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nevermind
10-10-05, 06:14 AM
The Season 2 premiere showed a washer and dryer in Desmond's home/lair. They are very new (I know b/c I was recently shopping for new washer and dryer). In fact, they just came onto the market a couple of years ago.

This seems to be a huge clue. I heavily doubt that Desmond had these on his boat. Someone had to bring them there.

passenger
10-10-05, 06:27 AM
how do you know they're new? all washers/dryers look alike to me.. :\

LoStMyMiNd
10-10-05, 06:36 AM
So what is the clue?

1badanimal
10-10-05, 12:32 PM
I think that just because these machines are front loading everyone thinks they are new but I do not think so remember that commercial machines are front loading. If I was building an underground bunker to last for 20 30 50 years I would put in heavy duty appliances.

SarahWW
10-10-05, 04:18 PM
They aren't considered new because they are front loaders.
They are considered new because they are a particular type of front loading machine that has only been available in the US a few years (slightly longer in euprope). I haven't seen a close up of the handles or the controls, but if I did I could tell you what particular version it is of this new type of washer.

It could be a Kenmore HE3t, a Whirlpool Duet, a Kitchenaid, or a European "BIG" Bauknecht machine.

Can't find a screen shot on the board.

SarahWW
10-10-05, 04:33 PM
Judging by this image (http://www.dieoxidiertenschweine.de/losts2c.jpg)

the machines appear to be graphite Kenmore He3t or 4t
machines. From Fricking Sears. They were first available in the US in the fall of 2000.

If it's a 4t (I'd need to see a close-up of the controls) then it's only been avaible for a year.

So yes, the washer dryer is a dead giveaway that a delivery of a washer/dryer took place almost certainly
within the last five years, and that could possibly be narrowed down to an even smaller window.

InvasionFan
10-10-05, 04:36 PM
I think the washer is old enough that it could have been delivered before Desmond entered the Swan base thre years ago. Obviously the base needs to be resuplied as the food closet could not support two men for 20 + years.

LoStMyMiNd
10-10-05, 05:03 PM
And OMG where do they vent to? Don't the new machines have the option of venting inside?

ccmerlot
10-10-05, 05:05 PM
When Des is said to have been racing around the world, do we know how/in what kind of vehicle? I am assuming a sailboat, but it could have been a cruiser for all we know (or even a plane). I wonder if the newer stuff could have been salvaged from Desmond's wreck. Now why he would be in a race round the world carrying brand new appliances? I am picturing a 55 foot yacht with all the mod-cons.

SarahWW
10-10-05, 05:13 PM
If I were Desmond, and doing laundry for two at most, I would have selected a top-end AEG with ventless condensation dryer. But that's just me. :)

None of the Duet-type machines (Kenmore, kitchenaid, BIG, etc) comes with a ventless dryer option, which would make the most sense in a place where you might want to control ventilation or recycle water.

I think TPTB just picked the Hetties (a slang term for HE3/4t's) because they look all futuristic and cool, and are new enough to be a clue. Any european front loader with a ventless dryer would not be an obvious "anachronism" since they have been around long, long time.
I don't think they considered hiding the dryer exhaust.

SarahWW
10-10-05, 05:40 PM
Whoa, gotta revise my earlier guess. A better pic (http://www.yfzcentral.com/uploads/userfiles/z400central/washer.jpg) of the machines reveals a particular type of dial on the controls. That means these are not Kenmores, but Whirlpool Duets.

However, this a newer version of the Duet, with the new door handle. Earlier models had odd flimsy handles that cracked off. The new ones have integral handles like the Kenmores.
The color, which whirlpool called "Pewter", was also not available in the first series of Duets. This revised verion of the Duet was not available until 2003 at the earliest.


edited just to confirm that the model Duet in Desmonds lair was not introduced until 2003.

Zambini Stardust
10-10-05, 05:55 PM
TPTB went to a lot of trouble to include and even emphasize a 1970's era computer (was it a Commodore, Apple, TRS, Zenith, anyone know?). The made sure we could see the lava lamp, they showed the orientation film, etc, so we KNOW this plant was built and first inhabited in the 1970's. We don't know how long Kelvin was there before Desmond washed up on show, but we know Desmond can't have been there more than 4 years (does he say?) because he met Jack before Jack married Sarach which was 4 years ago, right?

Sooooo....they haved inundated us time anomalies. If Desmond has been there less than 4 years, and if the appliances are less than 4 years old, then why wasn't Desmond replaced when the new washer/dryer was delivered?

What about replinishing the food supply, the medicine? How did these things happen with Desmond being relieved or rescued?

HawaiiHeaven
10-10-05, 06:21 PM
Why a new washer and dryer, but no new computer or exercise machine, - why no refrigerator or freezer?

I sincerely hope that this was NOT just a gaff by TPTB, where a staffer setting up the set, as a joke or by mistake, put in brand new top of the line washer dryer and this is not a clue at all.

Also, where is Desmond's wrecked boat, and why did noone ask what his race was all about?

Oswald
10-10-05, 06:31 PM
if indeed these are supposed to be out of place modern appliances and magazines and not just oversights by the prop people I could only see two explainations:

1. Desmond did not tell them everything and he had been there voluntarily and had accepted new shipments of food, supplies and appliances.

2. the injectable or somehting else puts Desmond in a blackout state in which the people who run the bunker come in to restock,replace or repair.

That storage room was not big enough to hold supplies for 35 years, in addition to food there would need to be light bulbs, laundry detergent, shampoo, soap, bullets...so maybe the stock is getting replinished somehow.

SarahWW
10-10-05, 07:02 PM
I guess it could just be a flub.
But I think the washer may be a Chekov's rifle that is used further down the line in an important way.

Remember the line "RE-WIRE your hot button" on the blackboard in Locke's anger management class? Hmmm....

If the computer fails maybe they will use circuitry in the washer's user interface to save the day.

cajdb
10-10-05, 07:17 PM
I've also been toying with the idea that supplies are air-dropped onto the island. (Would explain how new stuff, like all the food, gets there but wouldn't contradict the idea that people who arrive on the island never seem to leave.) It would also complete the "skinner box"... pushing the button may well keep the deliveries on schedule.

Admittedly, air-dropping a washer/dryer would be much more extreme than air-dropping food... but I wouldn't say it was impossible.

That, though, would imply that there has been some sort of contact with headquarters in the last 5 years or so... at least indirect contact... which Desmond wouldn't necessarily know about.

I'd be willing to overlook the exact model of washing machine as a props error... but there are so many food supplies there that I'd be surprised if they haven't been replenished at some point(s). Canned goods, etc, last a long time, but not forever. The question is when. Before Desmond arrived or after? And how?

Just wanted to throw my thoughts out there...

nevermind
10-10-05, 08:19 PM
I seriously doubt that this is a case of prop oversight. Episode#1 of season#2 featured camera shots/views of the washer and dryer multiple times. In fact, there was a close-up of clothes tumbling in the dryer.

This seems to be a definitive clue that someone has upgraded/replinished the test facility within the past few years.

SarahWW
10-10-05, 09:51 PM
I'm sure Whirlpool is pleased with the product placement, at any rate. :)

Momofsamty
10-10-05, 10:28 PM
I'm sure they paid mega dollars for the placement of their product, product placement is very big business. Manufacturers pay alot of money to get their products used in Movies and TV. I doubt very much it is an oversight on the production crews part.

SarahWW
10-10-05, 10:30 PM
I guess you do have to factor in advertising trends

according to Jeff Kaufman, a Hostway Corporation
Marketing Manager/Media Specialist,

"With the number of homes using Tivo or other DVR devices these days, many advertisers feel the 30-second commercial has lost some or much of its value. More and more companies are moving away from commercials, and jumping on the latest trend in advertising, which is to make it, well, less of an ad and more a "real-life scenario" with the product “hanging out” in the background."

I'd think Lost is right up there with the most Tivo'd broadcasts, with lots of scrutiny given to set pieces and background.

We were meant to notice the Duets.

dooownthehatch
10-10-05, 11:51 PM
I think it will be interesting to see if they get used in future eps. Are the lostaways going to start showing up in clean clothes? Will everyone be assigned a day they can do laundry?

I suppose this belongs in T&S but it is rather minor.

SarahWW
10-11-05, 12:30 AM
Well heck, they can wash up to 16 pairs of jeans.

:smirk:

RUmooningme
10-11-05, 03:08 AM
I have seen some recent post that think that Desmond was resupplied by airplane.
I do not think that will be the case. We have seen two airplanes on this show (one large and one small) and both have been wrecked. The electro-magnet will probably be the cause of trouble for air travel.

Sweeny McCann
05-12-06, 04:44 AM
I was an appliance salesman for the past two years and i realized that during the last "?" episode the electric radiant cooktop in the losties hatch is fairly new... i think its quite possible like a year old General Electric... and in another episode there is stackable front load washers which are EXTREMELY new.... i think they are whirlpools.... now is this a slip up or done on purpose.... HELP!!

LostInWilderness
05-12-06, 05:29 AM
The front corporation behind the dharma hoax is Whirlpool. The whole show is really a revolutionary product test scheme. Merged. ;)

Mysterious Mike
05-12-06, 05:33 AM
Wow , I have never seen this thread before thanks LIW. It's amazing what that search function turns up sometimes.

x
05-12-06, 08:05 AM
Here's a capture of that stove top (http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=1178&d=1147136995).

Mysterious Mike
05-28-06, 10:39 PM
The washer and dryer turned out to be nothing but I liked the scene where Charlie was almost crushed to death by them when the hatch was doing its thing.

yung23
05-28-06, 10:42 PM
Judging by this image (http://www.dieoxidiertenschweine.de/losts2c.jpg)

the machines appear to be graphite Kenmore He3t or 4t
machines. From Fricking Sears. They were first available in the US in the fall of 2000.

If it's a 4t (I'd need to see a close-up of the controls) then it's only been avaible for a year.

So yes, the washer dryer is a dead giveaway that a delivery of a washer/dryer took place almost certainly
within the last five years, and that could possibly be narrowed down to an even smaller window.



NO FREAKIN WAY !!!!!

I KNEW THEY WERE NOW AT SEARS>> BUT I MISSED THE NAME !!!



graphite Kenmore He3t

:Cheers:

Meaty Ochre
05-28-06, 11:46 PM
Maybe I read over this thread too quickly and didn't see it, but Libby and Hurley, shortly after Libby arrived from the other side of the island, had a short conversation about the apparent newness of the washer and dryer in relation to most everything else in the hatch. So yeah, there is some definite significance to them.

Sorry if somebody has already brought this up. (I wish I could remember what episode this was in.)

Mysterious Mike
05-28-06, 11:49 PM
This is basically just a prop error that TPTB thought was funny that we were all talking about it and this conversation between Libby and Hurley , I thought , was them just giving us on-line posters a nod.

Meaty Ochre
05-29-06, 12:15 AM
This is basically just a prop error that TPTB thought was funny that we were all talking about it and this conversation between Libby and Hurley , I thought , was them just giving us on-line posters a nod.

You could be right, but it seems like a pretty bungling mistake to make. It would have never occured to any of the prop people or the directors that this piece of the set was so incredibly modern in relation to everything else? I mean it's one thing to note that the kind of rocket launcher Indy threatens the Nazis with in Raiders of the Lost Ark was first produced five years after the scene was set, but this "gaffe" on the Lost set seems of a different order. Somebody would have had to say something, even a grip or a coffee-gopher.

baskie
05-29-06, 12:28 AM
Porp error? What a load of BS.

Prop error that was soooo funny they drew attension to it in the script? Ya right.

Mysterious Mike
05-29-06, 03:52 AM
Porp error? What a load of BS.

Prop error that was soooo funny they drew attension to it in the script? Ya right.


Yeah because they had so much impact on what happened on the show. So next season is going to start with Sayid coming back from the boat and Charlie tells him what happened in the hatch and he says " but are the washer and dryer okay ". Whether you believe it or not TPTB do things like this such as the bird saying Hurley's name , they thought it was funny that people thought it was saying Hurley's name in the season one finale so this was basically a kind of inside joke for them.

Kahlfin
05-29-06, 05:58 AM
Yeah because they had so much impact on what happened on the show. So next season is going to start with Sayid coming back from the boat and Charlie tells him what happened in the hatch and he says " but are the washer and dryer okay ". Whether you believe it or not TPTB do things like this such as the bird saying Hurley's name , they thought it was funny that people thought it was saying Hurley's name in the season one finale so this was basically a kind of inside joke for them.

I wonder if they'll have Jin sitting by a camp fire saying, "Gee, I think I spelled my name wrong on a resume once..."

volney
05-29-06, 01:44 PM
:rotfl:

(Jin saying to Sun, "Aha! I have finally realized why I didn't get that job! I spelled my own name wrong on the resume! Hahahaha!")

As for the question at hand, airdrop seems logical. It would be quite easy to monitor circuitry remotely to know when something failed, simply ship in a new one and instructions. We know there's a second way into/out of the hatch that doesn't involve going down a ladder, easy to dolly the new appliances in and hook them up. The question is, where are the old ones? Same as the significant unanswered question of where all the years of trash have gone.

As for Desmond's boat... uhhhh, I think that was the boat he sailed in on and subsequently shot up. He was sailing around the world and that was his boat.

-- volney

nolster
05-29-06, 03:14 PM
I believe it was episode 2:12 Fire + Water - Charlie, where Libby comments to Hurley, "Doesn't this washer & dryer seem newer then everything else in here?"

So, I think it's definately a clue. Perhaps there's a way for the people in the hatch to contact Dharma when something in the hatch breaks (in this case the two appliances) that Kelvin never told Desmond about.

We now know that someone in the Pearl reporting in their notebook, "Subject 05228 loads laundry into washing machine. Subject 05228 becomes frustrated as machine refuses to function properly. Subject 05228 shoots washing machine with shotgun repeatedly." would never prompt Dharma to send replacements.

AlainaB
05-29-06, 03:26 PM
I actually remembering Libby (while "flirting" with Hurley) talking about how new they looked when she was sorting clothes.

HugoGrim
05-29-06, 05:08 PM
It's an inside joke for the writers, just like the bird saying "hurley".