The NFL Thread Pt. II

[TheBigCat]

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The Patriots were ripped off by only getting a second round pick. Who cares if Cassel was a seventh round pick. Tom Brady was a sixth round pick. They could have gotten more.

I'm sure they shopped him, considered all offers, and took the best one going. I think to say they got "ripped off" is an overstatement. You don't see a lot of people getting second round picks, even the 2nd or 3rd pick of that round, for a backup QB. I think they got great value. Cassel is no Brady. He had a nice year, but the stink during last year's training camp was that he may not even make the team. The Pats liked Kevin O'Connell from SD St. a lot. It will be interesting to see how Cassel handles playing on a team that where he is not surrounded by players who are used to winning Super Bowls.

I guess they should've held out for Tony Gonzalez?

I guess the addition of Cassel to the deal bums you out more?

This is a great deal for the Pats. They need to get younger at LB, and Vrabel was the only older guy with value. Think about it, the Pats parlayed a 33 yr. old LB and a 7th rd./backup QB for a HIGH second rd. pick.

I loved Vrabel, too. He's going to be a head Coach someday. The Pats realize it's time to retool.

I would not underestimate the Baker signing. It frees Watson up, like when they had Dan Graham.

Gaffney? The system made him, not vice versa. Quick, name one former Pats WR since Brady who has left and actually equalled his output with another team. You can't, it doesn't exist. Branch-nothing, givens-less than nothing, Patten-OK, but not as good, Stallworth- you get the point. We'll pick up someone and plug them in just fine, it's only a #3 reveiver.

I'll grant you Gaffney, soup, but honestly, you are an extraordinary optimist to call this a great deal for the Pats. The one thing we got out of last season was trade bait for this season, and we gave it away! CASSEL and VRABEL for pick # 34????? Is Scott Pioli really smarter than Bill Belichick?

I'm reeling, really. I never doubt the Patriots, but this is devastating. We don't need to rebuild quite this much. If we're going to dump salaries, we should be out signing, and the Pats haven't gone after any major names with intensity yet.

Sorry, but Pats Nation is miserable today.

I'll grant you Gaffney, soup, but honestly, you are an extraordinary optimist to call this a great deal for the Pats. The one thing we got out of last season was trade bait for this season, and we gave it away! CASSEL and VRABEL for pick # 34????? Is Scott Pioli really smarter than Bill Belichick?

I'm reeling, really. I never doubt the Patriots, but this is devastating. We don't need to rebuild quite this much. If we're going to dump salaries, we should be out signing, and the Pats haven't gone after any major names with intensity yet.

Sorry, but Pats Nation is miserable today.

One thing I do know is that teams that spend a ton of money in FA's don't tend to win the following year. When's the last time the Redskins were actually a threat to win the Super Bowl with Snyder spending billions?

Pick #34 is high value. What exactly did you expect for Cassel? A first round pick? Don't you think if the Pats could have gotten a better pick, they would have?

They do need to retool, especially at LB. They were way too old and slow. Bruschi has no value outside NE (sad to say) and hasn't been the same the last couple years. Mayo is ready to bust out, AD is coming back, I say the Pats draft some more defense help and pluck some more vets like Taylor for supporting roles.
Noone was trading us a 1st Round pick for Cassel, that's a fact. We tend to get sentimental toward our championship heroes and hang on to the memory too long (ala the Celts of the eighties).

We don't need major names with intensity, because we have a solid core on D. We need to keep improving LB and CB, maybe O-line, too. You'll see, this won't flesh out until the season, but, unless they pull a Chad Jackson fiasco again, this will be a nice move. What is the proof that Cassel will even be that great in KC? Remember the league has a long history of teams trading for fledgeling backups who we think are on the verge (Rob Johnson, Matt Schaub) who don't always pan out.

Pats Nation is miserable today.

Music to my ears. :)

Remember the league has a long history of teams trading for fledgeling backups who we think are on the verge (Rob Johnson, Matt Schaub) who don't always pan out.

Say what you will about Rob Johnson but ya can't take that Super Bowl ring off his finger. ;)

Say what you will about Rob Johnson but ya can't take that Super Bowl ring off his finger. ;)

He'd have ended up with another if Wade Phillips had played Doug Flutie INSTEAD of big, bumbling Rob in the "Music City Miracle" wild-card game...a travesty I still can't forget.

Here's the url of the old thread for anyone wishing to reference any posts: http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7892

[Tater]

*ahem*

Lions and Chiefs in the next Super Bowl!!!!!!!! :lmao:

[Tater]

Ohhhh..... I know somebody who will be happy!

*coughcoughBuckycough*

Housh to the Seahawks!

[TheBigCat]

Didn't want to post anything for fear of jinxing it. Was out and about today, stopped in at a store in between busses, ran into an old friend who was working the til there. He was reading the morning paper and the article was about the huge welcome wagon that the Vikes laid out for Housh over the weekend. Thing was, the Vikes laid out the fancy spread but the Hawks laid out the moolah.

To make up for letting Rocky Bernard slip away to the Giants on free agency (enjoy, Emi) they signed former Pack DL Colin Cole. That's the first defensive free agent signing for the team in almost two years. Expect more.

[Tater]

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

(The Cowboys): Hey T.O.! Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out!!!!!!!!

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

[TheWatcher]

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

(The Cowboys): Hey T.O.! Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out!!!!!!!!

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
seriously:rolleyez: they need to kick Wade to the curb as well...even the Redskins won't touch TO!

[vincentstuntdbl#23]

Ya know the Steelers wouldn't let him near their practice squad.
We already got a great receiver who shows up to play everyday & doesn't complain.

[soup]

No good team in their right mind would actually sign him and his alligator arms.

Chargers are just desperate enough and on the cusp. When Vincent Jackson is your best WR, you know you need help. Then he and LT can sit together and pout.

[Mysterious Mike]

The most logical place for T.O. to land would be Oakland. I still think he has some very productive years left but his reputation isn't gonna let him play where he wants.

A wildcard guess for his next stop could be Chicago , the Bears have nothing to lose on offense and they have some good team leaders in place.

[soup]

The most logical place for T.O. to land would be Oakland. I still think he has some very productive years left but his reputation isn't gonna let him play where he wants.

A wildcard guess for his next stop could be Chicago , the Bears have nothing to lose on offense and they have some good team leaders in place.

The Bears are lacking one thing TO will cover: a quality QB. By quality, I mean an arm with some length to it's throws.

[Peggy Sawyer]

The Ravens or New Orleans. He can't come to the Pats; he'd have to let Randy Moss be the only number 81.

[Brian]

The most logical place for T.O. to land would be Oakland.

He won't go there because when Vick ends up there, he'll never throw the ball to him.

[TheBigCat]

Vick and Owens in Oakland? That would be a marriage made in heaven.

[/sarcasm]

[Brian]

That's just the type of repository Oakland has become. Honestly, I don't know who'd I'd wish those two upon. I don't think I dislike anyone that badly.

[Tater]

That's just the type of repository Oakland has become. Honestly, I don't know who'd I'd wish those two upon. I don't think I dislike anyone that badly.

*raises hand*

I dislike the Pats that badly. :D

[Peggy Sawyer]

Honestly, I don't know who'd I'd wish those two upon. I don't think I dislike anyone that badly.

*raises hand*

I dislike the Pats that badly. :D

Feel free to wish Owens on New England. Teams won't be able to continually double-team Owens and Moss. Me want. :itmdrool:

[soup]

Feel free to wish Owens on New England. Teams won't be able to continually double-team Owens and Moss. Me want. :itmdrool:

Tater, don't hate, admiiiiire.

Peg, it'll be a cold day in hell. Anyone who thinks Moss is as bad as TO isn't paying attention. TO is the ultimate "me" guy. He wouldn't get past the security guard at the Razor.

[waltisagiant]

Tater, don't hate, admiiiiire.

Peg, it'll be a cold day in hell. Anyone who thinks Moss is as bad as TO isn't paying attention. TO is the ultimate "me" guy. He wouldn't get past the security guard at the Razor.

Owens is a me guy but he busts his ass more than "I play when I want" Moss. T.O. would run circles around R.M.'s work ethic. I should Know I'm a 49er fan who hates T.O. but knows the truth.

[soup]

Randy works just fine for us. He blocks, he doesn't take workouts off.

T.O. has disrupted every team he's been on. Moss was disruptive on a team that had no leadership. TO was in good situations, strong coaches, talented QB's (Randy can't say he had that in Oakland) and has still blown things up. He can hang out with Bonds and they can sympathize with each other "Why won't anyone sign me?"

The thing is, we should all like TO. He stays out of trouble, no drugs or bad habits. From all indications, he is amodel citizen, even a potential role model. Something happens to him within the team dynamic, though.

[TheWatcher]

Enter Al Davis..."the greatness of the Radiers...":rolleyez:

[Tater]

Randy works just fine for us. He blocks, he doesn't take workouts off.

T.O. has disrupted every team he's been on. Moss was disruptive on a team that had no leadership. TO was in good situations, strong coaches, talented QB's (Randy can't say he had that in Oakland) and has still blown things up. He can hang out with Bonds and they can sympathize with each other "Why won't anyone sign me?"

The thing is, we should all like TO. He stays out of trouble, no drugs or bad habits. From all indications, he is amodel citizen, even a potential role model. Something happens to him within the team dynamic, though.

Maybe because he is a me-me-me big crybaby?

I don't care how well oiled a machine the Pats are or how "good" :rolleyez: a coach Bellicheat is... if any one man can bring a team down and screw up any chemistry on the field, it's T.O.

T.O. and Moss on the same team is a complete meltdown just waiting to happen.



:rotfl: @ He can hang out with Bonds and they can sympathize with each other "Why won't anyone sign me?"

[TheWatcher]

Maybe because he is a me-me-me big crybaby?

I don't care how well oiled a machine the Pats are or how "good" :rolleyez: a coach Bellicheat is... if any one man can bring a team down and screw up any chemistry on the field, it's T.O.

T.O. and Moss on the same team is a complete meltdown just waiting to happen.



:rotfl: @ He can hang out with Bonds and they can sympathize with each other "Why won't anyone sign me?"
yeah, but ya know whats sick? ...someone will sign them..for millions of dollars and then the whole thing will start all over again...

...and can you even imagine Moss and TO on the same team...TO giving his crying "thats my quarterback" speech cause Brady is off in Mexico with his supermodel wife...and Moss is being booked for assualt...That really would be priceless.

[soup]

Maybe because he is a me-me-me big crybaby?

I don't care how well oiled a machine the Pats are or how "good" :rolleyez: a coach Bellicheat is... if any one man can bring a team down and screw up any chemistry on the field, it's T.O.

T.O. and Moss on the same team is a complete meltdown just waiting to happen.

Why the eye roll?

We agree, then, to the T.O. point, and the Pats machine greatness. Good. I'm satisfied.

[vincentstuntdbl#23]

How 'bout the Cheatriots get both Ocho Stinko & TO.
That way they can have 3 WRs that'll drop the ball & whine bout not getting the ball enough. ;)

[soup]

How 'bout the Cheatriots get both Ocho Stinko & TO.
That way they can have 3 WRs that'll drop the ball & whine bout not getting the ball enough. ;)

So the contention is that Bill Belichick is a cheater because he had cameras set up in areas they weren't supposed to trained on coached signalling in plays? OK, fine. Why? "Well, becuase it's against the rules."

So, if a coach holds more practices than the league allows, gets caughts, and forfeits a draft pick as punishment, then I guess that coach is a "cheater", too, becuase he "broke the rules." Right?

Anyone want to guess who that coach was?

Bill Cowher, Pittsburgh Steelers

NFL teams that use hand signals tend to send in 2-3 different sets, with one person being the "hot" caller. Anyone who thinks Bill was going in at halftime, dissecting over one half hour of tape and getting an advantage in the second half is, well, I shouldn't say.

[TheBigCat]

So, if a coach holds more practices than the league allows, gets caughts, and forfeits a draft pick as punishment, then I guess that coach is a "cheater", too, becuase he "broke the rules." Right?

Anyone want to guess who that coach was?

Bill Cowher, Pittsburgh Stealers

Fixed

[vincentstuntdbl#23]

Actually from what I've found is this:
The Steelers know something about such penalties. On two occasions they have lost third-round draft choices for minor violations of NFL rules. They were caught wearing shoulder pads at minicamp in 1978 and lost a pick in the 1979 draft. They were found in a minor violation of the salary cap and lost a pick in the 2001 draft.That's a far cry from what the pats were doing.
If I was commish.
I would've made 'em forfeit any game there was evidence of taping & banned belicheat.

[Brian]

If you're not cheating, you're not trying and if you're getting caught, you're not trying hard enough.

[TheBigCat]

I don't buy that.

[Brian]

Well, it's said with a bit of tongue in cheek.

However, I hope no one here is naive enough to think that only the Pats, or Steelers, are the only ones doing stuff like this. That's not to say everyone is cheating, because I don't believe that, but I also don't believe it's an isolated incident.

[Peggy Sawyer]

Questionable competitive-advantage tactics go way back (read Al Davis' seventies Raiders, Jimmy Johnson's Dolphins, etc), which is why I think BB construed it as old-school "gamesmanship" rather than cheating. Mangini himself had cameras in areas of Gillette without permission, the story goes, and there's been heat issues in the RCA Dome in Indianapolis when the Pats have played there. At any rate, only in this ESPN era could Spygate have become the scandal it became...incredibly overblown.

[soup]

Actually from what I've found is this:
That's a far cry from what the pats were doing.
If I was commish.
I would've made 'em forfeit any game there was evidence of taping & banned belicheat.

It was simply the most overblown case of "holier than thou" types finding a chink in bill's armor and trying to take him down. Did you notice any other coach, besides fat wussy Mangini, complaining about it? No, because they know it's just not that big of a deal. You realize it's not against the rules to tape opposing coaches? They just did it from non-designated area. I admit, when such football scholars as Joey Porter come out and biotch, blaming their own inadequacies on this, it makes me wonder.

[Tater]

Why the eye roll?

*shrugs*

Just pure disdain for Bellicheat and the Pats. :D

We agree, then, to the T.O. point, and the Pats machine greatness. Good. I'm satisfied.

Perfectly agreed.

If you're not cheating, you're not trying and if you're getting caught, you're not trying hard enough.

If you ain't cheatin', you ain't tryin'.

Isn't that an old NASCAR saying? ;)

[Brian]

If you ain't cheatin', you ain't tryin'.

Isn't that an old NASCAR saying? ;)

I can't remember where I heard it first; in NASCAR circles or in the Army. Probably NASCAR though.

Everyone thinks their driver would never cheat. Uh huh. They interviewed the director of competition who keeps confiscated parts in NASCAR's warehouse. Everyone, and I mean every team, has a part in that warehouse that's been confiscated by NASCAR. Then again, that's a discussion for a whole other thread.

[soup]

Listen, there is a greater discussion here about "cheating." I for one don't have a major problem with the steroids issue as far as stats and records are concerned. Hitters AND pitchers were doing them. Before steroids, they were doing amphetamines like M & M's(and during). Gaylord Perry is in the H o F (right?) and he is celebrated for the spitter. Nolan Ryan was scuffing balls at the end of his career. Why are these things any different? They all provide a benefit. We are very selective as a society in casting disdain toward athletes for their selection of method. Do I hate that guys did steroids and broke record? Yeah, but, to quote Daniel Farraday, "what happens, happened." Move on, don't dwell, and choose to celebrate careers of guys who seemed to do it right, like Aaron, Gibson (another one, celbrated for headhunting), and Jeter. Ignore the Bonds' and the McGwires, if you choose.

[TheBigCat]

Listen, there is a greater discussion here about "cheating." I for one don't have a major problem with the steroids issue as far as stats and records are concerned. Hitters AND pitchers were doing them. Before steroids, they were doing amphetamines like M & M's(and during). Gaylord Perry is in the H o F (right?) and he is celebrated for the spitter. Nolan Ryan was scuffing balls at the end of his career. Why are these things any different? They all provide a benefit. We are very selective as a society in casting disdain toward athletes for their selection of method. Do I hate that guys did steroids and broke record? Yeah, but, to quote Daniel Farraday, "what happens, happened." Move on, don't dwell, and choose to celebrate careers of guys who seemed to do it right, like Aaron, Gibson (another one, celbrated for headhunting), and Jeter. Ignore the Bonds' and the McGwires, if you choose.


It's a matter of degrees, soup, and the records. While nobody is doubting that McGwire, Sosa and Bonds would all have fine careers without the 'roids because those can not help you develop the timing and hand-eye coordination required of a successful hitter, the issue which has drawn the most outrage, at least so far as cheating is concerned (for purposes of this discussion we're gonna completely ignore the bit about it sending a message to high school atheletes that if you want a chance at success in pro sports you have to shoot a substance into your ass that is gonna destroy your body before you are 40, and oh yeah, all of your peers are going to be doing it too so good luck sucker!) is that the records of Maris and Aaron would still be standing.

Ryan scuffing balls and Perry throwing a spitter. Lets put those in two different categories. Perry was never caught throwing a spitter. He was, however, ejected on reputation because the plate umpire said that the pitch had an "un-natural motion". And this was while Perry was with the Mariners, after he had recorded his 300th victory. Think of this sort of like Colonel Klink and Colonel Hogan. Or better yet, the Gestapo Major who was always nosing around, whatever his name was, instead of Klink. The umpires had that attitude towards Perry, they knew he was up to something and whether they could prove it or not they were gonna get him, and they did. 300 wins, 3000 Ks and now we have him in the books as being ejected for throwing a spitter, never mind the fact that the umpire never actually found any foreign substance on the baseball or doctoring thereof, or bothered to check the ball at all before ejecting Perry. Perry was ejected a half a second after the pitch landed in the catcher's mitt. The argument could be made that the umpire was unilaterally attempting to taint Perry's career and that MLB and the AL Umpires backed him because Perry had a reputation of throwing a spitter.

Ryan, on the other hand, records already in the books, extending his HoF career, no doubt the umps were aware that he was scuffing balls, chose to allow him get away with it, just like the "Greg Maddux Strike Zone". Clear double standard.

And I wouldn't call Bob Gibson a headhunter. Now days we have guys who wear so much body armor they look like Russel Crowe in Gladiator when they step up to the plate...or maybe one of the extras from Road Warrior...and they lean out right over the plate to take away the outside corner from a pitcher. If the pitcher throws inside they just take it and if they can't get out of the way they won't get a wittow owie. There were a lot of pitchers who threw up and in to chase batters off the plate, it's been a standard practice in baseball for years. Gibson got a bad rap, IMO, for being A) a Cardinal, which meant automatic villification in the eastern, western and especially Chicago media, and B) black, for, despite over a decade since Jackie Robinson breaking the color barrier, black players were still under harsher scrutiny.

[soup]

It shouldn't matter if the act helped break a record or got one guy out in a WS game because the pitcher had sandpaper in his glove, scraped the ball, and gave it an unnatural movement.

The argument that Ryan (who I idolized) was any different than Bonds is incorrect. We don't like Bonds because he did steroids and broke Aaron's record (AND HE'S A <SNIP>). Didn't Nolan break records late in his career? After Mile Scott showed him some stuff, he even seemed to get a second wind. Where would Nolan have been without the scuffing? You don't know. That's the point. Would Bonds have broken Aaron's record, or McGwire/Maris? Probably not, but he would have been a H oF'er. Ryan got in the H oF, but because he didn't break a "hallowed" record, there was never any question into whether he would get in. Before Bonds did 'roids, he was a 1st ballot guy. Now writers want to keep him out. It's hypocrisy.

I love Ryan and can't stand Bonds. I just hate double standards and "degrees." The degrees of cheating aren't listed anywhere. And Perry may have never truly been caught, but technically, neither has Arod, not officially. The leak forced his admission (a lame one at that).

I'm not trying to equate Ryan or Perry to Bonds or Arod, but it's semantics. What if Ricky henderson was doing amphetamines while he was stealing all those bases? Not against MLB rules, but illegal nonetheless. Would we decry his career?

One last thing about 'roids. Why didn't Marvin Benard or Manny Alexander have better careers, they were on the 'roids? It enhanced those other guys, and made them more money, but it didn't make them H o F guys. The ones who did it short term (Brady Anderson) will never get a sniff. And some others (Pudge? Bagwell?, Nomar?) we'll see how their health holds up.

[Crandyman]

T.O. just signed with the Bills!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

My roommate (Bills fan) is not a happy camper right now. :)

[soup]

T.O. just signed with the Bills!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

My roommate (Bills fan) is not a happy camper right now. :)

OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We get him twice a year. YES!!!!!!!

I can see it now. T.O. runs after J.P. Losman, demanding the ball.

He won't last 6 games.

[TheBigCat]

Maybe I didn't make myself clear, soup. We don't know that Gaylord Perry was actually doctoring the ball in any way. He has never confirmed nor denied it. The ejection makes it "official" that he was, but it was a :bs: ejection. The "unnatural motion" which the umpire described...that's a pretty vague reason for ejecting someone...that would be about like me giving a long-time poster a week's ban because I think he might be thinking about flaming someone.

He sometimes joked about it, but the jokes would seem to indicate that he was playing a psychological game with the hitters, making them believe he was throwing a spitter.

[soup]

Maybe I didn't make myself clear, soup. We don't know that Gaylord Perry was actually doctoring the ball in any way. He has never confirmed nor denied it. The ejection makes it "official" that he was, but it was a :bs: ejection. The "unnatural motion" which the umpire described...that's a pretty vague reason for ejecting someone...that would be about like me giving a long-time poster a week's ban because I think he might be thinking about flaming someone.

He sometimes joked about it, but the jokes would seem to indicate that he was playing a psychological game with the hitters, making them believe he was throwing a spitter.

So you are saying that we don't actually know Gaylord Perry threw spitters?

OK.

Hey, this is the NFL thread, right?

[Tater]

So you are saying that we don't actually knowGaylord Perry threw spitters?

OK.

Hey, this is the NFL thread, right?

Yep. We picked up the discussion over in the sports saloon.

[waltisagiant]

T.O. just signed with the Bills!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

My roommate (Bills fan) is not a happy camper right now. :)

until he scores the winning touchdown against the Pats, then he'll love him.

[soup]

until he scores the winning touchdown against the Pats, then he'll love him.

*insert "hold your breath" comment here*

[TheBigCat]

Yep. We picked up the discussion over in the sports saloon.



Better place for it, since it broadened into a discussion on the difference between "cheating" and "competative edge" in all sports.

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The talking heads on ESPN are spinning the story to say that it's a good thing, Bills fans, because T.O.'s pattern with a new team is to fit will with a new team (twice constitutes a pattern???) for the first year and the contract is only one season. Trust me on this, as soon as training camp opens it's gonna be like Reggie in The Bronx Is Burning. He's going to be saying thing to the press that are going to be alienating his new teammates.

[Brian]

I don't know that it's a good thing when one of the best things the guys at ESPN can say about you is that you fit in well with a new team.

[TheWatcher]

6.6 for one year in Buffalo...:rolleyez: His agent said their were several teams intrested...:rolleyez:then I say...Why 6.6 for one year in Buffalo?...and why so fast? Whats next TO? Getting up there near Canada ...next comes what... Iceland ?:nanabobo:

[vincentstuntdbl#23]

6.6 for one year in Buffalo...:rolleyez: His agent said their were several teams intrested...:rolleyez:then I say...Why 6.6 for one year in Buffalo?...and why so fast? Whats next TO? Getting up there near Canada ...next comes what... Iceland ?:nanabobo:
Overrated & overpaid. :bs:
Man if I was an owner. I wouldn't take T.O. for 6.6M! :rolleyez:

[TheWatcher]

Its actually a pay cut..no way is that "big boy" money..I see the Pats signed Springs from Washington to defend against TO. Smart.
The thing is TO is what 36? Next year is a no cap year. He's gona be looking for one last big deal..but who will give a 37 year old receiver a 3 or 4 year big money deal?
All these years of bull are going to come back and catch up with him and he's not going to get that last big deal from anybody. All he will ever get again is a one year deal...no one wants to committ to him.

[TheBigCat]

What did the Seahawks pay Jerry Rice for his one season?

[Tater]

Its actually a pay cut..no way is that "big boy" money.

It's a lot more money than the Pats paid Moss when they signed him. I don't think he even got a million, did he? Something like 800k was all he got. Then he proved a good teammate and got his money.

I don't see that in T.O.'s future.

[soup]

All he will ever get again is a one year deal...no one wants to committ to him.

T.O. is to the NFL what Manny is the MLB.:)

[Tater]

T.O. is to the NFL what Manny is the MLB.:)

I wouldn't exactly say that. Say what you will about T.O. but he never intentionally tanked games like Manny did in Boston. He always gave 100% when he was out there playing, no matter how big a crybaby he was off-field.

Don't get me wrong... I have no respect for either. I just have much more disdain directed at Manny for bringing his off-field :bs: to the game with him.

[soup]

I wouldn't exactly say that. Say what you will about T.O. but he never intentionally tanked games like Manny did in Boston. He always gave 100% when he was out there playing, no matter how big a crybaby he was off-field.

Don't get me wrong... I have no respect for either. I just have much more disdain directed at Manny for bringing his off-field :bs: to the game with him.

Tater, the term intentional is all that separates them. Both were selfish. T.O. isn't stupid, just misguided. Manny is an idiot savant.

[TheBigCat]

Manny is an idiot savant.


You're half right.

[soup]

Come on, Cat. Everytime Manny uses that sweet swing to drive a ball in the gap, doesn't it bring Dustin Hoffman counting matches on the floor to mind?

[SpidermanHouston]

Is anyone going to bother watching the new pro football league, the UFL? Vick could be heading to the new league.

http://atl.scout.com/2/845735.html

In addition to former New York Giants coach Jim Fassel, who will lead the Las Vegas team, the UFL has hired Dennis Green as San Francisco's coach, Jim Haslett for Orlando and Ted Cottrell for New York. All except Cottrell have been head coaches in the NFL.

It is also believed the league is efforting to have former NFL quarterback Michael Vick play in its inaugural season. Vick, currently serving time for federal dogfighing charges, will be dealing with financial issues and time in a halfway house before he's available to play for any football team. Falcons general manager Thomas Dimitroff has said that he will seek a trade for Vick, but it's possible that a release will be the only way.

Each UFL team will play six games, with the championship game expected to be played in Las Vegas during Thanksgiving weekend. The UFL has announced a deal for a Thursday night game of the week to be televised on VERSUS, which is also home for National Hockey League games.

Each team will have three "home" games, but all won't be played in the "named" city. New York will play a game in Hartford, Las Vegas will play a game in Los Angeles and San Francisco will play a game in Sacramento.

Fassel was last a head coach with the New York Giants in 2003, Green with Arizona in 2006 and Haslett was the interim coach for St. Louis last season. Cottrell is a longtime NFL assistant who was fired by the San Diego Chargers during the 2008 season as defensive coordinator. He was a coach with the USFL's New Jersey Generals in 1983-84.

Said UFL commissioner Michael Huyghue, "With the confirmation of four teams and the announcement of an infusion of a $30 million investment to operate the league, the UFL is excited to bring affordable, accessible football to underserved markets this October. (This) will allow us to set the foundation within the cities we feel would be a good fit, demonstrate the terrific talent of the coaches and players at our high level of competition, and integrate innovation into all aspects of the league so we are ready for expansion in 2010."

[soup]

Each team will have three "home" games, but all won't be played in the "named" city. New York will play a game in Hartford, Las Vegas will play a game in Los Angeles and San Francisco will play a game in Sacramento.

Hartford? The crickets will outnumber the fans.

[TheBigCat]

Any word on whether He Hate Me is going to be doing color commentary for VERSUS?

[vincentstuntdbl#23]

4 underserved markets & LA still can't snag a team. :rofl1:

[TheBigCat]

Hey, they have 2 NBA teams, 2 MLB teams, 2 NHL teams, 2 MLS teams, 2 Pac-10 schools...why do they need professional football?

[Tater]

Hey, they have 2 NBA teams, 2 MLB teams, 2 NHL teams, 2 MLS teams, 2 Pac-10 schools...why do they need professional football?


1 NFL team is > than 2 NHL teams, 2 MLS teams, the Clippers & UCLA

1 NFL team is also = than the Lakers, Dodgers, Angels and Trojans combined

[TheBigCat]

Because of the lack of an NFL team the Trojans and Bruins football programs have that market locked, a good part of the reason that SC has managed 7 straight Pac-10 titles, heavy recruiting edge in that area, IMO. There has to be some correlation somewhere between the NFL leaving town and SC becoming so dominant suddenly.

[vincentstuntdbl#23]

Because of the lack of an NFL team the Trojans and Bruins football programs have that market locked, a good part of the reason that SC has managed 7 straight Pac-10 titles, heavy recruiting edge in that area, IMO. There has to be some correlation somewhere between the NFL leaving town and SC becoming so dominant suddenly.
Since the NFL doesn't sign high school players.
I don't see how that would be relevant.

[Tater]

Because of the lack of an NFL team the Trojans and Bruins football programs have that market locked, a good part of the reason that SC has managed 7 straight Pac-10 titles, heavy recruiting edge in that area, IMO. There has to be some correlation somewhere between the NFL leaving town and SC becoming so dominant suddenly.

Since the NFL doesn't sign high school players.
I don't see how that would be relevant.

:yeah: + Pete Carroll

[SpidermanHouston]

Any word on whether He Hate Me is going to be doing color commentary for VERSUS?

He Hate Me was actually drafted by Team Tennessee in the other pro football league that's starting next Spring, the AAFL. Houston gets a team in this league, Team Texas. They drafted the 2001 Heisman winner, Eric Crouch. This league was supposed to start in 2008. Houston only sold 250 season tickets for that 2008 season. So the start of the league was postponed to 2010 if it will ever start. Actually not even sure if Houston still has this team.

I see both of these leagues failing immediately.

[TheBigCat]

That doesn't take Nostradamus.

[vincentstuntdbl#23]

Depends on how ya read the quatrains. ;)

[TheBigCat]

I just read the history books. WFL, USFL, WLAF, XFL.....

[Tater]

It's a shame the AFL isn't having a season this year. It is the one and only kind of professional "football" besides the NFL that is even worth watching in this country.

They've been around since the '80's for cryin' out loud... they actually have history. I really hope they come back strong next year.

[TheWatcher]

NASHVILLE, Tenn. (AP) - Washington Redskins defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/player/100711) has been indicted on two misdemeanor traffic charges in Tennessee after an accident that seriously injured another driver.
Haynesworth, a former Tennessee Titan who signed a $100 million contract with the Redskins last month, was released after surrendering Wednesday. Maximum punishment is six months in jail and a $500 fine on the reckless driving charge and 30 days and a $50 fine for the other charge.

Nice one 100 million dollar man:rolleyez:

[vincentstuntdbl#23]

You'd think with that kinda money he coulda taken a cab. :rolleyez:

[TheBigCat]

Take a cab? Man, I'd hire a driver.

[waltisagiant]

at least he didn't step on someones face......oh, wait a minute.....

[vincentstuntdbl#23]

Browns WR hits (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9335620/?MSNHPHCP&GT1=39002) & kills pedestrian.
Man, bad weak for NFL & DMV!

[TheBigCat]

The Seahawks traded (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9335192/Seahawks-trade-LB-Peterson-to-Lions-for-Redding) LB Julian Peterson to Detroit for DT Cory Redding and a 5th round pick. Okay. I'm not sure that the best defensive lineman on the worst team in NFL history is an even trade for our best linebacker, even if he is going into his 10th season.

[Mysterious Mike]

Cory Redding only had one good year and that was his last contract year. As soon as he got that franchise player money he quit playing hard. In the right scheme I think he could be an okay player but he is best when he isn't the lead dog.

Cat I think we hoodwinked ya with this trade. We also took your RB in free agency.


I heard CB Ken Lucas refused to be traded to Detroit from Carolina.


The Lions have made some pretty good moves this offseason , not groundbreaking or anything but solid.


I am not really sold on Mathew Stafford. He has the physical stature you want in an NFL quarterback but I just wasn't very impressed with him in college. I would rather see the Lions take one of the O-linemen out there or trade out of that spot if possible.

This is the draft they have to get right. There are so many players they drafted the last 4 -5 years that aren't with the team or are outta the league all together its pathetic.

They have so many high picks in the first 3 rounds you almost have to be Matt Millen to frak it up

[Peggy Sawyer]

I am not really sold on Mathew Stafford. He has the physical stature you want in an NFL quarterback but I just wasn't very impressed with him in college. I would rather see the Lions take one of the O-linemen out there or trade out of that spot if possible.

This is the draft they have to get right. There are so many players they drafted the last 4 -5 years that aren't with the team or are outta the league all together its pathetic.

They have so many high picks in the first 3 rounds you almost have to be Matt Millen to frak it up

It's an Alex Smith-type year, Detroit. You'd be better off trading the pick for Jay Cutler (he's just not going to stay in Denver), but personally I agree with Mike, build your offensive line, get a quarterback next year. You're going to lose this year no matter what you do, so maybe Tebow is in your future.

[waltisagiant]

get a quarterback next year. You're going to lose this year no matter what you do, so maybe Tebow is in your future.

1. Tell that to Atlanta.
2. Tebow is not even half the QB as Stafford or Sanchez

[TheBigCat]

2. Sanchez is not even half the QB as Stafford or Tebow

Fixed.

[Brian]

2. Tebow is not even half the QB as Stafford

Hmm....

Named SEC Freshman of the Week twice during the 2006 season.
Named Rivals.com's National Freshman of the Week for his performance against Auburn on November 11, 2006.
Received the University of Georgia's 2006 Offensive Newcomer of the Year Award.
Named to the 2006 SEC Coaches' All-Freshman Team.
Named Offensive MVP of the 2006 Chick-fil-A Bowl
Named to All-SEC 2nd team in 2008
Phil Steele’s All-SEC second Team
MVP of the 2009 Capital One Bowl

2006 Season
SEC All-Freshman Team
SEC Freshman of the Week

2007 Season
Walter Camp Foundation National Offensive Player of the Week
Southeastern Conference Offensive Player of the Week, three times
Davey O'Brien Award winner
Heisman Trophy winner
Maxwell Award winner
Walter Camp Award finalist
ESPN The Magazine Academic All-American football team
Manning Award finalist
Rivals.com National Offensive Player of the Year
Rivals.com SEC Offensive Player of the Year
Rivals.com First Team All-SEC
First Team All-SEC Coaches Conference football team
Associated Press SEC Offensive Player of the Year
Associated Press All-SEC First Team
Associated Press Player of the Year
Listed as an All-American by: Associated Press, Football Writers Association of America, Walter Camp Football Foundation, Sporting News, Sports Illustrated, ESPN, CBS Sports, College Football News, Rivals.com, and Scout.com
James E. Sullivan Award, awarded to the Nations top amateur athlete
Roy F. Kramer SEC Male Athlete of the Year. Third Florida Gator to win this award, Danny Wuerffel (won twice) and Ryan Lochte.
ESPY for Best Male College Athlete

2008 Season
All-America selection by College Football News.
Disney Spirit Award
Heisman Trophy finalist
Manning Award winner
Maxwell Award winner
Southeastern Conference Offensive Player of the Week
2008 SEC Championship Game Most Valuable Player
Southeastern Conference Offensive Player of the Year
Southeastern Conference Scholar-Athlete of the Year
Wuerffel Trophy winner

Seems like he's twice the quarterback that Stafford is and has the collegiate career to back it up.

Not to sound too harsh, but I really should qualify my statement by admitting that I cannot stand Stafford, Mark Richt, nor the University of Georgia in general.

[soup]

Thank God for my team that collegiate careers don't always add up to NFL success. Brady lost his job to Drew Henson and Cassell couldn't even get run. Joe Flacco had to transfer from Pitt to Delaware to get noticed. Tebow is a great collegian, but he will not be a great QB in the NFL. Maybe a tight end?

[TheBigCat]

Tebow is a great collegian, but he will not be a great QB in the NFL. Maybe a tight end?

Hey, Mike Tice was a great QB at Maryland. Seriously. He put up some real good numbers.

[soup]

Hey, Mike Tice was a great QB at Maryland. Seriously. He put up some real good numbers.

I know, I'm not kidding about Tebow. He's got speed and toughness.

[Brian]

Tebow is a great collegian, but he will not be a great QB in the NFL. Maybe a tight end?

Oh, I agree about that. I'm actually surprised that Tebow is going to play in the NFL. For the longest time, I thought his religious beliefs would keep him out because they play on Sunday. You have a great point though that great college athletes don't always transfer that talent to the pros, which is a shame sometimes.

[soup]

Oh, I agree about that. I'm actually surprised that Tebow is going to play in the NFL. For the longest time, I thought his religious beliefs would keep him out because they play on Sunday. You have a great point though that great college athletes don't always transfer that talent to the pros, which is a shame sometimes.


He may well have a different calling. Wouldn't that be nice, the guy tries to help the truly needy around the world. I would hope the NFL would back him up, anyway. Seeing the way they treat their alumni, though, the word "give" is not in their vocab.

[Peggy Sawyer]

Whee! Rumors abounding that the Pats are going to trade the 34 pick (gotten from KC for Cassel and Vrabel) for Julius Peppers. Younger and stronger at linebacker, two upgrades at corner (Springs and Bodden), Joey Galloway (unofficial) added as receiver, improved salary cap space... wow, never doubt Belichick. Go Patriots!

[soup]

Whee! Rumors abounding that the Pats are going to trade the 34 pick (gotten from KC for Cassel and Vrabel) for Julius Peppers. Younger and stronger at linebacker, two upgrades at corner (Springs and Bodden), Joey Galloway (unofficial) added as receiver, improved salary cap space... wow, never doubt Belichick. Go Patriots!

I thought Peppers was an UFA. No?

Where did you here this, Peg, WEEI?

[SpidermanHouston]

I thought Peppers was an UFA. No?

Where did you here this, Peg, WEEI?

Here's the story: http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d80f48fa8&template=without-video-with-comments&confirm=true

[Peggy Sawyer]

Reports from all over, now. Looks legitimate. He'll have to approve the trade, but he wants to play OLB in a 3-4, which looks good for NE.

[soup]

Now if the Pats could just finagle that LB from USC, we'd be back in business.
Will this lead to a Bruschi retirement?

[Peggy Sawyer]

I saw Tedy being interviewed on the NFL Network the other day, and it sounded like he both wanted and expected to play. I hope so--just one more go around with Tom Brady, so he can hold up the four fingers he should have been holding up after Super Bowl XLII.

[Tater]

Should have been holding up?

...........SHOULD have been holding up?!

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Yeah... should have been... until Brady caught a beatdown from the Giiants D!!!!!! :D

[soup]

Should have been holding up?

...........SHOULD have been holding up?!

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Yeah... should have been... until Brady caught a beatdown from the Giiants D!!!!!! :D

*bites down hard on tongue*

[vincentstuntdbl#23]

Should have been holding up?

...........SHOULD have been holding up?!

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Yeah... should have been... until Brady caught a beatdown from the Giiants D!!!!!! :D
:yeah:
Heard they're making a film 'bout the pats run:
Bets, Lies & Videotape.
;)

[Tater]

*bites down hard on tongue*

Smart move... not much you can say to that. :)

Honestly... I will rip on Bellicheat and the Pats every chance I get...

Not because I think they are cheaters or not because I think they have a bad coach... I genuinely respect them as a well oiled machine.

I just hate them. Plain and simple.

[waltisagiant]

Fixed.

i can not agree.

[soup]

Adam Schefter reported on WEEI's Dennis & Callahan this morning that the Peppers deal will never happen.

[Peggy Sawyer]

Yes, but Schefter is becoming less reliable (he said Corey Dillon would be back last year and that teams were lining up with Cassel trade offers last month). I hope it's not just another idle rumor, or that the premature reporting scared away the Panthers (who aren't supposed to be talking directly to teams, only through Peppers' agent).

[soup]

A lot was mad eabout the Panthers' denial of a deal, but that was CBA-motivated. Right, Peg, they can't talk to the Pats, Peppers' agent has to.

Schefter was supposedly speaking to the price of a 2nd rounder being way too little. Problem is, the Panthers are cash strapped and can't sign anyone with his cap number around their neck. WEEI Big Show guys said people were throwing Seymour's name around, but Big Sey's cap number is huge, too, plus he's better. Peppers may be making a mistake moving to LB, though. LB's don't get the big money loke pass-rushing lineman. He would have to take less money to play LB. I'm unsure as to what will happen here.

[vincentstuntdbl#23]

Smart move... not much you can say to that. :)

Honestly... I will rip on Bellicheat and the Pats every chance I get...

Not just because I think they are cheaters or not because I think they have a bad coach... I genuinely despise them as a well oiled machine.

I just hate them. Plain and simple.
*fixed it for ya* :p


*hates belicheat & the pats with the heat of a nova*

[soup]

*fixed it for ya* :p


*hates belicheat & the pats with the heat of a nova*

Fans of football teams who have been caught "cheating" in their glass house ought not throw bricks.

[vincentstuntdbl#23]

Oh puhlease. I've dispelled that once already. :rolleyez:

[soup]

Oh puhlease. I've dispelled that once already. :rolleyez:

Denial does not equal dispelled.
Loss of a draft pick for a minor infraction = cheating. Degrees of cheating?

Actually, overblowing the infraction of a team that has owned another franchise in the playoffs this decade (and 1996) is understandable.

[vincentstuntdbl#23]

Now look, maybe your ideas on cheating differs from mine, but you know wearing pads at minicamp and taping your opponents' sidelines ain't the same frakkin' ball park. It ain't the same league. It ain't even the same frakkin' sport. ;)

[soup]

Galloway signs with the Pats. If healthy, that's a mighty fine 3rd WR.:)

Donte Stallworth blew a .12 after the accident, according to reports. Sad situation.


(It's not illegal to tape the sidelines. It's illegal to do it from certain places, legal from others. It was blown way out of proportion, mostly by teams' fans and media types searching to scapegoat past losses, and that is a fact.)

[Peggy Sawyer]

It's not illegal to tape the sidelines. It's illegal to do it from certain places, legal from others. It was blown way out of proportion, mostly by teams' fans and media types searching to scapegoat past losses, and that is a fact.)

:yeah:

Also, glad Garroway was finally signed and starting to wonder if the Peppers thing may not happen after all. Not sure I care--Jason Taylor may fill our immediate needs for a lot less.

[vincentstuntdbl#23]

NFL releases sum info (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9369054/Steelers-to-kick-off-2009-season-vs.-Titans?MSNHPHMA) on 2009 season.

[soup]

I think the Pats are going to dabble in throwbacks. "Pat the Patriot," three point stance?

[Peggy Sawyer]

Well, it's the AFL's 50th anniversary season, so I think we may count on Pat to show up (I've been seeing the image around). Works for me!

[Tater]

http://i42.tinypic.com/k9jgk4.png

Willem Dafoe and Pat the Patriot... long lost brothers. :rotfl:

[TheBigCat]

Can I take this opportunity to say that I really liked the old unis with Pat on the helmet and still much prefer that to the streaked face, which I think looks rather skeletal.

[TheWatcher]

What do you guys think about the Brady rule? How much can they keep changing the principals of the game? In football people end up on the ground. With this new Brady rule defenders can not hit the QB on the knee or below the knee...If the defender lunges out and grabs at him from the ground...like Pollar did to Brady...the knee is the place hes going to get......no no....

Defenders fall down...seriously...now they have to get back up or hit them above the knee.
I undersatnd protecting the QB..but its getting to the point where you cant even get near the QB...protecting their investments I guess...but seriously this is football...next ya wont be able to breath on them...

Im okay on the Heinz Ward rule, I guess...taking out the blind side helmet to helmet...but are we protecting the quarterback to much? How much more protection do they need?

I think its a knee jerk reaction...once again. The should have looked at fixing the Overtime Rules. They need help.

[soup]

I don't particularly like the Brady rule, and I'm a Pats fan. Stuff happens in the game. They should just put QBs on a Segway(sp?) and forbid any contact.

[SpidermanHouston]

Can I take this opportunity to say that I really liked the old unis with Pat on the helmet and still much prefer that to the streaked face, which I think looks rather skeletal.
The old Pats helmet was always one of my favorite helmets.



I'm disappointed that the Texans won't play the Cowboys this preseason like usual because of conflicting schedules. The Cowboys new stadium shares the parking lot with the Texas Rangers stadium and the Rangers have a baseball game scheduled the week the Cowboys/Texans usually play each other. I guess I will just have to make fun of Hodge during the season.

[Peggy Sawyer]

What do you guys think about the Brady rule? How much can they keep changing the principals of the game? In football people end up on the ground. With this new Brady rule defenders can not hit the QB on the knee or below the knee...If the defender lunges out and grabs at him from the ground...like Pollar did to Brady...the knee is the place hes going to get......no no....

I think its a knee jerk reaction...once again. The should have looked at fixing the Overtime Rules. They need help.

There are just too many ACL injuries, and they're always season-killers. Until more protection is developed for knees, I reluctantly endorse this rule. I don't like excessive QB coddling (like when Peyton Manning was given 15 yards and a fresh set of downs to win the Championship Game two years ago, because some official imagined Tully Banta-Cain came within a foot of touching Manning's helmet). The knee, however, is an underprotected area. I just hope the officials don't use the "if in doubt, flag it" approach to enforcing the rule.

As for overtime, agreed! The answer is to have the kicking team kick off from the 40, not the 30. A deeper field will reduce the chances of a fast field goal, giving the other team a shot at the ball, evening the odds (which favor the flip-winner too much).

[vincentstuntdbl#23]

IMHO:
I'm so tired of hearing that today's players are bigger, stronger & faster than before. They might be a li'l bigger, more bulked up (not necessarily stronger) & a tad faster, but lack the durability & toughness of the old players. Take into account the old skool rules. Honestly lotsa today's players wouldn't make it thru a season of pre-1980's football.

[Tater]

IMHO:
I'm so tired of hearing that today's players are bigger, stronger & faster than before. They might be a li'l bigger, more bulked up (not necessarily stronger) & a tad faster, but lack the durability & toughness of the old players. Take into account the old skool rules. Honestly lotsa today's players wouldn't make it thru a season of pre-1980's football.

:yeah:

Football just ain't as tough as it used to be...


I get sick of hearing the argument about how QB's are "an investment that has to be protected". Were guys like Unitas, Bradshaw, Staubach, Tarkenton, etc. any less important to their teams as the guys are these days?

They certainly didn't have the protection rules that are being instituted today.

One problem I foresee with all these new rules... they will end up going too far with them. Too many knee-jerk reactions (no pun intended) and too much protection for the QB's will end up biting the league in the ass. One of these days the league will realize they are protecting the QB's too much and by then it will be too late. Because how do you take back the protection rules once you put them in place without all the owners and QB's whining, crying and pitching a major damned fit about it in the media? You can't.

[SpidermanHouston]

The Tennessee Titans are wearing the Houston Oilers uniforms three times next year. First time since '96 that they will be worn. I really hate Bud Adams.

[TheBigCat]

Well, the wore the Oilers uniforms for the first season that they were in Tennessee, IIRC, as the Tennessee Oilers.

[SpidermanHouston]

Well, the wore the Oilers uniforms for the first season that they were in Tennessee, IIRC, as the Tennessee Oilers.

That year does not exist in my football history.

At least they won't be wearing them against the Texans. they are wearing them against the Bills(hall of fame game), at the Jets, and against another original AFL team.

Looks like the Chiefs will wear the Dallas Texans uniforms a couple of times.

http://static.nfl.com/static/content/catch_all/nfl_image/coaches_group_090321_SWIDE.jpg

[TheBigCat]

My god...the Broncos are going to wear their gold and black uniforms. Hope they pass on the vertically striped socks.

[vincentstuntdbl#23]

Pittsburgh always seem to whoop tail when they wear those mostly gold throwbacks. :)

[waltisagiant]

I don't particularly like the Brady rule, and I'm a Pats fan. Stuff happens in the game. They should just put QBs on a Segway(sp?) and forbid any contact.

The NFL changes everything for Brady, can anyone say "Tuck Rule"?

[Tater]

Well, the wore the Oilers uniforms for the first season that they were in Tennessee, IIRC, as the Tennessee Oilers.

The Tennessee "Oilers" are almost as stupid as the Utah "Jazz". At least one of them had the sense to change their name.

The NFL changes everything for Brady, can anyone say "Tuck Rule"?

Didn't they change that rule though? So if it happens again it would be a fumble?

[TheBigCat]

The Tennessee "Oilers" are almost as stupid as the Utah "Jazz". At least one of them had the sense to change their name.


Los Angeles "Lakers" since the team was originally in Minneapolis and the name is a reference to Minnesota being the "Land of 10,000 Lakes", Los Angeles "Dodgers", since "Trolleydodgers" was a derogatory term for Brooklinites...

At least they dropped the "North" from the name when the Minnesota NHL franchise moved to Dallas.

[Tater]

Los Angeles "Lakers" since the team was originally in Minneapolis and the name is a reference to Minnesota being the "Land of 10,000 Lakes", Los Angeles "Dodgers", since "Trolleydodgers" was a derogatory term for Brooklinites...

At least they dropped the "North" from the name when the Minnesota NHL franchise moved to Dallas.

Yeah... those too. :D

[waltisagiant]

Didn't they change that rule though? So if it happens again it would be a fumble?

yes, i should have said BECAUSE of brady, not for him.

[SpidermanHouston]

My god...the Broncos are going to wear their gold and black uniforms. Hope they pass on the vertically striped socks.
It's all part of the 50th anniversary of the AFL. The 8 original AFL teams are wearing them a couple of times next season.



The Tennessee "Oilers" are almost as stupid as the Utah "Jazz". At least one of them had the sense to change their name.


Wasn't there a story a couple of years back on how the New Orleans Hornets wanted to buy the Jazz name from the Utah Jazz but the Utah Jazz owner refused?

[TheBigCat]

It's all part of the 50th anniversary of the AFL. The 8 original AFL teams are wearing them a couple of times next season.


Yeah, I gathered that from the context of the picture.

Back, (when was it, early '90s?) when they had the whole league doing the throwback jerseys, I think the Bucs hadn't changed their uniforms at all at that time, but the Seahawks had made a minor change in about their 5th season with the sleeve striping and also the helmet logo originally went all the way around. DT Joe Nash was therefore the only player in the league that season to have actually played in his team's throwback jersey.

Anyway, the story on the socks, AFAIK:

The Broncos only wore that CU-inspired black and gold for one season. For their second season they switched to the orange and blue (And I still prefer the classic Orange Crush kit with the medium blue helmet and orange D to the dark blue current kit). But part of that first season's gear was over-the-calf socks with unique vertical gold and black stripes. These socks were universally hated by the players, so much so that, according to the story, after the final game of that inaugural AFL season they threw every single one of them into a pile and burned the lot, all 40-however-many pairs plus whatever the equipment manager had as spares. ALL OF THEM. According to NFL historian Steve Sabol not a single vertical striped sock remained.

[Tater]

part of that first season's gear was over-the-calf socks with unique vertical gold and black stripes. These socks were universally hated by the players, so much so that, according to the story, after the final game of that inaugural AFL season they threw every single one of them into a pile and burned the lot, all 40-however-many pairs plus whatever the equipment manager had as spares. ALL OF THEM. According to NFL historian Steve Sabol not a single vertical striped sock remained.

:rotfl:

Good story! :Cheers:

Wasn't there a story a couple of years back on how the New Orleans Hornets wanted to buy the Jazz name from the Utah Jazz but the Utah Jazz owner refused?

If there was, I didn't hear about it... but I am not surprised either. That sounds like some typical, stupid :bs: that a pro sports team would do.

[CENSORED]

Wasn't there a story a couple of years back on how the New Orleans Hornets wanted to buy the Jazz name from the Utah Jazz but the Utah Jazz owner refused?

Yep, that was the very case

[vincentstuntdbl#23]

Guess it's official (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9403016/Cutler-speaks:-%27I-didn%27t-want-to-get-traded%27?MSNHPHMA)- the Broncos are trying to trade Cutler.
The Broncos, though, aren't giving Cutler away.
A source told FOXSports.com that the asking price is greater than a first- and third-round draft choice.Seriously?!
Who in their right minds (Al Davis not included) would give Denver that for Cutler?!

[Tater]

Who in their right minds (Al Davis not included) would give Denver that for Cutler?!

The Lions?

[vincentstuntdbl#23]

Maybe.
The Robot says: Danger Will Robinson! ;)

[soup]

Does diabetes affect bipolar disorder?

Jay Cutler telles Chris Mortensen he want a trade.
Denver announces they would try to trade him.
Cutler says "I didn't want a trade."

He doesn't pick up the phone when called, calls everyone in Denver liars (which they may be, to a degree, but comeon, big-boy up), and now he acts all hurt and "I love my teammates."

Whoever gets him, good luck. You'll have your hands full.

[Tater]

Cutler = great franchise QB.

Cutler = big crybaby.

Cutler = well... how can you really blame him for being pissed that the new coach tried to bring in Cassell?

Yes... he handled it badly... but I perfectly understand why he was mad in the first place.

[vincentstuntdbl#23]

Cutler = great franchise QB.

:Hippy:

[Tater]

*puts the hose to the hippies*

Okay... that was my Eric Cartman impersonation... all can carry on now. :D

[vincentstuntdbl#23]

I'll agree on Cutler being a big cry baby.

*watches Tater fight Timah* :p

[waltisagiant]

I would draft mark Sanchez and keep my 2010 first round pick before i would trade for Cutler. The dude is nuts.

[Mysterious Mike]

Cutler to the Lions would be a game changer for the Lions and could legitimize them soon rather then later with Stafford. I would be okay with them trading any 2 of their top 3 picks , which ain't shabby in the 1 , 20 , 33 overall.

Denver doesn't want the 1st pick , fine. Give them the 20 and 33 then draft LT Jason Smith from Baylor and move on.

This is the only trade I would hope the Lions are considering because they need depth and any talent on defense and some serious help with the O-line and thats what these picks should be used for. At this point Stafford is the consolation prize IMO. He is kinda a wild card at this point but apparently the Lions liked his workout.



It sucks that the draft is the best part of the year for the Lions every season. Make a bold move and trade for a proven QB.



Dan Synder will probably just bring in a pallet of gold bars and that will be that.

[Mysterious Mike]

ESPN is reporting Cutler is going to the Bears.

*pfft*

That figures

[SpidermanHouston]

Wow, the Bears gave up a lot.

Jay Glazer of FOXSports.com reports that the Chicago Bears have sent two first-round picks, a third-round pick, and quarterback Kyle Orton to the Broncos for quarterback Jay Cutler and a fifth-round draft pick.

The Bears held the 18th pick in the first round of the draft.

Per NFLPA records, Orton is signed through 2009, at a base salary of $995,000.

[soup]

Awesome for Cutler. He goes from the lameness of throwing to Marshall and Royal while being coached by a guy who directed Brady and help school Cassell to a team that plays in the "windy" city where his best receiver is a converted CB. Much better situation now.:rolleyez:

Who was the last All-Pro QB in Chicago? Good job, push for that trade, ya crybaby. Couldn't happen to a more deserving guy.

[Peggy Sawyer]

Cutler's going to have to grow up the hard way, it seems. But Chicago, what are you thinking? That much for for this overrated, immature quarterback? And Cassel was only worth one second-round pick league-wide? Smart of Detroit to stay out of it and keep their eyes on Stafford.

[soup]

Cutler's going to have to grow up the hard way, it seems. But Chicago, what are you thinking? That much for for this overrated, immature quarterback? And Cassel was only worth one second-round pick league-wide? Smart of Detroit to stay out of it and keep their eyes on Stafford.

Cassell was a 7th round pick, Cutler was in the Pro-Bowl last year. McDaniel would've preferred Cassell, probably for coachability reasons. Cassell did it with the Patriots, let's see if he can with the Chiefs. Cutler helped Vanderbilt win in college, Cassell didn't play in college. Still, the Bears paid a steep price, and McDaniel just saved some cap room and ditched the albatross. Hopefully McDaniel learned a lesson, but what was his alternative? You can't explore deals for your QB? Ever? If you do, and call the QB to tell him, he'll probably flip out anyway. It's a no-win for the coach. Plus, didn't Tampa leak the info regarding the trade? I wouldn't deal with them for a while.

[Peggy Sawyer]

Cassell was a 7th round pick, Cutler was in the Pro-Bowl last year. McDaniel would've preferred Cassell, probably for coachability reasons. Cassell did it with the Patriots, let's see if he can with the Chiefs. Cutler helped Vanderbilt win in college, Cassell didn't play in college. Still, the Bears paid a steep price, and McDaniel just saved some cap room and ditched the albatross. Hopefully McDaniel learned a lesson, but what was his alternative? You can't explore deals for your QB? Ever? If you do, and call the QB to tell him, he'll probably flip out anyway. It's a no-win for the coach. Plus, didn't Tampa leak the info regarding the trade? I wouldn't deal with them for a while.

I agree completely with the McDaniels point. No coach should have to promise his quarterback not to discuss any trades involving him. It only demeans the coach and tells the rest of the team that the quarterback position is held to a different set of "rules." I think McDaniels handled it all pretty well. Now, I'm not directly comparing Cutler to Cassel, but I am emphasizing that a lot of quarterback-needy teams never even sent out feelers for Cassel, with all his upside, but the Bears basically emptied their pockets to Denver for Cutler, who, in spite of his accomplishments, has never won a playoff game and has maturity issues. A little more proven than Cassel, sure, but is he worth that much? And is Cassel worth that little?

[Tater]

Cutler helped Vanderbilt win in college

He did?

Um... Vandy was 11-35 during the 4 years he played there.

[CENSORED]

He did?

Um... Vandy was 11-35 during the 4 years he played there.

HAHAHA!!! That's the exact same thought I had Tater when I read that. I just remember going "He did? Uhhhhh...."

Sorry Soup. Love your sig though! Can't wait!

[Tater]

HAHAHA!!! That's the exact same thought I had Tater when I read that. I just remember going "He did? Uhhhhh...."

Great minds... they think alike. ;)

[CENSORED]

Great minds... they think alike. ;)

:Cheers:

That is, until you see my World Series prediction

[soup]

He did?

Um... Vandy was 11-35 during the 4 years he played there.

What was it they were saying about Denver?

Oh, "it was the defense"

Could I say "they would have been 2-44 without him?"

or, "at least he was a solid performer in college?"

*watches college football credibility fly out the window*:rolleyez::coffeedunk:

[vincentstuntdbl#23]

Kinda reminds me of when Ditka gave away 'the store' for Ricky Williams. Krazy. :Hippy:

[CENSORED]

Kinda reminds me of when Ditka gave away 'the store' for Ricky Williams. Krazy. :Hippy:

I remember that he had already discussed the deal and so he showed up to draft central in a hawaiian shirt and a cigar, and held an immediate press conference where he stated he was now going to play golf for the rest of the day....classic

[soup]

I remember that he had already discussed the deal and so he showed up to draft central in a hawaiian shirt and a cigar, and held an immediate press conference where he stated he was now going to play golf for the rest of the day....classic

And my bro-in-law, the Saints fan, rues that day like no other in his team's history. ( I remind him constantly that they almost always disappoint:D)

[TheBigCat]

I wonder what was in that cigar?

>>>>>>>>>

On the Cutler to Chicago trade, one thing proven here is that ESPN are a bunch of loudmouths who won't stop banging away at a topic, to whit, referring to Cutler as a whiner.

They called the Broncos a "storied franchise with a winning tradition". *cou:bs:gh* The team's winning tradition is one man, do I have to say his name, and the reason Cutler is accused of being a whiner is that he is merely the latest in a line of quarterbacks who have failed to fulfill the expectations of a spoilt Denver sports media. Hell, if the John Elway who led the Broncos to the cellar of the AFC West his rookie season showed up to play quarterback he would be cut for not being the John Elway who led the team to Super Bowl wins in his last two. They ran Brian Griese out of town, they ran Cade Mc Cown of, they ran Jake Plummer off and now they have run Cutler off, and you know they are going to run Orton off.

The only consolation is that their own pick in next year's draft is going to be top 5. The "From Chicago" pick is probably going to be higher that 28th, TYVM.

If I were the Denver GM I'd swap all of those picks plus this season's 1st round to Detroit for the first overall and draft whichever of the top collegiate QBs looked the best to me, Stafford, Sanchez, Tebow, whoever... Give the Denver sports media The Next John Elway. Because that's what they want. That's the only thing the spoilt bastards will accept quarterbacking the Broncos. If he succedes, great. If he fails then they will have gotten it out of their collective systems and will stop over-criticizing every quarterback who could be successful if given a chance.

[CENSORED]

I just don't think it's going to work out for either of them....just see it becoming the, "eh, that's it" story

[vincentstuntdbl#23]

I just don't think it's going to work out for either of them....just see it becoming the, "eh, that's it" story
:yeah:

[TheBigCat]

What's been missing for "Da Bores" has been a good QB. Neither Orton nor Gross, Man! has ever been any better than slightly below the league avarage. Of course, saying that, now that they have at least a half decent QB the Monsters of the Midway MkIII are about as terrifying as a canary.

[Tater]

What's been missing for "Da Bores" has been a good QB. Neither Orton nor Gross, Man! has ever been any better than slightly below the league avarage. Of course, saying that, now that they have at least a half decent QB the Monsters of the Midway MkIII are about as terrifying as a canary.

The terrifying canary...

http://i42.tinypic.com/inzvgh.jpg

...putting fear into oversized kitties since 1964.

:rotfl:

[vincentstuntdbl#23]

WTF is up with that Canary?! :Hippy:

[TheBigCat]

An exaggerated self-image brought about a false sense of safety due to it's position within a cage made of then pot metal bars. It thinks that just because it can't get out the tiger can't get in.

[CENSORED]

The terrifying canary...

http://i42.tinypic.com/inzvgh.jpg

...putting fear into oversized kitties since 1964.

:rotfl:


HAHA!!
Is that thing wearing glasses? Like, two monocles or something?

[waltisagiant]

Hopefully McDaniel learned a lesson, but what was his alternative? You can't explore deals for your QB? Ever? If you do, and call the QB to tell him, he'll probably flip out anyway. It's a no-win for the coach.

unless he's Jason Campbell, who knows he is lucky to be starting anyways.

[soup]

unless he's Jason Campbell, who knows he is lucky to be starting anyways.

Hey, pro athletes can go one way or another. Jason Campbell must have a minor bit of humility left to react how he did, even if it was only publicly. Guys who give up on teammates because of what management does lose my respect (Nomar, Manny).

[Peggy Sawyer]

Jason Campbell showed some class, indeed. I'm surprised that Washington was even looking seriously at Cutler, having both Campbell and Colt Brennan on the team (Colt looked like the real thing in preseason last year, after a great college career in Hawaii). Mr. Snyder is one fidgety owner.

[Tater]

I've got the faith in Jason Campbell. You all should too.

He is the kind of guy who is okay with waiting until he is good. He does not rush into it with a big head thinking he is the man.

At Auburn, he was good as a sophomore, struggled as a junior (partially due to the changing of offense), almost got ran out of his starting job by nay-sayers, then came on as a senior and led the Auburn Tigers to an undefeated, SEC Champs, season (and screwed out of the national championship game).

Give that guy patience and he will end up being the best QB the 'Skins have ever had.

[TheBigCat]

Give that guy patience and he will end up being the best QB the 'Skins have ever had.


That's saying a lot.

Baugh

[vincentstuntdbl#23]

That's saying a lot.

Baugh
:yeah:

[waltisagiant]

Jason will end up being the best QB the 'Skins have ever had.

or maybe he's a hair better than Heath Shuler.

[Tater]

That's saying a lot.

How he does this season will say a lot.

Since starting college and going into the pros, he has gone through 7-8 different offensive systems. That will be difficult on anyone. Now he is going into his 2nd season with Zorn and I think it will make a big difference on the field. Actually having some stability in how things are run, instead of changing it every freakin' year.

[TheBigCat]

There's a huge learning curve with the West Coast Offense. John Kitna looked good for his first year at it...and then failed as he was introduced to the more complex sets, which is why Holmgren packed him off to Cincy and traded for a quarterback who already knew the system.

[Tater]

Campbell is a smart QB. I think he will do just fine with a west coast offense.

[CENSORED]

Campbell is a smart QB. I think he will do just fine with a west coast offense.

I agree with Tater yet what will make him better is the Skins getting another rb to compliment Portis so he stays healthy. They load so much on him that it makes it easier for Campbell to get comfortable with the system, yet once Portis gets hurt he seems to crash hard which forces Campbell to learn too much, too fast

[Tater]

I agree with Tater yet what will make him better is the Skins getting another rb to compliment Portis so he stays healthy. They load so much on him that it makes it easier for Campbell to get comfortable with the system, yet once Portis gets hurt he seems to crash hard which forces Campbell to learn too much, too fast

Today's NFL is a 2 running back game. I agree with you wholeheartedly.

One thing I will point out about Campbell... whereas he may not be the most physically gifted QB ever, he has a high completion percentage and doesn't throw many interceptions.

There are many teams out there that just wish they had a QB like that.

[Tater]

Heh... Jason Campbell must be doing something right. Check out his girlfriend! :naughty:

http://i42.tinypic.com/zwj1c7.jpg

[TheBigCat]

Boi-oi-oi-oi-oing!

[CENSORED]

Heh... Jason Campbell must be doing something right. Check out his girlfriend! :naughty:

http://i42.tinypic.com/zwj1c7.jpg

That's why he seems so relaxed for a guy his age! Way to go Jason!

[vincentstuntdbl#23]

Heh... Jason Campbell must be doing something right. Check out his girlfriend! :naughty:

http://i42.tinypic.com/zwj1c7.jpg
If they get married. She'd literally be a trophy wife. ;)

[SpidermanHouston]

The full NFL regular season schedule will be announced later today. This is more exciting than a regular season baseball game.

[SpidermanHouston]

Schedule announced: http://www.nfl.com/schedules/release

Texans start against the Jets. Who the hell is playing at QB for the Jets? Schedule looks easier this year since they are playing the NFC West. One Monday night game against the Titans. Titans start the season against the Steelers.

[soup]

Don't forget the privilege of closing with the Pats. My first reaction was to say that would be our easiest game (not easy, look at our schedule), but we get Denver (Buffalo doesn't count, in conference). Matty Ice comes back to MA, could have seen that one coming a mile away. Do we play the Colts every year?

[SpidermanHouston]

Don't forget the privilege of closing with the Pats. My first reaction was to say that would be our easiest game (not easy, look at our schedule), but we get Denver (Buffalo doesn't count, in conference). Matty Ice comes back to MA, could have seen that one coming a mile away. Do we play the Colts every year?

Yep. I noticed that last game against the Pats. It looks like the hardest opponent on the schedule besides the usual two games against the Colts. Hopefully the last game of the season won't mean anything for the Pats and it's at Houston. Texans were 6-2 at home last year. If they can just play .500 on the road instead of that awful 2-6 road record.

[CENSORED]

Pats and Colts on Sunday night on my birthday!!! Getting drunk and picking on Peyton's 6,495 different audible calls.......the turd that he is

[LPU]

I hope that he makes it 6,496 just to piss you off.

[soup]

Pats get Atlanta, Tampa bay, Jax, Carolina, Houston, Denver, Baltimore and Indy.

Could someone point out the patsy in there? Denver, I guess.

[LPU]

Pats get Atlanta, Tampa bay, Jax, Carolina, Houston, Denver, Baltimore and Indy.

Could someone point out the patsy in there? Denver, I guess.

Answered your own question. :p

[Peggy Sawyer]

Literally the third-toughest schedule in the league, but honestly, I don't see many that we can't handle in there.

[TheBigCat]

You do know that 6,490 of those "audibles" are dummys, that he only has 5 actual audible calls that mean anything. The rest of the time they just go up to the line without changing the play, the recievers and blockers all see the same thing he does and already know their routes and assignments. It's all show for when he actually does change something.

[TheBigCat]

Hodge...Nov 1st. Spidey...Dec 13th. Where's spinach sandwich? We're playing Da Bears on Sept 2, here.Miracle Mike? Nov 8th, here.

ETA: Edited because Spidey pointed out that I had home teams and road teams mixed up.

[Tater]

Titans start the season against the Steelers.

That should be a fun game to watch.

If ya like violent, hard-hitting football... this is the game for you.

[CENSORED]

I hope that he makes it 6,496 just to piss you off.

Oh he will....or at least my friends will convince me he did just to see me go on a rant.

Pats get Atlanta, Tampa bay, Jax, Carolina, Houston, Denver, Baltimore and Indy.

Could someone point out the patsy in there? Denver, I guess.

Didn't mention that Matt Ryan coming back to New England (BC Eagle)? Should be a great game there

You do know that 6,490 of those "audibles" are dummys, that he only has 5 actual audible calls that mean anything. The rest of the time they just go up to the line without changing the play, the recievers and blockers all see the same thing he does and already know their routes and assignments. It's all show for when he actually does change something.

I know it is! That's why it drives me nuts! Everyone knows this now, so why bother! He just looks like a stupid fool sometimes when he does it for 20 seconds and defenses don't even react to it anymore. I watched a thing where he and a couple of receivers were making some up during a blow out game but he took it too seriously so they stopped enjoying it and didn't seem to care anymore. So he gets on the horn with his offensive coordinator and they goof off making up fishing symbols.......stupid turd.

[LPU]

Saucer of milk, much?

I still see it work to his advantage plenty often enough to where it's worthwhile.

[TheBigCat]

It's his ability as a quarterback, his arm, his eye, his brain, that's what's working.

[LPU]

Mostly, for sure. But it seems like he catches a team at least once a game doing this, even if it's only because they've fallen asleep and/or tuned him and his shenanigans out. I wouldn't want him to change it for the world.

[soup]

Didn't mention that Matt Ryan coming back to New England (BC Eagle)? Should be a great game there

Did, earlier, using his more commonly known name of Matty Ice. Not like the Pats need help selling tickets, though.

[SpidermanHouston]

Hodge...Nov 1st, here. Spidey...Dec 13th, here. Where's spinach sandwich? We're playing Da Bears on Sept 27 (nice to get in and out of Soldier Field before it gets too cold). Miracle Mike? We're returning to Ford Field (aka The Scene Of The Crime) Nov 8th.

You got your home games and road games mixed up. The Lions are visiting Seattle not at Ford Field. The Seahawks will visit Reliant Stadium in Houston for the first time and it won't be easy. Texans only lost twice at home last season against the Titans and Colts. And they should have beaten the Colts if it wasn't for Sage Rosenfels blowing an 18 point fourth quarter lead with his stupid turnovers.

[TheBigCat]

You got your home games and road games mixed up. The Lions are visiting Seattle not at Ford Field. The Seahawks will visit Reliant Stadium in Houston for the first time and it won't be easy. Texans only lost twice at home last season against the Titans and Colts. And they should have beaten the Colts if it wasn't for Sage Rosenfels blowing an 18 point fourth quarter lead with his stupid turnovers.


Hmmm. I just clicked the link listed, assumed the first team was the home team, there was no @ symbol, and I have been spending too much time with the European soccer where the home team is listed first. *embarrassed*

Lemme edit that to show the facts.

ETA: Look at it...as a sample it says for Sept. 27th on the Seahawks schedule it has:

Bears helmet logo VS Seahawks helmet logo

not "at" or "@" but "vs"

Oct 4 is

Seahawks VS Colts

Now, when you look at a teams schedule, go down the list, it will show the home games as "vs opponent" and the away games as "@ opponent" or "at opponent" so I think you can understand why I took to interpret "VS" as having the opposite meaning of "@" even though it doesn't, and see the home team as the road team.

[SpidermanHouston]

The second team listed is usually the home team. When I see scores at the bottom of the ESPN TV screen, I usually know the home team is the second team listed. Europe and their backwards ways. Dates are written backwards and they drive on the wrong side of the road. Now the home team listed first is a new one I know about backwards Europe. Or are we the backwards country?

[TheBigCat]

Only the people in the British Isles drive on the wrong side of the road. The folks on the Continent drive on the right side.

[CENSORED]

Saucer of milk, much?

I still see it work to his advantage plenty often enough to where it's worthwhile.

Sure, if I can hit him over the head with them. He's a phenomenal qb that takes that audible thing way over the top and doesn't need it to the extent he uses it. Just get up to that line and torch the defense

[Peggy Sawyer]

Adios, John Madden, from the broadcasting booth. Best wishes for your retirement, and for your various other interests, football-related and otherwise.

One of the best, though I always thought he was better with Pat Summerall.

Sigh...so few of the old-school broadcasters still in the game. Thank goodness for Dick Enberg--still at top level.

Now--Chris Collinsworth as Madden's replacement? Is this good?

[LPU]

Not in my book, though I'm at a real loss for a decent replacement.

[TheBigCat]

Chris Collinsworth??? Hmmm... Lemme think on that.

Where's Ronnie Lott when I need him? A quart of stick-em and 100 yards of medical tape. Okay, Collinsworth, got ya covered!!!!

Madden is a blow-hard, I'll never forgive him for reporting the "kid who brought in the football that Romo muffed gets scholarship" story to make it seem like the Seahawks were rewarding him for greasing a football, but he is the professor of football. He pioneered the use of the light pen to break down a play, show the audience what happened, why, how, who missed what, and nobody ever did it better.

Collinsworth is bland. About the best I can say is that he's not going to make mistakes, but that's because one has to do something to in order to make a mistake.

[CENSORED]

Sorry to sound like the jerk, but good riddance. John Madden was a pathetic in his commentary as his love affair with Brett Favre was. He constantly restated his points by just saying it a different way. The man made great statements like "Now, what the running back wants to do is to take this ball and hit the hole in order to get it in the end zone", or "What the quarterback wants to do is to stand in the pocket the best he can while looking for the receiver running the best route."

Really John?

Sorry, he was annoying as hell and he constantly interrupted people and they let it slide because of who he was. He never realized what he was actually drawing on the screen as was seen by his penis drawing last year at the Cowboy game at the beginning of the season. He was a great guy who did his homework before every game, yet he spent more time stuttering old stories or repeating facts.

Sorry, but I'm not sad to see him go. A great guy for the game itself, just not in the booth.

[LPU]

I never thought he was as bad as all of that. That image of him got blown waaaaaaay out of proportion. He had his Abdul moments, to be sure, but it was hardly all he was. I'll miss the hell out of him, and I bet you will too when you watch next year.

[CENSORED]

I never thought he was as bad as all of that. That image of him got blown waaaaaaay out of proportion. He had his Abdul moments, to be sure, but it was hardly all he was. I'll miss the hell out of him, and I bet you will too when you watch next year.

No way, no how. Ask anyone who knows me and they will tell you that by halftime I had the TV on mute and the radio play by play on for any game he was commentating on. Even my wife would notice it whenever she would watch a game for a few minutes and she LOVES to disagree with me. I would love to see Scott Van Pelt from ESPN doing a game.

[LPU]

I think they've proven that funny guys don't work.

[CENSORED]

I think they've proven that funny guys don't work.

SVP isn't a funny guy. He is an intense fact guy who even makes golf highlights seem more exciting then they should when a guy putts a four footer. Listen to him and Tirico on ESPN Radio and I really think he deserves a shot and would do a great job. Scott is a guy who would goof off too much.

Anyways, Madden was a funny act

[LPU]

Van Peezy isn't a funny guy? K.

[CENSORED]

Van Peezy isn't a funny guy? K.

Funny in a one liner type way, but no way a goof-ball or a comic. Do you ever listen to his radio show when he is himself and not scripted as he is on SC?

[LPU]

Yes, but something tells me that he'd be SC "on" if he were in the Madden seat. I know he knows his stuff, and I love they guy to peezes (hey, he posts randomly on the UK message board), just don't think he'd be a good fit.

[CENSORED]

Yes, but something tells me that he'd be SC "on" if he were in the Madden seat. I know he knows his stuff, and I love they guy to peezes (hey, he posts randomly on the UK message board), just don't think he'd be a good fit.

Oh trust me, I don't think he would be an automatic good fit, that's why I said I'd like to see him get a chance at A game. He could be a flop. Though I'm not a big fan of Chris, I can actually see him doing a very good job if the rumors are true

[TheBigCat]

You guys are proving my point about Collinsworth.

[CENSORED]

You guys are proving my point about Collinsworth.

Hey, I call em as I see em. And great minds think alike BC

[Tater]

It's a sad day. Now I will have to change one of my sayings...

Ya know how when someone makes a statement so stupid that a 2 year old could figure it out? The response would be... "Thanks, John Madden".

Now I gotta go back to saying, "Thanks, Captain Obvious".

[CENSORED]

It's a sad day. Now I will have to change one of my sayings...

Ya know how when someone makes a statement so stupid that a 2 year old could figure it out? The response would be... "Thanks, John Madden".

Now I gotta go back to saying, "Thanks, Captain Obvious".

ZING!

[TheBigCat]

Beauty. I guess you can still keep the saying so long as his name is still on the console football game.

[CENSORED]

Beauty. I guess you can still keep the saying so long as his name is still on the console football game.

Think they keep his this series going forever? Or do you see them giving it another few years? It would be weird not seeing that title out there every year, and I don't even play it

[TheBigCat]

His name is going to be marketable for a while, I think. Nike is still selling Air Jordans, and how long has it been since Mike laced up a pair and did his thing on the hardwood? So Madden NFL should be a viable title from EA (I think it's EA, correct me if I'm wrong...where's 'Stoon?) for a couple more years. Depends on how long the current contract Madden has with them for his name to be on their game...and when it's up who they think would be better.

[Peggy Sawyer]

Collinsworth NFL '11!

[SpidermanHouston]

Collinsworth does do a lot of the commentating on Madden 09 along with Tom Hammond. Madden is barely a part of the game anymore. It's time for a name change. As long as it does not involve Joe Buck and Troy Aikman. That's a commentating team that I can't stand.

[LPU]

Aikman, ok. But how can you hate Joe Buck? Love that guy. He'd be a fine replacement for me.

[Brian]

He'd be a fine replacement for me.

Depends on his Photoshop skills.

[SpidermanHouston]

Aikman, ok. But how can you hate Joe Buck? Love that guy. He'd be a fine replacement for me.

Not sure. I just find him annoying. I don't like his voice. He overreacted when he called Randy Moss's fake mooning a "disgusting act."

[CENSORED]

Not sure. I just find him annoying. I don't like his voice. He overreacted when he called Randy Moss's fake mooning a "disgusting act."

x2

He has a bully mentality around other commentators, but I do have to say that he is more clear then anyone else I know

[TheBigCat]

Depends on his Photoshop skills.

*rimshot*

[vincentstuntdbl#23]

NFL draft this weekend!! :Cheers:

[waltisagiant]

NFL draft this weekend!! :Cheers:

I want B.J. Raji to fall to #10. i'm a 49er fan and would love a 350 lb. nose tackle, especially one with quickness like he has. Mark Sanchez would be my second choice but he'll be gone by pick 10.

[TheBigCat]

We'll take Raji with the #4, TYVM. Idjit Mock Drafters on ESPN think were gonna grab the WR out of TTU...yeah, good looking kid, but undersize on the D-Line was our major shortfall.

We don't need another wideout right now anyway.

[Peggy Sawyer]

Very excited about the draft, if only to have some serious football news to ponder this week. As a Pats fan, I'm still hoping they parlay some of their picks into a major vet signing like Peppers, but if we somehow manage to draft Larry English, Rey Maualuga, or Malcolm Jenkins, I'll be extremely pleased.

[vincentstuntdbl#23]

Read sumthin interesting sumwhere bout the Steelers looking at LB-Laurinaitis.
I dunno where we'd put him, but his blue collar work ethic & talent would fit right in.
I'm guessing the Steelers take either a DB or D-line in the 1st round.
I've got faith in my organization.

[Tater]

There comes a point in time where talking about football starts to suck ass and you oh so joyfully just want to WATCH some football being played on the field!!!!!!!

[TheBigCat]

There comes a point in time where talking about football starts to suck ass and you oh so joyfully just want to WATCH some football being played on the field!!!!!!!

Yeah. But let's wait until after the draft so we can all bitch about the guys our teams should have taken...and then shut up until they actually start playing. ;)

[Tater]

Yeah. But let's wait until after the draft so we can all bitch about the guys our teams should have taken...and then shut up until they actually start playing. ;)

My #1 dream for this season is for Auburn Tiger Jason Campbell have a good year for the 'Skins.

There will be hundreds of other things I will be interested in too... like our Auburn boy, Ronnie Brown, down there kicking Pats ass again this year.

Seriously... 4 rushing touchdowns & passed for a touchdown...

IN ONE FREAKIN' GAME!!!!!

RUNNING THE WILDCAT FORMATION FROM THE RUNNING BACK POSITION!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dude... seriously. 5 td's in game the way he did it... :clap:

[vincentstuntdbl#23]

Yeah. But let's wait until after the draft so we can all bitch about the guys our teams should have taken...and then shut up until they actually start playing. ;)
I usually don't have that problem. ;)
Now lotsa fans round here (NE OH) usually do tho. :p

[soup]

I usually don't have that problem. ;)
Now lotsa fans round here (NE OH) usually do tho. :p

As opposed to those holier-than-thou PITT fans.:D

As a Pats fan, I'm still hoping they parlay some of their picks into a major vet signing like Peppers, but if we somehow manage to draft Larry English, Rey Maualuga, or Malcolm Jenkins, I'll be extremely pleased.

I'm holding out hope for English. He looks like a stud waiting to happen. After Mayo last year, I think Bill has his groove on with the LB's.

As a UCONN fan, I'm interested in our guys. Donald Brown was great on the NFL network, good attitude and work ethic. Darius Butler is a great athlete who will likely be a return guy, too. Beatty is a good LT, and Cody Brown a nice DE. We should get all four in the first day (2 rounds), at least 3. Peter King thinks the Pats take Butler (if not Harvin) at 23, I think he's nuts. DEFENSE!

[Peggy Sawyer]

I'm holding out hope for English. He looks like a stud waiting to happen. After Mayo last year, I think Bill has his groove on with the LB's.

As a UCONN fan, I'm interested in our guys. Donald Brown was great on the NFL network, good attitude and work ethic. Darius Butler is a great athlete who will likely be a return guy, too. Beatty is a good LT, and Cody Brown a nice DE. We should get all four in the first day (2 rounds), at least 3. Peter King thinks the Pats take Butler (if not Harvin) at 23, I think he's nuts. DEFENSE!

English is definitely my pick of choice if he's still there. There's a LOT of Butler speculation out there, though. I'm fine with him, he just wouldn't be my choice at 23.

There will be hundreds of other things I will be interested in too... like our Auburn boy, Ronnie Brown, down there kicking Pats ass again this year.

Seriously... 4 rushing touchdowns & passed for a touchdown...

IN ONE FREAKIN' GAME!!!!!

RUNNING THE WILDCAT FORMATION FROM THE RUNNING BACK POSITION!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dude... seriously. 5 td's in game the way he did it... :clap:

You can fool us once with that high-school play, but not twice! The Wildcat showed his claws, was tamed, now he sits in his bed meowing for attention while Bill eats all his Fish. :p

[CENSORED]

You can fool us once with that high-school play, but not twice! The Wildcat showed his claws, was tamed, now he sits in his cage meowing for attention while Bill eats all his Fish. :p

Yeah, it helps when it was something that wasn't really done at all by any team in the NFL to that extreme. I give them all the credit in the world for fooling the crap out of the Pats and pulling one over them, but as you could tell come the playoffs, no one is fooled anymore. Not to mention that as the season went along they seemed to have to add even more parts to the play just to make it successful.

[Tater]

You can fool us once with that high-school play, but not twice! The Wildcat showed his claws, was tamed, now he sits in his bed meowing for attention while Bill eats all his Fish. :p

Don't make excuses for the single-handed beatdown my Auburn boy laid out on the Cheatriots. :nanabobo:

...but not twice!

That IS why they have practice to learn new ways to beat up on the Sucktriots!! :mischievo

[2fingers]

Larry Fitzgerald and Troy Pallamolu are the Madden 2010 cover boys? So they are trying to mess up two guys seasons now? And yes TBC it is an EA game.

[CENSORED]

Larry Fitzgerald and Troy Pallamolu are the Madden 2010 cover boys? So they are trying to mess up two guys seasons now? And yes TBC it is an EA game.

I think they're going to do what they do with NCAA football by putting one player on the cover for x360, and one for PS3 (not actually dure of this, just a thought)

[CENSORED]

oh, and sorry to say Tate, but the Dolphin's are finishing tied for last in the AFC East this year. No wildcat formation will help them this year

[2fingers]

nope they are both on the same cover from the few promo pictures I have seen. They could be fake though

[SpidermanHouston]

nope they are both on the same cover from the few promo pictures I have seen. They could be fake though

It is real. They put a billboard up at Times Square.

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[TheBigCat]

fumble in

three...

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[Peggy Sawyer]

That IS why they have practice to learn new ways to beat up on the Sucktriots!! :mischievo

Careful...Bill Belichick is Jacob, you know.

http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk88/peggysawyer1/belichick1.jpg

Edit after season 5 finale: Make that UnLocke.

[Tater]

oh, and sorry to say Tate, but the Dolphin's are finishing tied for last in the AFC East this year. No wildcat formation will help them this year

Hey... I ain't no 'Phins fan, per say. I just like seeing my Auburn Boy, Ronnie Brown, play well.

Just like last year in the playoffs... I wasn't really a Cardinals "fan" but I liked seeing Rod Hood and Karlos Dansby out there playing great D.

I do not have a "team" in the NFL. Everyone I root for, it's generally because of Auburn players on their team.

Careful...Bill Belichick is Jacob, you know.

http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk88/peggysawyer1/belichick1.jpg


:lmao:

Good one, Peggy! :highfive:

[soup]

Who's bright idea was it to start this draft at 4PM? Please, can someone tell me? Dumb. Plus, I'll be at my daughter's softball practice, so I'll miss the beginning. Should be home in time for Pats at 23, though. I'm sure Bill will get accused of cheating with whatever pick we make.:DeadHorse: