Mind Altering Drugs

[agentalana]

okay, so I thought there had already been some speculation on here about Kristin's SPOILER....



the one that said we will soon discover that one of the survivors is on mind-altering drugs and quickly running out

but I can't find the thread, so here ya go, I have been thinking this for a bit and in light of the newest "All the Best Cowboys have Daddy Issues" pictures, I think there may be something to the guess that it is Jack on the drugs rather than Claire or even Sayid who was recently drugged up by Danielle.... I mean he IS seeing his dead father running around the island, and we know he had done something that drove his father to desperation, also in the pictures he looks a bit out of it, and he has been reluctant to step up as leader for some unknown reason... I don't know if I am right or not, but it would be a surprising spin and help explain him some

[killbuckner]

uhhh.... or maybe Charlie was on heroin and had a dwindling supply?

[agentalana]

yeah he was smart alec... but this spoiler is new, came later

[drabauer]

Hmmm.. many, many doctors become addicted to prescription drugs. But I suppose Jack could be psychotic as well. Maybe his mother is cruel enough to have attacked him for that ("after what you did"), even though it was not something he could control (unless he went off his meds). It would explain why he's working so hard--often schizophrenics thry to involve themselves in one intense activity to block out voices. But voices are the most common manifestation (which is why Danielle fits the profile almost *too* well).

So far I've seen Jack, Locke and Boone (my guess) proposed. Anyone want to put forward another candidate?

[Hawkmistress]

I wonder sometimes if there is some kind of plant life on the island that has a hallucinogenic effect?

Maybe more of this plant is growing in the area where Danielle lives which explains her insanity and Sayid also hearing the whispers at the end of last Wednesday's episode? Maybe the behavior of Robert and the other members of her team was induced by a hallucinogenic plant but Danielle, herself not completely in her right mind, thought they were infected by a virus.

Maybe Locke's paralysis was psychosomatic and the shock of the crash brought about his "recovery"? But if there's a plant toxin adrift in the air, he probably has been inhaling way too much of it because of all the time he spends in the jungle. So that may explain his looking "into the eye of the island" and seeing that it was "beautiful".

Maybe Jack inhaled too much of this plant toxin as well, causing him to hallucinate the vision of his dead man walking father.

Maybe Sun's skill with herbal remedies is a clue to the presence of a hallucinogenic plant?

But then it doesn't explain the appearance of the polar bear right after Walt saw it in the comic book UNLESS the plant toxin induces some kind of mild telepathy, so Sayid's party hallucinated the bear based on somehow picking up Walt's thoughts? Maybe there was more of the plant growing in their vicinity which is why no one on the beach was affected.

In other words, maybe the strange things that are happening on the island aren't really happening but the survivors are experiencing them because they're all stoned.

[agentalana]

the thing is the way the spoiler sounds, seems as though the survivor isn't so much addicted to the medication just dependant on it for their sanity, not like Charlie's addiction... it doesn't seem like the meds are the problem, but the lack of them and the resulting lack of sanity in their absense

[jekelish]

yes please.

oh, sorry, i saw the "mind altering drugs" and thought you were offering.

carry on.

:hat

[jekelish]

by the way, ever think that the castaway with "mind altering drugs running out" could be one of the lesser known folks that we really havent gotten to know? at this point, it could be anybody...even Chuck.

:hat

[AilaAolani]

Could be anyone, but this could be really bad. I mean, if I were to run out of my drugs on this island you'd have to just leave me tied to a tree to keep me from hurting myself or someone else through sheer stupidity...

[alliemum]

Forgive me if this topic has been discussed in depth; I did search but couldn't find much, but perhaps it's been pruned.

This morning I was giving a lecture on ergotism and the dance mania of the 14-17 centuries, and some similarities struck me between what's happening on the Island and what happened with ergotism. Ergot poisoning produces LSD symptoms, out of body experienced, changes reality, and the sufferers of ergotism also believed they saw the heavens opening up, or saw God. A common cure for the dance mania was thought to be baptism.

Anyway I wondered if there are some plants being grown intentionally on the island that might have hallucinogenic effect that can account for odd behavior, visions, and flashbacks. Perhaps the flashbacks aren't even flashbacks to reality, but are somehow skewed because of the plant toxicity.

Kava seems a likely suspect, having been used ceremonially in the Pacific Islands. Perhaps there is some sort of "Super Kava" botanical experiment going on that's causing hallucinogenic effects on the Island?

My evidence:

1. The episodes that begin with the dialation of the pupils (Kava and other plant hallucinogens have this effect).

2. Kava causes a scaly skin eruption, perhaps similar to the skin rash suffered by one of the Losties in the early episodes.

3. Kava, like other plant hallucinogens, has religious significance for the users in ceremonies. It's thought to connect the users to God or gods.

4. Mass hallucination? Under times of social stress, maybe the simple suggestion of a hallucination (Do you see a horse?) will cause the others to share the same hallucination. This is thought to be the case with ergotism.

5. Whispers in the woods might not be "others", but an auditory hallucination.

6. Hallucinogens could account for the "disconnect" between characters.

7. Locke may or may not have used some sort of hallucinogen on the island, in the paste he put on Boone's head.

8. Some of the types of experiences/dreams they are having appear to be pretty powerful out-of-body experiences, like Boone's dream and Charlie's hallucinations/sleepwalking involving Aaron.

Kava probably isn't a perfect fit, as far as which plant it could be; it's only a hallucinogenic when taken in huge amounts. I did think that both the rash and the dialating pupil could be significant.

[Subject # 4815162342]

I LIKE hallucinogenic plants.........theories....*cough*

[LostInWilderness]

We had discussion on something in the air and something in the water long long ago. It was very popular, but I don't know any of the threads. Maybe somebody can present a link.

ETA: Duh. I found one just by doing a boolean search for
hallucenog*
in T&S and the T&S archives.

[Homer Noodleman]

You might be amused by and interested in The Dark Territories -- Approximation One (http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10501). We take our plants waaaay beyond just being hallucinogenic.

[jmb3rg3r]

Hurley and/or Libby could be on medication for mental conditions. A scrip bottle that is running out... Hopefully not antipsychotics!

[bigmouth]

The pineal gland actually secretes a natural hallucinogen called DMT. Exposure to magnetic fields stimulates the pineal gland. Many mystics believe that the pineal gland is actually our psychic "third" or "mind's" eye. Lovecraft believed that psychic beings would sometimes broadcast vivid dream visions to artists, poets, etc. via the pineal gland.

Starting to sound familiar?

[LOSTITE]

In this last episode - "Dave"

Hurley is given 2 pills of "clonazepam". I actually thought there was something interesting in the way they kept saying the name of the drug. After having my physchiatrist friend watch the episode & see what they thought about this drug, I found that not only does this drug NOT actually help with hallucinations but in fact it is mostly used for anxiety. If one experiences hallucinations while on Clonazepam it is recommended that one cease taking this drug.

That being said, I think I have a theory...

1. The writers of this episode completely missed the mark & decided on just picking a drug name out of the physchiatric manual for pills...

OR

2. The writer intentionally chose this drug as the highlighted drug that Hurley takes on the episode. It seems that either the doctor is in on the whole "island" testing & was giving him an anti-anxiety pill for severe physical hallucinations. This also would seem to tie in a lot of things as to why the peoeple on the island are acting like "guinea pigs" having to push buttons, follow trails, etc...

I think that the whole island is a rat cage & the scientists are the Dharma leaders. I also think that each of these people were chosen in some way to be on this plane & even though they think they have been making their own decisions. They have been secretly manipulated & played this whole time & maybe even most of their lives to be on this island.

OK...after reading this back, I see that maybe it is me that needs to be on drugs more than Hurley but, alas, that is why :ImLost:

[LostInWilderness]

Thanks for updating this thread LOSTITE.

[jadedscenester]

7. Locke may or may not have used some sort of hallucinogen on the island, in the paste he put on Boone's head.


First post, but I recently started thinking about this exact topic and did a search for hallucinogens, so here i am.

i think its almost a certainty that locke created some kind of hallucinogenic drug, and gave it to boone. "so that's what it made you see?" such a statement would not have been said otherwise. the question in my mind is, was locke using it as well. good evidence for this is that at around the same time he was with boone out in the jungle, he had a vision of boone bloodied up, and had a vision of the nigerian plane crashing. the plane crash had to be a vision, as it would have crashed long before flight 815 (it took off from africa while eko was still there; he would have to have had time to get to australia and then to the island in the same amount of time as the church plane).

so i'm pretty certain about locke using it as well. however, is it possible he is drugging the other survivors? several others have experienced what may have been visions: sayid/shannon (walt), sawyer/kate (black horse), everyone who has heard the whispers...

[LOST_523]

I BELIEVE ALL OF THE ADMINISTORS ARE THE OTHERS!!!!!!!!!!