Is there any skill an extra could bring?

[Baron X]

In mellis012's thread The Other Survivors (http://p073.ezboard.com/flosttheunofficalforumfortheabcseriesfrm2.showMess age?topicID=2347.topic) we started discussing to integrate the other survivors or not to integrate them. At this point if they were to try to introduce a new character to the show from the collection of previously unused other survivors, what type of skills could that person have. Keep in mind that we would be very upset if say they tried to introduce: Nick the former Navy SEAL, expert in survival, hand made traps and stealth tactics or Veronica the midwife and nurse. Except for a teacher for Walt, I can not think of another career or skill set that could be useful in the future that they would not have already needed on the island. That is my challenge to you, come up with an extra that could be useful and that would not be totally conspicuous if inserted later.

[SpidermanHouston]

A lawyer. So when they set up their own judicial system, he or she can represent Sawyer.

[Mattie]

A counselor would be nice, maybe a family therapist. Someone who can listen and talk to people and give great advice. (Locke doesn't count).

'Cause these people sure have emotional problems.

[AceOfDiamonds]

My top five:

1: A mathematician (or even just a math professor). Basically, a mental genius (albiet a physical weakling) who could solve some of the island's number-related mysteries and perhaps do some advanced calculations even Sayid may not be aware of or understand. Think about it: because Hurley hasn't spilled the beans about the significance of the numbers, any mathematician who might happen to be stranded on the island so far would be of little practical use to the team. After all, someone who's only good with calculating numbers (and not so good with the practical technological components of things, which would be Sayid's speciality) would consider himself of little use on a deserted island. But as soon as Hurley reveals the numbers and their importance, such a character would have major incentive to get heavily involved in exploring the island. Think of the brainiac on Numb3rs, imagine him on Lost, and then you get the idea.

2: A government official (think a lower-level office exec for a Washington bureaucracy) who may have happened to have come across relevant information as to the secrets of the island back when he or she was on the job. Perhaps he or she doesn't remember the specifics (probably because it was just a small footnote on an otherwise already-cluttered career), but some event on the island will suddenly spark him or her into a frenzy (like how the revelation with the Numbers had a similar impact on forcing Hurley to leave the beach and become a more pivotal character.)

3: Someone, anyone, with practical experience in the field of animal biology. Think about it: so far, Jack and the gang haven't told the others about their secret concerning the existence of polar bears on the island. As soon as that secret becomes common knowledge, someone who happened to have been a zoologist might step into the forefront to try to determine exactly how such an animal could survive in an island climate. Similarly, an injury or unexpected behavioral problems with Vincent (an interesting and very plausible twist) could bring a zoologist or veternarian of that nature into play.

4: A lawyer or a judge, but not for the same reason that's been listed (concerning Sawyer.) Rather, a lawyer or a judge would be instrumental in terms of the long-term success of a civilization on the island. As soon as the survivors realized they won't be rescued anytime soon, they'll feel the need to create law and order. A lawyer or a judge would be pivotal and necessary to impart rules -- basic regulations, as instrumental as the Ten Commandments -- to sort of establish some sense of order and relieve tensions in a civil manner (hell, I actually *could* see Sawyer being judged by an island jury in later seasons.)

5: A female romantic interest (hell, we just plain need more females in general). I know that might not be considered an occupation, but one effective way to introduce a new character would be simply to introduce her as a developing flame for one of the already-established men.

[Baron X]

A counselor would surely have seen the need to come forward before now.

A lawyer......hmmmm.

[AceOfDiamonds]

And here's a sixth, a cook. I think it'd be really neat if, in future seasons and once everyone got settled down, a 'bar' or a 'tavern' of sorts was built. Hey, think about it: with Sun's garden and plenty of food options available on the island to take advantage of, a hypothetical 'Cheers' for the gang to hang out in and eat together at would be one of the first infrastructural necessities for any society.

[SpidermanHouston]

A massage therapist would be nice. I think some of them could use a massage. A dentist but there is no dental equipment. But he/she might still be useful. A minister to marry our couples.

[JacksGirlfriend]

A hooker. Need I say more?

[SpidermanHouston]

A hooker. Need I say more?

I think Shannon already has the skills for that position.

[JacksGirlfriend]

No, Shannon's looking for the "ring." She's not going to throw away her most valuable asset by making the circuit. She might be in for the long haul here.

The men seem to outnumber the women, at least from what I've seen. This puts the women in a very good position as far as lobbying for the man they want. This also leaves a few of the men out in the cold. A hooker fits into the scenario perfectly. She can barter for what she needs (shelter/food/amenities) and the men get exactly what they need.

[Baron X]

Ace,

good work I can give you a high B, maybe a low A.
A mathematician could definitely stay under the radar until needed. The others could be a little too convenient if they just showed up. A government official with any knowledge of the bizarre nature of anything island related would surely garner cries of "Oh Pleeeeeeeez". The biologist, the significance of how a polar bear could on could not survive in a different environment would serve to prove what? A lawyer or Judge (in my opinion) would have come forward during the Jin incidents: the handcuffing and the beating. A hot chick? Heretofore not being chased by Charlie, Sawyer or chick magnet Hurley?

But still very, very good.

[Baron X]

A hooker....well she would not have had to have been a hooker when the plane crashed to realize that she might be able to cash in on the one commodity she can barter for fresh fish and coconuts. I am not sure if some one who trades one thing for another would necessarily be called a hooker in these circumstances. Sure women might call her one, and worse. The men? The men would say "what can I get for this mango?"

[JacksGirlfriend]

Some women do crash land in the jungle and still retain a small measure of pride and self-value. I would like to think most women would choose to sleep with a man because they saw him as a potential mate/provider and not because they could get a mango from him.

I'll climb the tree and get my own mango before I'll sleep with a man I have no interest in.

[Baron X]

JG,

I did not mean to imply a woman would sleep with a man for a mango. Men would be happy to settle for a ......ahem. Especially if he knew where a mango tree was. I am sure a women inclined to partake in the barter system would know that she could get more. Particularly if as you say the men out number the women, she has the more valuable..."product" she would set the terms of trade.

Look at all the stuff Ginger got and she never actually put out.

[JacksGirlfriend]

Personally I still think a woman would rather indulge in... ahem... because she chose to, not because she "bargained" for it. I don't think it would take any time at all before most of the women on the island would be spoken for. That creates a gigantic problem when there are still perhaps twenty men without willing partners.

A hooker fills the gap and makes everyone happy. It also reduces tension. She would be providing a valuable service.

But just in case I'm wrong about the ratios... women have needs too you know.

What can I get for this mango?

[Baron X]

A hooker fills the gap .....

I thought hookers had gaps and that.... nevermind.

You kind of seem to be taking two different viewpoints on your own suggestion. On the one hand you seem to say a hooker would be a very valuable member of the island society. On the other hand you seem to be looking down on her as an opportunist and that she should not rely on any one but herself for her needs.

If a person has a "product" that is in short supply and is seeking to exchange that "product" for other "product" or services, as I stated before I don't think that makes them a hooker, it makes them a business woman.

[JacksGirlfriend]

I am not looking down on any woman that uses her assets to get what she wants/needs. I probably would use my own. I am trying to point out that the majority of the women in this new society will be looking for a more permanent relationship. Once they find "the man of their dreams", they are going to want to settle down and start a family. Though this does not necessarily preclude any involvement with another man, nor does it mean she cannot barter, she probably won't do it because her future may depend on it.

A hooker continues to fill in the "gap" created as the men and women pair up, leaving an uncertain amount of males without partners.

Would you be happier, Baron, if I said in this situation any woman can become a hooker because she is willing to bargain what she has for her own survival? If it comes to that, I'm sure most women would take that option.

[walkingcarpet23]

What could possibly bring me more entertainment at 3:00 in the morning than Baron and JG debating the mentality and actions of hookers on the GD board?

[JacksGirlfriend]

Hey WC! Thanks for stopping by. Nice to see you out of the basement.

[walkingcarpet23]

Well it was a long journey... tiring for certain, those stairs really are hard to get up. And then trying to move a passed out Morb out from in front of the door, well, you can imagine.

But yes, every now and then I do like to come see what the rest of the Lost-TV world is up to, and much to my surprise I see it isn't much different here than it is down there. What is it with you, JG?

[Baron X]

Would you be happier, Baron, if I said in this situation any woman can become a hooker

Well if you did say that, then it would negate it as answer to this question. Because that would have a woman becoming a hooker after being on the island as a result of being on the island and not her being a hooker prior to coming to the island.
That would be like a survivor becoming a vegetarian after the crash, it was not a lifestyle they brought to the island, it was something they adapted after the crash.

[SpidermanHouston]

Here are some more: A professor to solve all these puzzles, a skipper to help navigate the raft, a movie star for entertainment, a farm girl to help spice up their cooking, a millionaire to advise them about their finances, and a Gilligan for comedic relief.

[star2954]

God....it's blinding up here...

JG, got a mango? I've got some "bartering" to do. :p

[JacksGirlfriend]

As usual Baron is missing my point (he likes to do that on purpose just to rile me up).

There is a huge difference between a woman willing to exchange her sexual favors for protection and comfort within a relationship and a woman that will follow any available man for whatever he can offer at the time (i.e. his mangos and whatever other available fruit there is). Most women in a situation like this would choose option 1.

However a woman whose previously existence was based on the system of "following the man with the fruit" would most certainly prosper, be reasonably well taken care of and become quite popular in this situation. She might not however gain the comfort and emotional support needed.

I, on the other hand, will be happily bunked in my palm and bamboo condo with a man whose fruit I have judged worthy.
A man with your persistence might be a suitable candidate. I'll keep you in mind, Baron.

Star - I have an entire grove of mango trees at my disposal... just in case.

WC - Sex seems to follow me wherever I go. I have not yet figured it out.

[Chance Gardener]

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[JacksGirlfriend]

Very funny, Chance.

[Chance Gardener]

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[Bigbadbill]

In a survival situation you need to have multible use items or characters.

I'm thinking a hooker/ Lawyer.

[walkingcarpet23]

WC - Sex seems to follow me wherever I go. I have not yet figured it out.

When you do, be sure to let me know.. it might be a skill that could come in handy.

Sorry for hijacking your thread, Baron.

[JacksGirlfriend]

Sorry for hijacking your thread, Baron

He knows better than to believe that. It's what we do.

Besides he invited me in to play.

[ziadiva]

I think a Chiropractor and a botanist would be handy.

....and for the record I'd sleep with Sawyer for a mango ;)

[susie1967]

They're going to be needing a Seamstress/Weaver/Textile
person soon. Those clothes they have now aren't going to
last for long, *and* as people lose weight and children are
born and grow, they will need different sized clothing.

And an interior designer would be nice to spice up those drab
dark caves and lackluster beach resort. :-)

[TallHobbit]

A hooker. Need I say more?

I think Shannon already has the skills for that position.

These are the kind of moments that make the Lost-TV message board so special.

I think it'd be interesting if they added an extra whose occupation that isn't particularly useful in their current situation. Like a former janitor. Named Wally.

A geologist might be useful, but it might be too convenient and contrived to be believable. A geologist could probably help determine some of the history of the island and maybe provide some insight to the Black Rock. They might also be useful in mapping the island, but we've already got Sayid working on that, so I don't know if they'd be able to provide anything new in that respect.

[anarane saralonde]

Perhaps someone with a meteorologist background. It may not be important now but could prove significant in future episodes. It's difficult to guess at this point with only one season so far.

I like the geologist idea. It's true Sayid is already working on mapping out the island but I doubt he's got any formal/informal training in that area.

[scottq74]

I think a ventriloquist or a mime might come in handy later on. Either one could distract the island monster (or a resurrected Ethan) while the others run for cover! :b

[ziadiva]

a detective and a medical examiner - heck every other show wants to be CSI why not this one 8)

[NurseHotLips]

Maybe a real estate broker, to help determine what parts of the island are hot property.

And how about a nuclear bomb dismantler for when they find the nuclear weapons stored in the hatch.

Or a zoo keeper/monkey trainer in case they find monkeys in the hatch.

[TallHobbit]

Or a zoo keeper/monkey trainer in case they find monkeys in the hatch.

:lol

Or a priest in case they're really in purgatory.

[ziadiva]

Kate needs a hairdresser :p or at least a way to dry it

[Ocean Gypsy MF]

ziadiva, you beat me to the punch :D

I would say a barber or hairdresser would be a useful skill that we don't already actively see in use. The first season only covers 40 days on the island, so there hasn't been much of a need for haircuts...yet. But this could also be introduced as the background character who has been keeping Jack's close cropped cut trimmed all this time (outside of the activity we see broadcast in the episodes themselves). When someone else starts complaining that they are feeling extra straggly, Jack could say "Oh go see Vincenzo, he'll fix you right up".

[Baron X]

*sigh*

Okay here we go.

Ace, rethought the hot chick. Given there lack of food high fat foods, they could actually sneak in a hot chick. She could have been covered up, being self conscious about a few extra pounds, hair could be in her face most of the time, further concealing her potential. One of the girls could notice her staring at one of the guys and offer some tips and a makeover offer. They could cut her hair away from her face, ditch some of the layers of clothing and TDAH....new hot chick. Could totally work. (actually would be a good way to introduce two new characters if the object of her desire was a new male)


Spider...
Massage therapist while always a welcome addition to any gathering.

The cast of Gilligan's island.....:|


ziadiva, a chiropractor could sneak in easy enough. A nice faux medical professional that would not have had to speak up earlier, but after finally realizing not everybody was comfortable sleeping on sand or cave floor, steps up to provide treatment and a reason to see more skin on the show.
A botanist should have already recognized a need to work with Sun.

susie1967, (good year for mustang's), clothing will surely wear out, but given the number of glasses they were able to come up with for Sawyer to select from I would guess there are at least 10 outfits for every character. ew....just had a thought....did they take the clothing off of the dead people before they burned them?

TallHobbit, hmmmmm a geologist certainly could turn up at an opportune moment without a lot of "where the hell has he been up till now?"s, but I think he would get a few "Oh how friggin' convenient!"

anarane saralonde, a meteorologist...hmmmm okay.

[cowssayoink]

i like the idea of a new girl. she doesn't have to be "hot", just and average girl. and i think she should go after hurley. i think that would be cute. :)

[JacksGirlfriend]

So are you finally admitting defeat about my hooker?

[Baron X]

oh, did you not get enough?
I had not noticed you came back with anything different to say. Let me go reread your...."work".

[JacksGirlfriend]

I added more the minute I woke up this morning. Did you think I was just going to let you win?

[Baron X]

the exact minute you woke up?
Wow.
What kind of geek sleeps with their laptop?

[SpidermanHouston]

How about a witch like "Willow" on Buffy to create spells against the evil forces.

[JacksGirlfriend]

What kind of geek sleeps with their laptop?

It serves as a nightlight because it's so shiny. And just because my number was higher doesn't mean you can hold that over my head the rest of my life.

I may not have added on the exact minute I woke up, but I walked downstairs, I turned on my laptop, I got coffee, I sat down and started to type. See? I'm a functioning human being in the early morning (even with 3 hours sleep thanks to you).

So are you admitting my hooker is a good addition? You're dodging the question and trying to distract me with more shiny things. I'm not falling for your diversions.

[Baron X]

Sex does not follow you, you brought it with you. You said hooker.

I still don't see where a woman bargaining to get needed supplies is a hooker. Where did you get your definition of hooker?

[JacksGirlfriend]

When did I say that? I never said that (and yes, I know, it is a grand sweeping statement).

You were the one that implied a woman who bargains on the island using sex as the chip would be a hooker. It was not me.

[Baron X]

No, I said she was a business women, you insisted she was a hooker.

[azteclady]

Baron, this is truly a great question, and I find interesting that the answers are not obvious.

I mean, most professions/knowledge/skill that an extra could suddenly have that precisely match new needs created by the island mysteries would raise more than a few skeptics' hackles (and with reason, methinks) - much like our reaction to Sayid's offhand 'Thank God for fireworks smugglers!' in The Moth.

However, let me suggest that someone with clerical / administrative experience (secretary, librarian, paralegal, etc) may come in handy to help make sense of things if they ever find Danielle's expedition's records or if Locke opens that hatch and it so happens that he finds written records in it. From personal experience, you don't need to be highly competent on a particular topic to be able to organize material devoted to it into a reasonably coherent body of work.



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[Cassis1]

A counselor? Isn't that what we have Hurley for?:)

Lawyer, teacher: good ideas. Maybe Rose is in one of those professions?

A lifeguard. A GOOD one. For a change. :\

A woodworker and/or a potter. Someone with that kind of hobby could remain in the background for a while until everyone else realizes, "Hey--how did Joe get FURNITURE in his hut?"

A storyteller/historian. When I reread Watership Down I noticed that Lost had parallel for almost all the characters in WD--the leader rabbit, the prophet rabbit, the smart rabbit, the rabble-rousing rabbit, the comic-relief rabbit--except for the role of storyteller.

As for good-looking chicks, it looks as if there are plenty (and several hot boys too, not that we don't have quite a few of them already) among the existing red shirts. The girl who's been identified as the diary writer is pretty, and if we go by the diary she's an accomplisher surfer and diver, which could prove useful if they ever get their butts together to follow the cable into the sea. (Where it is no doubt attached to a nuclear sub. :) )

[TheHammerOfGod]

call me sick if you will, but i'd like to see a serial killer/murderer, mabye that could cause some interesting things.

Other ideas,

a police/fbi/cia ect. person
a priest
a historian
a zooologist (yeah that aint how its spelled, i know)
a health guru (for Hurley)
a stripper
a computer programmer
a archaeologist
a forensic scientist
a businessman
a magician (he can do a disappear from the island bit)

[Baron X]

Aztec thank you, you are too kind.

The HammerOfGod said "ain't"......uh....
anyway.....
Police/law enforcement person type has definitely had many reasons to come forward, especially when they were looking for people to handle a gun.

A priest would have stepped up instead of having Claire lead the memorial service.

A historian in what? Just in general, I suppose he/she could serve the purpose of storyteller or provide information about a questioned time period.

stripper..no music.
forensic scientist typically use tools and equimpent.
I am sure there are businessman among the survivors already.

[MagiclBlingBling]

My favorite ideas so far are carpenter, masseuse, and therapist.
I think that having the next main character have a fairly useless skill would be pretty interesting, as long as it's still a skill.

[TheHammerOfGod]

You are making some false assumptions Baron. There is no reason to assume for sure that these people would of "stepped up" just because their services could of potentially been maximized. For one, you do not know if they even know about everything that went on. Mabye they prefer to stay inconspicuous, perhaps like other's here, they have inner-demons, perhaps they have been shunned, perhaps none has inquired as to what they do, perhaps they have their own agenda. I believe it is rather asinine to assume thast these professions aren't present merely because they have had chances to "step forward." So where was the Diver when Joanna drowned, surely that falls under her forte. Furthermore, my list was merely of professions I would personally relish in viewing, not necessarily what I speculate they do. And why do ye have a problem with "aint"?

[JacksGirlfriend]

If you prefer to think my hooker idea is not good, there is nothing I can say to change your mind.

I surrender.

[MagiclBlingBling]

aw, I like the hooker idea JG!
Maybe if you put your cheerleading uniform back on he'll start warming up to your idea...

[JacksGirlfriend]

I'm wearing my cheerleading outfit. He's just a stubborn man and will not admit someone else has a decent idea.

[Baron X]

ooooo you want to play for real hunh?

Okay THOG, let's dance.

Why would you assume a diver could save a drowning person?
Divers are not trained life guards. Being certified to dive and being a professional diver are of course not the same thing and again neither is the same thing as a life guard.

One of your professions you listed was Priest. One of a priest's jobs is to help people. So exactly how is it asinine of me to assume a priest would not come forward when he is so obviously needed. Everyone knew about the burning of the fuselage. Everyone.

You only listed diver in your argument, which was not a profession either of us mentioned before. Did you have a specific profession you wanted to talk about? Sure people could have their reasons to keep secrets, that's why there secrets. But the question was what we as an audience would accept as reasonable, should an extra step forward with a particular skill. Sure its possible they could come up with another doctor, a professional hunter or a psychologist if they want to, it's their show.

[TheHammerOfGod]

aye, fiesty little feller aren't ye? :)

I don't assume a diver could save a drowning person, that's my point, it is, in me opinion, analogous to ye saying that a Policeman would of stepped up when it came time to hand out the guns, ect. Im not saying there would be a preist,
I just said it would be interesting, that's really what me list was, professions i'd like to see. But, i'll take ye up on that anyway, though it wasn't me original point. Perhaps the priest has lost the fire (alla Mel Gibson in signs), mabye he is keeping his identity secret for a reason, mabye he didn't know about the ceremony till Claire took the reigns and he saw she was doing a fine enough job. But again mate, me list was merely what I'd like to see, not necessarily what I think they'll be, though some of them are feasible I think, especially knowing LOST, I just don't expect them to all have generic jobs like a Librarian or all be immutably benign in character. We shall see me friend.

[MagiclBlingBling]

Oh, I'd like th see a librarian....great, now I got that song in my head again, thanks a lot.....

[huckfynigyn]

How bout a sasquatch roaming the island. It looks like we have a great shot of one in the background here. We need some comic relief and a partner for Hurley to liven up the place.

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[bgrider20]

How many of our main characters are actually contributing on the island in the same way they contributed off the island? I'm pretty sure it is just 2. We have Jack being the good doctor and Michael constructing things. To a lesser extent we have Sayid showing some military skills. And who says that a new character has to have a phD in geology to be able to explain some rock formations. I think its more believable that someone grew up in the mountains of Tennessee and spent time as a kid playing in the caverns and developed a hobby.
We have far more examples of relationships like that so far on the island. Kate has some tracking skills because her father taught her. Locke worked in a box company and he is Captain America on the island. Shannon contributed by translating some French because she lived in France with her boyfriend. I think if we see new characters, their skills will be explained in this type of way. We could even have new skills from our current characters with a new storyline from one of the backstories.

[Bongo Fury]

If you prefer to think my hooker idea is not good, there is nothing I can say to change your mind.Ilike the idea of a Hooker on Lost. It would make for must see TV to tune in each week and watch someone make rugs for everyone.

[JacksGirlfriend]

Sorry, JG. Hooker was the wrong answer. - Baron
(in his opinion - I still say it's a viable choice)

Okay - I'll try playing again.

I'll take Volcanologists for $500.

(Stealing from Neill here) - If they discover some kind of tunnel system made from lava tubes, a volcanologist might come in handy. He might be able to chart out some kind of map based on the geology of the island and his knowledge of how lava flows, hardens, etc. Knowing in advance where the tunnel system might lead or diverge could come in handy for safety reasons. Wouldn't want to find yourself deep in a lava tube with a very tiny exit or run into the sea and have to backtrack.

Frankly it wouldn't hurt to have a writer among them. Someone who can actually tell a decent story when they're bored out of their skulls and has the presence of mind to write a chronicle. Diaries aren't going to cut it when they start discovering secrets. It sure would have been helpful if either of our dead Adam and Eve could have written something down. A writer would be compelled to keep a journal of every little detail. And don't ask me where I'm getting the pen and paper. Boone had mega amounts of pens and I'm sure if necessary the ink could be bleached away from magazines.

There could be a dentist. Granted without the proper equipment, he might be relatively useless, but in an emergency I would rather have an experienced dentist dig into my jaw than any old castaway on an island. So far no one has complained of a toothache.

Also - I never travel anywhere without my distiller. A little drink now and then never hurt anyone. Having someone who knows how to brew/distill or otherwise make liquor would be a very nice person to add to the collection.

None of these people would have felt the need to come forward yet.

[MagiclBlingBling]

"Knowing in advance where the tunnel system might lead or diverge could come in handy for safety reasons."

Aw, where's the adventure in that! The danger's why people watch isn't it?
...well, it shouldn't be, but that's part of the reason...
I really like your writer idea
Reminds me of a book I read in like 2nd grade or so called "the green world" or something where these people go live on a planet and at the end they read this girl's diary and it's the same as the book the reader just read...Soory about that (NO wonder this is the Me age:rolleyes ...)

[TallHobbit]

stripper..no music.

Then you need a musician.

I like the volcanologist idea. Practical, yet obscure.

I'm still holding on to Wally the Janitor, though...

[anarane saralonde]

And who says that a new character has to have a PhD in geology to be able to explain some rock formations.

A basic knowledge in geology could possibly serve as some usefulness, just as a teacher, lawyer, hairdresser or hooker could. No one said a PhD was required.

[JacksGirlfriend]

So we have another vote for the hooker. See? I knew I was right.

[Dread Pirate Yukon]

They need a Jewish Rabi...

[anarane saralonde]

I'm with JG - I'll get my own mangos thankyouverymuch.

[Ocean Gypsy MF]

A computer geek who happened to have been flying back to his/her job in Silicon Valley. Not only could he/she come in handy depending on what is in the hatch, but just having someone who is trained to think problems through using a logical thought process (as computer programmers and analysts do when writing and developing applications) would be an asset when everyone else is hyped up and thinking emotionally. Sort of a Spock-type character as far as his/her thought processes work.

[Chance Gardener]

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[Baron X]

speleologist: One who performs scientific studies of caves.

volcanologist: A person who studies volcanoes and their behaviour.

[susie1967]

Then you need a musician.
Um, like Charlie? Just because he plays the bass in the band
(which he also happens to have on the island -- the strings
still make noise, amp or no amp) doesn't mean he isn't also
able to play a variety of other instruments. You could certainly
make a passable set of drums, a stringed instrument or a
flute-like instrument from things found on the island. (And
before you start making fun of the flute idea, think Jethro Tull.)

[Baron X]

What the hell ever happened to the guitar?
I thought he missed it more than anything?
Was supposed to be a big part of his rehab.

[JacksGirlfriend]

Wouldn't a volcanologist study lava tubes?

[Baron X]

why?
A lava tube is not a volcano.
Lava tubes do not create volcanoes.

Cave:A naturally formed opening beneath the surface of the Earth, generally formed by dissolution of carbonate bedrock. Caves may also form by erosion of coastal bedrock, partial melting of glaciers, or solidification of lava into hollow tubes.

Speleologist: One who performs scientific studies of caves.

[Warthawg1]

I've thought about this a long time, and my answer is they need Yanni, master of the pan flute.

That is of course if I rule out unrealistic skills like the ability to do real magic. In that case, the magic of Yanni, master of the pan flute....will suffice.

[Baron X]

I think you mean Zamfir.

[JacksGirlfriend]

Sorry I'm not up on all my scientific terms and you know darn well I'm not doing research.

Okay - we need one of those cave guys then.

[Baron X]

It is one thing to not be up on your terms, it's another to challenge Chance on something technical.

[Warthawg1]

Yanni..Zamfir...they are all the same person to me, lol

Now for a brief moment of seriousness: I said that jokingly, but I almost meant it. I don't want to see the show progress to the point that everytime a new skill is needed, that a new lostaway appears that has some specialized skill in dealing with that problem. The reality is that they have been on the island long enough now that anyone with any helpful skills should already have made the others aware of it.

[Baron X]

That is my point too, I wanted to see if there was any skill we would forgive as being previously overlooked by the survivors if some one suddenly displayed a "new" talent.

[Warthawg1]

Well if you put it that way, then I suppose I could deal with it but they are going to have to do a good job of presenting it in a manner that makes me understand why the hidden talent wasn't needed or wasn't known until it is revealed.

For example, I wouldn't be that forgiving if all of a sudden someone reveals they are an accomplished diver because that skill would have been something already revealed as they may be useful in hunting for clams and other food.

[sidvix]

Since all of society comes down to the monetary system and soon even the most out of touch redshirts are going to understand that they are stuck there for a while, I believe there is three major professions soon to be needed.

1. An economist who can create some sort of monetary system to promote efficient trade between survivors. If the history of civilization tells us one thing is trade promotes growth and growth is needed for survival.

2. Now that we got a system we need an Engraver to create a form of currency must be difficult to counterfit so you need an engraver to create a mark or marks on shells, rocks, or whatever is the basic monetary unit.

3. Accountant, once you got money someone needs to keep track of it a CPA will do that.

There are three that will be needed in a real society, but first lets get that distiller someone spoke of earlier.

[JacksGirlfriend]

It is one thing to not be up on your terms, it's another to challenge Chance on something technical.

No challenge - just verification. I know when I'm in over my head.

[Baron X]

Really? I've not seen you display that ability to date.

[SpidermanHouston]

Since all of society comes down to the monetary system and soon even the most out of touch redshirts are going to understand that they are stuck there for a while, I believe there is three major professions soon to be needed.

They dont need a monetary system. They are in Utopia. People only do work they enjoy for the common good and total abolition of money.

[Baron X]

1. An economist who can create some sort of monetary system to promote efficient trade between survivors. If the history of civilization tells us one thing is trade promotes growth and growth is needed for survival.

This may be true in society with an exit. Small western towns in the 1800's for instance, would have to abide by your rule.
However with no place to go, I don't think any of the survivors will choose to move on because of a stagnate economy.

[sidvix]

I don't think any of the survivors will choose to move on because of a stagnate economy.

True but if a society doesn't grow, it will not replace its population. Then you cannot specialize the labor. Without that the civilization as a whole expends to much effort of collection of the essentials.

[Baron X]

So your saying in fifty years they will all be dead.

[sidvix]

Chances are alot shorter than that, granted this is a show that if it lasts 10 years at a pace of 40 days a year barley makes 1 year of insland time so it is theoritcal discusion.

But say Jack for instance, needs to spend more time gathering food, firewood, and water for himself, then he'll have little time to recreate with his female pals, therefore less kids. Also he'll defintely won't have time to pass on his medical knowledge in a sufient way to groom a new doctor. Michael won't have time to teach caprentry. All current specialization skills will be lost except for the skills needed for bare essetials.

[JacksGirlfriend]

Really? I've not seen you display that ability to date.

I am full of surprises.

And hey if Chance says it... I'll take it as gospel.

[Baron X]

But you didn't.

[JacksGirlfriend]

Yeah - I guess I need someone to say it twice... I'm that way.

[TallHobbit]

Um, like Charlie? Just because he plays the bass in the band (which he also happens to have on the island -- the strings still make noise, amp or no amp) doesn't mean he isn't also able to play a variety of other instruments. You could certainly make a passable set of drums, a stringed instrument or a flute-like instrument from things found on the island. (And before you start making fun of the flute idea, think Jethro Tull.)

My mistake--I actually forgot about poor Charlie. I was just stating that if music was needed, then we should have a musician. Although, it seems that Charlie's guitar has disappeared into the Land of Convienient Plot Devices since "The Moth", which is a shame, really. A hearty round of "Kum Ba Yah" could totally boost morale.

[Baron X]

Yes, surprisingly they have abandoned the group sitting around the evening fire portion of the show.

[JacksGirlfriend]

That's cause they're too busy giving birth and dying to sit around the fire. I'm sure when things settle back, they'll be back to their lazy ways.

[MagiclBlingBling]

I hope so, cause I could use a good round of campfire songs.

[JacksGirlfriend]

I just thought of another!

A blacksmith (or any other kind of smithy).

Granted very few people actually ARE blacksmiths, but there are those that do as hobby re-enactments and those that work in places like Jamestown, Plimouth Plantation etc.

Yay me!!!

(I know you're proud, Baron, admit it. You can't possibly dispute this one.)

[Baron X]

Some one good with metal would be very helpful.

[JacksGirlfriend]

I know! That ax is going to break sooner or later. And they might actually need those handcuffs fixed. Also with all the metal pieces of the plane laying around, they could actually MAKE something with them.

Here's the scenario: Michael is beating his ax against something and the ax head just cracks. A man steps from the crowd and says "Hi, my name's Jim. I just happen to be a blacksmith. Looks like you need some help."

You like it, don't you?

[Baron X]

Now you have gone too far, you are thinking of a welder.
A welder with a torch. Could not leave well enough alone, could you?

[JacksGirlfriend]

How do you think blacksmith's work anyway? They hold the pieces over the fire, they pound the metal into shape and then they cool it.

And I know what a welder does because we actually have a welder.

[Baron X]

And I know what a welder does because we actually have a welder.

You have a welder?
On staff at your mansion?
Wow...that's pretty well off. I don't think even Bill Gates has a welder on staff.

Blacksmiths generally do not work with blow torches, and then there is the whole ...THEY DON'T HAVE A BLOW TORCH THING.

[Warthawg1]

Not to mention that blacksmiths work usually work with iron, copper,and maybe bronze, but not aircraft aluminum and titanium. It's a nice thought though.

[Baron X]

Dammit Warthawg, I was saving that for the finishing touch. Now its ruined, ruined I say!!

[JacksGirlfriend]

Any port in a storm, gentlemen...

I figured an experienced blacksmith could do just about anything with a little fire and some metal. You guys are being way too technical considering they're stuck on an island. I personally would be more than happy to discover I knew someone existed that knew how to fix things.

Quit being so picky or I won't have Jim fix the axe.

FYI: A welder is also the machine thing that we have in the garage.

[Warthawg1]

I always screw everything up. :\

*walks away kicking a can

[Baron X]

I was willing to let you have the addition, but you had to gloat. If you had just accepted your "good job" with a smile instead of trying to show off......well just imagine how different your day would be.

Besides if the axe breaks it probably won't be the metal part that does.

[MagiclBlingBling]

I think that's a good idea JG, but why hasn't Jim come forward sooner? they could really use spears and such to hunt boar right now.

[JacksGirlfriend]

We already know how to turn trees into pieces so I'm sure if the handle breaks Jin or Michael could manage just fine.

But if someone comes along and hits the wrong rock (like the black rock!! oh my GOD!) with that ax head, it just might shatter. So Jim my hobbiest metal worker is going to come in handy. And Jim has more faith in his abilities than you do.

(I'm still not sharing the ax)

[MagiclBlingBling]

...I'm sorry but I don;t think Jim could repair the ax head, but he could make a new one.

[manmonkey88]

i don't think of skill as meaning a survivial skill...the only characters that had that from their jobs were sayid jack and micheal...i think we should focus on careers that would expand the plot...for example a motivational speaker who is a speech writer would be good...they could be like a swayer in that they are charasmatic and can compromise...and hurley in that they are likeable...flashbacks like helped a corrupt politican gain office and comes back to bite him ect..on island could be a rabble rouser...or an athlete...could be the island ox...steroid flashbacks...or a diplomat...they could make historical/philosophy allusions...character that negoiates locke/jack

[Baron X]

But if someone comes along and hits the wrong rock (like the black rock!! oh my GOD!) with that ax head, it just might shatter.

Hits the wrong rock?
Are you familiar with this particular tool?
If you can find an ax with a feature by feature card attached to at the store, I dare say on the list of things the ax can do and things you can do with the ax, you will not find anything about hitting rocks.

[Warthawg1]

I dare say on the list of things the ax can do and things you can do with the ax, you will not find anything about hitting rocks.

LoL...in fact, I think it says that hitting a rock can cause severe injury or at best, unwanted results.

[JacksGirlfriend]

You can hit a rock accidentally you know. We're not all perfect like you are, Baron.

[Baron X]

But you said 'hit the wrong rock' clearly implying it was perfectly fine to hit some rocks with the ax. From your expressed point of view you can hit all the right rocks you want but just don't hit the wrong kind or you could void the warranty. It's all fun and games until someone looses an arm or a foot.

I never claimed to be perfect, just slightly better than average.

[JacksGirlfriend]

Well, you see... I saw this one armed man and he had a gun in each hand...

[cajdb]

One profession that hasn't been mentioned is sociologist/professor of sociology...

I only mention it because one of the characters in the Stand is a sociologist and he becomes very important when those survivors realize they need a government.

I don't think enough time has passed for the castaways to need a "government" per se, but the problems with Sawyer/Jack and Sayid, Jin and Michael and now Locke/Boone show an escalating need for some sort of "keeper of the peace." (Similar problems are what led the characters in the Stand to decide they needed an organized government. Their population was much larger, though, which is why I think the castaways' problem is a little different. They need something like a sheriff... not a seven member council :) )

But, since I don't think the writers are copying from the Stand as much as they may be inspired by it... it wouldn't have to be a sociologist... just someone who knows the theory of group dynamics, has a good grasp of history and can help articulate/solve the problem.

Not a police officer, because I agree with Baron X that such an individual would have stepped up sooner. (Maybe a lawyer, though, either a really inexperienced one or even a law student or a clearly self-interested one who didn't step up because he/she couldn't see how it would benefit him/her.)

A historian would also work, or a professor/teacher in any number of the fields like history, psychology, communications, sociology, etc. I know everyone is probably groaning... not a professor like on Gilligan's Island. It could be they won't go there or it could be they waited to go there until after the show was well established as clearly not like Gilligan's Island?

TallHobbit103 wrote:
Or a priest in case they're really in purgatory

I know you were joking, and I agree that a priest would have stepped up to help Claire with the memorial service, but this got me thinking. How about a practitioner of a fringe religion? (Only one I can think of right now is voodoo, but I am sure there are a ton of religions that would have interesting potential.)

What do you guys think?

[JacksGirlfriend]

Shhhhh.... Baron must be sleeping or he'd have been by now to make fun of me.

[TallHobbit]

I like cajdb's sociologist idea a lot--it's useful and not too obscure to appear overly contrived.

A priest or religious authority could add an interesting twist.

Father Extra: The power of Christ compels you...SHOW ME THE BLACK ROCK!

Ethan the Undead: NEVER!

In all seriousness, I think that it'd be a cool addition. There are a lot of theology-centric theories out there, so it could give a new perspective to the island. Plus, nuns in particular are very strict disciplinarians (I can vouch for that), which could contribute to the establishment of a system of law. This also could give us the opportunity to see Sawyer getting whacked on the knuckles with a ruler and being addressed as "young man." But on a more serious side, I could see that kind of character working. I'd elaborate more on that thought, but I'm exhausted and consequently feel myself growing more incoherent by the minute.

[JacksGirlfriend]

Bumping up.

[Baron X]

New thoughts anyone?

[ponderingthings]

Well some of my suggestions have already been mentioned...

Now that they have the hatch they have showers, a toilet, washing machines, stove and ovens. It could be the "community center" for their needs.

I'm surprised a "genius cook/chef" hasn't stepped up. With the fruit and occaisional boar, and with Sun's help to identify plants that could be seasonings, surely a Saturday Night feast could become the norm?

Sun's knowledge is also underused as she could probably identify plants that could be used as food - as long as it is refined. Many members of the survivors could help in the refining process. Now that they have a blender, etc., at their disposal this task will be easier.

Again, now that they have the means they can preserve some of their "extra" food for times when it isn't as plentiful. I'm talking about the fish and fruit the island provides. Does anyone know how to do that?

An "engineer" would be useful. Someone to draw up some plans for a conveyor or ramp to bring supplies to and from the caves (like water) and the beach, and now to the hatch. Laundry is heavy!!!

Someone who knows how to make nets (Jin does) for fishing and traps (Danielle does) so that they can trap more animals for food - not people.

A map maker/geography whiz so that they can figure out where they are, what's on the island, and what they need to do to get noticed, or get off the island.

Some of the people could be assistants or apprentists, as in Nurse for Jack, Gardener's helper for Sun, Helpers for Locke when he hunts or someone to butcher the catch?

All along I've been wondering what the other survivors have been up to. Rose has obviously been designated the laundry lady - what are her customers offering in trade? Food?

I saw, in the background, when Jack and Hurley were talking, some guys carrying a huge bunch of bananas, bananas were also put on the raft before it left, so some people are bringing in the fruit - are they the only ones who have something to trade?

Lastly my about suggestions are just to make day to day living a little easier. They need to have a "get off the island" committee to come up with some ideas to be rescued - Michael will no longer want to leave as Walt will still be on the island - someone else has to take over this task.

[JonasGrumby]

Following with the idea of an engineer, I think an astronaut would be an excellent addition to the Island. Someone who doesn't really feel they have alot to contribute to the island other than just building, lugging, etc. But as soon as Sayid mentions computers that are twenty years old, this guy pops up and says "Shoot, I know all about that stuff, they still use 'em on the Atlantis" Give him a big goofy Texas accent, make him a rational thinker and put him at odds with Jack.

Hell, you could make him the leader of all the redshirts.
"Yeah, we discovered another bunker about three weeks ago, while you guys were out chasing ghosts or whatever it is your little bunch does. What, you thought we just sit around here all day, whistlin' dixie?"

[Khan]

Someone who lived on or studied the South Sea island before, who could bring knowledge of how the natives to that area thrived for thousands of years.
They need more natural medicine,Sun knows a little, Jack is caught in the modern doctors way of doing things, but island medicine men were performing brain operations years before Europeans arrived.
Someone to teach them how to use what's availble to build,eat,and make clothes and utensils.

[JacksGirlfriend]

I think they need a man or woman whose hobby is reinactment - someone familiar with the trades and crafts before industrialization and the food/drink/medicinal items that can be gathered in the field. Another skilled hunter wouldn't be bad either. And a farmer.

[cajdb]

Thanks JacksGirlfriend for finding this!

I'm still rooting for a professor/historian/sociologist/
psycologist (an non-Artz like one, preferably) Especially now that the Orientation video has surfaced. In fact, I'm secretly hoping that this is what "Shaft", for lack of a better name, does. Would be very interesting in contrast to his initial portrayal.

It also seems like Ana might be able to fill the role of "law enforcement" in some way, though that could be misdirection. But where else could she learn to fight like that?

Also looking back through this thread, I couldn't believe how many of the possible professions--zooologist, Volcanologists, geologist, government official, meteorologist--fit into the research that was supposedly done on the island.

[jncar]

An old-school computer hacker would be handy right about now--or even just an old school computer programmer.

A nuclear physicist might provide invaluable insights right about now.

And how about a sherlock-holmes-esque private detective who can start putting 2 and 2 together for everyone?

Oh--and a carpenter well versed in traditional building methods might be able to tinker with plane parts and stuff in the hatch to create enough tools to start building serious permanent shelters.

[WayneInNYC]

I was thinking an amatuer astonomer/astronomy buff might be helpful. At least they'd be able to look at what constellations are in the skies and figure out approximately where on earth they are. Just a thought.

[Baron X]

Well now they need another teacher, maybe a Phys Ed coach.

[AnchowerMadness]

...now that they have the means they can preserve some of their "extra" food for times when it isn't as plentiful. I'm talking about the fish and fruit the island provides. Does anyone know how to do that?

Toss it in the freezer? :)

Seriously, I know a couple people already mentioned it, but I think a distillery would be a great idea:

1. Could be easily introduced later when (if) they end up with a food surplus. Currently all the food is probably going towards feeding them, but if Sun's garden really takes off perhaps they may have enough to make some booze.
2. Doctors always need alcohol.
3. Castaways always need alcohol (ala Pirates of the Caribbean).

[OneHurleyNation]

I think they need one of those guys that plays music out of a box while a monkey dances to it.

[Baron X]

Another skilled hunter wouldn't be bad either. And a farmer.

a farmer?

[NokomisIsABadRobot]

From way back:
....and for the record I'd sleep with Sawyer for a mango

I'd sleep with Sawyer if he gave you a mango too8)
(after all, Sayid will be gone at times for days mapping out the island)

I think that knowing what we know now, (the hatch and it's contents) opens up a whole world of possibilities for jobs that were not mentioned before. Things like a computer geek who could make sure that thing runs right and possibly set it up so the numbers enter themselves.
Don't forget the plumbers, electricians and small engine repair people who would be called up to keep the hatch stuff running smoothly.

I find it funny that back in 2000 when all the tv shows were having their ''best blahblahs of the last century'' shows....that for best invention, the printing press won first place. Now take yourself to this island where they have nothing. I thought then that that choice for #1 was way off, and given what these guys need, I still think it was whack. I'd take electricity and some way to process rough vegitation into flours etc etc as my top priority.

[Max Power 79]

masseuse with happy endings

[JacksGirlfriend]

To help Sun. She can't do all the work by herself.

[boonian androphile]

they need someone to clean up the island after certain messes. I mean that heroin is just strewn about everywhere. very untidy.

[cajdb]

So, we've got our "law enforcement" in Ana-Lucia, but in true Lost style... any contribution is limited by her personal issues as well as her actions on the island...

We didn't get a take-charge, lets get some law and order established heroe... we got a complex, conflicted mess. (Don't get me wrong, I love A-L, but I love her because she is a mess ;) )

And, we've got a clinical psycologist (that is what Libby is, right?) but again, there seems to be more to that story.

Hmmm.

Just trying to think about how this could play out down the road...

[LostInWilderness]

Since AnaL is the most likely to need imprisoned, her being a cop doesn't help. Maybe she could become the assassin. Then again, stealth isn't her style. She prefers to walk up and shoot her victims in the face.

They could use somebody to build a fort. And a latrine. And a military commander or two. Things they are a changing...

[Gameth]

A massage therapist would be nice. I think some of them could use a massage. A dentist but there is no dental equipment. But he/she might still be useful. A minister to marry our couples.

And a Chiropractor so when Jack runs out of drugs there is a doctor on the island!:eek:

[Gameth]

Some women do crash land in the jungle and still retain a small measure of pride and self-value. I would like to think most women would choose to sleep with a man because they saw him as a potential mate/provider and not because they could get a mango from him.

I'll climb the tree and get my own mango before I'll sleep with a man I have no interest in.

It is one think to speak of bulls, but quite another to enter the the ring.

[Gameth]

What can I get for this mango?

I think most guys stranded on an island at this point would say, "anything you want, and keep the mango!":)

[ManofAdventure]

I think they brought in extras to use as pathos, you know, to kill them off.