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LOST Hiatus Rewatch: Season: 4 Episode: 7 "Ji Yeon"
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AChristianShephard
11-13-08, 11:15 PM
Watched this last night but can't remember much about it.
A lot of it is based around setting you up for the twist at the end so a re-watch is a completely different experience.
I'll say to begin, there's no way that Sun looks like she knows Jin is alive and well and putting on an act, (when she is at his grave), he may well be, but as far as she is concerned, he's a goner. (I'm guessing Locke hasn't contacted her yet).
I also have no idea whatsoever as to why Hurley said 'good' when Sun replied no to his question of there being anyone else attending.
Interesting to see Mike peering over the side of the Freighter when that woman jumps in the sea, before his (spoiled) reveal.
I also feel the build-up to meeting the Captain is completely botched, why is he built up as the baddie? Forgot he framed Ben for the decoy plane.
Actually it's coming back to me now, quite a lot went on, as is the way of Season 4.
I'll be back.
Over to you ladies.
I watched it yesterday afternoon, Shep, but I fell asleep ! It was a very hot day, about 95 degrees (or 32 C, depending where you are !)
And yes, it was confusing, specially with the ffs or fbs or wherever the hell they were ! So I will try again this arvo ! At least its cooler today. I think that Sun genuinely thinks that Jin is dead - or she is an extremely good liar.
See you later.
OK, now lets see if I understood it ! I'll leave the flashes 'til later.
Sun wakes Jin to tell him that Jack and Kate have returned to the beach, and Kate wastes no time in telling them that she was on her way back from Locke's camp, and Charlotte knocked her out, and Jack found her. Sun asks why and Kate replies that it was because she wouldn't have to explain why she was on her way to a poison gas factory. Juliet had told Jack that it was a power station. Sun asks why she would lie about it. Kate says "force of habit". She then says they were going to de-activate the poison gas. "I guess they wanted to earn some brownie points".
Sun asks if the freighties are really there to rescue them. Kate says they've never discussed it. Later Sun asks Daniel the same thing, and he stutters and stammers a bit before admitting that rescuing was not their prime objective. How many times do these people have to be told that the freighter was not sent for them. Charlie was right.
BBL.
I know that this incident happened in the previous episode, but when Charlotte and Daniel go to the Tempest to render the poison gas useless, Juliet is following them, thinking that they are going to release it and kill everyone, hence the Hazmat suits. But it turns out that they are all after the same outcome. Juliet fears that Ben, who has used it before, will do it again to stop the freighties from getting to him. Just another hint that maybe they should discuss things with each other. I think I remember Jack showing complete disinterest in the Tempest situation. He really has tunnel vision where that freighter is concerned.
AChristianShephard
11-18-08, 08:19 PM
It's maybe odd that i thought the original purge was done through poison gas grenades?
Was the delivery mechanism of the purge considered a mystery then?
Hey, Shep, I was guessing that they somehow harvested the poison gas from the Tempest into portable cannisters. And that Ben was all set to do it again, but Charlotte and Daniel and Jules managed to disable it.
AChristianShephard
11-18-08, 11:02 PM
Ah the voice of wisdom.
Been a slow one eh.
Its all about to kick off!
7down, 7 to go, then BOOOM!
We've always had an issue with all of their secrets. I think the general consensus was that it's only as one hour show and some things just have to be left to our imagination or something similar. Lol.
AChristianShephard
11-19-08, 01:03 AM
Very true Zia, and I somehow expect we will still be saying the same thing after Season 5 has finished lol.
Randy Nations
11-19-08, 01:38 AM
It's maybe odd that i thought the original purge was done through poison gas grenades?
Was the delivery mechanism of the purge considered a mystery then?
Trying to recall that episode, I remember that Ben had a canister or grenade-type thing he used to kill daddy in the car.
But, when the Others saunter into the Dharma village, after the purge, we only see dead bodies lying around. I don't recall seeing cannisters. I think my sense was that Ben needed a faster means to kill daddy in the car, but the rest were killed as the poison was released into the air. At least, that's me recollection.
We've always had an issue with all of their secrets. I think the general consensus was that it's only as one hour show and some things just have to be left to our imagination or something similar. Lol.
Well, they certainly opened a Pandora's Box then, didn't they ! :D With our combined imagination running amok anything could happen :nanabobo:
Poor Regina, that was almost Monty Pythonesque ! She wraps herself in chains and, trance-like, carefully throws herself over the edge of the boat - and nobody takes the slightest bit of notice. That book, "Survivors of the Chancellor" by Jules Verne, well apparently it was pretty depressing and if she was reading it upside down maybe it made it worse !
Then there was the note shoved under Sayid and Desmond's door "Don't trust the Captain" - Michael ? As it turns out they are taken to Captain Gault, who shows them the Black Box from F815 which he claims was obtained by Charles Widmore (here we go again). The wreckage was found at the bottom of the ocean and contained 324 dead bodies. He says that it was staged and its scary to think that somebody had the power and the money to do such a thing. This is why they are after Ben Linus. So do we believe the Captain or is it all a load of bs ?
AChristianShephard
11-20-08, 01:34 AM
Hmnnn...it appears that the shock of seeing Ben turning a donkey wheel to make the island disappear has left us distracted and that many questions were sidelined whilst we adjusted to our new Sci-Fi show.
Great deflection TPTB but your dealing with professionals here, we will get to the bottom of this. :gossip:
Good point, Shep ! And then to totally confuse us they bring in the damn FFs ! Now come on Lads, thats just not cricket !
So I wonder who got the first panda that went off in the taxi that someone else grabbed when Jin dropped his 'phone ? :D
When Sun decided that she was going off to New Otherton with Locke's group, Kate was all for it and said that she would give them a head start before she told Jack. But Juliet was totally against it because she said that Sun would die if she stayed on the island while she was pregnant. Telling Jin that Sun had had an affair was like a last resort, and I really didn't like her for that, but because it made them confront their issues, Jin realized that he put work first (well, F.I.L. was his Boss !) and didn't give Sun enough attention. So this actually brought them closer together, so they reconsidered and decided to go home, and get away from the island. But all this had mixed results. Sun has her child safely, but she has lost Jin (?) - maybe. Should they have stayed behind or left ? Just another little puzzle for us to unravel.
When Hurley went to visit Sun and she said she was glad that no-one else had come he said "good". Was this maybe because he blamed Jack for not going back to try and get Jin before the freighter blew up ? The visit to Jin's grave was sad. Was that really him when she was in labor? Why not ? Kate has had a visit from Claire. Hurley has heard from Charlie. Jack has seen Locke and Ben. From now on I am prepared to believe anything, within reason - well maybe not even that !
AChristianShephard
11-20-08, 06:07 PM
Interesting Ozzy, maybe Jin was there in spirit after all, though i personally am really really hoping the son of a fisherman is still alive, he's such a great character and i'd like him to suddenly grow to prominence and kill Jack for leaving him and putting the island in danger.
Did I just say that out loud?
Interesting Ozzy, maybe Jin was there in spirit after all, though i personally am really really hoping the son of a fisherman is still alive, he's such a great character and i'd like him to suddenly grow to prominence and kill Jack for leaving him and putting the island in danger.
Did I just say that out loud?
You betcha ! And I heartily agree :nanabobo:
I have another bizarre theory - the Losties that stayed behind actually are dead - but still alive. :confused: Claire has been assumed dead anyway, so why not Sawyer - he was in the thick of that gunfight at the Otherton Corral. Locke seems to travel around in a coffin. And so on.
"Welcome to the Hotel Craphole Island.
You can check out any time you like, but you can never leave". :D
Lol. So, they're zombies?
Lol. So, they're zombies?
Or something ! :Cheers:
But zombies are yukkie and decomposing, and we can't have that for Sawyer, can we :D
I think that guy at the hospital just looked like Jin.
They seem to like to go on facts around here, but I have
a feeling Jin is alive.
Shep, "Forgot he framed Ben for the decoy plane."
I guess I missed it but are you saying the Captain said
Ben set up that underwater plane that was on TV?
If he didn't, I wish I knew who did. I always thought
it was Widmore, but who knows?
Sun's revenge is looking a little out of character for
her. She always had a bit of a devious streak and
we never knew if she killed Colleen intentionally or
accidentally. That's what makes me think she believes
Jin is dead. Prior to this, I wouldn't have taken her
for being capable of a whole revenge campaign. Finding
and pay back for her husband's death would seemingly
take her to the edge.
Why would Hurley not want to see Kate and Sayid?
Is it as simple as they sided with Jack?
AChristianShephard
11-23-08, 03:19 PM
Hi Annie :)
Yeah the Captain specifically said it was Ben who planted the decoy plane in the trench in the scene where he revealed the black box to Sayid and Desmond.
(Hope i'm still on the right episode).
Where as Ben blames Widmore.
Silly rich men and their games.
Good point about Sun being out of character from now on, i'd assume it's because Locke has gotten to her (and possibly explained how she could save Jin).
Hi guys, Annie and Shep. This all gets curiouser and curiouser ! When Gault shows Sayid and Desmond the F815 black box he says :
A salvage vessel recovered it from the bottom of the ocean. It took a considerable amount of Mr. Widmore's resources to procure it. It was found with the wreckage of the 'plane along with 324 dead passengers.
Where does one come across 324 dead bodies ? And that is just one of the reasons we want Benjamin Linus.
This statement is quite ambiguous. I always thought that Widmore had planted the 'plane. But now Gault is saying that Ben organized the bodies, so unless Widmore and Ben are working in cahoots, someone is lying. Well the note did say not to trust the Captain. The Captain is apparently working for Widmore so did Widmore tell him a lie about Ben procuring the bodies just to make sure that he would follow his instructions. If he had just told Gault that he wanted Ben because Ben was interfering with his plans to keep the island for himself, maybe Gault would have been less inclined to follow his instructions. Or something ......
Gault was lied to (secure Ben), Frank was lied to (transport science team), Miles was lied to (remember him saying I never signed up for this), so who knows who else was lied to. Abaddon was probably lied to as well. Gault and Frank realized they were duped as their mission proceeded. So did Miles. That is my story and I am sticking to it. :D
AChristianShephard
11-23-08, 11:51 PM
Why was Gault lied to about securing Ben? Was that not his mission? Or you mean the fact that they wanted to kill everyone and torch the island? lol confused.
I too thought it had been shown that Widmore had planted that plane but i think Ben has manipulated us as well as the cast and it's actually up in the air (or not, groan).
Why would Widmore go get the black box anyways? Surely he knew it was fake, Dews boyfriend had even told him so, at least thats what he told Mike. Unless he was using a fake black box as a bargaining tool, ya know, deflection.
How on earth can a show be this complex? Flabbergasted.
I'm going along with your story, Dew ! It makes more sense than anything else at the moment !
Silly rich men and their games.
Couldn't agree more, Shep !
It seemed to me ACS that as the season progressed that Gault realized he was duped after watching Keamy just order or ignore himn. Gault knew about how to go about the secondary protocol but that was a lie too. Keamy knew what it really was. Gault, to me, had a WTF look on his face when Keamy started demanding his key.
Widmore and Linus are both manipulators and lie every time their lips move. They always say it is the truth they speak however, imnsho, it is always about 20 shades of gray away from the truth. I wouldn't be surprised if the black box was a fake also. My bf, oh I wish :swoon:, sure is a conspiracy theorist. He at least doesn't take everything said or shown as the absolute truth. He always doubts to some extent. He never completed his personal mission in going to the island either. :D
Just a thought, but if Widmore had the original black box from F815 how did he actually get it ? F815 cockpit was on the island, which is where I would imagine the black box would be. Jack, Kate and Charlie were at the cockpit and were with the pilot before the monster whisked him away. Would Ben's people have had time to get to the cockpit and retrieve the black box in order to position it in the fake 815 off the Sunda Trench ? Well no, it was too deep. Or maybe Ben sold it direct to Widmore, which is why Ben has so much cash lying around in his house. We know that Ben has no trouble getting on or off the island - well not until Locke blew up his sub !
Dew, I certainly agree about Frank and Gault being duped. The innocent bystanders being dragged into this web of intrigue. I always think of Frank and Sawyer as being like minds. They are both intelligent and inquisitive and refuse to take everything at face value. Unlike their fearless leader. They work things out logically. But then what the hell do I know !
AChristianShephard
11-24-08, 03:09 AM
Ah i see what you mean now Dew, yes the captain was duped wasn't he, i had forgotton about whats yet to come in the re-run.
Now, i'd always assumed that black box was a fake one from the plane in the trench, and that was how Widmore def knew Frank was correct about it being the fake crashsite, but now Ozzy has pointed out it might be the real one, well that certainly throws some spanners in the works doesnt it.
So your saying that Widmore found the island by tracking the flight of 815 from the back box Ozzy?
Which would mean that Widmore must of had some kind of agent on the island. er.....no, no, that cant be it.
Can it?
Dammit, ima have to watch that bit again now :banghead::clap:
Actually I think I have just foiled my own theory ! If the original 815 black box had been planted in the Sunda Trench 815, it would have the wrong directions on it, seeing as our 815 was found in the Pacific and the Sunda Trench was located in the Indian Ocean !
Sometimes I really wish I'd keep my mouth shut !
Ah ha ! Ben actually retrieved the original black box from the real F815, and the black box in the fake 'plane was also fake. Ben sold the original one to Widmore. And I still think that Widmore orchestrated the fake crash, to take the heat off "his" island. These two are in cahoots up to a point, but there is no honor amongst thieves. Come to think of it I'm going to have to re-visit Ben's nocturnal visit to Widmore in his bedroom !
Just a thought, but if Widmore had the original black box from F815 how did he actually get it ?
It would have been on the Island in the wreckage, so I don't think he found the real black box. It was all a ruse to get everyone completely off of his trail.
I'm getting back to Sun. Would seeing her husband die
drive her so far from her original characterization?
It is the key, IMO, to her believing Jin is dead.
After I saw the scene at the grave, it seemed to be
pointing to her thinking Jin was alive. Quite a few posters analyzed it and thought some type of deal had been struck. The deal being, Sun would be able to communicate with Jin through what appeared to be a
camera lens on his headstone.
Sun's actions that followed led me to believe she is
seeking revenge for his death at all costs. Her quest for revenge
has changed my thinking and I see her as being
convinced Jin is dead.
I enjoy Sun's character and I don't see this as going well for her at all.
It appears that perhaps she will cross the line morally and then discover
Jin is alive.
GardenMom
11-24-08, 05:57 AM
Here is a little information that may through a monkey wrench into the speculation going on about the black box. First, there are two "black boxes" on commercial airliners. Neither of them is actually black. They are bright orange, which makes them easier to find in the wreckage.
One of them is called a Flight Data Recorder. It keeps track of various info like altitude, airspeed, fuel use, etc. and can provide details on the last 100 pieces of flight info just prior to the crash.
The second box is the Cockpit Voice Recorder. It records all the conversations and other noises going on in the cockpit. The most they will have on record is the 2 hours prior to the crash.
Neither box is located in the front of the plane. They are both located in the tail section. This is because the tail is likely to sustain the least damage in a crash and the boxes have better odds of being recovered.
Lastly, the black boxes also contain an Underwater Locator Beacon. When water comes in contact with this device, it sets off a sonar ping which will emit a signal for up to 30 days underwater. This device will be detectable to a depth of 14,000 ft. below water.
So in the real world, it would be the tail section of Flight 815 that could conceivably be tracked, even though it is underwater. And if the tail section is located, the boxes can be recovered. In this screencap of Gault showing Sayid the box, you can see the box is orangish colored and the Underwater Locator Beacon is the whitish cylinder.
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CAPT. GAULT: Do either of you know what this is?
SAYID: It’s a flight data recorder otherwise known as a black box.
CAPT. GAULT: That's exactly what it is. Now here's the funny thing. This black box comes from Oceanic Flight 815.
According to Sayid, this is the Flight Data Recorder, which would show all the final manuevers the aircraft made, but not the conversations between the pilots.
It would have been on the Island in the wreckage, so I don't think he found the real black box. It was all a ruse to get everyone completely off of his trail.
He really wants that damn island all to himself, doesn't he. I'm betting that one of the reasons he wants it is is because he has some kind of incurable disease and thinks that the island can cure him, and give him eternal life. :)
GardenMom - the black (orange) boxes being located in the tail section would explain the others arriving at the beach where the tailies were.
Thanks for the information, by the way. That does put a whole new slant on everything !
I'll now have to go and have another look at "The Other 48 Days".
GardenMom
11-24-08, 06:33 AM
In the underwater Looking Glass station, they had communications equipment which had been switched off on Ben's orders. So underwater signals coming from the Looking Glass were not able to reach anyone. Meanwhile, on the other side of the island, the unjammed signal from the underwater tail wreckage was being sent out for 30 days after the crash. That could have been just the thing that allowed Widmore to find the island. Realizing what he has found, he comes up with a plan to plant the fake 815 in order to divert the world's attention for a continuing search on the real 815. The fake 815's black box had to be removed because it could provide proof that this was not the real 815. (I would think it would have been easiest to simply remove the box before they dropped the plane into the Sundra trench, but Gault talks about recovering it.)
Naomi's "What if there are survivors?" line to Abaddon leads me to believe that the tail section had been located through its beacon. What else would make Naomi suspect that the island she is being sent to is the site of 815's crash, or that there might be crash survivors?
AChristianShephard
11-24-08, 06:49 AM
Some great info there GardenMom :)
Wasn't all communication being blocked from the island? That would mean the underwater beacon from the real 815 too.
And if the Fake 815 was deeper than 14,000 deep that would explain why it wasnt suspicious that no signal was discovered.
I guess the question on wether the fake black box was recovered by Widmore rests purely on who put the plane in the trench in the first place.
I still think Widmore knew where the island was from either a. - the black rocks log or b. - Penny's people intercepting that magnetic anomaly at the end of S2.
GardenMom
11-24-08, 07:00 AM
I can understand a jamming signal from the Dharma Looking Glass being able to jam a signal from the Dharma Radio Tower, but how could it jam a sonar ping being emitted from the tail section? Is that possible?
GardenMom - I don't have a great deal of knowledge about sonar pings, (probably none !) But logic would seem to lead to the fact that this rather old fashioned Dharma technology would be unlikely to affect sonar technology.
With regard to the fake 815, it would also seem unlikely that it would contain a black box when Widmore sank it. (assuming that he did !) Why offer information even if it was false. So Gault said that it had been recovered, but what evidence does he have that it was recovered from the Sunda Trench plane. He wasn't anywhere near the Sunda Trench plane if he went to the island straight from Fiji when they picked up Michael. And it seems that Gault was pretty well being manipulated - by Widmore ? - and was either lying through his teeth or had no idea what he was talking about.
How about when Penny's guys in the Antarctic listening station picked up the signal when the EM shield was down, Charles Widmore picked up on that signal also, thus discovering where the island was. I'm quite sure Widmore would be keeping tabs on his daughter. Good point, Shep. Just a thought.
You know what we need ? Someone who has a far better organized mind than mine (not looking at anyone in particular GM !) to try and organize all our facts, lies and all, into chronological order until we get somewhere that makes a bit of sense !
Randy Nations
11-25-08, 01:54 AM
I'm getting back to Sun. Would seeing her husband die
drive her so far from her original characterization?
It is the key, IMO, to her believing Jin is dead.
After I saw the scene at the grave, it seemed to be
pointing to her thinking Jin was alive. Quite a few posters analyzed it and thought some type of deal had been struck. The deal being, Sun would be able to communicate with Jin through what appeared to be a
camera lens on his headstone.
Sun's actions that followed led me to believe she is
seeking revenge for his death at all costs. Her quest for revenge
has changed my thinking and I see her as being
convinced Jin is dead.
I enjoy Sun's character and I don't see this as going well for her at all.
It appears that perhaps she will cross the line morally and then discover
Jin is alive.
I agree with you. I never got that feeling that some deal or whatever had been struck. I also think that Sun's actions seem to indicate she either believes Jin is dead, or is unable to know for sure, because she has lied about everything and cannot get back to the island. What's worse? Believing your loved one is dead, or not really knowing for sure?
Either way, I do not think she is communicating with him through a hidden camera or whatever.
I can understand a jamming signal from the Dharma Looking Glass being able to jam a signal from the Dharma Radio Tower, but how could it jam a sonar ping being emitted from the tail section? Is that possible?
Where's Badger when you need him? Lol.
Well let me think a second. It would seem that if the island is cloaked and no one can see it and the Looking Glass can block radio transmission like Rousseau's, or did it, anyway my point is if the island cannot be seen nor heard why would the plane's pings make any difference. Do folks think that is how Widmore found the island so that the Kahana knew where to go? Penny found out from Des' phone call yet daddy seemed to know before her? I am getting all :confused: See if Widmore could hear the pings then why not the outside world? Why didn't the government or anyone else hear the 2 box's pings???? If they could be heard they could have been rescued by almost anyone monitoring the 2 boxes. Geez NASA can still talk to a rover on Mars 5 years later so why can't the world hear the pings unless they were blocked or cloaked.
I am rambling. Time to push away from the keyboard Dew, just push away. :crazy:
As far as Sun is concerned I think that she believes that Jin is dead, but she is not positive. When she thought she saw him in the hospital it was probably due to the heavy medication she had been given, but it could also have been a similar situation to Kate seeing Claire. But if he is in fact dead she wants revenge. She blames Jack, for not going back for Jin before the freighter exploded. She blames Widmore, and lets not forget that her own father has connections with Widmore.
Back in "The Glass Ballerina" she broke the ornament and blamed the maid. Mr. Paik realized she was probably lying but sacked the maid anyway. So from then on Sun has quite happily lied to get her own way, thinking that thats OK.
I don't think she is communicating with Jin, although its possible. So she will go back to put her mind at rest and find out for sure. But it will be because of Hurley, not Jack. I think !
Btw, just because I'm a stubborn SOB, I'm sticking to my guns about Widmore finding Penelope's message from the Antarctic listening station, thus he does know how to find the island. *Ducks head and waits* !
AChristianShephard
11-25-08, 03:48 PM
I am rambling. Time to push away from the keyboard Dew, just push away. :crazy:
Ahahahahaha funny :)
Can someone remind me of how we know Paik has links to Widmore?
Unless it in the remainder of this season, if so, dont bother, ill look foward to discovering myself :nanabobo:
Im sticking by my guns and saying Widmore found the island from the Black rocks journal.
I bet you a shrimp and a pack of genuine fish and chips Ozzy :flex:
Can someone remind me of how we know Paik has links to Widmore?
Shep, wait for the remainder of the season. I'm sure there's something earlier, but I can't find it as yet .....
Im sticking by my guns and saying Widmore found the island from the Black rocks journal.
Well I agree with that too ! But I still think that Widmore would have had Penny under "covert surveillance" (always wanted to use that phrase !) Just hedging my bets and keeping my options open - I would sell my soul for a pack of genuine fish and chips. :)
Dew, fancy a game of ping pong ... ?
AChristianShephard
11-25-08, 09:53 PM
Ah true Ozzy, must of been a combo of both things.
I just wanted to tease you with fish n chips lol
I need to find my own phrase as satisfying as "covert surveillance" now haha
Nothing will ever match up to the fish 'n chips when we were kids. Lots of salt and vinegar, crispy golden batter, wrapped in newspaper ! Better than - well, anything !
Now I want bubble and squeak. :whistling2:
Bubble and squeak :omg::rotfl:
I am starting to become out of control here - going through the pantry like a maniac trying to find something vaguely resembling fish 'n chips and bubble and squeak :confused:
This (http://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/danny-boome/bubble-and-squeak-with-corn-puree-recipe/index.html) is what made me think of bubble and squeak.
/end threadjack
I just wanted to tease you with fish n chips lol
Nothing will ever match up to the fish 'n chips when we were kids. Lots of salt and vinegar, crispy golden batter, wrapped in newspaper ! Better than - well, anything !
Dammit. I would love fish & chips right now. I'm starving. :)
AChristianShephard
11-26-08, 11:48 PM
BUBBLE & SQUEAK :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:
Oh my, I literally havnt had that for about 10years.
Dagnammit, right that's it, i'm inviting you all to mine for traditional English food tomorrow round 7pm.
Don't be late ya'll hear!
Be right there, Shep ! :Cheers:
Lets see ..... fish 'n chips (in newspaper), bubble and squeak, Steak and kidney pudding, kippers, pork pie, toad in the hole (!) :D, spotted dick (!) :D etc, etc, etc !
AChristianShephard
11-27-08, 01:29 AM
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I must admit, we have some awfully named food :rotfl:
But it all tastes so gooooooooooooooooooood. http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn137/Dew2008/Smilies/eatdrink021.gif
And how could I forget Shepherd's Pie !
Cottage Pie.
I promise.
/end threadjack
Er ..... what episode are we in ? Oh yes, bbl. Its all Shep's fault. *smiles sweetly*.
AChristianShephard
11-27-08, 05:22 AM
Shepards Pie! (Cottage)
Named after moi!
Simply The Best English Food EVER!
Ahem, right, no more food talk for now, i gots work to do!
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Cornish Pasty anyone?
Cornish Pasty anyone?
Ooooh, yum ! Now stop it ....... ! Its thundering outside, and I cant tell whether its the thunder or my stomach rumbling !
Dew, fancy a game of ping pong ... ?
I'd fancy a game of ping pong right now.
ZIA
Happy Thanksgiving ! Don't eat too much !
:dinner::celebrate:popcorn::drinky:
Thanks, Oz. I didn't. I could eat more pie right now. :)
Zia - :flowers:
Better be getting ready for Christmas, now ! :celebrate
Already? I'm just happy I have four days off this week. :)
Maestra
11-29-08, 01:54 PM
<3 Sun and Jin.
Ugh, I forgot how heartbreaking this episode was. I'm such a softie. Even knowing how it ended, I hoped the whole time it would be different, and I cursed to myself whenever I saw a clue telling me it wouldn't be different (cell phone, year of the dragon, etc.). Sigh.
LOST Hiatus Rewatch:
Week 27
Weds., November 25th-December 2nd, 2009
Season 4: Episode 7
Ji Yeon
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AChristianShephard
11-25-09, 08:24 PM
Dew, fancy a game of ping pong ... ?
Ive been wait 1 whole year now...and still no invite :mad:
AChristianShephard
11-25-09, 08:33 PM
This episode in some ways sums up the enigma that is LOST. We have the duel timeline story of Sun & Yin which actually could be told in a quarter of the time taken, but in isolation its a really well told story, something LOST fans appreciate, and have the will to invest the time into, whereas non devotees may not understand the characters or the payoffs provided so get nothing but slow exposition with no real movement forward.
In that way LOST is unique, and I think thats why were all worried about its ending, cause there is nothing else to fill that void.
Ive always liked this couples centrics and was enjoying the experience more than paying attention to specifics so cant comment further.
Next.
World Walker
11-26-09, 01:16 AM
This is the one and only (that we know of) episode that uses both a flash-forward and a flashback. Though many people felt this technique was kind of a dirty trick to amp the shock value of Jin’s apparent death, I believe the episode nicely portrayed how tragically separated Jin and Sun will become through time and space. Indeed, the flash-forward and flashback in this episode nicely symbolizes and foreshadows how Sun will live in 2007 and Jin will live in 1977 during Season Five. We have yet to see the couple reunite, but I suspect that will be one heck of a tearjerker.
We begin with a lovely nighttime view of the freighter and, no doubt to Dew’s delight, we also get a lovely view of Frank. :D
Keamy asks Frank if he is ready (to fly) and warns him not to be late. This means that the grunt team is soon going to make their way to the Island to capture Ben. My guess is that they were holding back as long as they did so the science team could shut down The Tempest and neutralize the gas. There’s no coincidence that they’re heading in so soon after the last episode.
Just what the heck was going on with the crew on the freighter? We have Regina acting nuts and reading a book upside down. Then we have bloodstains on the walls and people banging on the pipes. Frank says there was a problem in the kitchen. Later, Regina wraps herself in chains and jumps off the freighter. Why were these people going completely nuts? The captain claims it’s some kind of “cabin fever” and might have something to do with their close proximity to the Island. These crew members didn’t seem to be experiencing the same time displacement Desmond and Minkowski went through, but something made some of these people completely nuts—others (such as Michael) it didn’t even affect. Did the Island find itself threatened by the people on the freighter and retaliate by making certain members of the crew go crazy? This one’s always got me scratching my head. :ImLost:
Jin insisting Sun’s baby is a girl mirrors young Rousseau insisting to Robert that her baby is a girl.
Oh god, Sun had Expose on the TV! :faintthud
Why did TPTB make Captain Gault seem like such a bad guy? First we have Frank strongly suggest they don’t want to talk to the captain. Then we see Michael’s note which tells them not to trust the captain. When Desmond and Sayid finally meet him, Gault seems pretty upfront with them and immediately tells them who sent the freighter and gives them information about the fake plane wreckage. Later, he gets upset at Keamy forcing him to open the safe which contained the secondary protocol and he didn’t seem onboard with “burning the Island”. Then Gault attempts to stop Keamy and gets shot for his trouble. From what I can tell, Gault was one of the few decent people on this freighter. :confused:
Anyone else feel really bad for Daniel? At this point, nobody’s fooled by the science team. The Losties are well aware the freighter folk have some hidden agenda and chances are they may not get rescued. Yet to have to tell people rescuing them is not your “call” must be really hard to bear.
Jin’s tantrum when the rude guy got away in the cab with his panda was pretty entertaining. His over-the-top temper and equally excessive threats serve to remind us just how much his character has grown since spending time on the Island.
Juliet really went the extreme route to keep Jin and Sun at the beach. She really violated and betrayed Sun’s trust revealing her affair to Jin. Ultimately, though, Juliet probably saved their lives by keeping them in place. Her actions also bring about the end of secrets between Jin and Sun, allowing them to start anew. Therefore, this seemingly callous betrayal was a boon in disguise.
I really liked the scene with Jin and Bernard fishing. I liked how Bernard talked about Karma, because I’m also a firm believer in Karma. And it was funny how Jin pointed at his ring and back to Bernard and Bernard chuckled and said they weren’t married to each other. :nanabobo:
We get to see Michael in a gray hoodie during the scene when Regina jumps overboard in her vest o’ chains.
Captain Gault made it seem like Ben was responsible for the fake wreckage of Oceanic 815 at the bottom of the ocean. Either Gault was purposely misinformed by Widmore or he’s lying to throw suspicion onto Ben. As far as we know, it was Widmore who faked the plane wreckage at the bottom of the ocean. He even admits to it in The Variable to an addled Faraday.
This episode answers an intriguing question. Can a baby who was conceived on the Island be born off the Island? The answer apparently is yes. Which should make us wonder…if the death sentence hanging over pregnant women on the Island could’ve been averted by a simple trip to the mainland, why was Ben so adamant to keep his people on the Island? Was he that obsessed about finding a local cure that he would let these women die needlessly? :hmm:
Ray: “I think you’ll like your room; it’s on the quiet part of the ship.”
Desmond: “This ship isn’t moving.”
Ray: “Well, if you say so.” – Hmmm, does he know more than we know? Perhaps the doctor meant nothing by this odd statement, but if he said it intentionally because he knows a secret, I don’t quite know what to make of it.
Too bad they kept listing Harold Perrineau in the main credits all season. The Michael reveal would have been such a neat surprise if not for the very blatant spoiler that he was back on the show. Pretty much everybody guessed Ben’s spy would be him. Ah well, it was still exciting to see him back because I was pretty curious to find out what happened to him and Walt when they left the Island.
The contrast between Season One Jin and Season Four Jin is very stark in the scene when Jin brings Sun dinner. After Jin found out Sun knew English (In Translation), he didn’t want anything to do with her, and it took a long time before he forgave her. This time, he quickly forgives her for a much larger betrayal, and he has grown mature enough to recognize many of his problems with Sun were his own fault. He wants to start over and this Island has given him the chance to do that. From a relationship standpoint, this is really quite beautiful. I always get a bit misty when Jin asks Sun in English if the baby is his and when he tells her, “And you will never lose me.” Very good scene! :thumbs_up
Hurley looked extremely dashing in that suit. This probably took place sometime before his incarceration at Santa Rosa. He asks Sun if anyone else is coming and when she says no, he seems pleased. Why is that, exactly? Do we have any reason to believe Hurley wanted to avoid certain members of the Oceanic Six?
That was such a shock to see “Jin’s” gravestone at the end of the episode. I remember feeling sick to my stomach at the prospect of losing his character. I’m very glad they didn’t kill him off, although I hope he gets a lot more material in Season Six than he did in Season Five.
Although not one of the more action-oriented episodes, I’ve always enjoyed this one especially because of Jin’s amazing capacity for forgiveness and the love he feels for his wife and the joy he felt when he learned the baby was his. This is some good stuff and it resolved all the hanging threads in their story from earlier seasons. :Cheers:
[FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]We begin with a lovely nighttime view of the freighter and, no doubt to Dew’s delight, we also get a lovely view of Frank. :D
Yes, yes, yes! :naughty:
AChristianShephard
11-26-09, 01:51 AM
Shame its the only time he's in it.
Dont you like Daniel Dew?
I like Daniel. I adore Frank. :wub:
I can understand a jamming signal from the Dharma Looking Glass being able to jam a signal from the Dharma Radio Tower, but how could it jam a sonar ping being emitted from the tail section? Is that possible?
Where's Badger when you need him? Lol.
I happen to be here...virtually speaking anyway. :D But I wish I were there. Wherever there is.
Which reminds me of the time I thought I had died and gone to Hell. Then I realized I was here (see below), somewhere in Arizona. ;)
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Anyway...
Sonar stands for "sound navigation and ranging" and as such, Sonar "pings" are nothing more than sound waves. Out of water they often sound like nothing more than clicks. However, sound travels much further and faster in water than in air and is also louder as well. This is due to the fact water is more dense than air. When sound waves strike an object that is itself in water they bounce off of it and return. It is this echo return that gives Sonar its ability to determine the range and speed of an object. In the same way, bats can echo locate flying insects using a form of Sonar. Technically speaking, finding an object by means of the sound it makes is known as acoustic location.
Thus, if one is listening for it, for example by the use of an underwater microphone, you can hear the sound generated by the 'pingers' on both the flight data and cockpit voice recorders (by the way, great explanation, GardenMom).
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Anyway, since they can be heard their locations can be determined, just like a bat locates insects.
The only practical means of making the source of a Sonar ping unlocatable is to either disable the device that is generating the sound or likewise whatever or whomever is listening for it. Another method would be to mask the sound emitted by the pinger with a louder sound. Some active sonar systems can do that, but I digress.
Anyway, that's the simple, non techy explanation.
HAPPY THANKSGIVING EVERYONE. :Cheers: We have much to be thankful for.
Case in point: the driver of the car below felt his goat was more deserving of the back seat than his wife and child, who as you can see, are in the trunk (far right). Unfortunately, I'm not kidding. :mad:
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I've seen things here that scarred my soul. :(
OMG BADGER!!!! WTF??? It's SO GREAT to see you. Season 6 is almost upon us, my friend. W00t!!
:awwhug: :D :D
ETA: LOVE Haj, btw.
:) Sent both you and GM a PM.
Hey Badger, where are you this time ? Welcome back ! Happy Thanksgiving. :)
What's this I'm seeing about multiple universes? Could it be that parallel universes are tantamount to TWO timelines? Afterall, if there are TWO universes then it stands to reason each would have its own timeline.
Then again, I swear someone thought of that before but the idea was shouted down. Maybe the writers weren't paying attention.
:rotfl:
That's ok, my mind may not be able to cope with any more confusion. ;) I'm still trying to resolve what it was I saw in the S5 finale.
AChristianShephard
11-26-09, 08:44 PM
That's ok, my mind may not be able to cope with any more confusion. ;) I'm still trying to resolve what it was I saw in the S5 finale.
Pokes with stick (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Badger-baiting)
What's this I'm seeing about multiple universes? Could it be that parallel universes are tantamount to TWO timelines? Afterall, if there are TWO universes then it stands to reason each would have its own timeline.
Then again, I swear someone thought of that before but the idea was shouted down. Maybe the writers weren't paying attention.
:rotfl:
That's ok, my mind may not be able to cope with any more confusion. ;) I'm still trying to resolve what it was I saw in the S5 finale.
What I saw was somebody crying, and it wasn't Jack ! :sadangel::tears2:
And a bunch of people who should have known better, playing with a nuclear weapon. :Cheers:
This episode was interesting. The FF and FB was a nice change of pace. Sayid outting Michael was an example of emotion before thinking. Sayid does that quite often.
Ben sends Alex, Karl and Danielle to the Temple to keep Alex safe. Journey interrupted. First Karl, then Danielle are shot dead. Alex left telling the world she is Ben's daughter. Not a bright move but understandable. :)
Wrong episode. :sorry:
Panda bears. Mightly large panda bears and old cell phones. The trip to the cemetery with Sun, Ji Yeon and Hurley was tastefully done.
Let's see. Hmm...the freighter scenes were insane and confusing. I'll never forget Regina wrapped in chains and walking zombie-like to her death. Captain Gault wasn't even who we were lead to believe he was. It was a crazy wtf is going on? episode.
Really nice scene with Jin and Bernard. Jin is also one of my faves. It's so funny, I remember how everyone swore there was a camera in the headstone, somehow magically linked to a station on the Island.
AChristianShephard
12-03-09, 11:08 PM
Whats with all the 'dont trust the captain' stuff?
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