Official dharmainitiative.com Discussion Thread

[mariodiclerico]

This thread has been renamed from dharmaindustries.com thread to dharmainitiative.com thread. There is a small amount of discussion on a SCAM site, dharmaindustries.com, however the majority of discussion on this thread is in reference to www.dharmainitiative.com (http://www.dharmainitiative.com) .Change made in conjunction with site update on 2/22/06.

Update 4/04/06 The individuals responsible for this site have contacted truffula to confirm they are indeed a fan site, and a little overwhelmed and unprepared for any ARG or webmaze action at this time. They attracted a lot more attention than they expected and simply cannot go forward from here with any further updates or action. The site is expected to either go off-line or remain stagnant going forward from here.

The site should no longer be considered LOST or Webmaze related and no further discussion is expected. Locking thread.

Thanks,

Lab

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Very very interesting...

[truffula]

I think we should wait until after tomorrow's ep airs.
It's up, but I get the feeling we'll find out more tomorrow night, and once we know (TPTB doesn't want to ruin the ep by opening up a secret site) after the ep, the site will open up with god only knows what kind of crazy crap.
Wait and see.

(or hack into it and let us know what you find :) )

[Chokmah62]

That guy is full of ****. The "IP Check" is a freakin' flash animation, it's not real.

I agree the site is playing a SWF file not a java ****** or active x or a remote servlet need to examine the httpheader for your IP adderss.

[katetheripper]

what if the login.asp checks your IP and the result of having the wrong one, it loads the flash movie`?

[Chokmah62]

Hmm, Good point an asp could do it and the link does go to www.kraftkost.se/login.asp

[zerokarma]

ACTIVE 24 ASA
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PostAddress..: Fajansstigen 11
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Fax..........:
Email........: phasio_productions@hotmail.com
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Name.........: Stefan Engblom
PostAddress..: Fajansstigen 11
PostCode.....: 196 38
PostArea.....: Kungsängen
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Phone........: +46.858172024
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Email........: phasio_productions@hotmail.com
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Name.........: Loopia Webbhotell AB
PostAddress..: Kopparlundvägen 7B
PostCode.....: 72130
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Active 24 is the brand for Active ISP ASA.

[xBecky]

the food label site is COOL.

[ExaltedSin50]

I don't know, but 481.516.234.2 is not a legal IP address 255 is the max for an octet.

Maybe 48.151.62.34 ?

Already tried that. :-\

[Silver54321]

In browsing the dharma industires.com page source info, the word "kraftkost" came up, so i googled "kraftkost" and here's what I found. It's very interesting because kraftkost appears to be an energy producing company. Check out the pdf. files here. Ther are some photos that kinda of look like similar stuff seen inside the hatch...

I'm not sure what language it is, but if anyone knows, maybe we can find out how to translate it.

www.hlk.no/cms/cmsadmin.nsf/pages/Dinesider_Kraftkost_z.html (http://www.hlk.no/cms/cmsadmin.nsf/pages/Dinesider_Kraftkost_z.html)

[I Like Freckles]

Looks like Norwegian.

[Ioncewaslostbutnowamfound]

i used babelfish to translate from dutch to english....closest thing I could think of for the language. I got a few of the words to translate. A lot of alk about Positive Energy. Might possibly be a magazine, centered on health.

[Garrath Moore]

I tried to translate it using Swedish and Norwegian. These are the results I got:

www.tranexp.com:2000/Inte...nor&to=eng (http://www.tranexp.com:2000/InterTran?type=url&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hlk.no%2Fcms%2Fcmsadmin.nsf%2 Fpages%2FDinesider_Kraftkost_z.html&text=&from=nor&to=eng)

Lots of stuff about "Positive Energy" Nothing concrete :(

:: Living is easy with eyes closed ::
:: Misunderstanding all that you see ::
-- Strawberry Fields, the Beatles

[acovell]

I tried to translate it using Swedish and Norwegian. These are the results I got:

Probably Dutch -- the Amsterdam connection

[Jaffa420]

Almost as fun as this one:

www.narcan.net/inthehatch.html (http://www.narcan.net/inthehatch.html)

[Magical Trevor]

Yay! I know too much! Go me!

[TiVoHASbigNEWS]

I lived in Danmark for nine months and have also lived in Netherlands. It is either Sverige (sweden) or norweigen.
It is NOT dutch.

The word Kraft is sweedish.

[Notum]

Hello all. Long time reader, first time poster here.

The language is indeed Norwegian. I'm from Sweden and Swedish is very close to Norwegian. I can tell you that that site has nothing to do with lost and the kraftkost.se thing is most likely a form of viral marketing. For what I am not sure, but I bet Stefan Engblom is rather amused at the amount of hits he's getting.

The Norwegian site deals with things such as positive thinking and overall spiritual and physical health and it seems that they are currently in the process of creating their own version of "American Idol".

I think it's safe to assume that the norwegian site has nothing to do with lost and that the kraftkost.se (dharma industries) site is just a fan project.

[kiwipat]

Indeed! it seems this Engblom (aka PHASIO) is some kind of evil mastermind. Read this thread (http://p073.ezboard.com/flosttheunofficalforumfortheabcseriesfrm29.showMes sage?topicID=2877.topic)

[TiVoHASbigNEWS]

can get in now though there is nothing there yet

[Jaffa420]

Posted: 10/5/05 7:33 pm
site
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can get in now though there is nothing there yet


Hmmm I can't how did you get in?

[SonicRaT]

Wow, stop wasting your time people. It's a fansite someone just threw up...

[ChiefxX]

it DOES seem like a waste of time, but did anyone notice this or is it me?

when I go onto the countdown/login page, the ip address ticks away, and the numbers get a grey background behind before the RED LOGIN FAILED or whatever flashes across. This happens every time I go onto the page, and I'd gone on ten, twnety, thirty times consecutively.

When I go ont eh page and the first thing I do is move my mouse directly over the symblo in teh bottom-left diagonal position, though, the first set of numbers gets a green background behind it and the numbers keep ticking. This has been the extent of what happens for me.

I only questin, because for me without fail so far, this happens both ways -- always red when I move the mouse to another place or don't move at all, always the green when I go over that symbol. I don't know if I'm nuts, if this means something, or there's soem other explanation.

Anyone else?

[Jaffa420]

I've noticed the green numbers when hovering over the bottom left of the symbol. I can't get any more to turn green though. You aren't crazy.

I agree that this is a fan site but heck so is this. It still could be interesting.

[Gaso]

By ChiefxX

it DOES seem like a waste of time, but did anyone notice this or is it me?

It is waste of time. Check my post (http://p073.ezboard.com/flosttheunofficalforumfortheabcseriesfrm2.showMess ageRange?topicID=4393.topic&start=441&stop=460) in the middle of the page to get some additional info on whos running this site...

The nooujz animation you see rolling the numbers is just that -- an animation. You can download the Shockwave Flash-file to your own computer by clicking this link and selecting "save target as": www.kraftkost.se/__login.swf (http://www.kraftkost.se/__login.swf).

Anyway, just for the kicks, I downloaded the animation and decompiled it (yes, even though Mr. Trance encrypted the Flash-file, it's easy to "break") to see what it has eaten... And boom, there actually is some functionality in it! If my quick glance was correct, you can have three of the four number blocks appear green, but not the fourth one. All the texts included in the file ended "Invalid IP" and "ACCESS DENIED", so don't bother playing around with it -- you won't , eh, "get through" or what ever. ET is not phoning home this time.

All in all there was 17 layers used in the file and the whole content was almost 1400 frames long... Someone's been busy! This Phatzoo-guy must've had a shitload of fun setting up these tricks of his, I mean, think about it: hundreds of people (who are not nerd enough to understand what's going on) trying to get all the blocks turn green... Hehe, makes me smile.

Gotta love the Swedes. :)


Cheers mates,
Gaso

[KinmarX]

you can also get green numbers by rewinding the annimation (right click) and clicking forward a bunch of times.

[Zeebadaboodee]

dharmaindustries.com is definitely NOT a fan site. After the flash animation, it takes you to the website:

www.thedharmainitiative.info

If you look at the registration for that website, it is this:

Registrant:
Bryan Burk
Bryan Burk
137 N. Larchmont Blvd. Suite 163
Los Angeles, CA 90004
US


Burk is one of the Executive producers of the show.

ksb

[torr828]

This is different. Havent seen it mentioned anywhere else.

www.dharmainitiative.com

When you click on it, it takes you to some high school reunion site.

[Sobbsy]

www.di9fftr731.com is attached to a hitcounter, someone set it up merely for the purpose of seeing just how many people would visit it once it was setup and announced. Nothing more to it.

[desmondisanazi11]

When I go to the website now, there is a login window that pops up. It wants a user name and password. Does anyone know what it is?

[pavot]

i haven't seen the login information posted anywhere. however my husband, who is a programmer, is trying to figure out how to get in. he's made some headway, but this is a case where teamwork would be in order.

please visit:
www.filmfodder.com/tv/los...1737.shtml (http://www.filmfodder.com/tv/lost/archives/001737.shtml)

and scroll down to his post (currently it's near the bottom, posted at 10/10 at 1:58am and begins with the phrase, "as somewhat of a computer guru." it appears the password is encoded in a number of functions, which, if unraveled backwards, could possibly be figured out.

wanna take a crack at it?

[ss301]

Hi pavot, I was going to post this on that site you linked to, but I might as well post it here:

*****************************************

Hi JohnT,

I started looking at this a couple of days ago hoping that md5.js was just some rush job, deliberately made easy so the fans could enter the site.
I was wrong.

I think it is computationally infeasible to reverse some of the functions they are using seeing as the encryption is actually a function of the input string length.

For the benefit of anyone here who doesn't work with computers, lets say you have a function which returns the number of characters in a word. Then "cat" equates to 3, "mat" equates to 3 and "chair" equates to 5.
However, given the answer, 3, there is no such inverse function which will tell us what the original word is (which could be any 3 letter word).

JohnT has the right idea, in encrypting a guess, and seeing if the encrypted version is the same as their encrpyted string.

Obviously, it's a bit painstaking to guess manually, so I'm gonna try and automate it.
What I need from people however, is a list of words related to Lost which might be either a username or a password. I can then try every word against every other word in a fraction of a second and see what happens.....

ss301.

[pavot]

Thanks SS301! I've just forwarded JohnT your message. (He doesn't keep on top of the boards as much as I do... lol.)

Let's get that list going! I tried lots of the obvious ones:
oceanic
oceanicair
oceanicflight815
dharma
degroot
108

gotta run,
pavot

[ponderingthings]

How about Dr. Marvin Candle
Password Namathe

I am unsure of the info (is it Marvin?) or spelling, but this makes sense to me.


De Groot
doctor

[pavot]

thanks, i forgot to add that... but isn't it namaste, with an s?

there's also "theislandiswaiting", which was used at the oceanicflight815 site.

maybe also skinner? bfskinner?

[tony43221]

It's an md5 algorithm to encrypt the password (really it's a hash, but that's unimportant). The only way to get an md5 hashed password is to be really good and lucky at guessing or brute force attack it. Any sufficiently long and random username and password are virtually unbreakable. I ran the two hashes through a dictionary checker, basically checking it against any single word in the dictionary and it failed to find anything. Continuing my cracking...

Because most of the sites like this are proven to be from a fan and not from abc or the producers, I would doubt anything great is behind the password, but it's fun for me to try to figure out anyways. :D

[ponderingthings]

So, if I understand you correctly, the user name has a certain number of total characters, and the password has a certain number of total characters....

What are they?

[pavot]

but i really want to find out what's on the other side of the login anyway. it'll probably say something along the lines of "go outside and play, you nerd."

and pondering, if you click on the link i listed above, and follow that to the jtsitedesigns link, it'll show you what the final encoded login/password should look like.

[tony43221]

So, if I understand you correctly, the user name has a certain number of total characters, and the password has a certain number of total characters....

What are they?

They are both 32 character hexidecimal values. All md5 hashes are the same length no matter what the value hashed. If you really want to read up on it try here:

www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1321.html (http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1321.html)

[ShooBaDoop]

Could someone please post a link to the site in question?

When I go to www.dharmaindustries.com, I get the same I Ching/Flash/Invalid IP/Access Denied page.

Thanks,
shoob

[tony43221]

thedharmainitiative.org/ (http://thedharmainitiative.org/)

[RocketFoot]

I can't wait to see what's on the other side...even if it is not official!

[ponderingthings]

Sorry this is to Techie for me. Was just trying to help. Hope you figure it out :D

[ShooBaDoop]

Thanks for the link.

Being a little weary of actually hacking sites, even just for a "game", I'm gonna shy away a bit. Unless the person that actually registered the site gives the go-ahead on here. Even though I'm sure it's harmless, not being an offical site, who knows what could be behind there.

However, I passed the information on to an encryption algorithm geek-friend and mentions it's nearly impossible to hack the MD5. The best thing is brute force.

Go for it!
Shoob

[pavot]

...don't you think it's there just to taunt us???? i think the site creator wants it to be hacked...

am i really going far out on a limb here by saying that? it just is screaming there... login... it's the only thing to do at the site other than watch the video.

[tony43221]

To try to break an md5 you don't really hack their site, you can just use the md5 hash, which is in plain sight when you view the source code, in a program that will brute force it. From the looks of it they want people to do this as if the hashes are correct it just sends the username and password unhashed to a script, if they didn't want people to try, they just would have used the script in the first place and done it all the password checking on the server.

And yes, it's impossible to actually break md5, all you can do is brute force it.

[ss301]

Hmm, this is getting annoying now!

If anyone wants a try, have a go here:

Lost Password Cracker (http://www.freewebs.com/ss301_/crack.htm)

Make a list of "Lost related" words in notepad, one word on each line, paste them into the wordlist box and hit "crack".

Unless you want to wait around for ages, I wouldnt put in more than about 50 guess words.

Gd Luck, and PLEASE TELL US if you get anywhere.

ss301.

[Ioncewaslostbutnowamfound]

this site is a fake...well at least not ABC official....because the swan logo is the original that popped up on the web before episode 3 where we got a clear look at the swan's beak and saw that it is more pointed.

[Losty]

If you take a look at the sourcecode you will realize that whatever you type in wont be sumitted. Instead of trying bruteforce you just had to take the hint from the source. Just follow this link

thedharmainitiative.org/orientation/ (http://thedharmainitiative.org/orientation/)

and you will see the company video.

[ShooBaDoop]

hrm

[pavot]

uh, no... we already KNOW you can see the video... and we already KNOW the site isn't "official", or by ABC, or anything... but some of us are still curious is all...

do you know something we don't, losty???

[yung23]

you guys are talking about TWO sites ...

[ShooBaDoop]

Good catch, Losty. I've been a programmer for many years and didn't see it...guess I wanted more to be there. Anyway, here's a quick programming lesson for other losties.

When you click the Submit button it runs this function:


function checkForm() {
var url="login/?uid=" + escape(document.forms[0].elements['uid'].value) +
"&pwd=" + escape(document.forms[0].elements['pwd'].value)
var hash = hex_md5(document.forms[0].elements['uid'].value + document.forms[0].elements['pwd'].value);
if ((hash == "4ce8eb77952dcf34505de7e04fd68fc7") || (hash == "732d9dda7f79c827c4453bda8f2d441a")) {
window.opener.location.href=url;
window.close();
} else {
document.forms[0].elements['errorMessage'].value = "Invalid login";
document.forms[0].elements['uid'].value = '';
document.forms[0].elements['pwd'].value = '';
document.forms[0].elements['uid'].focus();
}
return false;
}

Don't let all that "hash" and "hex_MD5" stuff scare you. What's more important is knowing that the "Login" page is named Login.

So, with that, you can see where it concatenates a URL with the following information:

var url="login/?uid=" + escape(document.forms[0].elements['uid'].value) +
"&pwd=" + escape(document.forms[0].elements['pwd'].value)

which basically means: url = login?uid=username&pwd=password

Now, assuming you actually entered the correct username/password combination, all it would do is open a new browser window to the same Login page, passing in the same username and password you originally entered. That's what this line means:

window.opener.location.href=url;

If you get it incorrectly, of course it just blanks out the username and password boxes and taunts you to try again. These lines:

document.forms[0].elements['errorMessage'].value = "Invalid login";
document.forms[0].elements['uid'].value = '';
document.forms[0].elements['pwd'].value = '';
document.forms[0].elements['uid'].focus();

Now, if the URL was really set to a different page other than the login page, then yeah, I'd be all for it...but, whether you get it right or wrong, you just keep looping....never getting away from the Login page.

Amusing, but childish.

Hope that helps everyone that's been trying to get the right combination and sets some minds at ease.

FWIW...I wish someone out there would actually build a site that does something and requires some "skill" or hard work to get through to the secrets. If you're going to cyber-squat a good domain name, please do something with it.

Shoob

[pavot]

hmm...
somehow i'm not totally yet convinced... i'll get back to you on that.

at any rate, this has been a good distraction today.

[ss301]

ShooBaDoop,

Sorry, but I'm afraid your analysis there is a bit off.

"Login" isn't just a static page which is the same every time it is called, it is actually a dynamically generated server side script.

(also, it doesn't open a new browser window. in javascript, window.opener refers to the parent of the current window, which would be the main window with the Dharma logo in it. This suggests the content is worthy of displaying in a large sreen.)

There is no information there to tell us that the page will appear exactly the same when the correct query string (combination of username and password) is passed in.

This is a common scripting technique used widely on the internet. The server side script which contains the content, often has a conditional in it to check if the correct environment variables are present. If they are, then the content is displayed, if not, a default error message/login screen is displayed.

Keep trying everyone, use this tool...

Dharma password tester (http://www.freewebs.com/ss301_/crack.htm)

[tony43221]

ss301 is correct, it is a server side script running and we have no idea what it does. It may very well just loop back no matter what username password combo is used or it may forward to a new page. As this is an unofficial site, more than likely we won't get any new information even if it does go somewhere, it is just fun to try and do. The thing about the javascript is that it checks the hash to see if the username/password is correct before sending it to the unencrypted username and password to the server. To me this says that they want people to try to get in since you can try to crack a hash on your own computer instead of submitting usernames and passwords over and over to the server.

It is also hashing a concatination of the username and password and it looks like there are 2 username/password combinations that are correct.

[sculpey]

So far the only thing a friend of mine has found unsecured on their server is a link to the orientation film.

edit........ the .mov may be on their server

thedharmainitiative.org/orientation/ (http://thedharmainitiative.org/orientation/)

[KinmarX]

thats because all you have to do to get to that is click on the DHARMA logo...

[sculpey]

True..... but he's trying to work on what else is on the server itself.

[pavot]

Well, please let us know if you find out anything else!

[sculpey]

My friend who does network security just sent me this.

"i'll give you this...
the user hashed is
4ce8eb77952dcf34505de7e04fd68fc7

the password hashed is
732d9dda7f79c827c4453bda8f2d441a

now, just download lepton's crack (i prefer the linux version) and in a few days you should be golden...

or you can take every single word from the show that you can come up with, put them in a text file, and run them from Brutus and point him at the server. either way should get you in eventually..."

Anyone know what to do with it?

[pavot]

Sculpey, I really appreciate your friend's work, but it appears he's sort of reinventing the wheel. If you'd read the above posts, in particular the above links, you would have seen that we already know thoses hashes. ss301 even has made a program where you type in words related to the show:
www.freewebs.com/ss301_/crack.htm (http://www.freewebs.com/ss301_/crack.htm)

not to mention johnt, who created a similar program except you see how your password/username entry is encoded:
jtsitedesigns.freezope.org/lost/login (http://jtsitedesigns.freezope.org/lost/login)

As for lepton's crack however, i have no idea what it is. Can you explain??

[sculpey]

fiddlesticks......... I missed those hashes in all that code. My apologies.

[pavot]

no prob, you'll see i updated my posts to include a few links that may be helpful to you and your friend. i really do want to figure this dang thing out.

[sculpey]

What the hell...... I just emailed the person it's registered to and asked for the stupid password. Any bets on me getting an answer?

[pavot]

lol. that's too much. my husband suggested the same thing a few days ago... and i laughed him off.

:rollin

[dbrasco444]

anyone think about the numbers for a password?

[tony43221]

Lepton's crack and Cain are programs that will brute force hash's and other password files. You take the encrypted password, in this case the two hashes and feed them into the program. It then tries every combonation of letters, numbers, and special characters (you pick what you want it to try) and then hashes each and compares it to the original encrypted program until it finds a match. The problem is that it takes a while to work and if the password is longer than 7 or 8 characters it will take years to find the value. I have tried running dictionary attacks against it (using a dictionary as a list of words to try) and so far haven't found anything. Since the username and password are concatinated and hashed it is unlikely that a bruteforce attack will work. The idea about making a dictionary from all lost words and feeding into one of these programs is a great idea though. It may be that this person picked an extremely long string of random characters to use just to have us spin our wheels. I'm hoping there is something there though.

Brutus I would strongly recommend not using. Brutus actually feeds the passwords to the website using up the websites bandwidth. It is at the least frowned upon and at worst illegal. Using Cain or Lepton you do all the work on your computer and nothing is tried against the website until you find the correct username and password.

[Gaso]

Anonymous domain registration, MD5-hashed username & password... Nice one. :)

There are several tools availible for brute-forcing MD5 hashes. Like MDCrack NG 1.2 (http://c3rb3r.openwall.net/mdcrack/) and Rainbow Crack (http://www.antsight.com/zsl/rainbowcrack/).

The first one based on simple bruteforce-technique... I tried it for the kicks and got about a million passwords tried per one second. How long would it take to find the username and correct password? Depends on how long the strings are. Might take couple hours or couple thousand years.

The second software is based on a method called Rainbow Tables. Solving passwords by using these tables is not 100 percent accurate, but with correct tables one can solve 14 digit password that can include any special characters in just seconds with a 99.9 percent accuracy. The catch then? Generating the tables takes a shitload of time. The one required above would take 2354 days to generate with a 666MHz processor and it requires 64 GB of disk space... A table like this can be purchased from the author with $500, but I doubt anyone would want to crack this site so bad.

There's also a site called MD5 Reverse Lookup (http://www.md5lookup.com/) online, which tests the entered hash against a database. It can solve 1-7 digit passwords (utilizing the characters a-z) with a 100 percent accuracy. The size of the database is 170 GB now -- a database capable of solving 8 digits would take 4.5TB!

So this is a tough nut to crack. I doubt it's worth it. :)


Cheers,
Gaso

Ps. I take no responsibility if the software mentioned screws your computer, you or your family members... Try them at your own risk.

[pavot]

Let's hope the site owner emails Sculpey back then!

[sculpey]

Okie Dokie. here's the reply I got:

If you mean,
thedharmainitiative.org
They are just plain thieves. They steal our graphics and our concept.
The original sites are:

www.dharmaindustries.com
www.di9fftr731.com
www.dharmainitiative.info
www.thedharmainitiative.info

And a message from us at Dharma Industries: "Even small details have big impact"

[tony43221]

I've tried the lookup site, no dice. The rainbow tables is basically the same thing as a lookup site but it generates the hashes first and then just compares results. It is much faster to compare the results rather than hashing each time, but to get the table of results you have to do the hash once, so for our purposes it's pretty useless. It's really good when you have to do this type of stuff frequently and can make up/buy all the hashes once and not again.

And yes, I'm positive it's not worth it :rollin

[sculpey]

No reply yet from the actual owner of this

THE DHARMAINITIATIVE.ORG

[Gaso]

by sculpey:

If you mean,
thedharmainitiative.org
They are just plain thieves. They steal our graphics and our concept.
The original sites are:

www.dharmaindustries.com
www.di9fftr731.com
www.dharmainitiative.info
www.thedharmainitiative.info
Read more about who's behind these sites from these posts:
my first post a while back (http://p073.ezboard.com/flosttheunofficalforumfortheabcseriesfrm2.showMess age?topicID=4393.topic&index=447) and the next one (http://p073.ezboard.com/flosttheunofficalforumfortheabcseriesfrm2.showMess age?topicID=4384.topic&index=35).

"Steal our graphics and our concept..." Funny. :)

- Gaso

[sculpey]

Hey, anybody that can remix a song by Finnish rock sensations, 'The Rasmus' has to be pretty clever ;)

[pavot]

I'm confused now, Sculpey, who did you get that response from? You have or have not yet heard from the folks behind thedharmainitiative.org ???

[sculpey]

I haven't heard back from the people at thedharmainitiative.org yet and I don't think I'm going to.

[pavot]

Then from whom did you get that earlier reply?? The one that starts with the phrase "If you mean..."

[sculpey]

That was from the owner of www.dharmaindustries.com. I emailed both of the owners.

[pavot]

So Sculpey, I take it you never heard back?????

[Bekka]

Is anyone still trying to figure this out, or did we decide it's not worth it?

[tony43221]

I'm done with it. I ran a password cracker against the hashes for about 2 days, once it got into 7 characters it becomes prohibitively long so.... unless someone guesses them it probably won't be solved. And that could be what the website owners wanted. :\

[nitrofreak230]

Hello everybody,

I have just two words for all of us.....

SKINNER BOX

[Bekka]

Nitro, your post is not worth much if you don't explain it. :)

[nitrofreak230]

sorry, let me explain..

As most of all know, B. F. Skinner created the experiment where rats pushed a feeder bar to get the pellet. Well, it seems to me that some people would be just demented enough to create a website where people such as you and I would continue to push the feeder bar in order to get the pellet. The pellet, in our case, being the answer to whats behind "door number 1". Skinner added all types of variables to the experiment. One of those variables included eliminating the pellet in order to see how many times the rat would push the feeder bar before he (the rat) said screw it and stopped pushing the bar. Most times, the rat was smart enough to stop after say, 3 or 4 times. Know I don't know about the rest of you, but I sat in front of my computer attempting to solve the username/password puzzle for the better part of the day yesterday. It was then that I realized that a damn rat has more sense than I do. So to who ever created that website, I would just like to say, you got me f#@!er. It won't happen again.

[captkirkrules]

If you go to the /thehansofoundation.org/ (https://thehansofoundation.org/) website which displays a "bigspaceship1.com" link - follow that, it opens up a flash site of two polar bears. the bears blend together - at the center of the blend a red flash appears - freeze the frame - step through until the red dot appears - within the red dot is the code "2FENO6" maybe that has something to do with the code to break the password.

[Jaffa420]

"If you go to the /thehansofoundation.org/ website which displays a "bigspaceship1.com" link"

That's gotta be a hack. Invalid site cert. Hmmmmm

[tony43221]

That's gotta be a hack. Invalid site cert. Hmmmmm

With Microsoft Internet Server you have to have a cert to enable https.It looks like they just used Microsofts own cert generator to generate a cert rather than paying $350 or so for a real one for a fan site. When you do that you get a cert that allows encrypted traffic, but will bring up a warning basically saying "this cert wasn't generated by a trusted authority".

[Jaffa420]

Just edited the wrong post darnit but at least you read it.

[tony43221]

And that's what exactly what I meant. It's not a Disney site.

[_Dac_]

Hey, first post here, so forgive me if this has already been disscussed or if im posting in the wrong spot.

I found this on the net the other day, and, while going through the source code, i found something strange, so, returning to the original site, and hitting Ctrl+A, unveils some rather...bizzare text.

Im not sure if its real, fan made, or whatever, but it fits the whole mystery very well, except for that last line.

http://www.dharmainitiative.com/

Look there, and if you dont wish to be spoiled, for the love of the gods, dont click it!

-Dac

[ZigbertToshicus]

Yeah, I found something too.

It says "Your Browser Does Not Support Frames."

Very, very strange indeed. Cryptic.

[JohnLocke]

Just another spoof website put up to mess with the minds of lost fanatics

[_Dac_]

Jeez...



"Phase 3 Disclosure: The Dharma Initiative is not a secret international research project. You see, the island is part of another "dimension", I guess you'd call it, and is sort of "in between" the universes that are made of light matter and dark matter. We call it "Dharma". It's part of a whole planet that is pretty much available for colonization. It could also be used as a future conduit for inter-dimensional/intergalactic travel. The only problem is that we can't exist there naturally. The island only materializes when there's a solar eclipse. During that time the unique electromagnetic frequency added to the gravitational distortion allows both it and us to exist within the same space. But that "effect only lasts for 108 minutes, and then the island disappears from our world, taking any inanimate matter with it that's left behind.

If you were standing on the island after the primary eclipse period ended and the 108 minutes were up, you'd feel a great big suck of air and then "PLOP!" you'd fall right back into the ocean. Naked.

We are trying to change that. Actually, Majestic 13 developed a machine years ago that allows us to exist there. It's weird, but once us and the island "disappear" into the Dharma dimension, we have days and nights just like the earth one. But we can't travel more than 42 kilometers outside the machine's effective range.

The plan is to develop a way to genetically engineer animals with the right quantum frequency so they can exist in Dharma on their own. That's what the project is all about, and until now it's been classified.

The fictional tv series "Lost" is part of the worldwide disclosure plan. "

[truffula]

I came to post something about the site, as I just stumbled on it myself, but _Dac_ that's a pretty wild theory you got goin on over there!! :hypnotize
You realize I now want you to clarify more. What is Majestic project? What role did/do you play in all this "reality of Lost"? Are you really Ignacio Wallace?

Anyways, this seemingly new site www.dharmainitiative.com (http://www.dharmainitiative.com) gives one the impression that you could have a web-conference call with ALVAR HANSO himself. I didn't have the requirements to do so on my CPU, anyone else wanna give it a try? And the buttons at the bottom don't do anything, and there aren't enough spaces to put in all the Numbers, so I'm totally LOST on this one.

Peace,
Truff

[truffula]

Yeah, there must be somethin wrong with my browser or somethin, I get a blank window, that's it. Thanks for tryin though.
I just posted this in T&S about another mysterious website www.dharmainitiative.com (http://www.dharmainitiative.com) :
This seemingly new site www.dharmainitiative.com (http://www.dharmainitiative.com/) gives one the impression that you could have a web-conference call with ALVAR HANSO himself. I didn't have the requirements to do so on my CPU, anyone else wanna give it a try? And the buttons at the bottom don't do anything, and there aren't enough spaces to put in all the Numbers, so I'm totally LOST on this one.
Anyone? :help:

Peace,
Truff

[tribe]

did you notice, it says "unLocke" instead of "unlock". tried to make that call, but the server couldnt be reached, or something like that. there must be something hidden in that webby, i'm just not good enough at math to discover what numbers to punch in

[d10sfan]

I dont really get what that netmeeting call thing is about. I guess it was just a little thing to make it look cryptic and interesting. I downloaded the site onto my computer using a website extractor and I discovered some stuff:

1. There is hidden text inside the website under the netmeeting call link. It reads:

Phase 3 Disclosure: The Dharma Initiative is not a secret international research project. You see, the island is part of another "dimension", I guess you'd call it, and is sort of "in between" the universes that are made of light matter and dark matter. We call it "Dharma". It's part of a whole planet that is pretty much available for colonization. It could also be used as a future conduit for inter-dimensional/intergalactic travel. The only problem is that we can't exist there naturally. The island only materializes when there's a solar eclipse. During that time the unique electromagnetic frequency added to the gravitational distortion allows both it and us to exist within the same space. But that "effect only lasts for 108 minutes, and then the island disappears from our world, taking any inanimate matter with it that's left behind. If you were standing on the island after the primary eclipse period ended and the 108 minutes were up, you'd feel a great big suck of air and then "PLOP!" you'd fall right back into the ocean. Naked.

We are trying to change that. Actually, Majestic 13 developed a machine years ago that allows us to exist there. It's weird, but once us and the island "disappear" into the Dharma dimension, we have days and nights just like the earth one. But we can't travel more than 42 kilometers outside the machine's effective range.

The plan is to develop a way to genetically engineer animals with the right quantum frequency so they can exist in Dharma on their own. That's what the project is all about, and until now it's been classified.

The fictional tv series "Lost" is part of the worldwide disclosure plan.


2. The buttons dont seem to actually go anywhere once they are clicked. It does have code that says onClick do something but it looks like it dosent actually go anywhere. The only one that seems to do something is the button labelled 108.00 which clears all of the text fields.

3. Also (totally not about lost but about the website itself), the actual website is at https://s.hostingprod.com/@www.oida.org/ssl/dharma. The page on the domain just links to that page.

If you would like to see proof of what I am talking about I will provide the source code I found

[truffula]

Ah so, grasshopper.
So _Dac_ isn't some wild government agent, he/she just was the first to find the hidden message. Man, I sure jumped the gun on THAT one - :whistling
d10sfan - I would like to see the source code (even if I can't make anything out of it) just for fun.

Peace,
Truff

[p0s3r]

Its a really badly designed site, looks fake as hell, the writing is bad, what they're actually saying doesn't make any sense... what more proof do you need of this being a completely bogus site?

[d10sfan]

I have posted the site here: http://www.fy06.com/lost. To view the source code go here: http://www.fy06.com/lost/code.txt. I have not changed the source code in any way except for getting the "hidden" text to show up (changing the color of the text to white).

[critikalerror]

Well, it's all bogus, anyway.

The text you can easily find by merely highlighting it.

The links lead to callto://Hanso. There would be no such domain.

The buttons don't really do anything, either, according to the source code. They don't take you anywhere.

I'm guessing they used the frame technique to hide the code. Doesn't matter. If we can see the page in front of us, then there's a way to get to it.

Plus, the design is highly unprofessional...

...if ABC were to have made a site, it's pretty much a guarantee that it would be of high quality, and would probably include Flash.

[yung23]

neat little theory, someone must have read our wrinkle in time thread and designed a site for their own version.

seems like our "walt milk carton" re-maker is at it again.

[Druzliah]

Ah so, grasshopper.
So _Dac_ isn't some wild government agent, he/she just was the first to find the hidden message. Man, I sure jumped the gun on THAT one - :whistling
d10sfan - I would like to see the source code (even if I can't make anything out of it) just for fun.

Peace,
Truff

LOL Truff it happens.

[plastique]

Well, it's all bogus, anyway.

The text you can easily find by merely highlighting it.

The links lead to callto://Hanso. There would be no such domain.

The buttons don't really do anything, either, according to the source code. They don't take you anywhere.

I'm guessing they used the frame technique to hide the code. Doesn't matter. If we can see the page in front of us, then there's a way to get to it.

Plus, the design is highly unprofessional...

...if ABC were to have made a site, it's pretty much a guarantee that it would be of high quality, and would probably include Flash.

The callto: link is actually the standard semantics for initiating a call within the Skype ip-telephone network.

If you install Skype and press this link, Skype will try to call up "alvarhanso" which is actually a registered user in Skype... but i doubt you will get any answer from him.. but perhaps an answering machine ?

regards,

[_Dac_]

Hey, i never once believed in this theory, i just havent seen it discussed anywhere before, and was wondering what other people's opinions were!


And no, im not some weird government agent who works for the CIA :P Just an average joe who likes lost.

[BluPencil]

Regardless of the source of the theory (from TPTB or not), I think the "other dimension" theory really holds water. It fits with my theory about how the unseen scientists on the show have found a way to mathematically quantify and alter the very nature of reality. The name "dharma," I think, illustrates that this theory holds up: Experimenters have used scientific means to tap into what once was exclusively a spiritual world.

Also, remember this (sorry, can't remember who to credit this math to):

Assign each letter of the alphabet a number so that 1 is A, 2 is B, etc. up to 26 for Z. Then wrap back to the beginning so that 27 is A again, 28 is B, 29 is C, and so on.
4: The 4th letter in the alphabet is D
8: The 8th letter in the alphabet is H
15: If you add 4 + 8 + 15, you get 27 which wraps back to A.
16: 4 + 8 + 15 = 27, and 4 + 8 + 15 + 16 = 43. 27 + 43 = 70 which gives you a R.
23: 16 + 23 = 39, which is M.
42: 4 + 8 + 15 + 16 + 23 = 66, and 23 + 42 = 65. 65 + 66 = 131 which is an A.

This "other dimension" thing is a Lost theory most everyone can get behind. Both the science camp and the mysticism camp can be appeased.

[nicolbw]

Whoever came up with that math is stretching it alot. To come up with each letter you have to do a completely new equation. I'm not buying it and neither should anyone else. Now if there was solution that made any sense I would buy it or at least consider it.

I'm happier sitting here not grasping at straws.

[juanbong]

Going into http://www.dharmainitiative.com/, now has this to say if you highlight it.

Phase 3 Disclosure: The Dharma Initiative is not a secret international research project. You see, the island is part of another "dimension", I guess you'd call it, and is sort of "in between" the universes that are made of light matter and dark matter. We call it "Dharma". It's part of a whole planet that is pretty much available for colonization. It could also be used as a future conduit for inter-dimensional/intergalactic travel. The only problem is that we can't exist there naturally. The island only materializes when there's a solar eclipse. During that time the unique electromagnetic frequency added to the gravitational distortion allows both it and us to exist within the same space. But that "effect only lasts for 108 minutes, and then the island disappears from our world, taking any inanimate matter with it that's left behind.

If you were standing on the island after the primary eclipse period ended and the 108 minutes were up, you'd feel a great big suck of air and then "PLOP!" you'd fall right back into the ocean. Naked.

We are trying to change that. Actually, Majestic 13 developed a machine years ago that allows us to exist there. It's weird, but once us and the island "disappear" into the Dharma dimension, we have days and nights just like the earth one. But we can't travel more than 42 kilometers outside the machine's effective range.

The plan is to develop a way to genetically engineer animals with the right quantum frequency so they can exist in Dharma on their own. That's what the project is all about, and until now it's been classified.

The fictional tv series "Lost" is part of the worldwide disclosure plan.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
As Truff mentioned, it looks like you can like to a netmeeting. I am at work and can't participate. Any takers?

[NowhereIsMyHome]

Dude, the real mystery website is www.thedharmainitiative.info. Its way more professional and a lot harder to hack than just highlighting invisible text. Let me know if any of you can figure out the user name.......

[Magical Trevor]

Im shocked I got to the user id bit, I knew the first bit of the IP section, and just got the rest purely at random first try, just so you know, the ID isnt
4 8 15 16 23 42
108
Ethan
Dr Marvin Campbell
Desmond

I dont know if its case sensitive either (I tried Desmond and desmond).

[d10sfan]

The invalid ip thing is just a flash animation. There isnt anything that will show up if you have the correct ip or whatever.

[GimongousLostFan]

Disclosure: The Dharma Initiative is not a secret international research project. You see, the island is part of another "dimension", I guess you'd call it, and is sort of "in between" the universes that are made of light matter and dark matter. We call it "Dharma". It's part of a whole planet that is pretty much available for colonization. It could also be used as a future conduit for inter-dimensional/intergalactic travel. The only problem is that we can't exist there naturally. The island only materializes when there's a solar eclipse. During that time the unique electromagnetic frequency added to the gravitational distortion allows both it and us to exist within the same space. But that "effect only lasts for 108 minutes, and then the island disappears from our world, taking any inanimate matter with it that's left behind.

If you were standing on the island after the primary eclipse period ended and the 108 minutes were up, you'd feel a great big suck of air and then "PLOP!" you'd fall right back into the ocean. Naked.

OK this was on the new dharma site.....hidden, but there. WTF?

[GimongousLostFan]

ok ok i missed the part at the bottom. now it's even weirder......i am so LOST.

[texalaska]

GimongousLostFan (http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/member.php?u=131) vbmenu_register("postmenu_200929", true); - the disclosure quote is coming from the http://www.dharmainitiative.com/ site ... use CTL+A to select the entire screen - the text is that infamous inviso-text...

[truffula]

Thanks for the link Tex, but I think the problem lies within my browser, not the site, as I keep getting a blank window, while everyone else gets the thing with the x's. As long as yal are on this too, I'll see whatever pops up eventually.
SzmLostfan - I'm on it. (damn, that second one is like a really hard vision test)
Check back in a little for my findings.

Peace,
Truff

(was it me or did we go down for an hour or so?)

[szm_lostfan]

(was it me or did we go down for an hour or so?)

I KNOW!!! I use Direcway (satellite internet) and we are in a thunderstorm here in Ann Arbor- this usually means we have degraded service until the storm passes. I thought it was just me!

[p0s3r]

Dude, the real mystery website is www.thedharmainitiative.info. Its way more professional and a lot harder to hack than just highlighting invisible text. Let me know if any of you can figure out the user name.......

Why would ABC/Disney want you to "hack" sites... ? All the stuff on the official sites is easy to find because it was put there to be found. The who made this is site is probably laugning is ass of beacuse of all the computer illiterate people (you guys) trying to "hack" or "crack" the site that has no info on it at all. Or even if there was it would be made up by some guy.

[Shaper]

Dude, the real mystery website is www.thedharmainitiative.info. Its way more professional and a lot harder to hack than just highlighting invisible text. Let me know if any of you can figure out the user name.......

Nope. It's just a prank site set up to get people going - it's already been debunked comprehensively.

And (at least initially) there was no way to get past the "IP check" anyway - it was just an exciting-looking animation that never actually did anything. People decompiled the source and inspected the code line by line, and there was nothing there.

A forum post I read recently seems to suggest it might have changed a bit since then, but it's still non-official, and only set up to get people going.

[RyanG]

Unless I'm missing something, no one has found a way into the Dharma Industries logon?

I've gotten past the IP check/Access Denied. ;)

Check out my blog for the details of what I found; if you can't figure it out, I'll post how I did it later tonight!

Have fun!

http://barethinking.blogspot.com/

[Clementine Kruczynski]

:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:
The suspence is killing me!

[JohnLocke]

Uhhhh, everyone has gotten past that screen mate...

Afterwards, you have to input the numbers then it asks you for a member id...nobody has got past there.

[RyanG]

:o

I knew it was too easy.

You can get back to the ACCESS GRANTED/CLICK TO ENTER quickly by just playing with the Play, Forward and Rewind options when you right click on the initial symbol/logon.

There does seem to be a badge that is worn by the scientist in the orientation film; I'm trying to see if I can make out what it is to get a member ID.

Thanks.

[Texas Red]

Good Luck :compwoes:

[krazycp]

My friend has actually gained partial access to this website and I was there to see him do it. Here's how he did it:

After clicking "enter" he put his mouse pointer over the first numbers in the IP Address under the Dharma logo and began clicking his mouse very fast. Once the first number set displayed a green background he moved his mouse to the right and began clicking on the second number set, promptly displaying the green background, and then continued on to the next number. For clarification, these are the numbers that make up the IP Address on the screen and each "set" I am referring to are separated by periods. It usually takes him several tries to do this. There are four number "sets" that will turn green.

Once inside the site, a screen opens similar to the computer screen inside the hatch. Simply put in the numbers (4 8 15 16 23 42) and hit enter. Make sure you space between the numbers.

This then brings up a login screen requiring a Member ID. This is as far as we could get. We tried things like Kelvin and Hanso but got nothing. After 3 tries we were locked out. Time for someone else to try, but please post here so I know what to do next. Has anyone got a screen cap of someone from Dharma or Hanso with a name badge showing a Member ID??

[Shaper]

My friend has actually gained partial access to this website and I was there to see him do it. Here's how he did it:

Nice try Troll, but it's well-known as a fake.

The intro .SWF file's been decompiled, and there's no way to get past it. thedharmainitiative.info is also a pathetic frames-wrapper around content that actually resides on kraftkost.se (another non-official site).

In addition I (and others) investigated the DNS records, and they point to a non-ABC/Disney registrant. The site also lacks the standard ABC/Disney "Terms & Conditions" link that every official site seems obligated to have on its front page.

Any newbies that fall for such a stupid trick will be speedily corrected by long-time board members, so kindly take your trolling elsewhere, please.

[krazycp]

Hey, I'm not a troll and I take serious offense to that. This may have been my first post because my profile from EZ boards was deleted. I've been coming to these boards since Lost-TV started.

Look, all I'm asking is for you people to try what I am saying. I just did it again and it took five tries to get past the first screen. I swear on everything that I hold dear to me that this works. And even if this site isn't owned by ABC, it still is fun to mess around with.

Just go to it, and start at the far left on the IP Address and rapidly click it. When it turns green, click it again, and then the second set of numbers starts to flash green. Click those numbers, and repeat with the last two.

At least give me the benefit of the doubt. All I'm asking for is you people to try it. And when it works (and it will) then you can apologize for being so rude to a mega-fan of LOST like me.

Sincerely,

Corey

[killbuckner]

Shaper- the guy has updated his website so there is more functionality now. It came up as the "correct" ip address this time for me without clicking at all. And if you do put the correct number sequence in then it asks you for a username. Really bad form to accuse him of being a troll when he was right.

[truffula]

Didn't see a thread for this site www.dharmainitiative.com (http://www.dharmainitiative.com), but since yal are talkin "fake" Dharma sites, I figured this would be the place to post this.
I made an interesting discovery about this particular Dharma site. (www.dharmainitiative.com (http://www.dharmainitiative.com))
We have confirmed that it's not an "official" site. But when I did a "WhoIs" search of this site, it came up registered to Bryan Burk (Exectutive Producer of LOST) in LA. Yes, I acknowledge that there are probably lots of guys named Bryan Burk, and this could be one of them. But wouldn't it be neat if this was one of the "unofficial" official sites that Damon was talkin about in an earlier interview?
Concerning this particular site, I've tried almost everything I've found in the webmaze to get in, but we hit a wall again when asked for a "Member ID". I get the feeling that when whoever is running the sites wants us to get any further, we will.

Break is over, gotta get back to work.
Peace,
Truff

[krazycp]

Hey, thanks for sticking up for me!

And, I just went back to the site, and it loaded for me on the first try without clicking on it! But this was the first time to do so. Maybe it works randomly. Who knows?

So I'm thinking we need a screen cap of Marvin Candle's name badge to see if he has a member ID?

Anyway, one step closer. Let's crack this one!

[Hurley4Prez]

Nice try Troll, but it's well-known as a fake.

The intro .SWF file's been decompiled, and there's no way to get past it. thedharmainitiative.info is also a pathetic frames-wrapper around content that actually resides on kraftkost.se (another non-official site).

In addition I (and others) investigated the DNS records, and they point to a non-ABC/Disney registrant. The site also lacks the standard ABC/Disney "Terms & Conditions" link that every official site seems obligated to have on its front page.

Any newbies that fall for such a stupid trick will be speedily corrected by long-time board members, so kindly take your trolling elsewhere, please.
Shaper, you're coming off as a big douchebag. It's pretty dick to call someone a troll just because they want to discuss something you don't find worthy. He was only trying to help.

[truffula]

This could be old news. But if not, enjoy:

http://www.kraftkost.com/pages/1/index.htm

Someone over at Fuselage noted this, didn't know if it was new or not.
Disregard if it's been discussed.

Peace,
Truff

[damritelost]

Didn't see a thread for this site www.dharmainitiative.com (http://www.dharmainitiative.com), but since yal are talkin "fake" Dharma sites, I figured this would be the place to post this.
I made an interesting discovery about this particular Dharma site. (www.dharmainitiative.com (http://www.dharmainitiative.com))
We have confirmed that it's not an "official" site. But when I did a "WhoIs" search of this site, it came up registered to Bryan Burk (Exectutive Producer of LOST) in LA. Yes, I acknowledge that there are probably lots of guys named Bryan Burk, and this could be one of them. But wouldn't it be neat if this was one of the "unofficial" official sites that Damon was talkin about in an earlier interview?
Concerning this particular site, I've tried almost everything I've found in the webmaze to get in, but we hit a wall again when asked for a "Member ID". I get the feeling that when whoever is running the sites wants us to get any further, we will.

Break is over, gotta get back to work.
Peace,
Truff
I think I've read most or all of the theads about this site and don't remember reading about any one trying the numbers in the hidden text on the page; ie phase 3 Disclosure...., 108 minutes...., 42 kilometers...etc. I have tryed some combos and some math and have come up with nothing.
If this has been posted before, I'm sorry to have wasted everybodys time.

[yung23]

has anyone installed the netmeeting plug-in found when you click the DI or logo yet ?
@ http://www.dharmainitiative.com/

I need a mic. first...
I just hope its not a worm or trojan horse..

ps, I also got to the member login part at the other dharma site..
http://www.thedharmainitiative.info/

I hit rewind and the numbers ALL came up green.
then I got the computer screen and typed in the numbers ...
but we need a dharma badge ID...




this ones coming soon..

http://www.thedharmainitiative.com/


and just so I know where I can go to get all the "fake" sites...(my own post)

http://thedharmainitiative.org/

real, official one here...
http://www.thehansofoundation.org/activeproject.html

[see you in the next life]

Yeah, afraid to try since it could be a worm or something.

[alwaysbeenlost]

the food label site is COOL.


what site is this?

[davidc661]

try right clicking after acces denied box has gone, hit rewind, wait 60 seconds or so.
You may have to do this a few times.

[davidc661]

Quote below

@ http://www.dharmainitiative.com/

From site:

"Phase 3 Disclosure: The Dharma Initiative is not a secret international research project. You see, the island is part of another "dimension", I guess you'd call it, and is sort of "in between" the universes that are made of light matter and dark matter. We call it "Dharma". It's part of a whole planet that is pretty much available for colonization. It could also be used as a future conduit for inter-dimensional/intergalactic travel. The only problem is that we can't exist there naturally. The island only materializes when there's a solar eclipse. During that time the unique electromagnetic frequency added to the gravitational distortion allows both it and us to exist within the same space. But that "effect only lasts for 108 minutes, and then the island disappears from our world, taking any inanimate matter with it that's left behind.
If you were standing on the island after the primary eclipse period ended and the 108 minutes were up, you'd feel a great big suck of air and then "PLOP!" you'd fall right back into the ocean. Naked.<p>We are trying to change that. Actually, Majestic 13 developed a machine years ago that allows us to exist there. It's weird, but once us and the island "disappear" into the Dharma dimension, we have days and nights just like the earth one. But we can't travel more than 42 kilometers outside the machine's effective range.
The plan is to develop a way to genetically engineer animals with the right quantum frequency so they can exist in Dharma on their own. That's what the project is all about, and until now it's been classified.
The fictional tv series "Lost" is part of the worldwide disclosure plan."

[yung23]

hey david, why'd you post that ?

we have all read it by now..

and I assumed I would get more info If I did download the netmeeting thing..

but thanks for reposting my links. I was looking for them..

BTW bekka, should we maybe merge these fake site threads ?

i know how much you love merging threads...

[yung23]

bump.. maybe merging would make them too hard to follow.. there is tonnes of info already..

damn, now we have three..

[Hurley4Prez]

Y23, are you as confused as I am? Either way, who's connected via NetMeeting?

[Jungle_Jim]

I'm still speculating over whether three sites on the internet tied to dharma industries are real or not. They are:
www.dharmaindustries.com
http://www.thedharmainitiative.info
http://www.kraftkost.se/
All three of these link to the I.P. problem that's been discussed and is possible to get into.
Just thought we should put together a list of Lost websites and whether they are real or not.
Heard rumours of a Dr. Marvin Candle website but I can't seem to find it.

[ILoveEko]

Heard rumours of a Dr. Marvin Candle website but I can't seem to find it.
www.marvincandle.com (http://www.marvincandle.com)

ETA: If you click on 108 on that site, the page will reload, and then a bunch of numbers, commas, colons, etc. turn into links. Also, if you highlight the whole page, there is Norwegian (I think) text on the bottom.

In the oceanic/KCSP thread, it's been/being discussed, lol.

[drabauer]

If you keep going recursively,
www.marvincandle.com "resolves" to different index pages.

www.marvincandle.com is simple a frame for
http://195.3566308/q%75%61%63%6b%6d%63%64%75%63%6b/abc/

which includes the backward message and assorted numbers, along with several image files. When you follow these image file urls recursively you get

http://195.3566308/q%75%61%63%6b%6d%63%64%75%63%6b/abc/y/

or the phrase THEY WILL BE BACK!!

and

http://195.3566308/q%75%61%63%6b%6d%63%64%75%63%6b/

the word DEATH

A secondary folder brings up a modified page

http://195.3566308/quackmcduck/abc/lost/

" The ownership of marvincandle.com was handed over to me recently in an effort to advance field work further in psychology, parapsychology, zoology, meteorology and electromagnetism. I will continue to run it as intended. . . [message backward, numbers . . . something in Korean]"

The code to this page includes a "time-release" animated gif that juxtaposes "Boone/Locke/spell . . " and other relevant words and numbers.

http://195.3566308/q%75%61%63%6b%6d%63%64%75%63%6b/abc/y/namaste.gif

Now there are over a dozen links hidden in this source file. I will discuss just a few, and list them all at the end for others to explore.

1) the arrow.jpg looks like part of an equation
2) the speedymagneticdireness.bmp just looks like a jolly roger inverse
3) the tlaw.mp3 sounds like some kind of magnetic fluctuation (could be anything, really)
4) The locke link is to the second part of The Second Treatise of Civil Government: Human Nature and God's Purposes
5) 108.jpg looks like runes, or stick representations of a word
6) dHaRmA.mp3 is morse code beeps (IMO)
7) pam.jpg looks like part of Norway
8) alam.jpg (I could not find this word in the OED) looks like a rosary type of rope
9)cryonets is a links resource
10) x2/onekra.jpg seems to map morse code to runes/symbols (?)
11) x/onekra.jpg is another version of the fuzzy jolly roger
12) link to oersted satellite description
13) Narvik - the town/fjord
14) Monddes.jpg - looks like the teddy bear (?)
15) swamji is interesting: "On a mala, or set of mantra counting beads, there are generally 108 beads" (I believe this is the alam pic as well)
16) esrange.com is the Swedish Space Agency (who knew there was a Swedish Space Agency? thinking of this week's South Park lol)

lastly, 17) futurescience is a list of links to techniques on prolonging life.

Now, the bad news: the IP resolves to the homepage for a swedish broadband portal, so I suspect that the Marvin site is run by the same swedish punk who did dharmaindustries.com and has no affiliation. Then again, all of us who "subscribed" received spoilers in our email, so whoever did this has access to the show before it airs.
--------

http://www.google-analytics.com/urchin.js
http://195.3566308/q%75%61%63%6b%6d%63%64%75%63%6b/abc/y/black.jpg
http://195.3566308/q%75%61%63%6b%6d%63%64%75%63%6b/abc/y/108.gif

http://195.3566308/q%75%61%63%6b%6d%63%64%75%63%6b/abc/lost

http://195.3566308/q%75%61%63%6b%6d%63%64%75%63%6b/abc/x2/arrows.jpg

http://195.3566308/q%75%61%63%6b%6d%63%64%75%63%6b/abc/x/speedymagneticdireness.bmp

http://195.3566308/q%75%61%63%6b%6d%63%64%75%63%6b/abc/z/tlaw.mp3

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/locke/#3.2

http://195.3566308/q%75%61%63%6b%6d%63%64%75%63%6b/abc/x2/108.jpg

http://www.oceanicflight815.com/

http://195.3566308/q%75%61%63%6b%6d%63%64%75%63%6b/abc/z/dHaRmA.mp3

http://195.3566308/q%75%61%63%6b%6d%63%64%75%63%6b/abc/x2/pam.jpg

http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/

http://195.3566308/q%75%61%63%6b%6d%63%64%75%63%6b/abc/x2/alam.jpg

http://www.cryonet.org/

http://195.3566308/q%75%61%63%6b%6d%63%64%75%63%6b/abc/x2/onekra.jpg

http://195.3566308/q%75%61%63%6b%6d%63%64%75%63%6b/abc/x/onekra.jpg

http://www.fly-oceanic.com/seatingchart.htm

http://web.dmi.dk/fsweb/projects/oersted/mission/objectives.html

http://www.destinationnarvik.com/bildearkiv_nyhet/Narvikb031.jpg

http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/cryopreservation

http://abc.go.com/fsp/index.html?channel=Lost

http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/podcasts.html

http://195.3566308/q%75%61%63%6b%6d%63%64%75%63%6b/abc/x2/monddes.jpg

http://www.esrange.com/default.asp?groupid=2004518134827211

http://swamij.com/108.htm

http://www.futurescience.com/contents.html

http://www.thehansofoundation.org/lep.html

http://keithlynch.net/les/

http://195.3566308/q%75%61%63%6b%6d%63%64%75%63%6b/abc/x2/4815162342.jpg

http://www.answers.com/topic/stanford-prison-experiment

http://195.3566308/q%75%61%63%6b%6d%63%64%75%63%6b/abc/x2/agamess.jpg

http://195.3566308/q%75%61%63%6b%6d%63%64%75%63%6b/abc/z/distresssignal.mid

http://www.alcor.org/sciencefaq.htm

http://195.3566308/q%75%61%63%6b%6d%63%64%75%63%6b/abc/x2/edud.jpg

http://www.dr.dk/Videnskab/Harddisken/Programmer/2004/03/nedfrysning.htm


http://nobelprize.org/physics/laureates/1970/alfven-bio.html

http://195.3566308/q%75%61%63%6b%6d%63%64%75%63%6b/abc/bscyltooiendjaeitaecynsoceaaakiewjnomairyllrwhlhre uacrnnheesanicaluhkslk.html

http://www.lotto.ie/

http://195.3566308/q%75%61%63%6b%6d%63%64%75%63%6b/abc/z/it.mid

http://481.51.623.42/


http://195.3566308/q%75%61%63%6b%6d%63%64%75%63%6b/abc/y/namaste.gif


I ECT ON REC U O T L bad loss
UREL C ND T E SI B IT bad loss

Vi kan selv ændre odds for at få et længere liv. ;Ana od ti od ti

miyya iteration thamanya iteration egry iteration besoraa iteration ma'assalama

[truffula]

Dr. A - once again - YOU ROCK!!!
There is more.
This is one is from the secondary folder that brings up the modified page. If you click on the 108, you get this (no clue what language, it looks like English, but it's not a word):
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/7464/1080qf.jpg
Still digging. This is so much fun, I'm never gonna get to rewatch last night!!
ETA - can you post more of those links?
ETTA - whoah I found em. COOL.....

Peace,
Truff

[drabauer]

Truf - I translated some of the Danish article linked at nedfrysning.htm; the headline reads roughly "Freezing of bodies, dreaming about eternal life." There is a Stanford prison experiment link which I believe we've talked about on this site (was it Neill, yung, jays, scrutinizer - somebody linked it!)

Agamess.jpg is a fuzzed-up sentence (you should have fun - just hit sharpen on photoshop); looks like "Can't think of a (word? etc,)"

4815162342.jpg is what looks like a heat-satellite photo of the South Pacific with Australia in the middle.

keithlynch.net/les/ is the homepage of the "Life Extension Society"

the alcor site is an FAQ on cryonics

The edud.jpg looks like another heat photo, but completely indecipherable!

The link which looks like the numbers as an IP address of course, goes nowhere

[yung23]

what does the morse code mp3 file say ?
anyone here know morse code from sound ?

[Ioncewaslostbutnowamfound]

I tried the net meeting because I have a webcam.

I got a windwow that popped up and said

"alvarhanso wants to join..."

then Netmeeting said

Netmeeting could not find the name of the person you are trying to call on the directory server. Check to make sure the address is correct, or change the address type in the Using box.

could it be the IP address from the original dharma site?

[Ioncewaslostbutnowamfound]

so when you click on the DI at the top, a callto://alvarhanso/ link appears at the bottom in the form of 4.1.2.2.5.3.0.8.1.0 I tried inputing this in the call number on the netmeeting but got the same result.
I then went to a reverse phone lookup of the numbers, because it fit the 11 digit format.

"The phone number "(412) 253-0810" is a Pittsburg, PA based phone number and the registered carrier is Paetec Communications, Inc. - Pa. However, due to number portability, some numbers have been transferred to a new service provider other than the registered carrier."

still trying to figure some of it out

[ILoveEko]

Good luck, lol. Keep us posted.

[miharu]

This is one is from the secondary folder that brings up the modified page. If you click on the 108, you get this (no clue what language, it looks like English, but it's not a word):
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/7464/1080qf.jpg

That looks like runes (http://www.sunnyway.com/runes/meanings.html) to me. Edit: Okay, so they are except for the last symbol.

[ILoveEko]

Oh, yung, a few pages back on the OAW/KCSP one, I think it was taste and Kinmar who posted about the morse.

[ILoveEko]

Ok, going with the idea that the letters are runes. This is in order of the 'letters' in the pic.

http://www.sunnyway.com/runes/nauthiz.gifNauthiz: (N: Need.) Delays, restriction. Resistance leading to strength, innovation, need-fire (self-reliance). Distress, confusion, conflict, and the power of will to overcome them. Endurance, survival, determination. A time to exercise patience. Recognition of one's fate. Major self-initiated change. Face your fears. Nauthiz Reversed or Merkstave: Constraint of freedom, distress, toil, drudgery, laxity. Necessity, extremity, want, deprivation, starvation, need, poverty, emotional hunger.

http://www.sunnyway.com/runes/ansuz.gifAnsuz: (A: The As, ancestral god, i.e. Odin.) A revealing message or insight, communication. Signals, inspiration, enthusiasm, speech, true vision, power of words and naming. Blessings, the taking of advice. Good health, harmony, truth, wisdom. Ansuz Reversed or Merkstave: Misunderstanding, delusion, manipulation by others, boredom. Vanity and grandiloquence. (Odin is a mighty, but duplicitous god. He always has his own agenda.)

http://www.sunnyway.com/runes/raidho.gifRaidho: (R: Wagon or chariot.) Travel, both in physical terms and those of lifestyle direction. A journey, vacation, relocation, evolution, change of place or setting. Seeing a larger perspective. Seeing the right move for you to make and deciding upon it. Personal rhythm, world rhythm, dance of life. Raidho Reversed or Merkstave: Crisis, rigidity, stasis, injustice, irrationality. Disruption, dislocation, demotion, delusion, possibly a death.

http://www.sunnyway.com/runes/uruz.gifUruz: (U: Auroch, a wild ox.) Physical strength and speed, untamed potential. A time of great energy and health. Freedom, energy, action, courage, strength, tenacity, understanding, wisdom. Sudden or unexpected changes (usually for the better). Sexual desire, masculine potency. The shaping of power and pattern, formulation of the self. Uruz Reversed or Merkstave: Weakness, obsession, misdirected force, domination by others. Sickness, inconsistency, ignorance. Lust, brutality, rashness, callousness, violence.
http://www.sunnyway.com/runes/isa.gifIsa: (I: Ice.) A challenge or frustration. Psychological blocks to thought or activity, including grievances. Standstill, or a time to turn inward and wait for what is to come, or to seek clarity. This rune reinforces runes around it. Isa Merkstave (Isa cannot be reversed, but may lie in opposition): Ego-mania, dullness, blindness, dissipation. Treachery, illusion, deceit, betrayal, guile, stealth, ambush, plots.


And like mirahu pointed out, the last one isn't there.

[truffula]

I'm sorry, but that's too close to not be right. They had to have screwed up the last symbol. Is it at all close to any other character?
ETA - Have yal seen all the other links? you wanna see all the neat little pics without having to dig thru the source code?
Peace,
Truff

[Ioncewaslostbutnowamfound]

<!-- Begin
w=16777216
x=65536
y=256
function ip_to_decimal(form) {
a=eval(form.a.value)
b=eval(form.b.value)
c=eval(form.c.value)
d=eval(form.d.value)
e=a*w+b*x+c*y+d
form.deci.value=e
}
function decimal_to_ip(form) {
w=16777216
x=65536
y=256
e=eval(form.deci.value)
a=e/w = 0
z=e-(a-(e%w/w))*w = 1099180277.76
b=z/x = 16772.16
q=z-(b-(z%x/x))*x = 1099180277.76 - (16772.16-(10991802.7776))*65536 = 720358786832.7936
c=q/y = 720358786832.7936/256 = 2813901511.0656
d=q-(c-(q%y/y))*y = 720358786832.7936 - (0-(7203587868.327936))*256 = 2564477281124.745216
form.a.value=a = 0
form.b.value=b = 16772.16
form.c.value=c = 2813901511.0656
form.d.value=d = 2564477281124.745216
e = 0 + 1099180277.76 + 720358786832.7936 + 2564477281124.745216 = 3285935248235.298816


That's what I was trying
I'll keep messing around with it. It's a bunch of variables and algebra.

[truffula]

Since discussions on marvincandle.com are elsewhere now, I thought I'd bring this sucker back to life as I wait for the next update in the webmaze.
Two things that have got me goin on this site:
1 - it's registered to Bryan Burk (who may or may not be the Executive Producer of LOST)
2 - The Button Combo pushing on Hanso site to see the threatening letter to Hanso from GHO is very similar to what I think needs to be done here.

It's a formula, and we have the answer, we just don't know it yet.
Now, you have to go to : https://s.hostingprod.com/@www.oida.org/ssl/dharma/index.html
to see what I'm talking about (it's a mirror site), but in the source code, BESIDES the silly message about Dharma, is this code:

<input type="button" value="entrance" onClick="~Hanso's Law~(this.form)">
<input type="button" value="UnLocke" onClick="Unlocke(this.form)">
<input type="button" name="unlocke" value="108.00" OnClick="form.a.value=''
form.b.value=''
form.c.value=''
form.d.value=''
form.deci.value=''">

Can anyone understand that and tell me what it says?
I don't see anything about "Hanso's Law" anywhere on the page,
so that's what got me thinkin. Remember, the only thing I know how to do
with source code is extract urls.
Thanks in advance to any who can help.

ETA - mods can we change the thread name to the proper site, www.dharmainitiative.com? (http://www.dharmainitiative.com?)
since the other site is discussed in the www.dharmainitiative.info thread.

Peace,
Truff

[Lab]

yeah, i gave up on the bss1, i get a little connectiong to server window pop up, then goes away, and nothing else....i cant figure that one out.............on on thedharmaainitiative.com site, i cant get it to work, net meeting keeps giving me an error message about not being able to find alvarhanso on the directory server or something like that, im just reading you guys posts over there and getting what i can from what you all are posting. Again.........Welcome back everybody...........I was twitching from withdrawals!:)

[dreck1177]

ok i have been looking at these forums since midway thru season one, and just now did something and i need to discuss it with u smart losties so i registered! ok im sure everyone has been to the dharma industries website, where its the swan logo? well i googled it and there were several different links to mostly the same site..although there are two different versions, both are white with the dharma swan logo, but one says LOGIN under it, which brings a pop up with a login field (username, pass.) and theres another one which says ENTER....now the one that says enter, some numbers are flashing on the screen in grey then it will turn red and say INVALID...and nothing happens..BUT i clicked a different link that goes to the exact same thing, clicked enter, the numbers turned GREEN instead of red and it logged in!!! i dunno if anyone has done this yet, then a small screen similiar to the hatches computer comes up with some validation stuff, and u can type, i tried typing Hello? and nothing, so i typed in the numbers (4 8 15 16 23 42) and it advanced into a member name/ password screen!! i really felt like i was on to something, so i tried alvan or wahtever hanso, gerald degroot, marvin candle....none of them worked...HAS ANYONE ELSE BEEN ABLE TO GET THE NUMBERS TURN GREEN NOT RED AND GET INTO THIS NEXT PART OF THE SITE? OR EVEN GOTTEN PAST THE NAME/PASSWORD PART???? I THINK THIS IS REALLY INTERESTING srry guys this might ahve been confusing if u havent been to the site but im assuming most of you have!

DENNY

[LostInWilderness]

Glad you came out of lurkerdom dreck1177. Please read the welcome forum and look around. I'm surprised you weren't aware of this existing thread.

I did a boolean search on
dharma NEAR industries NEAR web*
can came up with it. I encourage you to use the search function to help you find what's already being discussed.

[dreck1177]

hey guys me again....now that i know its in this forum i read all the previous things...and in response to whoever got all pissy about people being interested in the sites even tho theyre probably fakes..who care! they are interesting!!! im jsut curious if anyone has gotten any further into them...like the others i have gotten the green letters instead of the red and entered in the numbers...but any thing on member id or password yet??????

[raiderfan43]

Dont think this has been mentioned yet, didnt see it anyway. At the Dharma Initiative website, the one with the red/black swan logo and 'DI' at the top, with the numbered spaces at the bottom where you can type in whatever code it may be, if yu click in the blank area (right click) like you want to prit the page, and click the select all button, a message comes up about "phase 3 disclosure" very interesting reading!!!!

[Lab]

raider, i dont think i saw that, im at work and cant pull it up, think you could do a cut and paste?

[ILoveEko]

Here, lab.

Phase 3 Disclosure: The Dharma Initiative is not a secret international research project. You see, the island is part of another "dimension", I guess you'd call it, and is sort of "in between" the universes that are made of light matter and dark matter. We call it "Dharma". It's part of a whole planet that is pretty much available for colonization. It could also be used as a future conduit for inter-dimensional/intergalactic travel. The only problem is that we can't exist there naturally. The island only materializes when there's a solar eclipse. During that time the unique electromagnetic frequency added to the gravitational distortion allows both it and us to exist within the same space. But that "effect only lasts for 108 minutes, and then the island disappears from our world, taking any inanimate matter with it that's left behind.

If you were standing on the island after the primary eclipse period ended and the 108 minutes were up, you'd feel a great big suck of air and then "PLOP!" you'd fall right back into the ocean. Naked.

We are trying to change that. Actually, Majestic 13 developed a machine years ago that allows us to exist there. It's weird, but once us and the island "disappear" into the Dharma dimension, we have days and nights just like the earth one. But we can't travel more than 42 kilometers outside the machine's effective range.

The plan is to develop a way to genetically engineer animals with the right quantum frequency so they can exist in Dharma on their own. That's what the project is all about, and until now it's been classified.

The fictional tv series "Lost" is part of the worldwide disclosure plan.

[ILoveEko]

Truff, I was thinking...
You know that thing on the one Dharma site that appears to be an equation?
Could it be that we are supposed to figure out which + - / x we're supposed to use in order to equal 108 at the end?
Just a thought... I'm not math-y but I'm trying stuff on the calculator :p

[raiderfan43]

Thanks Eko, saved me the work!!!

[Lab]

thanks ile and raider, i didnt see that before.....thanks!

[kiwipat]

Phase 3 Disclosure: The Dharma Initiative is not a secret international research project. You see, the island is part of another "dimension".....

I thought I'd seen this somewhere! It seems to come from the musings of one Kentaro Washio in the ABC forum. The text of which has been posted by Lacenaire on the T&S board:

http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7634&page=7

Does this add anything to the discussion here? or make things more confusing??

[truffula]

I'm noticing new threads for the Dharma sites pop up every day here.
I wish everyone knew about the Webmaze Map. It would make life alot easier for some. There is info on ALL the sites in the webmaze so far in there, and I believe it to be an excellent resource when trying to navigate the maze.
So once again - see Post #120 in here.
I know my efforts are futile, and new people will still ask about the password, but I have to try.

ETA - I just updated the Map with the invisotext from dharmainitiative.com since I seem to have forgotten that one in the original.

Peace,
Truff

[truffula]

I didn't even realize there was still a thread for this, and for some reason it's in T&S, but....
With all the stuff happenin in the webmaze, I thought I'd give another crack at figuring this one out. Don't care if it's a fansite or not; but just so you know, WhoIs turns up this site as registered to Bryan Burk (executive producer of LOST). Might be him, might not. Who knows.
I noticed the numbers at the bottom might be a phone number -
(412) 253-0810. This is in Pennsylvania between Allegheny and Pittsburgh.
I don't have long distance, so anyone wanna see who's at the other end?

Also, I am convinced that just like how you had to type in "copenhagen" and click the two buttons in the right order to see the letter; this site is the same thing, just no one has been able to crack it yet.
The ridiculous invisotext ruined alot of chance of that. But I'm still curious as to whats on the other side (if anything).
The callto alvarhanso is a trick. It does nothing.

I feel this thread belongs in the GD section with all the other webmaze threads. I had been posting about this in one of the other Dharma site threads, but I saw this as an opportunity to get the right discussion in the correct thread.

I'll let yal know if I figure anything else out, and if anyone calls the (412) number let us know what you find out.
Thanks.

Peace,
Truff

[BubbleBoy13]

hu cares wut u think? hahaha only a nerd would put that a thread belongs here or there
hu gives?
no1!!

[Name's ASH... Housewares]

phone number - (412) 253-0810

Hey Truff,

The phone is the cell phone of a guy named Dave Aimes/Hymes. He didn't pick up when I called. Gotta love using the companies long distance!

By the way Bubble Boy don't be a tool and harsh on peoples post. Especially when it totally advertises your lack of organized information. Ever been to a library? Enjoy the site for what it is and have fun.

I think Bekka or one of the other MODS could move this to one of the Webmaze post, that way it will help new members find all the info. in one spot.

"Don't be a Richard Cranium"

[LostInWilderness]

Moving to GD.

[truffula]

Thanks for the move LIW.
Thanks for the help ASH,
and BubbleBoy....I AM A NERD. :glasses: And I'm cool with that. :D
But I play a MEAN guitar - www.whatismatter.com (http://www.whatismatter.com)

So it's all "good"

Peace,
Truff

[ILoveEko]

LOL @ Truff.

[Name's ASH... Housewares]

Search all the sites on this site and you will find them Dreck. Go to BSS!, Agents Gold Memebers, and a couple of others and you will be fine.

[raiderfan43]

Just looked at the band pic Truff!!! you are my hero!!! Kept waiting for Keith Carradine to pop up as Louis Skolnik!!! (y'know, revenge o the Nerds?) Id post a pic, but us ugly old fat guys would scare off half our posters!!!!! LMAO

[Dorkfish]

http://www.kingcrossstatepolice.com/

this website might have info on marvin candel, all you have to do to get in is to ansewer the riddle

[ILoveEko]

Jessie, we all know about the site, we have two threads (one open, one closed) dedicated to it.
Thanks though.
The threads are: Re: Agents... and Oceanicworldair.com/kingcrossstate.com

[Tank in Texas]

Hey Truff,

The phone is the cell phone of a guy named Dave Aimes/Hymes. He didn't pick up when I called. Gotta love using the companies long distance!

By the way Bubble Boy don't be a tool and harsh on peoples post. Especially when it totally advertises your lack of organized information. Ever been to a library? Enjoy the site for what it is and have fun.

I think Bekka or one of the other MODS could move this to one of the Webmaze post, that way it will help new members find all the info. in one spot.

"Don't be a Richard Cranium"

I got an anonymous VM system- quote- "please leave a message". I left a numeric page.

[bighead421]

I got an anonymous VM system- quote- "please leave a message". I left a numeric page.

Not surprising Tank, I called the number too! He probably got tons of calls from people who felt like using the company dime to call him(not knowing who would answer of course)!

-Head

[llama gary]

'The phone is the cell phone of a guy named Dave Aimes' the guy from Vanilla Sky!

[truffula]

This Thread is currently discussing www.dharmainitiative.com (http://www.dharmainitiative.com)
Just so yal know what I'm talkin about.

The site has CHANGED. The buttons now say "access" "KD" and "AH" so that would be Karen DeGroot and Alvar Hanso.

Lets try to get in!!

Peace,
Truff

[aggiesean]

Haven't seen this one much, but has it always had this in hidden text:

The Maze. Penny has the answers.

[truffula]

Nice aggiesean!!! rottenralf you too (but you noticed it in the agents thread)!!

Now which one of YOU is "Penny"??
We gotta find her folks, seriously.

Also, remember that this site is the one registered to one Bryan Burk (executive producer of LOST). Just wanted to mention that too....

I know the calltoAlvar doesn't work, but the buttons have changed, and in the source code, you get this link which is a mirror (much like the way marvincandle.com works):

www.oida.org/ssl/dharma/index.html (http://www.oida.org/ssl/dharma/index.html)

And the source code for THIS page, may contain the answer to access.
Right now, it seems like only Alvar or Karen know how to get in.
I'm dying to see what's on the "other" side...

Gonna keep digging, and I'll get back to this eventually.

Peace,
Truff

[aggiesean]

No hidden files in the dharma images on this site.

There appears to be a function setting in the source code...I'm not an HTML person, so I'm not sure where it goes necessarily. There's also references to processes such as "Hanso's Law" and "unLocke".

ETA: Posted by WASTE in the bss1 forum:
Hmm...maybe Walt as legit after all? He mentioned reading Colonel Sun, which is a James Bond novel. I haven't read it before but I have it, and I know Moneypenny is a character...her nickname in the Bond books is simply "Penny". Maybe there's a hint in that book?

And that thing namasteman posted kinda looks like a penny but I'm not all that sure...
Either one of these Pennies might be a clue where to look.

[GerfalconCP]

I'm calling out Namaste as the Penny ... there is something the he found in the BSS1 forum that we aren't looking close enough at ... just my guess

[ILoveEko]

Don't know if this is relavent or not, but on the site, if you type something into the available forms, if you click the first two buttons, whatever you typed stays, but if you click on AH, they clear.

[truffula]

So, ILE....
id=Sleeping Giant Concrete Eyes
This came from the source code from bss1, right?

I INSTANTLY thought of our little 4 space puzzle here. And I'm guessing the answer is Apollo (could be 108 too, or Apollo 108).
But the key is not only filling in the blanks, it's pressing the buttons in the right order. AH will be the last one cause it clears if you don't.

Not sure if this will work (I kinda doubt it cause I'm still leaning on a numeric code). But we get 2 reruns tonight (YAY!!) so it'll be a little while before I can get on this.

Commercials over, back to rerun....
Peace,
Truff

[ILoveEko]

Hey Truff, it's actually in the BSS1 source twice, one with id before it and then this one:
name="sleeping giant concrete eyes"

[truffula]

Also, when i saw the source say "ID" I went to the "other" dharma site to try out the "concrete eyes" phrase, but no dice.
I'm gettin beat here, but I think I'll stick around for a little more tonight. At least it seems pretty quiet now. I might actually get a good nights sleep ;).

Peace,
Truff

[ILoveEko]

I'd agree with your comment on it being slow tonight, but then it will probably get crazy, lol.
Unless you want me to, lmao.

[lorraineshere]

No hidden files in the dharma images on this site.

There appears to be a function setting in the source code...I'm not an HTML person, so I'm not sure where it goes necessarily. There's also references to processes such as "Hanso's Law" and "unLocke".

ETA: Posted by WASTE in the bss1 forum:

Either one of these Pennies might be a clue where to look.

i mentioned this a couple of days go .. cant remember if here or bigspaceship1 thread
colonel sun made some sort of mind weapon from what i can gather i'll go look for what i posted ....brb

[yung23]

i dont beleive you guys are still up, what time is it there?

btw,, ive sent an email to a code maker at MIT..

re : MD5 hex strings to crack the dharmainitiative.org ? site..

fingers crossed he can help

[lorraineshere]

i dont beleive you guys are still up, what time is it there?

uk :)

[nimrod]

hey Yung. Not sure it relates but WASTE thought there was an " = 109" in the penny stegged pic. Hard to see it I think but possible. The login has an " = ?" so just thought I'd mention it.

[truffula]

I mentioned this in the bss1 thread, and I'll say it again here -
Why do I so strongly feel that this site is gonna be the next one that gets cracked?
Is it cause oceanic_lisa informed me of the stego crack 23 days before the end of the hiatus, and Day 16 and 15 aren't too far behind?
The Doc did say crazy stuff was gonna go down on those days, maybe through these clues that we're getting from all over the webmaze will be the answer to getting in.

Another thought I had about this site was that it may be TPTB's Official Webportal where they may interact with each other (between LA and Oahu), and there's no way in hell we're EVER getting in. But that's a stretch, I know.

The fact that there's invisotext that has changed since it went online, says that this site is Definitely part of the Maze though.
So scratch my stupid suggestion about not ever being able to get in.
We'll break this sucker....eventually. :D

Peace,
Truff

[SanityAmongstChaos]

I wouldn't spend too much effort on dharmainitiative.com, at least as it stands now. The buttons do absolutely nothing, as far as I can tell. The first two call javascript routines which don't exist (and therefore they do nothing at all) and the last one just clears the input fields. Until the site is updated, it's just :banghead:.

[truffula]

ILE - "KD", and "AH" (presumably for Karen DeGroot and Alvar Hanso)
I thought of Kate Dodd (one of the names she's gone by, lol).
I mean, if it's Dharma related it makes sense to be Karen, but Locke's name was there before, so it could be Kate.

Very good ILE!!! Always thinkin outside the box.
If there's a remote possibility - ONE of US will find it.

Peace,
Truff

[ILoveEko]

Hopefully one of us will find it, haha.

[truffula]

There is most definitely SOMETHING on the "other" side of this site.
When we get to see it.....who knows.
But I can't help but to be bewildered at the new invisotext.

"The Maze. Penny has the Answers."

Is this a reference to the Webmaze? A phrase that I coined?
If so, I would really like to find this "Penny" individual.....
Wait a minute...what if Penny referred to a US One Cent Coin (the Penny) in some way. Maybe there are answers there?
I know it's a stretch, but it seems the Maze rewards us when we get to a certain point. And what's behind THIS door, I REALLY want to see.

:D

Peace,
Truff

[ILoveEko]

LOL.
Maybe right now it has nothing, and that's why we aren't able to get in yet.

[truffula]

The Clue is there. Now we just have to figure it out....or wait for a MOLE to figure it out for us......(cough cough)....Hodag...... ;)

Peace,
Truff

[ILoveEko]

LOL, who knows :p

Shhhh! Locke's hunting boars! LOL.

[rottenralf]

A penny, the coin, is what I thought of earlier, but couldn't make any cents out of it. Probably the most unique feature of a penny, is that it has Lincoln on both the heads and tails (head and tail of a snake?). If you look at the back, you can see Lincoln right in the center of the building, between the center pillars (sorta imprisoned, like Waaaallt?). Well, my one cents worth.

[ILoveEko]

Yeah, but someone also mentioned there was a user on another forum who told that forum that they should come here and refrence and go over stuff with us... The users name was something like Talpidae, which is a scientific word for a mole. :eek:
And the email for the user had "penny" in it, so whoever it was who mentioned this (I can't friggen remember) thinks this may be our MOLE to help us.

[truffula]

I remember this also ILE....(but where was it?)
I just had a spontaneous idea....going to the bss1 thread for this one...

[ILoveEko]

I keep thinking it's either nimrod, lorraine, or oceanic_lisa, but I cannot remember... I think it's in the Agents thread.

*goes digging*

[damritelost]

"The Maze. Penny has the answers." Has anyone ever heard the expression "comes back like a ROTTEN Penny"?

[truffula]

I haven't damritelost. What does it mean?

[Khisanth]

Do you mean ' a bad penny will always turn up'?

[damritelost]

It's old I think.Heard it from my parents. I'll look it up.

[oceanic_lisa]

I keep thinking it's either nimrod, lorraine, or oceanic_lisa, but I cannot remember... I think it's in the Agents thread.

*goes digging*

It was me... unfortunately the Talpidae guy came out as a hoaxer, too. :( Unless all these hoaxers are really real...

(conspiracy theories are fun!!)

[truffula]

Once again, to clarify, I am referring to www.dharmainitiative.com

Going back to "The Maze. Penny has the answers."
I googled "Penny's Maze" and got this site about internet games. I'm gonna copy over the text but I'm gonna edit it also to show how it applies to the Webmaze:
http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/779/edu/packetville/images/spacer.gif
Penny's Maze


You've probably enjoyed tackling lots of different types of mazes. Maybe you have a book of mazes at home?

Take a look at the many types of mazes and think about creating an Internet maze. Imagine a maze that features a user trying to get from one website to another, just like in the A.I. and Matrix games. Obstacles such as login names, passwords, and steganography might be dead ends in your maze, and Vincent Madison, Alvar Hanso, and KCSP Agents might provide clues that help the user through the maze.
Design your own maze and be sure to include lots of pathways with dead ends and one pathway that goes all the way through from one website to another.
Don't forget to add some drawings or graphics to make your maze more attractive.




That sounds ALOT like the origin of the Webmaze if you ask me.
I don't think that's necessarily the solution to the "Penny" clue, but it is rather interesting stuff nonetheless.


Peace,
Truff

[rottenralf]

Penny has the answers!!


http://dailycal.org/images/art/03.20.smartdust.jpg (http://www.dailycal.org/image.php?id=3385)
A smart dust mote sits on the head of a penny. These nanotechnological bits have been developed with U.S. Department of Defense funds.

[Lab]

Damnit ralf! I bet thats it! I remember seeing that on the links for Smartdust last night and never once thought about "Penny has the answers." That's very nice. Awesome!

[AntStone]

Was wondering if anyone had discovered this on the website http://www.dharmaindustries.com/main.php ????

[AntStone]

The member is that is!!

[sam31269]

All I get is a message that says IP invalid -- access denied. Does anyone get anything different??

[JTB06]

I got to the member Id page but after three failed attemps it locked up on me.

[Sevag]

http://www.dharmaindustries.com/

This site is lame....

[badboy]

I just got access granted for the IP bit, took me to a computer terminal, typed the numbers, went through to a member ID screen, just pressed enter without typing anything, came up with some 0's and 1's on the page with a single lined border and then took me back to the member ID screen and said system locked

[sonofethan]

i smell a scam......it wants £30 for an id!!!:DeadHorse: :DeadHorse: :DeadHorse: :DeadHorse: :DeadHorse: :DeadHorse: :DeadHorse: :DeadHorse: :DeadHorse: :DeadHorse: :DeadHorse: :DeadHorse: :DeadHorse: :DeadHorse: :DeadHorse: :DeadHorse: :DeadHorse: :DeadHorse: :DeadHorse: :DeadHorse:

[moose]

it is a scam - the domain name is owned by a guy in Sweden

if it was an official site it would have far more than a "give me your money for no real explanation" button on it. also note the site has no copyright logos, no mention of, or link to, ABC or Disney etc etc

i guess the guy's seen a cunning money making idea and i bet he'll do well from it - people will assume the site is deliberately vague.

[moose]

oh and really - how the HELL can you encrypt airmail lol

they don't even tell you how to decrypt it. kinda funny (not for anyone dumb enough to pay though)

[keithc1234]

hi guys, this has been discussed allot of times on allot of similiar pages that are around the net, if you search for a thread on it I am sure you will find allot :Headbang:

[Hatchboy]

We need a mod to lock this please.

[badboy]

I just wanted to guess a member ID and put it around the 'net to put a dent in his profits. I hate the kinda people that make these sites. They should be called para-sites or something.

[finkyv]

hello im new but ive been reading on here fo a while, i looked up the dharma site on the whois website and saw an msn address so i added him,
ive jus bin talkin to him but he aint givin nuthin away

Message:

At first i said, why are you charging 30 dolars for ppl to access the site and the convo goes from there

Dharma Industries says:
im not Dharma Industries are
ME:
shouldnt dharma be paying us to work for them
Dharma Industries says:
I dont know. I have never asked them
ME:
have you been assigned by them then
Dharma Industries says:
I have my tasks
Dharma Industries says:
im not allowed to speak about them,..

[sam31269]

sounds to me like someone trying to make money but feeding off of people's curiousity

[finkyv]

he makes it out as if he actually is sent by dharma, i think hes gone mad, i still cant see anyone pay $30 to access a website, im sure theres no other fan websites that want money to access

[sam31269]

Maybe he's gone crazy from working for dharma for too long -- he'd like Desmond -- maybe it IS Desmond

[JesusStick]

Maybe he's gone crazy from working for dharma for too long -- he'd like Desmond -- maybe it IS Desmond

:rotfl: LOL. We've finally found the slippery bastage. He's in another hatch with his laptop pissing around with people and trying to raise funds to furnish his new digs. 30 bucks at a time. Hey...there's enough suckers out there!

[rottenralf]

http://www.onentofl.com/images/bumpasaurus_1_.jpg

[rottenralf]

http://www.onentofl.com/images/d3tkm30_1_.gif

[truffula]

It's time for a MAJOR BUMP for this one.
I'll let ILE break the news, then I'll tell you what happened next.

:D

RAAAAAAAAHHHH!!!!

Peace,
Truff

[ILoveEko]

Thanks for the bump Truffy :D
Alright, so with the update on www.xna4all.com (http://www.xna4all.com) being an equation, it made me think of www.dharmainitiative.com (http://www.dharmainitiative.com)
DM posted a link in Bork, thanks DM, and it's been updated:


Status: Disabled (dad@dharmainitiative.com)
http://www.dharmainitiative.com/images/DHARMA2.gif
>: Message to current participants:
Please note: Due to the popularity of the American television program, "Lost", we have currently disabled the access panel on this site. The UK access site is still enabled. If you are in need of your access information, please contact your mentor or send an e-mail to (dad@dharmainitiative.com)"Dad" (dad@dharmainitiative.com) or (dad@dharmainitiative.com)David (david@dharmainitiative.com).
Thank you,
AH (dad@dharmainitiative.com)
Please note: This site is not affiliated with Dharmaindustries.com.

(dad@dharmainitiative.com)
And now, Truffy will continue :p

[truffula]

I sent emails and got this back as an auto response from both:

Thank you for your inquiry. We will validate your request and contact
you shortly. For immediate assistance, contact your mentor.
Thank you for your participation,
D.A.D. team

AND

Thank you for your inquiry. We will validate your request and contact
you shortly. For immediate assistance, contact your mentor.
Thank you for your participation,
David
That is all.
MORE TO COME!!!
RAAAAAAHHH!!!!!!!

ETA - this thread needs to be renamed appropriately as "www.dharmainitiative.com discussion thread" - Lab if you see this...

Peace,
Truff

[Lab]

Truff, thread has been renamed with preface in first post.

[truffula]

More to add here -
The site now reads this in the header:
D.H.A.R.M.A.3SQ

And the image name is titled "Caduceus Quarantine 3"

More to come.

ETA - once more, lab shows that he is indeed the MAN :)

Peace,
Truff

[Staypuff]

Alvar Hanso has sent out a text message, which read "23?" (thanks from an anonymous source ;)).

http://www.xna4all.com (http://www.xna4all.com) has an update.


And just because I can, I have stolen aggie's solution of x, lol.
x=-297.3062188

Could this number be the key to the www.Dharmainitiative.com (http://www.Dharmainitiative.com) site?

Here's my old posts on OWA: http://globecontact.com/discus/messages/23/104.html?1137792329

The code is no longer present on that website, but when I tried (and failed) to solve the entry problem, I think I recall needing an X value to solve for the rest. The sites may not be connected, so this could be a rambling...

[SanityAmongstChaos]

I'm a bit leery of doing Alvar's math homework for him. He is presumed to be a smart man, so the only reason he couldn't work through this himself is that he is too lazy. I can't let a math problem sit unsolved, though, so here is my stab at it. I'm using three digits of precision because that is how much we are given in the problem. I'm rounding the most precise digit because I like to.

3+6-9/4-6(45)+2=x(8/9.983)-23

3+6-9/4-6*45+2=x*0.801-23
3+6-2.25-270+2=x*0.801-23
-261.25=x*0.801-23
-238.25=x*0.801
297.441=x

I noticed a few things about the problem. There seems to be a theme of 3 going on. Most of the numbers in the problem either contain 3 as a digit or are multiples of three. The two that aren't are 2 and 4, the numbers on either side of three. (There is an 8 as well but I'm ignoring it as it doesn't add to my idea. :D ) Also, why is the number 45 in parentheses? It doesn't need to be solved before the rest of the equation. Perhaps Alvar was just trying to show that it needed to be multiplied and couldn't think of a good sign to show that. The asterisk is pretty universal as a multiply sign, though, so there might be another reason for it.

[trailgoat]

Sanity, I just sat down with my trusty HP calulator, when I say your post :)
I saw the theme of "3's" while looking at the sites. dharmainitiative.com is titled "D.H.A.R.M.A.3SQ" and th3sn0wman.com is titled "mod3: st3alth"

I caught the tail end of this maze when I began lurking in December. I think I am caught up and ready to begin this chapter!

ETA: could x=-297.3062188 be an IP address (except for the -)?
ETA_2: The logo on di.com is titled "caduceus quarantine 3"

[SanityAmongstChaos]

My first instinct was to think of the number as an IP address, probably because it was two 3-digit numbers separated by a decimal. The number we have doesn't work as an IP address, though, because the numbers making up an IP address must be in the range 0-255. I can't figure out any way to split these numbers up to get four numbers that could be pieces of an IP address.

A couple of thoughts on the 3SQ. 3S could be a reference to Season 3 of Lost. I don't know what the Q would mean. I also thought of the third quarter which is often abbreviated 3Q in financial circles, but the S is in the way for that.

Like many of these things, I will probably have to sit back and wait for people who are better connected than me to find some more clues.

[rottenralf]

3SQ=3 Squared?? I have no idea even if that makes math sense.

[bcool1956]

3SQ=3 Squared?? I have no idea even if that makes math sense.
3SQ=3 Squared = 3^2 = 9

[SanityAmongstChaos]

3SQ=3 Squared?? I have no idea even if that makes math sense. You might be on to something. There is a dharma9.com. Strangely enough, it was registered in August 04 and is currently just parked at GoDaddy. The interesting thing is that it was registered to Stephen Roat. I'm sure I've seen that name while investigating some other site. Mr. Roat is from Elkins Park, PA and has an email address at fandrdesigns.com.

ETA: I can't find Stephen Roat referenced in any website I remember investigating recently. I must have been imagining it. It still might be something with DHARMA9 though.

[ILoveEko]

Should you want to discuss or add any thought to www.dharmainitiative.com (http://www.dharmainitiative.com), go to this thread: http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7081&page=21 :D

[Staypuff]

I just want to point out that the last few posts in here regarding the Dharma site should probably be discussed here:
http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7081&page=21
It's the thread for that website :)

A thousand pardons, I have failed everyone. I shall stick my marshmellow self in the microwave as a suitable punishment.

[SanityAmongstChaos]

I just want to point out that the last few posts in here regarding the Dharma site should probably be discussed here:
http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7081&page=21
It's the thread for that website :) I hope you weren't referring to my posts. I hate it when I post in the wrong place. :( I was talking about the updates on xna4all and what the equation could mean. I saw the link you made between that and dharmainitative.com (good catch, btw) but I was thinking along different lines. Is this still the thread for KCSP, Snowman and XNA, or did I miss something?

(edited for clarity)

[trailgoat]

Sorry ILE, I was checking the sites and found info. I searched this thread for dharmainitiative.com and found previous posts, so I thought it would be okay. :(

ETA: Mr. Cluck's "Magic Number" title reminds me of the school house rock song, "3...it's a magic number"! :D

[ILoveEko]

A thousand pardons, I have failed everyone. I shall stick my marshmellow self in the microwave as a suitable punishment.
Lmao Puff.

Sanity, it was more just because the site was mentioned and (I'll admit) I just skimmed through the math posts cuz I hate math :p

But I was just saying that incase anyone feels they have something to say about it, to post in that thread.

And yes, this is still KCSP/Sn0w/XNA. I should go edit my post a bit :)

ETA: There we go, my post has been edited :D

One last edit, lol... It was mainly the mention of the other equation, and the discussions of 3SQ that I was suggesting be discussed in the aforementioned thread. :)