Locke's Lost Luggage

[sgtdraino]

Hello everyone, and welcome to the thread that's all about Locke's stuff! I enjoy looking for "found objects" in movies and TV, and Lost is a great place to do that. Have you ever wondered, "What kind of ________ is that?" Well, here is where you'll find out! I've spent about a year, with help from others on the net too, to find out as much as I can about Locke's luggage on Lost, and collecting all of the items that I can:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v450/sgtdraino/Locke%20Knives/LockesLostLuggage.jpg

My quest began in January of 2005, on two major knife forums, knifeforums.com:

http://www.knifeforums.com/forums/showtopic.php?tid/574402/

And bladeforums.com:

Behold, John Locke's Knives from Lost! - BladeForums.com

The helpful folks on these two forums were absolutely instrumental in those early days, in helping to identify many of Locke's knives. And during my journey, I even encountered the guy who sold "Lost" the knives! He has a knife shop in Hawaii, and on bladeforums.com, he goes by "imp."

imp: Sgt. Draino you are almost 100% correct on those knives used in "Lost". How do I know? I sold them those knives. If I'd have seen this thread earlier you wouldn't have had to do so much searching. With the exception of the hawkbill folder you are correct on all of them. The hawkbill folder is a cheap Jaguar brand knock off of that Fury.

For the most part except for the Bucks and Spyderco all the knives that were purchased for the show were really cheap import knives. We tried to steer them towards stuff like the CRK Green Beret Knife and other stuff in the CRK line and SOGs, Ontarios etc. Stuff a survivalist would probably actually carry. They weren't having any of it. Too expensive. So they ended up with stuff that they thought "looked cool" but didn't cost too much.

The prop master came down to the shop one afternoon and picked everything out right there. Since then they've picked up about 10-15 of those Master Bowies, guess they're breaking or something when they throw 'em. The guy did buy a Kershaw Leek for himself though.

[sgtdraino]

To take things more-or-less in chronological order, the first item up is the very first knife we see Locke use:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v450/sgtdraino/Locke%20Knives/LockesPocketKnife.jpg

This is the little pocket knife in "Tabula Rasa," that Locke uses to make a dog whistle. Of course, it's difficult to be absolutely certain what it is, but its size, shape, and color match that of Master Knives Item YD-8085W. Master Knives is a logical choice, as there are at least 4 to 5 other Master Knives in his collection as well.

For those who are interested, Master Knives (also known as Jaguar Knives) are super-cheap bulk-purchase knives of the type you might see on QVC, and odds are you get what you pay for. Locke's choice to include these knives in his collection lends credence to the theory of his character as a "wanna-be" adventurer, with little hands-on knowledge before the crash.

Alternatively, some folks wonder if Locke might sell these knives to make a little cash on the side. This would explain why he brought so many with him, including mutiples of the same knife.

[sgtdraino]

Next up, is the big metal box that Locke keeps his knives in, as well as a lot of his other survival stuff:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v450/sgtdraino/Locke%20Knives/LockesRimowaTropicana2.jpg

This case is called a Rimowa Tropicana Trolley. It is expensive, water-tight, and extremely tough, along the same lines as the Haliburton that Sawyer tried and failed to break into. It is also quite heavy, an interesting choice for a man confined to a wheelchair.

The Rimowa Tropicana Trolley is also a model that is very VERY difficult to obtain in the United States, and might even have been discontinued by Rimowa. They can be obtained from places in Europe, but it's tricky. Hope you speak German! The fact that Locke has a case like this, may be a hint that he has been overseas before.

The case is primarily designed for carrying camera equipment, and protecting it from the elements. The case has customizable partitions you put in it, to keep your equipment from shifting around. There is an insulating foam material in the lid, which Locke apparently cut sections out of to put some of his knives in. The knives are held in place by magnets attached to the underside of the lid:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v450/sgtdraino/Locke%20Knives/LockesKnifeCollection3.jpg

Here's an apparent production photo of the lid, you can see how the magnets are attached:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v450/sgtdraino/Locke%20Knives/Image145.jpg

One oddity, though: This may not be the same lid! In this lid, the Sentry (and the space cut out for the Sentry) is reversed from the way it is in "Walkabout" (see the picture above).

Here's some production photos for other stuff in Locke's case:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v450/sgtdraino/Locke%20Knives/Image144.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v450/sgtdraino/Locke%20Knives/Image141.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v450/sgtdraino/Locke%20Knives/Image140.jpg

Terry on the Case o' Knives:

sgtdraino: Do you think we'll ever see Locke's big metal Rimowa case o' knives again? Do you get to hang on to any of those props during the course of shooting? Is that metal case still even around anywhere?

oquinn: Those knives are still around somewhere.

[LostInWilderness]

I think I'm going to like this thread. This looks like great stuff Sgt Draino.

[sgtdraino]

LostInWilderness wrote:

I think I'm going to like this thread. This looks like great stuff Sgt Draino.

Thanks, LIW! Any chance of a "Sticky?"
All comments are welcome.

Next up is the knife we all probably most associate with John Locke: The one that is almost always at his side...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v450/sgtdraino/Locke%20Knives/LockesMasterBowie.jpg

Most people think this is probably some sort of fancy custom knife. In fact, it is the Master Bowie, another one of Locke's el cheapo Master Knives! Runs between $8 and $14. Used to be carried by Atlanta Cutlery, but seems to be getting harder to find. I believe you can still get them directly from Master dealers, though.

In spite of this knife sharing a place of reverence in the lid of his case, this is also the knife Locke seems to have multiples of. He still has one on his belt, when he leaves another for Boone to cut his bonds with, in "Hearts and Minds." It is also in this scene that you get a glimpse of the cheap black nylon sheath that comes with this knife. Instead, Locke carries his Master Bowie in a rather nice custom-made leather sheath:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v450/sgtdraino/Locke%20Knives/LockesMasterBowieSheath.jpg

Interesting that this sheath probably costs at least twice what the Master Bowie did!

The Master Bowie is also not really intended as a throwing knife. The wood grips would tend to get beaten up and cracked pretty fast (as you can kind of see in the above photo), the blade is too thin, and is the wrong sort of metal to stand up to repeated hits. Throw it enough, and eventually it will break. And in fact, in "Numbers," Locke uses a broken Master Bowie to build Claire a crib:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v450/sgtdraino/Locke%20Knives/LockesBrokenMasterBowie.jpg

Some folks wonder if maybe Locke uses a bunch of cheap Master Bowies on purpose, so it's no big deal if they break or not.

[sgtdraino]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v450/sgtdraino/Locke%20Knives/LockesSOGTigershark.jpg

This is a high-dollar, high-quality knife called a SOG Tigershark. It may be the most robust knife in Locke's collection, with a 1/4 inch-thick blade of AUS6 steel forged in Seki, Japan, and a super-tough kraton handle. The Tigershark is a larger version of SOG's Seal Knife 2000, the knife created for the US Navy SEALs. At this point, Locke has carried it throughout Seasons 2, 3, 4, and 5, making it the most widely recognized and most iconic knife associated with John Locke.

We first glimpse the Tigershark in "Man of Science, Man of Faith," when Locke is gathering materials to go back out to the hatch. We see him do something we've never seen before: He unsheaths his Master Bowie, puts it down, picks up the Tigershark, and holsters that instead. We see the Tigershark a lot more clearly in "Adrift," when Desmond orders Locke to disarm himself. Locke pulls out his Tigershark, and tosses it off to the side.

The appearance of the SOG Tigershark may be our first real example on Lost of product placement for knives. It also may indicate the creators are thinking a little more seriously about the sort of quality a guy like Locke would trust his life to. Terry certainly likes it!

Terry on the Tigershark:

sgtdraino: How do you like the SOG compared to the Master Bowie?

oquinn: no comparison, the SOG is much better than the previous wood-handled one.

This is the knife that Terry used to demonstrate his knife-throwing skills in "Throwing from the Handle," on the Lost Season 3 DVD set:

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And he gave an autographed one to SOG Knives, which they keep at their company headquarters:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v450/sgtdraino/Locke%20Knives/AutographedTigershark.jpg

Here is the "hero" Tigershark used on the show, complete with the custom-made leather sheath that Locked carries it in. Note that this knife still has an edge on it, and still has serrations on the blade. Also note how the top of the guard is bent back towards the handle; that is indicative that this is the knife that Terry practices his knife-throwing with. Bad hits tend to knock that top guard back, my Tigershark looks the same way:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v450/sgtdraino/Locke%20Knives/JasonTigershark1.jpg

Here is the "stunt" Tigershark used on the show, displayed here with the custom-made leather sheath that was actually made for the Master Bowie. Note that this "stunt" version has had its serrations removed, and the edge dulled down. Also note that its guard is undamaged; an indication that this knife has not been thrown very much:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v450/sgtdraino/Locke%20Knives/JasonTigershark2.jpg

Many thanks go to Jason DeBord for supplying these two detailed pictures of the props. You can find Jason at the "Original Prop Blog."

http://www.originalprop.com/blog/

Unfortunately, the original SOG Tigershark has now been discontinued. It was replaced by an updated version, the SOG Tigershark 2.0, which is a nice knife in its own right, but doesn't look quite the same as THE knife of John Locke. The original version can still be had from time-to-time on places like ebay.

[sgtdraino]

Next we'll take the rest of the knives in the lid of Locke's case, from left to right. First up, on the far left, is Locke's Kabar:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v450/sgtdraino/Locke%20Knives/LockesKa-Bar.jpg

This appears to be a full-sized Kabar USMC Fighting Knife (not a knockoff), which for some reason has had all of its black protective finish polished off! Best guess is that the prop guys figured a shiny silver knife would look better on-screen than a knife with a black blade. Not a good idea in real life, as the Kabar's blade is NOT stainless steel. If Locke doesn't keep this one oiled up good, it's going to rust.

This is the first knife in Locke's collection that is a real quality piece. The Kabar has years of history associated with it, and is even tough enough to throw at stuff. This is the knife that Locke gives to Boone to use, and he wears it at his side until his death in "Do No Harm." The Kabar hasn't been seen since.

UPDATE 10/25/2009:

I don't know why it never occured to me before, but I have finally figured out why Locke's Kabar has a silver blade--and it isn't what I previously thought. Originally, I thought that the protective black coating had been polished off the blade. However, this still mystified me; it would take a lot of polishing to get all that stuff off, and it would be tricky to do without marring the shape and finish of the blade. For instance, how would they get the black coating out of the engraved "USMC" letters, without grinding the letters right off the blade?

Well, I finally figured it out! And the answer was so simple it was staring me in the face the whole time: The black coating isn't ground off at all! They have painted the blade with silver paint! The giveaway is the silver-colored area at the very top of the handle, just under the guard. That spot isn't metal, it's leather. No amount of polishing would ever make that spot silver-colored. Only paint would.

Finally, a little more history on the Kabar from wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KA-BAR

History

The name "KA-BAR" came to be after the company received a poorly written English letter in which the author wrote how the company's knife saved his life after he was attacked by a bear and his gun failed to kill it. All that was legible was "k a bar", and the company adopted that as their trademark. [5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KA-BAR#cite_note-4) In 1942, soon after the United States (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States)' entry into World War II (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II), American troops experienced the problematic nature of the M1917/1918 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Browning_Automatic_Rifle) and Mark I trench knives (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trench_knife) that they were issued initially and, realizing the need for knives suited to trench warfare (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trench_warfare), a design was chosen from a catalog of hunting gear. The Marines (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Marine_Corps) bought many different knives and designs from a large number of suppliers during World War II, but it was the KA-BAR fighting knife that was most common and popular. It was chosen for continued purchase and issue after the war was over. The final shape was decided upon by the Marine Corps. The changes included a slightly longer blade for combat use, introduction of a small fuller (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuller_(weapon)) to make the blade lighter and stiffer, and the pinned pommel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hilt#Pommel) and stacked leather handle as standard. In addition, the blade, guard (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hilt#Guard), and pommel were all finished in a non-reflective matte black or gray phosphate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parkerizing) finish instead of the brightly polished steel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steel) of the original.
Millions were made during World War II by KA-BAR, Ontario Knife Company (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ontario_Knife_Company), Camillus Cutlery (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camillus_Cutlery), Case Knives (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W._R._Case_%26_Sons_Cutlery_Co.), and several other knife companies. The knife is inexpensive, easy to replace, and adequate for most tasks. It was also used as a diving knife in World War II (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II), though the model in use at the time disintegrated rapidly in saltwater (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seawater). The various forms of this knife are still very popular with hunters (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunter), fishermen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fisherman), hikers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiker), outdoorsmen, and the U.S. military (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_of_the_United_States).[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KA-BAR#cite_note-Walker_01-0)
Manufacturing History

The Tidioute Cutlery Company, the first company to manufacture KA-BARs, was founded in 1897. Following its financial collapse and take-over it was renamed the Union Cutlery Company. KA-BAR was initially a trademark but in 1952 the company renamed itself KA-BAR Cutlery Inc. The headquarters are currently located in Olean, New York (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olean,_New_York). The Alcas Corporation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcas_Corporation), parent company of Cutco (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cutco), acquired the company in 1996.[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KA-BAR#cite_note-5)
Service

Today, KA-BAR makes Army (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Army) and Navy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Navy) versions as well as USMC versions.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KA-BAR#cite_note-Walker_01-0) They are virtually identical to the Marine version except for different initials at the bottom of the blade and different symbols on the sheath. Marines today often give the blades, guards (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hilt#Guard) and pommels (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hilt#Pommel) of their knives a few coats of non-reflective matte (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gloss_(material_appearance)) black spray paint (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spray_paint) to reduce reflected light and give them a little more protection against saltwater corrosion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corrosion).[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KA-BAR#cite_note-Walker_01-0) Its moderate carbon and low chromium (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromium) steel mixture allows the blade to hold an edge very well. The 1095 cro-van steel used in the blades of today's KA-BARs has a hardness (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indentation_hardness) of 56–58 HRC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockwell_scale#Scales_and_values); the guard and pommel are made from sintered (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sintering) 1095 carbon steel.[7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KA-BAR#cite_note-6) In combat, the knife has been used to open cans (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tin_can), dig trenches (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trench#Military_usage), cut wood (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wood) and roots (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Root), and for hand to hand combat (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hand_to_hand_combat).[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KA-BAR#cite_note-Walker_01-0)

[sgtdraino]

Next up is Locke's Tekna Wilderness Edge:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v450/sgtdraino/Locke%20Knives/LockesTekna.jpg

This is a truly extraordinary knife, and a credit to his collection. It is one of the most expensive knives he's got. Tekna is no longer in business, but a company called Tektite still has a supply of these available. The version of the knife that Locke has, with the cutouts in the blade, was discontinued years ago and is almost impossible to find.

This knife is a survival kit all by itself! Hidden inside its handle is a powerful waterproof flashlight. Its sheath converts into a small fishing rod. A little tray attached to the sheath contains fishing line, hooks, and lures, a signal mirror, a magnesium firestarter, a sharpening rod, a compass, and a wire snare for trapping animals. The blade is not designed for throwing, but is a high quality piece all the same.

The Tekna is the standard issue knife of the Japanese Defence Forces. Another clue to Locke's past? Maybe, but probably not. :)

Unfortunately, as far as we can tell, the Tekna has not left Locke's case. You'd think one of his best knives would get some use!

The only source I've been able to find for the Tekna is:

http://www.tek-tite.com/src/product_info.php?id=2979

PS - Thanks for the "Sticky!"

[LostInWilderness]

We had the discussion on the Kabar before (because I was confused about it.) They don't all come anondized. I know you have hooked Leuthen and me. Dontkillbill loves the knives too, but I haven't seen him around in a while.

[sgtdraino]

LostInWilderness wrote:

We had the discussion on the Kabar before (because I was confused about it.) They don't all come anondized. I know you have hooked Leuthen and me. Dontkillbill loves the knives too, but I haven't seen him around in a while.

It is true that some Kabars do have stainless uncoated blades, particularly some of the newer models. But as far as the USMC Fighting Knife goes, no one on bladeforums has ever seen or heard of such a thing. If you know of one, I'd be interested. I'd probably buy it. :)

Next up, the Sentry:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v450/sgtdraino/Locke%20Knives/LockesSentry.jpg

The United Cutlery Sentry Serrated Tanto is a knife of medium quality, probably best suited as a sort of "trench-knife" for close-quarters combat. The grip is made of some sort of metal, so if nothing else, you can use it like a set of brass knuckles. The Sentry has a pretty versatile sheath; it can be worn as a shoulder holster, on your belt, or clipped inside your boot. The sheath is completely reversible for south-paws, and has a pretty handy way of holding the knife in place without any need for a retaining strap.

This is another knife which, to my knowledge, has not yet been spotted outside of Locke's case.

[sgtdraino]

Next up is Locke's Master Jaguar:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v450/sgtdraino/Locke%20Knives/LockesJaguar.jpg

As you can guess from the name, it is another knife from Master/Jaguar Knives. To their credit, it is one of their nicer knives, but it's still strickly a low-end piece.

This is the knife that Locke gives Kate to use every so often. He first gives it to her in "Walkabout." She apparently gives it back when she's done, because he gives it to her again when they set out to hunt for Ethan in "All the Best Cowboys Have Daddy Issues."

For those interested in bloopers, when Kate first gets this knife in "Walkabout," she puts it in the wrong sheath:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v450/sgtdraino/Locke%20Knives/Ka-BarSheathBlooper.jpg

She's clearly got the sheath for the USMC Kabar! Kind of an odd error, since the Jaguar is way short for the long Kabar sheath. When Locke gives Kate the Jaguar in "Cowboys," it's in its proper sheath.

The last time we saw this knife was in the Season 2 episode, "Maternity Leave," when we see that Kate still has it:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v450/sgtdraino/Lost/KatesJaguar.jpg

[sgtdraino]

Next up, Locke's Delta Defender:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v450/sgtdraino/Locke%20Knives/LockesDeltaDefender.jpg

This is a fairly high quality piece made by United Cutlery, definitely nicer than the Sentry. It's stainless steel (which tends to be more brittle than carbon steel, and thus less suitable for throwing), but the blade is thicker than most, about 3/16 of an inch. Probably tough enough to be thrown. It's got a nice set of linen micarta grips screwed to it, and micarta is very tough stuff. The only downside is, it comes with a very poorly designed sheath. The sheath incorporates a velcro retaining strap that makes it almost impossible to get this knife out in a hurry. You practically have to hold this strap out of the way with one hand, while you draw with the other. Otherwise the velcro keeps re-attaching, preventing you from pulling out the knife. Tip: buy a different sheath for it.

This is another knife we have yet to spot outside of Locke's case.

[sgtdraino]

Finally, the last of the "lid" knives:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v450/sgtdraino/Locke%20Knives/LockesBuckNighthawkMasterKnockoff2.jpg

This is another piece from Master Knives, which is actually a knockoff of a Buck Nighthawk (the two knives in the center with serrations are actual Buck Nighthawks). The Buck Nighthawk is a high-quality knife. This Master version is... less so. :) However, its blade probably is the highest quality of all the Master Knives in Locke's collection. It's got a robust 3/16 inch-thick blade of a harder steel than the other Master Knives, and a tanto point is about the strongest point you can have for penetrating power. The grip is some sort of hard plastic resin with rubber inlays, similar to the Nighthawk. Like the Kabar, this is another piece that ordinarily has a black blade, but the prop guys polished all the black coating off. On the plus side, this is a stainless steel blade, so no coating is not a big deal. They also subtly changed the shape of the blade with some additional grinding. This is actually a pretty tough knife, probably tough enough to throw. It comes with a sheath that is also a total knockoff of the Nighthawk sheath.

You can glimpse this knife being used by Sayid in the episode, "Hearts and Minds." Sayid has it in the scene where Locke sneaks up to him and gives him his "faulty" compass. The image on the far right is the knife sitting on top of Rousseu's maps, which Sayid was working on.

[sgtdraino]

Now we move on to Locke's vest:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v450/sgtdraino/Locke%20Knives/LockesCampCoVest.jpg

Locke's vest is an olive drab CampCo Safari Photo Vest, even though in his Australia flashback, you'd swear it looks khaki. As the name implies, the vest is actually intended for photographers. It has specially lined pockets for film and equipment. Coupled with his Rimowa case, this could be a hint that Locke may have once been a photographer. The vest has 21 pockets for all kinds of different stuff, and a vented back to keep you cool.

We first saw Locke wear this vest in "Walkabout." If you look in the upper right corner of the image, you can see he got the vest out of his Rimowa case. He wears it off and on after that, until episode 13, "Hearts and Minds." That is the last time we see the vest in Season 1. That's also the episode where he gives up his compass, saying "I don't need it anymore." It could be the writers are trying to convey that Locke is becoming more and more in tune with his surroundings. It is said that the better a survivalist you are, the less you find you actually need to carry around with you.

On the other hand, it looks like Terry just got tired of wearing it. The vest is fairly long, hanging down below your waist. This can make it difficult to draw or holster your knife in a speedy fashion.

Terry on the vest:

sgtdraino: We rarely see Locke wear the Campco vest anymore, which he wore quite a bit for Season 1. Was this your choice, because wearing it was kind of a hassle? Or one made by the makers?

oquinn: Yeah, kind of a hassle.

We eventually do see the vest make another appearance in the Season 2 episode, "The 23rd Psalm," when Locke wears it while he is teaching Michael how to shoot. This time there doesn't seem to be any stuff attached to it, and that is the last time we ever see Locke wear it. We do see and identical vest one last time, this time worn in a flashback by Kelvin Inman in the Season 2 episode, "One of Them."

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v450/sgtdraino/Lost/VestComparison.jpg

This vest is still made today, still marketed by CampCo, but is now called the Humvee Vest. It is available from a variety of sources. Here is the link to the vest on CampCo's website:

http://www.campco-support.com/web/product_detail.asp?clid=HMC&classes_inventoryPage=2&pid=621

One thing I would suggest, is to order at least one size smaller than you normally wear. I normally wear a size Medium, but the CampCo vest that actually fits me, is size Extra Small (XS), the smallest size they have.

[LostInWilderness]

Nice stuff Sgt Draino. No section on the Spiderco though? ;)

[sgtdraino]

Oh YEAH??? :)

Next we'll cover the stuff Locke has attached to his vest. First up, his Spyderco Harpy:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v450/sgtdraino/Locke%20Knives/LockesSpydercoHarpy.jpg

This is an expensive little folder made by Spyderco. This particular item was designed for use by sailors. From Spyderco's website:


Like the claw of the Harpy eagle the C08 is shaped for controlled pulling cuts. The hawkbill blade shape originated in the marine/fishing industry where severing rope, line, webbing and netting is done at arm's length quickly and efficiently. The curving arc holds what you're cutting against the sharpened edge keeping it from slipping off the tip. Custom knifemaker David Boye developed the dent in the locking lever, which insures the blade remains securely locked open when gripping the handle with force. Cut out of the handle is a drying vent allowing air to circulate around the blade when closed wet. Metal clip is positioned for tip down carry.


We first saw the Harpy attached to Locke's vest in "Walkabout." The last time we see it, is when he's wearing his vest in "House of the Rising Sun." The next time he puts on his vest, when they hunt for Ethan in "All the Best Cowboys Have Daddy Issues," the Harpy has been replaced by a different knife. Some speculate that the Harpy was such a nice piece, somebody might have stolen it from the prop department!

NEW INFORMATION: This little folder is also famous for being the weapon of choice for Dr. Hannibal Lecter, in both the book and the movie version of "Hannibal!" Lecter's version appears to be unserrated, though.

The Spyderco Harpy is still made, and available from a wide variety of sources. Here is the knife on Spyderco's website:

http://www.spyderco.com/catalog/details.php?product=3

[sgtdraino]

Next up, the knife that replaced the Harpy:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v450/sgtdraino/Locke%20Knives/LockesMasterSpydercoKnockoff.jpg

This is another item from Master Knives, which is basically a Spyderco-style knife with a thumb stud instead of a hole. When Locke puts his vest on in episode 11, "All the Best Cowboys Have Daddy Issues," we see this knife clipped on where the Spyderco Harpy used to be. However, the FIRST time we see this knife is actually in episode 6, when we see Locke using it to shave himself. He also continues to use this knife way after he stops wearing his vest. I believe the last time we've seen it is in episode 17, "...In Translation," where he is using it to gut a rat he caught, when Shannon gets some advice from him about Sayid.

[sgtdraino]

To round out the vest items, we have Locke's compass:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v450/sgtdraino/Locke%20Knives/LockesZincCompass.jpg

This is a military lensatic compass. It looks to me to be the lighter-weight zinc model, versus actual brass. I originally thought this was a Brunton Lensatic Compass, but the Brunton has a different-shaped viewing slot. Locke's compass seems closest to an Edge Mark brand (which doesn't seem available anymore). We first see the compass when Locke dons his vest in "Walkabout," although in early episodes it almost looks like it has more of a silver-tone than a gold-tone.

In episode 13, "Hearts and Minds," when Locke sees Sayid attempting to make a compass, Locke gives him his lensatic compass, claiming "I don't need it anymore." Sayid later claims the compass is faulty, saying it doesn't point north. It now seems this may be due to the unusual magnetic field eminating from Station 3 (The Hatch), although one would think Sayid would have compared the readings from Locke's compass to his homemade one, and that they would be equally "faulty."

An interesting side note: In episode 19, "Deus Ex Machina," we see that Locke still has a compass! As he and Boone are searching for the plane, he pulls it out of his pocket and takes a reading. The compass looks identical to the one he gave Sayid, it is unknown whether it's a separate compass, or whether Sayid gave Locke's compass back to him.

The closest compass I've seen available lately, has been from "The Antique Sextant," a site that sells all manner of compasses:

http://www.antiquesextant.com/lensaticzinc.htm

More items to come!

[LostInWilderness]

The rumor is there was a deleted scene in which Locke took the compass back from sleeping Sayid. This is evidence the island was taking Locke's Spirit Guide powers as well as his ability to walk, imo.

[Brian]

Sgt. Draino,

Oh my! Wow! Yeah, I'm hooked as LIW mentioned earlier. This could become my new favorite Locke thread! :)

Man, I'm going to need to spend more time with this thread later tonight! I'll second that thanks for a sticky, LIW! Now I can find this thread easily!

Mmmmmm, I never thought I'd find a discussion on Lockes luggage so......interesting and fun!

Thanks again Sgt. Draino and I'll definitely be looking forward to more!

[sgtdraino]

Interesting, LIW. And another deleted scene completely absent from the dvd set, eh?

I appreciate the sentiments, Leuthen. It's definitely a labor of love.

Next up, Locke's shoes:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v450/sgtdraino/Locke%20Knives/LockesHi-TecAlgomaShoes.jpg

These are Algoma light hiking shoes, by Hi-Tec, model 7135. It's a model that was discontinued several years ago, and replaced by the Nova Lite and Nova Lite II models. There are still a few places you can find Algomas, but size options are extremely limited; 7.5 or 14, unless you're really lucky. I wonder if that means Terry's got a couple of 14s holding him up?

We first see these shoes in "Walkabout." Prior to this episode, Locke always wore a pair of black loafers. We never actually see Locke change shoes, so we don't know whether he packed the Algomas, or got them off a dead body.

I think the last time we saw these shoes, was in the Season 2 episode "Adrift," when Locke goes down into the Hatch to rescue Kate. When he reaches the bottom, he lands in a water puddle. When he realizes his wet shoes are noisy, he takes them off to go sneaking around in his socks.

[sgtdraino]

Next up is Locke's backpack:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v450/sgtdraino/Locke%20Knives/LockesModifiedF1Pack.jpg

This is a modified French Army-issue F1 Rucksack, made of olive drab canvas, with a rubberized nylon bottom to keep dampness out when you set it down on wet ground. The waterproof top flap is removeable, and stows in a pocket inside the pack; Locke never seems to use his. The top of the pack expands to almost twice its size, to make a large duffle bag. So far Locke has kept his in its smaller mode. Locke's F1 has been modified with leather patches reinforcing the sides and carry handles. He's also added some eyelets to the rear pocket, through which he's threaded and tied a small length of cord. Its purpose is unknown. The French F1 Rucksack is easy to find at many army surplus dealers, and very inexpensive to buy. It's very sturdy, and its padded internal frame is surprisingly effective.

[sgtdraino]

This is a bit out-of order, but I figured it would be fitting to put Locke's two backpacks together.

First, kudos to Cypher838 for being the first to make the correct call. Locke's new pack is indeed a US military-issue medium LC-1 ALICE pack:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v450/sgtdraino/Locke%20Knives/LockesMediumLC-1ALICEPack.jpg

This type of pack started being issued as early as 1975, so it's possible it could be found in the hatch. Although, as has been mentioned previously, equipment in the hatch generally does not seem to be US-issue. It's more likely that Locke either had this pack, or found it in the plane wreckage.

ALICE stands for All-purpose Lightweight Individual Carrying Equipment. The medium LC-1 ALICE pack has a modular design. Additional gear and pockets can be attached around the outside, the straps are removable, and an aluminum frame for the pack is optional. Locke appears to not be using a frame. Learn more about the ALICE system:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-purpose_Lightweight_Individual_Carrying_Equipment

Re-watching the season 2 finale, it is now clear that the new pack is NOT a prop error. The F1 was indeed inside the hatch when it imploded. Locke had it slung on his back when he initially confronted Eko in the hatch, about not pushing the button. In the process of Eko throwing Locke out, the pack slipped off his shoulder and was left behind. When Locke returned, it was when he and Desmond snuck in and activated the lockdown. It is unlikely Locke would have removed the pack from the hatch before they did this, and so it most likely remained there.

Too bad! The F1 was a nice, simple pack. Ah well, long live the LC-1! :)

Terry on the backpacks:

sgtdraino: How do you like the current ALICE pack of Season 3 Locke, compared to the old French F1 pack of Season 1 and 2 Locke? Personally, I found the F1 to be far more comfortable and simple to use, than the ALICE pack. You?

oquinn: I like the Season 1 pack better.

[sgtdraino]

Next we move on to more of Locke's knives. First up:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v450/sgtdraino/Locke%20Knives/LockesFury2.jpg

This is a knife made by the low-end brand Fury Knives, specifically model 17050. Master Knives makes a knockoff of this particular knife called the "Sky Hawk" (pictured at the top), but the length of the serrations on the knife Locke is holding pegs it as a genuine Fury.

We see this knife in episode 7, "The Moth," where Locke is using it to gut a boar he killed. He then uses the knife to point to a moth cocoon, as he gives Charlie his speech about struggle being necessary to survival.

[sgtdraino]

And next:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v450/sgtdraino/Locke%20Knives/LockesBuckSpecial.jpg

This is a high-quality knife, a Buck Special, item 119BR. Locke opted for the fancier version with the cocabola handle, versus the cheaper black-handled version. Nice knife.

This knife gets to star in episode 8, "Confidence Man." Locke gives it to Sayid to protect himself, after Sayid tells him about getting attacked and knocked out by some person who is obviously sneakier than they give themselves credit for. Somehow the Buck ends up being plunged deep into Sawyer's arm! I'm guessing Sayid didn't want this knife after the torture incident, since by the time episode 13, "Hearts and Minds," rolls around, he's using the Master knockoff of the Buck Nighthawk instead.

PS - Why does Sayid have such freaky-long fingernails?

[sgtdraino]

I can't believe I didn't think to post this earlier, But here is a new (old) item of Locke's Lost Luggage to present!

Locke's Backgammon Game:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v450/sgtdraino/Locke%20Knives/LockesBackgammonGame.jpg

This is a small travel-size backgammon game made by Wood Expressions, Inc. It can be purchased here:

http://woodexpressions.com/cat04/items/203109.htm

This game was, of course, first seen in the Pilot, during Locke's speech to Walt about light and dark. It has showed up many times since, I am not certain when its last appearance was, or how many times total. Anybody?

Interesting to note that, in this screen cap, three of the numbers can be spotted on the dice. Two of the dice show "4," the same two dice add up to "8," and the doubling cube shows "16" on top. Oddly enough, all of the standard dice showing add up to 16, the same number showing on the doubling cube.

And, coincidentally, the three white dice in the screencap are showing the same three numbers as the white dice in the commercial picture off the Wood Expressions site.

[sgtdraino]

And now, the next item I have:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v450/sgtdraino/Locke%20Knives/LockesSmithWessonSWATKnife.jpg

This is a Smith & Wesson S.W.A.T. knife. The knive comes in several different sizes, this looks like the largest. It also looks like the one on the show has a plain edge (no serrations). A pretty nice folder. So far we've seen this knife in "Adrift." Locke keeps it hidden, clipped to the inside of his pants. This is the knife he secretly slips to Kate, that enables her to escape her bonds.

Once again, we seem to be trending away from no-name brands like Master, towards more "real" brands like SOG and S&W. More product placement?

Well gang, that's all I've got for now! Maybe we'll see some more stuff tonight, eh?

Of course, there's still stuff of Locke's I haven't been able to identify. He's had at least a couple different pairs of khaki cargo pants, and I haven't been able to pin down any of them. Don't know what kind of loafers he had. I'd like to know who makes that blue-and-white plaid shirt he's wearing on the plane, too. No telling what brand of t-shirts he favors, but really, who cares? He's obviously got a pair of black gold toe socks, but do they really deserve their own post? Dunno what kind of watch he has, or what kind of belt he has. Incidently, have you guys noticed he wears his belt BACKWARDS? For some reason he wears his belt with the buckle on the right, rather than the left. This would also make it more difficult for him to take his knife on and off. I think this would have to be an actor preference. I wonder why Terry would like it this way?

We've also seen Locke and others use a machete of sorts to chop stuff up. Upon closer examination, it looks like these are not true machetes, but something the survivors fabricated. I think they may be blades out of the jet turbines, with makeshift handles wrapped around the narrow ends.

Well, that's it for now! Comments are welcome. And if anybody thinks they can spot or identify something that hasn't been posted yet, by all means chip in! Until next time...

[sgtdraino]

Been holding off on this one for awhile, hoping to locate a copy of the actual edition used on the show. But I'm tired of waiting! Check it out:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v450/sgtdraino/Locke%20Knives/LockesOutdoorSurvivalGuide.jpg

The black-and-white image is off the Oceanic Airlines site, one of a number of images showing us glimpses of some of the stuff in Locke's big metal case. This image shows he has a copy of "Outdoor Survival Guide," by SSG Don Paul, U.S. Army Special Forces, retired. The book is an earlier edition of what is now called "Everybody's Outdoor Survival Guide," which can be purchased directly from Don Paul (along with several other excellent books he has written) via his website:

http://www.survival-books.com/SurvivalGuide.htm

It's a good book, I'm reading it now. One of the ironic things about this choice, is that Don Paul is rather strongly against the idea of throwing knives! Also of interest, Don Paul lives in Hawaii, but is not involved in the show.

[sgtdraino]

Here's a closer look at Locke's shoes from Lockdown.

BANG! Thanks TPTP for motivating me to give this another try, and thank you lost-media for screencaps that finally cracked this case!

I remembered getting another decent look at the shoes last week in "3 Minutes," and lost-media got a cap that finally identified what they are:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v450/sgtdraino/Locke%20Knives/LockesNevadosGreylockIIShoes.jpg

These are Nevados Greylock II hiking shoes, a model which (like the Hi-Tec Algomas) appears to have been discontinued some time ago. You can check out an owner review of these shoes at:

http://www.backpackgeartest.org/reviews/Footwear/Boots/Avia%20Nevados%20Greylock%20Light%20Hiker/Owner%20Review%20by%20Anthony%20Smith/

Looks like a good shoe!

[sgtdraino]

At some point during Season 3, Locke changes shoes again, this time to these:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v450/sgtdraino/Lost/Boots.jpg

When I asked him about new boots, Terry said:

oquinn: The first shoes hurt my feet. As far as I can tell most of our shoes are designed for four toes instead of five...........coincidence? Anyway, the wardrobe department got me some ......redwings?............or something; (not the ones you mentioned 'cause these new ones are still availabe and don't have hooks.) I just don't tie 'em up all the way 'cause, you know, they get very funky on the island and I like to stay away from 'em. The problem is, as you know, "absence makes the part grow fungus,", or somethin'. Guess I'll have to swim a little more.......................kiddin'.........I think.................pretty sure.

Terry was close, his new boots aren't Redwings, they are Wolverines:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v450/sgtdraino/Locke%20Knives/LockesWolverineBoots3.jpg

These are 6" Wolverine Compressor work boots. Very sturdy, and mostly distinctive for the unusual lip that runs around the top edge of the sole, to which the sole is stitched. This lip enables the sole to be replaced with a new sole after the old one gets worn out. A high quality boot, but quite stiff until you break 'em in good. After that, they are very comfortable. My pair appears to be a slightly updated model, with two small vents installed on the inner side of the boot to help the foot breath. Locke's boots do not appear to have these vents.

[sgtdraino]

And now for the revolver that Locke acquired from a dead body in the Dharma death pit:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v450/sgtdraino/Locke%20Knives/LockesMP2.jpg

Based on the shape of the grip, frame, hammer, front sight, and ejector rod assembly, the gun Locke found in the pit appears to be a Smith & Wesson Model 1905 M&P (for Military & Police) chambered in .38 Special. First developed in 1899, manufactured in large numbers during WWII as the "Victory Model," eventually redesignated as the S&W Model 10, with a few changes.

This is a very durable, very reliable, very accurate revolver. If memory serves, I think that this is the only firearm that Locke ever actually fired while he was on the island.

Learn more about the S&W M&P:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%26W_Model_10

[sgtdraino]

Took me a while to get to this one, but here it is!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v450/sgtdraino/Locke%20Knives/LockesGrenade.jpg

This is a Mk 2 fragmentation grenade, commonly called a "pineapple" grenade. It is of U.S. design, introduced during World War II, and continued to be used through the Vietnam conflict, but is now considered obsolete. Unlike some of the other early hand grenade designs, the Mk 2 has a relatively small casualty radius of only 10 meters. Locke probably obtained his from the armory in The Swan at some point, which was observed to have several crates that appeared to be the type that grenades are kept in. Mikhail Bakunin also used a Mk 2 grenade to blow open a portal on The Looking Glass and kill Charlie Pace.

Learn more about hand grenades:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mk_2_grenade

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hand_grenade

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_hand_grenades

http://www.inetres.com/gp/military/infantry/grenade/hand.html

[sgtdraino]

THIS SPACE RESERVED for Locke's Jacob-stabbin' knife!

Hey guys, we finally have something new to add to the Luggage! And I can really use some help, because I have not been able to identify it yet!

The object in question is the knife that Locke gave Ben to stab Jacob with. I had originally believed that this was the SOG Tigershark, but I was wrong. High-rez images from lost-media have finally given us a better look at this knife:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v450/sgtdraino/Locke%20Knives/BenKnife.jpg

The knife appears to have a wooden handle held on with a series of pins or rivets, and a flat oval-shaped brass guard. Also take note of the rounded depression on the back of the blade just forward of the guard, that looks like it's designed for you to rest your thumb on it.

As a little incentive, I have decided to have a... (duh-duh-DUUUUH!) CONTEST! Yes, that's right, a contest! The first person to identify the make and model of the knife Ben used to stab Jacob, will win this Jaguar knife:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v450/sgtdraino/Locke%20Knives/Jaguar.jpg

A knife that is very similar to the knife we saw Locke use in "The Moth," when talking to Charlie about the moth in the cocoon, and how struggle was necessary for survival:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v450/sgtdraino/Locke%20Knives/LockesFury2.jpg

This contest is open to anyone 18 years of age or older. Due to the unpredictability of international law, I can only ship the knife within the United States.

Good luck, and thanks in advance for your efforts!

[Celtic Ceilidh]

Very interesting information, Sgt Draino. You've really done your homework.

ETA: I have a questions for you knife affecianos. Is Lockes' collection of cheap and expensive knives pretty common or do most knife collectors tend to have one price range they go for?

[DohBoy]

I love this thread. Something tells me Locke didn't just buy one of those humongous sets off of those knife guys on QVC. I mean, I don't see a "Lord of the Rings Elven Dagger" replica or a special edition Katana with an in-handle dagger as part of his set.

[Brian]

Celtic,

I can't speak for the other collecters here, but I personally go by the look or style of the knife. I have several styles of both fixed blade and folding knives, butterfly knives, katanas, the list goes on. That said, I don't really go much by price range. Granted, it would have to be one hell of a knife for me to approah spending anywhere near $1000 or more on a knife.

As an example, my most recent purchase is a Van Hoy Snap Lock (http://www.crkt.com/snaplock.html) made by Columbia River Knife & Tool (CRKT). I also have a couple of Spydercos (http://spyderco.com/) that I use almost daily.

I don't know if this answers your question but I guess like aficianados of anything else, it depends on each person tastes!

[LostInWilderness]

I think sgt draino is onto something with the product placement. Locke is appearing with new knives. I guess we can assume he has more than we saw in the case, but that's pretty unsatisfying. I think we'll continue to see new knives appear, product placement, but I wonder if that's also a clue.

[Brian]

LIW asked,
I think we'll continue to see new knives appear, product placement, but I wonder if that's also a clue.
My first response would be yes. However, considering TPTB know how much we take this show apart frame-by-frame, wouldn't they be doing themselves a disservice by adding new stuff to Lockes inventory all the time? I mean, how much are we supposed to believe in what he brought with him versus how much of it he was able to find versus well, complete BS really? To be quite honest, I never paid that much attention to Lockes stuff before this thread. I mean, I did, but it wasn't that high on the radar if you know what I mean. Basically, I allowed creative license on the part of TPTB. Given the info that Sgt Draino has so wonderfully supplied us with, can TPTB really continue to ignore their prop dept.? Maybe ignore isn't the right term. I guess I'm just thinking that TPTB are going to have to reign in these things before they make a mistake. If Locke is shown with a knife, or gear, that can be proven to exist only after the plane crash, they're in for a problem. Unless you subscribe to that whole "2000 versus 2009" theory, which I don't BTW. If some of y'all don't know what I mean by that, you can do a search for it and you'll find it in the GDA or T&S forums I believe.

[LostInWilderness]

I think every mysterious thing TPTB add is a plus for them. There's no way they intend to explain every odd thing that happens in the show. I think they sprinkle the number liberally with no intention of explaining them - like the girl's soccer team. I think adding to Locke's knives will be a similar.

[Brian]

LIW said,
There's no way they intend to explain every odd thing that happens in the show.
Oh, I absolutely agree with that. No way they could, in all honesty. I look forward to seeing what they present us with next. I'm along for the ride regardless! :)

Also, I agree that everything they add is a plus for TPTB. However, don't you think this could possibly be overdone if gone unchecked? Just a thought.

[LostInWilderness]

They run the risk of becoming repetitive in dropping easter eggs with no explanation. I don't think they're anywhere near the line, but they don't want to cross it.

I buy knives that are high quality and for specific purposes, regarless of price (with a ceiling.) Then again, a Kabar will do just about anything you can do with a knife, so I guess it's all about the inclination of the buyer.

[Clementine Kruczynski]

Wow I can't believe I just barely found this thread!!! First kudos to the SGT. Second off with the changing knife issues maybe it is to show that Locke is in touch with someone on the island. Maybe there is another bunker somewhere that has the knifes and that is where he is getting them. That might explain the upgrade in quality.

[Chronic]

Kick ass thread Sgt. Draino! I don't know how to do the whole screencap thing but do you feel that it was a 110 that Anna-Lucia took off of that other in the last ep? If it was, it sure looked good for 20 odd years:rolleyes:

I noticed some more gear tidbits but don't think they tie in directly to Locke but I could be wrong. When they first entered the hatch, correct me if I'm mistaken but weren't they (Jack, Kate) using SureFire's? I though I spotted a 6p in their.

Thanks for your heads up on his knives. That one survival knife that was issued to Japanese defence forces was something new for me.

[Don'tkillbill]

I want a tiger shark like Locke's!

Next thing you know he'll pull out a tracker!

I've been away and now I'm back. Thank for proving to me I wasn't insane I thought the knife he gave Sayid was a buck, good enough for Charlie Manson it should be good enough for Locke I say!

You know your stuff!

[LostInWilderness]

I want Sgt. Draino to join.

I just sent him an email. Hopefully all he wanted was a personal invitation. ;)

[Don'tkillbill]

What's your favourite piece of Locke kit?

Me I'm not sure if its the Tigershark or the sniper rifle he was checking out!

The bunker is a drag in several ways, there is all sorts of hardware and all of a sudden you have electrical power, a washer and drier etc.

They are still roughing it though they have a pre-windows computer or is it an old apple. I was thinking it was an old 8088 pre 286....Atleast you can play harpoon on a 286!

[admwrlk]

And now, to date, the last item I have:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v450/sgtdraino/Locke%20Knives/LockesSmithWessonSWATKnife.jpg

This is a Smith & Wesson S.W.A.T. knife. The knive comes in several different sizes, this looks like the largest. It also looks like the one on the show has a plain edge (no serrations). A pretty nice folder. So far we've seen this knife in "Adrift." Locke keeps it hidden, clipped to the inside of his pants. This is the knife he secretly slips to Kate, that enables her to escape her bonds.

Once again, we seem to be trending away from no-name brands like Master, towards more "real" brands like SOG and S&W. More product placement?

Well gang, that's all I've got for now! Maybe we'll see some more stuff tonight, eh?

Of course, there's still stuff of Locke's I haven't been able to identify. He's had at least a couple different pairs of khaki cargo pants, and I haven't been able to pin down any of them. Don't know what kind of loafers he had. I'd like to know who makes that blue-and-white plaid shirt he's wearing on the plane, too. No telling what brand of t-shirts he favors, but really, who cares? He's obviously got a pair of black gold toe socks, but do they really deserve their own post? Dunno what kind of watch he has, or what kind of belt he has. Incidently, have you guys noticed he wears his belt BACKWARDS? For some reason he wears his belt with the buckle on the right, rather than the left. This would also make it more difficult for him to take his knife on and off. I think this would have to be an actor preference. I wonder why Terry would like it this way?

We've also seen Locke and others use a machete of sorts to chop stuff up. Upon closer examination, it looks like these are not true machetes, but something the survivors fabricated. I think they may be blades out of the jet turbines, with makeshift handles wrapped around the narrow ends.

Well, that's it for now! Comments are welcome. And if anybody thinks they can spot or identify something that hasn't been posted yet, by all means chip in! Until next time...
Left handers frequently use a belt in this way. I haven't noted Locke to be left handed, but perhaps he's ambidextrious.

[betts4]

Mucho applause for this thread!

I am a knife geek and carry a Spyderco Delica, a Benchmade and a Random Leek. I love the fact that so much work and effort has been put into identifying all of Lockes knives and equipment. Thank you!!! I was impressed when I saw the Spyderco hanging from his vest and that endeared Locke to me right away.

[wolfman456]

All of the original 9mms where black and of the same brand. I cross checked the one that AL used to shoot Shannon and as long as they never flip-flopped the guns then we are looking at the Beretta 92f 9mm.


http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/5497/untitled9uk.png

Doesn't seem like the pic is working so here's the Link

http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/5497/untitled9uk.png

[LostInWilderness]

The pic works for me. Thanks wolfman.

[sgtdraino]

I want Sgt. Draino to join.

I just sent him an email. Hopefully all he wanted was a personal invitation. ;)

I'm baa-aaaack!

Dunno how, but I never got your email. Must have gotten filtered out or something. I see the forum has moved, and I had to register again (???).

But here I yam!

Kick ass thread Sgt. Draino! I don't know how to do the whole screencap thing but do you feel that it was a 110 that Anna-Lucia took off of that other in the last ep? If it was, it sure looked good for 20 odd years.

I guess I shouldn't really put a picture of it on this thread, since it's not Locke's luggage, but you are RIGHT, the knife the Tailies found on the body of one of the Others is indeed a Buck 110 folder with "U.S. Army" engraved on it.

You can see a picture here:

http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15731&highlight=Other+Gear

I did some checking into this knife, and found out a few interesting things: (1) It is one of the very first models Buck created commercially, (2) as best I can tell, it was NEVER an Army-issue knife. The engraving was something the knife's owner must have added. (3) Buck did not start commerically producing knives until after WWII, so the knife dates newer than WWII.

So, Lost is back on! Yay! And for the first time in a LONG time, Locke had his vest on again this week! This time around there were no knives or compasses attached to it.

It also looks like Locke is still hauling the Tigershark as his primary carry. I'm guessing those gray cargo pants he's been wearing lately were obtained from inside the Hatch.

[LostInWilderness]

Good to see you draino. I associated your old posts. It's up to Leuthen and Hodge to bring the girls over. ;)

[Brian]

Good to see you draino. I associated your old posts. It's up to Leuthen and Hodge to bring the girls over. ;)
We're working on it! :) Welcome back SgtDraino! Good to see that you're back with us.

[Hodgepodge]

Good to see you draino. I associated your old posts. It's up to Leuthen and Hodge to bring the girls over. ;)I have no idea what this means. I'm cleaning up my act. :pray:

[TheBigFan]

Great pictures guyz.Thank you..;p

[Silver54321]

In season one, I heard Charlie say, a couple times, that Locke has "400 knives" I seem to recall someone else saying the same thing. Were they being literal or facetious? I assume it's the latter, however, it seems like all the castaways now have their own knife. There weren't enough knives in the small case Locke showed on the beach for everyone to have one of their own. Maybe Locke had more in the cargo hold that we never saw on screen?.

[Magical Trevor]

I think he only had 399 knives.

[redsoxgalbeme]

Plus there were probably some they found in the hatch too. I would love for them to do an inventory of all arms they know about on the island. Seems to me the only way you can start an army is to take stock of what you've already got.

[athywithak]

Silver,

With all those posts you think you'd know by now we have a thread for everything! This one catalogs all Locke's possessions, and answers not only how many knives, but WHICH, complete with screen caps:

http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5512

[mjgill85]

Great thread, long may it continue :D

[sgtdraino]

In season one, I heard Charlie say, a couple times, that Locke has "400 knives" I seem to recall someone else saying the same thing. Were they being literal or facetious? I assume it's the latter, however, it seems like all the castaways now have their own knife. There weren't enough knives in the small case Locke showed on the beach for everyone to have one of their own. Maybe Locke had more in the cargo hold that we never saw on screen?.

I am quite sure that Charlie was being facetious. :)

As of now, we know that Locke has at least 16 knives that he brought with him. Post-hatch, it's gonna be tough to determine the source of any new ones we spot.

Have you seen castaways with other knives not listed? Please give specifics if you can, I'd like to check it out. The only instance I can think of off-hand, is a scene (forget the episode) where Hurley and someone else (forget who) pass a knife back-and-forth, using it to cut up some fruit to eat. I just couldn't get a clear enough shot of it to see what it was.

FYI, though, there really IS enough room in that metal case to fit enough knives to equip every single castaway. I have the case, I have the knives, and there is PLENTY of room left over after you pile them all inside. Not 400, mind you! But enough to equip everybody. I doubt Locke would have packed many more knives than what we've already seen, though.

Your signature, "Questions are a burden to others; Answers are a prison for oneself," is a Prisoner reference. Cool. I sometimes entertain the notion that the island in Lost could be a run-down overgrown version of the Village from the Prisoner. The Monster is Rover! :)

[Hodgepodge]

...Have you seen castaways with other knives not listed? Please give specifics if you can, I'd like to check it out. The only instance I can think of off-hand, is a scene (forget the episode) where Hurley and someone else (forget who) pass a knife back-and-forth, using it to cut up some fruit to eat. I just couldn't get a clear enough shot of it to see what it was...SgtDraino, are you speaking of The Other 48 Days episode? Ana-Lucia and Goodwin are using an army knife to cut some fruit. The knife was found with the other belongings in the other hatch.

[sgtdraino]

Nah, that's the Buck 110 folder. This was definitely a short scene with Hurley and someone else. Might have even been back in season 1, when I was first trying to compile a list of all the knives.

[Hodgepodge]

Nah, that's the Buck 110 folder. This was definitely a short scene with Hurley and someone else. Might have even been back in season 1, when I was first trying to compile a list of all the knives.I'm stumped to think of another knife scene. But that's not saying a lot. I get stumped easily! :ImLost:

[Brian]

I'm stumped to think of another knife scene.
Me too and I just started re-watching (for the umpteenth time) S1 last night but didn't get past Pilot. If I see something, I'll mention it.

Oh, and Hodge, you stumped? I find that rather hard to believe but it happens to all of us from time to time. :)

[sgtdraino]

Well, I was GONNA check on lost-media to see if I could get a good shot of the knife Sayid used in "One of Them," and try to identify it.

BUT as most of you already know, lost-media got hacked. So much for that! I hope the site gets back on its feet again soon.

[Hodgepodge]

...BUT as most of you already know, lost-media got hacked. So much for that! I hope the site gets back on its feet again soon.And the bad part about that SgtDraino. The Webmaster/Admin is on vacation until sometime in March. So, there's a good chance, she doesn't know.

[Brian]

Well, I was GONNA check on lost-media to see if I could get a good shot of the knife Sayid used in "One of Them," and try to identify it.

BUT as most of you already know, lost-media got hacked. So much for that! I hope the site gets back on its feet again soon.
sgtdraino - like most things in life, there's a way around hacks. Here's a link (http://lost-media.com/modules/coppermine/albums/ep-caps/season2/2x14-oneofthem/) directly to the One Of Them screen caps at Lost-Media. I hope you find what you're looking for. Good luck.

[sgtdraino]

sgtdraino - like most things in life, there's a way around hacks. Here's a link (http://lost-media.com/modules/coppermine/albums/ep-caps/season2/2x14-oneofthem/) directly to the One Of Them screen caps at Lost-Media. I hope you find what you're looking for. Good luck.

Wow, nice! Thanks!

Although, if I'm understanding this page right, it looks like only caps for the promo are up right now. Looks like caps of the actual episode aren't available yet.

Anybody know if the process is automated, or if the caps won't go up until the lady gets back in March?

[Brian]

I came here to update my earlier post....

It appears that Lost-Media (http://www.lost-media.com/) is back up and running, thankfully. Hopefully now you can find what you were looking for earlier sgtdraino. :)

[sgtdraino]

Well, unfortunately (and after all that mess) lost-media did not have a good capture of Sayid's knife.

However (and I can't believe I didn't think to post this earlier), I do have a new (old) item of Locke's Lost Luggage to present!

Locke's Backgammon Game:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v450/sgtdraino/Locke%20Knives/LockesBackgammonGame.jpg

This is a small travel-size backgammon game made by Wood Expressions, Inc. It can be purchased here:

http://woodexpressions.com/cat04/items/203109.htm

This game was, of course, first seen in the Pilot, during Locke's speech to Walt about light and dark. It has showed up many times since, I am not certain when its last appearance was, or how many times total. Anybody?

Interesting to note that, in this screen cap, three of the numbers can be spotted on the dice. Two of the dice show "4," the same two dice add up to "8," and the doubling cube shows "16" on top. Oddly enough, all of the standard dice showing add up to 16, the same number showing on the doubling cube.

And, coincidentally, the three white dice in the screencap are showing the same three numbers as the white dice in the commercial picture off the Wood Expressions site.

[sgtdraino]

Okay, at this point I am NEARLY certain that we are seeing the SOG Tigershark way more than we should be. See if you agree:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v450/sgtdraino/Lost/SOGTigersharks.jpg

Like I said earlier, it's hard to be certain with the available images of the knife Sayid used in "One of them." I'm somewhat more certain regarding the knife Eko uses to cut off his little beard bits in "Maternity Leave."

I can't be sure, but I have strong suspicions that these are all SOG Tigersharks, the same knife that Locke now carries regularly. Check out the shape of the blade, especially near the base. Pretty distinctive.

So, fanwank-wise, I guess we must assume that Locke packed multiple SOG Tigersharks in his collection, and that he's lent one to both Sayid and Eko... even though we haven't really seen much interaction yet between Eko and Locke.

Of course, my head tells me that this is really another example of seeing the man behind the curtain. This is probably just simple (and lazy) product placement, and they just decided to use the same knife repeatedly with different characters, because it's a cool looking knife.

On the plus side, I did notice that Kate is STILL carrying the Master Jaguar she got from Locke, all the way back in "Walkabout." Easy to spot it on her belt, this week in "Maternity Leave:"

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v450/sgtdraino/Lost/KatesJaguar.jpg

And, just for a little something extra, here's a pic of Locke's vest from season 1, compared to his vest in "23rd Psalm," and the vest that Joe Inman wears in "One of Them:"

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v450/sgtdraino/Lost/VestComparison.jpg

[LostInWilderness]

I'm sure the clothes will change slighty over time. Costume designers have to get paid too! I agree about the tigershark, but I have no problem believing Locke brought several of those instead of only one of each kind of knife.

All Locke's knives are unbelievable (and I still think that's a huge clue.)

[Cypher838]

I don't think that Sayid has a Tigershark. It looks to me like here inherited the Ka-bar after Boone died or another Ka-bar of some kind.

[Son of Locke]

SgtDraino,
I can't believe I just found this thread, but it was a great read. I hope you'll have the opp to ID more gear as we go. It'd be a shame for your skills to go to waste just because Locke's gone all the way to the bottom of his case...

[sgtdraino]

SgtDraino,
I can't believe I just found this thread, but it was a great read. I hope you'll have the opp to ID more gear as we go. It'd be a shame for your skills to go to waste just because Locke's gone all the way to the bottom of his case...

I got a little som'm som'm up my sleeve. Waiting to hear back from (hint) ex-Green Beret Don Paul, before I post it. Another hint; it's pretty obscure, only been seen in a behind-the-scenes photo.

Alternatively, I guess I'll have to move on to gear from other characters on the show. Already did the "US Army" knife that Ana took off one of the Others, in the "Other Gear" thread. Might eventually start trying to hit the guns found down in the hatch.

I appreciate your thanks!

[Cypher838]

If you need any help IDing the guns let me know. I can already tell you what guns they had before. In the pilot the Marshal's gun is a SIGPRO 9mm. It later reappears ,but is now a SIG P226. The Marshal's case contains a Beretta M92FS, a stainless steel Walther PPK, a 1911-A1 of some variety ,and a SIG P226. Now they have said that all these are 9mm but the Walther is a .380ACP and the 1911 is of course a .45ACP.

[Son of Locke]

I got a little som'm som'm up my sleeve. Waiting to hear back from (hint) ex-Green Beret Don Paul, before I post it. Another hint; it's pretty obscure, only been seen in a behind-the-scenes photo.

Alternatively, I guess I'll have to move on to gear from other characters on the show. Already did the "US Army" knife that Ana took off one of the Others, in the "Other Gear" thread. Might eventually start trying to hit the guns found down in the hatch.

I appreciate your thanks!

This may not be so appropriate here, but since you've put so much effort into inventorying Locke, I figured you'd know: aside from the hunting scene with Cooper (and for that matter since arriving on the Island), has Locke been shown holding a gun? I've been rw'ing S1 through about 9, and I didn't recall anything, so it kinda stuck in my head. Seemed (without further evidence) fitting, deliberate, and important.

[Cypher838]

Locke is the first person other than Kate to see inside the Marshal's case. Jack hands him a Beretta. Then he finds the dead drug smuggler and takes a compact Glock 26 from his corpse. Later this Glock 26 turns into a Glock 19. Yes Locke has held a gun. Once in the hatch, he is seen inventoring the armory ,where he examines an H&K PSG-1 sniper rifle.

[LostInWilderness]

He's holding one when he comes on Ethan and Jack after the ambush and in The Hunting Party.

[sgtdraino]

Then he finds the dead drug smuggler and takes a compact Glock 26 from his corpse. Later this Glock 26 turns into a Glock 19.

This is one of the guns I actually have tried to identify in the past, partly because it seemed more like "Locke's gun" at the time, and partly because I have a couple of Glocks myself, and figured that might help. Just double-checked the scene where Locke finds the gun on the corpse, and it is definitely not a subcompact Glock 26. I have a Glock 27 (same dimensions as a 26, only .40 instead of 9mm), and you can tell the barrel length of the one Locke finds is too long for a 26. Looks like an old-style 19 or 23 (my other Glock is a 23) to me, before they started putting rails on the front.

I haven't checked the other scene again yet (the one where Locke gives the gun to Sayid). Eventually I'll try to do some decent screencaps of the guns. If memory serves, the one in that scene has the old-style flat grip (no finger-grooves). It does look like the one in the corpse scene may have the finger-grooves, so that would be one difference.

Of course, my biggest question, is how do you come to the conclusion that it's a 9mm? I tried like heck to get a clear shot of the slide and try to read it, and I also tried looking at the end of the barrel, and I just can't be sure. Like the 26 and 27, the 19 and 23 are also the same size, just different calibers. I also kind of assume it's probably a 9mm, since that's a far more common round, but it's hard to be sure. Do you have additional information that adds weight to that theory?

[Cypher838]

Logical deduction. All Glocks look reasonably alike. the 19 and 23 are damn near identical,so are the 17 and 22, and the 26 and 27. I think they're 9mms ,because it is the most readily available round in the world. If the pilot is a Nigerian drug smuggler ,he'd probably have been more likely to carry a 9mm ,because they are found everywhere. I do think you're right though. I think it is a model 19. I went back and watched it again and it is too big to be a 26. The standard issue handgun to the Nigerian military is the SIG P226 ,so a criminal could easily get his hands on 9mm ammo. I can't see the inscription on the slide,so this is mostly just a guess.

[sgtdraino]

The Hi-Tec Algomas are taking a break! This week, in "Lockdown," we see that Locke now has different shoes:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v450/sgtdraino/Locke%20Knives/Boots2.jpg

Pretty good images, but as of yet I have been unable to identify them. Can you guys help? If we can just nail down what brand that insignia belongs to, the rest should be pretty simple. First person to figure out what they are, gets a cookie!!!

[Brian]

I looked through 33 pages of Google Image results for "boot company logos" last night and didn't find anything remotely similar to that symbol. I guess I'm gonna have to re-watch that scene and see if I can see it in more detail. Does the symbol, in that first pic, look like it might be a circle with a decorative "de" in it?

[LostInWilderness]

They must be Dharma Initiative boots.

[Brian]

Don't think that thought hadn't entered my mind as well! ;)

[sgtdraino]

I looked through 33 pages of Google Image results for "boot company logos" last night and didn't find anything remotely similar to that symbol. I guess I'm gonna have to re-watch that scene and see if I can see it in more detail. Does the symbol, in that first pic, look like it might be a circle with a decorative "de" in it?

I just can't tell. Been doing some extensive looking, and still coming up empty. I initially thought they were Hi-Tec Nova Lites, but they aren't (even though they look similar).

That's just a regular screen cap, not a high resolution one. Anybody know anyone that can go back and do a hi-res cap of that shoe? I bet the logo would come in loud-and-clear then.

Lost-media does not have a cap of that particular shot.

[mjgill85]

How's this one:

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a20/mjgill85/fa069a7c.jpg

[Brian]

Wow! Great resolution! Thanks mjgill! I'll don't remember seeing anything like that symbol when I did my search, but I was looking for something else entirely. It doesn't appear to be letters at all. Back to the drawing board...... :Booky:

[LostInWilderness]

LIW doesn't know shoes ;) , but I know a great screen cap when I see one.

[sgtdraino]

Been holding off on this one for awhile, hoping to locate a copy of the actual edition used on the show. But I'm tired of waiting! Check it out:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v450/sgtdraino/Locke%20Knives/LockesOutdoorSurvivalGuide.jpg

The black-and-white image is off the Oceanic Airlines site, one of a number of images showing us glimpses of some of the stuff in Locke's big metal case. This image shows he has a copy of "Outdoor Survival Guide," by SSG Don Paul, U.S. Army Special Forces, retired. The book is an earlier edition of what is now called "Everybody's Outdoor Survival Guide," which can be purchased directly from Don Paul (along with several other excellent books he has written) via his website:

http://www.survival-books.com/SurvivalGuide.htm

It's a good book, I'm reading it now. One of the ironic things about this choice, is that Don Paul is rather strongly against the idea of throwing knives! Also of interest, Don Paul lives in Hawaii, but is not involved in the show.

[sgtdraino]

Here's a closer look at my new avatar. I finally got all the Locke stuff I've collected together in one place, and took a picture of it. Try not to wet yourself:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v450/sgtdraino/Locke%20Knives/LockesLostLuggage.jpg

Oooooh yeah!!! :)

[LostInWilderness]

Wow. Nice collection.

[Hodgepodge]

Holy shit! Remind me never to make SgtDraino mad. Or, let him know where I live.

[sgtdraino]

Holy shit! Remind me never to make SgtDraino mad. Or, let him know where I live.

Don't worry, you're perfectly safe so long as The Island doesn't demand your sacrifice. :)

And, thanks to the LOST-TV World Map, I DO know where you live!!! :)

[time is a river]

Wow, this is incredible! Thank the gods I accessed "New Posts" or I wouldn't even know about it. Sgt Draino has put so much care into this. Also, it is significant that the production crew of Lost has put a lot of thought into Locke's props. That surprises me. My scenario would be: girlfriend or boyfriend of someone gets assigned this task, goes to a sporting goods store, says "i'll take that and this," and puts it on some magical sort of credit card, and bingo knives show up in Locke's suitcase. The fact that they have put so much care into these few props make me hope that they have put as much thought into the premise of the show, and that what will be revealed about the island's "secret" will be consistent with what we have seen so far.
:cool:

[John]

Here's a closer look at Locke's shoes from Lockdown.

http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h106/superbadazbass/LOST/217/217-Lockes-shoes01.jpg

[sgtdraino]

Here's a closer look at Locke's shoes from Lockdown.

BANG! Thanks TPTP for motivating me to give this another try, and thank you lost-media for screencaps that finally cracked this case!

I remembered getting another decent look at the shoes last week in "3 Minutes," and lost-media got a cap that finally identified what they are:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v450/sgtdraino/Locke%20Knives/LockesNevadosGreylockIIShoes.jpg

These are Nevados Greylock II hiking shoes, a model which (like the Hi-Tec Algomas) appears to have been discontinued some time ago. You can check out an owner review of these shoes at:

http://www.backpackgeartest.org/reviews/Footwear/Boots/Avia%20Nevados%20Greylock%20Light%20Hiker/Owner%20Review%20by%20Anthony%20Smith/

Looks like a good shoe!

[LostInWilderness]

It seems like they are purposely using discontinued items. I wonder if nobody will pony up bucks for product placement, or if TPTB are trying to tell us something.

[John]

Product placement $ or not, it seems like it would be more of a hassle to use discontinued products than to grab something still in production. For an item or two, they could have sent somebody to a clearance sale, but with several items, the cost of finding would have been more than a whim to save a buck.

[Hodgepodge]

Don't worry, you're perfectly safe so long as The Island doesn't demand your sacrifice. :)

And, thanks to the LOST-TV World Map, I DO know where you live!!! :)OK! I want someone to go by SgtDraino's house and make sure all of his love-ones are accounted for. :coffeedunk: And, does anyone know where I can rent bodyguards?


Product placement $ or not, it seems like it would be more of a hassle to use discontinued products than to grab something still in production. For an item or two, they could have sent somebody to a clearance sale, but with several items, the cost of finding would have been more than a whim to save a buck.I tend to agree with TPTP! Getting something that's going to be available at a store near you, makes more sense than buying something in short supply.

[LostInWilderness]

I tend to agree with TPTP! Getting something that's going to be available at a store near you, makes more sense than buying something in short supply.
We all agree then, so what's the reason?

[Hodgepodge]

We all agree then, so what's the reason?Maybe they're Terry's in real-life! :)

[Brian]

Maybe they're Terry's in real-life! :)
Perhaps, but I don't think so. If anything, I think this is another hole in the "LOST takes place in 2009" theory. How could something allegedly taking place in the future be blatantly using outdated props? Not that it isn't possible, but even I can't suspend disbelief for that long.

[sgtdraino]

Maybe they're Terry's in real-life! :)

I wondered about that! With the Hi-Tecs too.

But I think the most likely reason, is simply a combination of two factors:
(1) Shoe models, like clothes, tend to get discontinued quite often, and
(2) There is a delay from the time production starts on a new season, to the time that we see it on our television screens.

These models may (or may not, this is totally unconfirmed) have been in production when the show purchased them as props.

I agree, it wouldn't make sense to use models that are discontinued, if only for continuity reasons. Each actor tends to have multiple identical copies of each costume they wear, for shooting things out-of-order, and in case one of the props gets messed up or damaged.

Of course, since the crash allegedly occured on 9/22/2004, everything used should be at least that old. I guess the real thing we should be looking for, is trying to spot prop items that were not made prior to 2004. Haven't tried to do that yet!

[LostInWilderness]

So you're saying that Locke's gear is so specific, that the lines don't continue long? That may be true with some stuff, but not the classics. L.L Bean boots don't change much. Wolverine boots don't change much. You can buy tons of surplus military gear that hasn't changed in decades. TPTB could have gotten gear for Locke that would for all intents and purposes be timeless, but it seems to me the went out of their way to come up with items that were going out of style. Maybe it fits with Locke being a wanabee, but I wonder if there's more to it.

[sgtdraino]

TPTB could have gotten gear for Locke that would for all intents and purposes be timeless, but it seems to me the went out of their way to come up with items that were going out of style. Maybe it fits with Locke being a wanabee, but I wonder if there's more to it.

Definitely good points. I hope you're right!

Of course, I wonder how likely it is that Locke would be the original owner of either of these pairs of hiking shoes? After all, he couldn't have planned on doing any actual hiking on his walkabout. But then again, the black loafers don't exactly go with the vest (which is definitely his). I need to take another look at Locke's scene in Australia, where the tour guide turns him away. He's dressed for his walkabout then, I wonder if his shoes are ever visible?

[John]

I think they are when he is finally shown in the wheelchair. He turns to face the camera as the guide leaves the office.

[Hodgepodge]

I'm trying to remember what shoes he puts on when he wakes up on the beach that first time. If I go to Lost-Media to check, will I run into spoiler pics? You guys know I hate spoiler pics!



ETA: Here's the only one I could find from the beach. I can't make out anything. Anybody else?


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v623/WilHodge/Locke_Walkabout.jpg


Of course, I wonder how likely it is that Locke would be the original owner of either of these pairs of hiking shoes? After all, he couldn't have planned on doing any actual hiking on his walkabout. But then again, the black loafers don't exactly go with the vest (which is definitely his). I need to take another look at Locke's scene in Australia, where the tour guide turns him away. He's dressed for his walkabout then, I wonder if his shoes are ever visible?I checked out that scene, and you don't get a good look. I can't be sure what he's wearing on his feet.

[sgtdraino]

I'm trying to remember what shoes he puts on when he wakes up on the beach that first time.

He puts on the black loafers, which he wears until he changes shoes in Walkabout.

I checked out that scene, and you don't get a good look. I can't be sure what he's wearing on his feet.

There is one picture from lost-media:

http://www.lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimagepopup&pid=15708&fullsize=1

It's hard to tell, but once I lightened it up some, it looks like he is indeed wearing the Hi-Tec Algomas during that scene.

[sculpey]

What an amazing thread.

[napotnik]

What about his watch..? :D and pants? Cheers

[napotnik]

And now, the next item I have:

..................Of course, there's still stuff of Locke's I haven't been able to identify. He's had at least a couple different pairs of khaki cargo pants, and I haven't been able to pin down any of them.............. Dunno what kind of watch he has, or what kind of belt he has. ......Until next time...

I guess I missed that post..

Yeah so.. I can't seem to find the pants either. I've looked through cabelas, l.l. bean, columbia, military surpus, ebay.. can't quite match them. Though the lighter ones are of a military style.. they've got the right buttons and pockets, but also have the addition of a zipper pocket above the right leg's cargo pocket. I thought it might be BDU pants, but the pocket flaps are a little different, there is a zippered pocket on the right leg, and the material seems to be of a lighter material.

There has got to be a way to talk with the costume designer.. right? :D

Cheers,
August

[Television]

Can anyone find the shirt lock is first seen wearing in the series? The White one with small blue checkers I think?

[Television]

This one?
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f63/sledathon/Locke_Walkabout.jpg

[sgtdraino]

Can anyone find the shirt lock is first seen wearing in the series? The White one with small blue checkers I think?

I have looked long and hard to try and figure out who makes that shirt, but have come up empty. Clothing changes and varies so much, it's really practically impossible to pin down that specific checkered pattern, or what brand it is. If you're interested, lost-media has a much better picture:

http://www.lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimagepopup&pid=36169&fullsize=1

No idea who makes it, though.

[Television]

I might take a look for it. That shirts got an odd button at the bottom. Might be a clue into the wearabouts of it.

[Television]

Ive tried looking up the names of members of the costume department.

Though i have foudn this if you wanted to add it to your locke collection http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6242157636&ssPageName=MERCOSI_VI_ROSI_PR4_PCN_BIX_Stores

Its a piece of his t-shirt apparently from one on the episodes though I doubt theres that many pieces.

[sgtdraino]

I might take a look for it. That shirts got an odd button at the bottom. Might be a clue into the wearabouts of it.

I dunno what that thing at the bottom is! I'm not convinced it's a button. It's on the wrong side, for one thing. Weird.

Though i have foudn this if you wanted to add it to your locke collection http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6242157636&ssPageName=MERCOSI_VI_ROSI_PR4_PCN_BIX_Stores

Its a piece of his t-shirt apparently from one on the episodes though I doubt theres that many pieces.

A piece of an old t-shirt with ToQ sweat all over it? I dunno, that's a little bit Eeewww.

And man, they're asking HOW much for a tiny fragment of a t-shirt? If you ask me, that's ricockulous (thanks bongnatas and otherdruid, it's my new favorite word).

[sgtdraino]

Okay, this is a slight cheat, because these are strictly mine, and not Locke's, but it's gonna be a while 'til we get new Lost, and I think you'll enjoy these anyway:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v450/sgtdraino/Master%20Throwing%20Bowie/FaithandHope.jpg

These two knives, pictured at the center, are my primary carry knives.

"Faith" was hand-made by John Bailey and Mike Spiker, patterned off of the el-cheapo Master Bowie on the far left. It was created specifically for throwing, made from an especially tough quarter-inch steel, with linen mycarta grips (made by Matt Willey) attached with flathead screws, easily tightened in the field:

http://www.throwingknives.com/
http://www.willeyknives.com/

"Hope" is a Cold Steel San Mai III Trail Master, in my opinion one of the toughest production knives there is. It's a hefty 5/16 inch thick, made from San Mai III steel, which consists of a hard steel sandwiched between layers of more flexible steel. This gets you the best of both worlds: A blade that stays sharp longer, but is more flexible, less brittle. It also has a rolled edge, shaped like a clamshell. The same sort of edge is used on samurai swords, for maximum toughness and maximum penetration. And yes, while not specifically made for throwing, this knife is definitely tough enough for it:

http://www.coldsteel.com/fixed-blades-trail-master-series.html

For comparison, pictured on the far left and right respectively, are the Master Bowie of S1 Locke, and the SOG Tigershark of S2 Locke. Enjoy! :)

[Hodgepodge]

I love you SgtDraino! :Hugglepounce: (man-hug) *I'm hoping he took his meds today!*

[Television]

Was Locke's knife in further instructions new?

[sgtdraino]

Was Locke's knife in further instructions new?

Nope! Locke is still using the SOG Tigershark he pulled out early in S2. It is the knife on the far right, three posts up.

However, as Cypher838 (http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/member.php?u=8723) mentioned to me, it does appear that Locke is using a different backpack now! Have not had a chance to take a really hard look at it yet, but will make an effort to identify it soon. Looks like a standard U.S. Army pack at first glance.

And why would Locke be using a different pack all of a sudden? Very odd. I'm trying to remember if his F1 pack was inside the hatch when it imploded. Anybody?

[The Purple Tomato]

Eko stole it shortly before the season finale. Maybe thats why Locke had to pick up a new one. But where he get it from.

[Cypher838]

That's true bit it's a bit of a snafu on the part of the prop department. Eko does indeed take Locke's F-1 and stays in the hatch. Locke goes to the beach and sits, but notice when he cuts off his splint he grabs his F-1 rucksack and heads off to the hatch. As far as where did he get the new ALICE pack,that could just be another prop mistake, but remember in the first season when Claire and Kate were going throught the luggage, they cam across a pair of Desert Camo BDU pants and a boonie hat.Maybe there was a soldier or militant individual on the plane who didn't make it. Maybe it's his pack that Locke comendered. I think it's just a prop screw up. I think Sgt.Draino will back me up on this one,because look at the guns in the hatch. All those guns were mostly old Soviet weapons(SKS,Dragunov,AK-47,Makarov,Tokarev,etc) yet in the hunting party there is a Colt 1911,At least 2 SIG P-226s,and a curent Glock 17 with a rail frame which is a feature found on newer Glocks. Also remember the gun case wasn't put in the armory until The Long Con, so they weren't those guns. And I lost count of how many Beretta M92Fs showed up.There was only one in the marshals' case ,but there are several on the island now. So it's hard to keep track of Locke's gear and other props as you can tell.

[sgtdraino]

First, kudos to Cypher838 for being the first to make the correct call. Locke's new pack is indeed a US military-issue medium LC-1 ALICE pack:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v450/sgtdraino/Locke%20Knives/LockesMediumLC-1ALICEPack.jpg

This type of pack started being issued as early as 1975, so it's possible it could be found in the hatch. Although, as has been mentioned previously, equipment in the hatch generally does not seem to be US-issue. It's more likely that Locke either had this pack, or found it in the plane wreckage.

ALICE stands for All-purpose Lightweight Individual Carrying Equipment. The medium LC-1 ALICE pack has a modular design. Additional gear and pockets can be attached around the outside, the straps are removable, and an aluminum frame for the pack is optional. Locke appears to not be using a frame. Learn more about the ALICE system:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-purpose_Lightweight_Individual_Carrying_Equipment

Re-watching the season 2 finale, it is now clear that the new pack is NOT a prop error. The F1 was indeed inside the hatch when it imploded. Locke had it slung on his back when he initially confronted Eko in the hatch, about not pushing the button. In the process of Eko throwing Locke out, the pack slipped off his shoulder and was left behind. When Locke returned, it was when he and Desmond snuck in and activated the lockdown. It is unlikely Locke would have removed the pack from the hatch before they did this, and so it most likely remained there.

Too bad! The F1 was a nice, simple pack. Ah well, long live the LC-1! :)

[Television]

Seems you can fit alot of stuff in this new one though.

[Cypher838]

There is one SNAFU in the Season 2 finale. Locke does indeed leave his pack when Eko throws him out. Yet when he approaches Desmond after that, he is carrying his pack.As far as the ALICE pack being in the hatch, I believe it to be entirely possible. Look at all the stuff in the armory. There appeared to be all sorts of surplus gear in addition to weapons. In any case, keep up the great work Sarge.

[John]

These are Nevados Greylock II hiking shoes, a model which (like the Hi-Tec Algomas) appears to have been discontinued some time ago. You can check out an owner review of these shoes at:

http://www.backpackgeartest.org/reviews/Footwear/Boots/Avia%20Nevados%20Greylock%20Light%20Hiker/Owner%20Review%20by%20Anthony%20Smith/

Looks like a good shoe!

I wouldn't bet on the newer models. I recently purchased a pair that was somewhat similar. In only three weeks of non-hiking use I blew out the sole on both. I just noticed. I've been wearing a pair of Nike classic style (I forget the exact model name) tennis shoes lately. I put the Nevados on today and noted that they felt really strange while walking. When I took them off tonight, I found that the sole had split in 4-5 places on each. Complete blow-out water-leak style splits.

I also had a pair of Tiva knock-offs made by Navados several years ago, and they held up fairly well and the fit was astounding, but at half the cost they made it only 1/4 the milage of real Tivas.

[sgtdraino]

I wouldn't bet on the newer models. I recently purchased a pair that was somewhat similar. In only three weeks of non-hiking use I blew out the sole on both.

You may have a point. In fact, if you check out the picture on page 9, you can see that the pair Terry is wearing has actually lost one of the speed lace hooks.

Naturally, me being me, I've obtained a pair of the Greylock IIs for myself. I wear then often, and so far they are holding up well. A bit roomy, but then they are a half-size bigger than I usually wear (closest I could get with a discontinued shoe). Have not really tested them with a hardcore hike yet, though.

[FoundAddict]

great work sgtdraino, i'm thoroughly impressed.

[Hodgepodge]

great work sgtdraino, i'm thoroughly impressed.You'd better be FoundAddict! Don't forget, SgtDraino owns every knife in Locke's case. :scared:

[StevenKarp]

Did anyone else notice that the knife Sun used to cut the chum is a SOG Tigershark? This raises the question: Did Locke bring two Tigersharks to the island, or is he currently carrying another knife (we haven't seen him unsheathe his knife since he went to "rescue Jack")? Of course, one could also make the case that one shouldn't read too much into the casual appearances of props, and that I should get a life.

SK

[Brian]

:welcome: SK I missed that and I have to get back into the habit of watching for Locke's goodies while watching LOST. Thanks to him ending up in the hatch in S2, I stopped paying as close of attention as I should. I'll keep an eye out for it next time I watch Par Avion.

[sgtdraino]

Did anyone else notice that the knife Sun used to cut the chum is a SOG Tigershark? This raises the question: Did Locke bring two Tigersharks to the island, or is he currently carrying another knife (we haven't seen him unsheathe his knife since he went to "rescue Jack")? Of course, one could also make the case that one shouldn't read too much into the casual appearances of props, and that I should get a life.

SK

Interesting notion, StevenKarp, but it doesn't look like the Tigershark to me:

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1262-220.html

Looks more like the Kabar, used by Boone before he died. That said, I am still nearly certain that it was a Tigershark Eko used to cut off his two little tufts of beard, that he gave to Ben. Terry O'Quinn has gone on record to say that SOG donated several Tigersharks for use on the show, so make of that what you will. Locke did have the Tigershark with him throughout the entire mission to The Flame and The Barracks.

[sgtdraino]

Hey gang, I recently posed a few prop-related questions to Terry O'Quinn over at The Fuselage, and whaddaya know, he answered!

http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=74743

So here's Terry, short, sweet, and to the point...

1. I've noticed you wear your belt "backwards." How come? I'd think it would make it more difficult to take your knife off between scenes. Is there some method to this madness?

I don't know if it's actually or backwards or upside down.........but either way, it's how I've always worn it.

2. At the start of Season 2, there's a short scene where Locke swaps the Master Bowie for the SOG Tigershark. The Tigershark has a thicker blade than the Master Bowie. Did you really put it in the same sheath used for the Master Bowie? Or was a copy of that sheath made, that was bigger to accomodate the SOG? Related question, how do you like the SOG compared to the Master Bowie?

Same sheath................no comparison, the SOG is much better than the previous wood-handled one.

3. We rarely see Locke wear the Campco vest anymore, which he wore quite a bit for Season 1. Was this your choice, because wearing it was kind of a hassle? Or one made by the makers?

Yeah, kind of a hassle.

4. How do you like the current ALICE pack of Season 3 Locke, compared to the old French F1 pack of Season 1 and 2 Locke? Personally, I found the F1 to be far more comfortable and simple to use, than the ALICE pack. You?

I like the Season 1 pack better.

5. Do you think we'll ever see Locke's big metal Rimowa case o' knives again? Do you get to hang on to any of those props during the course of shooting? Is that metal case still even around anywhere?

Those knives are still around somewhere.

6. Back in Season 1, for a while Locke had a Spyderco Harpy clipped to the outside of his vest. Then, after a certain point in the season, a cheaper knockoff of a Spyderco was seen in its place. Some have theorized that the real Spyderco might have been stolen from the prop department. Any comments?

You clearly know more about that stuff than I. I never noticed the difference.

[Susan B Anthony]

That's very cool, Sarge. Clearly, we are way more obsessive about the props than the man who uses them (as if we didn't know that already).

[Island Hobo]

Wow he actually answers questions and stuff over there, nice stuff Sarge and it's awesome to see comments from the real Locke :D

[Hodgepodge]

Unbelievable SgtDraino! It's obvious you know a lot about knives (don't ever forget we're buds), but I was surprised Terry knew a little about this stuff as well. :nanabobo:

[Brian]

Thanks sgtdraino! I really enjoy reading TOQ's comments about the show especially Locke's gear.

[Cypher838]

What sort of knife was Sawyer using to clean the fish? Also Did Jin have a Ka-bar tied to a stick as a spear?

[sgtdraino]

What sort of knife was Sawyer using to clean the fish? Also Did Jin have a Ka-bar tied to a stick as a spear?

I'm pretty sure that both of those were Ka-bars. We've been seeing that one a lot lately!

Meanwhile, a new mystery:

Apparently Locke has changed shoes again without telling us! When I asked Terry on The Fuselage about the various shoes he has worn in the show, he replied with the following:

The first shoes hurt my feet. As far as I can tell most of our shoes are designed for four toes instead of five...........coincidence? Anyway, the wardrobe department got me some ......redwings?............or something; (not the ones you mentioned 'cause these new ones are still availabe and don't have hooks.) I just don't tie 'em up all the way 'cause, you know, they get very funky on the island and I like to stay away from 'em. The problem is, as you know, "absence makes the part grow fungus,", or somethin'. Guess I'll have to swim a little more.......................kiddin'.........I think.................pretty sure.

oquinn

Sheesh! :) But anyhoo, we finally got a look at Locke's new Season 3 shoes in "The Man Behind the Curtain," when Ben shoots Locke and he falls into the Pit o' DHARMA:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v450/sgtdraino/Locke%20Knives/LockesRedWings.jpg

Well, they're definitely not the Algoma's or the Greylocks. Like Terry says, looks like he's only got them laced up halfway. Assuming Terry's recollection is correct, and these are current model Red Wing shoes without hooks, model 2233 is the closest looking ones I could find on their website:

http://www.redwingshoe.com/

Odd thing is, this model is really more of a work boot than a hiking boot. They've even got steel toes, which I'd think would be rather hot to wear in a climate like Hawaii. Of course, the picture from the episode doesn't show a lot of detail. Anybody want to try and hunt down a better shot of Locke's new shoes?

[jacob77]

how many knives does one guy need

[Brian]

As a knife collector let me say simply, as many as it takes. ;)

[Susan B Anthony]

Hey, Sarge. How about the gun Locke dug up out of the Dharma pit of death? Any way to tell if it is the same gun that Richard had on his belt when he first saw adolescent Ben in the jungle? Inquiring minds want to know.

[sgtdraino]

Hey, Sarge. How about the gun Locke dug up out of the Dharma pit of death? Any way to tell if it is the same gun that Richard had on his belt when he first saw adolescent Ben in the jungle? Inquiring minds want to know.

I was just trying to identify that gun last night, Suze! I couldn't spot any identifying markings on it, but I think the frame style should be specific enough to match up. Haven't looked at Richard's gun yet. Does he take it out of its holster? If it stays in the holster, it will be tough to positively identify.

[Brian]

I couldn't find any pics of Alpert's gun out of the holster from that scene where he met Ben. Also, the holsters appear to be different. The one Alpert had had a flap that closed over the handle/grip of his pistol whereas the pistol that Locke found had a strap that closed over the hammer. Possibly the same as it's been awhile since I've looked at pistol holsters.

ETA - After looking at the pics side-by-side, I don't think the holsters are the same. Alpert's looks like the belt loop is on the back of the holster and the other is on the top of the holster. I don't think they're the same pistol but, I couldn't find a pic of Alpert's. Hmm.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v698/Leuthen2/curtain-cap445.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v698/Leuthen2/3x22-glass0977.jpg


ETA II - Hey sgtdraino, did you happen to catch which knife Locke used to dispose of Naomi? That blade looked awfully wide.

[sgtdraino]

ETA II - Hey sgtdraino, did you happen to catch which knife Locke used to dispose of Naomi? That blade looked awfully wide.

Locke took Naomi out with his primary carry knife since early Season 2: The SOG tigershark. :)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v450/sgtdraino/Locke%20Knives/LockesSOGTigershark.jpg

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1300-1986.html

[Brian]

Thanks. I must've gotten an odd view of the screen because I thought the blade was wider. The screencap helps. :thankyous

[Hodgepodge]

Hey, Sarge. How about the gun Locke dug up out of the Dharma pit of death? Any way to tell if it is the same gun that Richard had on his belt when he first saw adolescent Ben in the jungle? Inquiring minds want to know.I know nothing about guns. But, from the markings on the grip kind of looks like an Ole Western gun. Like a Colt-45! Can you tell anything by the holster?

[sgtdraino]

Okay, after a fair bit of googling, I think I've got it nailed down:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v450/sgtdraino/Locke%20Knives/LockesSWRevolver.jpg

Based on the shape of the grip, frame, hammer, front sight, and ejector rod assembly, I think the gun Locke found in the pit is a Smith & Wesson Model 1905 M&P (for Military & Police) chambered in .38 Special. First developed in 1899, manufactured in large numbers during WWII as the "Victory Model," eventually redesignated as the S&W Model 10, with a few changes.

Learn more about the S&W M&P:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%26W_Model_10

[MrSocko]

I hate revolvers.

[Brian]

Good investigating there sgtdraino. I kept getting hung up looking at Colt's. No wonder I couldn't find it and you beat me to it before I could start looking again. :) S&W was next on the list.

[clayseason1]

I just revisited walkabout and I thought of this thread (and linked it in Locke's season1 walkthrough).

This is a marvelous thread sgtdraino, and your hard work is appreciated!

[sgtdraino]

I just revisited walkabout and I thought of this thread (and linked it in Locke's season1 walkthrough).

This is a marvelous thread sgtdraino, and your hard work is appreciated!

Thanks Clay! A small bit of news: I recently added Locke's death-pit gun to my own personal collection! Lucked out and found one at a local pawn shop that is JUST like the one used in the show. It's even got the right barrel length, unlike the gun in the comparison pics. Based on my research so far, I estimate my gun was made sometime between 1920 and 1930. It is indeed an M&P, and at some point during its history, was a police officer's duty weapon (it's got P.P.D. stamped into the frame). I have fired it, and it is quite accurate; I got a tight grouping 22 yards from the target, which was as far away as you could get at the indoor range I was shooting in. Indeed, this is a very reliable weapon.

At some point I'll update the comparison pics using my gun, very close match.

[clayseason1]

JUST like the one used in the show. It's even got the right barrel length, unlike the gun in the comparison pics. Based on my research so far, I estimate my gun was made sometime between 1920 and 1930.

First -- congrats on the find!

If that gun was manufactured circa 1920-1930, then what was it doing on a Dharma personnel corpse? You would think that their munitions would be the newest available....right?

[sgtdraino]

First -- congrats on the find!

If that gun was manufactured circa 1920-1930, then what was it doing on a Dharma personnel corpse? You would think that their munitions would be the newest available....right?

Not necessarily. Often large organizations are the last to update all of their equipment, specifically because it is such a large undertaking. In the move "Breach," it was illustrated how the FBI (at the time) was still using antiquated filing technology. The United States armed forces use lots of equipment that is quite old. Many police departments were still using old revolvers (instead of semi-autos, like Glocks) up through the mid-90s.

[Hodgepodge]

You're still my favorite member SgtDraino! :love2: *He owns to many guns*

[Naaar]

Can someone give me a Link of a Webshop where i can buy the Master Bowie?

this is the last knife i need for my collection but i cant find it ! not even 1 webshop that has it, please someone help me

[sgtdraino]

You're still my favorite member SgtDraino! :love2: *He owns to many guns*

Dang right I am! And there's no such thing as too many guns. :)

*Or "to many guns."* :P

Can someone give me a Link of a Webshop where i can buy the Master Bowie?

this is the last knife i need for my collection but i cant find it ! not even 1 webshop that has it, please someone help me

Ah, another collector! A kindred spirit! Excellent!
Ironic that one of Locke's cheapest knives is also becoming one of the hardest to get; these are quite hard to find these days. I got my first from Atlanta Cutlery, but they don't appear to carry it anymore.

I got a second from a distributor for Master and Jaguar knives, Dubose Distributors:

http://dubosedistributors.com/MasterKnives.php

But this particular item, YD-1215, no longer appears on the site. I suggest you call the number and see if they still can be had.

I did however find two other sites that appear to still sell this knife:

http://www.superflyfishing.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=588

This site is promising, they actually have a picture of it. The other site is:

http://www.monstermarketplace.com/Sports/Landing3532a587.html

Definitely sounds like the knife, but for some odd reason they have a picture of a tote bag in its place. ???

These were the only two places on the internet I could find that still seem to have it. I suggest you jump on this right away and see if you can get one, because my suspicion is that once these guys run out of stock, that's it. My gut says that Master isn't making it anymore.

Good luck. And please report back and let us know what you find!

[Naaar]

Dang right I am! And there's no such thing as too many guns. :)

*Or "to many guns."* :P



Ah, another collector! A kindred spirit! Excellent!
Ironic that one of Locke's cheapest knives is also becoming one of the hardest to get; these are quite hard to find these days. I got my first from Atlanta Cutlery, but they don't appear to carry it anymore.

I got a second from a distributor for Master and Jaguar knives, Dubose Distributors:

http://dubosedistributors.com/MasterKnives.php

But this particular item, YD-1215, no longer appears on the site. I suggest you call the number and see if they still can be had.

I did however find two other sites that appear to still sell this knife:

http://www.superflyfishing.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=588

This site is promising, they actually have a picture of it. The other site is:

http://www.monstermarketplace.com/Sports/Landing3532a587.html

Definitely sounds like the knife, but for some odd reason they have a picture of a tote bag in its place. ???

These were the only two places on the internet I could find that still seem to have it. I suggest you jump on this right away and see if you can get one, because my suspicion is that once these guys run out of stock, that's it. My gut says that Master isn't making it anymore.

Good luck. And please report back and let us know what you find!

thanx for the awnser, i cant buy it on any of those site's, to bad ... i wont get the master bowie :(

[Brian]

Well, I had a couple of extra dollars this weekend, and the gun/knife show was in town, so you do the math. I picked up a couple of knives from Locke's collection that I didn't already have: The Smith & Wesson S.W.A.T. and the serrated K-Bar. All in all I walked out of there $150 (give or take) poorer but it was money well spent IMO. I was hoping to find the Spyderco Harpy or a SOG Tigershark (the two I really need to finish) but no luck. Any ideas on places for the Tigershark, sarge?

(One of these days, I'm gonna need a metal case too. :))

[sgtdraino]

Well, I had a couple of extra dollars this weekend, and the gun/knife show was in town, so you do the math. I picked up a couple of knives from Locke's collection that I didn't already have: The Smith & Wesson S.W.A.T. and the serrated K-Bar. All in all I walked out of there $150 (give or take) poorer but it was money well spent IMO. I was hoping to find the Spyderco Harpy or a SOG Tigershark (the two I really need to finish) but no luck. Any ideas on places for the Tigershark, sarge?

Your best bet for both is probably the internet, and I suggest you move fast on the Tigershark, as <gasp> SOG has recently discontinued the model!!! Hitting ebay, I see a grand total of one currently for sale, and it's going for a pretty reasonable price for a Tigershark:

http://cgi.ebay.com/SOG-Tigershark-Fixed-Blade-Hunting-Survival-Knife_W0QQitemZ360016868537QQihZ023QQcategoryZ4332 6QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQ_trksidZp1638.m118.l1247 QQcmdZViewItem

The Tigershark is a really excellent knife, I have been very happy with mine. Far tougher than I even thought it would be. This is the knife that Locke threw into Naomi's back, the same one that Terry demonstrates "throwing from the handle." And now, finally, Locke has gotten this knife back again! I was afraid it might stay lost in the woods.

(One of these days, I'm gonna need a metal case too. :))

Heh. Good luck! The case was the hardest-to-find and most expensive thing for me. I think it's discontinued, but 3 years ago I found one in Germany.

And now, Brian has motivated me to finally get my ass in gear and post some comparison pics of my own Smith & Wesson M&P (the revolver from the DHARMA death pit):

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v450/sgtdraino/Locke%20Knives/LockesMP2.jpg

Nice, eh? :)

[Brian]

Hitting ebay, I see a grand total of one currently for sale....

Not anymore. :) That was the cheapest price I'd seen it all day actually, by a long shot.

Nice comparison pics there! You should dirty yours up a bit so it matches better. ;)

[sgtdraino]

Naaaah, I like mine to actually shoot good!

And it does shoot really good. Extremely accurate, even though my specific gun is (based on the serial number) something around 100 years old!

[Green Arrow]

Draino


I just read through 16 pages of awesomness. You've got a great collection :D

[sgtdraino]

Draino


I just read through 16 pages of awesomness. You've got a great collection :D

Thanks! :) Had you never seen it before?

[Green Arrow]

Nope, my first time venturing into this thread :D

[sgtdraino]

Nope, my first time venturing into this thread :D

lol. Still think you're more obsessed than I am? ;)

Incidentally, I am still trying (and failing) to identify Locke's current footwear. Terry has said that he thinks they are Red Wings, but I think he's wrong. I can't find any model on their site that looks like the shoe.

Any help anyone can provide in finding a match would be... uh... helpful! :)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v450/sgtdraino/Lost/Boots.jpg

The most noteable thing to me, is it looks like there's a protruding edge at the top of the sole, that goes all the way around the boot. Kinda like on rain boots. I have yet to find any soles that look like this, though. If we can match the style of the sole, that might at least give us a brand.

[Green Arrow]

You're not planning on getting a grenade, are you?

[Brian]

I'd be surprised if he didn't already have one.

[sgtdraino]

You're not planning on getting a grenade, are you?

I'd be surprised if he didn't already have one.

lol. Funny you should say that, I was just looking at a deactivated grenade in a thrift store the other day, but it wasn't for sale.

Sure, I'll probably pick one up eventually, if I can find one for a decent price.

Incidentally, I may have found a match for Locke's present boots:

http://www.wolverine.com/Product-Enlarge/Wolverine/6-inch-BOOTS/Mens/Wolverine-Compressor-6-inch-Boot.aspx

That lip protruding around the top of the sole looks about right, to me. Thoughts?

[Brian]

I'd say they're pretty close, sarge. The only thing keeping me from saying "Yes!" is not being able to see the sole in your link above. My Wolverine boots have a different sole, but they're a different model too so I can't really go by that.

[Green Arrow]

lol. Funny you should say that, I was just looking at a deactivated grenade in a thrift store the other day, but it wasn't for sale.

Sure, I'll probably pick one up eventually, if I can find one for a decent price.

Incidentally, I may have found a match for Locke's present boots:

http://www.wolverine.com/Product-Enlarge/Wolverine/6-inch-BOOTS/Mens/Wolverine-Compressor-6-inch-Boot.aspx

That lip protruding around the top of the sole looks about right, to me. Thoughts?

Yeah, that's pretty close. But you can harldy see the sole like Brian said. But I think the symbol is right.

['Stoon]

sarge...just read the thread and this is awesome...

On the boot thing... I looked up on ebay some wolv 6" compressors

Ebay (http://cgi.ebay.com/WOLVERINE-COMPRESSOR-6-BOOT-11-E_W0QQitemZ360030532096QQihZ023QQcategoryZ63850QQs sPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

couldn't find anything with a sole picture, but I would reckon those are his boots...

i'm not a huge collector of knives but I do have a few that I use when I go camping, mountain climbing, hunting and kayaking...but I do have a few: sog flash II, crkt m16-14zsf - think thats the model number... and my favorite the kabar...


great thread btw

[Mister Ten Thirteen]

hi

I'm new here just read this thead best thread ever. you got a nice knife collection sgt and much more. I'm a knife collector to and was thingking of making a knife case to not the same as locke his just a design of my own for my own knives but the knives are held in place by magnets but how did you attached the magnets to the case?

grtz.

[sgtdraino]

sarge...just read the thread and this is awesome...

Thanks 'Stoon. It's a hobby! :)

On the boot thing... I looked up on ebay some wolv 6" compressors

Yep, same model that I found, but the color on those looks a little lighter. I am confident enough that these are the ones, that I have now ordered a pair (they're due to arrive today). Should have some good pics up soon!


I'm new here just read this thead best thread ever. you got a nice knife collection sgt and much more.

Thanks very much, Mister!

I'm a knife collector to and was thingking of making a knife case to not the same as locke his just a design of my own for my own knives but the knives are held in place by magnets but how did you attached the magnets to the case?

I used a strong epoxy glue. I can't remember if I used Gorilla Glue, or if I used one of the super-strong 2-part epoxies. If memory serves correctly, the Rimowa is lined with wood. After you cut away the insulation where you put your knives, there is a layer of wood underneath, and I glued the magnets to that. Three years later, none of them has ever come unglued. If you use a different case for your knives, it might be lined with something else. Of course you'll want to use a glue that is right for whatever material you are gluing.

The magnets themselves are substantial ceramic magnets I got from Lowes.

And now, as a special request from BoarHunter, here are some comparison shots of Locke's knife sheath from Season 1, compared to the sheath he has had since he started wearing the SOG Tigershark:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v450/sgtdraino/Locke%20Knives/LockesSheaths.jpg

As you can see, in spite of what Terry has said, these are two different sheaths. The belt loop of the original has a curve to the back edge, whereas the current one goes straight up. There is also some additional stitching reinforcing the current belt loop that the original does not have. The original had small rivets on either side of the sheath opening, the current appears not to. The shapes of the two sheaths are slightly different, and the design stamped into the current one is a bit different towards the bottom (the point), as well as being a slightly different color.

[BoarHunter]

Great comparison pics! I wasn't 100% sure that they were different sheaths 'til now. Good work, sarge!

['Stoon]

did you get some boots?

[sgtdraino]

did you get some boots?

Yep! :)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v450/sgtdraino/Locke%20Knives/LockesWolverineBoots3.jpg

These are 6" Wolverine Compressor work boots. Very sturdy, and mostly distinctive for the unusual lip that runs around the top edge of the sole, to which the sole is stitched. This lip enables the sole to be replaced with a new sole after the old one gets worn out. A high quality boot, but quite stiff until you break 'em in good. After that, they are very comfortable. My pair appears to be a slightly updated model, with two small vents installed on the inner side of the boot to help the foot breath. Locke's boots do not appear to have these vents.

[sgtdraino]

Took me a while to get to this one, but here it is!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v450/sgtdraino/Locke%20Knives/LockesGrenade.jpg

This is a Mk 2 fragmentation grenade, commonly called a "pineapple" grenade. It is of U.S. design, introduced during World War II, and continued to be used through the Vietnam conflict, but is now considered obsolete. Unlike some of the other early hand grenade designs, the Mk 2 has a relatively small casualty radius of only 10 meters. Locke probably obtained his from the armory in The Swan at some point, which was observed to have several crates that appeared to be the type that grenades are kept in. Mikhail Bakunin also used a Mk 2 grenade to blow open a portal on The Looking Glass and kill Charlie Pace.

Learn more about hand grenades:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mk_2_grenade

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hand_grenade

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_hand_grenades

http://www.inetres.com/gp/military/infantry/grenade/hand.html

[BoarHunter]

Ha, that look is priceless. Hope to see more of that from Locke!

[sgtdraino]

I found out a new and interesting little factoid about the Spyderco Harpy, which Locke clipped to his vest in season one.

The new information is added to the original Harpy post on page 2, or you can go directly to it:

http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showpost.php?p=88720&postcount=14

[GreenBeretBob]

What happened to all of sgtdraino's pictures?

[MaggiePixel]

What happened to all of sgtdraino's pictures?They look fine to me.

[Brian]

Apparently Photobucket was hacked today or yesterday? I'm not sure of all the details but that may be why some of the images aren't loading correctly. They look OK to me but I only looked at the first page.

ETA - From Photobucket's forum:
On Tuesday afternoon, some users that typed in the Photobucket.com URL were temporarily redirected to an incorrect page due to an error in our DNS hosting services. The error was fixed within an hour of its discovery, but due to the nature of the problem, some users will not have access to Photobucket for a few hours as the fix rolls out. It is important to note that only a portion of Photobucket users encountered the problem and that no Photobucket content, password information or other personal information was affected by the redirect.

(Source (http://forums.photobucket.com/showthread.php?t=27024))

[GreenBeretBob]

Oh. When I was on earlier and not to long ago, the images weren't working. but they were only sgtdrainos pics. Thanks for clearing things up.

[sgtdraino]

What happened to all of sgtdraino's pictures?

It was all a clever ruse to bring you out of lurkdom, GreenBeretBob. I'm honored for this thread to have your very first post! :)

[ZIA]

YAY! One of my favorite threads is back. :)

[Annie]

This thread is amazing!!

[silversurfer]

What kind of coffin is he in, Sarge?

[sgtdraino]

What kind of coffin is he in, Sarge?

lol. I was actually thinking of doing a gag entry the other day entitled "Locke's Coffin!" But unfortunately, I really have no idea what kind of coffin that is. :)

[silversurfer]

You better get on it. It's his last worldly possession!

[sgtdraino]

You better get on it. It's his last worldly possession!

You shut your dirty pie hole, blasphemer! :)

...and let me know if you have any leads on what kind of coffin.

[subcomandante]

Hi I'm newie here and this post is amazing! Your collection is to envy! why don't u post a couple more pictures of your locke's stuff collection?
And I would like to ask you a tip: where can I find locke's sheath?

[sgtdraino]

Hi I'm newie here

Welcome to the forums! I'm honored to have your first post in my thread!

and this post is amazing! Your collection is to envy!

Thanks! Your envy tastes like delicious chocolate chip cookies to me!

why don't u post a couple more pictures of your locke's stuff collection?

I will try to organize a couple more impressive group shots, with everything together. I've also mused over the idea of a video.

And I would like to ask you a tip: where can I find locke's sheath?

I doubt you will "find" it. If you want one, you will have to do what I did: Have a professional make one for you. I had mine made by Payne's Leather in Delaware. If you want them to do something for you, PM me and I'll give you their phone number.

[subcomandante]

Well they are... how would I say, dude? a bit out of range from rome, italy, where i actualy live, but i got the point an that's the important part. Maybe you could send me a couple of detailed fotos of your so i can show it to a friend here in italy who does those things, and ask him to do it same as yours!
About he rest: I actually visited only this 3d and subscribed only because of it... so you can feel a little prouder i guess! ;-)

[Tater]

So... Sarge... where's the pic of my Locke 119? :D

[sgtdraino]

So... Sarge... where's the pic of my Locke 119? :D

Ah-ha!!! That'd be post 22, brah:

http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showpost.php?p=88728&postcount=22

A version of your knife was given by Locke to Sayid in Season 1, which he promptly used to stab Sawyer.

[Tater]

Yep! That's definitely a 119! I've got the black n silver handle... which I like just fine but that wood n gold handle looks super sweet!! :D

[sgtdraino]

Well, at some point Locke's Lost Luggage became just a little bit more famous, via lostpedia:

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Knives

This thread is now linked at the bottom, and the first two pictures (of the case lid, and of the Spyderco Harpy) are ones that I created. Not just capped, but actually created.

I didn't realize that lostpedia was using the pictures I created, but hey, I'm all for more exposure! :)

Too bad they still got a few details wrong, like saying that Locke left Boone a Kabar in "Hearts and Minds," when actually he left him an extra Master Bowie. ;)

[LockeFan815]

Well, Lostpedia is run by fans for fans (though TPTB have admitted using Lostpedia from time to time to fact check things). All you need to do is register there and you can fix whatever you need. :D Or let me know, I'm a mod-to-be at LP on the boards, and can have someone fix it for you if you want. :)

Great thread, btw, what a labor of love. It was quite the enjoyable read today.

[Tater]

Great thread, btw, what a labor of love. It was quite the enjoyable read today.

I can audibly hear his ego growing lol

[Mr Mo]

This is truly a great thread. I remember it was one of the first ones i read before joining, and i thought, "Wow! I thought my friend Mike was borderline-creepy obsessed with Locke! This guy is totally over the rainbow about the guy!" That's really a true story, but in all seriousness, congrats Sarge on the well-earned recognition.

[sgtdraino]

Well, Lostpedia is run by fans for fans (though TPTB have admitted using Lostpedia from time to time to fact check things). All you need to do is register there and you can fix whatever you need. :D

Actually, I did try to do that at one time, regarding the article on Keamy's Wet Team. But I don't really know my way around the ins and outs of editing there, so the process was kinda confusing to me.

Or let me know, I'm a mod-to-be at LP on the boards, and can have someone fix it for you if you want. :)

Sweet. You could start with the Boone thing mentioned above, if you like. I'll let you know when I spot some more!

Great thread, btw, what a labor of love. It was quite the enjoyable read today.

Thanks! Glad you liked it.

I can audibly hear his ego growing lol

Punke. :)

[LockeFan815]

Actually, I did try to do that at one time, regarding the article on Keamy's Wet Team. But I don't really know my way around the ins and outs of editing there, so the process was kinda confusing to me.

Let me know if you want any help. :)


Sweet. You could start with the Boone thing mentioned above, if you like. I'll let you know when I spot some more!

Done and done. :D

[sgtdraino]

Cool new information added to the post on the Kabar!

http://losttv-forum.com/forum/showpost.php?p=88711&postcount=5

[Tater]

Congrats. It only took you 4 years to figure out there was paint on the knife. Bravo. :clap:

[clayseason1]

Cool new information added to the post on the Kabar!

http://losttv-forum.com/forum/showpost.php?p=88711&postcount=5

Don't you love it when you can lay those things that bug you to rest?

As always -- awesome thread, draino!

[sgtdraino]

Congrats. It only took you 4 years to figure out there was paint on the knife. Bravo. :clap:

Still quicker than you, bucko. ;)

Don't you love it when you can lay those things that bug you to rest?

As always -- awesome thread, draino!

Thanks! Of note, this forum, this thread, and yours truly will be featured in an upcoming "Keys to Lost" podcast, hosted by Matt Murdick. It will be his 2-part episode featuring an in-depth analysis of Locke's character. Check it out! You guys can hear me drone on endlessly about my hoard of Locke weaponry!

[sgtdraino]

Hey guys, we finally have something new to add to the Luggage! And I can really use some help, because I have not been able to identify it yet!

The object in question is the knife that Locke gave Ben to stab Jacob with. I had originally believed that this was the SOG Tigershark, but I was wrong. High-rez images from lost-media have finally given us a better look at this knife:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v450/sgtdraino/Locke%20Knives/BenKnife.jpg

The knife appears to have a wooden handle held on with a series of pins or rivets, and a flat oval-shaped brass guard. Also take note of the rounded depression on the back of the blade just forward of the guard, that looks like it's designed for you to rest your thumb on it.

As a little incentive, I have decided to have a... (duh-duh-DUUUUH!) CONTEST! Yes, that's right, a contest! The first person to identify the make and model of the knife Ben used to stab Jacob, will win this Jaguar knife:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v450/sgtdraino/Locke%20Knives/Jaguar.jpg

A knife that is very similar to the knife we saw Locke use in "The Moth," when talking to Charlie about the moth in the cocoon, and how struggle was necessary for survival:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v450/sgtdraino/Locke%20Knives/LockesFury2.jpg

This contest is open to anyone 18 years of age or older. Due to the unpredictability of international law, I can only ship the knife within the United States.

Good luck, and thanks in advance for your efforts!

[Tater]

Is identifying the kind of paint on the blade a part of the contest?

Still quicker than you, bucko. ;)

Which would imply I put 4 years of thought into it, like you did.

I didn't.

:nanabobo:

[sgtdraino]

Is identifying the kind of paint on the blade a part of the contest?

To the best of my knowledge, there is no paint on the blade. And no, to win the contest you must correctly identify the make and model of the knife Ben used to stab Jacob.

Which would imply I put 4 years of thought into it, like you did.

I didn't.

Nor did I. I researched it when I originally posted it, and then four years later after my interview, I took a look at it again.

:nanabobo: yourself.

[Tater]

:ouch:

That is all.