S2 EPISODE 4 THREAD 12-OCT-05: Everybody Hates Hugo

[cinderellabop]

This is the discussion thread for the next LOST episode, "Everybody Hates Hugo."

Please post all your episode comments, mini-reviews, as well as simple questions ("What did so-and-so say?" "What did so-and-so see?" "What song played at this scene?") regarding the episode.

Any new theories or big issues raised by the episode may be started on a new thread.

Enjoy the episode!

(Closing until just before the episode begins...)

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Episode Description:

Disturbing memories from Hurley’s past cause him to struggle with a task he’s assigned inside the hatch. Meanwhile Sawyer, Michael and Jin discover the identities of their captors, and Claire uncovers a shocking piece of information about the fate of the raft.

[skynfan]

figures everybody thought Hurley was gonna eat all the food
give the fat man a chance. LOL!!!:lol

[Aaron's Mum]

I was suprised that Ana Lucia was the leader. We all assumed Shaft was. I also think it is safe to assume that Shaft was in fact, on the flight - not the Nigerian drug runner. So "the others" killed them all, I am assuming. they must have been trying to explore more or got more aggressive etc. I wonder if there were any children in their group.

Im glad Hurley got to share the food! YAY. I was not suprised at all that Jin's English was in a dream. That's what I was assuming would happen.

[putigger]

dagnabit! I missed the first few minutes. What was Jin's dream about?

I'm not sure the other survivors were killed by the others. Maybe they got "sick." Heck, maybe their fellow survivors killed them the way Danielle killed her companions.

[Mazanzy]

I'm a little annoyed that some of us have been frozen out of the general discussion area (though I've read the reasoning behind it). But anyway...

that other "hatch" that Sawyer and company were led to - is it supposed to be one of the other 3 bases that were alluded to in the Hanso film? If so, I wonder why it looked abandoned and without any equipment/furniture/etc.

I need to re-watch the previews for next week...

[Aaron's Mum]

It was actually Hurley's dream. he was standing in the pantry and started pigging out. He ate candy, chips, drank milk, and then opened a box and there was a steak dinner sitting inside. Thats when I realized it was a dream. Then Jin is standing there and starts talking to him in English. I dont remember exactly what was said but they said Hello and then Hurley said "you are speaking english." "No, you are speaking Korean" was Jin's reply. then Hurley said somehting in Korean and when they showed Jin again, Boone wearing a chicken suit was standing next to Jin while Jin said "Everything is going to change" - the clip from last weeks preview.

There was a preview from next week that showed one of the tail-enders talking to our guys and telling them how dangerous they were etc. They showed flashes of slain bodies and a teddy bear hanging from a rope. I assumed they were talking about the others, but I suppose it could be Ana and her crew. I cant remember who was doing the talking though.

[Alimonkey85]

ugh. we get stuck in this gay board. Nobody's talking.

Kind of a boring episode, no cliffhanger at the end.

Was Sun burying that bottle to "bury" Jin or to keep the rest of the survivors hope alive?

Hurley's dream freaked me out.. i couldnt understand what was happening. Hurley was on Korean TV.. maybe he can speak Korean.. who knows.

[JRM]

Did anyone catch what Dharma logo was in this bunker? It looked to me like a cross, but it was in the background and far away.

[uhavemel]

Boone wearing a chicken suit

I don't think that was Boone. I thought it was Hurley's boss at Mr. Clucks.

[Drovvningman]

that other "hatch" that Sawyer and company were led to - is it supposed to be one of the other 3 bases that were alluded to in the Hanso film? If so, I wonder why it looked abandoned and without any equipment/furniture/etc.

yes, it's another Dharma station (big Dharma logo on the wall).

They've probably all been abandoned, except for the Swan. They had to maintain that one because of the computer/execute button deal.

[Drovvningman]

Kind of a boring episode, no cliffhanger at the end.

Everyone found out that Bernard is alive and that Rose was right!

That sounds like a cliffhanger to me.

[Andromana]

i'm willing to discuss some topics although I feel cut off I mean I am cut off from the main boards.

I thought the end with Bernard was great. I can't wait to see all the crap they had to go through when the other 48 days airs.

[likeadrug]

I thought it was Hurley's boss or friend too but my husband said no. It's the Indian guy from the Quickie Mart (or whatever) who says "That's the guy who won!" and then the camera crews all rush over to the van. I rewound and checked and it's him. That's when everything started changing for Hurley.

Kudos to those who said Rose's husband didn't have to be black!

[dreamfall]

Two episodes in, and I already hate Ana-Lucia. Sawyer's a jerk, and obnoxious, but Ana-Lucia reminds me of a dictator.

Am I the only one who wanted to smack her when she gave her little "you do what I tell you to, when I tell you to" speech? I was hoping Sawyer would be strong enough to smack her for me, but he can't even use his left arm right now. I doubt they'd ever show a guy getting a good hit at a girl anyways.

She knew Sawyer was in no state to fight back and she knew he was on the plane and wasn't one of the "others," she came across as being on a huge power-trip.

[truffula]

Kudos to those who said Rose's husband didn't have to be black!

And thank god it's NOT Samuel L. Jackson!! :rollin

[uhavemel]

Thanks for checking on that likeadrug.

[tampadelphian]

Locke should take faith lessons from Rose. She is the real anchor of this group. She has so much spiritual maturity that it's amazing.

[HokieStone]

Two episodes in, and I already hate Ana-Lucia. Sawyer's a jerk, and obnoxious, but Ana-Lucia reminds me of a dictator.

It didn't seem like the rest of the tail survivors were that fond of her. Both the other girl and "Shaft" seemed like they wanted to start conversations - Shaft even apologized to Sawyer. But Anna Lucia won't have it.

My guess - the Others started killing off the tail survivors and Anna Lucia is some kind of ex-military or police type(or heck, maybe not "ex"). She organized the survivors to resist the others, and she became the leader. She thinks the only way to survive is with a military-type chain of command and she's at the top.

[Homer Noodleman]

Rose is a stereotypical Plantation Mammie -- the writers should be ashamed of themselves with the way they've presented her.

[LostInWilderness]

This episode was kind of a wind-down, tweener episode. It showed us how the rest of the castaways will get drawn in to hitting the button (bribed by the food.) It was nice to see everybody happy.

It still had a significant twist with the tail section survivors being at war with somebody (yet another set of others no doubt.) And Hurley's crush was a babe!

[tampadelphian]

Shes a beautiful intelligent woman. Where do you see the "plantation mammy" thing?? I don't see it at all. And don't go playin' the race card on me---I just want to know what characteristics you are finding that give you that impression.

[Don 18]

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Am I the only one who wanted to smack her when she gave her little "you do what I tell you to, when I tell you to" speech? I was hoping Sawyer would be strong enough to smack her for me, but he can't even use his left arm right now. I doubt they'd ever show a guy getting a good hit at a girl anyways.

She knew Sawyer was in no state to fight back and she knew he was on the plane and wasn't one of the "others," she came across as being on a huge power-trip.
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I'm sure that they will develop her character. There is a reason for her acting the way she does --- maybe it has something to do with the loss of life in the tailaways camp.

[tampadelphian]

Yeah Don I agree with you there. The difference between the Ana Lucia here and the one in Jack's flashback is night and day.

[Homer Noodleman]

I'm white, so I'm not playing the race card. She comes across very cliched to me. The wise, long-suffering, bedrock of faith, older black woman is a stereotype that runs all the way back to the plantation mammie schtick. For God's sake, flesh her out and make her a modern woman instead of having her endlessly fondling her husband's wedding ring and mystically saying she knows her husband is alive. It is ridiculous.

Michael and Walt they handled well. She is embarassing to watch -- I expect her to start talking in Amos and Andy dialog any episode now.

[SignificantNames]

ever since rose said "they're probably thinking the same thing about us," i knew that the others in the tail end were still alive. and at first i thought that shaft was rose's husband, and then i heard his accent and changed my mind.

[MrsPeepers]

Yeah I could definitely do without Ana Lucia. Or maybe it's just Michelle ROdriguez herself. Who knows. Anyways, it looked like that hatch was all abandoned and run down... maybe the other hatches got sick and the swan is the only one left. Or maybe the "expirement" is over and no one told the people in the Swan. It's a little weird that there's been no communication or anything from Dharma besides the Old Video. You'd think that they'd check on them from time to time.

I was so pissed at Locke for telling Charlie. He was kind of having this "holier-than-thou" attitude in this one. Charlie himself was really grating, because he was just being rude!! No more sweet little Charlie.

The hatch is open, and everyone is changing. Coincidence? I would think not.

[HokieStone]

Up until this episode, we've seen her for about what - a total or 10 minutes or so? You're drawing a lot of conclusions from very little information. Who's to say they won't flesh out her background? And a a black woman can't have faith without being a "plantation mammy"? Were you angry that Arszt was stereotyped as a nerdy unsocial science teacher?

[tampadelphian]

Yeah, God forbid we have one "wise, long-suffering bedrock of faith" in the group. That's a sterotype I'd absolutely hate to be associated with.

"Modern Woman"? Ever think maybe we might need a little of that "old-fashioned" down n dirty traditionalism in the group? And God forbid she love her husband. Do you even realize how ridiculous you sound? Believe me, I'm not a rude guy, and I don't usually go out of my way to get into cyber-arguments over people I don't even know, but what you're saying is as biased as what you're accusing the creators of doing.

[SignificantNames]

michielle reminded me of her role in fast and the furious and her other movies... always the tough girl.

[MrsPeepers]

I'm ready to pull my hair out because it seems this season is starting off soooo sloooooow. Hopefully it will pick up soon!!!

GAAH!!

[tampadelphian]

who knows, Home might actually be a nerdy antisocial science teacher!!!

[K9Queen]

Well, for my first post, and seeing as how I am a lowly non-payer and even though I have spent the last few weeks trying to catch up on all the boards so that I don't post anything someone else has posted, I am going to start with one of the things I noticed that I have not seen mentioned on this board. When they asked about the tailenders numbers, of course what else would they say but "23". And so our numbers start croping up again.

I tend to agree with the wanting to smack Ana-Lucia's character. I am all for the strong woman leader role, but not the complete witch role.

I myself was actually surprised about Bernard and was actually smiling when he was so profoundly greatful to hear she was ok.

I, too, think that it is the "others" that have killed off most of the tailenders. Did anyone notice how many were left in the bunker? (I have DVR at home, but I am currently stuck on bedrest in the hospital and cant re-watch until Saturday). I think I saw that now there seem to be about 8 people left? Ana, "Shaft", Bernard, Libby(?), and I could have sworn I saw 4 o 5 others in the bunker.

I think Sun buried the bottle for both reasons. A small way of saying goodbye to Jin, but keeping the hope alive for the others.

Good episode IMHO. Didnt really learn much in the FBs except that being liked is very important to Hurley. So much so that he was willing to blow everything up to keep from being "hated". I am hoping in the next episode to see at least a glimpse or an idea of what has happened to Walt. He's been MIA for too many episodes now after having seen him in the backward talk Shannon appearance. I would love to know what is going on with him.

Thanks for letting me say hello and post. I love the show and I have read all most all of the older posts now that I could (except for spoilers) and like what I have seen, just dont have the money to be a supporter in the way of greenbacks. I hope to post more often now :D

[Homer Noodleman]

Oh, for God's sake -- yea, what was I thinking accusing Hollywood of trotting out cliches?

[anapigna]

Hi new to posting but i must confess to having been a lurker for the past month, but my absolute hatred for the character Ana Lucia has motivated me to get over my fear of being a newbie and finely post. dreamfall i could not agree with you more even the most hateable characters (Sawyer and Shannon, which by the way are my favorites) were no were near this nasty in there first few episodes, me and my mom were yelling at the t.v the whole time Ana was giving Sawyer her little “you do what i say” speech we were like who dose this little you no what think she is if Sawyer weren’t two step away from death he woulda kick her butt, she better redeem her self real soon or die real soon...o.k. done my rant, sorry, i read all the read me before you post thingies so i hope i don't get in trouble for such a long post...Oh and i love Rose i wish she was featured more!

[tampadelphian]

Cliches??

You mean like the

#1 Pregnant girl with the heart of gold
#2 Big lovable fat guy
#3 Drug addict reluctant rock star
#4 Studly Doctor who has 5 O'Clock shadow right after he shaves
#5 Bitchy blonde who's secretly a sweetheart

Need I go on?? This whole show is full of cliche'd characters. Learn to love it....

[Homer Noodleman]

Need I go on?? This whole show is full of cliche'd characters.

Ermm... so are you agreeing with now or what? Cause I gotta say this, pointing out all the other cliche's on the show to counter me objecting to the way they're presenting Rose as a cliche aint exactly taking a lot of wind of my sails.

[MTHeaded]

I personally like Rose...I think she is a breath of fresh air and a counter-balance. We already have too many "modern women"; Kate, killer and thief; Shannon, so self-absorbed and slutty; now Ana-Lucia, the poster girl for schoolyard bullies. Rose may be the grounding influence they all need. Just a nice lady who loves her husband. Flame away!

[Beckers1]

I found Rose the strongest character of the show when it started and I still think that.
God bless her spiritualism.
Someone needs to have it on this show. ;)
I'm glad it's her.

[tampadelphian]

Just exposing your "cliche" excuse as nonsense. Truth is, you can't stand a "traditional" woman, who is a quiet rock of faith (much like my wife of 13 years) who happens to {{{gasp}}} love her husband. Why didn't you complain about all of the other stereotypes in the show---because this is the one who shows the qualities you either don't like, or at the very least aren't comfortable with.

[Homer Noodleman]

Oh brother... jump to a conclusion or two or what? :rolleyes

Guess what, somebody can have a different opinion than yours without being Satan. Cool off ya loon.

[tampadelphian]

Whatever you say, you old-timey poster you.---or should I say.....SATAN!!!! :lol

[dbrasco444]

Some interesting points of discussion for tonight:

1. Walt was on the milk carton in Hurleys dream- read an interesting thread about walt projecting himself in peoples mind's

2. The tail survivors are getting killed off by something:
Others? Sickness? both? security system?

3. Tailies living in another hatch with another dharma symbol on it(arrow or tower cant tell fully) This one is abandoned however, looks trashed

4. Bernard is a white guy(black/white theme) and is alive

5. Why does Sun bury the bottle? She thinks Jin is dead?

6. Michael calls everyone "man" lol

[dreamfall]

I'm sure that they will develop her character. There is a reason for her acting the way she does --- maybe it has something to do with the loss of life in the tailaways camp.

Yeah, I know there's probably a reason for Ana-Lucia acting the way she does, but I still don't like it. She has no excuse for beating up Sawyer, she knew he wasn't there to hurt her or anyone else, and he was already injured. Badly.

Everyone on this planet acts the way they do for a reason. That doesn't justify beating someone whose only defense is a little stone that they can't even use because they've been shot in the shoulder. And she hit him when he wasn't even looking. That's like kicking a man when he's down (which she also did, by the way). That's just low.

[jaleta]

hello,

first-time poster here.

re: ana lucia/sawyer

ok, ana lucia is a tad dictatorial. but wasn't sawyer the one hoarding water and other supplies--water, medicine, etc.--early on in the last season? he wasn't very likeable in the begining either, was nasty to sayid and hurley. maybe it's just a case of the chickens coming home to roost, the (albeit former) bully getting a taste of his own medicine. i think ana's a little much, too, but really, it's only been one episode.

re: rose
i don't think her faith diminishes her at all, but it's a little irritating that on top of her maternal instincts toward everyone, and her religion, and the fact that she's older and full-figured, she was doing laundry--not just her own, but other people's. i can't believe they couldn't see that maybe all of those factors TOGETHER could trigger a mammy image. all they needed to do was have her humming a spiritual. they better not put a bandana on her head at any point in this show, i don't care how much the island heat makes sweat run down her forehead.

there's rarely a normal representation of a black woman on the major networks--we're oversexed, or appearing not to appreciate our men (in the case of michael and walt's mom, a complicated relationship regardless of color), "just black enough," or extremely maternal. not surprising, but irritating that the major networks still rarely get it right.

still, i like rose. i have (some) faith that her story will flesh out. she's still an interesting character, much more so IMO than, say, charlie :b

[tampadelphian]

You know what, Jaleta, you're right. That laundry thing is a bit over the top. I stand corrected.

[minnesotaadvocate]

You know what, Jaleta, you're right. That laundry thing is a bit over the top. I stand corrected.
I disagree. Maybe I'm naïve. I took the "lots of laundry" scene to be the catalyst that Hurley needed to bring Rose to the hatch. He was sworn to secrecy, even though everyone else was asking him about it. But he told Rose because she said she didn't need to know because it wasn't going to help her with the laundry. Hurley remembered the washing machine (large capacity!), so he told her.

[dreamfall]

ok, ana lucia is a tad dictatorial. but wasn't sawyer the one hoarding water and other supplies--water, medicine, etc.--early on in the last season? he wasn't very likeable in the begining either, was nasty to sayid and hurley. maybe it's just a case of the chickens coming home to roost, the (albeit former) bully getting a taste of his own medicine. i think ana's a little much, too, but really, it's only been one episode.

Yeah, but he doesn't go around beating people up. Usually he's just sarcastic and defensive, which are good qualities when compared to what Ana has shown us so far.

I can only remember Sawyer instigating one of the fights he's been in; the one at the beginning of the series when he accused Sayid of crashing the plane, which was a despicable thing to do. And he beat up Boone, which wasn't cool, but at least Boone was capable of defending himself, and neither of them had guns. They were more evenly matched.

And, Sawyer has hoarded supplies, but when Boone (who he'd been in a fight with previously) was seriously injured Sawyer handed over the medicine he had without a second thought. And when Hurley politely asked for the manifest Sawyer gave it to him without having to trade.

Sawyer isn't my favorite character (he teeters back and forth between likeable and unlikeable really) but I loathe Ana-Lucia already. It's going to take a lot for me to even feel neutral towards her.

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she was doing laundry--not just her own, but other people's.

I assumed they took turns doing the laundry, and it just happened to be Rose's turn.

I hate to sound completely ignorant here, but what exactly does "mammy" mean?

[Drovvningman]

Walt was on the milk carton in Hurleys dream- read an interesting thread about walt projecting himself in peoples mind's

good lord, it was just a joke from TPTB to the obsessed viewers

[LostBoy]

I thought this episode was pretty flat overall. Hurley's flashbacks didn't do much for his character. I wouldn't get worked up over whether or not Rose is a cliche or not, but she's not all that interesting a character. I'm somewhat interested in what's happening with the whole tail end survivor business.

[tampadelphian]

Lostboy...I think what makes the characters interesting is the flashbacks---and she hasn't had one. Now that the husband "surprise" is revealed, I imagine she'll become a lot more interesting, since she'll have her turn at the flashbacks.

[Jaffa420]

The biggest revelation for me was Hurley stating there was only enough food for one guy for 3 months?

This island s being restocked!!!!

[jackfalstaff]

good call on the three months thing...my response to that was a great big WTF. not because the first thing that came to mind was that the island was being restocked (i guess that's a possibility, but i'm reluctant to believe des was conning them), but because it's obviously not true. there's way more food in there than three months' worth for one guy.

i totally agree with what everyone's said about AL. what. a. bitch. i don't think the sawyer of earlier episodes was any better, but sawyer has improved since. AL is a just a tyrant on a power trip. i really, really hope we aren't meant to see her as a 'strong woman', because i don't want Lost to be another one of those shows that confuses that character type with 'bully'.

not sure what to say re: the plantation mammie thing. i can see how rose's character is a bit cliched, but no more than any other character, so i just don't have a problem with it. i don't think it's lazy or poor writing in the least -- how else is a middle-aged woman with no special skills SUPPOSED to be admirable, other than by being calm and comforting and steady?

[vermontseal]

First of all, why are we blocked from the general discussion area?? I've been reading/posting since mid-season last year!!!

Ana's a control freak bitch!!! Hate her. Did anyone notice the little somthin-somthin tween her and Sawyer in next week's preview. You remember when you were very young, you a
llways picked on the boy/girl in the schoolyard that you LIKED!! Great ep!! Notice Hurley's boss was named Randy. Also Locke's boss.
Amazing how Hurley held onto the tik til he had to fess up. He even went to work at his crappy job!!! No F N Way!!!

God I hate Ana!!!!!!

[thadigan]

I also think that is the most interesting thing of note...the pantry seemed fully stocked, and yet it only had 3 months supply. How long had Desmond been there? It's seemingly obvious Desmond was getting restocked.

[jackfalstaff]

You remember when you were very young, you a
llways picked on the boy/girl in the schoolyard that you LIKED!!

yeah, and i remember doing it in a spirit of fun, and knowing full well the difference between teasing and bullying.

if Lost is truly going to incorporate themes of society-building (as they've hinted at with names like locke and rousseau) they had better address the issue of a tyrant, and AL is the perfect candidate. not for some dumbass contrived island romance subplot.

[thadigan]

Hurley seems to have a serious thing against change, and he had it even before the numbers and bad luck. That's why he didn't tell anyone about the ticket "maybe I like my life" and didn't want things to change. Jin in the dream hit on a phobia of Hurley's.

[LostInWilderness]

It seems clear to me that the tail section survivors are at war with somebody. I would say some other others. Their demeanor and actions are those of a group of people at war.

[AceOfDiamonds]

Honestly, liked the episode. Didn't love it, and it's not even this season's best so far, but I really liked it. For one, I wasn't the least bit disappointed with Hurley's flashback scenes. Made sense with his character, and based on the episode title I'm beginning to suspect Hugo -- if he has a disorder -- is very much the paranoid type. He seems to suspect that everyone secretly despises him.

Also interesting to note that Hurley was debating the possibility of cashing in the lotto money -- it was an ethical question for him before he was even cursed. But if Hurley quit the job at the Chicken Mart before getting the lotto money, doesn't that infer that Hurley told a lie to Jack concerning a meterorite hitting the Clucky store?

This is actually the third straight episode in Season Two in which I've been pleasantly surprised with Locke's actions. I keep half-expecting him to perform some evil or manipulative deed, espesically after Season two's first episode cliffhanger. But so far he's assisted Kate in escaping from Desmond, gotten fleshed out and humanized in a very sympathetic flashback, and now he's really gone out of his way to ameilorate the concerns of Charlie. (I actually really appreciated Locke for doing that. The idea of Jack and a few others hiding the existence and importance of the hatch just stunk of rotten elitism.)

I didn't understand why Jin of all characters appeared in Hurley's dream. Found it funny and a bit surprising that Hurley's actually participating in entering the numeric code into the computer.

Bernard was perfect. Ana-Lucia is really disagreeable, and unless she's very well fleshed out in her first flashback episode, I will probably end up disliking her. Sawyer, on the other hand, is becoming more and more likable by the minute. Used to hate the guy, now I'm one of his biggest fans. Kudos to him for sticking up against the bitch.

[DJ Qube]

After Hurley asks the girl selling headphones (Starla??) out, him and skinny guy are shown walking away at the end of the scene. Behind them and most likely intentionally out of focus is a girl who looks alot like Shannon. She's even wearing a short pink jacket like the one she was wearing in Season 1 EP 1 during the crash scene. Did anyone else catch that? Were Hurley and Shannon originally from the same area?

[LoStMyMiNd]

#1 Hurley didn't want to tell anyone about his winning the lottery because he wanted everyone to like him for who he is instead of for his money

#2 I sincerely hope that TPTB do not continue with making Ana such a bitch and bully, who takes pleasure in beating up men. That would be a real downer

#3 Rose's character is strong and comforting. She is truly a subtle leader in the fact that if she had not convinced Hurley to stand up to Jack about the food, that all the food would have been blown up by now. I do not see a stereotype in Rose's character, possibly just the opposite.

I thought the scene with Bernard was touching and it made me cry. Great acting.

[a2jward]

Sayid saying the only time he heard of anyone pouring that much concreate was at Chernobyl. Is whats behind that wall going to be the hatch of season 2?

Sun buried the bottle so everyone else doesn't lose faith that the boaties are going to get them rescued.

What is going on with the Tailers. Like a previous poster said they are either at war or are being hunted.

Hurley saying there is only 3 months of food and this is the only way? Could mean the island is being resupplied or Hurley has a plan. Maybe Hurley decided to throw a big party and then start rationing it to suppliment there fish and fruit diet.

Best ep eva




This board will be migrating soon this board has just goten to big for ez-board. Can a mod sticky the post in GD about the boards finicial situation and plans to fix it. I mean can you sticky the thread to any thread people aren't locked out of.

[traveling wilbury]

it's not shannon.

here is an image.. pic (http://lost-media.com/modules/coppermine/albums/ep-caps/season2/2x04-hugo/4a/hugo-cap364.jpg).

[candice22]

heres another one of those weird symbol things. Must be another station

http://www.website-reviewer.com/freehost/lost/1.jpg

[Gumballr11]

I thought the tailenders being in another hatch as one of the most interesting points - and lets face it, there hatch looked like it had been through hell. No fun time Hurley food there to dish out.
Maybe someone didn't press there button.

And if the tailenders died I wonder what they died from? Could it be -
1) danielle disease
2) killed of by the others
3) or ran away from that bitchface Ana-Lucia.

[LostMyWetsuit]

I'm just gonna put in my $.02 now...

1. Charlie was really getting on my nerves last night, he had the whinyness of Michael without the yelling or the reason. All I can say is if he's going to keep up with this, he needs to get back to the heroin or get his a$$ beat by Ana-Lucia.
2. Sawyer was driving me nuts with his pacifism, I just cant see a bullet wound being the only reason he would let AL beat up on him like that.
3. Michael - same as always, more angry yelling crazy man. Just let him get Walt back so he can use his inside-a-twelve-foot-deep-pit voice more.
4. Rose - I disagree, I don't see the stereotype that well, and I think we will see a really influential character coming from her, if she keeps on with the way she's going. Seriously, she talked Hurley out of blowing up the food locker, I'd probably have blown it up anyway, just to see the boom.
5. Kate - woo-hooooo more shower scenes. Sorry, but the Jack didn't look angry, nor surprised, kind of like he expected it. Although Kate is starting to become a little more manipulative. I like it.
6. Jack - not much here, he's just Jack, although, I see him and Kate together, more than I see him and AL, and I think the show may be going back that way.
7. Sayeed - once again, a genius doomsayer. AWESOME
8. Hurley - Rocks, awsome character development
9. Everyone else - nothing much to say except...
10. Ana-Lucia - dear god will someone throw that woman off a cliff, she needs to get off her psycho power trip, I like seeing Michelle Rodriguez like that in some of her movies, except, this show does not need that kind of character, there better be a really good reason for her agression issues, like the others murdered half her group and more crazy stuff, I dont like her, although, I think if she could stop whupin up on Sawyer long enough to talk, I have a feeling, she'll be his new crush.

over all a great tweener episode, a lot of stuff put in there some little questions answered and a nice calm stabilization episode, kinda 'heres whats going on, life is calming down once again' thing, oh yeah, and claires kinda cute without the whole baby thing.

Cherynoble??? uh oh.

[AnchowerMadness]

AL: Love to hate her :) You know we're supposed to, right? I loved the smirk she gave Sawyer when he threatened to kill her next time she hit him.

Sun burying the bottle: I agree with whoever said it was a little of both burying Jin and hiding it from the rest of the survivors to keep their hopes alive.

Chernobyl: I doubt whatever is behind the cement is radioactive; Desmond would have been dead, or at least exhibiting signs of radiation poisoning. I had a dream last night in which it was a tunnel leading to another one of the Dharma bunkers, but was sealed off for whatever reason by the residents of the Swan bunker. Doesn't explain the magnetism though.

Hurley flashback: Didn't do much for me. I was hoping we'd get to see why he was in the mental hospital.

[DiamondDuste]

As for the Chernobyl reference:

If it is a cement wall to hold off radiation, it could be electromagnetic radiation. You can still get radiation sickness from that.

[Spac3d]

I am still thinking that there is some sort of nuclear testing that went on at the island ... which has caused the magenetisim on that section of it. It seemed fairly elaborate underneath with a lot of pipes. Radiation could explain the sickness too ....


What was Hurley's plan with the food? Let everyone have 1 item they wanted? I am confused.

I also think it is interesting the contraste between the two camps. Jack and Locke may argue a little, but it is usually in pretty good agreement. These "tailaways" seem to argue non stop and can't agree on anything. They are also huddled underground, for protection?


Very, very different lives.

[yennyb]

I personally LOVED this episode. Not every ep has to be this big relevatory moment or cliffhanger.

This ep was just fleshing out more character development which I personally love.

I thought Hurley's scenes were so funny and sweet. He is such a likable character. I thought it was hysterical how he and Johnny were singing the one hit wonder by driveshaft and neither of them could get the lyrics correct!

I also liked how they showed us more flirting between would be couples i.e. Jack and Kate, Charlie and Claire. You can really start to feel the sexual tension between these couples which I think they'll start to realize soon, hopefully!

One thing: How the hell did Claire lose her pregnancy weight so fast! Dammit, I had my baby 7 months ago and my belly still aint flat like that!

[DiamondDuste]

I think Hurley's plan was to let everyone have the one thing they wanted inside the hatch...

That way there wouldn't be anyone trying to hit him up for anything in case they had to ration the food.

[MorinkhanMT]

Just to answer to all the people who have a big hate-on for Ana-Lucia...

The island experiences for the lostaways and the tailaways have been vastly different.

From what we've seen so far, the tailaways have:
- survived a plane crash...
- then lost maybe half their initial numbers
- been attacked at least once by someone/something (Others? Monster?)
- been living underground (forced into it?)
- been forced into taking/guarding prisoners
- apparently haven't had all any "luxuries" like the lostaways
- etc

Whomever ended up assuming the leadership of the tailaways would have been forced into the role of War General, with the safety of the group as the top priority. This person would probably have had to make a lot of tough decisions.

Imagine if the same scenario had occurred with our Lostaways. The leader (probably not Jack btw) would be highly suspicious and militant too.

Ana-Lucia hasn't been onscreen more than a few scenes yet. We have almost no explanations yet about what happened to the tailaways and what has made them as desperate as they are.

Most also seem to be forgetting that one of the show's greatest strengths to date has been character development... more specifically, portraying a character one way, then using flashbacks to show them in an entirely different light.

Give her some time. =)

[DiamondDuste]

MorinkhanMT is right. Even though Ana Lucia got on my nerves last night, there is a reason she is acting the way she does.

The Tail Section survivors have probably been through all sorts of hell. "The Others" have probably had an easy time picking them off, and it looks as if those survivors found a hatch/research station that wasn't stocked and loaded like Desmond's was. Even though Ana Lucia now knows that Michael, Jin, and Sawyer were on the plane, she still can't trust them... especially since Sawyer had the gun. We all know how they got the gun from the Marshall and everything, but to Ana Lucia, she couldn't afford the time to ask any more questions.

Also, this is going to be a dynamic that will really get good if and when the tail section survivors meet the main survivors. You will have two leaders - Jack and Ana Lucia - with vastly different styles. Throw Locke into that equation, and well, you'll have some fireworks.

[yingyang]

Hurley's numbers....

He got them from a friend while in the mental institution.

I have a feeling that friend was Desmond's parter or one of the people that was part of the Dharma Initiative.
He went crazy after having to push the button every 108 minutes.

Also....the CD Hurley pick's up in the music store is the name of Charley's band.....Drive Shaft. Got to love those little things.

[Mazanzy]

I read somewhere once that ABC intende "Lost" to be a "Survivor"-type drama, so I wonder if the huge difference between the two groups of castaways is meant to illustrate the contrast of each group, giving their respective circumstances:

Castaways: Have a doctor; now have food; crashed on a certain side of the island (away from the "sickness?" Danielle was also quite far away from the beach)

Tailaways: All we know of them is their antagonistic and paranoid characteristic, and the African man's primal-looking dress...they've clearly had a different experience there, and it shows in their actions.

I can't wait to hear about their 40+ days there!

[DJ Qube]

No, not the girl looking with the purse to Hurley's right. The girl appears about 3 seconds after that, behind Hurley. She walks on screen as the camera starts getting out of focus. I immediately thought of Shannon when I saw her.

[LostMyWetsuit]

well, I'll have to say, Michelle Rodriguez can slug meanyday, although I think AL just needs a great big hug.:D

[llywrch]

I have to agree with MorinkhanMT about Ana Lucia: in the scenes of her that we've seen, her actions are justified. And I'd add to the reasons Morinkhan listed the fact that his fellow castaways likely still don't trust Sawyer. Michael wasn't that kind to him in their scenes in "Adrift" & note Michael's comment "We're friends now?" when AL tells him to climb out of the hole. Until Jin learns more English, whatever he thinks is not relevant.

We're all more sympathetic to Sawyer than the characters on this show because we know about him than they do; so far, only Jack (& maybe Kate) might actually trust him. (I hope Jack does -- cause Sawyer's definitely needs a doctor because of that arm.)

Geoff

[llywrch]

Actually, Hurley's FB did a lot: it developed how the theme of change affects his character, something foreshadowed in his comment in last week's episode about "things getting back to normal". The FB in that earlier episode also touched on that theme; sadly Michael's FB in "Adrift" failed to do a satisfactory job with that task.

People who watch Lost only with the aim of unravelling the mystery of the island are bound to get frustrated & lose interest in the show. The writers are not going to reveal everything in one episode, or even one season, & they make too many factual errors to reward close study of every peculiarity. I prefer to spend my time comparing & contrasting the various plot elements in the episode -- for example, how the flashbacks relate to the current action or character dynamics -- & find my enjoyment that way.

Geoff

[billehmeg]

Right so techincally i'm a lurker but i've decided to come out of lurkdom for this ep. First off:
Ana-Lucia: I'm sure she's just a horrid witch because she's had to take on this leader role in her group where everybody is getting sick (which i think more plausable) or picked off by the others (why would they want to pick them off for no reason?). Still doesn't make me dislike her any less.
Hurley: I thought it was a great ep to show why he acts how he does. He's seemed to put a lot of emphasis on getting back to normal and having things calm down thoughout the entire series. I think it'd be no surprise if he was in the institution because he freaked out over something big that happened and did something stupid/strange. (a kind of blowing up the food incident.)
Charlie: a lot of people have been saying how much they hated him in this ep but I loved it. I was getting sick of just seeing Charlie play daddy to Aaron and not doing anything. It was about time he stepped up and got in on the hatch stuff. Now i didn't like how he freaked out at Hurley over not getting peanut butter for Claire at first, but i think that was more for Hurley's story during the show than anything. I also liked how Locke told Charlie about the hatch and everything, mainly cause I've been waiting for that pair to team up again since early last season.

Over all i thought it was a fairly good episode. I was yelling at the TV at several moments which is always a good sign. I wonder where Desmond went? i mean really he can't get that far off the island. And what of Danielle? is she just back in hiding? I hope we can see what happened to loose ends in the future, perhaps the Tailaways encountered their own Ethan (or Ethan himself) at some point? Also whats happening with the other stations would be good to know, maybe this one has to do with the polar bears? alright i'll stop rambling now

[170n]

That symbol looks like an arrow. station 2 - the arrow

[DaBadGuy]

When Sayid mentioned Chernobyl and the pouring of concrete, I don't think he was referring to nuclear power or radioactivity as much as he was referring to the covering up of a huge catastrophic accident. That's how I took it anyway.

[MrsPeepers]

what exactly happened at chernoyble? my dad said that it was back in the day, like the 60's or something. i'm kind of tired of listening to michael yell... it would be nice to have him shut up for a while.

in the preview it showed sawyer kind of flirting with AL... gorry wouldn't that be a match made in heaven. i'm done with all the sexual tension, i want charlie and claire to kiss or kate and jack hook up or something!! and i also want to see what else is going on with sayid and shannon's little thing.

and where has danielle been? maybe she went in hiding because she was ashamed... i dunno. so many questions.

and just because hurley told jack that his work got hit by a metorite doesn't mean that it was a lie... we just havn't seen that yet. his bad luck doesn't start till hes found out. obviously he has just gotten out of the psych ward where he heard the #s and decided to play the lottery. so much more going on than what we see..

[traveling wilbury]

do you guys think that maybe the reason the tailends are losing people is because they have resorted to cannabilism? they may not have found food so easily, and resorted to killing the weakest.

just something me and my friend thought about.

[LoveRiot]

Question.

How were you guys able to post in this thread after the episode? When I tried to get into this board, I was taken to a screen about EZsupporters.

Could someone please explain how to get into this thread after episodes, please.

Thanks.

[LoveRiot]

Can someone help me out here?

I seem to remember Danielle saying that the Tower was run by "the others". Was that in Solitary? Does anyone remember?

Anyway, that logo in the tailenders section looks like a tower. So I'm getting the impression that they have been in direct conflict with "the others"

[The Swan]

In Solitary Danielle does say "they" have a tower near the black rock. By "they" i assume she is talking about the Others

[LoveRiot]

In Solitary Danielle does say "they" have a tower near the black rock. By "they" i assume she is talking about the Others

I forgot about the transcripts! I went back to the Solitary transcripts and found this. Was it in another episode about the tower, or am I just making suppositions? I think I'll go look through the Exodus transcripts.

Sayid

What is this place? Those batteries. They wouldn't be able to produce enough power to transmit your distress call all these years.

Rousseau

I broadcast from somewhere else. But they control it now.

Sayid

They?

Rousseau

You. And the others like you.

Sayid

I don't know who you think I am, I've already told you I'm notŠ

[The Swan]

The interesting thing about that is when Danielle says "they" control it now. If that is the case then why would the Others continue to broadcast her transmission for 16 years??
Are they hoping someone would hear it and come torescue them?? Is it a trap to lure people to them??

[ptegan]

>what exactly happened at chernoyble? my dad said that it was back in the day, like the 60's or something.


Your Dad said what?

1986. The World's worst nuclear power accident happened in the Ukraine.

[LoveRiot]

Quoting myself here:

I seem to remember Danielle saying that the Tower was run by "the others".

In Solitary, Danielle says, I broadcast from somewhere else. But they control it now.

In Numbers,
Danielle [lowering her rifle]

Our ship picked up a transmission, a voice repeating those numbers. We changed course to investigate. After we shipwrecked my team continued to search for the transmission source. It was weeks before we found the radio tower.

Hurley

There's a radio tower on this island?

Danielle

Yes, up by the black rock. Some of us continued to search for the meaning of those numbers while we waited for rescue. But then the sickness came. When my team was gone, I went back up to the tower and changed the transmission.

~~~~
Don't know what it all means, other than the tailaways might be very near the Black Rock and Tower, to be in regular conflict with the "others"

[Jersey Devil]

Well, what if in Solitary Danielle was refering to Ana Lucias group? What if they arrived and controlled the transmission point? Maybe Danielle saw Ana Lucias group and thought that they where "the others". So she started killing the survivors from the tail section and they tried to defend themselves.

What do you guys think about this?

[BRENT89]

poured concrete

They actually did pour tons of concrete at Chernobyl to seal
it off.

[Dharma108]

By the looks of the tailee's they've been there a while. Possible theory might be extricated that they're all from the same plane but it landed actually years ago for that group. That then could give credence to the tailee's being the others that Danielle is calling "them"...