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LOST Hiatus Rewatch: Season 4: Episode 9:
"The Shape Of Things To Come"
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AChristianShephard
11-27-08, 08:54 PM
OK.
Is this where Lost starts turning into a Die Hard movie?
Not looking foward to this for some reason, maybe not in the mood, right here goes.
Jacks i'll, islands not protecting him yet needs him back? That makes no sense.
Great setup with that board game :)
That firefight is ridiculous isnt it, who in their right mind could ever think it was a good idea to have Sawyer take regfuge behind a picket fence? lol sad.
So, did Ben have Nadia killed as a way to set up Sayid?
And if this is where the turning of the Donkey wheel sent him then isnt it a bit of a co-incidence that it was when Sayid was burying his wife?
I'm feeling a bit cynical all of a sudden lol
Ohh prime time execution, lovely.
Haha Jacks so stoopid, its took him all this time to realise the frieghter might not be there for him, and he still had to ask Dan, chump.
That scene where Ben visits Widmore at the end is possibly the single greatest scene of the whole show so far, electric, and endlessly fascinating.
'Dont look at me with those ugly looking eyes of yours'
'I know who you are boy'
Oh my.
So the first thing we see is Jack clutching his stomach in obvious discomfort, so he goes to his tent to his own stash to get some antibiotics. Kate trots happily into his tent and starts flirting, even though he is obviously feeling sick. She is not a good flirter and he is not a good flirtee. The whole things is slightly embarrassing. She is worried about Sayid and Des. Jack says his gut tells him they will be getting off the island - Kate says she thought his gut was sick, still giggling flirtatiously. Who the hell wrote this crap ?
Meanwhile Bernard and Vincent alert the camp to the fact that a dead body with his throat cut has washed up on the beach. It is the doctor from the freighter who's name I forgot. But he's actually still alive on the freighter, for the moment. Here we go again !
Yes, how many times does Jack have to be told the freighter isn't there for them ? Well not enough obviously.
I liked Hurley and Sawyer playing Risk. Australia is the key - yay !
The 'phone rings - Locke answers - "its for Ben" ! Hillarious !
"They're here". So Keamy and the mercenaries want Ben and they are going to get him. Ben gives Sawyer a gun which I think Sawyer thinks he is going to be shot with!
How odd is it that when Ben suggests that they go and seek shelter at a more secure house, it is Sawyer who offers to go and round up everyone else. Frenchie and the kids. Ben says he sent them to a safe place, but won't tell Sawyer where. He wants to get Claire, but Ben says there is no time, Sawyer says he will make time. Where is Locke when all this is going on. After all he and Claire were good friends.
So Keamy has captured Alex and killed Rousseau and Karl, and forces her to turn off the fence, which alerts Ben of the forthcoming attack. I just hated that Ben totally denied his daughter and refused to meet Keamy's demands to save her life. She looked so sad waiting on her knees to be executed. She was so young. Heartbreaking. Sawyer wants to kill Ben so badly.
More later !
AChristianShephard
11-30-08, 06:00 PM
I believe Ben was under the impression that in no way was his daughter ever to be harmed according to 'the rules'.
Though why in that case he felt the need to deny who she was is beyond me, must be a writing tool.
Alex really isn't his daughter, well not genetically. He kidnapped her and raised her as his own. I do not equate what Ben did with people legally adopting children. What he did was wrong and Alex paid the ultimate price, her life.
:Cheers:
Ben knew she wasn't his biological daughter but he raised her as his own - "Raised by another". She called him Dad. Basically he traded her life for his. Its very hard to see anything good about Ben at the moment. It was tragic.
What a gripping episode. I think I need to watch it again before I comment.
Have some tissues handy Zia, I'd forgotten how much Alex affected me ... :cry:
Yes, it was shocking and effective.
Miles ringing the doorbell to deliver the walkie talkie was another of those whacky little scenarios - I actually expected to hear someone saying "Avon calling !"
So Ben talks to Keamy. Keamy tells him he is employed by Charles Widmore - the ever inquisitive Sawyer wants to know who Widmore is. "Later" replies Locke. Just like he is dealing with an annoying inquisitive child !
AChristianShephard
12-01-08, 02:12 AM
But Ben didn't really trade his life for Alex's though did he, cause he and Widmore had these 'rules' to go by that somehow protected Alex, but Widmore 'broke the rules'.
So Ben was decieved/double crossed/summit.
Come on, you know how stubborn i get :soapbox::bluesbro:
But Ben didn't really trade his life for Alex's though did he, cause he and Widmore had these 'rules' to go by that somehow protected Alex, but Widmore 'broke the rules'.
So Ben was decieved/double crossed/summit.
Come on, you know how stubborn i get :soapbox::bluesbro:
Yeah, well so do I ! So yes, I have to agree with you there, Shep ! :) But it was that scene that really p----d me off ! I guess in some ways Ben had it coming, but Widmore is a wicked bastard, and the more I hear about him the more I actually think that Ben is the "good" guy ! If there is such a thing ! I've got to re-watch the last 15 minutes or so because I wasn't concentrating !
The Gunfight at the Otherton Corral was weird. Is Claire dead or alive. Is Sawyer dead or alive ? He makes a big target and the mercs can't be that bad of a shot. And the redshirts running like lemmings into the line of fire. Sawyer is obviously "Unbreakable". Suits me !
The Gunfight at the Otherton Corral
:rotfl:
AChristianShephard
12-01-08, 03:39 AM
Yeah the aim wasn't to kill sawyer but to make him angry enough to hand Ben over eh.
I think you could be onto summit Oz, with maybe Ben actually being the good guy, don't sound quite right though does it.
One thought i had is, he must actually be sponsered by someone, he has all this cash, and a rep around the world (prefered guest at the hotel), so where does that all come from, after all he was from a pennyless background, his Father being a 'worker'. All the false passports etc, who, in terms of money and resources, is running this show?
He certainly does have a lot of cash...and connections.
Shep - the trouble with making Sawyer angry is that he is so itching to kill "old bugeyes" that he is really going to make someone very angry !
I think I came up with a theory once about where Ben gets all his funds from, and I can't remember what it was - oh dear, I worry about myself sometimes. I'd better go off and have a look !
When Ben goes to Widmore's hotel room in the middle of the night Widmore says to him "everything you have you took from me". But when did he take it ? Its there on the tip of my tongue, but I can't place it ! I'll have to keep looking !
GardenMom
12-01-08, 04:56 AM
Yeah, Ben's cash flow is a bit weird. I remember I posted a screencap a while back that showed a red-haired girl standing in front of the bookcase in the Dharma schoolroom from Man Behind The Curtain. (I figured it was supposed to be a young Charlotte on the island.) Anyway, on the bookshelves were a bunch of accounting/finance books - adult texts - with titles like "financial predictions for the future" and such. It is one of the things that led me to believe Ben was using his ability to travel into the future in order to make a killing on the stock markets or something.
Hi, GardenMom - Good idea ! I just had a thought that Ben's financial dealings may have come about in his future travels. He seemed to be well known as a wealthy business man, but then of course he already had that room full of money and passports etc. Dean Moriarty eh - I've been trying to do anagrams with that but without much luck ! But I'm sure its got something to do with Widmore. Widmore is an extremely greedy man - has Ben managed to somehow exploit this greed and somehow extract a large amount of money from him ? When he went to Widmore's room Widmore asked him if he'd come to kill him ? To which Ben said something to the effect of "we both know I can't do that". But Widmore has a heavy conscience, hence the bottle of Scotch beside his bed.
AChristianShephard
12-01-08, 11:20 PM
I wonder if the Island is protecting Widmore.
Widmore's bottle of Scotch is protecting him !
Who or what is Smokie ? Whatever he is he doesn't seem to want to kill the Losties - he may have scanned some of them but he's left them alone, apart from when he tried to drag Locke down that hole. So Smokie appears to work for Ben - he didn't seem to like the Mercs very much ! Which makes me think that Widmore wouldn't last that long if he ever came to the island ! Hmm, what other little surprises has Ben got in store for the Losties.
I felt bad for Ben saying goodbye to Alex - he really has taken it hard. Seeing as Widmore broke the rules, that would have been the last thing he was expecting. So watch out Penny. Anything Widmore can do Ben can do better.
Sawyer - "Who the hell's Widmore ?" "Who the hell's Jacob ?" I'm sure there was another one but I can't remember ! See, now that Kate is out of the way, Sawyer is starting to think with his brain again. Its the whole Samson and Delilah thing from back when she cut his hair !
Ben and Locke need Hurley to find the cabin for them and Sawyer threatens them with death of they hurt a hair of his curly head. The expression on Sawyer's face was priceless when he realized Locke had pulled a gun on him ! So Sawyer heads off to the beach with Claire and Aaron and Miles.
Can't believe that Jack is still going for that freighter, even after Dan stated categorically that they were not there to rescue the Losties. He is one stubborn SOB !:D
AChristianShephard
12-02-08, 07:08 AM
Who or what is Smokie ? Whatever he is he doesn't seem to want to kill the Losties -
Apart from Eko :-(
And the pilot ;_)
Sawyer - "Who the hell's Widmore ?" "Who the hell's Jacob ?" I'm sure there was another one but I can't remember !
"Who the hell's Ozanna ?"
:nanabobo:
Joking, just got up, snowing here :Hippy:
Apart from Eko :-(
And the pilot ;_)
Ooops !
Snowing - I forgot what that looks like ! Except that my feet were always cold !
9.00 a.m. huh, thats a good time to get up ! Its 8.00 p.m. here. Just switched channels so I wouldn't have to watch "Ugly Betty". Have a good day ! I'll overlook your above comment :D
AChristianShephard
12-02-08, 08:27 AM
:wave2:
I wonder if Smokie likes the original pilot. :hmm:
I wonder if Smokie likes the original pilot. :hmm:
Now I wonder who that could be ..... I got it - Frank ! :Cheers: Well Frank has thrown in his lot with the Losties. He appears to have been on their side all along, so hopefully he will leave him alone too. He is one of the good guys, which the mercs certainly weren't. Hey, I wonder if Smokie was really p----d off because Keamy killed Alex, too.
Frank seems to be the only pilot who has successfully flown to and from the island on multiple occasions too.
Well, if he gets the job of taking the 06 back, maybe he could just push Jack out of the door !
AChristianShephard
12-03-08, 04:22 PM
:yeah::clap:
Well, if he gets the job of taking the 06 back, maybe he could just push Jack out of the door !
:pray1: :D
AChristianShephard
12-03-08, 10:30 PM
I wonder if Smokie likes the original pilot. :hmm:
Speaking of which, Smokie was gigantic wasn't she!
Gotta be alien in origin.
Uh oh, did someone mention Aliens ? Where's Sigourney Weaver ?
Hey, how'd do you know Smokies a she ?
Um er I believe in woman power so I spell it Smokie. Smokey would be male like Smokey the bear. I better stop now huh. :innocent:
:)Actually that makes very good sense, Dew ! She did give Sawyer a lingering "once over" !
AChristianShephard
12-04-08, 06:33 PM
Uh oh, did someone mention Aliens ? Where's Sigourney Weaver ?
Hey, how'd do you know Smokies a she ?
Oh come now, prances round casting judgement on all and sundry whilst destroying all that go against their own sensibilities?
Yep - Woman.
(In all kinds of trouble now)
:rofl1::shiny:
Oh come now, prances round casting judgement on all and sundry whilst destroying all that go against their own sensibilities?
Yep - Woman.
(In all kinds of trouble now)
:rofl1::shiny:
<-- looks around. Gets ACS in sight. The rest will be history. http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn137/Dew2008/Smilies/woman.gif
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In all kinds of trouble now)
You reckon Shep ?
Assumes best Monty Pythonesque voice : "You're a very naughty boy !"
Anyway Smokie is the only one with the cojones to do what has to be done !
So it's asexual then? Lol.
Should get on well with Jack then .... :D :naughty:
Ouch. That's pretty harsh, Ozzie. ;)
Sorry, Zia ! I'm just not a good person I guess :ashamed:
Jack is not my type. :)
I'm ..... not from around here ! :D :lol:
I wasn't asking for directions. ;)
I don't give 'em :)
I don't know where I'm going, and when I get there I don't know where I've been :confused:
Good morning, Zia !
Good evening, Ozanna. Sorry, I didn't even see this. So, are you down with burning through S4 again before the premiere?
Thats cool, Zia !
I'm a bit nervous about whether we're even getting "Lost" again next season, or at least when we will get it ! The network concerned say how much they have to pay for "Lost" but then they go and air it late at night and then wonder why the ratings slip and people do naughty things that we're not supposed to do here ! (I don't know how too do that yet !). No promos for "Lost" yet, everything else but no "Lost". But S4 has been giving us some clues and I can't wait for S5 one way or the other !
So, are you down with burning through S4 again before the premiere?
I could give it a go !
Have you heard anything about the start date at all?
Nooooo :cry: Just early in 2009 ! See they have to wait until the Oz Open Tennis is over because that is screened on the same Network as "Lost", which is usually over by the first week of February. Same as Desperate Housewives, Brothers and Sisters and Greys Anatomy, but they have all had promos and "Lost" hasn't ! Sorry I'm just being paranoid, but after the end of last season I'm entitled. 11.00 p.m. ! Oh, the indignity. Ugly Betty and Ghost Whisperers get far better treatment than that ! Sorry, I'll stop whinging and concentrate of S4 again ! :wave2:
AChristianShephard
12-20-08, 11:06 AM
Your not gonna be able to join in on watching s5 with us?
NO WAYS!
How old is your computer?
'Bout a couple of years, Shep, Apple iMac. But it'll be OK, I've got my son on the case ! I can tolerate being a week behind, like last year, but no more ! Just as long as they don't give Trinny and Susannah "Lost's" 9.30 timeslot this season ! Oh the indignity !
That would be a crime against the good people of Australia.
AChristianShephard
12-21-08, 11:50 AM
Not to mention good tatse.
OK I am late to the rewatch but finished this one tonight. They were doing the Morse code thing with the sat phone, and it is really bothering my that I can't figure out how the sat phone got broken in the first place. Anyone? And then that the doc on ship was still OK at that point, there...freaky.
Hi Catnap, nice to see you :)
I have been searching around and I can't figure where it got broken. But then there were a few of them I think. Naomi had one until she was killed - was that the one Jack had that Kate lifted from him. Or the one Charlotte had. Or the one that Frank threw out of the chopper that landed in the beach camp, that Jack got hold of. etc. etc. I may have to watch the whole of S4 again - but seeing as I have no idea when "Lost" is going to air again in Australia, that may not be such a bad idea ! :D
And because of the time differential that Daniel had discovered, Doc Ray was washed up on the beach the day before his throat was slashed ! So how about that ! :confused:
AChristianShephard
01-16-09, 03:29 AM
I seem to remember no-one having an answer to where it got broken when the episode initially aired, intriguing.
I seem to remember no-one having an answer to where it got broken when the episode initially aired, intriguing.
I'm glad about that Shep, I thought I was losing it, fantasizing about Sawyer and his big gun ... :ImLost:
THanks guys, that is good to know, because it was really bothering me. I remember seeing one, in their (Charolette and Daniel's) backpack, and they told Kate it was broken in the forest. But she noticed the green light on and realized they were lying. After that, all I could think of was maybe the fight when Juliette was wailing on Charolette? Did Charolette have a backpack then?
LOST Hiatus Rewatch:
Week 27
Weds., November 25th-December 2nd, 2009
Season 4: Episode 9
The Shape Of Things To Come
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World Walker
11-25-09, 11:16 AM
Oh, boy! I cannot wait to rewatch this episode. :D
The doc from the freighter washes ashore. My oh my. Alex is in a prisoner of Keamy and he uses her as bait to get Ben. A good game of Risk with Aaron on Hurley's lap. Code 14J rutroh! Ben freaks, and has John and Hurley help block the door. "They" are here.
Sawyer runs to Claire's cabin which is explodes as a rocket makes its mark. WHOA! Claire is alive and everything else is up in smoke. Ben has no intention of unbarricading the door to let Sawyer back in so Hurley breaks a window to accomodate Claire and Sawyer.
Keamy, who announced he works for Charles Widmore, has Alex kneeling on the ground, Ben doesn't budge then Keamy shoots her in the head. Ben is aghast. "He" changed the rules.
Ah Ben in Tunisia with his magic baton. He witnesses and unforseenn opportunity. It is Sayid at Nadia's funeral. Ben uses this to manipulate Sayid into working for him. Again Sayid thinks with emotion instead of his brain.
20 minutes left of daylight. Ben locks himself in his room behind the bookcase then returns. He tells everyone they have to run for the treeline. Ben has summoned Smokie who is bigger and more roubust in this scene than any other. Smokie makes mincemeat of Keamy's band of bandits.
Locke takes Hurley with him and Ben. Sawyer promises to kill Locke if he hurts a hair from Hurley's curly locks.
Flash ahead to London and Ben is in a suit and at Charles Widmore's residence. He weasels his way by the doorman and then walks into Charles' bedroom to Charles know he changed the rules so he will oblige and kill Penny. Charles states that Ben cannot kill him and Ben knows it. Ben leaves.
Great episode. I don't know who to believe because none of them can be trusted.
Sawyer's efforts to save Claire were heroic - but somebody must have been watching over him - a picket fence is not much defence against guys with guns ! And what about the poor damn red shirts, they were going down like nine-pins.
When they finally get back to Ben's house he won't let them in. Way to go Hurley, he lets them in through the window. :)
Seeing Keamy shoot Alex in the head, while she was on her knees in the dirt, was one of the saddest things I've seen. But it was hard to feel sorry for Ben. He seemed to think it was more important to save his own skin.
The "phone rings. Locke answers. "Its for Ben". Okaaaaay !
AChristianShephard
11-29-09, 04:04 PM
I was wondering whilst watching, wether i'd of killed Ben in this episode, there were points after smokies attack where both Locke & Sawyer had shotguns whilst with Ben and could of ended his interest right there.
Would you have done it?
Would the island of let you?
LOL at how ridiculous the whole shoot out with Sawyer rescuing Claire was, it was actually quite embarrassing and definitely one of the lowest point the show has ever reached, period.
The other thing I picked up was how obvious it seems now that Claire is dead. 4 hints in a row from Miles, then the leaving with her dad (me) thing.
Funny how you can be in denial about things on this show.
Both amazingly stoopid and stunningly rememberable episode, which also contains arguably my single fave scene from the whole show.
Awesomenesses 8/10
Perhaps the island wouldn't let Sawyer get shot and killed by Keamy and company.
AChristianShephard
11-29-09, 05:09 PM
Ah good point Dewski, that would totally work, which they had maybe hinted at that.
World Walker
11-29-09, 11:04 PM
I was initially a bit skeptical at Sawyer's ability to survive being shot at a thousand times while the red-shirts got hit one after the other like lemmings. I also believe the Island protected him from getting killed. Those red-shirts were supposed to die. Sawyer was supposed to live. Once I understood this, my dissapointment faded quite a bit.
World Walker
12-01-09, 12:42 AM
This is one of my favorite episodes ever and probably my second favorite (after The Constant) regular length episode of Season Four. I remember the hiatus ending and having high expectations and to be blown away in spite of that was a simply fantastic experience. There are just so many memorable moments I simply can’t do justice, but Alex’s shocking execution, Ben’s response to her death, the Smoke Monster’s attack, and Ben and Widmore’s meeting come immediately to mind. This episode sets up the endgame for Season Four, putting the Losties in direct conflict with Keamy’s vicious soldiers. :thumbs_up
Jack is beginning to feel sick. Was the Island (or some force on the Island) attempting to stop Jack from getting off? We know that ultimately it isn’t successful. This leads us to the question: were any of the Oceanic Six supposed to leave? If the answer is no, this seems to suggest that perhaps the original course of events have already been altered. After all, in Season Five we kept hearing that the Oceanic Six needed to go back to the Island (“God help us all!”) and that they weren’t supposed to leave. If many iterations of our story have gone by, this could be the first iteration with an actual change. The implications, at the very least, are interesting.
The freighter’s doctor washing up on the beach was an intriguing reveal because we find out later that the doc is still alive and kicking back on the freighter. So, how is this possible? Probably the best way to wrap your head around this is to imagine the doc’s body slipping through the temporal barrier around the Island—this allowed the body to time travel back in time, though not too far (remember, the doc’s throat gets cut in Cabin Fever). Remember the rocket’s 31 minute delay back in The Economist? It’s like that, only the rocket time traveled into the future by 31 minutes. Sayid, Desmond, and Frank also apparently time traveled into the future on their approach to the freighter in The Constant.
The most important thing about the freighter doctor is that there are now two doctors at the same time—one who is alive on the freighter and one who is very dead on the beach. Could this be a way to explain why there are two Lockes at the end of Season Five? Maybe, maybe not, but the similarities (one alive, one dead) are too striking to ignore. :hmm:
That’s funny how Locke, Hurley, and Sawyer were acting so serious during their game of Risk. :nanabobo:
Hurley: “Australia’s the key to the whole game.” – Only Season Six will tell!
Ben keeping a shotgun in his piano bench was pretty awesome and the look on Sawyer’s face was so hilarious. As soon as Locke told Ben they had a Code 14J, Ben’s beady little eyes just went wide. You just know the crap’s about to hit the fan big-time when Ben looks surprised. :eek1:
That was a huge “he just teleported!” moment for me when we saw Ben wearing a full Dharma parka lying on his back and gasping in the Sahara Desert, the chilly air around him quickly dissipating. The way Ben took out those bandits with the guns was really quite awesome. He’s got a black belt in hitting people with blunt objects. That telescoping baton was the same thing he used to beat Sawyer back in Every Man For Himself.
Ben seemed rather concerned for Locke’s life in this episode and advised him to stay close. Again, Ben seems to have some kind of foreknowledge that indicates Locke will be important. Otherwise, why go to the trouble? I can’t wait to see if Ben surprises us all in the final season.
What happened to the satellite phone? Dan indicates the mike was smashed up. Perhaps it got damaged during Charlotte’s fight with Juliet. Somehow I missed this. :ImLost:
We’ve seen the large portrait of that woman holding the animal in Ben’s house multiple times now and unless I’m crazy (granted, I am checked in at Santa Rosa), it seems to be slightly different each time we see it. Who is the woman in the portrait? The easiest guess is to say it is Ben’s mother. Another is to say its Annie, although I doubt she was still around the Island by the time she became an adult. A popular theory that cropped up in Season Five was the portrait could have been Juliet because Ben knew her as a child from 1974-1977. Sure, he suffered memory loss due to his conversion at the Temple, but would he have really lost an entire three years? If this pans out, it would also partially explain the comment by Harper that Juliet looks just like her. Of course she does…it was her!
The way those red-shirts were downed like Lemmings was beyond amusing. It was a good thing that bulletproof picnic table and picket fence were there to protect Sawyer. Yeah…TPTB definitely cheese-balled out in this scene, but hey, Sawyer’s miraculous survival could be attributed to the Island protecting him from death while he still had a destiny to fulfill, much like the Island won’t let Michael take his own life. Realizing this helped my disappointment fade for such a clumsy scene.
Current Lostie Survivor Count: 48 originally -1 (Marshall died) -1 (Joanna died) -1 (Scott died) -1 (Boone died) -1 (Arzt died) -1 (Shannon died) +4 (Eko, Ana Lucia, Libby, Bernard joined) -1 (Ana Lucia died) -1 (Libby died) -2 (Michael and Walt left the Island) -1 (Eko died) -2 (Nikki and Paulo died) +1 (Juliet joined) -1 (Charlie died) -3 (redshirts died) which brings us to a total of 36 survivors to date.
The hotel clerk gave Ben a really strange look when he announced himself as Dean Moriarty, a preferred guest. What did ‘Moriarty’ do on his previous stays to earn such a strange reaction? I hope we find out more about Ben’s past off the Island by the end of the show. Why did he need to travel the world? Why did any of the Others need to leave the Island? What were they doing?
Ben seemed to intuitively know the year the Frozen Donkey Wheel would send him and the hotel clerk confirmed it was 2005. How would Ben have any indication how far the Wheel would throw him in time at all? Did Dharma study the wheel? Did the Others know all about it? Or does Ben simply possess knowledge of the future?
The obvious question: Did Claire really survive the explosion with only superficial injuries or did she actually die? There are certainly several hints regarding the latter in the next episode, but it can also be argued the Island protected her in much the same way it protected Sawyer from the gunfire. We won’t know for sure until Season Six.
Aaron in the linen basket was a nice touch.
I love how Sayid just naturally sensed someone watching him at Nadia’s funeral, turned around, and looked directly at Ben! If I were Ben, my heart would have leapt into my throat. :faintthud
Ben lied to Sayid about how he got off the Island. Ben claimed he took Desmond’s old boat, The Elizabeth, to Fiji, but we know he turned the FDW. I liked that TPTB mentioned The Elizabeth. To this day, I’m still a bit puzzled where the Others keep all these boats they’ve commandeered. Where’s that big honkin’ boat Jack was on in Stranger in a Strange Land? Unfortunately, another minor mystery that will never get answered, I’m afraid.
The acting in Alex’s death scene was top notch. Alex’s pleading expressions mingled with her abject terror, followed by resigned despair, was piercing. Hearing Alex calling Ben “daddy” was almost too much coupled with Ben telling Keamy “she means nothing to me” and the music during the scene really added gravity to the moment. I really did not want to see her die, but there was no other way the scene could play out and have such a lasting impact on the viewers. Not to mention the pure shock! Somehow, this was even worse than Michael shooting Ana Lucia and Libby. The tragedy is complete when Ben looks at his daughter’s lifeless body in absolute surprise. :tears2:
Ben: “He changed the rules.” – What rules are Ben referring to? Did Charles and Ben have an agreement to never involve family in their feuds? Or is this something much more significant that ties in with the Island and the nature of being an Other? :rulez:
Ben reveals a secret room inside his secret room. Thanks to Season Five (Dead Is Dead), we know that the cave just beyond the hieroglyphic door leads to a puddle of water. By pulling some kind of hidden drain loose, it allows the water to flood down a sinkhole and Ben can summon Smokey by calling to it. The hieroglyphic door leading into the cave seemed to be on ground level which implies Dharma purposely built this home around it. The basement in Horace’s house in Season Five was connected to the tunnels with only a cinderblock wall blocking the entrance. How much did Dharma know about the ruins and ancient structures on the Island?
That was one hell of an evil, satisfied grin on Ben’s face when he got Sayid to start killing for him. :rubshands:
The Smoke Monster really looked massive as it swirled around the trees, attacking Keamy’s men. That was pretty sweet how Smokey chased that nameless grunt that started shooting at it (like that’ll work…) and dragged him back into the jungle, screaming. That really makes me wonder how Keamy’s men got away with so few casualties. Maybe Charles Widmore taught them a trick or two to repel Smokey. :hmm:
That was really revealing to see Benjamin Linus crying over his slain daughter. This man, who seemed to know so much as to seem omniscient at times, clearly loved his daughter, and this humanizes him in a way we’ve never seen before.
Poor Daniel got caught in a lie by Bernard.
I always laugh at the way Sawyer says, “Jacob? Who the hell’s Jacob?” :nanabobo:
By the end of the episode, Sawyer is furious with Locke and threatens to kill him if anything happens to Hurley. I believe the reason Sawyer is so upset is because he chose to go with Locke in The Beginning of the End; he believed Locke could keep them all safe, he had certain expectations of Locke, and he was bitterly disappointed. Perhaps he felt his trust had been betrayed. Regardless, by the end of the episode, Sawyer was “done” with Locke.
The meeting between Ben and Charles Widmore is simply classic. You can simply spend all day trying to analyze it. For instance, why was Widmore having nightmares? Why can’t Ben kill Widmore? Does it violate the rules or is Ben simply incapable of killing Widmore for another reason? Why does Widmore say, “I know what you are.”? What does that even mean? We do know why Widmore says, “Everything I had you took from me.” Thanks to Season Five, we find out Ben took leadership of the Others away from Widmore and banished him shortly after the Purge.
The portrait of The Black Rock we saw in the auction house in The Constant was hanging on the wall near Widmore’s bed.
Widmore: “Don’t stand there looking at me with those horrible eyes of yours.” :rotfl:
When Ben announced his intention to kill Penny, my blood turned to ice. I had been dreading that confrontation ever since, and thankfully, it ended much better than I thought it would. :pray:
Ben: “Sleep tight, Charles.”
What more can I say? This was simply an engrossing episode with a final scene that really gets you thinking. Classic! :Cheers:
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