EPISODE 3 - TABULA RASA

[truffula]

Really sorry if I'm steppin on admins toes here, just jumpin at the bit.:D

The original thread is here:
p073.ezboard.com/flosttheunofficalforumfortheabcseriesfrm40.showMes sage?topicID=8.topic (http://p073.ezboard.com/flosttheunofficalforumfortheabcseriesfrm40.showMes sage?topicID=8.topic)
Wow, I just checked the original link, and most of it is Gone cuz of hack!!:(

After round 1 of my analysis, here's what I got from this ep:

LOST Season One - Episode 3 - Tabula Rasa
Kate Backstory #1

Opens on beach - NO eye shot
Marshall Mars to Jack "Don't trust her, she's dangerous" - I get the feeling the Marshall knows alot more than we do about Kate
Kate's criminal ID on her mugshot reads : Harrison Valley Police
with the numbers: 961136 in white and I think 394.81 smaller and disorganized
QUESTION: Kate's mugshot was page 2 of a fax, what was on page 1?
(I assume it was a cover sheet but WHAT was on it? - probably NOT anything important)
Kate to Sawyer on hike home after they decide to camp and Sawyer wants to go on alone: "Sayid's right, you keep walking and you're not going to make it to the beach." Sawyer responds "Yeah, why's that?" and Kate just says "trust me"
I SUSPECT KATE of something, it almost seems like she knows something about the island/what happened/what's gonna happen......
Sayid "Hope is a very dangerous thing to lose" - i get a feeling we're gonna see this eventually
Hurley finds Kate's mugshot
FB 1 - Kate lies to Aussie man "Ray Mullen" - says her name is Annie from Canada, a recent college grad flew into Melbourne
Ray's wife died 8 months ago - Ray has a FAKE RIGHT ARM!!
NOTE: possible connections between Danielle's crewman who lost his arm (Montan?), Ray Mullen, and Mrs. Toomey - LOST limbs.
DAY 3
Kate tells Jack about French womans transmission - Kate "I wanted to tell YOU" (and why Jack, hmmm? he will become a leader eventually, or does Kate just have a crush on Jack? Its never that simple)
Charlie uses Locke's wheelchair to help Claire move luggage "whosever this was is probably better off than we are" - if only he knew
FB 2 - Pears and it looks like pickles in jars in Ray's cupboard dated 2003
Kate to Ray "I've got trust issues", Kates been there almost 3 months - for TIMELINE
Ray to Kate "I get it, you know, Everyone deserves a fresh start"
NO PLANE WHOOOSH goin into 3rd part of FB, Patsy Kline song used instead - this IS NOT IMPORTANT.
$23,000 reward for Kate - Marshall not dressed as marshall should (suit)
Mike and Walt in the rain: Mr. Locke told Walt things that are a secret, not to tell Mike; Locke said a miracle happened to him (legs); Mike: "I'll get your dog back as soon as it stops raining" BAM a look from Walt, BAM stops raining.
Mike hears boar (I assume) in jungle, runs into a topless Sun!!
Locke knows how to make a dog whistle out of bamboo - How?
Marshall says "She'll do anything to get away"
Marshall Mars wears a wedding ring, Mars' rental truck licence: ALK-125
NIGHT 3 - Sawyer can't even LIGHT his smoke after he messed up shooting the Marshall, he just tosses it (not me). Sawyer shoots marshall the night AFTER the tranciever hike (or during storm?)
Locke uses dogwhistle to get Vincent
Jack to Kate "we should all be able to start over" - Kate was willing to tell Jack what she did, why the marshall was chasin her
1st song of LOST soundtrack "Wash Away" by Joe Purdy (as heard through Hurleys headphones)
Charlie changes FATE to LATE on finger tape
last line of song "i'm gonna take them away" looking at Mike reuniting Walt with Vincent, pan around to CREEPY LOCKE!!


This is a direct copy from my notes I took as I first rewatched this ep. I also cap as I watch, but the best thing this ep yielded was some cool snaps of the tail breaking off.
Here's one of em:
img285.echo.cx/img285/9819/tailsection39ft.jpg (http://img285.echo.cx/img285/9819/tailsection39ft.jpg)
The ep reairs on ABC in 15 min. here in Philly, guess where I'll be......:p

Again, Suil, I apologize if this is stepping on the admins toes.

Bring it ON folks!!!:D :D :D

Peace,
Truff

[truffula]

Just finished watchin the reairing.
Two things not included above that I noticed:

Marshalls temperature is pushing 104 says Jack.

-and-

"You really are ONE OF A KIND" Marshall to Kate (does this involve the TWINS theory?)
This I really want to go on about, but I just don't have the energy right now.

Peace,
Truffula

[Freckles88]

Thats a SAD episode! I forgot how depressing it was.

I want to know exactly what Kate did. How bad would a crime have to be before you get a marshall chasing after you all the way to Australia?

I think theres more history to Kate and the Marshall besides what we've been shown this season. They just seem too...friendly? with each other. Not friendly, but its almost like they've known each other for a while.

[truffula]

I agree Freckles. There's more to Kate and the Marshall than we've seen so far.
I have this theory that what we saw in this episode is NOT what lead Kate/Marshall onto flight 815, I think it takes place at least a year BEFORE the flight. The only proof of this I can offer is - in the FB scene where Kate is taking her earnings out of hiding from Ray's storage closet, ALL the jars are marked 2003. From other info gathered, Kate had been with Ray for 3 months when he turned her in.
I guess this all boils down to the fact that I DON'T TRUST KATE AT ALL. Of all the survivors we've met so far, her past is the shadiest.
I'm not gonna try to make more sense of this now, I'm too tired.

Keep Em Comin!!!8)

Peace,
truff

[Sarahs Monkey]

Whenever I see the Marshall, I get upset he's dead, because I think about how great scenes between him and Sawyer would be. Seeing the similarities between those two, and Kate's apparent feelings for Sawyer later in the season, could there be a history between Kate and the Marshall? Maybe that's why the chase seems so personal between them (at least on the Marshall's end)?

[Homer Noodleman]

That certainly was a melancholy episode. Put into what context we have from the rest of the season their scenes on the island sure played differently than the first time I saw it. Of course, the "marshall" trying to strangle Kate still jumped out as a significant act that points to something other than a criminal being transported. His conversations with Jack were interestng too... while delerious he kept calling her dangerous, but when he was more lucid he ducked Jack's question of what she had done (for obvious narrative purposes I suppose), and just warned Jack she would do anything to escape.

The sequence that really struck me was when Kate was asking Jack if the marshal would suffer. First time through I figured it was just Kate worried the marshal would talk before he died, that's clearly what Jack thinks when he tells her he has seen the wanted poster and berates Kate that he, presumably unlike her, isn't a killer. What I missed the first time was Kate's sadness inside the tent. Inspite of the relentless pursuit, and all of the marshal's earlier taunting of her, this clearly isn't the end she wanted. Most surprisingly, the marshal asks Kate to mercy kill him. That was the first time I did give credence to the notion the marshal may have been Kate's alluded to husband in her brief marriage. That was a tenderly done scene. Very odd.

[scottq74]

Patsy Kline song used instead - this IS NOT IMPORTANT.

Important? Maybe, maybe not. Patsy Kline's most famous song was "Crazy," after all.

...This was my first time seeing this episode. (Tabula Rasa was the only ep I hadn't seen at all... I missed the ending of Walkabout because of technical difficulties with the local ABC station).

Lots of great scenes, but my favorite was when Jack and Sawyer were both going through the bags in the fuselage. Jack seems to be going through bags and purses looking ONLY for meds. Sawyer is looking for stuff like "booze, smokes... a couple Playboys." Jack calls it "looting," and Sawyer responds something to the effect, "You act like we're still back in civilization, but I'm in the wild!" Great scene!

[Clairvoyance]

Finally! This was my first time seeing this ep as well. My first was Walkabout and they clearly have replayed the Pilot since then but never Tabula Rasa.
Even though I knew everything that happens from reading transcripts and posts, it was still very good. I was surprised I wasn't predicting what was going to happen . I was actually in the moment. This ep did give me more sympathy for Kate. Not empathy, sympathy. And I agree with what someone above/\ said about there being a larger history btw Kate and the Marshall.
Also, so great to see Sawyer back when he was still missunderstood and hated.
Hurley had lots of "dude" moments.
Jack before he wanted to be responsible for everything.
Locke before he steps up.
Claire before she's a stressed out mom.
Just a lot of sweet beginnings of things. Before all the drama.
Very good ep indead.

[STACHERSMOM]

That was the first time I did give credence to the notion the marshal may have been Kate's alluded to husband in her brief marriage. That was a tenderly done scene. Very odd.

IMO, Kate and the Marshal definitely has some deep seeded connection. In all the scenes they are in together, they seem to talk and interact with each other on a much deeper level than just the obvious. My thoughts were possibly the childhood boyfriend's brother, relative of whomever wrote the letter telling Kate about her mother. Ex-hubby would be a good guess as well.

[mzsandeestar]

I don't know how anyone can call Kate sociopathic after watching that episode. She clearly puts the Australian farmer's life above her own well being. She couldn't kill the marshall. She wants Jack to understand her story. She wants him to see that there is good inside of her.


Interesting thought about the marshall possibly being Kate's ex husband. She is clearly upset by his death.


I loved seeing Sawyer so upset when he mishandled the mercy killing. It was great acting from Josh .

Did anyone ever give a clear meaning for what tabula rasa could mean in this context? I remember the discussions, but I don't remember the conclusion.

There is just so much to appreciate when you see it all the second time and you know what is coming .

I will not mind watching reruns all summer .

This is the most powerful writing and acting I have ever seen on TV.

[WVDragonlady]

This was one of the eps I missed also(i know 10 lashes).

Did it strike anyone else funny that one of the times that the marshall was awake he says to Jack" She got to you to."or " Don't let her get to you to"? I can't remember which he said.But when he did I said hmmm...really?

I thought it was odd that when Sawyer wants to shoot the marshall to put him out of misery he chooses the chest! WTF?
If you're gonna actually KILL somebody/thing you go for the head.duh.

I thought it was very telling of Said's character when he tossed the apple to Sawyer near the end of the ep.nice.
(also just before that, we ladies had a good shot of "man body" crossing in front of him).

Also I didn't think that the shot of Locke was "evil" per say.Just that he's sitting in the Sun with no sunglasses and was squinting.Maybe thinking of his dad?dunno.

[LoStMyMiNd]

This was truly a treat as I had not seen the 1st half hour (thought it was on at 9pm). Anyway, I too think there is more to the marshall's relationship with Kate. But knowing what we know now, I wonder why she didn't get the keys to the case out of his pocket? And also knowing what we know now.....how did she know they were in his pocket. Seems to me a marshall would be kind of secretative about where he put the keys to that important suitcase unless, of course, he and she had something going on....past lover???? hmmmm

[DohBoy]

A couple of new observations (for me 'cuz I'm slow):

1. Walt stopped the rain (so it seems).

2. Is Kate "unbreakable" or rather incredibly lucky? (There is a thread on being unbreakable in the Theories forum that is now dead.) Here's what I think:

- Kate survives a car crash totally uninjured, but the one-armed driver is severly hurt.
- Kate survives a hail of bullets through the windshield when her doctor/boyfriend dies (this car also crashes).
- Kate survives the plane crash totally uninjured, but the Marshall is severly injured.

Makes me wonder what else Kate has miraculously survived throughout her life.

[acovell]

Did anyone ever give a clear meaning for what tabula rasa could mean in this context? I remember the discussions, but I don't remember the conclusion.

"Tabula rasa" means "blank slate". I think they're just referring to the idea that everyone on the island has a fresh start -- both Mullen and Jack said "everyone deserves a fresh start" to Kate.

[acovell]

This was the first time I saw this episode, and these are the things that jumped out at me:

Jack can't say the word "die". Whenever anyone asks him if Mars is going to die (and Hurley says it about 10 times in one scene), Jack can't or won't say the word.

The first commercial on the first commercial break was for Carnival Cruise Line, and the song they were playing was "Beyond the Sea" -- just a cute little co-inky-dink.

Kate knows how to work a farm -- per her conversation with the farmer.

It looks to me as if, by the end of the season, Hurley has, in fact, lost a little weight.

Both the farmer and Jack say "everyone deserves a fresh start" -- that happens a lot on this show -- different characters saying the same lines.

Mars trying to strangle Kate -- whatever was between them is clearly personal.

The rain stopping after Michael says he'll look for Vincent as soon as the rain stops.

Locke making a bamboo dog whistle. In what survivalist training do they teach you to make bamboo dog whistles?

Mars to Jack re Kate -- "she got to you, too, huh?" Clearly, Kate got to Mars at some point.

Mars won't tell Jack what Kate did. My guess is it's because 1) it would be embarassing for Mars or 2) whatever she did wasn't all that bad. Once again -- Mars has a personal vendetta against Kate for some reason.

Sayid tosses Sawyer an apple. Sawyer looks perplexed.

[Hodgepodge]

acovell says:...Jack can't say the word "die". Whenever anyone asks him if Mars is going to die (and Hurley says it about 10 times in one scene), Jack can't or won't say the word...I think this is the first time we see Jack's "not being able to let go" syndrome. Manifested throughout this first season of Lost.

[LoStMyMiNd]

It also just dawned on me in this episode that the reward was $23,000 and Kate wanted to make sure it got delivered

[equinox]

"- Kate survives a car crash totally uninjured, but the one-armed driver is severly hurt.
- Kate survives a hail of bullets through the windshield when her doctor/boyfriend dies (this car also crashes).
- Kate survives the plane crash totally uninjured, but the Marshall is severly injured."

Anyway, I wouldn't go into a car with her. Hurley would interpret that as "luck for you, badluck for the people around you". Hell, Kate's luck makes Hurley look like an ordinary guy.

[Noav Sigless]

A dog whistle cannot be heard by human ears. What Locke made was a simple whistle.

[equinox]

It wasn't heard by human ears, was it?

[lostmio]

I think it takes place at least a year BEFORE the flight. The only proof of this I can offer is - in the FB scene where Kate is taking her earnings out of hiding from Ray's storage closet, ALL the jars are marked 2003. From other info gathered, Kate had been with Ray for 3 months when he turned her in.

Some of the jars were marked 2004.

[lostmio]

Kate knows how to work a farm --

And sew curtains, crew j-boats, and track animals in the woods.

[Noav Sigless]

It was heard by my human ears.

[mzsandeestar]

OMG Maybe some of the humans are actually dogs. j/k

[WVDragonlady]

WOOF! WOOF! (big dog ya know.) he,he

[moongirl0719]

First time I saw this ep, too. I had been looking forward to the repeat all season. Funny how many people did not get to see this the first time around! Here's a few things I noticed:

I thought it was interesting that Locke chose to allow Michael to pretend that he found Vincent for Walt. That was really a nice moment, which in turn lead me to wonder, Why on earth would Michael hate Locke so much when he's clearly so nice to him? I was talking about it with the hubby and he believes it's bc Michael doesn't like Locke showing him up, ie. he's resentful and jealous. It seems pretty evident later on that it kills Michael that Walt looks up to Locke instead of him.

I, too, noticed 2003 on the jars but I didn't see 2004.

As for the relationship between Kate and Marshall, I thought she got particularly, eerily, close to his face when she leaned over him. Gosh I thought she was going to kiss him at one point!

I also have something else to bring up about Ray. Now, we have discussed on here the possibility that Ray was the one who hit Sam Toomey and his wife with his pick-up truck. Sam's wife Martha tells Hurley it happened 16 years ago. Does Ray at any point mention that his wife died, or when? I can't remember.

[Hodgepodge]

moongirl0719 asks:...I also have something else to bring up about Ray. Now, we have discussed on here the possibility that Ray was the one who hit Sam Toomey and his wife with his pick-up truck. Sam's wife Martha tells Hurley it happened 16 years ago. Does Ray at any point mention that his wife died, or when? I can't remember.I don't believe he does. And, when we picked up on Martha's story, everybody made a beeline to re-watch Tabula Rasa. But we couldn't find any additional evidence. I just think it fits perfectly myself!

[Freckles88]

Actually, Jack does say the word 'die'. Though only once, I think.

----

Hurley

Oh. Yeah. [Looking at the Marshal.] So what's his story? He looks kind of. . . dying.

Jack

He's not going to die.

Hurley

He's yellow, man.

((Oh, and another time, though its 'died'.))

Jack

I don't want to know. It doesn't matter, Kate, who we were - what we did before this, before the crash. It doesn't really. . . 3 days ago we all died. We should all be able to start over.

[equinox]

"It was heard by my human ears."

LOL. OK, then it's another whistle than the one he uses later in episode "Special". That one isn't supposed to be heard, and Boone comments about it. I had it in mind because "Special" is the episode that aired here yesterday (I'm watching the French version of the series in Canada). It has been some time since "Tabula Rasa".

"Does Ray at any point mention that his wife died, or when?"

In the scene in the kitchen, Ray says: "My wife died 8 months ago Wednesday." So that would be almost 11 months before the plane crash.

[WVDragonlady]

I'm SO jealous of multilingual type people!:\

[Susan B Anthony]

I loved the song they played at the end of the episode? Anyone know where to find it? I put "Joe Purdy" into Amazon and came up with bupkis.

[lostmio]

I also have something else to bring up about Ray. Now, we have discussed on here the possibility that Ray was the one who hit Sam Toomey and his wife with his pick-up truck. Sam's wife Martha tells Hurley it happened 16 years ago. Does Ray at any point mention that his wife died, or when? I can't remember.
RAY MULLEN: "My wife died eight months ago Wednesday. She left me with too many
chores and a hell of a mortgage. "

[truffula]

In the scene in the kitchen, Ray says: "My wife died 8 months ago Wednesday." So that would be almost 11 months before the plane crash.

As far as Ray Mullen being the driver who hit Sam Toomey and his wife, this is and excerpt of my notes from "Numbers":

"Sam and Lenny were in Navy together, monitoring longwave transmissions out of the Pacific, 16 years ago they heard the numbers, later at fair, Sam wins $50,000 from some guy Phil for guessing the number of beans in a jar - he uses the numbers (first use?), Phil had been running scam for 40 years. On the way home - car accident, Mrs. Toomey now has a fake left leg, Sam was unharmed."

11 months before crash just doesn't add up with Mrs. Toomey's story. Nice idea for a possible connection though.

A New Observation:
Lots of references to car accidents - Ray and wife, Michael, Toomey and wife, Locke (although he wasn't hurt), Kate and Dr. Tom....any more I can't remember offhand.

Thats all I have for now.
Peace,
Truffula

[DeweyCNY]

I just wanted to comment on the fact that the jars had 2003 written on them.. Jars of homemade food could certainly be more than a year old. They are also normally made at one point of the year. All that means is that it was at least Autralian harvest season (I believe theirs would be our Spring) of 2003.

Hey I still have jars of relish and pickles my Mom made dated 1998 on them so...

[Sweet Doo]

yeah, now i really want to know what kate did. originally, i thought she had just killed her father, but that wouldn't cause the marshall to go to austrailia, and there wouldn't be posters in the post office if she just did that.

[thoughtform]

Ray's wife dying 11 months before Kate's arrest does not preclude her from being in the accident that caused Ray to lose his arm. It is possible that Ray with or without his wife in the vehicle was in the accident involving Sam Toomey and his wife, 16 years ago. He never said his wife was killed in a car accident. Now as far as there being a lot of car accidents (not to mention some involving the SAME car), there is a thread in the general discussion area a couple of pages back that really goes into detail about it. The thread is titled- It's the same car!!

[Locke Contra Jack]

Did anybody notice that after Sawyer's attempt to kill the Marshall, that Jack goes in there and you here the Marshall choke even more? Could this be Jack finishing him off? Also, at the end of the episode, Jack as a bunch of cuts on his knuckles. Is there any explanation for this?

[Sarahs Monkey]

Did anybody notice that after Sawyer's attempt to kill the Marshall, that Jack goes in there and you here the Marshall choke even more?

Yes, Jack is forced to suffocate the Marshall because of Sawyer's actions, that is why Jack gets so mad at Sawyer.

[RLB47]

Susan, Here's some things I found about the song.

October 2004
Joe's new song "Wash Away" was featured on October 6th's episode of "LOST" on ABC. The song is now available on his new release, "julie blue".
www.joepurdy.com/ (http://www.joepurdy.com/)

The "julie blue" in the quote is a clickable link; you can listen to the song.
www.cdbaby.com/joepurdy2 (http://www.cdbaby.com/joepurdy2)

This transcript site has the lyrics (near bottom of page, above the credits)
anthology.webphilia.com/t...20rasa.txt (http://anthology.webphilia.com/transcripts/lost/lost-1X03-tabula%20rasa.txt)

[Locke Contra Jack]

Do you think having to finish off the marshall effected Jack in any significant way that will effect his character later on?

[KazMommy2006]

I thought it was odd that when Sawyer wants to shoot the marshall to put him out of misery he chooses the chest! WTF?

I thought that was odd too. You'd think Sawyer of all people would have known to go for the head.

I have a question that I've been wondering about. Before the tail section breaks off, the marshal is knocked unconscious, and his head/face is bloodied- even before the oxygen masks came down, because Kate had to put his mask on him. I've been trying to figure out what hit him. Look at the pic link that's in the original post on this thread. He's the only person in that section that's injured at that point. I don't have it to go back and re-watch. Anyone know?

[Hodgepodge]

KazMommy2006 asks:...I have a question that I've been wondering about. Before the tail section breaks off, the marshal is knocked unconscious, and his head/face is bloodied- even before the oxygen masks came down, because Kate had to put his mask on him. I've been trying to figure out what hit him. Look at the pic link that's in the original post on this thread. He's the only person in that section that's injured at that point. I don't have it to go back and re-watch. Anyone know?KazMommy2006, he was hit by a case from an overhead bin. There's been speculation it was Kate's case from Whatever the Case May Be. And that's how it ended up under those passengers seats.

[KazMommy2006]

Ahh. Ok. Thanks. I thought I was going to have to wait for the DVD to get my answer. lol

That makes sense though- about it being Kate's case. It just happened so fast I couldn't tell what hit him.

[mystjade]

When I rewatched the section Of Tabula Rasa were the marshell makes his speech against Kate. It struck me as odd how the marshell spoke of kate when warning Jack about her. "no matter what she does, no matter how she makes you feel", it sounded as if he was talking about an ex-lover, or at the very least someone who had fooled him once. Particulerly how he says to jack "she got to you too".

[Hodgepodge]

I'm sure Mystjade you read the speculations about Kate and the Marshal's relationship when this episode first aired? I don't know if I ever bought into it, but this dialog sure makes you think something was going on between them.

[mystjade]

Yes I read about, it but nothing in the later Kate episodes really contributed to it. So I pretty much disregarded it, intill I rewatched the episode.

[lostmio]

The discussion between below was Looloolou and me on the
Exodus One thread, but I'm quoting here because it relates to Tabula Rasa.

When the marshall comes up behind the truck, what appears to be a car chase ensues. Why? If the farmer is to deliver Kate to the marshall, why is he following them and why does the farmer speed up?

LOO:
But what about the scene in the pilot where the "Marshall" comes to get her? Why crash the truck? And what about the conversation about the reward money? Why would she be worried about the farmer getting the reward money if she wasn't really a fugitive?

[equinox]

biscuitmom wrote:
When the marshall comes up behind the truck, what appears to be a car chase ensues. Why? If the farmer is to deliver Kate to the marshall, why is he following them and why does the farmer speed up?
I did not see it as a car chase. It's just that after having followed the truck for some time, the marshal pulls his car beside the truck and looks at Kate. At that point, the truck doesn't speed up because of the marshal, although it moves to the other side of the road (that is the right side, since it's Australia) to leave some space to the marshal's car that has come on its left. Then a car comes in the other direction, so the farmer speeds up (and/or the marshal slows down) a bit to get back in line on the correct side of the road (left side) in its initial position in front of the marshal's car. They seem to remain at a relatively normal speed all the time. After that Kate grabs the wheel and sends the truck into the scenery.

However, I've not quite understood what exactly was the scenario that the farmer and the marshal had planned for the transfer of Kate from one to the other. Maybe the farmer was supposed to stop at that restaurant that he mentioned and the marshal was supposed to show up at that point and arrest Kate. When that did not occur, because Kate said she preferred not to stop at the restaurant, maybe that's when the marshal decided to pull his car beside the truck.

[lostmio]

Thanks, Austra. That would make sense for now. Like everything else, there may be more to the story.

[Hodgepodge]

austrasiel says:However, I've not quite understood what exactly was the scenario that the farmer and the marshal had planned for the transfer of Kate from one to the other. Maybe the farmer was supposed to stop at that restaurant that he mentioned and the marshal was supposed to show up at that point and arrest Kate. When that did not occur, because Kate said she preferred not to stop at the restaurant, maybe that's when the marshal decided to pull his car beside the truck.You know, this is an interesting thought! I too thought Kate had something to do with the pickup crashing. But you're right Austrasiel, how were they going to make the transfer. When and how did Ray and the Marshal contact one another? Wouldn't have been easier to let the Marshal take her while she was asleep the night before?

[lostmio]

Homer: I'm thinking about the efficiency with a pistol she has demonstrated several times, her trunk full of plates, her fighting skills and the envelope of money somebody sent her at a mail drop. Somebody got a hold of her and trained her, and this happened after her unhappy childhood.

Whatever it was in her childhood that bothered her (and significantly Tom knew about), that and her subsequent training and search all would seem to be joined together. And that all likely is tied back to island if I understand the premise of Lost.

What you said. Exactly.
As they say, "follow the money" and you'll solve the mystery.

I can't let go of my "Claire is Danielle's infant born on the island and Alex is Danielle's older child" fixation.

I'm tempted to buy into Kate as Alex. However, that would make Danielle and Kate co-conspirators because Kate would have been old enough that they would recognize each other. (Since Claire was a newborn, neither knows who she is.)
What I can't get to is a common motive for Kate and Danielle.
The only way Danielle can be co-opted, imo, is via her child(ren). I don't see that as a plausible motive for Kate and her background supporters. That would seem to divide, not unite, them.

[123 Blink]

From Homer Noodleman: "What I missed the first time was Kate's sadness inside the tent. Inspite of the relentless pursuit, and all of the marshal's earlier taunting of her, this clearly isn't the end she wanted. Most surprisingly, the marshal asks Kate to mercy kill him. That was the first time I did give credence to the notion the marshal may have been Kate's alluded to husband in her brief marriage. That was a tenderly done scene. Very odd."

This kind of reminds me of Shannan's and Boone's relationship. There was something between them once--Shannon got to him. Just like the Marshall implies Kate has gotten to Jack (and perhaps himself as well). And inspite of all of Shannon's put down's and "taunting" to him, Boone's death wasn't what she wanted either.

[clayseason1]

Is that an iching symbol on the top plate on ray's kitchen wall?

http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/1811/platesonrayswall1bm.th.jpg (http://img238.imageshack.us/my.php?image=platesonrayswall1bm.jpg)

I can't decide. Maybe someone has a better cap?

[lostmio]

Is that an iching symbol on the top plate on ray's kitchen wall?

CS, my vote is it's absolutely an allusion to the dharma logo
Hope you don't go blind before you find all these. Have you found anything yet in Martha Toomey's place?

[clayseason1]

Have you found anything yet in Martha Toomey's place
not yet, but I'll look again tonight. :)

[clayseason1]

DreaminLost quote from another thread - I'll check out the I Ching cap you posted. So....... maybe that means that Farmer Man is involved?? But that's hard to wrap my brain around since it was Kate who stopped at his farm to sleep. She choose his haystack. He didn't do anything to draw her there.
Some of us think that Kate is searching for someone or something. (IMO, I think her search has something to do with her father). Maybe she followed a trail to Ray's farm..8o

[Calimojo]

I did a search on the defintion of tabula rasa just to see what it would say... I thought it was pretty cool/ interesting in its connections

Latin for "a blank tablet." This phrase was used by John Locke (1632-1704) as he set forth his empirical theory of knowledge to indicate the state of the human mind at birth. Essentially, he contended that human beings are not born with any prior knowledge or disposition; thus, their minds could only be influenced by sense experience. See Empiricism.
www.apologetics.org/glossary.html

[Hodgepodge]

Calimojo, let me welcome you to Lost-TV. I'm sure you're going to enjoy the community. Make sure to read the Welcome forum, it's easy to get lost. Now to your post.

Yeah, we came up with that information when the episode first aired. If you like to read more about the real John Locke, or the character played by Terry O'Quinn, you can find both here (http://p073.ezboard.com/flosttheunofficalforumfortheabcseriesfrm25).

And again, welcome!

[Bekka]

*BUMP*

(Getting these back in eppy order)

[Shardyk]

Well, I'm going to comment on this episode. It was my fourth or fifth viewing today (I forget which.)

I forgot how much I really liked this episode. It's one of the best of the season. For a convict, Kate has a huge heart. Her backstory here still gets to me. I think she had some kind of romance with Mars and that's why he warns Jack about her. I'm still looking forward to something along those lines in a future episode.

This episode marks the beginning of the Jack / Sawyer conflict. Another note about Sawyer, when does his cigarrete addiction wear off? We haven't seen smoking in a long time, have we?

And, finally we see Locke helping someone for the first time. He helps Michael get Vincent back for Walt. So much story potential lost when Walt hit his growth spurt.

The final scene with the rotation around Locke's head... priceless.

[roswellian]

I dont have much to say about it since I havent seen it since it aired but I thought Shardyk's point of Sawyer's cigerette addiction. I havent noticed either. I think it's safe to assume that the hatch isnt stocked with cigarettes and sawyer ran out and had to adapt.

[NanaJoan]

I agree, Shardyk, this was one of my favorite episodes too. I kind of assumed Sawyer ran out as well. I searched the name of the police dept on Kate's wanted poster (cannot find any other discussion of this and I used the search mode) and it turns up Potter County, PA. She sure got around: Iowa, New Mexico, Penn...

[9mile monster]

----Lost withdrawal--- just watching season 1 ---need my lost fix---
Can't you see I'm addicted?:)

But while I was rewatching Tabula Rasa (with my mind a full slate of knowing about people and theories and hindsite)whe[/URL]n I saw Ray Mullen, I thought he looked incredibly like Christian Shepard.
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Does anyone else think?

Not sure if I can post this here. Please let me know and I'll move