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HokieStone
10-13-05, 02:23 AM
Someone posted this picture on "the fuselage" message board. It's during Hurley's dream sequence.
lost.cubit.net/pics/waltMissing.jpg (http://lost.cubit.net/pics/waltMissing.jpg)
KinmarX
10-13-05, 02:31 AM
if thats not a Photoshop thats crazy... Hurley doesnt know what happend to the boat so theres no way he could dream about that unless something was "controling" what he was dreaming about. Maybe trying to hint to him what happend to walt...
LostInWilderness
10-13-05, 02:34 AM
That is crazy. I hope it's real.
LostInWilderness
10-13-05, 02:37 AM
I didn't see this anywhere so I copied it out of "guys, where are we." If it's fake, somebody worked really fast.
Clementine Kruczynski
10-13-05, 02:37 AM
As a photoshop freak I feel pretty confidant that I can tell you that it is a hoax.
minnesotaadvocate
10-13-05, 02:44 AM
As a photoshop freak I feel pretty confidant that I can tell you that it is a hoax.
I don't think so. Go to the "Jin speaking English" thread and click on the link I posted as a spoiler. It shows the clip.
I think it's a young Walt.
cowssayoink
10-13-05, 02:48 AM
screencaps are coming up on lost-media and there's one of hurley drinking from the carton and you can see it in that too.
CipherBIF
10-13-05, 02:49 AM
I have tivo and can freeze frame a still picture. It is definitely not a photoshop. Too bad you can't really read the writing on the carton though.
soonerfaithful
10-13-05, 02:54 AM
I have tivo and can freeze frame a still picture. It is definitely not a photoshop. Too bad you can't really read the writing on the carton though.
I have tivo also and went back. It is without a doubt Walt.
As someone else asked since Hurley doesn't know Walt is missing why would that be in his dream?
LostMyFace
10-13-05, 02:55 AM
It's not a photoshop job...it's on the show during the dream sequence in the beginning while Hurley is gorging. It's pretty obvious it's Walt.
Anyone who watched the tonight on abc clip of lost on the abc site saw it too...if they were paying attention!
Just remember, there are all sorts of weird dream things that have happened so far:
- Claire dreaming about someone hurting her and the baby
- Locke's "vision" dream of the drug plane and of boone's nanny falling down and up the stairs
-tonight's Hurley dream
Can't think of any others off hand
But the point is, after they have dreams like this...stuff from the dreams happen in real life - IF it is real life.
The Central Scrutinizer
10-13-05, 04:12 AM
Ummmmm.....
Everyone on the island is Missing.
I'm guessing that in Hurley's dreamscape, it just as easily could have been Claire's picture on the milk carton. But it's always children on them, so he incorporated that subconscious thought onto the carton.
I don't think it was meant to suggest anything about the raft expedition, but the situation of the Lostaways as a whole.
But the point is, after they have dreams like this...stuff from the dreams happen
Good observation..
Dharmit
10-13-05, 04:51 AM
Exactly. Right now, the only kid in Hurley's mind is Walt. He would be the logical choice out of all people that Hurley's sleeping brain would place in that position.
SelfProjectRealized
10-13-05, 04:57 AM
On a similar note, if the Korean Hurley spoke was actually correct (and I suspect it was), that would also be impossible for him to know and thus to dream about accurately. Well, not impossible - he could know Korean. But, he doesn't.
LostInWilderness
10-13-05, 04:59 AM
I brought that up in my brainwashed spec-ops thread in T&S. I think Hurley dreaming in Korean supports the brainwashed theory.
LostInWilderness
10-13-05, 05:18 AM
How can Hurley dream about Walt being on a milk carton? Does he subconsciously know Walt has been abducted? Is it coincidence? Luck?
heanbuckle
10-13-05, 11:22 AM
Haven't you had a dream where something silly is a part of it? I think Hurley's dream just inserted random things from his life, and they don't have to make sense. He knows about missing children on milk cartons...he knows a kid named Walt. His mind just threw these 2 things together. I mean Hurley doesn't know Korean, altho he spoke it in the dream. Just another instance of a wacky dream sequence.
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merry slug
10-13-05, 11:27 AM
This is very Twin-Peaks-ish. :D
I hope this is one they leave unanswered - at least logically. I like the idea that they've all become connected well enough for this to happen. Hurley's dream is trying to tell him something - or it may be nothing, we can all interpret it for ourselves...
Warthawg1
10-13-05, 12:16 PM
Haven't you had a dream where something silly is a part of it? I think Hurley's dream just inserted random things from his life, and they don't have to make sense
I agree completely. Dreams are very enigmatic, and people who don't think the writers of this show insert many things to lead us down hypothetical theory tangents to divert us from the obvious are misleading themselves.
Zambini Stardust
10-13-05, 12:21 PM
Did anyone notice that in the opening credits the name of the boy who plays Walt did not appear? Or did I just miss it? I watched that part of the tape 2 or 3 times to try to learn the names of the new performers (Rose's performer is up again, and 2 or 3 of the new survivors including Ana Lucia). But I did not see Malcom David Kelley (Walt).
Has he been written out of the show, with only recurring guest appearances ala Boone?
RedAlert742
10-13-05, 12:21 PM
Ok ok...Listen to this:
When Jack and Hurley were arguing over the distribution of the food in the hatch, Hurley says that there's only enough food to supply one man for three months. Hang on, so who is coming every three months to stock up the hatch?
Also, if the hatch had been restocked recently, within the weeks following the crash, it could make sense that Walt could be considered a missing child and be on a milk carton.
Who was in the Chicken suit? was that his boss?
It should have been Sawyer, just for my own amusement and not any plot reasons.
HokieStone
10-13-05, 01:10 PM
for 12 hours, but you don't mind copying my post over here? Talk about blatant hypocrisy.
merry slug
10-13-05, 01:20 PM
Also, if the hatch had been restocked recently, within the weeks following the crash, it could make sense that Walt could be considered a missing child and be on a milk carton.
Good point, but remember Walt went "missing" because of a plane crash - not an abduction or runaway. Everyone in the 'real' world is probably pretty sure they know what happened to him. :(
Even if it was restocked, I don't think there was any milk down there, nor ice cream or steak dinners, I think those were embellishments in Hurley's dream. I think there are actually only non-perishables in the bunker.
mnchick
10-13-05, 01:42 PM
I have tivo also and went back. It is without a doubt Walt.
As someone else asked since Hurley doesn't know Walt is missing why would that be in his dream?
You know, I never thought about the fact that he doesn't know that Walt is missing. Good observation. Maybe it was just some funky dream thing. Walt is a child, children who are missing are ones most often seen on milk cartons, Walt is obviously missing because of the plane crash so, maybe it is just a "thing." He dreamed it because back in the real world, someone's face on a milk carton (particularly a child's) is pretty common? Not sure...it is a strange thing that he dreamed that for sure.
BTW soonerfaithful, can I ask where you got your Marty Casey sig? I love it! He and Jordis were my favorites on RS: INXS. :)
kilian30
10-13-05, 01:49 PM
Haven't you had a dream where something silly is a part of it? I think Hurley's dream just inserted random things from his life, and they don't have to make sense. He knows about missing children on milk cartons...he knows a kid named Walt. His mind just threw these 2 things together.
I would agree with you, except for the fact that every dream that we've seen on this show has been prophetic. Remember, Walt appeared to Shannon, maybe he's trying to get through to Hurley.
Also, if the hatch had been restocked recently, within the weeks following the crash, it could make sense that Walt could be considered a missing child and be on a milk carton.
They generally don't put plane crash victems on milk cartons. Besides, who would have reported him missing? Brian knows he was on that plane.
When Jack and Hurley were arguing over the distribution of the food in the hatch, Hurley says that there's only enough food to supply one man for three months. Hang on, so who is coming every three months to stock up the hatch?
This is a very very good point, I noticed this to. What do we know about this? How many days did they say people were supposed to me down there for? How long had Kelvin been there before Desmond showed up? How long was Desmond there? How long ago did Kelvin die?
It's possible that when a replacement shows up he/they bring enough food for their stay, maybe a little extra. Kelvin was appearently there for a while alone as was Desmond. This would allow the food to last longer. However it sounds like the replacements didn't arrive at their scheduled time. This would put a drain on the food supply. Maybe these two factors worked together to result in 3 months of food supply for one person left when the lostaways found it.
Who was in the Chicken suit? was that his boss?
Another good question. Who was that guy?
star4OBU
10-13-05, 01:51 PM
i noticed this immediately and rewound several times. it's made me do a lot of thinking. i keep getting drawn back to the idea that in real life, the things - items - content of our dreams are things we experience in real life, they are just mixed in in other ways. our mind doesn't really "imagine" in dreams, it just mixes up our life experiences to create different realities. also, dreams often point out to us things that are hidden in our subconscious, but that our waking memory doesn't "remember" or recall. so hurley's sleeping mind must have recalled this milk carton image because his subconscious understands that it is important.
if that's true, then it means that Hurley must have 1) seen walt on a milk carton before the plane crash or 2) seen walt on a milk carton in the food stocked in the hatch. . . which would mean it had been stocked since their crash. interesting observation, but that complicates things because why would his step dad think he was missing if he was trying to get rid of the kid? would he have even known what flight michael and walt were on? maybe that's not as big a glitch as it seems, because i guess they would publish the names and faces of a missing plane - but it makes me wonder abuot the apparent reality we've been presented by their flashback world and whether that's really all it seems to be.
kilian30
10-13-05, 02:00 PM
deep man. f'in deep.
hi all,
still new here.
everyone is talking about hurley dreaming about walt on the milk carton. also in hurleys dreams was jin. he saw jin all beat up, like he is now. not like he was the last time hurley saw him, when they left on the raft. (i dont think he had the bruise on his left cheek before??)
someone must be directing his dreams.
dbrasco444
10-13-05, 02:44 PM
or it could have not been a dream at all, but some kind mind projection, from either walt himself or something on the island, they were doing research on parapyschology! People think too much into some of this stuff and forget that this is a fictional story!
kaudrey
10-13-05, 02:49 PM
All this speculation about the dream, I think, is overanalyzing. Dreams reflect things that are in our mind and subconscious. I think Hurley saw Jin because there was food involved and last season Jin tried to feed him fish. Walt was on the milk carton because he is the only kid (besides Aaron), that Hurley has seen in 40+ days.
Walt did NOT show up in a dream of Shannon's, that was a vision. There is a difference. Shannon was not sleeping, she was looking for Vincent. Claire did have a dream that came true, but it didn't have anything to do with Walt, so there really isn't a Walt/dream tie in here anywhere.
There isn't actually any milk, or steak, or ice cream in the hatch, as Hurley dreamed. If you notice when they did the inventory, there was no refrigerator. Everything we saw then and later at the beach were in cans/jars - non-perisables - chips, peanut butter, cookies/chocolate, shampoo etc. There is no actual milk carton.
The chicken guy was his boss. And yes, this boss is also Locke's boss. Hurley wins lottery, buys chicken place, demotes boss to chicken-guy or something. Chicken place gets hit by the meteorite, Hurley's financial guys want to help out the employees who lost their jobs, and send them to work at another of Hurley's companies - the box company where Locke works. (It has to be the financial guys, unless it was a random coincidence, because we know from a previous FB that Hurley didn't know he owned a box company until it burned down).
dbrasco444
10-13-05, 02:53 PM
Dream or vision is all in the mind, and There is some crazy mind altering shit goin on at this island
RedAlert742
10-13-05, 03:05 PM
You are assuming that the outside world knows the plane crashed. If the flight was all a set up to get them to the island then there may not be any record of this flight to the outside world, therefore making it seem like Walt just went missing.
Walt's picture on the milk carton is just and Easter Egg thrown in for fun. Don't worry about why, just enjoy the little quirk. I am concerned as to the amount of food that Hurley said was in there " 3 months for 1 person". Is that what he really said, because if this is true, then it must mean the food supplies are being replenished, and this is a big issue to consider.
Noubourne
10-13-05, 03:44 PM
Yeah I think it's an easter egg, too.
I remember when he opened that box and pulled out the steak and potatoes dinner, lol.
At that point I was like: ok, this can't be real. Great way to ease us into how wacked out his dream was. I thought it was a great scene.
They know we are looking this closely at everything - I think it's another wink at the rabid fans who are watching these episodes frame by frame.
Good, im glad its not just me. When I watched it this morning and saw that milk cartoon, my first thought was that it IS Walt on there.
I looked at it again and Im sure it is.
Now being a dream sequence, it could mean a lot of different things, like his dreams being controlled, perhaps just his own fears being brought out, or even nothing at all.
SarahWW
10-13-05, 03:47 PM
I tend to think its "just an easter egg" as well. An inside joke.
However, there is sort of a collective unconscious running rampant through the lostaway's dreams, and so Hurley may be picking up on a general theme, through worries personal to him, that include signs and portents of things to come. The Walt-egg may simply fit into the dream theme of "things are going to change."
Everything is going to change. Reversals.
Lost Walt will be found? Found Walt will be different?
There's a new group of guys on the island, one's that were really really mean to Sawyer, Jin, and Michael. Now there's been a shift. By the end of the Bernard scene it was pretty clear there had been at least a partial reversal of that trend.
Now how will this new group change the old group? Will they meet up? Some have speculated that the rafties will head for home, since the beach group certainly isn't going to come looking for THEM. Will the tail-end group risk coming along? Or even force the issue, saying "take me to your leader?"
Obviously, the tail-enders have had a somewhat different island vacation experience than the other group.
Knowlege of what has happened with them may change the outlook of the main group .....
LostSushi
10-13-05, 03:54 PM
********* IT MEANS NOTHING *********
It is a dream sequence
So at the very most it means walt injected himself into his dream vision; that's it.
I think the guy in the chicken suit was not Hurley/Locke's boss it was the convenience store clerk who sold the winning ticket to Hurley.
LoStMyMiNd
10-13-05, 04:03 PM
No its a joke for the fan's benefit, nothing more and nothing less. The PTB know that the people on the message boards look at everything really close and they probably said, "hey lets put this on the milk carton and see if anyone notices. hahaha"
I know that I didn't notice it when I watched the episode, it went by to quickly for me to catch it. So without these forums I wouldn't know anything different.
ryesvikrd
10-13-05, 04:09 PM
Walt was involved in Hurley dreaming it.
Walt is always involved in anything backwards, like when he spoke backwards or when desmonds hatch sequence was mirrored OR when the logo on the cornflakes was mirrored.!!!
LostKitten83
10-13-05, 04:17 PM
Though it very well could be just something they threw in there for fun, the fact that walt's character has been so enigmatic lately makes me want to read into it. Here's what I'm thinking: Walt shows up to people in dreams/visions that are designated by the existence of backwards things (his voice in shannon's vision, the dharma symbol in hurley's dream). Since we've found a 2nd hatch, the possibility that all the hatches are on the island is far more likely. Gathering from what some other ppl said, i think walt might be in the parapsychology hatch (maybe that's where the others hang out and project whispers?) trying to communicate with others. Being a child, he seems more sensitive to parapsychological occurances (wonder if Aaron will be too), which could explain why he knew so much abt the islandif the others are in the para-psych hatch. If the others didn't want the islanders to discover the hatches, they simply communicated this with Walt, who got a "feeling" about it and then told Locke, "don't open that thing". It's kind of out there, but i think there's going to be a pimped out hatch where the high up experiment folk reside and "control" (to some extent) the island. You might think walt would have been more obvious if communicating to hurley since hurley prob didn't even see the pic, but who knows. Maybe hurley's only marginally responsive or maybe walt's being monitored. It's something to think about....
kilian30
10-13-05, 06:13 PM
How can anyone watch this show and read these forums and definitely say that ANYTHING, especially a dream sequence, means nothing? Haven't we been specifically told by the writers to keep our eyes open? I'm not saying walt's picture definitely means something, but c'mon, to just categorically dismiss it is just dumb.
angshul
10-13-05, 06:49 PM
I also thought it was the convenience store clerk in the chicken suit, who was significant, of course, in Hurley's mind because he's the one who "outed" Hurley as a lottery winner, and changed everything. I'd also have to put in my two cents on that, while I'm not sure what it means, the dream means something, because this is not a show that spends minutes of air time on something that's not leading to something else. That's just my opinion, though . . . :D
sliczny
10-13-05, 07:02 PM
Someone pointed out in another post, I don't know which one, that there is a difference between a dream and a vision.
In my opinion a dream would be a manifestation of the knowledge and experiences of the dreamer. A vision would be like the dreamer watching a movie where the dreamer actually encounters new information. Walt being on the milk carton might indicate two things:
1.Hurley is dreaming and his mind associated drinking milk->milk carton->missing kids are on milk cartons->Walt is a missing kid->ergo Walt on milk carton.
2.Hurley is having a vision of things that have happened that he had no way of knowing. Something or someone is the source of the vision. There is most likely a purpose to the vision; ie it is not random or meaningless. Not all parts of the vision may have significant meaning however parts may have more significant meaning than may first meet the eye. In the Bible there are numerous instances of visions and of the person receiving the vision needing help interpreting the vision.
In my opinion I think that this may have been a vision. I think Jin's "everything's going to change" had much more meaning than it seems.
I think the question that must be asked if it was a vision, is whether Hurley comprehends the meaning and what will he do with the knowledge?
LoStMyMiNd
10-13-05, 10:30 PM
My point is,TPTB said everything can be explained in a logical way. Walt manifesting himself into someone else's dream is not logical, in fact it is just plain dumb and irrational
ellymelly
10-14-05, 01:32 AM
I caught that too redalert. Food for 1 for 30 days...hmmm.
Also dont forget that Hurley had the original comic book with the polarbears and Walt wound up with it..
KOOLmike
10-14-05, 01:48 AM
It was food for 1 person for 3 months, not 30 days. Why does everybody think it's 30 days?
The whole thing is an experiment gone mad and everyone on the island is part of it now. The only way they can study these people and not get exposure is to suck planes onto the island with a giant magnet and jam any signals going in and out within a certain range. They have to push the button every time someone needs to get off the island to go for supplies, etc. That disables the magnet. I want to know how those men in black can warp around though, that happened in the first season. What became of that?
CuyUoFK
10-14-05, 07:25 AM
then you know even frozen that stuff wouldn't last
WTF?!? Frozen stuff lasts for years!. As long as it is sealed correctly it will last.
If the milk carton has a meaning, alot of man in chicken suits would walk around on the island.
LostViking
10-14-05, 09:16 AM
Everything on Lost means something. Either Hurley had seen Walt on a milk carton before the crash or something trying to communicate to Hurley that Walt is missing. Unless Mike's back story is innaccuate, he did not kidnap Walt prior to the flight, so I don't think Walt was a "missing" child who's face would be on a milk box. That's why I am leaning to the theory that something is trying to communicate with the Losties.
DreaminLost
10-14-05, 12:25 PM
I agree ^ Everything on Lost means something.
Hurley was eating an Apollo bar in the dream, but he hadn't even discovered them yet.
Therefore, he saw something in his dream that would later come true.
Jin was beat up in his dream, yet Hurley had no way of knowing that yet either.
Therefore, I think Walt's picture IS on the milk carton for a reason. Not because he was in a plane crash, that doesn't make sense.
But possibly because Michael gave up all custodial rights and yet took him away when Susan died. Maybe whoever put him on the 'missing' milk carton didn't know where Michael took him--didn't know that he was on the Lost flight.
~Dreamin'
kilian30
10-14-05, 12:46 PM
Hurley was eating an Apollo bar in the dream, but he hadn't even discovered them yet.
That's a good point, hadn't thought of that. Dreams are a great way for writers to sneak in little clues about things. I wouldn't dismiss ANYTHING you see in any dream on this show. Another show maybe, but no this one.
MisterHugo
10-14-05, 02:12 PM
the shoe company burned down not the box company
Neese25
10-14-05, 02:26 PM
On a similar note, if the Korean Hurley spoke was actually correct (and I suspect it was), that would also be impossible for him to know and thus to dream about accurately. Well, not impossible - he could know Korean. But, he doesn't.
I wonder is there is any relation to hurley knowing korean in the dream, and being on Korean TV...
I cannot imagine why Hurley was on the TV in Korea...$156 Million is definitely not a big enough amount to be a "world news story"..I think he was on there for some other reason that being a lottery winner...I just have NO speculation as to what that could be!
LoStMyMiNd
10-14-05, 04:29 PM
TPTB said that not EVERYTHING is a clue.
Maybe Appolo bars are sold in other parts of the world. Maybe Appolo bars are one of Hurley's favorite candy bars but then....
Maybeeee we never got to see what Hurley actually saw in the storage room so maybe he did see the candy bars.
Alot of things will just have to be assumed because thats the way it is in most films.
My point being, that most of you are reading too much into this dream sequence and it is meant mostly to be a joke
February13
10-14-05, 04:47 PM
I thought the shot of Hurley on the Korean TV looked like he was being arrested like on COPS or something. Maybe not but why would a kid that girl's age be watching the news?
LostViking
10-14-05, 05:06 PM
quote:
__________________________________________________ ___________
1.Hurley is dreaming and his mind associated drinking milk->milk carton->missing kids are on milk cartons->Walt is a missing kid->ergo Walt on milk carton.
__________________________________________________ ___________
How would Hurley know Walt is missing? Wouldn't Hurley think Walt is with mike on the raft?
Neese25
10-14-05, 05:59 PM
I thought the shot of Hurley on the Korean TV looked like he was being arrested like on COPS or something. Maybe not but why would a kid that girl's age be watching the news?
I agree, but who knows..could be a news clip in between programs, that is probably not relevant.
It looked to me like Hurley was getting into a limo? I just dont think he was on Korean TV for ONLY winning the lotto...There is a Hurley-Korea connection, I believe...
Noubourne
10-14-05, 06:11 PM
Just because they tell us to look out for clues does not mean everything that is out of place is a clue. There ARE lots of red herrings, everybody knows it.
As for Hurley's dream, there IS a prophetic part of it, and that is Jin telling him that "Everything is going to change".
We learn through Hurley's flashbacks to before he told everyone about the lottery that HE FEARS CHANGE. He also avoids responsiblity in his flashback scenes, he loses his job, he doesn't want to face the fact that life will change after he tells people he won the lottery. Locke forces him to take on the job, and tells him that he can't quit this job.
Hurley tries to avoid handing out the food by blowing it up; but Rose finds him and stops him. Hurley is then finally forced to face up to his task and figure out a way to deal with it. Hurley has changed by finally facing his fears, and once he does that, notice that he is very successful in making EVERYONE HAPPY, which is all he ever wanted (evidenced by his constant joke-telling).
Change is inevitable, and if you face up to it and take it head on, it can be good. That is Hurley's lesson.
I wouldn't be surprised if he were to give away nearly all his money if he ever gets back home. That is, assuming Walt doesn't come back and win the rest of it away from him in Backgammon.
maybe the makers of lost were just playing a game. hurley did not examine the picture of the missing boy in his dream sequence. we only see him drink the carton of milk. i go with oswald and sarahww on this one, all of desmond's food were either dried or preserved, even the orange drink on desmond's table wasn't actually orange juice. that probably indicates there were no refrigerators in station 3.
unless we see a more detailed version of hurley's dream at a later episode, where he actually examined the image of little walt i don't think this will play a part in the story line, but as we can clearly see it was deliberately put there. in the end this will put a great big smile on walt's faces.
thanks, hokiestone, for bringing this up. i thought it was too good to be true, but there he was.
JediArturo
10-14-05, 10:13 PM
I cannot imagine why Hurley was on the TV in Korea...$156 Million is definitely not a big enough amount to be a "world news story"..I think he was on there for some other reason that being a lottery winner...I just have NO speculation as to what that could be!
$156 million may help further fund a current project.
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