Jin speaking English

[Lovesx3Requiem]

Did anyone else see him say something in English with no accent on next week's preview?

[MJBinNC]

Yes.
But....you probably need to move this over to the spoiler forum. Some people don't even watch the "coming next week" part because they don't like spoilers.

[Bamboo15]

Yes, I heard it. Curiouser and curiouser....

[pandahugger]

I did! I even did a little squeal and jumped around the room.

[Killerlampshade]

He said " Everything is going to change."

[DiamondDuste]

I saw that too...

It seems Jin might be a bit more crafty than we thought.

[lostinoklahoma]

Ah Yeah!!! How could anyone have missed it!!! It's insane, it's crazy, it's great!! I am convinced Jin is a bad guy now and I hate it!

[Daniel Almighty]

Yeah, that was crazy. I also saw Hurleys fat ass eating some of that food from the hatch.

[snowtires]

guaranteed the last thing we'll see in next week's episode is jin speaking english and the 'LOST' end title

[Droop]

I really hope Jin speaks English. However it IS possible that this is a dream that Sun is having. Seems like something as big as that statement made by Jin would be best suited not to be known until it happens. It's probably just a dream sequence.

[minnesotaadvocate]

It could just be the ACTOR (as opposed to the character) appearing on a commercial for the show, telling us all to "watch next week."

And the ACTOR speaks English (even if the character doesn't).

At least, that's how I took it.

[Aaron's Mum]

I figured he did. I was waiting for it to come out!!! woo hoo!!

[tony43221]

It's got to be a scene from next week, that's why they say "previews of next week". I have never seen them have an actor say something about a show in the previews, they have always been actual footage from the show. Now then how could he speak english after not knowing it for so long. Either he has known english all this time and has kept it a secret or the show is deviating from what it has always done, showing Jin's korean as english. He is speaking korean but we see it as english to make it easier for us. I vote for the former, I think he can speak english and has been hiding it. Either way the promo was effective, it blew me away.

[zabzababz]

Jin hasen't known how to speak english. They made references to it many times... when he was tied up. "how are you going to explain" he said to sun. Indicating he would explain if he could. And in "... in translation" They show a jin point of view shot where everyone is speaking jibbersish.

[Rick Schu]

It seems that Michael has learned some Korean. Maybe Jin picked up more English than he lets on.

[dbrasco444]

Jin is involved.

1. Jin never spoke english until he was taught some words, so if he knew english the whole time (with out an accent) the only reason not to use it would be to deceive.

2. For those who think its a dream sequence, that is highly unlikely. You would not have a dream about someone speaking perfect english whom you never heard speak it before!

I dont know how but Jin is involved!

[mystjade]

And the ACTOR speaks English (even if the character doesn't).

Yes the actor doesn't even speack good korean

[Ram Abbalah]

I hope that it's not a dream sequence as was implied in an earlier post. That woudl be a cop out in my opinion. And why would Sun dream in English if her native language is Korean. I've never dreamt in the limited spanish that I speak.

[MorinkhanMT]

Damn, I wish we'd had the same promo up here in Canada, we didn't see Jin at all.

Anyway, I don't read much into it. We've seen several "foreign" characters speak perfect English before in their own flashbacks. They start off several foreign flashbacks with subtitled dialogue, then make the switch.

For example... you think that all the Sayid/Nadia interrogation scenes that occur in Iraq, in an Iraqi prison, were really in English?

[dbrasco444]

but sayid does speak english! And he speaks it with a broken accent, as did nadia. Jin speaks in perfect english, in his real voice(that of daniel dae kim)

[Mellis12]

Okay, this is a reach, but what if it's not really Jin? There are all kinds of speculations about cloning, etc. I don't really believe this, but anything is possible on this show.

[the Chameleon]

I dont know how but Jin is involved!

I'm beginning to suspect the same thing.
Let's examine certain events.
The rafters are confronted by the Others in the S1 finale.
Sawyer is shot and the impact of the bullet forces him overboard. Jin immediately dives into the water.
Many viewers (myself included) believe his intention is to assist Sawyer in the water.
Sawyer and Michael are the only rafters left.
Jin is missing.
Did he hitch a ride on Cap'n Gorton's tuna boat ??
Eventually, Sawyer and Michael drift back to the island.
Suddenly, Jin comes running from the jungle.
How did he get there ??
How did his hands get tied behind his back ??
In the boar pit, I noticed the expressions on his face -- it was different from when he was accused of burning the raft. This time, it's as though he understands what is being said.
Also, he was employed by Mr. Paik...
Asian relationships are not easily broken -- they have a sense of duty and loyalty that surpasses the Western world.

[Artuskan]

In a previous episode, didn't they show Jin apparently speaking English when he was actually talking to Jin in Korean? Perhaps this conversation is with Jin.

On the other hand, perhaps Walt is mind-controlling him and speaking through him.

[Cabes]

go here www.thetailsection.com/ (http://www.thetailsection.com/) to view next weeks preview for all you canadians (including me) who want to see the ABC version

[SantaRosaWarriorFan]

could Jin be an other?
Does he work for Hanso?
Dharma?
can't wait until next week

[chaos28]

Jin himself was not speaking clear english. At best, I'd say either Walt was speaking through him (unlikely) or it's a dream sequence.

Remember the preview last season that showed Locke with a white eye and a black eye, talking to Claire? This is going to be along the same lines.

Or maybe it was a flashback and he does speak english.

[kahanamark]

I think Jin could speak english all along...It is very difficult to learn another language...and english is one of the more difficult ones to learn. He had no trace of an accent..his english sounded "too perfect". I think he was learning english secretly as Sun was...too escape to America. There is no way in the short amount of time they have been on the island that he could pick up english that perfectly.

[Badger]

Yes, I saw that. It was quite apparent he clearly spoke perfect English. There was no acccent, hesitation or stutter. He did not have to look for the words. All of this indicates someone who speaks English as a native language, who grew up in the U.S. or has been exposed to English for a prolonged period of time.

Although he has certainly been exposed to English on the island for the past 45 days that is not nearly enough to speak it so fluently. It can be assumed with a degree of certainty that he has been exposed to English in the past in Korea, or while on business travel. However, we as an audience have been led to believe he could not speak any English. Even Sun was completely unaware of it, as we already know.

Although Sun did give him a self-made book on English phrases it was certainly not enough to have taught him to speak it so eloquently.

Given this it is all to obvious he has been deceitful. Then again, it's so obvious that perhaps it was the actor speaking, but I doubt it.

Another question: to whom was he speaking? I doubt it was to Michael, or Sawyer. Very interesting development indeed.

[SIMingAnon]

I'm sure we've all heard Daniel Dae-Kim speak english in interviews and to me, that voice doesn't sound like him at all.

[a2jward]

Anyone notice the background in that shot of Jin speaking english. It's indoors, there is a ceiling light casting light above his right shoulder and something else manmade in the foreground.

Didn't Jin say the same words to Sun last year. Only it was in Korean. I think TPTB are changing the formats of the Jin and Sun flashbacks to english. Several of the people I know in real life felt those two episodes last year were low points of the season. Maybe the producers just want to make this series more user friendly.

[eltraen]

When I watched the preview again from the link posted above, the English words didn't seem to match up with Jin's mouth. Maybe he is a ventriloquist's puppet.

[Ekolocke]

t could just be the ACTOR (as opposed to the character) appearing on a commercial for the show, telling us all to "watch next week."Me too. It's crazy for Jin to suddenly speak perfect English with NO ACCENT.

It was the actor.

[Been Jammin65]

Surely I am not the only one who has noticed that TPTB are very clever with their editing of the "Next week's Previews". One week ago, the previews showed what appeared to be Jack in the jungle hearing Desmond say, "We are all going to die", then Jack breaks down as if he is going to cry. In last night's episode, Desmond says those words to Jack in the hatch bunker, and Jack doesn't come close to crying. He cries later when talking about his wife (in the jungel).

I will not be suprised if they took someone else's words "Everything is going to change" and made it appear to be said by Jin, when he actually speaks in Korean during the next episode.

[Angelique71]

Hi new here to the board.

Had a thought after re-watching Jin speak English a few times at the end of the show. It is possible that the scene is of a flashback of Jin and he is speaking to someone else in English while in Korea. It does sound like the actore to me. Just as someone else mentioned the lighting does not look like anything on the island. And, if you will notice his hair is nice and neat and face is clean. I think it is a flashback. I have suspected from day one that Jin could speak English.

[lostinoklahoma]

My first thought about the preview of Jin speaking English was that he was involved and part of the bad side of things. Now, I"m convinced that the Jin we see in the preview is a clone of some kind and not the true Jin at all.

[otherdruid]

If I remember right from Season 1, didn't Sayid's first flashback episode start with him speaking in his native language? This may just be my memory playing tricks on me, but I think the flashback started with him speaking to his fellow soldiers in their own language, then there were some quick camera edits of their mouths to establish the transition to English. They cut back to a wider shot and the characters were speaking in a language that we could understand. Could something similar happen in Jin's next flashback? Don't get me wrong, I would LOVE for it to be revealed that Jin speaks English. That would add several wrinkles to the stories.

[Ekolocke]

A few people need a bit of a shave with Occam's Razor.

[Ctrlz]

OK, there is no way that the preview of Jin speaking perfect english is "just the actor" telling us to watch next week, are you kidding me?? When did we ever see a preview where the actor is talking to the camera ever before this? And no, the producers did not dub someone elses voice, that was him and you all just have to wait and see why he can, JIN, the Korean on Flight 815 can speak English on the island. Sheesh, you people have some wild ideas, very amusing.

Anyway, my theory on Jin is that he and Sun were somehow told not to speak to the crash victims and pretend they couldn't speak English. This would be the ideal way to spy since no one would suspect them and that they could essentially be sitting in the same room listening to conversations unsuspectingly. So, when Sun started to speak English out of good nature (to help Jin, as well as help Jack with the medical issues), Jin was angry at her for revealing their secret. I was seriously confused at why Jin was so angry at Sun when she revealed that she can speak English. No one should get that upset over something like that, just confused.

So next week's episode will reveal both real Jin/Sun's motives on the island, I can't wait!

[Ekolocke]

When did we ever see a preview where the actor is talking to the camera ever before this?When did we ever see Jin speaking English with no accent before?

Just because you haven't seen something before does not mean TPTB will not make it so.

[guywhiosme]

had to register to post this since nobody else seems to have brought this up:

i seem to remember several news stories leading up the the start of the second season that mentioned daniel dae kim, who speaks perfect english without any accent whatsoever, was preparing for season two by taking lessons to learn how to speak english with a korean accent. much like what yun jin jim (sun) did.

actually, here's the link to the article:
www.usatoday.com/life/peo...OE=LIFISVA (http://www.usatoday.com/life/people/2005-08-17-lost-dvd-party_x.htm?POE=LIFISVA)

so, based on that, i think we should all be expecting jin to speak english this season, but probably broken english with a korean accent.

so i've no idea what we saw in the preview for next week.

[spliph]

aside from the jin speaking english thing, i want to know how he swam 15 miles. in the season finale, right before they send off the flare, the estimate that they are about 15 miles out. jin jumps in the water after sawyer and we don't see him again until he is on the island. does anyone else find this strange? jin and michael were floating all night and into the morning before they saw the island. i don't care who you are, you can't swim 5 miles, let alone 15. and, if they were 15 miles out, i don't think a current would carry you IN from there.

[LostMyFace]

Everyone seems so surprised that Jin is speaking English...however, this has been hinted at in season 1

I have no clue which episode but one of the characters said something like....there are rumors going around that the korean guy knows English. That was our first clue that it could come up again in the future.

Now, I still don't know if he will in fact really speak English. With this show or any tv show for that matter, you cannot trust the previews. They are made to be exciting and "out there" to get us to watch again.

There are many reasons why he could know English.
- For travelling and other things involved in the "business" he works for
- For the very reason Sun knows English...to escape...this was hinted in the airport bathroom scene of Jin and the guy following him
- he is involved in the Dharma Initiative
- he's pretending to not know English to find out if the other survivors are involved or know more than they are letting on.

[Jesilu]

LOL, Pred! A shave with Occam's razor -- tell me about it!

Whoever said it's unlikely that it's a Sun dream sequence because English is not her native language does not know much about language immersion.

I have not personally been through this, but several people I know who've been tossed in a situation where they depended on a second (or third etc.) language to communicate said that they felt totally confident in their adopted language when they started to dream in that language.

Sun has no one to speak Korean with, so she's depending totally on her English skills right now. That makes it highly likely for to dream in English.

~Jesilu

[Leafy]

There have been several times when the previews weren't what they seemed to be. Some have been pointed out here already.

I also noticed that the words looked like they were dubbed over another language, so it might be the reverse of the scene last season when the camera came in on Jin's ear when the others were talking about the raft in English, and it showed that he heard gibberish. Maybe what we heard is what he is thinking, and not what he actually said. The only sure thing is that we will have to wait until next week to find out.:p

[LostMC]

That absolutely was Jin.
They never have had the actors (as themselves) promoting the next week, so I doubt it was that.

I have always thought Jin could speak English. My reasons...
1. He was going to LA to deliver the watch to an associate, would they really trust someone to do that who had never been there, could not speak English (how would he rent a car, how would he get in a cab, etc).
2. When Sun admitted (In English) that she was going to leave him, he absolutely understood.
3. We have known him to be very determined, and very stubborn... He easily could have hidden the secret the whole time.

[LostMC]

You are right on - I personnaly do not beleive it was a dream, but I lived in Spain for a year and after about 2 months I was dreaming in Spanish (somehow in the dreams I spoke it perfectly, but that was FAR from the case in real life, Sun is much better in English than I was in Spanish)...

My real thoughts are that he has spoken English the whole time (refer to my other post in this thread).

[mzsandeestar]

If it was Jin speaking perfect english....which seems most likely....then it what he said that is most important.
"Everything is going to change"

Jin is part of the Dharma controlled island management.
He is part of the plot to bring these newcomers to the island and keep them there.
He stowed away on the others boat. I first thought it was to help Walt, but now it seems it might have just been part of the plan.
He was not held captive and tortured. His hands were tied so he could trick Sawyer and Michael.
Ana Lucia may be working with Jin.

Everything is going to change


An open battle between the two sides will come to light and Jin will not be on the same side as the other 12 Lostaways.

Where will Sun's loyalty be? I don't think she knows Jin speaks english or anythign about the island

[minnesotaadvocate]

I have not personally been through this, but several people I know who've been tossed in a situation where they depended on a second (or third etc.) language to communicate said that they felt totally confident in their adopted language when they started to dream in that language.

Sun has no one to speak Korean with, so she's depending totally on her English skills right now. That makes it highly likely for to dream in English.

Just wanted to say that you don't have to be fluent in a language to dream in that language.

I've taken several foreign languages, but only know two really well. (I wouldn't call myself fluent.) I frequently dream in those two languages. I also have had dreams in languages where I only know about enough to get around a city and order a cold beer, not enough to hold a conversation. Those dreams are usually about me being a foreign tourist or a student, where I'm not expected to be fluent. I'm sure my accent sucks in those dreams (as I'm sure it does in real life).

But I still don't think it's a dream sequence.

[mzsandeestar]

Think about this ...if Jin was really being held captive by the "others" or rear of the plane gang, why was he the one to greet Michael and Sawyer.


He escaped from them with his hands bound?

I think it was all a setup and Jin is working with those people.

[EvilGrouse]

Dream sequene. My thoughts exactly.

Although, I did get up from my chair when I heard it, grabbing my head with both hands and flailing my arms wildly and pointing to the tv. Good thing my wife knows I'm not completely nuts. Yet.
Besides almost vomitting when Walt was talking backwards, Jin's English was one of the most, for lack of a better word, exhillerating things I've seen so far on this show. You just never know what's coming next.

[Aaron's Mum]

Im not sure what to think about Jin but it is either one of two things. He speaks English flawlessly (different than fluently), or it was someones dream or hallucination.

1. If he really does speak English he speaks it WELL. No accent at all. That would mean he began learning it really young. If you dont learn the sounds by age 5 or 6 you simply cannot learn them. Thats why so many people learn another language as an older child or adult and can never pronounce things 100%. You can be fluent meaning you are able to express oneself readily and effortlessly, but still not have the capabilites of some of the sounds. My doctor is from another country. He has a strong accent but he is fluent.

If thats the case he would have had to keep it a secret from Sun and everyone else in his life which would lead me to believe that he is involved in all of this. Last season it showed his dad as a poor fisherman so either that is a cover up or an uncle, teacher, or someone secretly taught him as a child. If this is what happened, then he has lots more secrets too. Can anyone compare a screencap of Jin's father to the guy in the filmstrip?

2. Speaking English was just someone's dream or hallucination. More believable in my opinion because Jin speaking English FLAWLESSLY is WAY to big to give away in a preview.

[SavagePenguin]

I like the Walt talking through Jin theory. Here's why:

The Hanso Foundation's website (http://www.thehansofoundation.org) lists these 7 projects:
Life-Extension Project
Electromagnetic Research Initiative
Quest for Extra-Terrestrial Intelligence
Mathematical Forecasting Initiative
Cryogenics Development Imperative
Juxtapositional Eugenics Development Institute
Accelerated Remote Viewing Training Facility

That last project may have something to do with it.

remote viewing: The ability to perceive people, places, events, and objects by directing the consciousness to any destination provided via specified coordinates. There is no limit as to whether it's current or past, large or small, near or far.

That's not far off from being able to talk through other people, or to be a part of their thoughts. One might even hear voices such as whispers, that aren't physically there.

Oh, and if you're unfamiliar with the Hanso website, feel free to whois it. It was registered in July, by ABC, so it's probably legit.

As for Jin swimming 15 miles to shore, he just needed to float and arrive a few hours ahead of them. Or he could have swam to the Others' boat and grabbed the railing. Then he'd have had a free ride back to the island.
From plot standpoint, there has to be a reason why the writers seperated Jin. Maybe he was going to try to save Walt, or maybe he was plotting with the Others?

[tony43221]

These are both way out there, but they are something me and a coworker thought of and they aren't outside the realm of possibility. At first we thought Jin has known english all along and because the scene had lights in the background would be a flashback. They could show him speaking english in the past and not have him give up that secret in the present, meaning that we would know he could speak english, but no one else would. We would be in on a little (well, not so little) secret.

We took that even farther and thought what if he is an undercover agent infiltrating Sun's father's business. It would make sense as to why he didn't want to kill the guy he was sent to kill (watch being killed). The holes in the theory are that he genuinely seems to love Sun, the marriage under this theory would have been based on him trying to get into her father's organization. But that could also be a huge reason as to why he doesn't let her know he can speak english. The whole cliche of using her to get close to her father, then really falling for her. Another hole would be considered spoilish so I won't discuss it here.

Whatever the case is, I don't believe it is the actor talking about the show. I also don't believe it is the writers of the show making his korean into english to ease the viewers into the conversation. Even though TPTB have done that on other occasions, Sun and Jin's speach has always been in Korean to emphasize the difficulty of the language barrier. They can show Sayid speaking english because we know he really can. They can't show Jin speaking english because we believe he can't and one of the major story lines is his and Sun's difficulty communicating with the other lostaways. The only other explanation that makes sense to me is that Michael is picking up enough Korean to make him sound like he is speaking english to Michael and we are hearing him from Michael's perspective.

I am going with he really knows english and for some reason doesn't let anyone know.

[Todsah]

Its actually very weird indeed how Jin got to shore after being 15 miles away from the coast. The only possible things i can come up with is that he clamped himself to the boat of the others and got dragged along. There's no way he would be able to swim back without being eaten by that shark :)

And how in the hell does he escape in the first place from his captors? I'd assume they would have kept him in the same hole in the ground as where they put Mike, Sawyer etc later.

[Jagasian]

Jin can speak English for the same reason that Locke can walk.

[minnesotaadvocate]

We took that even farther and thought what if he is an undercover agent infiltrating Sun's father's business. It would make sense as to why he didn't want to kill the guy he was sent to kill (watch being killed). The holes in the theory are that he genuinely seems to love Sun, the marriage under this theory would have been based on him trying to get into her father's organization. But that could also be a huge reason as to why he doesn't let her know he can speak english. The whole cliche of using her to get close to her father, then really falling for her.

Interesting! This theory seems to make the most sense of all the ones I've read so far. Even if this isn't the one, it's still a good idea!

[Tulebox]

Its actually very weird indeed how Jin got to shore after being 15 miles away from the coast.


Maybe you forgot the fact that there were two pontoon-shaped floaters for the raft,
Mike and Sawyer found one, and Jin obviously found the other. Mike said something
to the effect, 'Look, there's one of the pontoons', meaning one of two.

And I can't believe no one has even mentioned the fluffy yellow ball thing in the
background, while Jin is speaking. What the hell is that? And the window in the
background. I would say it looks like the inside of an airplane window, like a
window seat.

[Mattie]

Several of the people I know in real life felt those two episodes last year were low points of the season.

...In Translation was my favorite episode. :(

[ImprylFsh]

i agree that Jin is working with those other survivors. Either that whole group is somehow involved with the masterplan or when he landed there he decided to reveal to them he knew english and offered to join up with them so they wouldn't throw him in the pit.

I think maybe there was some reason he didn't want to reveal his knowledge to the original survivors. Probably because Sun thought he didnt understand english, but maybe he was afraid of someone in the group and wanted to play dumb.

If they had caught him they would have just thrown him in the pit and left him there, there's no way he would have escaped right at the moment Sawyer and Michael arrived. I'm sure that group saw them floating in and decided to send him out as bait.

Jin seems nice, but we don't know really know anything about him other than that he has a shady relationship with some type of mob group

[GremlinClr]

Folks, Jin can't have been faking the fact he can't speak english this whole time. They've alreay shown at least one scene I can remember of camp life from his perspective and all he heard was jibberish.

It's either a dream sequence (most likely) or that wasn't Jin. And there's no way it's the actor either. They've never done that before in a preview and it would be kinda dumb to start now.

[Tulebox]

No, this is not a dream or a flashback because Jin has a bruise on his face,
so it must be close to where the last episode left off, where his captors
smacked him around on the beach and threw him in the pit.

[Heygoodlurking]

Minnesota - I like this. My other half said just that last night. His English was too good. Either born in the US or double-agent stuff.

[Momofsamty]

I am also going with the idea that he understands, and has been able to speak English all along. I really like the double agent idea, that would explain many things, especially why he never wanted to tell Sun what he really did for her father's company. Remember the man in the orientation film was of oriental decent, the Dharma logo looks alot like the symbol on the Korean flag. Sun's father was a very successful business man, but we have yet to find out what type of business he was in, we just assume a mob linked business. And in the film the man spoke that there were major corporations that were backing the project.

[fatpeoplearefunnier]

This dubble agent stuff is interesting...

I'd like to through in my $0.2 here.
As a non-native English speaker i would like to point out that even when you speak a language fluently, even when it is your native language, if you don't use that language for a long time, you are going to have a strong accent.
I didn't speak my native language for 18 months and after that, i had a tremendous hard time speaking it again (had to search for words) and a mighty thick accent.

So... If Jin is a dubble agent, he still can't have been speaking English for at least 45 days or likely longer. We saw at the scene in the bathroom in the airport, that he won't fall out of his roll, even if there is no (obvious) reason to keep his cover. (Someone asking you for towels in the bathroom, why would you pretend not to speak English unless you are very very into your roll?)
So him speaking without any accent -regardless of the fact if he knew it all this time - i find pretty unlikely

[otherdruid]

I'm thinking that the promo piece was indicating that we'll see Jin speaking English in a flashback of his because of two things:

1. He's not just speaking English, he's speaking PERFECT English - with no accent.

2. If his episode (I'm assuming it'll be "... and Found") is flashback-heavy, it would be more convenient for us as viewers to hear him talk than be forced to watch subtitles.

A potential problem with this theory is that if you assume that the promo is for next week, "Everybody Hates Hugo", then you have to assume that Jin shows up in a Hurley flashback. 'Course TPTB could be showing us a glimpse of "... and Found" a little early. Time will tell.

[Ekolocke]

If it is not a clip from an interview with the actor talking about Season 2, I will chew off my right testicle.

[fear plastic]

If you see closely, there's a light source. Me thinks, his inside another hatch in the island or some sort of illusion from another cast-away inside the the original hatch.

[Hodgepodge]

Well, as I've said in the other two "Jin speaks English" threads.

Our own Sui Liath interviewed Damon awhile back. In that interview, he categorically states, "Jin does not speak English."

Remember the episode ...In Translation. Michael is pummelling Jin on the beach. The other survivors all have something to say about the goings on? Jin hears this talking as gibberish? Well, according to TPTB, that's how they decided to show Jin not understanding English.

So, if they come back now and say he does. I will never believe another thing they have to say. From that point on, instead of referring to them as TPTB, I'm going to call them LPOS (lyin pieces of <snip>)!

[dbrasco444]

momo i beleive Sun's dad's main business was cars. He had cars all in his office and wanted a "plant" opened back up. Obviously he is a dirty busnissman, but does have legit busnisses

[Tulebox]

So, if they come back now and say he does. I will never believe another thing they have to say. From that point on, instead of referring to them as TPTB, I'm going to call them LPOS (lyin pieces of <snip>)!


Agreed!

[Tulebox]

I'm thinking that the promo piece was indicating that we'll see Jin speaking English in a flashback of his because of two things


Maybe people should read my previous post, instead of rehashing the same ol' stuff.

Jin has a BRUISE on his face, which means what you see is present time,
right after being beaten and slapped around by his captors.

If you're going to bring up a dream or flashback, explain the BRUISE.

[a2jward]

i15.photobucket.com/album...npromo.jpg (http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/a2jward/jinpromo.jpg)

heres a screen grab of Jin from the promo

not sure if its so much bruise or just Jin's normally rosy cheeks. His eyebrow seems to have healed rather nicely considering it was split open.

I'm quessing Jin's flashback are now going to be in english, but let me say I've never quessed right about anything that has to do with this show.

[GremlinClr]

Maybe people should read my previous post, instead of rehashing the same ol' stuff.

Jin has a BRUISE on his face, which means what you see is present time,
right after being beaten and slapped around by his captors.

If you're going to bring up a dream or flashback, explain the BRUISE.

Maybe the dream is either Michaels or Sawyers. That would hardly be out of the ordinary since they're being held captive together. I could see them dreaming him with a bruise.

[Bobbyminio]

Its obviously a vision/halluciation to Sun or someone in the Hatch. If Jin had 'secretly' known how to speak english, he would have done it during the many times his life was in danger and he needed to speak english to save his own hide. He would have definately spoke english when he was running for his life towards Micheal and Sawyer instead of 'pretending' or 'acting' to have trouble saying the word 'others'. Do any of you pay attention at all?

[G-Man]

if it turns out jin speaks english it will be the biggest *shark jumping* moment of any show in recent memory.

you're telling me that he is in life threatening situations (running from his captors, etc) and he would still cover it up?? please.

i just hope it is a dream or at worst the result of what he learned from sun's "cheat sheets" she put together for him to read on the boat.

[mzsandeestar]

Did you notice Jin saying to Michael and Sawyer "udders" "utters" "uddders" and when they don't get what he means he says "others" very distinctly and correctly pronounced.

If he didn't know english, he wouldn't know what the problem was that they were misunderstanding.

I think no matter what the clip is a dream, a future flashback , or whatever, TPTB want us to be aware to watch Jin because he is not what we thought he was and he does speak english.

[kahanamark]

First, I do not believe that the producers are dumbing the show down (Jin speaks english so we won't have too read subtitles) come on! Are we as a group of people that lazy that we can't read subtitles. This is what sets this show apart, the Korean characters are a main storyline....not everyone in the world speaks english...it empahsizes the conflict that arises from a language barrier (as witnessed from season 1) OK...so I will say that in season 1 Hurley states " the rumor is the Korean guy speaks english" ..also when Jin finds out that Sun speaks english they have an argument in the caves...Jin turns his back and walks away...Sun calls out "I was going to leave you"...Jin turns around and listens to her...understanding her? Jin then says in Korean "it's too late"...I have watched this a few times and it still strikes me as odd.I think that they both speak english, while people visit the USA all the time and can not speak english... it would not make sense for him not to speak it considering his job and also bi-lingueal people often speak to each other in their native tongue.

[mzsandeestar]

I am trying to remember in the scene where Michael, Sawyer and Jin are attacked by the new people on the island....they beat Sawyer and hit Michael....do we actually see them hit Jin?

If they don't actually hit Jin , I think it is a give away that he is part of the conspiracy and so is Ana Lucia.

[otherdruid]

First, I do not believe that the producers are dumbing the show down (Jin speaks english so we won't have too read subtitles) come on! Are we as a group of people that lazy that we can't read subtitles.

I wouldn't consider the absence of subtitles to be dumbing down the show. I've got no problems reading subtitles. It's just a matter of convenience. They've already done it once with Sayid's first flashback episode, why wouldn't they do it again?

I've said this before and I'll say it again, I WANT Jin to be able to speak English and be a double agent or whatever. Why? Because it adds wrinkles to the story and makes it more interesting. I'm just not getting my hopes up for a literal transistion from what we saw in the promo to what we'll see in the actual show.

As for an explanation of the bruise on Jin's face, isn't it possible that he has had a bruise in the past?

[Mom]

What if Jin is just repeating the words Sawyer or Michael are telling him? Maybe this is a con Sawyer thought up and wants Jin to say these words...So we hear Jin saying them over and over...

[aj law 2000]

Don't know how the writers will work it into the story but, I just don't think that Jin has been able to speak English this whole time.

As another poster already mentioned, with everything he's endured to date, would he keep his ability to speak the language under wraps?

Also, remember that Sun lying to Jin about her being able to speak English was a big reason why they "split."

[stu of east texas]

maybe it's a clone of Jin, raised to speak english.

We know from the unused script page that cloning is at least a possibility...

[surlymermaid]

...but I think the flashback started with him speaking to his fellow soldiers in their own language, then there were some quick camera edits of their mouths to establish the transition to English. They cut back to a wider shot and the characters were speaking in a language that we could understand...

I'm waiting for this to happen in next week's episode...kind of like "Hunt for Red October" where the crew of the Russian sub speaks Russian and via tricky camerawork they commence to speak English.

[fatpeoplearefunnier]

He would have definately spoke english when he was running for his life towards Micheal and Sawyer instead of 'pretending' or 'acting' to have trouble saying the word 'others'. Do any of you pay attention at all?

Sheesh!
Can't people have a differnt opnion without being accused of not paying attention?
If Jin was acting, there was no reason to blow his cover. It is very possible that he is part of the conspiracy with Ana-lucia.

Also, remember that Sun lying to Jin about her being able to speak English was a big reason why they "split."

No, they split because Sun kept a secret from Jin and he couldn't forgive her. Or, if they are both under-cover agents, he was mad that she had blown her cover.

But yeah... I think the most likely explanation (though not the most fun one) is that he is really having a converstaion in Korean and they didn't want to subtitle it...

[Bobbyminio]

No one even knows that Ana Lucia is part of a conspiracy. I would say that the reason these people attacked Sawyer/Jin/Micheal, is because they think that our Rafters, are Others. I bet they are tailsectioners who are survivors also, they have just had a harder time.

[plokij]

Bobbyminio --- i agree as Ana Lucia knew too much about the flight that crashed.

[Beckers1]

Jin can speak English for the same reason that Locke can walk.

Works for me. :D

[sciencegurl]

I think Jin learned English secretly too, just like Sun. And I think he was hiding it from her, and from her father. They are probably in enough of a desperate situation that he has to use it to communicate with Sawyer and Michael.

[surlymermaid]

Jin can speak English for the same reason that Locke can walk.


I agree - didn't think of that til you said that.
Am I crazy, or did they ever say how Locke became paralyzed?
(if they did, I apologize - i have a toddler and can only watch taped episodes after young offspring are in bed...)

[minnesotaadvocate]

Ok, I finally got a chance to see the preview again.

I originally thought it was the actor giving a preview for next week, although the "double-agent" idea then got me intrigued.

After seeing the look on Jin's face when he said the line, I'm beginning to believe he knew English all along. But that's only if the preview isn't for next week, but later, when Jin and Sun get back together. (I assume it's not next week.) His expression would be perfect for a scene with Sun in the hatch, after he admitted he spoke English and forgave her for keeping a secret from HIM. Then he said that they'd put the past behind them and things would get better. Everything will change.

I looked for that yellow thing in the hatch (someone said it looked like a furry lamp?) but didn't see it in there. Does anyone else have an idea what it could be? And is there anywhere else it could be, other than in the hatch? This is assuming, of course, that it isn't a dream or flashback.

[Hachima]

Tonight on Jay Leno, Dominic Monaghan (Charlie) mentioned there was a voice over for Jin going on tour that he met. If there is a dedicated voice over for him I bet you can expect to hear him speak a lot of English that needs to be voiced over for other languages.

[minnesotaadvocate]

Tonight on Jay Leno, Dominic Monaghan (Charlie) mentioned there was a voice over for Jin going on tour that he met. If there is a dedicated voice over for him I bet you can expect to hear him speak a lot of English that needs to be voiced over for other languages.

ooooooooohh
Good catch! I saw Leno and didn't even think of that. But you're right!

If Jin only spoke Korean, there would be no reason to have a voiceover.

ETA: Damn, my daughter found a flaw in this logic. Jin DOES speak some English. When they were building the raft, he used the word "boat" and some other words. And he said "Others" in the last show. Those words would probably need a voiceover. Oh, well......

[Hachima]

Wouldn't really need someone so dedicated to the posistion that they would be going on tour for saying "boat." Guess just time will tell =)

[hongy]

i don't know if this was covered already or not, but...

Jin's korean is HORRIBLE. my father and i can barely understand wut he says if there's no captions. (i just felt like pointing that out cause i find it amusing)

anyways... back to the Jin speakin english thing.

i like the idea that jin can speak english like how locke can walk. but remember in the first episode when locke realizes he can walk? wut if jin didn't realize he could speak english?

but at the same time, in my opinion, it wouldn't make any sense because i can take a few examples from the 1st season where i could totally tell jin didn't understand english. there are 2 examples that come to my mind:

1. when jin offers the sea urchin dish to claire, and she finally feels the baby kick. although there were no captions, he was telling her "no no. i don't want to touch you. stop it.", etc., etc.

2. when hurley hurts himself on the sea urchin and tells jin to pee on his foot, jin tells him, "wut are you doin? are you crazy? stop it. stop touching me.", etc., etc.

i can't think of any other examples right now, but yea... those are my small thoughts.

[keriboi]

Just showed my gf episode 1 and 2 from series 1.
Michael was asking Jin about where walt was.

My gf picked that jin understood him by his reactions, so maybe there are more clues throughout that he speaks english

[AtHomeMomToo]

To me, it seems the lips and words don't match, kind of like a dubbed movie. It does not look like those words are actually coming out of Jin's mouth.

Just my 2 cents.

[mzsandeestar]

There has to be a reason why they included that clip in the previews.
I can't see any reasonf or it to be there if Jin does not speak english.

I strongly feel it is a heads up from TPTB for us to keep our eyes on Jin because "ev everything is going to change " and yes, Jin does speak english.

[artemisia14]

Remember..."They are not the survivors they thought they were."

[Chance Gardener]

I'm of the opinion Jin's flashback is going to have him speaking English instead of Korean. Why the change I don't know. Perhaps in Season 1 it was to partly cover that Sun could speak English until her flashback and then the pattern was kept for Jin's flashbacks.

I don't buy the double agent scenario, due to the watch incident. Recalling his conversation with the enforcer in the ariport bathroom, Jin reacted over the watch in part as a way to keep Sun safe. If the watch goes missing, Sun might get killed.

Further, Jin's reaction to his knowledge that Sun could speak English doesn't fit in with the double agent scenario. Yea, he could 'act' like he was betrayed to keep cover, but his actions after that point and more to the point, his actions upon leaving Sun, lead me to believe that he is the son of a fisherman married to the daughter of a powerful man (perhaps tied in with Hanso) and not a double agent living a secret.

I believe it was a flashback clip where they are letting Jin speak English instead of Korean for clarity sake only.

[mzsandeestar]

Does anyone know where the all important watch is now?

I don't see Michael wearing it.

I can't get a really good look at Michael's arms though.

[fatpeoplearefunnier]

Jin's korean is HORRIBLE. my father and i can barely understand wut he says if there's no captions

For what i understand Jin (whatever the actor's real name is) had to learn Korean for the part, because he didn't speak a word before the show started taping, so that copuld be true


Does anyone know where the all important watch is now?

the shark probably ate it. LOL

[redbullracer]

During the first few shows Jin kept saying to Sun, stay apart from them, say on our own etc so maybe he was just be antisocial by not speaking to em :)

Uddddersssssssssss UUdddderssss

[ss301]

Jin gets posessed by someone/something perhaps? Like in the exorcist where the girl is talking in a blokes voice...

[jparenteau]

If you look closely between the bruise in the preview and the cuts he has in the pit, they don't match up. I think it's a flashback, and that's my explanation for the bruise!

Ha!

:)

[w4st3d]

In the www.oceanicflight815.com/ (http://www.oceanicflight815.com/) website there is an updated script (click on barcode and enter "theislandiswaiting")

There Jin is clearly responding to Michael in english!

[luytpodiddywhop12321654]

This discussion has prompted my first post on this board, though I've wasted a lot of work time reading the threads. Like many of you, my wife and I theorized that Jin has known how to speak English all along, but I don't think the producers would have given us such an obvious spoiler in the previews. Remember that the orientation film was marked "3 of 6." What if that scene is from one of the other five films, and Jin is IN the film, speaking his native Korean, but being dubbed by an English-speaking "voiceover" actor?

[mzsandeestar]

That's quite a theory except Jin is a lot younger than the people in the film. The other films would have to be much more up to date for that to be possible.

[luytpodiddywhop12321654]

One explanation could be that the films are purposely made to look dated, but were made more recently (Why? As Rosseau said, "Are you on the same island I am?"). Another is that the scene is from something else that Jin was in -- maybe a documentary or a TV show -- that appears in someone's flashback, which the producers included in the preview to drive us crazy.

Anything's possible on Lost.

[DohBoy]

I agree with Chance. The writers copped out and decided to change the flashback to all English instead of having to deal with Korean translations and English subtitles.

I'm rather disappointed in their decision.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

If Jin spoke English, I think he would have gone ballistic when Hurley told him his wife is hot.

I'm with me fellow Pirate Doh Boy, I'd be very disappointed in TPTB if this was a way of 'unsubtitling' the show. That's one of the things that set it apart from so many others: Being unafraid to shoot full scenes in Korean. I never really understood why Sun's "I was going to leave you speech" was in English.

But there's a reason this is the final shot in the promo, and that's shock value. To leave that hanging out there for a week and then attempt a Red Oktober language shift would just add to the confusion. Wouldn't it?

I'm perplexed--I don't know the answer.

[tony43221]

I don't know how, but I still think it is Jin speaking english. I respectfully disagree with Chance on this one. Everyone says his lips don't match what he is saying but to me they do. I have downloaded the clip and watched it a few times and to me it looks like he is actually saying the english. I would hope that TPTB would understand that this would be really misleading and really hyped by everyone, not just us on the boards.

I also understand they have done some misdirection in clips before and fully expect misdirection in the clips, but this would be stepping over some imaginary line I have created in my own mind :rollin not only for the fact that it was english but the words were "things are going to change".

In any case in 34 hours we should know the answer ;)

[minnesotaadvocate]

SPOILER!!!!!!





Absolutely a spoiler!! Do NOT click on the link below unless you really, really want to know why Jin is speaking English in the preview.


Please don't discuss what you saw here on this thread because this isn't the spoiler board (which is NOT where I found this link, by the way) and I don't want to be banned or hated by everyone here for ruining their surprise.

us.video.aol.com/video.index.adp?mode=2&pmmsid=1415210 (http://us.video.aol.com/video.index.adp?mode=2&pmmsid=1415210)

Mods, please delete if this shouldn't be here. I thought it was safe to post just a link and a lot of spoiler warnings.

[yung23]

wow wow wow wow wow wow wow wow wow
WTF ?

i just got a shiver.
stil have it.

this is spoiler for sure. til tomorrow anyway.

[minnesotaadvocate]

I don't go to the spoilers board, but maybe someone can go over there and post a link back to this thread so they can see this, too. Thanks.

(I'm not sure if I'm happy that I saw this or not. I usually stay away from spoilers, but this was posted on another board in a non-spoiler place and I spotted it.)

ETA: WARNING!!

There are 2 posts below (so far) which mention some things from the link. They use "spoiler spaces" but be very careful scrolling in posts below if you don't want to know what was in the link.

[passenger]

oh my god..


um..


--going to spoilers.. :p

[ReptOffender]

all I have to say is.....holy <snip>!

[TiVoHASbigNEWS]

Holy <snip>, holy <snip>, holy <snip>!!!:eek :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek

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One question though, how was the ice cream still frozen?!?!?!?

Was I right or was I right, I told you the food makes you sick!!!
Kate is going to die!!! Kate is going to die!!

That scene was the craziest scene in the entire episodes of Lost to this date!!.
Jin is in on it!!!!........well maybe?

[passenger]

TiVo, maybe you should edit out the spoiler in your post and continue the discussion the spoiler section! it's there but no one's responding and keeping it alive! save the post!!

[Drovvningman]

nm

[jakepgt]

*wow*

[minnesotaadvocate]

ROFLMAO!!

I'm glad I posted this! LOL

Love the reactions!

[TiVoHASbigNEWS]

SPOILER MUST READ

















On the cornflakes carton the dharma logo is mirrored back to front!!
On the milk carton there is a missing person with walts picture!!

[ReptOffender]

all the food boxes/containers have the dharma logo....the hatch is part of the dharma project.

dunno about the Walt pic, too dark to say for sure, but it could be him......good eye TiVo.........:eek

[spon23]

SPOILER>>>>>>>












2 words.......









Dream Sequence....thats pretty disappointing actually. i hate when they mess with the teaser promos

[p33p1ng t0m]

SPOILER>>>>>>>












Talking about the promo clip.......










I could've sworn I saw Walt on the cover of that milk carton Hurley is drinking..under the "Missing" title...

[TiVoHASbigNEWS]

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Everyone in spoilers is agreeing it is walt.

You guys all know what happened when locke had a dream sequence, he was right!!!

Maybe walt's mother never died and her husband just got rid of walt while she was on a business trip or something?
It is definetly walt because they froze it twice on the milk carton, big time hint.

[keriboi]

ive put a capture in the spoilers forum its "spoiler"

[minnesotaadvocate]

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Maybe walt's mother never died and her husband just got rid of walt while she was on a business trip or something?
Wow!! That would make a GREAT plot twist!! And it's not even that improbable! He didn't want Walt around and we never did see her funeral, did we? Michael picked up Walt and headed out of there pretty quickly, didn't he? Interesting idea.

Also, didn't Brian seem afraid of Walt? Maybe this was his way of getting rid of Walt while Walt's mom was out of town. (But how is he going to explain to her that all of Michael's letters are missing, too?)

[LostMyFace]

Quote:
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i hate when they mess with the teaser promos
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Every tv show promotion editor ever in the history of teaser promos does it to mess with us



SPOILER












Quote:
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Maybe walt's mother never died and her husband just got rid of walt while she was on a business trip or something?
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That makes total sense. Brian showed up out of nowhere and said she died, gave him the plane ticket and sent him off to pick up Walt. She could have been out of town and he set this all up.

[NokomisIsABadRobot]

I dont think it was an 'out of town' job...... but she might have been squirreled away somewhere under lock and key and after telling everyone she dies, he tricked Michael into bringing Walt on 'this particular flight'...

remember, the housekeeper (nanny) thought she was dead also.

[LostMyFace]

I agree....we don't know either way it is speculation.
So indeed, it could be that she is "out of town"
if she was sent off and locked up somewhere, she could still be "out of town"

Yes I know about the Nanny...I never said I didn't think he told only Michael and Walt that she was dead.

So anyway, "out of town" is just one of my many speculations:
she could have been out of town
she could be in on the whole thing
she could be dead
she could be on the island
she could have been dead all along

it's all just speculation. No need to correct anyone.

[jinandtonic]

I"ve said this on several other threads since I saw the ending of last weeks Lost and I"ll say it again here:

I think we'll find out that it's actually Walt "speaking through" Jin. we know walt has some special powers, and he obviously tried to communicate with shannon earlier.

"speaking thru" JIn would be the most compelling and persuasive way to talk to the other Islanders. I would not doubt that Jin could have understood english prior to this, but no way he could speak it "accent free".

my pure speculation anyway

[TIVOgotBANNED]

I think i have figured it out, so much is starting to come togethor here.
Please follow what i am saying carefully..........




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OK so we saw Desmond in the hatch at the beginning of season2 working out etc.... and then we saw that shot of the mirrored shelves etc..

We see shannon seeing walt and audio is backwards.

I am starting to think these are all dream sequences.

I think when walt said 'push the button, dont push the button, bad'
was a dream sequence. or walt projecting himselves in to someones visions, dreams.

Now when we saw the mirrored part in the hatch, i think this was what walt was seeing and then projected himself to shannon to let her know.

Now walt is missing, he and hurley is having a dream sequence, i think walt is projecting his image and the missing writing on to the milk carton in hurleys dream so they can realize that walt is missing in the jungle..... the reason i think this is because the dharma logo on the cornflakes box is mirrored backwards!!!

when things are mirrored i think it is because of walt.


By the way Tivo got banned but you will never keep me out, if i get banned again i will virus the ass out of this web site.

[minnesotaadvocate]

Just bumping this up so people see it and don't start another "Jin speaking English" thread.

[LoStMyMiNd]

Bump

[fatpeoplearefunnier]

I can just see JJ Abrams and DL sitting in their studio laughjing their head off because they got everyone fooled soooo good....

think walt is projecting his image and the missing writing on to the milk carton in hurleys dream so they can realize that walt is missing in the jungle

Sorry don't mean to be disrespectfull, but HAHAHAHAHA.
Is walt like C3PO now? I don't think his powers are such that he is projecting himself on a milkcarton. Don't you think that if he had the power to 'hijack' a dream, that he would send a lot clearer message then that? Like: hey, i am kidnapped.
And don't you think his dad would be a good person to send this vision to? Instead of the milk carton in Hurley's dream...?
LOL