Further into woods no incidents?

[Baron X]

Our intrepid band seems to be over the hump when it comes to being attacked by creatures. They had to make many, many trips into the woods to get a lot of fire wood to burn the fuselage. Then for subsequent fires they would have to be traveling farther and farther to find more wood. Yet the island now seems to be perfectly safe. Jack did not see so much as a turtle on his trek. What's up?

[JacksGirlfriend]

Maybe they're just not supposed in certain parts of the island. Or maybe the burning of the fuselage had something to do with it.

JacksGirl

[LostXphile]

It could be that the creature or creatures aren't hunting all the time. Surfers spend a lot of time in waters that have sharks but rarely do they get bitten, humans aren't a normal part of a sharks diet. And my sister spent some time in the Amazon and even swam in the Amazon river. There was one time where shortly after she got out of the river some boys netted quite a few piranha not far from where she was swimming. It freaked her out a bit but she felt better after having a few of those piranhas for dinner :D . I guess even though dangerous animals may be in the vicinity it doesn't necessarily mean they are always in attack or hunting mode.

[JacksGirlfriend]

Maybe it only responds to what it considers threats.

The pilot certainly jumped out of nowhere. The boar took it by surprise so it was attacked. Locke didn't move and he was safe. People wandering in the woods in a daze, tired and looking for wood wouldn't be perceived as a threat. And although Jack was running and frantic, the very randomness of his movement may have implied something more frightened than it was itself, so Jack was safe.

Perhaps the creature is actually timid (still big and scary though) and only reacts out of fear. I thought this when the show first came out. I viewed the attack on the pilot as a reaction to danger, maybe an infringement on territory or nesting grounds.

JacksGirl

[Baron X]

But what are the odds on this being a solo creature? How long could a solo creature survive? What is the life span of our larger animals? Elephants are long lived, right? 30 years I think. Anybody remember how long a dinosaur's life span was? (Yes, I know it is not supposed to be a dinosaur, just checking for reference) And then you have to figure if it was artificially mutated that should have shortened it's life span.

[Nikki125]

Maybe it only responds to what it considers threats.
I think so too. It would certainly explain why it didn’t attack Locke and also why Jack was able to get away from it in the pilot episode.

Anybody remember how long a dinosaur's life span was?
Depends on the dinosaur. Estimates vary from as little as 40 years for the small ones to as much as 200 years or more for large ones. However, most of the largest dinosaurs usually lived to be around 150 years old IIRC.

[Enchirito]

I like the idea that the creature is just an extension of the island and the island only kills those who are not supposed to be on the island. Like the pilot. He was supposed to be dead, he wasn't, so the creature got him. Also the lady who drown was a diver which doesn't make sense except that when the island wants you dead, you die. So I don't think the creature will kill any more of our beloved regulars since they are all 'supposed to be there'. It should be perfectly safe for them to roam the woods as much as they please.

The great thing about this theory is that if the creature kills again it disproves my theory right away. :D

[Vicki]

I actually noticed that too...I agree that it might only be certain parts of the island...after all it looks like the area like in the pilot (mountainous, grassy areas and also the part with the front of the plane) are completely different from the recent areas that they've been in. But who knows, the other theory could make sense too.

[Colonel Sanders luvs Lost]

It would appear that it only strikes those wounded, or to slow to out run it....I have this impression it's watching what is going on.

[Zambini Stardust]

Or conquered the creature, or whatever you want to call it. Think about it...the last time anyone was threated with physical harm by the island/creature was the boar-hunting scene. Locke stood his ground, and 'it' killed the boar instead of him, and even let him take the boar. Since then...no monsters, no polar bears, no loud noises and trees swaying, no bodies being snatched up. The drowning swimmer was not the victim of 'it', she was just unlucky or stupid.

Of course, maybe she was the victim of 'it.' We didn't actually see her go under water, did we? She was there, a big wave blocked our view, she was gone. Where? Presumed drowned but maybe actively pulled under, or pulled away. Maybe even still alive. They never recovered her body, did they? But this is a bit off-topic, so back at the ranch...

I think Locke tamed 'it' by looking into 'the eyes of the island,' whatever that means, and seeing the beauty. Whatever was manifesting their fears has been tamed. Not permanently, mind you, or there wouldn't be much show left, would there? But for a time, at least, they seem to be safely wandering about. They don't even seem to be worried about 'it' anymore. Notice when Jack was AWOL no one said omigosh he'll be killed! And when Locke said he would go ALONE to get water no one said omigosh you'll be eaten! They sense a temporary reprieve from the threat.

Or maybe I'm just hallucinating.

[MangaKhan]

I agree with Enchirito (your making me hungry).

The two deaths were of people that were not supposed to be there. Locke is there for a reason, so was not killed by the creature, much like Boone and Jack were not killed by the riptide the island sent to kill Joanna, the experienced scuba diver.

[morbius47]

Okay, if the island is killing everyone that was not supposed to be in the "lost section" of the plane, does that mean that either Shannon, Boone, or Charlie is next to go?

[Radagast de Brun]

Don't forget Jack; he got transferred from first class; then again, supposedly he was originally meant to die in the pilot.

[morbius47]

Good point. I wonder if the fact that he chose to go into the lost section will spare him? Boone and Shannon weren't allowed to for some reason, and Charlie found a seat there after the plane started going down.

[Baron X]

Locke stood his ground, and 'it' killed the boar instead of him, and even let him take the boar.


You say this like you saw it happen. For all we know Locke could have run away screaming like a little girl and accidentally ran into another boar fatally stabbing it in the jugular. Saying it 'killed the boar instead of him' makes it seem like it looked at Locke, then it looked at the boar and then chose the boar. Unless there was an extended version to the show that I missed, I think I will with hold jumping on this particular ship.

[Enchirito]

copied from my post on another thread:

Since we only see Locke and never what he is looking at we have only the sounds to tell us what happened.

-First we hear the boar squeal a few times.

-Then we hear it take off running (presumably it saw the monster)

-Then it squeals really loudly at the same time we hear the familiar sounds of the monster (it really does sound like heavy machinery to me)

-After than you don't hear the boar anymore and the monster walks out of the trees to do who-knows-what to Locke.

So by the sounds we hear it is implied that the monster killed a boar. Maybe not THE boar but the popular theory is that the monster gave the boar we hear being killed to Locke.

Is that not what you heard Baron X?

[Baron X]

I agree with your hearing, but they obviously don't want us to know what happened. So I am not too trusting with the few crumbs they gave us. To have the 'creature' evolve so much before it even appears on screen seems a bit odd. It has gone from menacing, to killer, to provider in 4 episodes. At this rate they will be teaching it to fetch by episode 7.

Theories are fine until they are proven. A lot of people have accepted theories and are just moving forward and building on top of them, meanwhile they seem to have forgotten we don't actually know anything. I prefer to keep my theories one to two levels deep, less chance for error. But everybody should not be like me, be as gung ho as you like. It's just a long way to fall if it doesn't work out. Best of luck to everyone.8)

[SupermanOX]

I agree, deep down I keep thinking that someone in the group wasn't on the plane to begin with, and they have just been quiet about it. Seems like tomorrow night should really prove or disprove some theories though because they do some serious exploring, at least from the commercials I've seen.

[Baron X]

We better see some wildlife. If they go to the water, their should definitely be some animals.

[Zambini Stardust]

"gone from menacing, to killer, to provider in 4 episodes"

Or maybe there's more than one creature.

Or maybe there's no creature at all (natural phenomenon, or mass hysteria - after all they've been through not impossible).

Or maybe the creature didn't give the dead boar to Locke as I suggested, but simply left it there and walked away without noticing Locke.

Or maybe it was killer in the first episode (pilot in the cockpit) because it was reacting to a new threat in it's homeland. Now it's had time to calm down.

Who knows?

I do. But I'm not telling. Contracts and confidentiality agreements and State Department clearance, you know.

[Baron X]

I am not sure how much of a new threat the pilot should have been, the big hunk of metal from the sky, what? 12-18 hours before the mulching of the pilot. Beast had a full day got to it when it could. :lol

[mnemosyne23]

I know JJ has said that the creature, while a factor of life on the island, is not going to be THE center of attention. It's more a sidebar; an added question mark that the castaways are going to have to endure and learn to live with, that will subsequently affect how they interact with each other.

Within the canon of the show (versus the real life wishes of the creators), I wonder if the monster was perhaps sleeping or hibernating (heaven knows why) when the plane crashed into the island, and woke up as a result of the racket. It might be that it's gotten drowsy since then, and only perks up to chase our characters and wreak merry hell on them when they come treading on its toes. The island IS fairly large, so if there's only one creature, it's got a big territory to roam.

But how can there be only one creature? If it's a flesh and blood type of thing, then shouldn't there be more? A parent monster, or a mate monster? Unless they've died or been killed off (possibly starvation?), and the one that's hassling our survivors is the last remaining Whatever of its kind. But then wouldn't they have found a body or two? Or stumbled across a big invisible bump in the forest that they conclude must BE a body? I'm a believer in the idea that this isn't a flesh-and-blood monster so much as some kind of psychological or scientific phenomenon. I have no idea WHAT kind of psychological or scientific phenomenon, but that's my story and I'm sticking to it. LOL!


- M

[Enchirito]

don't forget it sounds very machine-like. I always imagine a mech-warrior or old-school giant robot whenever i hear it. Watch the scene in the ep1 where you see it's shadow move past the cockpit window. It doesn't look like animal movement, it seems very stiff.

Also, the best evidence I can think of that there are at least 2 of these things is in ep1 when they first hear it they look one direction and then another sound is heard and they make a big deal of all the castaways looking in a completely different direction. And I don't think this thing can move very fast so I have sort of come to the conclusion that there are at least 2 things out there.

[Baron X]

That was one of my points somewhere..........
How can there be only one? I admit that I had not considered it being the last of whatever it is. That would be awfully convenient.

[WhereRwe]

Forgive me if this has been brought up before. I haven't seen it mentioned anywhere. But what if the Beast doesn't like guys in uniform and that's why it took out the pilot, but not Locke. Locke wasn't wearing a uniform. Any thoughts on that?

WhereRwe

[Baron X]

wouldn't it have to be trained not to like uniforms, or had a past being abused by some one in uniform? It would need to be a similar uniform. And it was trying to get Jack who was not in a uniform, he just out ran it.............or did he?

[WhereRwe]

I don't think the Beast was trying to get Jack. Yes, it may have been coming after him, but not to get or hurt him. It would have caught him if it really wanted to. Predatory animals will chase animals that run from them because they perceive them as food and yes, some predatory animals place their kill in trees to protect it from other animals (leopards will put their kill in tree to keep it away from hyenas).

I'm beginning to think that the Beast was part of a military operation/experiment and was abused by people in uniform. It doesn't matter if the pilot's uniform was the same as the military uniforms. Pain is pain....an animal will associate one uniform for another.

Case in point....my DD (not that she's an animal, but bare with me here:lol ) had to have surgeries as an infant. She would have her heel stuck repeatedly by white-coat wearing lab techs for blood samples. The day after her release from the hospital, I had her with me as I was shopping. A white-coat wearing seafood clerk walked past us. My 1 year old DD reacted by pulling closer to me in fear of the seafood clerk. DD associated the white coat and also the person wearing it with pain. The coats were different, but pain is pain. It didn't matter to her that she wasn't in the hospital or a grocery store---white coat=pain.

Maybe it the same thing for the Beast! Uniform=pain. Regularly clothed people=no pain.


WhereRwe

[Woodnymph12]

Maybe the castaways should all go naked just to be on the safe side..

[seraphism]

good point whererwe, that jives well with the comic book theory as well (ie. monster is some kind of big misunderstood thing thats only attacking because of the things it's been put through by the people who where studying it). It would also explain locke surviving.

[Colonel Sanders luvs Lost]

It should be interesting when the survivors bump into the French woman who made the sos message. (I'm assuming that will happen) I bet she may have an answer to this question.

[pirate2323]

Maybe they are really on the set of the new Godzilla movie and they just haven't added the CGI of the lizard yet.

That would explain the trees moving without seeing anything, the dead half mauled pilot, Godzilla being pissed locke stole his boar, the cast not knowing where they are, and the fact half the plane was probably moved to the other side of the island.

I explained the whole thing with science. i am the winnnaaaaa.

[pirate2323]

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[Zambini Stardust]

I doubt whether 'it' could distinguish uniform from civvies sufficiently to want to kill the pilot but not anyone else, especially if you are hypothesizing that the initial uniform hatred started with military uniforms. Unless 'it' was abused by sailors in full-dress whites, 'it' would have no way of knowing the pilot's white shirt was a uniform. I think the uniform-fear theory is too far-fetched.

It's not the same for a human child or infant who is associates one white coat with another. There, the similarity is much more pronounced, and the responder is human and might have more perceptive ability than whatever 'it' is. Might. But even if not, I still don't think 'it' would have associated the pilot's white shirt with an abusive uniform, but not associate Jack's white shirt and dark suit in the same way.

[Baron X]

applause, applause.

[Leafy]

I think it is a vehicle of some kind for --oh, let's say a mad scientist (can't think of anything better at the moment). It has a controller of some sort, but is a machine. The sound of whatever "it" is, not counting the "music" soundtrack, just sounds too mechanical to be a living monster.

As for the people hunting wood, if there is only one of "it", they'd be relatively safe. How do we know how far into the jungle they had to go for wood? There could have been a lot of dry driftwood on the beach too.

[WhereRwe]

Ok Zambini, I see your point.:)

I was just talking about my thoughts on the subject, not formulating a theory or anything. Sure, the pilot's shirt was white and so was Jack's. However, the pilot's shirt had epalettes, plus there were probably patches/insigna (I don't recall), which would imply "uniform". I still think that if the Beast was abused by people in uniform, it would be able to make the distinction. That's just my opinion....I don't expect anyone else to buy it. You can think as you like. I'm also not certain that the Beast is a beast....perhaps it's something else we all haven't thought of yet.

WhereRwe

[Baron X]

Not to mention all the trips to get wood for the signal fire.

[killbuckner]

I think that when only 2 people survive the crash but have major injuries and then die in painful ways soon after there is a connection the producers are trying to draw. Those 2 people are fundamentally different than everyone else who was in the crash and barely got scratched (or who recovered from major injuries because of the crash). I also don't think it is a coincidence that the animals attack only when the survivors are actively looking for ways off of the island. When trying to get the transceiver they were attacked and the pilot killed. When they were trying to get to altitude to get signal they were attacked by the polar bear. When Kate was trying to put the remote antenna up high in a tree the animal was ready to attack until she dropped it. The animal then found locke but because he wasn't trying to get off the island he wasn't harmed at all.

[Dmcquickly]

I think Locke tamed 'it' by looking into 'the eyes of the island,' whatever that means, and seeing the beauty

Hmmmm...This intrigues me! Looking into the "eyes" (or heart, or soul) of whatever scares us, and seeing beauty there instead...

So Locke tells Charlie he has to give up something to get something. He gives up the dope. He looks into the eyes of the thing that scares him most--being without drugs--and sees beyond that the beauty of playing the guitar without the addiction...

We see at least three characters now who have "troubled" souls: Jin, Sawyer, and Shannon. Getting to the point where they can look into the worst of themselves and seeing some beauty there, or other people seeing that...what a potential theme of this show!

[Baron X]

if that is the theme to the show I'll stop watching.

[MonsterEatsPilot]

In last night's episode while the four were treking to the water source, there was a sound of twigs snapping and the camera focused on Locke who had a...an... expectant look on his face. He looked up to the trees and smiled to himself. And that was that...

Locke saw something in "Walkabout" and has made peace with either it, OR, himself...

-P

[Wynter Zera]

IT is actually Metal Gear Rex and Hideo Kojima’s name will start appearing in the credit role by episode 9. Oh, and we’ll get a surly secret ops guy who refuses to go by any other name than “Snake”. :lol

[Wynter Zera]

Ok, where IS our monster...it's time to step into the spotlight already.

[pirate2323]

mmm. fat pilot yumm

[Baron X]

Apparently the island is now void of all predators. Oh wait, I know what happened. You see, now that they have been there for a week (two weeks if you trust Charlie) they have spent a lot of time peeing in the woods and surrounding area. Many animals in nature use urine to mark their territory. Now that the humans have clearly made claim to the area surrounding the crash, the animals understand and respect the claim.