Danielle said her party got sick in 60 days, its been 45 now

[Edwardsjm]

In the first season, I recall her telling Sayid that her party got sick after the first 60 days, its been 45 now for the current lostaways right? I think very soon, and it may have already happened to some of the tail end survivors, that things are about to get pretty violent.:evil

Any thoughts?

[LostInWilderness]

I don't remember that Edwardsjm. Can you go give us a quote? You can check in Spooky's transcripts (http://www.lost-tv.com/transcripts/).

[boonian androphile]

That's interesting. Little details like that can slip out of memory with all the parts of LOST that we see. I think there is a possibility that one of the tailenders has been doing the mayhem but there's nothing conclusive. Maybe too they got stuck with the bad side of the island or a part that doesnt have sickness protection devices: cave water for one; even the numbers from the hatch. We shall see when the tailenders reacquaint themselves with the lostians. Might be trouble.

[IllinoisGirlRGFan]

As we saw in the past show they are going to be on their way to the Lostaways. My guess is they will tell their story, as we know will happen in a future episode.

[Edwardsjm]

Working on finding the proof (transcrips) now... Be back in a minute

[Edwardsjm]

Rousseau: Our vessel was 3 days out of Tahiti when our instruments malfunctioned. It was night, a storm, the sounds. The ship slammed into rocks, ran aground, the hull breached beyond repair. So, we made camp, dug out this temporary shelter. Temporary. Nearly 2 months we survived here, 2 months before...

Sayid: ...your distress signal? The message I heard, you said, "It killed them all."

Rousseau: We were coming back from the Black Rock. It was them. They were the carriers.

Sayid: Who were the carriers?

Rousseau: The others.

Sayid: What others? What is the Black Rock? Have you seen other people on this island?

Rousseau: No, but I hear them. Out there, in the jungle. They whisper. You think I'm insane.

Sayid: I think you've been alone for too long.


Well she said "nearly 2 months", so I figure about 55-58 days, and the lostaways have been there for about 45 now?

My thoughts/questions: Their instruments malfunctioned because of the "electromagnetic" properties on the island?

The "Others" are "Carriers" of what? I know we all suspect some sort of disease but maybe that's misleading?

So did the tail end survivors start killing off their own people as Rousseau did? And blame it on the Others because they were infected by them?


My signature in 2 years: "Its Season 4 and I'm still LOST!"

[Suil Liath]

So about 15 episodes in, we'll start seeing shit happen-- assuming one episode per day.

[Edwardsjm]

Yeah I'm pretty some violence is about to go down, the 7th episode entitled, "The Other 48 days" will probably be an episode in which the tail end explains what has happened to them so far and for the fuselodge vice versa. So after that episode concludes, 48 days will have passed, leaving only about a week (island time) for some people to show signs of possible infection. Thats when the show, I will believe, will shift into high gear.

Tailies will start to form suspitions about the fronties, fronties the same for the tailies, crazieness ensues...a move to T&S...?

[Sybia]

So did the tail end survivors start killing off their own people as Rousseau did? And blame it on the Others because they were infected by them?

I would guess so........and I also agree that the "disease" is misleading....I highly doubt it's actually a disease or "sickness" at all.

[DreaminLost]

Danielle also said she HAD to kill them because...

What would happen if they were rescued?

That leads me to believe that they were contageous and would have spread this sickness to the world.

She implied that she was doing the world a favor by killing them.
Edit: let me get child out of bathtub and I'll look in the transcrips for exact wording. Back in a sec.

[Magical Trevor]

Unless Danielle just manufactured some story to hide her guilt.

[juanbong]

i second that, Dreamin. the disease or sickness seems to be lethal, and could be from the geothermal magnet in the hatch(s).
and are the visions the first part of the sickness? it also seems very sudden the sickness would take hold, since it has been 45 days. a super quick take over of the body? radiation seems about right if powerful enough-like Sayid said, "I haven't seen concrete poured so much since Chernobyl"

[DreaminLost]

Rousseau: It took them, one after the other. I had no choice. They were already lost.

Sayid: You killed them.

Rousseau: What would have happened if we were rescued? I couldn't let that happen. I won't.

Sayid: I'm not sick.

Rousseau: I know.

Sayid: Then why kill me?

Rousseau: I can't let you go. Don't you understand, to have someone to talk to, to touchŠ

Sayid: You'll find me in the next life if not in this one.
*************************
I left that last line in there because it surprised me. It's what Nadia wrote on the back of her photo that she gave to Sayid.

It's also similar to what Desmond said to Jack.
Dreamin'

[DreaminLost]

the disease or sickness seems to be lethal, and could be from the geothermal magnet in the hatch
But Juan, that wouldn't be contageous. Would it??
Dreamin'

Edit: oh wait, I see... you're seconding what zombiedave wrote that she may have been covering her guilt? Got it.

Edit for a second time: But then WHY would see kill her beloved Robert? And all the rest? She didn't want to be all alone, after all.

[juanbong]

I don't think it was a matter of wanting to be alone, than had to survive herself. times like this, he could have told her to kill him or she did what she thought was best. I know that radiation takes a while to start breaking down the body, and generations later can see more effects quicker, but i don't know what the sickness is so this is still up in the air. Dreamin,
the geothermal magnet may not have radiation eminating from it and there is still a sickness that plagues the island. shoot, it could be from polar bear rabies for all I know.
:rollin :rollin

[clayseason1]

Rousseau also told Sayid to watch them (815 survivors) and watch them closely. My thought was that it is not readily evident that someone is sick. There must be symptoms or Danielle would not have known that Sayid was not sick.

[DreaminLost]

Well, I, for one, think there is a real sickness that is contagous. I don't think it's because of the radiation. She said the others spread it to her crew.

I really think she killed them because she had to, not because she was crazy or simply wanted to be rid of them.

I also (heh, my own little theory here) think she was the only one that didn't contract the sickness because she was pregnant at the time her crewmates got sick. Somehow her pregnancy hormones made her immune. I have acutally heard this can happen (no, I don't have evidence to back it up at this time).

Or else, WHY was she the only one not to get the sickness?? She was the only pregnant one. It's my theory and I'm sticking to it. For now.`:)
Dreamin'

[ScottOrSteve]

Perhaps Danielle was the one who got "sick", not the rest of her party.

[Chameleon]

Rousseau also told Sayid to watch them (815 survivors) and watch them closely. My thought was that it is not readily evident that someone is sick. There must be symptoms or Danielle would not have known that Sayid was not sick.

Again, we're reduced to guessing about everything.
Hardly ever does anyone on the show ask a relevant question or give a reasonable explanation.
There's an entire team of writers working on this show and I think they can find different ways to maintain a level of mystery without resorting to an impoverished script.
A recent example is when the tail survivors insist that the rafters take them to their original campsite. They venture forth into the jungle almost without a word. When asked why they avoid the hinterland, Ana Lucia responds by saying: 'We don't go that way."
No reason, no explanation, nothing.
On Lost, if there's something you need to know, forget it, nobody is going to tell you.
Think about it --- the rafters are going to travel with a group of strangers and have no knowledge or awareness of what dangers might be lurking in that part of the jungle.
Personally, I would demand to know what I was getting myself into. I wouldn't move until they told me everything I needed to know.

Same as above, there's an alleged "sickness" but nobody knows what the symptoms are.

What a joke !!

:rollin

[dreamfall]

Danielle also said she HAD to kill them because...

What would happen if they were rescued?

That leads me to believe that they were contageous and would have spread this sickness to the world.


But, if that we're true, then why didn't Danielle herself get sick?

[passenger]

But, if that we're true, then why didn't Danielle herself get sick?

because she's, too sexy to get sick, too sexy to get sick, even if it's ra-bid. ohhh!

[OhioSteve1]

We do not know whether the disease is real or not.

Even if it is real, the incubation period may NOT be two months. Remember Danielle said that the Others were the carriers. So the incubation period would have BEGUN when the French party met the Others. We do not know whether the French party met the Others on the first day or the 60th day (after their vessel ran aground). Likewise the incubation period for the Lostaways would have BEGUN when they encountered Ethan Rom. "Ethan Rom" is an anagram for "Other Man". So if the disease is real, he was a carrier.

[Badger]

So many inconsistencies: Danielle said she had never seen the "others", only heard their whispers. However, she also said they were "the carriers" referring to the "sickness". It's strange that she claimed to know that yet at the same time saying she never saw (met) them.

Ethan may or may not have been an "Other". Although his name is an anagram for "other man" we don't know if that was intentional or not. It could simply be coincidence. As far as I can remember TPTB have never confirmed whether or not he was one of "the others". On the other hand (no pun intended) they did say the boat people were "the others". Whether or not they meant they were all of "the others" or only some of them, we don't know. I tend to think they meant they were only some of "the others".

I'm starting to enjoy the fact they show and tell us so much yet when you look at it logically we truly know very little. :|

[Chameleon]

"Ethan Rom" is an anagram for "Other Man". So if the disease is real, he was a carrier.

It has never been established that Ethan belonged to the Others. Also, we don't know for sure if Ethan was a "carrier."

You're making assumptions and stating them as fact.

[Chameleon]

So many inconsistencies: Danielle said she had never seen the "others", only heard their whispers. However, she also said they were "the carriers" referring to the "sickness". It's strange that she claimed to know that yet at the same time saying she never saw (met) them.

"They whisper....."
This was Danielle's reply when Sayid asked if she had seen other people on the island. When talking about the Others, Danielle does not refer to them as people, per se.
At one point, Danielle struck Sayid and exclaimed:
"I know what you are!"
Danielle was hostile toward Sayid in the beginning because she believed he might be one of the Others.

Below is an excerpt from Solitary :

Rousseau

We were coming back from the Black Rock. It was them. They were the carriers.

Sayid

Who were the carriers?

Rousseau

The others.

Sayid

What others? What is the Black Rock? Have you seen other people on this island?

Rousseau

No, but I hear them. Out there, in the jungle. They whisper. You think I'm insane.

Sayid

I think you've been alone for too long.

[stop]


It's my belief that the Others and the Whisperers are two separate entities.

[Badger]

Well, TPTB clearly stated the people on the boat who took Walt were "The Others".

Therefore "The Others" are indeed people.

I agree that the whispers may be something else. Although Danielle said she had never seen (implying never met) other people on the island, yet she claimed they were "the carriers".

[Chameleon]

Therefore "The Others" are indeed people.

Yes, but not very civil are they ??

[Badger]

They certainly don't appear to be, no. Not the kind of people you'd invite to a barbecue. ;)

[Mellis12]

So the incubation period would have BEGUN when the French party met the Others. We do not know whether the French party met the Others on the first day or the 60th day

Excellent point.

Danielle said:

We were coming back from the Black Rock. It was them. They were the carriers

But she doesn't finish that thought. What happened when they were returning from the Black Rock?



So let's brainstorm ideas about why Danielle did not contract the sickness.


1. She was pregnant (as suggested earlier)and/or was the only woman on the team and this gave her some sort of immunity
2. She never came in contact with "the others," herself,and so was not directly exposed
3. ?