EPISODE 8 ----- CONFIDENCE MAN

[truffula]

The original thread can be found here:

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Airtime in 10 min, so I gotta be quick....not one of my favs.
Here are my notes from my first runthru of Season One for this episode:

LOST Season One - Episode 8 - Confidence Man
Sawyer backstory #1

No Eye shot to open - Kate walking on beach with bananas
Day 9
Sawyer's book with the Rabbit on the cover is "Watership Down"

FB 1 - Sawyer in bed with Harold Perrinaeu's wife

Sawyers meeting is at 3:30, he's late, its 3:28
she sees the loot - part of the con
Sawyer beats up Boone for looting
Claire is still hopeful of rescue
Sawyer lookin at letter again

FB 2 - more conning by sawyer, he has $140,000, $300,000 buys 1 share - found investor in Toronto - another Canadian reference; sawyer needs $160,000, con-on

Kate messes with Sawyer about his letter.
Sayid is shown questioning Locke first about who knocked him out - funny he's right to do so
Locke - anyone who watches tv knows how to improvise a slowfuse, a cigarette (Yeah Locke I know that from watching tv!!) - gives Sayid a knife
Voices heard in background as Shannon has first asthma attack - cannot discern what they're sayin though

FB 3 - more conning, sawyer works at auto dealership with woman he cons, husband has lumber co. Mans name is David.

Jack uses Jedi powers to help Shannon - The FORCE is strong with this one.
Sayid served 5 years in Republican Guard.
Sun can help Shannon
Sayid tortures Sawyer - Sawyer wants to see how far Jack will go - a test

FB 3 - Black man playing pool, its his $160,000, Bernard? doubt it.
Sawyer must get balck mans money by noon the next day plus 50% or hes screwed; so is Saywer on the run from the guy/Bernard once he bails on the con?

"if the tables were turned, i'd watch you die" sawyer to jack after sayid stabbed him

FB 4 - Sawyer bails on con drops all the loot and walks

Sawyer was 8 or 9? when his parents died
when he was 19 he needed $6,000 to pay off some dudes - WHO?
I kinda get the feeling Jin knew about Sun's betrayal and her plans before the island/crash/airport - we'll wait to see on this one
Sayid splits, Track 3 of LOST soundtrack -
The Blind Boys of Alabama "I Shall Not Walk Alone"


Discuss away, and enjoy the rerun tonight!

Peace,
Truffula

[SpidermanHouston]

I bet sawyer got into some deep sh** trouble for leaving all the money at the couple's house. I bet one of the flashbacks next season will revolve around this problem.

[Lost In His Eyes]

I only noticed two things, and they're not even relevant to anything at all.

1- If Sawyer would just keep his mouth shut, he wouldn't get himself in so much trouble. Like he just kept talking and Jack kept punching him. Not too smart.

2- Boone has a nice ass.

That's it. :lol

Edited to say- OH! I lied! I did notice something else. Locke gave Sayid the knife that he stabbed Sawyer with, telling him it was incase it happened again or something like that. (talking about him getting knocked out before he got the signal) But, as we now know, it was Locke who hit him! Why give him a knife when he was the one who did it? I'm thinking about maybe, just maybe, blaming Locke for Sawyer getting stabbed. :p J/k. But still, I don't get it.

[truffula]

Spidey - I agree completely.

A couple more things I noticed now that the rerun is over:

- Shannon had asthma since childhood; "she's always been embarrassed about it, like breathing wasn't cool" (Boone to Jack). I think this will play a part in future FBs about why Shannon is so screwed up. I believe something BAD happened to her at a very young age (just like Saywer in tonights rerun), and the asthma situation only made her life worse.
Possible SPOILER TAG: (not really that big of a deal)







And Maggie hinted at ComicCon that we would be seeing Jack and Shannon FBs early on.






- from FB 2: Sawyer said to Jessica he had potential investor in Toronto. Was this a part of the con, and he just made up Toronto off the top of his head, or is this city relevant?
Wasn't ETHAN from Toronto? (He said Ontario, Canada - is that Toronto? - I think so.)

- why would Locke direct Sayid to Sawyer as the assailant who hit Sayid and destroyed the transciever? I feel this was intentional - "use a cigarette" says Locke to Sayid about making shortfuse - who is the ONLY person seen SMOKING? SAWYER. Locke went to the trouble of thinking out how he would implicate someone else (not because he has something against Sawyer) for his doings.

- Jack grabs at his shoulder after he puches Sawyer for the first time in the caves = GREAT continuity after the relocation of Jack's shoulder by Charlie last week. TPTB seem like they ARE trying to keep up the continuity of the show, so if we see somthing that doesn't fit......go crazy and assume it was Ethan.

- Not that this is relevant, but David (sawyer's mark) owns a Lumber Yard. Just a fact to cross reference future info against.

- Since TPTB want us to look at the survivors connections...
A small theory I have based upon Sawyer's behavior in this episode: PreFlight, all the main characters have had an extreme hardship face them in their lives that they would wish DEATH/bad things before having to suffer the future/consequences of.
Jack=Father, Kate=whatever she's running from, Hurley=money/curse/numbers, Claire=baby, Locke=disability, Sawyer=false killing, Sayid=guilt of something (this one is weird cuz we don't know about Nadia), Sun=leaving Jin, Jin=something about the watch and his Job, Mike=Walt, Walt=Mike, Charlie=drugs, Shannon=family, and poor Boone=family.

- again, maybe not relevant, but it was Sawyer's RIGHT arm that Jack stabbed.

- and a final Question: Why does Jin disapprove so much of Sun helping others?

Discuss On.

Peace,
Truff

[lostmio]

I liked this far better on the 2nd viewing than on the first.
Great acting by Holloway.

Well written character & plot development re Sawyer, Jack, and Sayid.
The first time around I didn't catch Sawyer had left behind the 140k that belonged to a man who promised to hurt him..

Worth mentions:

What we know now that we didn't then is that Locke can and will lie like a son-of-a-gun when it suits his purpose. He went out of his way to implicate Sawyer - why?

More minor note - the con was in Louisiana and the diarist refers to La as where her stuff went down.

Our con artist count stands at three? Sawyer, Kate, Shannon. Charlie tried but failed so doesn't count.

If Kate wasn't a detective/cop in a former life, she missed her calling. Nosy, observant, asks pointed questions, doesn't give up, doesn't miss a clue.

[truffula]

biscuitmom says:
I liked this far better on the 2nd viewing than on the first. Great acting by Holloway.

I couldn't agree more.
"Read It", and "Don't stop now, you're just gettin to the good part", and "Get OUT" (all to Kate) - talk about acting with your eyes!!

Boy, when he gets pissed, he looks REALLY MEAN!!
Like when Ethan tried to get up after Jack's beatdown, and on the raft when things went sour.

Josh is an awesome actor, and a really cool guy from what I've heard. He'll be around for the duration me thinks.

Peace,
Truff

[LoStMyMiNd]

Well I think they should have called this episode "The Kiss"...WOW

Anyway I didn't see anything more than I did the first time I watched it except for the fact that Locke is trying to frame Sawyer. So I agree with everyone else. Why? Afterall, we all know that Locke confessed to Sayid about hitting him later on. So this is an actual frame job from Mr. Phoney Baloney Spiritual guy.

[thoughtform]

IMO,Locke is trying to implicate Sawyer so as to deflect any suspicion away from himself. He doesn't want anyone to know that he knocked Sayid out and broke the tranceiver. He wants to be free to make his covert moves while the suspicion falls on someone else. The only other reason would be because this causes Sayid to face his inner demons. After torturing and stabbing Sawyer, Sayid goes off to deal with his actions and does the soul searching that Locke has pretty much initiated in the other lostaways as well. Pay attention to Locke in the background next week when Sayid returns from his trip. He looks a bit weird.

As for Sawyer and why he doesn't keep his mouth shut, he is punishing himself for becoming the man he hates. Kate has feelings for him after she discovers who wrote the letter and why. She sees him for more than the pig she thought he was. Nice kiss!!

Jin doesn't want Sun mixing with anyone, especially Michael, because he wants them to keep to themselves and not get involved with what the rest of the survivors are doing. Obviously Sun is not one to remain in the background, especially when someone needs help.

[mzsandeestar]

Things I focused on:
Sayid stares at Boone caring for sharing and there is a telling silence. He knows the relationship is not brother/sister.

Sawyers says the book washed up on the beach. A paperback book could not wash up on a beach without being destroyed.

The first time we see Sawyer in the FB all dressed up and in a business suit, he is so incredibly hot , like far and away hotter than any other man on TV.

When Sawyer is telling Kate that he "became the man he was chasing" Kate appears to be grasping it as something she has experienced herself. Has Kate become the person she was chasing?

[mzsandeestar]

correction
first sentenc
Boone caring for Shannon

[the_real_ptb]

Here's an observation. The Sawyer wanting to die reference comes up two more times.

Once at the pool hall, Sawyer gets asked if he wants to die by the guy who lent him the money, then when Jack is trying to get the bleeding to stop in Sawyer's arm after Sayid stabs him, Sawyer tells Jack to just let go because he doesn't have anything to live for.

[allisnotlost]

3 things

1- When I first started watching I thought alot of the main conflict was going to be between Jack (good) and Sawyer (evil) {I mean they both seemed to be wanted Kate so badly at first.}
Then later into season #1 it seemed to me that the main conflict would be between Jack (good) and Locke (evil) {Sorry I just never truely trusted baldy}
Now after seeing the repeat last night I wonder if the main conflict will end up being between Sawyer (good) and Locke (evil) {I mean Locke blatantly set Sawyer up as a suspect to Sayid and Sawyer is truely trying to become something better(redemtion song).

2- I don't think Sayid was seeing something other than brotherly love when Boone was helping Shannon in the cave. I think he was seeing Shannon as someone brave who needed to be protected (perhaps like Nadia).

3-I think Jin wants Sun to stay away from the other lostaways to protect her. Remember he was confronted by Hawaiian shirt man BEFORE all of this happened and is probally more than a little paranoid about their safety at this point in the story. He more then likely sees enemies in the faces of ALL strangers. I don't think that he knows Sun was planning to leave him (although I'm not completely ruling out the possibility as of yet.)


Whaddya think ?:\

[haveablast62]

1. after seeing sayid staring at shannon I kinda tihnk that Sayid had a crush on her.

I liked this episode. Good acting. When shannon had her ashma I had trouble breathing. (but that might just be me.)

[LoStMyMiNd]

Oh one other thing I noticed, when Kate was talking to Sawyer, one of her lines was "it will come back around"

[acovell]

I'm about to say something that will be extremely unpopular, but I have to say it. I can't stand Sawyer (not to be confused with Josh Holloway -- who I think is a good actor). I don't get why so many women find Sawyer so attractive. Getting a woman to kiss you by using extortion? Oh yeah, that's attractive.

Sawyer is selfish, inconsiderate, rude, brutish, self-pitying -- the list is endless. Kate is an idiot if she falls for that "oh poor me; I had a rough childhood" crap. Well, didn't we all. Boorish behavior is boorish behavior. I was so thrilled when I saw Jack deck him I almost jumped for joy. (And don't get me wrong -- Jack isn't my favorite character by any means.)

I think Sawyer has the hots for Kate because she doesn't want him; she wants Jack, and that just ticks Sawyer off. He hates Jack because Jack is everything he isn't. My bet is that she's the first woman in a very long time (if ever) that turned him down. I hate to speak ill of my own gender, but what is it with women and bad boys? After about age 25, that kind of behavior is tedious and childish. My words to Sawyer would be, "buck up and act like a man instead of a peevish little boy".

Rant over -- you may commence with the throwing of rotten produce. . . .

[athywithak]

Glad to see everyone discussing the Locke / Sayid scene - I either actually missed it 1st time OR it didn't register in my brain. Eager to see more comments on that, still trying to process into my own views on Locke.

K

[wickedsweet]

Hi. I've been lurking for awhile but this is my 1st post. I have to say I love these boards.
Anyway--
--I think the reason that Locke set up Sawyer was to sew mistrust between the survivors because the less they trust one another the easier it will be to manipuale them all.

[truffula]

First off - Welcome to Lost-TV wickedsweet!!
This place is truly great!! :D (just wait til the new eps start airing - this place is gonna go NUTS :b !!)

allisnotlost says:
3-I think Jin wants Sun to stay away from the other lostaways to protect her. Remember he was confronted by Hawaiian shirt man BEFORE all of this happened and is probally more than a little paranoid about their safety at this point in the story. He more then likely sees enemies in the faces of ALL strangers.

I never thought of it like that. That's good. For all he knows, any one of his fellow survivors could just as easily be one of Mr. Paik's henchman as Hawaiian shirt guy was. I still think he's gonna end up as one of the tail survivors.

Thats all for now,
Peace,
Truff

[Brian]

biscuitmom
What we know now that we didn't then is that Locke can and will lie like a son-of-a-gun when it suits his purpose.
I'll give you that. I haven't seen it mentioned here, yet, but Locke is going to throw another great deception over the castaways as a whole later in the season when he distracts any possibility of blame away from Walt about burning the raft.

That said, still trying to figure out his motivations for both. It looked to me that Sayid had turned to his left enough to at least catch a glimpse. Was it just me?

Sawyer proves yet again what I've been saying for a while. He's not an a-hole, he just wants everyone to think he is. Trust me on this one! :) Gotta give him some credit though. I hope that kiss was worth the damn near fatal ass-whoopin' he took to get it!

Kinda hard to believe Jack would resort to the methods he did with Sayid with even asking Sawyer if he'd found some Vick's somewhere on the beach. Just goes to show that women are better gatherer's than us guys are. We want to hunt something down (Sawyer) to fix the problem where the women want to gather something to fix the problem. Kudos to Sun for thinking outside the box.

Aren't Charlie and Claire so cute together? Sorry, but the PB scene made me want to wretch, again! :) Overall though, I think they make a good pair, much better than any of the others on the island, IMO.

Isn't it a bit obvious, in retrospect of course, of Sayid's feelings for Shannon? Man, in re-runs it's completely obvious. Shame on me for not picking up on it 'till later in the season.

"So mr. Locke fan, are ya gonna try and defend him in this episode?" Nope. There's no defense for what he did last week and especially not this week. I'll only say this, just like Sayid's feelings for Shannon, we're seeing this knowing the outcome. We know, now, that Locke is deceiving Sayid. At this point, in our time, we already know that Locke has confessed to Sayid.

Just gets weirder and weirder. Funny, I just looked up weird in the dictionary to make sure I spelled it correctly earlier and I found the first entry to be - "1 : FATE, DESTINY; especially : ill fortune" and "2 : SOOTHSAYER". Sound familiar?

[LoStMyMiNd]

Did anyone get the inpression that Sayid was sort of skeptical of what Locke was saying about Sawyer? I got the impression that Sayid was taking Locke's word with a grain of salt

[sir viver]

Quote:
Did anyone get the inpression that Sayid was sort of skeptical of what Locke was saying about Sawyer? I got the impression that Sayid was taking Locke's word with a grain of salt
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No question. He hesitated but in the end relented to Locke's direction. If there was one guy on the Island that I would expect to be skeptical of Locke, it was Sayid. I forgot how easily Locke was able to manipulate him - even though there was that moment of hesitation.

[STACHERSMOM]

I still think he's gonna end up as one of the tail survivors.

I totally agree with that. If he is, that could explain why they're saying Jin's roll in the show is going to increase.

[wickedsweet]

truffula-- thanks for the welcome.

[Hodgepodge]

truffula asks:...- and a final Question: Why does Jin disapprove so much of Sun helping others?
thoughtform says:..Jin doesn't want Sun mixing with anyone, especially Michael, because he wants them to keep to themselves and not get involved with what the rest of the survivors are doing...
allisnotlost says:...3-I think Jin wants Sun to stay away from the other lostaways to protect her. Remember he was confronted by Hawaiian shirt man BEFORE all of this happened and is probally more than a little paranoid about their safety at this point in the story. He more then likely sees enemies in the faces of ALL strangers...l think Jin's problem with the other survivors is cultural. Asian societies, Korean in this particular case, are male dominated. Women are subservient to men. He sees how the other women of the survivors act. He doesn't want Sun getting any ideas.

Plus, can you imagine what he's seen of American culture on Korean television? I personally hate watching nightly news, it's so depressing. All you see is random violence.

I'm reminded of something Michael told Walt after his first encounter with Jin. "People like him, don't like people like us." Now, I wouldn't be surprised to find out Michael and Walt are the first African American's he's ever seen in person. But can you imagine what he's seen on television.

[arws5678]

the actress who plays Jessica is Kristin Richardson. Harold P's wife is the lotto girl in "numbers". Her name is Brittany!

[Hodgepodge]

acovell says:...Sawyer is selfish, inconsiderate, rude, brutish, self-pitying -- the list is endless. Kate is an idiot if she falls for that "oh poor me; I had a rough childhood" crap. Well, didn't we all. Boorish behavior is boorish behavior. I was so thrilled when I saw Jack deck him I almost jumped for joy. (And don't get me wrong -- Jack isn't my favorite character by any means.)...Acovell, why don't you tell us how you really feel? ;) You also forgot hoarding. I now his attitude drove me crazy. I remember starting a thread entitled, 'Are we tired yet?' I was exclaiming his attitude about the other survivors and his possible upbringing. If you'd like to read some of those comments, you can find that thread here (http://p073.ezboard.com/flosttheunofficalforumfortheabcseriesfrm16.showMes sage?topicID=79.topic).


acovell also says:...I hate to speak ill of my own gender, but what is it with women and bad boys? After about age 25, that kind of behavior is tedious and childish. My words to Sawyer would be, "buck up and act like a man instead of a peevish little boy".I asked this same question in another thread. There were answers from, 'women love to tame them.' To, 'who wants a nice guy?' This last one threw me, because I consider myself a nice guy.


Leuthen says:...Kinda hard to believe Jack would resort to the methods he did with Sayid with even asking Sawyer if he'd found some Vick's somewhere on the beach...Especially after just telling Kate. "We're not savages Kate. Not yet." I like to subtitle this episode, 'the day the survivors lost their humanity!' A very good episode.


Leuthen also says:...Aren't Charlie and Claire so cute together? Sorry, but the PB scene made me want to wretch, again!...Am I glad someone else saw this particular scene the way I did. I definitely wanted to hurl! Blow chucks!

[Demeter866]

Could someone pretty please explain what happened in Sawyer's past? He was muttering to Kate about it and I couldn't hear and I didn't have captions on because they can be rather distracting.

I'm so happy they're re-airing the episodes because I missed quite a bit due to school. :x

Hurley is so funny! I love that character! The Jedi comment...now that's comedy. I like Dom's character, too. Charlie asking Hurley if he would just happen to have a bit of peanut butter and Hurley's reaction; that was great. And Claire! She's so cute! Could they have cast a sweeter-looking actress?

I thought the peanut butter scene was corny and bad form. It wasn't cute....I mean Claire really wanted that peanut butter (well maybe not enough) and Charlie pulls out this EMPTY jar and PRETENDS to partake of this PEANUT BUTTER that is NOT there. Claire and I are very different. If you say you have peanut butter, you better darn well have it!

[acovell]

Hodgepodge says:

Acovell, why don't you tell us how you really feel? You also forgot hoarding. I now his attitude drove me crazy. I remember starting a thread entitled, 'Are we tired yet?' I was exclaiming his attitude about the other survivors and his possible upbringing. If you'd like to read some of those comments, you can find that thread here.

It was rather adamant, wasn't I? I think it's because I honestly and truly don't get it. Josh Holloway is a good looking guy, and I'm sure he's a prince among men in real life, but Sawyer? The extorted kiss with Kate made my skin crawl. And, yes, the hoarding! I will most certainly read your comments. I was beginning to think I was the only one who didn't find Sawyer in any way attractive.

To women who think they can "tame" bad boys -- get over it. While it's true people can change, not many do. Why should they? They're consistently rewarded for bad behavior. Not to burst any bubbles here, but once the initial fireworks ends, they'll move on to another woman who thinks she can tame him, and leave you in the dust.

Give me a "nice guy" any day.

[Brian]

Hodge,
Especially after just telling Kate. "We're not savages Kate. Not yet." I like to subtitle this episode, 'the day the survivors lost their humanity!' A very good episode.

That's a great subtitle! It's relevant in so many ways. I guess you could apply that tag to Locke since, in retrospect, this is the episode that began his downward spiral of obsession. (OK, actually it started last episode with knocking out Sayid, but it starts to get heavy here.)

Am I glad someone else saw this particular scene the way I did. I definitely wanted to hurl!
:lol and I was afraid I was going to catch hell for that statement! I mean, I like Charlie and Claire as a couple but come on! I guess it was a way of making their current dilemma easier to deal with.

[LoStMyMiNd]

I think the reason why women like bad boys is not really to tame them because if they were able to tame them, then that would take all the fun out of it. Bad boys are fun, interesting and mysterious. Good guys are boring.

I like Sawyer, I like Josh, I think Sawyer's lines are great and his niknames for everyone are hilarious. I love his facial expressions....mostly the scrunched up mad look....just love that look :)

And that Kiss was very revealing, especially about how Kate really feels about Sawyer. A bad boy you love to hate or hate to love?

[Brian]

Bad boys are fun, interesting and mysterious. Good guys are boring.
Geez, why didn't someone tell me this 20 years ago? :)

And that Kiss was very revealing, especially about how Kate really feels about Sawyer.
Yeah, I was about ready to spray my TV with a water hose if that had gone on any longer! :) Get a room you two!

[lostmio]

To women who think they can "tame" bad boys -- get over it. While it's true people can change, not many do. Why should they? They're consistently rewarded for bad behavior. Not to burst any bubbles here, but once the initial fireworks ends, they'll move on to another woman who thinks she can tame him, and leave you in the dust.

To boys (they're not men) who resent Sawyer for attracting so much female attention -- get over it.

Unless you know something I don't, it's just a tv show!.
and besides, Sawyer's been striking out so far with Kate. Stoopid stoopid kate.

I don't know what kind of girls you've been hanging with but real women can handle this stuff just fine, thank you. It doesn't affect our appreciation of our real life good guys. I've been with my good guy for 27+ years and thought it was a hoot how he drooled over bad girl Zelma Kelly (C. Zeta-Jones) in Chicago.

[Brian]

biscuitmom,
To boys (they're not men) who resent Sawyer for attracting so much female attention -- get over it.
:lol Amen to that one! Inferiority complex anyone? :)
Unless you know something I don't, it's just a tv show!.
Well, we all get wrapped up in things from time to time. Yeah, it's just a TV show but that's part of the fun/mystery that is LOST! Yes, I agree, it's just a TV show but it's the game that intrigues most, not the subtle things, if that makes any sense. :)
I don't know what kind of girls you've been hanging with but real women can handle this stuff just fine, thank you. It doesn't affect our appreciation of our real life good guys. I've been with my good guy for 27+ years and thought it was a hoot how he drooled over bad girl Zelma Kelly (C. Zeta-Jones) in Chicago.
Again, I have to agree with you. This is where the disconnect between TV time and real time comes into play. As you said earlier, "it's just a TV show". Good guys versus "bad guys" is a myth in and of itself really. At least in my experience. Women are far smarter than to fall for a persona, although I've known a couple who did, but the result was always the same.

Just my .02

[Hodgepodge]

biscuitmom says:To boys (they're not men) who resent Sawyer for attracting so much female attention -- get over it...I don't resent the guy, Sawyer or Josh. I wouldn't mind kind'a hanging out with him to catch the ones that drop by the wayside. ;)


biscuitmom also says:...thought it was a hoot how he drooled over bad girl Zelma Kelly (C. Zeta-Jones) in Chicago.Another raven-haired beauty in my opinion! Loved the movie as well.


Leuthen says:Yeah, I was about ready to spray my TV with a water hose if that had gone on any longer! Get a room you two! :rollin

[Freckles88]

After watching so many music videos that have The Kiss in it, I found it unusually awkward to watch it on TV where it was absolutely silent (save for Kate getting a little too excited), with no music or anything else at all.

Yeah, I was about ready to spray my TV with a water hose if that had gone on any longer! Get a room you two!

:rollin
Some of us wished it would have gone on longer...;)

As for Locke, I found he really rushed into telling Sayid it was Sawyer who knocked him out. Instead of going through some names and reasons why... he just jumped the gun and went straight for Sawyer. I would've been suspicious of him, too.

"Locke, where were you around sunset la--?"
"Sawyer did it."

:rolleyes

And I think Sayid just didn't believe him (or was reluctant to) until he got in that fight with Sawyer when he stabbed him. When he found out that Sawyer didn't have the medication, it was almost like the final straw, as if he had been planning it out. If Sawyer didn't have it, he knew that he was the one who attacked him. That's how I saw it, especially from the way Sayid just exploded when Kate told them.

[Mousegirl7]

Now that we know that it was locke I'm kinda suprised Sayid belived him. Sawer was 2 k away. I'm not up on my metric convertions, but that would have to be a rather slow and prefectly timed ciggerette to give Sawer the time to jog out to Sayid and smack him over the head. Also he would have had to turn his gizmo on before he left. There is no way he could have traveled that distence in the few mins of power that thing had. If he wanted to keep it from working, it would have been much easyer to ether not turn it on when he saw the flares or turn it on when Kate left to drain the battery.

[Brian]

Mousegirl

Well, my metric conversion isn't up to date either and you bring up a good point, one that's been metioned here at least once before. I think the problem stems from the fact that Sayid was so blinded by emotion, he didn't stop to question anything Locke was telling him. He started too, then it appeared as if he just glossed over. He's upset about being knocked out and that alone probably wouldn't have driven him to attack Sawyer regardless of how convincing Locke sounded. The "final nail in the coffin", if you will, was the fact that Shannon was sick and could possibly die without her medication; medication that Sayid believed Sawyer had. We all know Sayid's feelings about Shannon, even this early in the show.

Those two things were enough to push him over the edge and act purely out of emotion. It was later, after he calmed down, that he realized he had been irrational and I think that's what drove him to make the decision to leave. He knew he'd screwed up and, in his words, "What I did today, what I almost did, I swore to do never again. If I can't keep that promise, I have no right to be here." It's a self-imposed punishment.

[Susan B Anthony]

Why was Sayid questioning Locke in the first place? Did he go around asking everybody their whereabouts at that time? Or had he zeroed in on Locke for some reason? I have to think he was just asking everybody because if he had been suspicious of Locke, surely he wouldn't have been put off that easily. Also, if he had been questioning everybody, it wouldn't have looked so suspicious to Sayid for Locke to immediately say, "Sawyer is the guy you're looking for."

I think Sayid was hearing what he wanted to hear. Sawyer was already on everybody's s*** list, so he is an easy mark. Remember, Sawyer already called Sayid a terrorist and Al Jezeera (funny line!).

I also thought it was very pointed for Locke to say, "My only alibi is the boar I was skinning for OUR dinner." It was a subtle way of saying, "Look guy, I'm providing food for this whole group, so if you are going to square off with me, that may not be too popular." (Recall Claire referring to Locke as "our only hunter" a few epi's ago.

p.s. How are y'all getting those quotes from other posts to appear between horizontal lines? I'm computer illiterate!

[Hodgepodge]

Susan B Anthony says:Why was Sayid questioning Locke in the first place? Did he go around asking everybody their whereabouts at that time? Or had he zeroed in on Locke for some reason? I have to think he was just asking everybody because if he had been suspicious of Locke, surely he wouldn't have been put off that easily...Reliving that scene again, I think you're right. Sayid was asking all the men their whereabouts for the night in question.


Susan B Anthony also says:I think Sayid was hearing what he wanted to hear. Sawyer was already on everybody's s*** list, so he is an easy mark...No doubt! And as you say, Locke played on this. "Maybe someone who is profiting from our current circumstances? And from what I've seen you and Mr. Sawyer share a certain animosity."


Susan B Anthony asks:p.s. How are y'all getting those quotes from other posts to appear between horizontal lines? I'm computer illiterate!When you click the "reply" button you're taken to the reply page. Make sure you have ezCodes clicked. Then you should have the option to include quotes, links, and even imges. Let me know if this works!

[Brian]

SBA,
p.s. How are y'all getting those quotes from other posts to appear between horizontal lines? I'm computer illiterate!
Hodge gives good advice and I'll try to explain a bit further. When you read a post you want to respond to, you click the "reply" button. It's the little white circle with a circular arrow in it at the bottom of a post. Once that happens, you're shown a fresh blank page to write your comments.

Now, once you've done this, you'll see a few titles to the left of the writing field that are labeled "image", "link", "email", "quote", "center", "code", and "-hr-".

Image allows you to incorporate an image/picture into your post.

Link allows you to post a link to another site/board/area/whatever.

Email allows you to, hell, I have no idea what it does, I've never used it but it seems self-explanatory. :)

Quote allows you to quote text that you want to reply to.

Center allows you to center whatever you type on the screen.

code........your guess is as good as mine. Never used it.

-hr- allows you to add a line across the screen.

It takes a bit of practice and trial and error but they all make sense in time.

You can add links (http://thelostnumbers.blogspot.com/) to your posts for something you want others to see.

You can quote things much like I did to start this message.

You can center things in the middle of page if you so desire.

And you can even add lines,
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between thoughts if you so desire.

That's what the Testing Area (http://p073.ezboard.com/flosttheunofficalforumfortheabcseriesfrm24) is for. It's where you can try various things and see what works, and what doesn't.

Of course, there are ways to code all of this as you type if, say, you're using a Mac like I am and none of those things work when you click on them. :)

To answer your question given what I've just said, let's say you click on the "reply" button and you want to respond to something I just wrote. You'd be presented with a blank screen and to quote something I wrote you'd write something like "[spacequote]What you want to quote[space/quote]. You have to remove the word space from that when you type it in. I put it in there to keep from causing any problems with coding.

It's trial and error really. It's taken me about 6 months to figure it out and I'm still learning! :) Like I said, that's what the Testing Area (http://p073.ezboard.com/flosttheunofficalforumfortheabcseriesfrm24) is for. That's where you can pretty much just play around and figure out how things work when you reply/respond.

Hope this helps a little! :)

[athywithak]

I was just thinking that we can add Sawyer to the list of manipoulators n game players - he manipulated Sayid into torturing him! - which is of course WHY Sayid got so mad when he found out Sawyer didn't have the drugs.

[Stryker]

Why was Sawyer staring at that kid so deeply? why did he call the deal off at that point? Did the kid remind him too much of himself? didn't he want the kid to be involved?

I find it strange how Boone first gets pretty badly beaten up, but later in the episode he walks around as if he's only recovered from a minor knock. Wouldn't he be leaning against a rock in a lot of pain?

I didn't really understand the scene Sayid stood still and stared so long when Boone went back to sit by Shannon. I for one certainly don't see why that isn't a brother caring for a sister relationship.
And what was Boone gonna do anyway if he went with Sayid? I just can't imagine that dweeb taking a couple of swipes at Sawyer.

The ending was so cheesy, one of the cheesiest moments in LOST so far. Was Sayid planning to say goodbye or not? If he actually didn't want anyone to know, why the hell did he walk right on front past Kate? if he did want her to know, why didn't he just go up to her and say it?
And then, "I hope we meet again", okay, there's some monster in the jungle, but jeez, they're on a damn island, I think the chances are more than pretty big that they will "meet again".

I think Kate gets the most screen time then anyone else. Maybe TPTB did this deliberately, but it seems like she's almost in every second sometimes continuous scenes. People like Claire, Hurley, Jin and Sun to name a few get very few screentime/lines compared to some others. In the first 8 eps anyway, I think.

[Hodgepodge]

Why was Sawyer staring at that kid so deeply? why did he call the deal off at that point? Did the kid remind him too much of himself? didn't he want the kid to be involved?I think it was obvious the circumstances were identical to Sawyer's as a kid. Con-man taking advantage of his mother. Stealing the families money. It showed Sawyer had a heart deep down inside.


Stryker also says:I find it strange how Boone first gets pretty badly beaten up, but later in the episode he walks around as if he's only recovered from a minor knock. Wouldn't he be leaning against a rock in a lot of pain?...Boy, do I miss "Boone beatings". He was such an easy mark. As you mentioned, you could beat him to a pulp, but he just came back for more.

[YouFirst]

Question!
When Sawyer goes, "Don't you feel sorry for me". Is he bitterly asking Kate if she feels sorry for him?
Or
Is he telling her not to feel sorry for him?

Not that it means much but I've been curious about it since I saw the episode and wasn't sure how to take it.

[SareBear00]

:heartpump Question!
When Sawyer goes, "Don't you feel sorry for me". Is he bitterly asking Kate if she feels sorry for him?
Or
Is he telling her not to feel sorry for him?

Not that it means much but I've been curious about it since I saw the episode and wasn't sure how to take it.


I think that he is telling Kate not to feel sorry for him. He didn't really state that as a question, and then right after that he told her to "get out." He just didn't want anyones pitty or anyone feeling sorry for him and his situation. He is "too tough" for that.:p Sawyer's so HOT!!!:heartpump hehehe