Jin: Full-Time Hitman? Or just that once? [Archive]

deelsee7

10-28-04, 05:39 AM

I thought about her father, too, but then I remembered she had time to arrange her escape. Would she really stay with him, even for a few days, after that?

And besides, I would think that underlings knocking off their bosses would be seriously frowned up in mob-type organizations. It happens, but not by someone as low on the totem pole as Jinn.

But then, I'm not sure how long it's been. They were in a NICE apartment, and Jinn is the son-in-law, so he may be the heir apparent... The dog was grown, wasn't it?

I'll have to watch for that when I watch my tape tomorrow. I like to wait at least overnight before re-watching, hoping my subconscious will process things I missed consciously on the first viewing.

I LOVE this show!

Badger

10-28-04, 05:42 AM

Assuming for a second he did kill Sun's father who said he asked him to??

In fact as far as we know at this time Sun has no idea what it was he did other than "Whatever your father tells me to do."

psychobunny1

10-28-04, 05:50 AM

Okay well we can assume by the blood, he wasn't just working late ours at the office. I think th implication there is that Jin caused some serve, if not fatal bodily harm.

Also Sun asked what did you do, what did you do for my father, Jin's response "I do whatever your father tells me too"

And the woman helping them get away said her husband and her FATHER would look for, he was dead he could not look for her.

Badger

10-28-04, 05:54 AM

You're right, she did warn Sun that her husnband and father would look for her, my bad. :o

However, maybe he merely slaughtered a pig. ;)

deelsee7

10-28-04, 05:55 AM

Thanks! That's right. Well, one question down, only a gazillion left to solve!:)

meskew66

10-28-04, 12:53 PM

Jin is a hitman or hired henchman......He made a deal with the devil (Sun's mob boss father) to marry her because he feels he needs money to make her happy and their marriage work. She wanted out of the family before they married which is why she wanted to elope.

Jin has turned into her father which is why she was going to flee. She just lost her nerve at the last second.

BJLK

10-28-04, 01:38 PM

I agree, I don't think Jin offed the old man. I just think he's a hired hit-man for daddy-dearest. OH and I just KNEW Sun spoke English!!!!! I just knew it!!!!!! And seeing as how afraid she is of Jin, I can understand why she didn't let him in on it. The girl she was collaborating with on her escape said something about "You've finished the lessons".........that's when it hit me, she's talking about English lessons. It makes sense that Sun would be afraid of a man that is capable of killing another human being. (I wish they had kept him handcuffed so Sun could "get away" from him sometimes.) (I wonder if he lets her go off and pee by herself.LOL)

YankeeDaisy

10-28-04, 01:55 PM

Hi all,

First post to this board, so please forgive me if I'm stating things that have already been discussed...

Has anyone thought that perhaps Jin isn't DONE with his 'mission', and that one of the passengers on the plane may be a target?

Also, what were they doing living in Australia? i thought they were in Korea?

:eek

BJLK

10-28-04, 02:21 PM

Hi YankeeDaisy, welcome to the boards!!!!

Hmmmmmmmm, interesting take!!!!

jjabramizeme

10-28-04, 02:36 PM

That's a good question, Why are they in Australia??

Jin didn't kill Sun's father because when Sun and her friend were preparing for her departure, her friend said, "You know your father will come for you."

killbuckner

10-28-04, 02:47 PM

I think that Jin just married up and has been trying desprately to cling to that because he likes the idea. She was unattainable and every other man wanted her and Jin was willing to sacrifice virtually everything to get her. Now that he has won her, he still wants her to look her best so that other men desire her but he wants that button closed up so that she is unattainable to everyone but him. But her father has put so much obligation on him because that was the deal he made that he gets frustrated with her and takes her for granted because now that he has won his conquest, he is paying the price for that forever.

So now that he has already won her, he needs something else to attain and is trying to move as far with her father's business as he can as his new conquest. He is ruthless when he has a goal and Sun has become frightened over how much his new focus has made him ignore her and changed him. He cared about the watch so much because her fathers business has consumed him to the point where he would literally drown a man for picking that watch up.

NeejaHalycon

10-28-04, 03:49 PM

Has anyone thought that perhaps Jin isn't DONE with his 'mission', and that one of the passengers on the plane may be a target?

Good thinking. Maybe he didn't know who he was supposed to kill, and the information is in his luggage? If he finds it, will he carry out the hit as a matter of honor?

Also, I think maybe Jin and Sun were on their way back to Korea when she was supposed to leave. That would make more sense because trying to disappear in Korea would probably have been harder.

grifff80014

10-28-04, 08:14 PM

Any thoughts that JIN may have been the one that killed Jacks father?

onewordnospaces

10-28-04, 08:34 PM

"Any thoughts that JIN may have been the one that killed Jacks father? "

... as in... Jack's dad had a patient die, a death that Sun's dad wanted to avenge? Jack's dad covered up his error but Jack somehow let the cat out of the bag - that's what his mom was referring to when she said 'after what you did' in a previous episode. Jack's dad fled to Australia, far away from the bad publicity, or possibly lured there, close to Korea for a hitman to find?
Sounds like a good theory. That's one way of connecting 3 more characters (4 if you include Dad the Ghost).

drabauer

10-28-04, 10:28 PM

If Jin is indeed a hitman, maybe his story will connect to that of either Kate or Sawyer.

CosmoZero

10-28-04, 10:53 PM

Interesting theory..very plausable..that Jin killed Jacks Father in Australia...

Remember back a few episodes ago in Jacks flashbacks…he was at the airlines counter arguing with the employee on getting his fathers body on the plane without paperwork…he looked over at Jin and Jin smiled as if he was pleased he accomplished his mission ? Maybe ?

Ginantonicus

10-28-04, 11:49 PM

I doubt Jin killed Jack's father. Did the coroner not say that he died of a massive heart attack related to copious amounts of alcohol in the blood?

Unless of course Jin MADE Jack's father drink like a fish. Still, there was no foul play suspected.

Badger

10-29-04, 12:25 AM

One thing that's being assumed, and I agree it would certainly appear to be the case, it may very well be something totally different and that is Jin may not be connected to a mob of any kind. The fact is we simply don't know what he did for Sun's father nor do we know what Sun's father did. Again, I agree it would seem he is or was involved in some sort of organized crime syndicate but we don't know that for certain.

As far as the blood on his hands it's also being assumed it was that of another person but instead maybe he worked in a slaughter house. :lol : ;)

The point i'm getting at is none of the characters may turn out to be whom they appear to be or they were not involved in what we're being led to believe.

In addition I get the feeling they're all interconnected with one another in some fashion but are unaware of it. In other words, six degrees of separation so to speak but in this case it may be more like two. ;)

Baron X

10-29-04, 04:47 AM

1. No Jin did not kill Sun father, other good reasons posted above, also he said ' I do whatever your father tells me to do' not past tense.
2. If he is a hitman, he is a piss poor hitman. If you get blood all over you and go all the way home to clean it up in what was not a stand alone house, you would not go long before you got caught.
3. Killing Jack's father highly unlikely, if the mob wanted you dead because you screwed something up, they are more inclined to make an example out of you vs. letting everyone believe it was an accidental suicide. You need something to keep your rep up, something other people will actually believe you did. And why would he even know who Jack was?
4. People boarding the same plane will come into some proximity to each other prior to boarding the plane. I would not read anything into Jin being in line behind Jack other than he was in line behind Jack.

Bongo Fury

10-29-04, 08:35 PM

Where is everyone getting the whole mob/hitman stuff? Are we watching the same show?

When Jin came back from asking the father for Suns hand he talked about business school and working in the factory. Then we see Jin consumed with his job in the subsequent flashbacks. This is entirely consistent with aspiring managers in business. Throwing themselves entirely into their work to the detriment of their families. Were he a gangster he wouldn't be working so many hours, just working more evenings/nights. Similar to what we see on the Sopranos. Additionally, Jins appearance and dress is consistent with a businessman. A gangster would be more garrish, and crude.

The scene where Jin returns home bloody is also inconsistant with a gangster. A professional doesn't permit connections between their criminal activities and their home. They take care of business, clean up and then go home. A much more likely explaination for the bloody Jin is him taking care of (covering up) a fatal industrial accident. When he washes his hands, his knuckles are not bruised or bloody. And he has no marks on his face. So it certainly doesn't look like he was in a fight. And if he shot or stabbed someone he would have most likely had blood splattered all over himself. Not just blood on his hands.

While a gangster/hitman is a much more glamerous and sexy assumption, I just don't see it fitting the facts we have been given.

killbuckner

10-29-04, 09:19 PM

I completely agree. I think the producers have let people think that Jin is in the mob but there is just a much simpler explanation. I really just think that Sun's father is a business man, and didn't approve of Sun's choice because of Jin's lack of education. And I really think that Jin is just feeling immense pressure to provide for Sun in the lifestyle she grew up in. But the point is that Sun was ready to give up that lifestyle to be with the man she fell in love with. She hated her father for putting the business (and family reputation) first. But Jin really isn't cut out to deal with the pressure of whatever business he was asked to do. The blood was just an indication that Jin has a violent temper and when he gets frustrated it comes out.

aardvarkia

10-30-04, 12:10 AM

Hi everyone. New to the boards. Just one comment that is bugging me. I got the impression that Sun's father was a mob figure and that Sun was unhappy with Jin working for her father and believed that Jin harmed or killed someone at her father's request. The line that is bothering me is the woman who was helping her escape said to leave the airport at 11:15 to lay low for about a week and they would look for her and presume she was dead. Why would they presume she was dead unless the woman and Sun knew that something was going to happen to the plane and go down? Then everyone would think she was on the plane that went down. Any thoughts?

killbuckner

10-30-04, 12:31 AM

everyone would think that she got kidnapped- then after they didn't hear anything they would presume she was dead. Sun was afraid that her husband would come looking for her, if she knew the plane was going to crash she wouldn't have worried about that. Plus if she knew the plane was going to crash she wouldn't have gotten on just because he gave her a flower.

BJLK

10-31-04, 07:33 PM

no matter what, she was definitely planning on going into hiding, but lost her nerve.

JacksGirlfriend

10-31-04, 07:48 PM

Or changed her mind. You'd be amazed what a woman will do for a man, especially one she once loved. The flower says it all, guys. The problem is a flower is such a transitory thing and so are the emotions that go with them.

JacksGirl

Baron X

10-31-04, 08:37 PM

Yes, but where and when did he get the flower? A flower girl walked by while he was in line? Religious fanatic traded it for a donation? Why did he not give it to Sun as soon as he got it? What was he waiting for?

If you try hard we can ask questions about anything.
Always thinking, see JG.

walkingcarpet23

10-31-04, 08:48 PM

Jin told Sun that he did whatever her father told him to do. Do you think it was always that way? Or did her father become more demanding as the years went on? Also, do you think that Sun's father was an actual mod boss? Or just had people killed when he thought he "had" to?

My thoughts are that Sun's father is involved in organized crime, probably fairly high up, and has a legitimate business as a cover. He hired Jin as a worker and that's how things went, but as time went by A.) He came to trust Jin and B.) Jin became a part of his family. After that I believe he let him in on the family secret, Jin saw the financial opportunity and took it.

JacksGirlfriend

10-31-04, 08:52 PM

Baron: I think I saw a greenhouse attached to the airport. Did anyone else see that? I might have to watch the tape again.

JacksGirl

Baron X

10-31-04, 09:35 PM

Rewatching all tomorrow, my own marathon, I'll see if I spot it.
You were serious, right?

JacksGirlfriend

10-31-04, 10:02 PM

When am I ever serious unless I'm in one of Pinnerman's posts? Actually I've goofed around in there as well, but I apologized for it.

No really - I do have my serious side as well. I am a true fan and feel I should apologize lately for my random and somewhat erratic thought processes. I'll be back to normal soon - I promise. Must be something in the air - or a full moon - or something...

No, I didn't see a greenhouse. Sorry to excite you so. I have no idea where the flower came from. But it wouldn't hurt to look in the background and see if you can spot a nearby flower vendor or a shop in the distance. Thanks for volunteering for this tortuous assignment.

I hope the kids don't interfere with your marathon. Children can be so unpredictable. Much like the island's weather. (See - almost back on track.)

JacksGirl

azteclady

11-01-04, 04:45 PM

I want to say that the flower is a pretty common one, easy to find in pots all over Sydney (I hang my hat in the camp that believes Jin and Sun live in Sydney and were flying *to* LA). Couldn't Jin have pulled the flower from a pot nearby, both times?

And the real question becomes, is this an easy answer or a more convoluted one?

Beto

Baron X

11-01-04, 06:03 PM

Since we don't know when the show takes place, maybe Jin shot J.R.

BJLK

11-01-04, 07:08 PM

LOL Baron!!! :rollin

I just watched that segment of the show and the flower was more like a boutinierre (or however you spell it). It had a lacy thing and was wired, ready to be pinned on a lapel. So I don't think it was something that he could have just picked out of a pot, unless they have special bouquet plants growing in Sydney, complete with wiring and floral tape. :lol

I don't recall seeing a flower shop, although I wasn't watching for it.

16L43

11-01-04, 08:47 PM

I'm not so sure about Jin being a hit man...

According to a friend who works the Asian Crime Task Force in a nearby city, the primary crime in most Asian communities is that of extortion. Criminal gangs demand money from restaurants, laundries and other businesses to make sure that deliveries are made on time, employees aren't injured or there are no sudden fires. Those who don't pay, find themselves unable to receive food stuffs for their restaurants, their machines mysteriously break down time after time or their employees are intimidated by threats to themselves or their families.

Such payments can often be substantial, amounting to as much as half the weekly receipt's...

My thoughts about Jin? I feel he was more than likely a mid-level capo/enforcer type, one who, more often than not, didn't have to get his hands dirty. Mid-level types usually give the orders from the higher ups but they will get "down and dirty" and resort to violence when they want to make an example of someone who's stirring up "trouble" or refuses to pay. In such situations, they want everyone in the community to know who they're dealing with and that they'd better pay up or else. Jin I feel was once a good man who got caught up in circumstances, someone who started to like the power given him, until he [eventually] saw what it was doing to him and to the relationship with his wife. Perhaps the blood on his hands belongs to one of his colleagues--Jin may have been running away from them, just as much as Sun was going to run from him...could explain why they were on the flight to Los Angeles, both hoping to start over...

lcorsani

11-01-04, 09:06 PM

I'm not convinced that Jin is a hitman, for various reasons posted previously, most convincingly that if he were a pro, he would not have come home with blood on his hands. The blood to me implies an unplanned problem, like an encounter that turned ugly. Or maybe Jin walked in on something (during or after the fact), like finding the body of someone who had been shot or maimed (his father-in-law? someone else?)

Does anyone know anything about how business is done in Korea? My completely unfounded understanding is that business practices in Asia in general are based much more on courting personal favor and working in the grey area between the legal black and white. I don't think Sun's father has to be in the mob for him to be practicing questionable business ethics - thoughts?