S5 EPISODE 2 THREAD 21-JAN-09 : The Lie

[Brian]

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This is the discussion thread for the next LOST episode, "The Lie"

Writers:
Edward Kitsis (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0457736/) and Adam Horowitz (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0395271/)

Director:
Jack Bender (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0070474/)


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Enjoy the episode!

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The Lie:

Hurley and Sayid are on the run from the cops after stumbling into trouble at the safehouse; the island survivors come under attack by unknown forces; and an old friend offers some shocking advice to Kate in order to ensure that "the lie" remain a secret.


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[joedeelee71]

are we supposed to leave the ep 1 thread and come over here, I am confused...

[Mysterious Mike]

Woot

Frank episode

[joedeelee71]

Tell me where to post, I don't want to keep reading on two threads, I have enough trouble keeping up with one....

[suprememilo]

WTF ANNALUCIA! ooooh not real

[RoseArienh]

Ana Lucia! I knew it!!

[blondiejam]

holy crap! she's a ghost?!?!?!?!?????????????????

[snakey]

Michele, this is great, a ghost cop.

[HipKat]

Does this appearance of Anna Lucia prove the "They're Dead" theory?

[joedeelee71]

I JUST LOST MY MIND SCREAMING AT ANA LUCIA......

OMG OMFG!!!!!

[Locke Down]

Is she a Hurley imagination?

[DHARMA815]

OK,, He's seeing dead people again.

[blondiejam]

libby????? *tear*

[XxMayhemxX]

woah... libby says hi!? wierd

[LoonyLuna]

are we postin here? lol

[Mysterious Mike]

Hurley can't drive worth a crap.



Anna Lucia woohoo

[WayneInNYC]

Libby says "Hi."

AAAAAAaaaahhhhh!

[twilightsun]

ROFL @ Ana-Lucia!

[Selestina118]

Can't stand Ana-Lucia, but it's nice that Libby says "Hi!" XD

[XxMayhemxX]

oops i posted libby says hi in the other thread.. didnt see the time.. didnt know it was already a new epi.. lol

[Lostraveler9]

LOLOLOLOLOL.........."oh yeah, Libby says hi"

TOO FUNNY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Fletcher]

God, I love Ana Lucia. "Do NOT get arrested." I'm surprised Michelle Rodriguez was wiling to deliver that line.

[DHARMA815]

Ok, I guess we're over here now. This is almost as confusing as LOST.

[Dombrowski]

Don't you just love it when dead folks drop by to visit? Good seeing you again Anna.

[XxMayhemxX]

the pig commercial was pretty funny lol.. it jumping off the railing.. haha

[WayneInNYC]

Can't stand Ana-Lucia, but it's nice that Libby says "Hi!" XD

Nice cameo. Maybe the writers will be kind enough to let us know if dead people returning are visions or island resets (like they did here).

[RoseArienh]

God, I love Ana Lucia. "Do NOT get arrested." I'm surprised Michelle Rodriguez was wiling to deliver that line.
:rotfl: I never even thought about that, good one.

[Mysterious Mike]

God, I love Ana Lucia. "Do NOT get arrested." I'm surprised Michelle Rodriguez was wiling to deliver that line.


They paid her in booze

[Diamondduste]

Nice cameo. Maybe the writers will be kind enough to let us know if dead people returning are visions or island resets (like they did here).

I think this is more of Hurley's visions.

[XxMayhemxX]

Jimmy Kimmel Live wil have a deleted scene from epi 1 tonight

[LoonyLuna]

JIMMY KIMMEL WOOOT im totally gonna watch.

so if mrs h is daniels mom...why is he not british? that'd make him even cuter :P

[iluvjack]

:nanabobo:I knew it was her when the cop car pulled up I knew it I knew it I get points!

[Dew]

:cloud9: OK back to watching.

[WayneInNYC]

God, I love Ana Lucia. "Do NOT get arrested." I'm surprised Michelle Rodriguez was wiling to deliver that line.

I've read MR has a pretty good sense of humor. She probably BEGGED to add the line.

[blaze98]

he literally has a red shirt on.:D

[XxMayhemxX]

Frogurts a "redshirt"

[indylocke]

Okay moved over here.

Ana Lucia. LOL. Nice.

Anyway, so... Hurley sees dead people still (although he's a little crazy), but that's a different deal than Desmond's dreams or the Island time-jumping, so... yeah - my brain is sorta getting all mushy now...

What is Hurley's friend Dave shows up?

Also - Neil? WTF?

[indylocke]

Hurley's got a whole Weekend at Bernies thing going on right now.

[LoonyLuna]

dayum lookit those gas prices

[lostcat]

love his new shirt!

Who's Neil?

[Pippa]

LOL i totally have that phone

[blondiejam]

what kind of cell phone is that? geez - big print


hahaha

[LoonyLuna]

Going to see...sun? maybe?

[joedeelee71]

I am calling the caller right now as Sun.

[indylocke]

Sawyer?

[XxMayhemxX]

Neil Frogurt.. he was a lostie in the mobisodes...

[Locke Down]

I don't like that they're never coming back. A little sad

[blondiejam]

way to avoid the answer Ben.

[WayneInNYC]

love his new shirt!

Who's Neil?

The "Frogurt" guy that has been mentioned, but never "officially" been seen until now.

(He did appear in a Missing Pieces Episode with Hurley)

[Selestina118]

That look that Ben gave . . . I bet he and John are faking John's death!

[DHARMA815]

Ben kinda dodged that question didn't he?

[snakey]

would the flashing had sotpped if someone were pushing the button?

[blondiejam]

noooooooooooooooooooooooooooo not expose!

[snakey]

Razzle Dazzle? Expose? Was that Nikki's show?

[Selestina118]

Razzle Dazzle? Expose? Was that Nikki's show?

Yeppers. :D

[lostislander]

yep! niki!

[XxMayhemxX]

That look that Ben gave . . . I bet he and John are faking John's death!

i heard or read this somewhere before.. i think ODI's last podcast...
it is interesting.. and would convince jack to go back..

[snakey]

I love the easter eggish stuff.

[WayneInNYC]

Razzle Dazzle. And.... we get an audio cameo from Nikki.

[LoonyLuna]

i dont like never coming home either. Kinda depressing.

[joedeelee71]

Which of them really have a reason to live off island at this point now anyway, though?

[LoonyLuna]

yeah but..off island has miraculous things like..toilet paper. Freighters blew up their houses :( lol

[Mysterious Mike]

Which of them really have a reason to live off island at this point now anyway, though?

Sun has a child and a controlling stake in a major corporation.

[XxMayhemxX]

1 of those cops looked like Abbadon

[LoonyLuna]

baahaha

"You KILLED three people??"
"No. Sayid did."
"Oh, thats better"

[LoonyLuna]

take sayid to jack!

[sawyersgirl]

Sun or Sawyer's baby's mama

[Locke Down]

Do we know her?

[DHARMA815]

Anybody recognize her?

[XxMayhemxX]

no shes new...

Ben must have an army off island as well...

Neils a redshirt.. yup

[indylocke]

1 of those cops looked like Abbadon

Yup!

[Radio Mogul]

It's all part of the PATTERN! lol

[Diamondduste]

Charlotte's mother is her constant apparently...

[joedeelee71]

Are Daniel and Charlotte brother and sister?

Is he trying to find his mom through Desmond, or hers, or is she theirs?

[Greg Gregson]

Please dont kill off Charlotte!

[Selestina118]

Sweet . . . Miles brings back boar. :D

[blondiejam]

hahaha he found a boar

[LoonyLuna]

neil needs to die like..now.

[blondiejam]

hahaha and the red shirt gets it!

[Diamondduste]

Good Lord...

Frogut had the ultimate red-shirt set-up.

[RoseArienh]

OMG!!! I don't think they wanted fire that badly, lol.

[DHARMA815]

I think they found fire!

[indylocke]

What they heck? Others with flaming arrows?

[LOSTForever]

Bye Bye Neil.

[lostislander]

he asked for fire......

[Locke Down]

neil needs to die like..now.

woah. you called it!

[LoonyLuna]

oh my gosh! i can see the future! YAY!

[Selestina118]

*snickers at how Frogurt died* He had it coming . . .

[sawyersgirl]

neil needs to die like..now.

Quick, say "Sawyersgirl needs to win the lottery like...now."

[iluvjack]

I wish I could watch the whole season all at once this is too much

[LoonyLuna]

Quick, say "Sawyersgirl needs to win the lottery like...now."

lmaoo i'm laughing so hard now. that was epic timing. I'm desmond! :nanabobo:

[Diamondduste]

I guess everyone forgot about all the hostile factions on the island during its history.

[joedeelee71]

Is this others 5000 BC?

Noodleman might get his wish of fur bikinis...

[brdmom]

So, who thinks Ben is behind everything that's causing the O6 to head back to the island? He sent the lawyers to Kate, he sent the guys after Sayid...Michael Emerson is so great in his role!

[LoonyLuna]

So, who thinks Ben is behind everything that's causing the O6 to head back to the island? He sent the lawyers to Kate, he sent the guys after Sayid...Michael Emerson is so great in his role!

agreed. i'm also not buying how nadia died. i mean..IF widmore did do it, ben definitely manipulated sayid right away to get him on his side..or killed nadia so he would be able to manipulate sayid.

[brdmom]

And Vincent was there!

[blondiejam]

who was that the juliet was trying to help??

[DHARMA815]

YAY Vincent!!

[RoseArienh]

I couldn't tell either, Blondie. We're gonna have to watch this again. ;)

[Can't wait]

So, who thinks Ben is behind everything that's causing the O6 to head back to the island? He sent the lawyers to Kate, he sent the guys after Sayid...Michael Emerson is so great in his role!

Oh yeah. I am on that train. I was just saying that to myself.

[XxMayhemxX]

nope that shot showed the cop with a mustache.. didn't look like abbadon

[Locke Down]

I don't buy it. Hurley's parents would not be so forgiving of their mentally ill son. Especially because he's suspected of murder....right??? Or have they proven otherwise in the past?

[Can't wait]

Hurley's mom has the best lines!!!

[joedeelee71]

Sun's baby would only be a bit younger than Aaron, so why show her a baby picture?

[PhDBreezy]

So, who thinks Ben is behind everything that's causing the O6 to head back to the island? He sent the lawyers to Kate, he sent the guys after Sayid...Michael Emerson is so great in his role!

my thoughts exactly

[brdmom]

Sun's baby would only be a bit younger than Aaron, so why show her a baby picture?

I was just thinking the same thing.

[Diamondduste]

Sun is so behind this...

[XxMayhemxX]

I was just thinking the same thing.
cuz they are friends.. and she wanted to show her friend the pic of her duaghter..

[indylocke]

oh - that scared me - I thought Sun was gonna axe Kate for a second.

[WayneInNYC]

Sun is so behind this...

I'm with you on this... And she seems to be one step ahead of Ben.

You GO, Girl!!!!

[Locke Down]

shady sun

[Locke Down]

i couldn't hear jack

[brdmom]

cuz they are friends.. and she wanted to show her friend the pic of her duaghter..

But why wouldn't she show a recent picture?

[LoonyLuna]

you know..i love you jack but..you're a doctor..why are you driving a jeep from the middle of the earth?

[Diamondduste]

Sun will definitely be the kink in the works for the other 5.

[XxMayhemxX]

But why wouldn't she show a recent picture?

she prolly doesnt have a recent pic.. been traveling around the world.. she met with Widmore.. shes in LA...

i do agree shes up to no good tho... either Ben or Widmores ppl came to Kates door for the blood sample..

[joedeelee71]

What if Ben sent the two men after Sayid and Hurley, and they were supposed to drug them and bring them in?

[Can't wait]

They are going to have to take Sun back to the island kicking and screaming. It will not be pretty. She'll be happy though, when she sees Jin alive (I just KNOW he's alive and washed up on the island...)

[Pippa]

I don't understand what SUn's connection is to Widmore

[iluvjack]

Sun is trying to con Kate so she can get to Jack and seek revenge I don't like S5 Sun!! she is evil

[sawyersgirl]

NO recent pic to keep her protected. Sun is getting ready to do some bad stuff. Don't show a picture of your child to the ex-girlfriend of the guy you are about to shoot.

[XxMayhemxX]

Richard told Locke he has to get the 06 back.. so im with Ben and Richard.. and Widmore is bad.. and Sun is still ticked off they didn't save Jin so shes allied with Widmore..

She's will come around.. somehow...

[Locke Down]

They are going to have to take Sun back to the island kicking and screaming. It will not be pretty. She'll be happy though, when she sees Jin alive (I just KNOW he's alive and washed up on the island...)

Maybe! We never actually saw them die.

[Diamondduste]

I don't understand what SUn's connection is to Widmore

Sun is vengeful after what she thinks happened to Jin (As far as we know, his fate is still up in the air). She holds Ben and Jack responsible, and she's made a deal with Widmore as a result.

[blondiejam]

I couldn't tell either, Blondie. We're gonna have to watch this again. ;)


seriously need to watch the second episode again. my attentin span cannot handle 2 hours of lost ;)

[Greg Gregson]

Sun = naughty girl with a bad habit...

[Diamondduste]

HAHAHA!

Everyone who is trying to catch up with this series should just watch the scene with Hurley explaining everything to his mother.

[Can't wait]

I love Hurley, he is such a good person at heart.

[GG]

She believes him. She doesn't understand him, but she believes him!

[LOSTForever]

What a mom! Everyone needs on like Hurley's. Unconditional love. That's what it's all about!

[blondiejam]

anyone else expecting barefoot others and children?

[joedeelee71]

please be Danielle

[Diamondduste]

Those don't look like DHARMA members...

[XxMayhemxX]

please be Danielle
Danielles team?

[DHARMA815]

anyone else expecting barefoot others and children?

LOL, I was looking for a dirty teddy bear!

[LoonyLuna]

omg team danielle! i love that idea! you guys are so clever :) <3

[Locke Down]

Danielles team?

oooooh I hope so! He had an accent!

[Can't wait]

I have to re-watch these episodes but I am beginning to think that Ben has planned this whole thing from the very beginning. I mean, why would Richard tell Locke he had to die to bring everyone back? So Ben would have a way to convince Jack to come with him? I don't know, like I said, gotta rewatch. I just got a funny feeling.

[Jinjur]

That look that Ben gave . . . I bet he and John are faking John's death!

I don't think so otherwise alpert wouldn't have said it was nessecary for him to die. He would have said you can fake...whatever

[Selestina118]

I don't think so otherwise alpert wouldn't have said it was nessecary for him to die. He would have said you can fake...whatever

Yeah, but John needs to believe . . . Richard could set him on that course.

[LoonyLuna]

HAHAHAH EPIC!!! DEATH BY HOT POCKET!

[Radio Mogul]

no nurses or orderlies to help him, huh?

[Diamondduste]

Hurley's had a bunch of great moments tonight... add throwing the hot-pocket to the list.

[indylocke]

hooooooooooooooooooooottttttt pocket.

[Can't wait]

That Hot Pocket could've really burned Ben badly...

[Locke Down]

I have to re-watch these episodes but I am beginning to think that Ben has planned this whole thing from the very beginning. I mean, why would Richard tell Locke he had to die to bring everyone back? So Ben would have a way to convince Jack to come with him? I don't know, like I said, gotta rewatch. I just got a funny feeling.

It could make sense to me that they would stage Locke's death to use to convince Jack, etc. to go back. Kinda elaborate and/or too obvious.

I LOVE the idea that mean Locke was actually him traveling back from the future, however.

[XxMayhemxX]

but .. everyone who dies.. has appeared off the island.. at least most of them.. what if

Locke did die.. and now he is like a ghost, like Libby and Ana... and he is just laying there to trick Jack.. and Ben is 'in the know"

[Can't wait]

Ben could start his own doomsday cult... he's VERY persuasive

[brdmom]

Go Hurley - not trusting Ben!!

[matty1]

do you think they are "jumping" through time every 108 mins? Just a thought.

[XxMayhemxX]

yeah Locke saves the day!

[Selestina118]

:eek: This is how Danielle's husband (or whatever) lost his arm!!! I bet!

[Locke Down]

oooooooh snap

[RoseArienh]

Cheering out loud for Locke!!!! :D

[Diamondduste]

This scene is tons of awesome...

[blondiejam]

did he just blow that out twice?

[Radio Mogul]

it's the formula from FRINGE!

[Selestina118]

AAAAAHHHHH!!!!!!

[Diamondduste]

Mrs. Hawking!!!

[sawyersgirl]

Oh...I need to sleep on all of this. See you tomorrow!

[Dombrowski]

Mrs. Hawking!!!

Very funny.

[Selestina118]

AAAAHHH!!! I am so wired!!!! *FLAIL* That was SO AWESOME!!! *can't wait for next week* :D

:Cheers:

[Can't wait]

So, Mrs. Hawking knows more than Ben? I wonder if she is channeling Jacob?

[LostVoyeur]

head

spinning

AHHHHHHHHHHH

[twilightsun]

OMG. Toasted Frogurt, Razzle Dazzle, a lot of dead people, and some sadistic guys with British accents who want to cut Juliet's hands off? All that, and my favorite funny lines, in Blogging While Watching LOST: The Lie.

[joedeelee71]

If arm cutting is this group's MO, I am still wondering if those dudes were from Danielle's group?

If so, we may finally get to learn about who the heck they were.

What year do you think the beachies are in right now?

[The_Monster_Mash]

*SUPER HEAD ASPLOSION!*

BOTH EPISODES WERE AMAZING!!!!

[brdmom]

Y'know, it's great to have Lost back, but I feel like the direction the story is going is so different from the first season...maybe it will all tie together in the end.

And just a thought - do you think the whispers could be connected to the time travel? Could the whispers be a group that travels through time? (sort of like that Star Trek episode where they just hear the little hum because the beings move so fast)

I love Hurley. and Desmond. and Sawyer.

[LostVoyeur]

WHAT IF.........

the island wasn't speaking to Locke....he was speaking to himself....
Sawyer and Juliette are really Adam and Eve from the "past"

[twilightsun]

If arm cutting is this group's MO, I am still wondering if those dudes were from Danielle's group?

OMG, I think you might have it! After all, we were kinda told we hadn't heard the last of Danielle's story, right?

[Chinamom]

S5E1 “Because You Left”
S5E2 “The Lie”

BIG QUESTIONS:
“It hasn’t been built yet.”
Hostile indigenous population?
Who is the “client” wanting Kate’s blood tested?
How did Daniel get there?
Ben to Jack: Did he tell you what happened after the island moved? Does this mean Jack and Locke were in contact before Locke’s death?
Widmore searched for island 20 years “the first time”?
The only way to save the island is for Locke to die? Save it from what?
Why is Desmond “special”?
Who is Neil?
Who is Jill? An other?
What is Ben “about to do?”
Who is shooting the flaming arrows?
Who is the cut-her-other-hand-off guy?
What is the jeweler’s real job? Was she in a hatch?
What was the pendulum doing?

QUESTIONS ANSWERED:
The Orchid was built to harness energy to manipulate time.
Locke had to die in order to get the 06 back to the island.

QUESTIONS SOMEONE SHOULD HAVE ASKED:
Sawyer should have pressed Daniel more about why it took him so long to get his pack.

BEHIND THE EP TITLE:
Things that happened because the O6 left, the lie they all agreed upon.

SUSPENSION OF DISBELIEF:
Kate doesn’t have any kind of birth certificate whatsoever for Aaron. How long did she think she could go on with no one suspecting something? He would have to have it for school, at least.

PARALLEL LINES/SCENES:
Dr. Candle waking and playing LP/Desmond waking and playing LP

CULTURAL REFERENCES:
Hurley: The Godfather

LOST COLORS (ORANGE & RED):
Hurley’s Shitzu shirt
Hurley’s mom’s dress

LOST FOOD:
fries
an animal that died in the jungle (eeewww)

LOST LOCATIONS:
Los Angeles
Oxford

NUMBERS:
8:15 AM
Orientation Film #2
3 years earlier
Chamber 20 meters behind rock
Took Widmore 20 years to find the island ‘the first time”
70 hours for Ben

MUSIC:
Shotgun Willie
Strains of “Life Given, Life Taken” during hotel scene with Jack and Ben

FAVORITE LINES:
Faraday’s explanation of time using the spinning record reference, so cool along with all the records we’ve seen
“Libby says hi” LOL!
Hurley “push the button every 108 minutes or…I was never really clear on that.” LOL! Loved that whole summary.

FAVORITE SCENES
Nigerian plane!
Vincent!!!
Hurley running to police, but geez for a second I thought they might be Ben’s goons.

NICKNAMES:
Ginger
Danny Boy

GREAT CINEMATOGRAPHY:
That kitchen scene with Sayid and the dishwasher mishap looked very difficult to film—dark and close quarters.

KLEENEX MOMENTS:
flashbacks of Jin

MORE THAN COINCIDENCE:
Kate and Hurley at the same gas station.

OUCH:
Sawyer slapping Faraday
Richard removing the bullet

SERIOUSLY CREEPY:
Ethan!!!
Flaming arrows!

MINOR QUESTIONS:
How did Sayid know someone was there just because that piece of tape was cut?

JUST CAN’T WRAP MY HEAD AROUND THIS:
So the Others are the original island dwellers, then Dharma is a different group who came to study them? And Widmore is tied into Dharma? I’ve been here 4 years and thought I had it together, sheesh.

SUMMARY:
Well…of course I loved it because it’s LOST. But I kind of felt like there were some really cheesy reveals—like keeping people turned around and then WHAM here’s the face, see who it is! And some lines spoken very deliberately to answer questions. I miss the consternation of LOST! The flaming arrows were a heart-racing scene, but I hoped for more of that kind of action. But I still loved it!

[RicoSlim]

I wonder how far back they will end up going... my guess is that the opening scene has a lot to do with it

[Oswald]

but .. everyone who dies.. has appeared off the island.. at least most of them.. what if

Locke did die.. and now he is like a ghost, like Libby and Ana... and he is just laying there to trick Jack.. and Ben is 'in the know"


They used the spider to paralyze him,the Razzle Dazzle show came up shortly after.

[joedeelee71]

Here are my burning questions from tonight:

1) Why is Charlotte the only one having the nosebleeds?

2) Is it because she left the island in the past, and when she returned on the helicopter, it had gone off course?

3) That would explain why Miles isn't having an issue, because he's only been there once?

4) Why does Daniel want Desmond to find Daniel's mom, and not Charlotte's, if Charlotte is the one who needs a link to someone?

5) The only guess I have is that Daniel and Charlotte share the same mother.

6) But if that's true, I get the impression that Charlotte doesn't know...

7) My guess, going back to our very opening scene in ep 1 tonight, is that Daniel is not from the 70's, he is with the Losties but that's the time they have jumped to, and Daniel has infiltrated the Orchid in an effort to get things back to normal.

8) I think we may not see that scene again for a very long time.

[chud]

Well I'm looking forward to this discussion.....................................

Do we have Sun working with Widmore and Jack working with Ben - both competing for the O6 - as to who gets to go back to the island?

We have 70 hrs to sort this out according to Mrs. Hawking.

Locke is going to the future and the past....along with those remaining on the island.

Why aren't Richard & the Others skipping through time? But the Losties are....as is Juliet. Why isnt Juliet experiencing the same as the other Others?

Why was Daniel at the Orchid with the Pierre Chang?

:teu87: :blowup:

[Pippa]

Every time they showed Locke and the rest of the island people, is that stuff that happened 3 years ago? I'm very confused.

[Bernard is White]

Y'know, it's great to have Lost back, but I feel like the direction the story is going is so different from the first season...maybe it will all tie together in the end.

And just a thought - do you think the whispers could be connected to the time travel? Could the whispers be a group that travels through time? (sort of like that Star Trek episode where they just hear the little hum because the beings move so fast)

I love Hurley. and Desmond. and Sawyer.

Couldn't agree more about the direction of the story.

[Diamondduste]

On slow-scan, it looks as if Mrs. Hawking is in a measuring station of sorts... using the formulas and knowledge of the island to determine when it's going to "appear" in the present time... 70 hours from now in the middle of the south Pacific.

[Dew]

Does anyone know that that very large pendulum apparatus was that was scribing the large piece of glass? I think that what Mrs. Hawking is using to determine 70 hour window.

Thanks. :)

[Radio Mogul]

S5E1 “Because You Left”


MINOR QUESTIONS:
How did Sayid know someone was there just because that piece of tape was cut?




Old spy trick

If tape intact, no one has entered

[Diamondduste]

Why aren't Richard & the Others skipping through time? But the Losties are....as is Juliet. Why isnt Juliet experiencing the same as the other Others?



:teu87: :blowup:

Juliet wasn't born on the island and isn't a member of "The Others". If you were, for example, born in a place where the rules of time do not apply... you will experience things differently when time goes haywire for those who are operating under the normal rules.

Ethan and Richard are/were timeless.

[Amadan320]

do you think they are "jumping" through time every 108 mins? Just a thought.

could that possibly be the reason Desmond and Locke had to push the button every 108?????????

[Dew]

I wonder what Daniel meant when he told Desmond that he was "super special". He said something, I cannot recall, couldn't happen/effect him. Did anyone catch that?

[brdmom]

Every time they showed Locke and the rest of the island people, is that stuff that happened 3 years ago? I'm very confused.

I was assuming that the time travel is happening immediately after the island moves. However, why would Desmond be going to Oxford three years after they've left the island? That wouldn't save Charlotte - that would be too late.

Also, when Ben ends up in Tunisia, is he three years after the crash or before it?

[joedeelee71]

No, the pendulum thing is just a toy. It is called a Foucoult, and it processes the rotation of the earth. It is possible it is helping solve the equation, but more likely it is just a cool prop.

[WayneInNYC]

could that possibly be the reason Desmond and Locke had to push the button every 108?????????

No. I think the numbers were entered so that the island wouldn't jump around.

When they failed the island started to phase, but Desmond turned the fail safe key.

That's why the island was out of sync with everything going on around it - it only shifted a bit.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

[RadioDave]

Do we have Sun working with Widmore and Jack working with Ben - both competing for the O6 - as to who gets to go back to the island?

I think so... Sun's meeting with Kate was more then a little catching up IMO.. I think Sun's laying the groundwork to get Kate on her side.


We have 70 hrs to sort this out according to Mrs. Hawking.

I guess... just thrilled to have her back in the storyline as some sort of uber-knowitall


Locke is going to the future and the past....along with those remaining on the island.

I guess now that the record isn't skipping.. it's bouncing all over the place... future, past... unpredictable?


Why aren't Richard & the Others skipping through time? But the Losties are....as is Juliet. Why isnt Juliet experiencing the same as the other Others?

I think the ones that aren't time traveling are the original Hostiles... and I think there's a lot more to them then we've been shown yet. Whoever they are, I'm betting they were the first ever inhabitants on the island.. and some may even have 4-toes.


Why was Daniel at the Orchid with the Pierre Chang?

I think someone already nailed that one... infiltrating the operation to either study it or get things back on track... and I think we won't be getting back around to that scene till the finale (or thereabouts)

[truffula]

Now onto this eppy, which had lots of laughs that were much needed after the INSANITY of that first hour. My scribbles (some of which are illegible cause I was shaking from the first eppy for a while)....

- I'd like a cap of the Beers from the opening shot. I didn't recognize the label, wondering if it was real or not.

- Ana Lucia as a ghost? aka The Island instructing/guiding Hurley. Like Charlie. Surprised he didn't pop up in here.

- FROOOOOOGURT!!!! Finally on the show after his brief mention in S1. And he's quite the pain in the ass isn't he? But he gets his.....

- CAP of Daniel's "Device". What was it?

- I <3 mah Shiht-Zu (or however its spelled :p) Awesome. :D "wanna buy a lottery ticket?" Um, no.

- 323-555-0156 - there's 15 and 23 again. The NUMBERS are gonna come back around and bite ya on the ass cause ya forgot about em. Thought they weren't important. You'll see. :D

- What was Ben's package that he took from the vent?

- Cheech makin a sammich watchin some Expose. Didn't see Nikki though (wasn't really payin attention either)

- You killed 3 people? No, Sayid did. Oh, that's better. - Another classic exchange between Hurley and dad.

- JILL, GABRIEL (Sylar ;)), JEFFREY - Off-Island Others working for Ben. I want more info. More questions dammit.

- "we can't even get FIRE" - BLAM!!! No more Frogurt. And ATTAAAAAACK!!!!!!!! They LIT UP that beach with them fire arrows. I wonder if they're elves. ;)

- HAHAHAHAHA!!!! Hurley throws the Hot Pocket at Ben!!! :rotfl:

- Hurley gets arrested to get away from Ben. Not a good move I would bet.

- LOCKE saves Sawyer and Juliet!!! Nice!!!

- Formulas. Chalkboard. CAPS!!!!

- MRS. HAWKING!!!! You have 70 hours.

MRS. HAWKING IS DANIEL FARADAY'S MOTHER!!!!!!!

*wigs out*

:woot3:

[Diamondduste]

I wonder what Daniel meant when he told Desmond that he was "super special". He said something, I cannot recall, couldn't happen/effect him. Did anyone catch that?

Desmond is special because he's unstuck in time. When Daniel was explaining the string theory, that applies to everyone but Desmond. Desmond's past self can influence his future self.

[joedeelee71]

If Richard told Locke that he is not moving through time, Locke is - then why would he then tell Locke that the next time they meet, it would be Richard who wouldn't recognize Locke?

I know that this connects to when Richard visits Locke as a child and asks him which object belongs to him, and Locke does NOT pick the compass, which pisses Richard off.

What I can't figure out is how to connect the dots in time.

Why doesn't Richard know Locke? I thought he is impervious to time travel?

[XxMayhemxX]

Every time they showed Locke and the rest of the island people, is that stuff that happened 3 years ago? I'm very confused.

in Epi 1, the island was skipping around through time.. to a time of the Yemi drug plane crash, to a time in the future... after the hatch implosion.. skipping back and forth among times...

in epi 2 i think its all taking place in the past.. in whatever year the drug plane crashed...

So we witnissed.. Sept 04 thru Dec 04 or so
The 815 crash to the island moving

and the Oceanic 6 are in 2007-2008, time has gone by off the island... no warping tho.. they are experiencing time normally..

And the islanders are now all over the place.. in a few diff times.. but we didnt see any purple light events in epi 2, so the island must of settled in whatever time the drug plane crashed... at least for now...

anyone notice Hawkins dark black beady scary eyes in that last scene?

[Dew]

No, the pendulum thing is just a toy. It is called a Foucoult, and it processes the rotation of the earth. It is possible it is helping solve the equation, but more likely it is just a cool prop.

Thank you very much, :)

[Selestina118]

- JILL, GABRIEL (Sylar ;)), JEFFREY - Off-Island Others working for Ben. I want more info. More questions dammit.

:D Yeah, I caught that . . . *and admittedly did a mini-flail when I heard* I did remind myself that this is LOST however . . . . (Although Des being "special" made me *flail* as well. ;) )

:Cheers:

[Lostraveler9]

OMG, I think you might have it! After all, we were kinda told we hadn't heard the last of Danielle's story, right?

Could this be how Dr. Marvin Candle lost his arm?????????

[Homer Noodleman]

Well, thank God for Lovely Cindy appearing in the recap. It put me in a preternaturally good mood that allowed me to ride out the train wreck that was S5E1.

I said TPTB were too sloppy to pull time travel off, and the sheer silliness of that episode bore me out. Desmond doesn't remember the guy who hammered on his hatch door babbling about helicopters and explosions? Ethan doersn't remember the bald headed boob who disappeared just before he shot him? Oh, puh-leez.

The first episode sucked in ways that made the vanishing chasm of Season One look like the good ol' days. It sucked in more ways that I care to remember. I dread the mounting pile of idiocy that that plot device is sure to build up. Gagh... it sucked so much I was happy to see Anna Lucia sneer her way back onto the screen. If you know me, you know that's no minor statement.

As bad as Episode was, and it was bad in ways there are no adjectives for, Episode II was a return to the Lost I know and love. Ghosts popping up with unfathomable agendas, is Ben Eeeevil (as if we think he isn't) or is he not? Why does Mrs Hawkings with her malarkey about the Universe "course correcting" itself worry so much about it not course correcting itself in this situation? Perhaps free will trumps her universe after all?

Pluse, I've argued for a long time that Tablua Rasa, along with the other two first three flashback episodes, was critical to the theme of Lost. In particular the scene where Kate tries to escape from the farm (the surrogate island) like a thief in the night instead of just telling Ray she had to go. She chose deception, and all bad things have flowed from that decision. They beat us over the head that notion -- not lying is critical to what happens -- with Hurley's stroy line in the second episode (and by the way, Jorge Garcia acted his little heart out in that episode -- props to him).

Anyhoo... I reckon Episode One was for the Mythology fanboys, and we'll have to put up with the time travel nonsense from time to time like we had to put up with the numbers in Season One. Episode Two touched more effectively on the themes and characters of the show. I liked the second episode better, but I suppose a fair share of the fans are delighted by the time travel stuff.

[Dude Im Lost]

has anybody mentioned that one of the fbi agents looked alot like abadon

[casual-viewer]

Best moment of the show, one Truffula just mentioned: Hurley throwing the Hot Pocket across the room.

Thank God for Hurley and Sawyer and Miles.

[chud]

Juliet wasn't born on the island and isn't a member of "The Others". If you were, for example, born in a place where the rules of time do not apply... you will experience things differently when time goes haywire for those who are operating under the normal rules.

Ethan and Richard are/were timeless.

Thanks Diamondduste - makes some sense.
So if Ben were still on the island, he would also be hopping time.
That could be why he had to leave - and he did jump into the future, right?
But somehow he was teleported off the island..........after turning the wheel.

[Diamondduste]

Best moment of the show, one Truffula just mentioned: Hurley throwing the Hot Pocket across the room.

Thank God for Hurley and Sawyer and Miles.

Hurley had a bunch of great moments tonight... that being one of them.

[Diamondduste]

Thanks Diamondduste - makes some sense.
So if Ben were still on the island, he would also be hopping time.
That could be why he had to leave - and he did jump into the future, right?
But somehow he was teleported off the island..........after turning the wheel.

Exactly. Ben knew he had to leave, otherwise he'd be shifting with the rest of them. The teleportation thing is interesting, and I'm guessing it's because he was so close to the concentration of whatever power is causing the time shifting.

[joedeelee71]

Not exactly, Chud.

Ben jumped, but not to 3 years later where Jack is a stonie. He jumped about 10 months.

Remember, he recruits Sayid, who works for him (according to Sayid tonight) for about 2 years.

But apparently, now that we are 3 years out of the O6 departure from the island, Sayid and Ben have parted ways.

It will be interesting to see what it was that made Sayid return to not liking Ben and leaving his assassin job.

[GimongousLostFan]

in Epi 1, the island was skipping around through time.. to a time of the Yemi drug plane crash, to a time in the future... after the hatch implosion.. skipping back and forth among times...



pendulum was my thought....

[RadioDave]

MRS. HAWKING IS DANIEL FARADAY'S MOTHER!!!!!!!


I can't believe I didn't pick up on that till just now. Holy smokes... sure answers the question "Why has Daniel dedicated his life to learning this stuff"... it runs in the family of course!

[invasian]

- CAP of Daniel's "Device". What was it?


Here's a screen cap

http://img.skitch.com/20090122-bdqh193mkwgf9a81f7aui3c4n7.jpg

[Dew]

:confused:

[Frek21]

Can someone refresh me on who Mrs. Hawkings is? Was she in a previous episode because I don't remember.

[truffula]

Damn, that was fast!!! Thanks, invasian!! :D
Okay, that looks like the glasses from "National Treasure" mixed with the middle section of a Trumpet. Nothing I've ever seen before.

[joedeelee71]

Frek, she is the woman from the jewelry store who broke the third wall so to speak and told Desmond he wasn't supposed to buy the ring.

But she is also the judge from the island that determined Juliet's punishment.

[Homer Noodleman]

Maybe the writers should write something without humongous plot holes that require the viewers to twist themselves into pretzels to explain away. The mechanics of time travel on Lost are laughable in how inconsistent they are.

Remember last year -- people's consciousness sloshed around until they got nosebleeds amd their heads exploded? Now whole groups of people get flung hither and yon along the time line, sometimes together, sometimes separately.

Eh, so much for the Season IV rules of time travel (which were a mess in their own way). Do any of you doubt that in a future episode they'll write themselves into another plot corner, only to escape it by having Daniel paw through his notebook and come up with some new bunkum to explain things away?

[truffula]

Can someone refresh me on who Mrs. Hawkings is? Was she in a previous episode because I don't remember.
"Mrs. Hawking" was in "Flashes Before Your Eyes" (The Desmond FB eppy that revealed what happened when he turned the Failsafe Key).
Though keep in mind, we have never heard her name on the show.
"Mrs. Hawking" is just the name the character was credited as in the scripts. We have not heard her name on the show. Yet. ;)

[Frek21]

Frek, she is the woman from the jewelry store who broke the third wall so to speak and told Desmond he wasn't supposed to buy the ring.

But she is also the judge from the island that determined Juliet's punishment.

Thanks. I really need to go back and watch the previous seasons to refresh my memory I just haven't had the time.

[billehmeg]

so awesome! I'm so glad this show is back so I can get some quality tv watching done!

I've got a couple of things about tonight. First off, where Locke was shot by Ethan, was that the same place he lost the use of his legs in S1? perhaps a connection?

second, I was trying to figure out how Richard isn't phasing with the Losties but then I thought maybe its because he and the rest of the others went to the Temple? maybe they did something there that allowed them to stay put in time. Maybe the Temple is safe from the island's time issues? Goodwin's wife appeared to Juliet when she was supposed to be at the temple so maybe when the others were around doing things they were actually somehow projecting themselves around the island, all the while staying safe at the Temple.

- When they failed the island started to phase, but Desmond turned the fail safe key.

That's why the island was out of sync with everything going on around it - it only shifted a bit.

I'm not so sure on this one. Remember Michael had to follow a certain bearing on the boat to get back to civilization and he was told this before Des blew the hatch.

oh and the moment Mrs Hawking (!) entered into an obvious church I immediately thought of the monk who had the picture of himself with her on his desk.

[Vincent_Madison]

Frek, she is the woman from the jewelry store who broke the third wall so to speak and told Desmond he wasn't supposed to buy the ring.

But she is also the judge from the island that determined Juliet's punishment.

I don't think Mrs. Hawking was the judge.

[iluvjack]

Frek, she is the woman from the jewelry store who broke the third wall so to speak and told Desmond he wasn't supposed to buy the ring.

But she is also the judge from the island that determined Juliet's punishment.

Whoa that's right! she was also the judge... I forgot that!

[joedeelee71]

Okay, stay with me here, I just had a thought that might make ALL of our noses bleed as our heads collectively explode.

IF: flight 815 crashed because Desmond didn't push the button in time, can we also say that the reason we see Echo's plane crash when they jump in time is that if anyone is near the "hidden" island when it time shifts, they crash?

And, IF you follow that logic, when they shifted again, further back in time (we believe) could that be the moment when DANIELLE's boat lost course and crashed on the island?

That would mean that each time they shift, someone else might show up.

Meaning, the next time they shift, we might meet Henry Gale and his not so fortunate balloon?

I love this show, and I love they way it makes me very smart.... or completely foolish... Time will tell...

[XxMayhemxX]

Well, thank God for Lovely Cindy appearing in the recap. It put me in a preternaturally good mood that allowed me to ride out the train wreck that was S5E1.

I said TPTB were too sloppy to pull time travel off, and the sheer silliness of that episode bore me out. Desmond doesn't remember the guy who hammered on his hatch door babbling about helicopters and explosions? Ethan doersn't remember the bald headed boob who disappeared just before he shot him? Oh, puh-leez.

They dont remember them, because this is the first time they have seen them...
These scenes are happening in the past.. how far back.. who knows.. but when the scenes happen.. Desmond has never seen Daniel before.. and Ethan has never seen Locke before... i thought it made perfect sense...

[Soulcatcher]

Evening everyone!

LTWFTP here. But the 'cut off her arm' guys, they looked like to me to be in military uniforms with M1 rifles. I'm thinking WWII era here.... I know a huge time jump. But remember they found a WWII era knife in S1 if I remember correctly on the island. That would tie in..

Just thought I'd toss that out there... crazy episodes, huh ?!?

[XxMayhemxX]

Okay, stay with me here, I just had a thought that might make ALL of our noses bleed as our heads collectively explode.

IF: flight 815 crashed because Desmond didn't push the button in time, can we also say that the reason we see Echo's plane crash when they jump in time is that if anyone is near the "hidden" island when it time shifts, they crash?

And, IF you follow that logic, when they shifted again, further back in time (we believe) could that be the moment when DANIELLE's boat lost course and crashed on the island?

That would mean that each time they shift, someone else might show up.

Meaning, the next time they shift, we might meet Henry Gale and his not so fortunate balloon?

I love this show, and I love they way it makes me very smart.... or completely foolish... Time will tell...

makes perfect sense... each time the island went into the past.. the island attracted a new plane or ship...

[Vincent_Madison]

Whoa that's right! she was also the judge... I forgot that!

nope - the judge was Isabel played by Diana Scarwid - not the same woman.

[crazy4sawyer]

Here's a screen cap

http://img.skitch.com/20090122-bdqh193mkwgf9a81f7aui3c4n7.jpg

Do you think maybe his mother may have given it to him??

[LostEmissary]

My quick reaction: Excellent episode(s). If you just accept that the time travel elements on this show aren't going to make sense under scrutiny, these are the kinds of episodes that makes this show fun.

My dad called it with regard to who Daniel's mother was right when Dan told Desmond to go find his mother. It didn't even occur to me until he mentioned it.

I love the way they've set up the whole "we need to get everyone back to the island" concept. Sure, it's not making a whole lot of sense why that has to happen, but if you just take it on faith that it's what has to be done to save everyone's lives, it's going to be a great ride seeing how that all plays out.

I can best summarize it by saying that after waiting 9 months or so for a new episode of LOST, I got pretty much everything I was hoping for and I wasn't disappointed. So they did their job.

While the time travel element was one I never wanted the show to use, I'm accepting it for what it is. And the thing about it is that it's not really a "cop out" like time travel can so often be. The fact that the past is NOT alterable in any way makes it somehow easier to deal with. The only minor exception to that rule is Desmond, because Daniel was able to communicate something to him in the past which travelled with Desmond to the future, somehow. But other than that, I believe they'll stick to this idea that you can't significantly, if at all, alter the past and thereby change the present/future.

That's enough for me to accept and roll with, because the character element of the show is so much fun, and the actors consistantly do an incredible job of drawing me in to their story.

By the way, a little off topic, but don't forget to support the forum (it's really expensive to host a big forum) :D Click here to donate (http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/index.php?pageid=supporttheforum0), or here to shop at the aStore (http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/index.php?pageid=astore0) (through Amazon.com).

[iluvjack]

Maybe the writers should write something without humongous plot holes that require the viewers to twist themselves into pretzels to explain away. The mechanics of time travel on Lost are laughable in how inconsistent they are.

Remember last year -- people's consciousness sloshed around until they got nosebleeds amd their heads exploded? Now whole groups of people get flung hither and yon along the time line, sometimes together, sometimes separately.

Eh, so much for the Season IV rules of time travel (which were a mess in their own way). Do any of you doubt that in a future episode they'll write themselves into another plot corner, only to escape it by having Daniel paw through his notebook and come up with some new bunkum to explain things away?

I agree with you. I feel as if i'm twisted into a pretzel myself. If only we were smart enough to remember all this stuff they keep throwing at us. I need to write all this stuff down seriously. They just keep giving us a huge bite to chew on and then before we are able to digest it we get another mouth load... and I HATE this time travel stuff!

[XxMayhemxX]

Whoa that's right! she was also the judge... I forgot that!


The judge? you mean the Sheriff of the others who asked Jack about Juliet asking to kill Ben.. no thats a seperate actress and a seperate character...
i thought so to last year til someone showed me the two actresses and the screenshots..

nope - the judge was Isabel played by Diana Scarwid - not the same woman.
correct.. beat me to it :P

[truffula]

Evening everyone!

LTWFTP here. But the 'cut off her arm' guys, they looked like to me to be in military uniforms with M1 rifles. I'm thinking WWII era here.... I know a huge time jump. But remember they found a WWII era knife in S1 if I remember correctly on the island. That would tie in..

Just thought I'd toss that out there... crazy episodes, huh ?!?
Welcome to the forums, Soulcatcher!! :welcome:
I thought the same thing too. Early US Army issue fatigues. Circa WWI or WWII.
I had forgotten about the knife (the one that Goodwin had that he shared with Ana Lucia, for those who might have forgotten). That is an excellent connection to make!! :D

[joedeelee71]

Billehmeg!

Brilliant idea about Locke and his legs. That would be like a time overlap, which we are also thinking may be why people hear whispers, that it may be time overlaps (like TNG) - which by the way, some of us have been guessing off and on since they first started happening - starting to look more promising, eh?

I could get really cheeky here - after all, we know Abrams likes Star Trek - he's doing the movie. So why not slip in an homage in his tv show?

[skarama]

Evening everyone!

LTWFTP here. But the 'cut off her arm' guys, they looked like to me to be in military uniforms with M1 rifles. I'm thinking WWII era here.... I know a huge time jump. But remember they found a WWII era knife in S1 if I remember correctly on the island. That would tie in..

Just thought I'd toss that out there... crazy episodes, huh ?!?


Nice catch, I had completely forgotten about that!

My first impression was that they looked Dharma. I've read somewhere else on the forum that someone thoguht they could be Widmore people. First of all, would they be part of the group that was shooting flaming arrows? It kind of happened close to that anyways..

My theory about the flaming arrows is that these would be the "hostiles" before they became the others, hence, before the dharma initiative was purged by Ben. Considering the others as we know them have plenty of gun power, why would they use the sort of ancestral method of arrows?

[grumpy]

Remember last year -- people's consciousness sloshed around until they got nosebleeds amd their heads exploded? Now whole groups of people get flung hither and yon along the time line, sometimes together, sometimes separately.

Eh, so much for the Season IV rules of time travel (which were a mess in their own way). Do any of you doubt that in a future episode they'll write themselves into another plot corner, only to escape it by having Daniel paw through his notebook and come up with some new bunkum to explain things away?

But they had to cross the "barrier" (yet to be explained) before their brains started sloshing in season 4. Season 5, they're staying on the island, which obviously provides some protection - except for Charlotte, maybe.

I did laugh out loud though when Daniel told Desmond that he was "special" so wasn't affected by the time travel stuff - nice loophole. Although, to be fair, Desmond is special, because he's Daniel's constant. And he has a constant of his own.

[silversurfer]

Well, thank God for Lovely Cindy appearing in the recap. It put me in a preternaturally good mood that allowed me to ride out the train wreck that was S5E1.

I said TPTB were too sloppy to pull time travel off, and the sheer silliness of that episode bore me out. Desmond doesn't remember the guy who hammered on his hatch door babbling about helicopters and explosions? Ethan doersn't remember the bald headed boob who disappeared just before he shot him? Oh, puh-leez.

The first episode sucked in ways that made the vanishing chasm of Season One look like the good ol' days. It sucked in more ways that I care to remember. I dread the mounting pile of idiocy that that plot device is sure to build up. Gagh... it sucked so much I was happy to see Anna Lucia sneer her way back onto the screen. If you know me, you know that's no minor statement.

As bad as Episode was, and it was bad in ways there are no adjectives for, Episode II was a return to the Lost I know and love. Ghosts popping up with unfathomable agendas, is Ben Eeeevil (as if we think he isn't) or is he not? Why does Mrs Hawkings with her malarkey about the Universe "course correcting" itself worry so much about it not course correcting itself in this situation? Perhaps free will trumps her universe after all?

Pluse, I've argued for a long time that Tablua Rasa, along with the other two first three flashback episodes, was critical to the theme of Lost. In particular the scene where Kate tries to escape from the farm (the surrogate island) like a thief in the night instead of just telling Ray she had to go. She chose deception, and all bad things have flowed from that decision. They beat us over the head that notion -- not lying is critical to what happens -- with Hurley's stroy line in the second episode (and by the way, Jorge Garcia acted his little heart out in that episode -- props to him).

Anyhoo... I reckon Episode One was for the Mythology fanboys, and we'll have to put up with the time travel nonsense from time to time like we had to put up with the numbers in Season One. Episode Two touched more effectively on the themes and characters of the show. I liked the second episode better, but I suppose a fair share of the fans are delighted by the time travel stuff.

Yeah, this episode definitely felt a lot more like "old school Lost". Just something about the Hurley focus in this episode. I think it had to do with things from his past haunting his present, the lie, and then him getting his little touch of redemption by telling his mom the truth.

[crazy4sawyer]

Nice catch, I had completely forgotten about that!

My first impression was that they looked Dharma. I've read somewhere else on the forum that someone thoguht they could be Widmore people. First of all, would they be part of the group that was shooting flaming arrows? It kind of happened close to that anyways..

My theory about the flaming arrows is that these would be the "hostiles" before they became the others, hence, before the dharma initiative was purged by Ben. Considering the others as we know them have plenty of gun power, why would they use the sort of ancestral method of arrows?

Didn't the others start out by acting like they were primative? Couldn't this have been the very first time they saw the survivors?

[billehmeg]

They dont remember them, because this is the first time they have seen them...
These scenes are happening in the past.. how far back.. who knows.. but when the scenes happen.. Desmond has never seen Daniel before.. and Ethan has never seen Locke before... i thought it made perfect sense...

I'll agree with you on the Desmond part (he & Daniel are specially unstuck in time which allows them to change the details of the past) but do we know that Ethan didn't know who Locke was? it would explain the Others reaction to him once he joined them.

All this time travel to the past also seems to explain Ben's automatic reaction of looking at the sky when 815 crashed as though he was expecting it.

[joedeelee71]

Okay, here is my next question:

IF Mrs. H/jewelry lady/NOT the judge I get it now thanks IF Mrs. H is Daniel's mom, and Daniel is using Desmond to get a message to her to help him, is it possible that Mrs. H is NOT on Ben's team, but is her own agent and went to Ben because he is the only one who can fix it?

Although, how would she know where to find him if she didn't know him?

I am confused.

[joedeelee71]

I still think that the arm people were Danielle's group. I think the flaming arrows were Richard's group.

Here's a question: Knowing that Widmore has been to the island before, is it possible that Danielle's group is actually connected to Widmore?

Think about it - her "science" team had military stuff and training tactics. She KNEW that Ben was lying, even though she claimed to have never crossed paths with the Others before.

Ben, Widmore, they have a long history. And I am more certain than ever that Danielle is not only tied to Ben's story, she is tied to Widmore.

How about them apples, Truff?

[PhDBreezy]

My episode recap over at http://lostwithbreanne.blogspot.com

All I can say is that one whole hour of shirtless Sawyer made this premiere worthwhile. Why in the world did he want a shirt so bad. Show mama what you got, baby!

Working through this chronologically-ish:

Marvin Candle/Wickman/Dr. Chang wakes up at 8:15 am- I love it when the episode starts off with easter eggs.
It's never a good sign when a drill melts. Something tells me that construction guy has a workman's comp claim. Pretty sure he's not coming back to the Orchid anytime soon.
What the hell is Faraday doing there? When did that happen in the timeline?
The flashes in time were a new interesting twist. I'm expecting all new easter eggs to help us determine what part of the past timeline we are in (cocaine plane on the cliff, burnt up plane on the ground, blown up hatch, undiscovered hatch, etc).
I really hated Ethan...not thrilled he's back. He gives me the creeps. This just makes me less excited about which other dead LOSTIES will be back- Nikki and Paulo...The Hobbit...Boone... but I'm totally okay with Eko and Rousseau coming back. We didn't get near enough of their storylines.
Widemore punk'd Sun at the airport?! Would never happen...Sun is wicked rich, she wouldn't be flying commercial.
Why does Sun want to kill Ben? Ben had nothing to do with Jin's death- that was all Widmore.
Hurley gets the MVP for this episode. Too many excellent one-liners! To Sayid: "Maybe if you ate more comfort food you wouldn't have to go around shooting people." Nice! Have a fry Sayid!
Another Hurley goodie "I need a cool code name!"
Sniper gets stabbed by dishwasher? That's a new one. I knew there was a reason you were supposed to load the dishwasher with knives pointed down, but never considered that reason.
So, if time is changing and they cannot change anything in the past, then how is Farraday contacting Desmond not changing the past? Does he mean that the future will correct itself to have the same results no matter what you do? Kind of like Desmond trying to save Charlie.
If island time keeps changing is it possible that current LOSTIES could interact with past LOSTIES if their timelines crossed? Trippy.
How often is the island time changing? Perhaps every 108 minutes? What if pressing the button really was saving the island for a while?
Why is Charlotte the only one having nosebleeds (just like Desmond did before he found his constant)? Very bad sign for her. Does everyone else have a constant?
Why isn't Richard (and the other others) experiencing the time travel like the Losties?
Locke has bad luck with his legs. Haven't they been through enough? The plane on the cliff/plane on the ground thing was trippy. I liked Richard's cameo though "What goes around comes around."
Also liked the Richard/Locke exchange about the compass "What does it do?"..."It points north."
Did you catch the compass connection? Remember when Richard visited Locke as a child and gave him several items to choose from and he was disappointed when Locke didn't pick the compass. Hmm....
How does Richard know that Locke has to die? Isn't he already dad. Is the stuff happening on the island not on the same timeline as the O6? So confused...
Sawyer had a few good one-liners too. I liked him banging on Desmond's door to get some beer and proclaiming he's "the ghost of Christmas past." Quite appropriate.
Why does Farraday say Desmond is "super special"? Because he's already travelled through time?
I'm not excited for Ana Lucia to reappear. Was that a crazy Hurley vision or is she really there? The comment about Libby was mean too. Why can't Hurley get arrested? Pretty sure that is destined to happen then. Was that the island talking to Hurley?
Hurley to passed out Sayid as he took money from his wallet "I promise to pay you back dude."
who doesn't heart Shih-tzus?
When Ben and Jack were in the hotel room, Ben got something out of the vent. What was it? Why do I feel like this whole "we have to go back" think is orchestrated by Ben...including fake dead Locke, the police who arrest Hurley, and the lawyers wanting a blood test for Aaron. All too fishy to me. I also still have a feeling he is responsible for Nadia's death too. You heard it first here folks!
Who is the client requesting the blood test anyway?
Also, Ben clearly dodged Jack's question about whether or not Locke is really dead. Nothing is ever as it seems.
Also not pleased with Nikki's audio cameo via Expose. Lame.
The whole scene between Hurley and his dad is worth replaying, but not nearly as good as when Hurley was trying to explain the whole island experience to his mom. The writers are genius!
" You killed 3 people?" "No, Sayid did." "Oh, well that's better."
Ben was #342 at the meat market- is that significant? Jill the butcher? Who is she? What does she have to do with all of this other than stashing dead bodies?
Also, Neil, the red shirt, is not technically new. After Season 4, they aired Mobil Episodes which contributed to the series and he starred in one episode. He apparently made frozen yogurt...hence, the Frogurt nickname from Sawyer.
Miles is pretty creative finding a recently dead boar. I hate his mustache so much though. Either grow a whole one or shave it off dude, no halvsies here!
Who in the heck was firing the fire arrows and threatening to cut off Juliette's hands? Others? Part of Rousseau's crew?
I would have enjoyed the Hot Pocket throwing moment more if Ben had given a Austin Powers like response "Who throws a Hot Pocket? I mean really?!"
Hurley getting arrested "However many are dead, I killed them"
What does Mrs Hawking (the watch/jewelry store lady) have to do with all of this and why does Ben only have 70 hours? What was that pendulum thing measuring? When the timelines will intersect?
Some people online are theorizing that the whispers we hear every once in a while are due to the time travel issue. It's the two times passing each other on the island.
Some are also saying that perhaps when Locke thought the island was talking to him that it was actually him talking to himself from another plane of existance on the island. um...you lost me.
Others online are predicting that Faraday's mom is Mrs. Hawking. Not sure what that theory is based on, though. Remember, Mrs. Hawking was also the judge in the island meeting to decide Juliet's punishment. Perhaps she is Jacob!
I liked the symbollism of Dr. Chang (Marvin Candle's) record player skipping over and over again...much like time on the island. Whoa...that's my big iNtuitive moment of the night.
That was A LOT to ponder in one season opener. I'm sure I missed plenty of details...Let the games begin....
Namaste!

[Frogadelic]

Lost what an eye opener.............just when I thought I had it figured out.........now I have to start adding to what I know from this season.

Time travel? Is Locke really dead? Do you really want to trust Ben? Who hired the lawyers to go after Kate and Aaron? How does Mrs. Hawkings tie in to all the stuff going on? Who is Richard Alpert really and how does he connect? Do the oceanic 6 really go back and if they do how do they find the island? What is the time frame once they are off the island? We know present day is 3 years but when did Locke go and talk to them about coming back and how did Locke supposedly die? How will Walt play into this season now that Michael is dead?

Those are just some of the questions that I am throwing out there for now and I am sure there will be many more before the end of the seaon.

I am anxious to see how they are going to play this seaon out. Instead of creating so many questions they need to start answering some questions.

[LostEmissary]

Okay, here is my next question:

IF Mrs. H/jewelry lady/NOT the judge I get it now thanks IF Mrs. H is Daniel's mom, and Daniel is using Desmond to get a message to her to help him, is it possible that Mrs. H is NOT on Ben's team, but is her own agent and went to Ben because he is the only one who can fix it?

Although, how would she know where to find him if she didn't know him?

I am confused.I thought Ben went to her, not vice versa.

[XxMayhemxX]

I'll agree with you on the Desmond part (he & Daniel are specially unstuck in time which allows them to change the details of the past) but do we know that Ethan didn't know who Locke was? it would explain the Others reaction to him once he joined them.

All this time travel to the past also seems to explain Ben's automatic reaction of looking at the sky when 815 crashed as though he was expecting it.


Forget the whole unstuck/time part... this is a Des from long ago.. and he's in the hatch all alone.. he has never met anyone from the island, from any time, except Kelvin..

Altho, he says, "do I know you?" which means he has a fleeting memory of going to see Daniel at Oxford in 1996, in The Constant...(altho he doesnt really remember that now)

And Ethan has no clue...he almost laughs when Locke mentions Ben...
I'm assuming they will have run-ins with other past ppl throughout the season... since this is only episode 1...

Remember the island just moved... the first ppl Locke meet are Ethan.. then Richard...so we are just at the beginning of the amount of ppl Locke can meet up with...but during THIS scene... THIS version of Ethan has no clue...

[grumpy]

I thought Ben went to her, not vice versa.
Ditto. Was she also the woman at the butcher shop?

[crazy4sawyer]

What if the wheel wasn't frozen when they were drilling to it? What if Faraday was there with that big canister to freeze it and make it stop spinning?

[truffula]

makes perfect sense... each time the island went into the past.. the island attracted a new plane or ship...
Yes yes yes. Now show me DANIELLE ROUSSEAU'S ship. I want the TRUTH dammit. and on that note.....
I still think that the arm people were Danielle's group. I think the flaming arrows were Richard's group.

Here's a question: Knowing that Widmore has been to the island before, is it possible that Danielle's group is actually connected to Widmore?

Think about it - her "science" team had military stuff and training tactics. She KNEW that Ben was lying, even though she claimed to have never crossed paths with the Others before.

Ben, Widmore, they have a long history. And I am more certain than ever that Danielle is not only tied to Ben's story, she is tied to Widmore.

How about them apples, Truff?
Them apples taste great. :D I never ever believed word ONE from the mouth of Danielle Rousseau, and now that the Island is doin it's time travel thingy, we WILL get the TRUTH about her. And I will revel in all its glory when we finally learn that she was totally NOT who she said she was and that whole story she gave was a crock.

Lost what an eye opener.............just when I thought I had it figured out.........now I have to start adding to what I know from this season.

Time travel? Is Locke really dead? Do you really want to trust Ben? Who hired the lawyers to go after Kate and Aaron? How does Mrs. Hawkings tie in to all the stuff going on? Who is Richard Alpert really and how does he connect? Do the oceanic 6 really go back and if they do how do they find the island? What is the time frame once they are off the island? We know present day is 3 years but when did Locke go and talk to them about coming back and how did Locke supposedly die? How will Walt play into this season now that Michael is dead?

Those are just some of the questions that I am throwing out there for now and I am sure there will be many more before the end of the seaon.

I am anxious to see how they are going to play this seaon out. Instead of creating so many questions they need to start answering some questions.
Welcome to the forums, Frogadelic!! :welcome:
That is one of the coolest screennames I've seen in a while.
A very wise choice, grasshopper. ;)
I'd love to try to answer some of your questions, but my brain is just about fried over here from all this insanity. And this was only the FIRST TWO HOURS.

Just wait til SWEEPS. :hyper:
If you thought this was nuts, get your brain explosion cleaning up supplies handy in the coming weeks.
You will need them. :D ;)

[LostEmissary]

Ditto. Was she also the woman at the butcher shop?Nope - just some other lady who's in Ben's "circle" or perhaps she is another true Islander (maybe born on the Island).

[LostEmissary]

What if the wheel wasn't frozen when they were drilling to it? What if Faraday was there with that big canister to freeze it and make it stop spinning?My guess - pure speculation - is that Faraday has figured out that the wheel must be turned (perhaps the other way) in order to fix all this time jumping stuff. The wheel is some kind of valve that can shut off the flow of time-screwing-up-juice.

[crazy4sawyer]

My guess - pure speculation - is that Faraday has figured out that the wheel must be turned (perhaps the other way) in order to fix all this time jumping stuff. The wheel is some kind of valve that can shut off the flow of time-screwing-up-juice.

Thanks for answering me. Do you think the time shifts slowed down? Or were managed some how? How would he be in that place at that time, dressed like the other workers, to do whatever it is that he is planning?

[billehmeg]

Well this scene here.. Ethan has no clue... I'm assuming they will have run-ins with other past ppl throughout the season... since this is only episode 1...

Remember the island just moved... the first ppl Locke meet are Ethan.. then Richard...so we are just at the beginning of the amount of ppl Locke can meet up with...but during THIS scene... this version of Ethan has no clue... Locke has just altered events already... meeting past ppl...

I absolutely agree with you on this one. but that's not to say that when Ethan infiltrates the camp later etc that he hasn't met Locke... which now he has... because of the time travel detail change... thing. I think my brain is overloading.

[ReitzPanther83]

But she is also the judge from the island that determined Juliet's punishment.

This is false. The judge or Sheriff from the island was not Mrs. Hawking. The kind of looked alike, but they were not the same person.

[LostEmissary]

Thanks for answering me. Do you think the time shifts slowed down? Or were managed some how? How would he be in that place at that time, dressed like the other workers, to do whatever it is that he is planning?Maybe the when that Daniel gets to the wheel doesn't matter. It only matters that he does get to it, at some point, and "shuts it off."

By that logic, he could make his way down to the wheel at any time he wants, it just so happened to be when they were building the Orchid station. It's also possible that he's found a way to calculate when the jumps are occuring and the "when" that they're jumping to, and thereby has waited for the right time when the wheel would be accessible via his little infiltration. Then he goes in, shuts off the wheel, which is perhaps some kind of nexus of all time and space, and is therefore "on" in all moments in the Island's past and future. When he shuts this key valve off, it seals off the effects of the time jumping.

Again, all purely speculation, but I think it's a fairly straightforward and, relatively speaking, uncomplicated way to look at it.

[greenback44]

So I guess Charlotte is getting a time-travel tumor because she was born on the island?

Aaron's special status could cause some problems then.

[LostEmissary]

So I guess Charlotte is getting a time-travel tumor because she was born on the island?I'm not sure how you're coming to that conclusion... it could just be that she's extra sensitive to the jumps or something.

Aaron's special status could cause some problems then.I don't really think he has a special status. I don't think being born on the island is the same thing as being an island native - which means you are a descendant and have the blood of an islander. Me being born in Japan wouldn't make me of Japanese descent.

[greenback44]

I'm not sure how you're coming to that conclusion... it could just be that she's [Charlotte] extra sensitive to the jumps or something.
Obviously it's speculation, but what else would make her extra sensitive? I don't think it's because she forgot to wear suntan lotion that day. The other two freighter folks and Juliet were nosebleed-free, as were the Oceanic survivors apparently.

[LostEmissary]

Obviously it's speculation, but what else would make her extra sensitive? I don't think it's because she forgot to wear suntan lotion that day. The other two freighter folks and Juliet were nosebleed-free, as were the Oceanic survivors apparently.Oh yes, it's for sure a possibility. And it's clear that she has some sort of connection with the Island, or perhaps has been there before, with the mysterious way she acted last season.

I just mean that we can't necessarily draw that conclusion.

[Otterjets]

Chinamom - you missed a music note....

Dream Police playing at the Gas station right after Hurley has a dream about being pulled over by the police...

Thought that was a funny little easter egg....