate's.

[AChristianShephard]

On that last point iI believe its because he is emotionally retarded. :)

[Oceanic]

The mention of 8 surviving the crash. We never found out who? right? Why not say Claire delivered the baby mid flight and Aaron survived the crash but Claire didn't? It would eliminate all the age issues and Kate pregnancy timeline issues. Of course Kate wouldn't get to keep him and raise him.


Jack said during the press conference that Boone and Charlie were the 2 crash survivors that later died. Interesting that those two were picked...:hmm:

[GardenMom]

Both Boone and Charlie sacrificed their lives for their fellow 815'ers. Jin could also be included in that catagory, but I'm hoping he's still alive.

[11Rooster11]

Both Boone and Charlie sacrificed their lives for their fellow 815'ers. Jin could also be included in that catagory, but I'm hoping he's still alive.

That is certainly the case however, I don't think Jack would be viewing Boone's death in that light.

[ZIA]

LOST Hiatus Rewatch:
Week 26

Weds., November 18th-November 24th, 2009

Season 4: Episode 4
Eggtown


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[Megamuffin]

Ooh! Can I start now? Hate this one, want to get it out of the way lol

[ZIA]

Yeah, it wasn't one of my favorites either.

[Megamuffin]

Watching now. Will post my first rewatch recap soon :D

[World Walker]

Watching now. Will post my first rewatch recap soon :D

Welcome to the Rewatch, Megamuffin! :)

[Megamuffin]

It's rewatch therapy hour at Santa Rosa, they almost didn't let me join because of my outburst during Jackface therapy.

[World Walker]

It's rewatch therapy hour at Santa Rosa, they almost didn't let me join because of my outburst during Jackface therapy.

You mean this outburst?


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:rofl1:

[ZIA]

HAHAHAHA!! :D

[Megamuffin]

Yup, that one :D

[Megamuffin]

Season 4 EggTown

Also known to me as "Another Crappy Kate FlashForward" (don't hate on me, I just can't want to like that girl, no matter how many times I watch her - not Evangeline, just Kate)

Oh, the classic eyeball shot :D

Why was there a place to keep prisoner's in Ben's house? Who made it and what was it's purpose?
Great exchange between Locke and Ben. But I knew even at this point that Michael was the spy. Maybe they shouldn't have put his name in the credits starting with the premiere.
"Excellent John, you're evolving!" Love you Ben :D John should really stop breaking dishes over Ben.

Oh crap! There goes our theory on the Everything has Changed board. The Dharmaville looks like crap. I forgot the Others left in a big hurry to get away from the Barracks (in Season 3). From the looks of it, they're the ones that knocked stuff over.
How cute was it that Sawyer wanted to play house with Kate?
Kate's stupid pregnancy scare. She's mean in this episode. So moody. Where's the Dharma Midol?

The first scene of Kate going in to the court had been spoiled for me months before. It's why I stopped checking spoilers.
Why did it take so long to try Kate? And why wasn't she in custody the whole time? Plane crash or no crash, she was still a fugitive on the run. I love how Kate is surprised that they called her a flight risk. DUH. You might as well have it tattooed all over your face.

Awww! I LOVE Sun and Jin.

Still don't understand why everyone took John's crap. "If I was a dictator, I would just shoot you, and go about my day" Please John. DO IT. Please.

:rotfl: "You just Scooby-Dooed me didn't you" don't tell Hurley anything.

Why are we keeping Miles in the boat house? Then again, why does John care if Kate talks to him. I didn't like the fact that Kate's big mystery was wanting to know if they knew who she was. But that's cause I didn't care :D

They did a really good job of jumping around Kate being pregnant and having a child in the flash forward.

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Can someone PLEASE tell Jack that's a REALLY bad place to keep your gun? Thanks :D
Juliet finally gets to be funny - haha - try to call 911

Remember being so confused as to what was taking Sayid so long to get to the boat.

Why did Rousseau decide to stay and chill in the Barracks with the Losties?

Blah! Kate can't even pull off the awkward baby-holding moment. Just pick up the crying baby!

Why did Kate object to having Jack involved in the trial? I hate when she pretends to have a conscience :) Totally blown away by Jack's big fat lie. Remember trying to figure out why they told the story that they did. Who came up with it? Why? (See, Lost DOES answer SOME questions). Except why they added extra people in. Jack is SUCH a bad liar. Try to not make your squinty face before you lie hero.

Sawyer needs to go to Hogwarts to get his glasses fixed, cause that shoddy rubber band job is ridiculous. Wine in a box? Please. I love when James calls people out on their b.s.

There's that darn backgammon again. teehee "I think they're saying 'baa'". Sawyer penned a future episode title: If Hugo Knows, Everybody Knows.

Overall, not impressed with Kate's plan. It was risky and could have failed at any time and was pretty pointless. Just my opinion. Again, I believe it's heavily clouded with stink of Katred. Hmm, Miles, why 3.2 million ;)? What can Ben 'do'? And how did Miles plan to 'take care of' Charlotte?

One of my least favorite/least likable Locke moments: "You're not welcome here anymore" Okay John, whatever.

I don't get how, because Kate's mom won't testify, she gets off on all the other charges. Plea agreement my butt, there are plenty of other witnesses to all the other crimes she committed. You can't commit crimes just because you are trying to get away from a charge you should go to jail for anyways.
I guess I do feel for Kate with her mommy issues. It's sad. Kate's mom sucks.

Where did Dan and Charlotte get a set of Swan playing cards? And why wasn't the island healing Dan's mind faster? Maybe it was. I like Juliet and Jack better as a team, than Jack and Kate.
To this day, I still don't get what's with the time differences on and off the island.

How long did Miles stand there with that grenade in his mouth? Is that one of the mysteries that will be answered in Season 6? I hope so. Maybe he really exploded and died, and he's been a walking ghost the whole time. j/k

I want to know the Tv/Movie secret of waking up and not having morning breath. But then again, they're probably all so rank most of the time it doesn't matter. You know, with the island probabilities, how did Kate NOT get pregnant? How does Kate slap Sawyer for telling the truth. Dang, we woman are sensitive. He was right though.

Did anyone else think when Kate made her plea deal that she wasn't gonna be able to pull it off? Good ol' Kate. Never lets us down. No point in Kate going back home now. Can Jack really not afford a better vehicle than that crappy Bronco? Sheesh.
Once we found out Kate's kid was Aaron, all I wanted to know was A) how the hell did she get Aaron from Claire and B) did Jack know yet that Aaron was his nephew??? One of my favorite parts about Season 4 was the anticipation they built up for the finale. Instead of what would happen, it was HOW and WHY???

Best part about this episode: The previews for NEXT WEEK!

[ozanna]

Well, I actually had second thoughts about rewatching this one, but the lure of Sawyer sprawled on the bed wearing those little white shorts convinced me ! I actually got a crick in my neck trying to look up his shorts. But it was not a good episode. That Court scene was actually comical it was so ridiculous. Kate standing there like butter wouldn't melt in her mouth pretending she dragged all the survivors out of the wreckage with her own hare hands - including Hurley ...:rolleyez: Also Jack - lying through his back teeth, also as if butter wouldn't melt in his mouth. :D Disgraceful TPTB - how about a little respect. :mad:

I am not a Kate fan, Megamuffin, nor a Jack fan if it comes to that, but I actually wouldn't mind seeing Sawyer and Jack becoming friends in S6. See this is why I'm luxuriating in the Santa Monica - I tend to be delusional !

As for Kate and her "pregnancy" - was she ever ? Well Sawyer sure seemed happy that she wasn't ! But Sawyer is a Realist - Man of Reason - he knew it was not a good idea. She refused to move into his nice comfy little house, and he retaliated by Ya-hooing with glee when she said she wasn't pregnant. No, not very appropriate behaviour, but since when has Sawyer ever been appropriate ? I think that a lot of his outlandish statements can be put down to not wanting to appear to be too sensitive or caring. He doesn't want to get too close.

I have to go now - its 104F here today and my fingers are sticking to the keyboard ! And its not even summer yet. *Sigh*

See you later.

[Megamuffin]

:faintthud 104??? And here I sit in 20 degrees and snow :D

[ozanna]

:faintthud 104??? And here I sit in 20 degrees and snow :D

Aussie summers - hideous. It dropped to the low 90's overnight - I'm going to need special medication when the next power bill arrives. I'm not a huge fan of snow, I grew up in the UK, but a bit of snow now and then wouldn't hurt !

[Megamuffin]

I like my White Christmases. But the snow doesn't seem to get that by White Christmas, I mean ONE DAY ONLY.

[ozanna]

Oh, I so miss my white christmas :cry: 110F and a barbeque is NOT Christmas to my way of thinking ! :rolleyez:

[Megamuffin]

Spokane may not have much, but it definitely gets the 4 seasons

[Dew]

Eggtown. These are the last 2 eggs and here is some melon. Locke tells Kate she is no longer welcome. At the same time, Kate is hormonal and has no idea what she wants. Kate and her court stuff was really boring. :bored:

Sawyer hit the nail on the head with his, "Because in about a week, you'll find some reason to get pissed at Jack and bounce right back to me." Go Sawyer go!

Jack is still $.90 short of a dollar. What I said was a lie. I was surprised his pants weren't on fire. ;)

Locke is losing it and here we go with Miles. He has a grenade breakfast compliments of Locke.

[World Walker]

Eggtown wasn’t my favorite episode when I first watched it and it’s probably one of the weakest in Season Four. The focus on Kate’s inability to choose between Sawyer and Jack—bouncing back and forth between them—really isn’t my cup of tea. The twists in the episode and some of the information we gained about the Oceanic Six was interesting, though. It was also very surreal to see the Losties in Dharmaville because I had a theory they’d move in after the Others left back in Season Three—also because some of the Losties are destined to end up living in Dharmaville back in the seventies. Kate as Aaron’s mom off the Island was a pretty neat and puzzling reveal.

Who else thought Locke experienced a certain, savage pleasure living in Ben’s house—sleeping in his bed, using his refrigerator—while keeping the man in question locked up in his own basement? :nanabobo:

This episode reveals that the oddly nondescript place Ben kept Locke after the sub exploded in The Man From Tallahassee was under Ben’s house. This was also where they were holding Anthony Cooper.

Locke: “You might catch something you missed the second time around.” – Ladies and gentlemen, the truth about LOST in one simple statement. :D

Ben locked in a small room with Locke coming to visit him is very reminiscent of Ben’s imprisonment in The Swan during Season Two.

Locke claims he knows that Ben is trying to play mind games with him, but he still succumbs regardless. Regrettably, he doesn’t even have enough control to smash the dishes out of Ben’s earshot. Not the best way to show your enemy that you’re in control, Locke…:rolleyez:

Ben: “Excellent, John, you’re evolving!” :rotfl:

No matter how many times I watch this episode, I still find it extremely odd how the authorities waited so long to try Kate for her crimes. You’d think—baby or no baby, trauma or no trauma—they would have arrested her quickly after the Oceanic Six returned.

Locke asserts that the way he’s running things is not a democracy. Ironically, this contradicts his mindset in early Season Three (The Cost of Living) when he was very open about going to The Pearl and let anyone come along with him. At that time, he claimed he didn’t do things like Jack, implying that Jack made decisions alone, acting on very little input (unlike a democracy, in other words). Now he implies that Jack ran things like a democracy; some of Jack’s decisions, yes—many, no. Locke also seems to be on a large power trip and maybe his insecurities, kindled by his failure to find the cabin coupled with Ben’s goading, have inspired the things he said to Kate.

Hurley: “You just totally Scooby-Dooed me, didn’t you?” :clap:

They show Kate walking through the woods to reach the boat house where Locke was keeping Miles. That implies that the boat house is not in the barracks and probably closer to the dock where the sub used to be. I wonder how long a walk that really is and if they have to pass through the pylons again to reach the barrack’s docks.

That was a great fake-out they set us up for in this episode. When Kate mentions her son in the flash-forward, we think, ‘Oh, it must be Sawyer’s!’ and they leave us wide open so they can pull the carpet out from under us when they reveal that ‘her son’ is Aaron. That scene between Kate and Claire hanging the laundry was our huge hint.

Jack claimed that their plane crashed on an Island in the South Pacific, yet the cover story we’re familiar with toward the end of the season has the crash happening in the Indian Ocean where the fake wreckage is located. TPTB really dropped the ball on that continuity error. :pissed:

Hurley’s wink was great—as was Sawyer’s response to it! :)

Sawyer: “So, just be woman enough to tell me you want to use me for somethin’.”

To Ben, the sound of Kate shooting the lock off the door to break in must have been reminiscent of the time Michael shot Ana Lucia and Libby to free him. Both times, gunshots preceded the opening of his cell door. Thankfully, this time there were no casualties—and Ben does not escape.

Now we know that the 3.2 million Miles wanted was double the money offered by Widmore’s people. He also tried to get this figure from Bram when they were trying to recruit him in Some Like It Hoth.

This is the first time Kate and her mom have met since the hospital many years before when Kate’s mom hoarsely tried to call for help.

Now that we’ve seen The Variable, the card scene between Daniel and Charlotte makes a lot more sense. They were testing the degree of Island healing on Daniel’s memory and discovered that he was indeed healing, albeit slowly.

Discovering that the helicopter never made it back to the boat was a huge, “Oh crap!” moment that nicely sets up the next episode. :thumbs_up

Poor Miles had to bite down on a grenade for breakfast. How long are we to assume Locke left him like that? That’s gotta suck.

Sawyer, though tactless, had a point when he told Kate that in about a week she’d find some reason to get mad at Jack and bounce right back. She really is unable to make up her mind. I have a feeling that Kate is aware of this and she’s masking the anger for herself by taking it out on Sawyer. Deep down, she must know he’s right about the pregnancy. If she would have been pregnant, she would have run the risk of dying like all the pregnant mothers on the Island. Besides, is the Island really a good environment to raise a child? Sawyer selfishly, though practically, knows this.

Kate got ten years probation, which apparently means she is not allowed to leave the state. The thing that bugs me about this is that in Season Five, she books a ticket on Ajira Flight 316. Don’t you think that would have raised a red flag and the authorities would have been waiting at the terminal to arrest her? The writing surrounding the legal aspects of this episode was shaky at best. :no:

Jack is still weirded out by the fact that Kate is taking care of Aaron, who turned out to be his nephew. He won’t get over this until Something Nice Back Home.

Kate: “Hi, Aaron.”

Again, not the best episode in Season Four—definitely one of the weakest, in fact. A few interesting scraps here and there, but nothing to go nuts over. That ladies and gentlemen, is what our next episode is for! :Cheers:

By the way, Locke chose the black piece during the backgammon game.

[ZIA]

UGH! I had to make myself watch this episode, and then only half-heartedly. The entire court ordeal was so ridiculously overplayed and unbelievable. I thought by this time in LOST, the writers would give us alot more credit than they did. It played like one of those old soap operas people used to watch. I have no idea if they still do or not. Lol! If you think about it, Kate went on the crime spree of a lifetime, and just walked away.

Did she even have an ankle bracelet on?

[Megamuffin]

Of course not Zia. One thing Lost definitely doesn't follow well is the law.

[ozanna]

The whole thing was absolutely astonishing, Zia ! Aaron for a start - would Kate and Aaron not have been given medical check-ups ? A Doctor can tell quite easily if a woman has given birth or not. If there was any suspicion of foul play, such as no sign of child birth, one would think the authorities would have been right on to it. I wonder who was there pulling the strings ? Jack and Kate both looked guilty as hell !

[AChristianShephard]

The biggest mystery for me is why ive just sat through the whole episode even though I was bored out of my face.

Are we all agreeing on something?

That spells trouble.

I still havnt tried friend eggs and melon, it looks so yummy somehow, always makes me hungry.

There are some things about this episode that I dont really understand but im just to uninterested to bother pointing them out, terrible. This Kate is so poor compared to S1&2 Kate.

Weird thing to say about a tv program, like she's a real person or something lol, LOST does that to you.

3/10

[ozanna]

Fried eggs - yes ! Melon - yes, yes, yes ! Together - no, no, no !

Weird thing to say about a tv program, like she's a real person or something lol, LOST does that to you.

Like Sawyer in his short shorts. Yum !

[AChristianShephard]

Behave :lmao:

[ozanna]

I am ... sort of :bullwhip:

[ZIA]

The whole thing was absolutely astonishing, Zia ! Aaron for a start - would Kate and Aaron not have been given medical check-ups ? A Doctor can tell quite easily if a woman has given birth or not.

Not to mention the fact that she was in custody prior to the crash, so she would have had a full medical exam. It's just a matter of someone counting back the months and doing the math, and for such a high profile court hearing...well, you know. :rolleyez:

The biggest mystery for me is why ive just sat through the whole episode even though I was bored out of my face.

LMAO! I had the same biggest mystery!! Deja vu.

Are we all agreeing on something?

That spells trouble.

Hahahaha! We are? All of us? Mark this day in history people! :D

Fried eggs - yes ! Melon - yes, yes, yes ! Together - no, no, no !

Really? Sounds pretty good to me. LOL!

I am ... sort of :bullwhip:

Pfft! When has that EVER happened? :)

[ozanna]

Originally Posted by AChristianShephard
The biggest mystery for me is why ive just sat through the whole episode even though I was bored out of my face.

I solved that, Shep - that's where the Nintendo DS comes in very handy. :)