+ NEW info on the WHISPERING VOICES.

[sawyerhasbestlines]

3/05 - No more need to guess what the whispers are in the jungle that Sawyer and Sayid hear. KF2 has provided this recently updated transcripts of the whispers:

Sayid in the Jungle
From "Solitary"


Man's voice: Just let him get out of here

Man's voice: He's seen too much already

Man's voice: What if he tells

Woman's voice: Could just speak to him

Man's voice: No


Sawyer in the jungle
From "Outlaws"


Woman's voice: Maybe we should just talk to him

Man's voice: No if he see us it will ruin everything

Man's voice: What did he see

Woman's voice: They could help us

Man's voice: Can't trust

Man's voice: Come back around

(Sawyer pauses, crickets and cicada are heard)

Man's voice: What did he see

Man's voice: Nothing he was following it

Woman's voice: Speak

Man's voice: Nothing

Frank Duckett's voice: It'll come back around

www.carpeoccasio.com/lost/whispers.htm

[Arcesso]

COulda sworn it was something like "It will come back around" or something like that.

[Cousin Eddie]

Ohhh man !! This just spoiled the whole episode for me !!

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[luxe]

I thought it said "Go around."

[yung23]

I think our black rock thing is reading the minds of these people, and whispering to them, in their heads....

It'll come back around...

meaning Sawyer will get his too...

[schweinhaxe]

Yeah, sounded like " It will come back around."

Just what the guy who Sawyer killed by the dumpster said.

hmmmm.....

[sawyerhasbestlines]

"Just what the guy who Sawyer killed by the dumpster said."

Ohh, good catch shweinhaxe! Interesting, thanks all for making out the words. Gotta think about that.

[Memoh]

As for that, does anyone remember what Sayid's whisperers said?

[JuniWolfspirit]

Sayid's whispers were nonsensical. I tried to listen, but I couldn't understand them -_-

[bookfury55]

Hello everyone...new here. Tonight just blew me away.
You are right about what Sawyer heard. It will come around again. I put on the closed captioning for certain shows that I really want to KNOW what is being said. That was it. Same thing the guy said at the dump. AND there were no words for the closed captioning when Sayid heard the voices. Look forward to picking up more info from all of you

[yung23]

I never noticed the above whispers text until this edit, wow.

[rknorton91]

ehh the 6 week hiatus will allow me to rewatch some older episodes that I will have the advantage of a new perspective while watching them.. so that is good

One possible reason for why we were not able to understand Syiads wispers is that maybe they were being wispered in his native language? maybe?

[2tiels2]

jack heard whispers too, whispers and ice clinking in a glass. the whispers seem to be a voice of each person's subconscious.

[gorkhal]

6 WEEKS!!!!!! that is way tooooo long

[strawberry64]

i thought it said turn around now. like a warning. every time he heard it and turned around it saved him.

[Gambit980]

Yeah, sounded like " It will come back around."
If you tie this with the whole everyone is going on a walk about it gives this episode some merit.

[Chance Gardener]

Deleted to promote harmony.




I like to watch

[spooky]

I thought the whisper said: "Now go back around" -- which would have a slightly different connotation.

Can someone check it again. I'd like to make sure I get it right in the transcripts.

Thanks!

[Calastine]

Did anyone else notice the odd camera angle that was used just before Sawyer heard the whispers? The camera swooped down from above and behind him. It was exactly like the type of shot used in horror flicks right before some nasty is going to attack the main character.

What if we were seeing the perspective of the island monster?

[Misseelicious]

Those of you who posted wondering what the whispers said AFTER it was already mentioned need to READ before posting.

The whisper was the voice of the man he killed and the whisper said exactly what the man said before he died.

[imamiamigurl]

I thought it said "You go back around". I rewound (sp.?) this a couple of times and I believe this is clearly what was said.

[llywrch]

sorry old kids ghost tale payoff - have to be from Cincy to get it

I thought you were alluding to the Steven King novel. (I'm not sure which one this is -- "It"? -- but a creature in the shape of a circus clown lures kids into dark places, telling them "Everything floats down here!"

Well, it works as a joke for me, anyway.

Geoff

[MayorOfBearVillage]

I just rewatched that scene with closed captioning.

The answer is:
[voices whispering]
[more voices whispering]
[Man's voice: "It will come back around"]

If you've forgotten the significance of that line, it's the last words Shrimp Guy says to Sawyer after he kills him. Then it cuts to Sawyer's final showdown with the boar.

[Cousin Eddie]

I think the whispers were...

"If You Build It He Will Come"

Nex couple of episodes we will see Sawyer building a baseball field, I'm sure of it. ;)

[tigerlily808]

Maybe, if the whispers that they hear are personal to each individual who is hearing them, Sayeed's whispers were not in English, but in his native language. Just a thought.

[Chance Gardener]

Deleted to promote harmony.




I like to watch

[Lockeness Monster]

LOL that's funny Edward :rollin

By the way the Diary has been updated

[Lockeness Monster]

WHISPERS - possibly not 'the others' as we seem to have been led to believe, but voices from the past,voices of those our survivors have killed. I thought I heard Sayid's name called when he heard his voices. Sawyer heard "It will come around",which Shrimpie said to him while dying. Are the whispers Danielle hears the voices of those in her party that she killed?

[Mattie]

Not sure if this has been posted before in this thread (too lazy to check) but here's a transcript of the whispers. I find it very interesting.

Sayid in the Jungle
From "Solitary"


Man's voice: Just let him get out of here

Man's voice: He's seen too much already

Man's voice: What if he tells

Woman's voice: Could just speak to him

Man's voice: No


Sawyer in the jungle
From "Outlaws"


Woman's voice: Maybe we should just talk to him

Man's voice: No if he see us it will ruin everything

Man's voice: What did he see

Woman's voice: They could help us

Man's voice: Can't trust

Man's voice: Come back around

(Sawyer pauses, crickets and cicada are heard)

Man's voice: What did he see

Man's voice: Nothing he was following it

Woman's voice: Speak

Man's voice: Nothing

Frank Duckett's voice: It'll come back around

www.carpeoccasio.com/lost/whispers.htm (http://www.carpeoccasio.com/lost/whispers.htm)

[summergirl429]

Kathy Fan, OMG! :eek I tried to listen to what they had been saying, but it was really hard. This is something people need to ponder....

[LostinTrinity]

That is interesting info...are we sure it's correct? Where did they get it? My closed captioning just said *whispering* until the "it will come back around" part.

[Mattie]

Well I turned my volume up REALLY loud and just relistened to those parts...and definitely at the Sayid part in the jungle you definitely hear a man saying no...and you can definitely hear it's real speech, it's hard to make out but I'm going to believe this person since it seems like a very credible site. Maybe they recorded the audio and did sound mix editing to it and removed the background noise and they were able to hear it.

[walkingcarpet23]

And here I thought they had been saying "If you build it they will come."

[Mattie]

Here's a sound clip from episode 12. You can clearly hear the whisper "Heeeeelp".

www.soundclick.com/util/streamM3U.m3u?ID=1972590&q=Hi (http://www.soundclick.com/util/streamM3U.m3u?ID=1972590&q=Hi)

[ISLANDLEA]

I don't know, I would have been scared or I don't know maybe looked to see if someone was there and ran or even screamed, it just seemed like they did not care almost.

[Mattie]

Well during the scene when Sayid and Sawyer are talking it seems like they both KNOW what they heard...but they want to know what the OTHER person heard themselves. But it's like they are both too scare (of what they heard, or of seeming crazy) to tell the other. So they both don't say.

[susie1967]

I'm not sure which one this is -- "It"?
Yes, the novel was "It"

Kathy, once again, thank you for sharing your find with us! I thought the whispers were nonsensical; there just to make us think perhaps our island buddies were going insane.

[sawyerhasbestlines]

Man's voice: Nothing he was following it


---- now, this takes us to Locke and Boone and the hatch.
Locke says to Boone: "can you feel IT?"


---- and Locke to Boone regarding Boone's vision of his sister dead.
"What did IT show you?"


----
Thanks Kathy 2

[sawyerhasbestlines]

Kathy, you should start a new thread with your transcription, so more people will read it.

Also, read the Aboriginal Dreamtime theory as I think the voices you deciphered relates to the discussion there.

[Mattie]

Well, it's not my transcription (I linked to the site where I found the transcription at). And I would start a new thread but I'm afraid the mods would just want to move it here anyway. :o

[sawyerhasbestlines]

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[east928]

when i study what is said from these transcripts, it really hit me when the man says 'what did he see?' and then another man says, 'nothing he was following it"..... (sawyer episode)...o.k...guys, now look at this! I am to understand that 'it' can not be seen unless it faces you diretly...that's why sawyer didn't see anything...he was FOLLOWING it. With that in mind, IT could be a REFLECTION of yourself???? What do you guys think....this is a facinating post!!!

[Mattie]

I have no idea, but I got the impression the whispers are ghosts. Or that it's all some sort of experiment.

They said "maybe we could just talk to him" "no it will ruin everything" Ruin what?

[Master Xander]

Bumping. :)

[Mattie]

Don't stop now, you're on a roll, Xan.

[rknorton91]

How do we know these are the correct transcripts? Has anyone else looked back through these whispers and verified it as correct? Also if they are correct are the whispers in English or French?

[Ioncewaslostbut nowImfound]

I know, I remember that scary story/joke. All eerie, about a killer ghost who kept saying it floats, it floats. Finally the haunted kid gets brave opens the door runs outside and says, what floats? And the scary evil voice says, Ivory Soap floats. Sighs of relief! Yup great old camp fire story. Only second to it the eerie rapping noise, rap, rap, rap! Scared child looks in the kitchen to see what's making the noice, and it was wrapping paper! Booooo!!!!!!

[Hodgepodge]

Like Rknorton91, I'd like to verify these whisper transcripts. But, just going by what we have, lets see what can be deciphered.

Solitary
First, we need to reset the scene. Sayid has just had his last encounter with Danielle. She's gone her way, and he's heading back to the cave encampment.

Man's voice: Just let him get out of here - If I remember correctly, Sayid stops in a clearing, when he hears the whispers. It sounds like the whispers were planning some kind of intervention? Decided against it, and let him go?

Man's voice: He's seen to much already - This kind of strengthens the idea about the interdiction. But, the only thing Sayid's seen is Danielle, her shelter. Maybe they somehow are aware that he stole the maps and other items?

Man's voice: What if he tells - Something you'd say if someone found out a secret. Shows fear of the consequences.

Woman's voice: Could just speak to him - Women, always the voice of reason. Willing to expose themselves, to keep secret.

Man's voice: No - Apparently not very trusting.


Outlaws
Lets setup this scene. Sawyer has just chased the boar into the jungle when he hears the whispers.

Woman's voice: Maybe we should just talk to him - She's trying to reason with her compatriots again. Another sign that if women ran the World, we'd probably live in a safer place.

Man's voice: No if he see us it will ruin everything - She's countered by a man again. But this see, speaks volumes. Where is this conversation taking place? I'd hate to believe their invisible. Maybe their overlooking the island from a command center?

Man's voice: What did he see - What was out there that time of night/morning, that Sawyer could've seen? Are the owners of these whispers moving in and out of sight?

Woman's voice: They could help us - Are the owners of the whispers some how lost on the island as well? What could our survivors do to help them?

Man's voice: Can't trust - Maybe they've asked for help before and were some how rebuffed?

Man's voice: Come back around - Are they indicating that if they trust, it might come back to harm them?

Then after the little pause and jungle sounds.

Man's voice: What did he see - In this case as well as Solitary, the whispers are afraid they've let something out of the bag.

Man's voice: Nothing he was following it - Now, the only thing Sawyer was following was the boar. So, maybe something moved in and out of view.

Woman's voice: Speak - No idea what this could mean. Maybe one of the whisperer's had a look of question on their face?

Man's voice: Nothing - Kind of substantiates above.

Frank Duckett's voice: It'll come back around - This is what Frank tells Sawyer after he's shot.

[ChewbaccasInnerWookie]

danke hodgepodge. I hadn't for the life of me, been able to figure out what had been said.

[TT Coco Pop]

Very interesting reading...thanks for all the hard work!

~Terry~

[rknorton91]

I agree hodgepodge they form a fairly logical sequence and seem real. That does not in itself make them so. A logical person could have made up such a logical conversation.

I would still like to hear from someone else that could verify that the whispers do indeed say that or even something very close to that and how they managed to do it (what kind of sound equipment and enhancements they did). And I would also be interested in what language the whispers are speaking in.

[JustSmith]

I see it more like this :) I think the owners of the voices are tapping into the survivors and are prompting brain activity/emotional activity. I think they need this for a particular reason, maybe they feed off it? I also think that this is what they did to the research team and it sent them insane. I interpret the conversation this way.

Woman's voice: Maybe we should just talk to him - and explain the situation in total and ask them for what we need.

Man's voice: No if he see us it will ruin everything - It will alert the survivors to their presence and therefore reduce the effectiveness of the techniques of fear, surprise and visual stimulation they are using.

Man's voice: What did he see - What vision did he see inside his mind.

Woman's voice: They could help us -The survivors have the ability to provide them with brain activity/emotional activity willingly without the manipulation and techniques that the voices are subjecting the survivors to.

Man's voice: Can't trust - if asked willingly they may deny the voices what they need.

Man's voice: Come back around - this is an explanation of part of the vision that Sawyer was having.

Then after the little pause and jungle sounds.

Man's voice: What did he see - prompting for more information on the vision that Sawyer is having.

Man's voice: Nothing he was following it - he is following the boar which is tied into the vision and emotional response that his is experiencing.

Woman's voice: Speak - Reflect back in whispers.

Man's voice: Nothing - there was no further vision. The session is now closed.

[Elysiannn]

With this new info it makes me feel like there are watchers who are manipulating events off stage so-to-speak. Kind of like those mirrors in interrogation rooms. But in the jungle it would be almost intra-dimensional. Or like the alien in Predator - with the means to be invisible. Ely

[sawyerhasbestlines]

Does anyone want me to cut and past either KF2's translation or Hodge's onto the first page, so it's easier to find?

[Hodgepodge]

JustSmith, I like your interpretation of the whisper transcripts. It's amazing how two people can see things differently. But these transcripts are to important to the plot of Lost for guess work. If these transcripts are true, it changes the whole complexity of the series. So, this is what I've done on our behalf.

Rknorton91, and everyone in this thread. I'm trying to get some information on the person that did the interpretation of the whispers. So far the only name I've come up with is a ADAwhen. But, I've found out the ADA, stands for, Americans with Disabilities Act.

I also can't seem to find a membership list over at ABC's Lost site. So, if someone is a member there, see if they can get a message to this ADAwhen. If it's a person at all.

One more thing. I sent an anonymous email (the only email available) to Lostlinks. This is where the transcripts are stored. Not sure if this is going to do any good. There was know way to leave your return address. So again, if someone knows anyone over at Lostlinks, see it you can help us out.

[MagiclBlingBling]

Hmm, I don't know why, but I thought (after reading Hodgepodge's transcripts) that they could be The spirits/ghosts of Rousseau's team.
I thought maybe the women saying they could help us could be the voices want revenge on Rousseau or the 'others' (that sounds corny and dumb even as I'm typing it! Blah, I hope I'm wrong about that.)

Anyways, Sayid had found out all about Rousseau and the black rock and stuff, so maybe the whispers were contemplating protecting her or the rock. Why would they be protecting the rock? Maybe it's not really protection; it's prevention. They don't want anyone else to get sick from it, so they were going to stop Sayid from telling the other castaways about it. Or maybe they're protecting our castaways from the 'others'? I don't know, I just thought that this was a possibility.
Fascinating but creepy stuff here!

[Mattie]

I've been thinking ghosts. How else do you explain voices talking in the jungle with people nowhere in sight?

Not like ghosts would be a stretch when we've already got cursed numbers and kids with special abilities.

If it's something other than ghosts though I am totally open to that. It's just the only thing I can think of at the moment.

[rknorton91]

Thanks Hodge Podge for trying to help with tracking down this translation. Until I can verify that this is the correct translation I will treat it as some bodies guess as to what the whispers said.

As far as who the whispers are it could be many things... ghost of the team come to mind, also maybe psychically projected voices coming from people inside of the hatch or what ever else there may be under the ground, or maybe it is just a hallucination in their own minds caused by something on the island

[GotLost88]

I could be way off, but maybe the "whispers" are talking about the sickness when they say that revealing themselves to the person in question could "ruin everything". I don't know anything except that they're creepy and at this point make no sense.....:rolleyes

[Hodgepodge]

sawyerhasbestlines asks:
Does anyone want me to cut and past either KF2's translation or Hodge's onto the first page, so it's easier to find?

SHBL, KF2's translation come directly from Lostlinks, and are the supposed exact transcripts. JustSmith, and mine are just interpretations of what they may mean. I think if any of the three should be placed on the first page, it should be KF2's. JMO!

[sawyerhasbestlines]

I moved them to the first page, so we can find them faster. Thanks, KF2

[llywrch]

I've been thinking ghosts. How else do you explain voices talking in the jungle with people nowhere in sight?

Acoustics?

As an example, there's a raceway several miles from my house, where Formula 1 cars race once a year. When they're racing, I can hear their engines as they downshift into the turns quite clearly -- yet I can't hear noises from a few blocks away.

It may tie into one of the threads over in the Theory Forum.

Geoff

[DontWannaBLost]

Interesting observation, Geoff. Also true in my experiences living about 5 miles from a NHRA dragstrip.

Personally, i think the whispers may come from some extremely well camouflaged people. I think they are hidden in the trees (i recall how well Locke and Michael were able to move about 30 feet up in the air when helping Walt from the polar bear attack) and other natural surroundings.

[Woodnymph12]

I agree it's probably hidden people.

Either that, or it's Dr. Doolittle's island, and we're hearing the conversation of geckos or some other critters..

[MagiclBlingBling]

gah, I thought I had already posted this, but I guess not. anyway,
Hearing whispering voices (and understanding most of the words) while in a dense jungle is really different from hearing the roar of a formula 1 car engine. I Don't think that you're hearing the echo of people far away or anything like that: it's too unbelieveable IMO.
Hm, nenver considered talking critters, but it';s a pretty cool notion IMO. That whould be awesome if it;s really camouflaged people-to see them revealed will probably remind me of the old film Zulu, when the tribe rises from the plains and seriously startles you...IN the jungle, that would be sweet! :D GO RENT THAT MOVIE!

[Hodgepodge]

Bump!

Still looking for help over at ABC's Lost site. Can anybody help?

[Mattie]

Still looking for help over at ABC's Lost site. Can anybody help?

What are you looking for, Hodge?

[DontWannaBLost]

On the 3rd page of this thread, 3/22, Hodge is looking for credentials:
I also can't seem to find a membership list over at ABC's Lost site. So, if someone is a member there, see if they can get a message to this ADAwhen. If it's a person at all.
Everyone here is such a wiz at research, I wish i was half as talented (I'm lucky I figured out how to use the EZ board search with 40% success!)

[Mattie]

Oh, I have no idea of a membership list at the ABC Lost forum. I don't think there is one. That forum sucks they should redesign it and make it easier to use.

-throws in the 2¢-

[MagiclBlingBling]

*(I'm lucky I figured out how to use the EZ board search with 40% success!)*

There's a search here! wow! you're good, DontWannaBLost! I honestly didn't see that one!...I bet you feel smarter now :\

[DontWannaBLost]

yeah, it was quite a moment of personal triumph when i finally spied that search link;)

edit: I think my "everyone here is such a wiz" comment was misunderstood...I really appreciate every thing that the members here research, cuz i know i wouldn't be able to be nearly as educated about LOST if I was on my own!

And yes, I was happy :D when i found the search link...I think it was at least a whole month after I started lurking!

[sawyerhasbestlines]

All right peeps, let's watch for some whispering tonight.... one hour and 7 minutes to go... getting excited.

[Mattie]

Bump.

[EGlVM]

I thought it was Sawyer's voice saying "it'll come back around"

[chole1017]

maybe the voices were echoing from somewhere. the hatch that boone and locke found might be one of many on the island, part of some government project or experiment. they could all be interconnected to form an underground living system. this could be where the "others" live and where ethan took claire. the voices may be coming from the ventilation system or some other opening. perhaps even the room danielle kept sayiid in after she captured him was part of that system. the voices could be discussing telling the castaways and asking for help because they have been stuck there or cannot communicate with the outside world anymore.

[athywithak]

hodgeP:

Man's voice: He's seen to much already - This kind of strengthens the idea about the interdiction. But, the only thing Sayid's seen is Danielle, her shelter. Maybe they somehow are aware that he stole the maps and other items?


Well, he also saw the cable leading from the ocean to under the ground.

Also, "if he SEES US" would imply these speakers Can be seen.

Thanks to those who searched for info to validate these translations! Too bad no answers...

-Kw/K

[Hodgepodge]

athywithak rightfully says:Well, he also saw the cable leading from the ocean to under the ground.

Also, "if he SEES US" would imply these speakers Can be seen.
Athywithak, very good points! I'd forgotten about the cable.

[LoStMyMiNd]

They also could be the other survivors of Oceanic Flight 815. Maybe they are in another dimension. I like the alternate dimension theory

[yung23]

holy crap, it is the trees !!

they're right in front of him & all around him ... ???

I KNOW people here have theorized the damn trees with hearts and minds ( whenIMO its a net springing upward, not tree legs"...)

but reading this entire post now, maybe it IS the trees.

?

[Suil Liath]

uh the trees are ents?

well, nothing would surprise me.

Let's take this to Theories and Speculation.

*packs suitcase, calls bell hop*

See you in T&S

[LoStMyMiNd]

maybe the whisperers are living inside the trees

[yung23]

("maybe the whisperers are living inside the trees")

wow, thats better. they are hollow, all the way up usually.
I'm talking about the big fig tree roots...

tp paint the picture again, a bird eats a fig, shits on a branch, the seed sprouts roots down around the host tree, eventually killing it, the host rots, decays and leaves a hollow "tree" inside the parasite fig tree.

maybe they live there ?

"if he sees us it will ruin everything..."


Im not really being serious here, just playing with ideas...

nothing else to do right now...

but watching the scene again, its more of a grassy field around sayid...

it this accurate whisper data anyway ?

did we ever get a confirmation ?
it seems like too much info to release.

[sexy baby mama]

no, i don't think we ever did get confirmation from abc that the whispers actually said what is posted in this thread. if the whispers are saying something like this, i find that interesting. but as far as official word, i don't think we've gotten that yet.

[spooky]

Just a couple of thoughts:
The spying of the whisperers reminds me of something SHBL said about Locke being seen by Cooper’s camera. If the transcript is true, maybe we are seeing a theme of surveillance… which ties into what Danielle said to Sayid in regard to the sickness, “watch them, watch them closely.” A theme of surveillance adds to a sense of distrust, of self-censorship, and to the idea of being imprisoned. It may have to do with some of the more conspiracy-minded theories around.

The broken, stilted language might be indicative of children, and/or of people who don’t speak very often. Plus, “What if he tells,” sounds child-like. Perhaps this is Alex (the group Alex is with)? It might explain why the voice would be worried about Sayid finding Danielle.

[grizwald56]

heres a thought. maybe the whispers aren't real but the first signs of sawyer and sayid becoming ill with whatever danielle's crew got

[drabauer]

spooky--yes, surveillance, the Panopticon (very Foucauldian!). Control through the omniscient gaze. Grizwald, that could be true, although we still don't know what the "sickness" represents. All we really suspect is that people change, and, it would seem, can't be reclaimed once they have. They lose themselves to something else.

Maybe the whispers are a kind of Greek chorus to the survivors's stories, commenting on the action while remaining aloof from it. They stand outside the discursive action while remaining part of the Lost universe.

I know that they've inflamed my desire to want to know what the @#$* is going on!

[jaystao]

I agree with the 'child' like mentality of these whispers; that is, something or someones that are naive in some way to these new comers. But if they show themselves, in what way will 'whatever' be ruined? That is to say, they maybe 'leading' the castaways to some situation or event that may either be beneficial to them or maybe a way for the two entities, castaways/whispers to make first contact. What ever the case I think the trees are symbolic and instrumental to what ever is hiding the 'whispers'. I had this to say in an older previous post -

My original idea was that there was a universal (priori) element that connected everything on the island in a communicative harmony. That trees and polar bears could some how communicate (not talk per say just 'communicate'). In the right harmonic mind frame one can 'feel' and 'hear' this interaction.... A living ecology may have some sense of self-awareness but a tree probably couldn't speak English so perhaps some of the phenomena in lost is due to this attempt at communication?

Maybe this communication is using the castaways memories as a means of communicating, or the castaways themselves are using fragments of their memories/thoughts to interpret the communicative signals. Hence this 'communication' is bringing past memories and feelings to the fore. Currently I'm looking at how subliminal patterns can create contextual meanings when seen from a differing state of mind, similar to those damn magic eye pictures that you stare at until something magically 'appears' in the pattern.

I think that there is some hidden dimension on the island that can only be seen/heard or hinted at when one is on the right resonance of mind. There are various entities that inhabit this 'dimensional' phasing like space. One such entity/element may exist on a bimolecular level (nano tech or something) that inhabits the air in the island and is being breathed in by the castaways. This element becomes connected with the biological factors of the castaways bodies, when they are wounded some effect occurs which pulls the influence of this 'presence' away from the castaways so that other 'entities/elements' may effect them.

Just trying to connect the reason why wounding seems to be prevalent when the whispers are heard.

[sawyerhasbestlines]

Adding to Spooky's theme of surveillance, a lot of episodes do start with a big eyeball. And Locke said he's seen into the eye of the island.

Is there an orwellian theme in play? I always mix up Brave New World, and 1984. But in one of them, they have to face their biggest fears (head in a closed box of rats) which reminds me of the hallucinations. And there were speakers and cameras out in nature. Maybe for the castaways, it's enough of a cross cultural literary reference to get the Big Brother paranoia to set in and let their own minds set the motions into play.

[LoStMyMiNd]

I am right in the middle of reading A Wrinkle In Time. I am getting closer to uderstanding where the whispers are coming from. Will post about that later with my book report. 8)

[sawyerhasbestlines]

O dammit, please do compare and post about the whispers from wrinkle in time. I'm very curious to hear what you have to say.

[lacenaire]

Hi SawyerHBL I am reading too the wrinkle in time followin Sawyer's example.

Brave New World is from Huxley: It's very much like fahrenheit 451 in a way. Empty hedonism isn't the answer to our life's dilemmas.

In 1984: Those tortures u mentioned were used to break the connection between the 2 lovers. To break their ilussion of altruism. And to make their reconciliation impossible, and so "curing" then permanently.


Can you establish a connection between VOices-Hallucinations-Flashbacks? They all seem to be intended as psychological reinforcement of certain behaviours in the survivors. But I can't quite grasp the connection yet, maybe you have some thoughts about it.

Cheers

[trinabobina]

Maybe the whispers are a kind of Greek chorus to the survivors's stories, commenting on the action while remaining aloof from it. They stand outside the discursive action while remaining part of the Lost universe.

I like this idea, as it blends with "Deus ex Machina" and our character comparison to the Greek pantheon...

Actually, we the viewers are something of a Greek chorus in this message board, eh?

[LoStMyMiNd]

Remember that Danielle has heard the whisperers, so it could not be the sickness she speaks of

[Maybishudbahippy]

I read A Wrinkle in time a while ago. Although I remember the plot a while ago, I don't remember any whispers. Were they on Camazotz (spelling?), thus, the whispers possibly controlled by IT? Perhaps the whispers Sawyer and Sayid heard were controlled by some sort of IT-like being. I'm just rambling here.

For those of you who have never read A Wrinkle in Time, IT is a large brain housed in a chamber on the planet of Camazotz. IT controlls the minds of everyone on Camazotz, creating an aura of perfection and discomfort. Fellow posters, this is all I remember. I'm sure another person would be willing to go further into depth on IT and Camazotz.

[LoStMyMiNd]

I don't think there are whispers in a Wrinkle In Time, but there may be a connection between this book and Lost. The characters in a Wrinkle in Time visit the 5th dimension. Sawyer was reading the book A Wrinkle In Time. I think we are only trying to discover the similarities, and there may be many.

So far Sawyer's reading material has been Lord of the Flies and a Wrinkle in Time. There could be others but these 2 stand out in my mind.

I am willing to post my theory after I finish the book, on where the whisperers are coming from in Lost. Hope that makes sense.

[trinabobina]

He also read "Watership Down" -- a much-discussed book on these boards.

[yung23]

did anyone catch the whispers this time, in the journey ?

they were louder and a lot more clear, we also got confirmation on we're the survivors...

[spooky]

drabauer wrote:
spooky--yes, surveillance, the Panopticon (very Foucauldian!). Control through the omniscient gaze.
Well, I was trying to Not say Foucault because it's been way too long since I've read him, but you caught me. The connection between surveillance and sickness was something I remembered from Foucault’s Discipline and Punish, though. The idea of the “sickness” has been hanging out there for quite a while, and I imagine that it will be revisited before the finale. There could be interesting consequences when/if people find out about a potential contagion on the island.

Maybe the whispers are a kind of Greek chorus to the survivors's stories
I like that idea, too. Maybe their use of language is meant to be lyrical.

SHBL wrote:
Is there an orwellian theme in play?
I was wondering the same thing. If someone or something is pulling strings it seems like they are able to keep tabs on, and manipulate, the survivors. With the amount of secrets people have been keeping from each other, and the potential of a contagion, it looks like paranoia and distrust may reach a fever pitch before they discover what’s really going on.

The whisperers, though watching the survivors, don't seem to be hostile or in control. Maybe they could prove to be helpful?

[yung23]

they need help as well apparently.

[LostInWilderness]

drabauer writes:Maybe the whispers are a kind of Greek chorus to the survivors's stories, commenting on the action while remaining aloof from it. They stand outside the discursive action while remaining part of the Lost universe.
Oh I hope not. That puts into play that they may be singing angels dancing on the heads of pins. I sincerely want a more practical explanation for the whispers. Surely they are people in the underground structures.

[LoStMyMiNd]

I keep pondering, "It will ruin everything" what will it ruin? Is this actually some sort of experiment?

[mister myster]

the whispering voices :

as sawyer hears the voices we understand what they say

as sahid hears them we dont understand a word.
why ? are the voices in his native language, iraqi ?
(the series makes use of native language as we know, french, spanish.japanese)
- so it would be : if the voices speak his language ,the voices are only in their minds ( no ghosts or real people )

would be easy to figure out by someone who understands the iraqi language -i dont even know how it sounds like ;)

[Hodgepodge]

mister myster says:...as sahid hears them we dont understand a word.
why ? are the voices in his native language, iraqi ?
(the series makes use of native language as we know, french, spanish.japanese)
- so it would be : if the voices speak his language ,the voices are only in their minds ( no ghosts or real people )

would be easy to figure out by someone who understands the iraqi language -i dont even know how it sounds like
Mister myster, it so happens I just linked someone in last nights episode discussion thread, to the whispering thread. That person recognized Sayid's whispering's as Arabic. So, you maybe on to something.

[scottq74]

I posted this in response to one of the Polls, but thought it might fit into this discussion, as well...

I think there may be one member of "The Others" for every person on the island. Each "Other" is dead person from an Oceanic 815 survivor's backstory...

For instance, Jack's dad may be an "Other." The guy Sawyer shot may be an "Other." The Iraqi officer Sayid shot may be an "Other" Walt's mom may be an "Other." Think about the possibilities.

[LoStMyMiNd]

In light of the new discovery that Sayid heard whispering in Arabic, it may be that they are hearing themselves as children in another dimension. Sayid hears himself as a child in Arabic, Sawyer hears himself as a child in English and Danielle hears herself as a child in French.

[spooky]

That's a cool idea, and the Wrinkle in Time reference is great. I'm grateful that you're reading it. And I like the idea that the whisperers are children. I actually really like that idea.

But I was just thinking that the only people that have heard them that we know of are Danielle, Sayid and Sawyer. And Danielle told Sayid, and Sayid told Sawyer. So maybe hearing the whispers is sort of contagious -- by suggestion.

[LostInWilderness]

Contagious like a disease?

[spooky]

No, I mean contagious more like a meme -- a sort mind/memory virus. I'm not sure how to explain it... it's like a super-charged "power of suggestion" -- with a life of it's own, not unlike The Numbers (or some of the theories on the board).

[lacenaire]

In episode 1x21 Sayid's whispers didn't sound English at all.
They sounded arabic or farsi. Anyone can confirm that please?

[LostInWilderness]

Allow me to rephrase spooky: contagious like a sickness? I wonder if this effect is the same effect as Danielle's sickness.

Lace, I just read that an Arabic speaker claimed that Sayid's whispers were in Arabic, but I can't find the thread.

[drabauer]

Spooky, it does seem as though the theory of memes might be applicable to lost. I never really got into that; maybe you can enlighten us?

[Dark Stool]

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well...
i took audio samples of:

1. sayid hearing the whispers (original)
2. sayid hearing the whispers (LOST-the journey re-edit)
3. sawyer hearing the whispers

i did some adjusting so i could hear the "whispers" better to see if they matched up with what was written on the first post on this thread.

THEY DO NOT.

i can't make out fully what they say, but it's definitely not the conversation that people are claiming. sawyer's is the most understandable at the beginning. i am pretty sure you hear someone say, "next time, i'm gonna kill (or get) you."

here are the files for you to listen to for yourselves:

sayid (original):
www.workhouseboys.com/sayid_whispers.mp3 (http://www.workhouseboys.com/sayid_whispers.mp3)

sayid (LOST-the journey):
www.workhouseboys.com/say...ourney.mp3 (http://www.workhouseboys.com/sayid_whispers_journey.mp3)

sawyer:
www.workhouseboys.com/saw...ispers.mp3 (http://www.workhouseboys.com/sawyer_whispers.mp3)



anyone able to figure it out?
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[spooky]

LiW & drabauer: Damn, you want me to explain? :)

Memes:
The concept of a meme is that a particularly interesting or useful idea is spread according to genetic rules. A meme can replicate and mutate. The law of natural selection applies. The stronger the meme the more it spreads. Got Milk? is a meme. It was catchy and mutated into many variations (Got Meme?). Memetic adaptation is a way of looking at cultural evolution. It mirrors genetic adaptation and biological evolution, but is much faster. Generally memes that survive and become strong are neutral/fun or enhance the person/society that adopts them. But there can also be detrimental memetic viruses.

I was thinking of the sickness in terms of a memetic virus (rather than a physical disease) because there seems to be a connection between the sickness and the whispers to me; and possibly to madness of some sort – like obsession?. Danielle said the sickness took them “one after the other,” suggesting that it isn’t something highly contagious. How is it contracted, then? The fact that hearing the whispers went from Danielle to Sayid to Sawyer by a sort of word-of-mouth transmission is what made me think of memes. Maybe the suggestion of the whispers from one person to another allows the whispers a way in to the mind/memory. The transmission of the numbers could also be a memetic virus. It went from Sam to Lenny to Hurley, just by listening, apparently.

Maybe hearing the numbers unlocks a sort of madness? Like hearing the whispers does? Or, maybe what I should say is that the sickness is a form of madness that is contracted by simply hearing an idea/unit of information. Sayid and Sawyer both seem frightened by hearing the whispers, as if they think they’re going crazy. Hurley is definitely afraid of being crazy. If nothing else, the knowledge of the numbers, or the whispers, creates doubt in the rational self, a sense of being haunted or cursed – a sort of mind virus.

Maybe the “island virus” is looking for a way off the island, so it can spread?

[LostInWilderness]

That's a very cool idea spooky.
Maybe the “island virus” is looking for a way off the island, so it can spread?
Shameless plug alert: And maybe an opposing force is fighting to make sure it can't escape.

[yung23]

so it's a living meme ?

cool ideas, may explain the sickness, could it explain the monster ? like mass-paranoia ?
I really see what you mean...

but is it a life-form ? is it aware or something ?

[drabauer]

I read the theory of memes a few years ago and didn't care for it because it presumed agency on the part of a cultural artifact. That said, I think it's a terrific device to explain what may be happening on Lost. That is, rather than merely whispers by suggestion, we may have something that, through electronic or other support, has a "mind" of its own. Not that you couldn't convince me with the conventional theory as well (it just seems like an excessively anthropomorphic way to talk about cultural discourse and transmission).

BTW, I dissected the whispering mp3s posted above (thanks !), but I didn't get much. Here are snippets from the middle of Sawyer, low pass, lowered pitch (http://www.swedishpoet.com/Sawyerlowerpitch.mp3) and Sayid, low pass, lowered pitch (http://www.swedishpoet.com/Sayidlowerpitch.mp3).

Can anyone hear anything new?

[LoStMyMiNd]

Thanks for posting what the whisperers are saying. This is what I heard

Sayid's: He is a nice man or could be ice man and someone shouts NO

Sayid's I hear them out there in the jungle, they whisper, where are they (laughing) shuuuuuuuush (Edited to add: this part sounded just like Danielle's voice)

Sawyer's: sandwiches....It will come back around (someone shouted this in a loud whisper)

[Dark Stool]

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sandwiches have been known to come back around.

maybe it was telling sawyer to kill that new boar because the meat he's been hiding in his secret stash is getting old.
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[LoStMyMiNd]

lol...well it did sound like sandwiches, but it could also be sand......witches

Edited to add: I could be wrong too because my hearing is not so good. Loud music has done its damage.

[Bocabrat]

ok, here goes...first post.

very interesting about the whispering being a disease. In that case, Locke is almost there. He knows he will be safe.

[Ioncewaslostbutnowamfound]

some one wrote that they heard the whispers say, he looks like a nice man he could be a nice man and then no...well immediately upon reading this dialogue I pictured in my mind two children speaking to each other. Could their be spirits of children on the island, and that is why the others, who are pretty much normal people, realized that there are kids's spirits and that is why they are capturing children(alex and now walt).

[magnet school]

I like that idea that the whispers belong to children, but I would prefer to think that the children may be held somewhere where they can be heard and not seen. There is ample evidence that their voices could be carried by a number of means.

[drabauer]

Found two additional open threads on the whispers, FYI

whispering voices theory (http://p073.ezboard.com/flosttheunofficalforumfortheabcseriesfrm29.showMes sage?topicID=2102.topic)

the whispers/ voices (http://p073.ezboard.com/flosttheunofficalforumfortheabcseriesfrm29.showMes sageRange?topicID=1274.topic&start=41&stop=55)

[pinnerman]

Bumping as this was the very last thread on page 13 and I didn't want it to disappear.

[Froshaka]

I really don't think these are ghosts.

I believe there is an intricate sound system throughout the jungle.

I've been trying to push this idea in other threads...The reason why I say this is that even with the creature, we've heard ROARs and loud footsteps but no tremors have been shown of any kind. No part of the jungle visited by the Lostaways has looked damaged by the creature in any way shape or form. We see trees bending and swaying but we neevr see the Lostaways walk through an area of broken trees and there also no tracks of this supposed monster.

If I had to make a guess I'd say that there is some kind of network underneath the ground where some conscious entity can manipulate the ground above in order to scare people away (ta-da..a security system like Danielle says".

This info on the whispering voices is great, I hadnt read that before. based on the transcriptions it would seem as if the people talking are capable of monitoring the actions of the people on the island yet seem to be fearful of things they might discover. This fits in with the whole idea of 'The Others' living on another island (or a safe area on the main one) and monitoring the main island from afar. I think that the voices are not connected to the black smoke (nanobots,hallucinations from the 'sickness' or whatever) and perhaps use their cameras and speakers to watch the black smoke using the speakers to scare them away whenever they need to do something on the island (like come up through the hatch).

[athywithak]

I dunno if I beleive the transcripts (as has been discussed).
I think Sayid heard whispers in his native language.

[Gambit980]

if the whisper are from a speaker system. who would put it there? Also everything that is on this island is old unless it crashed recently upon it. So this speaker system would have been installed by people who happen to be carrying it on their vessel. Suffice to say I don't think there is a speaker system.

I do however believe we have not seen the pseudoscience part of this show yet, aside from the maybe the monster. The only reason I can accept the nanobots being the monster, is the use of clones in Alias. I don't like the way he uses clones in that show and I hope he doesn't use these nanobots in this show the same way.

[Froshaka]

Okay...a 'speaker system' may be a out of the question. Any audio engineers or technicians out there?

There are some cases where these whispers are simply our Lostaways remembering things from their past (Sawyer for example). Ignoring the possibility that these are just auditory hallucinations and go ahead and make the assumption that some of the whispers are coming from a group that are monitoring the current events, there must be a way for these voices to be audible to the Lostaways.

Would there be other ways that people could be transmitting audio without a speaker system that our Lostaways could pick up? Nanobots/black smoke infecting them could be one way...

As much as I bring the nanobots up, I really hope that this doesnt turn out to be 'the big secret' as that will be an easy catch-all for a lot of the wierd things happening on the island.

p.s. I've seen a lot of sites dedicated to Lost yet I havent found a FAQ file of all the current theories and reasons supporting or not supporting them. It takes too long to search through this forum even with their search engine. Does such a thing exist?

[Gambit980]

We call it the Lost theory index. It has just about every theory thought of on lost. And it is stickied at the top of the T&S page

[Jesilu]

I don't think we can rule out some sort of advanced technology based on the assumption that someone would have had to have crashed on the island with the technology.

No one has ruled out the idea of the island's being monitored or controlled by an outside force or power (say, if it were some weapons/technology testing ground).

What we have seen of the security system is physical. Locke almost was trampled, and that left a big mark in the ground if I recall correctly. Also, the hole he was being pulled into seemed pretty physical to me. I don't think the security system is all in their heads.

My guess is that whatever hides the security system (say, cloaking device?) is the same thing that makes the whisperers invisible.

However, I also really like the theory of memetic sickness.

One last thing -- as a newbie, I read every post of a long thread before I post in it. That way, I know i'm not posting the EXACT same thing as someone else. Seems to be a bit of a problem around here, and I just thought I'd give a friendly reminder to my fellow newbies to do the same.

[Hodgepodge]

Well, due to the finale, Exodus (Part 2&3), I think the translation of the whispering voices is true. Now, what does that mean?

Taking into account what we've seen of the "thing in the jungle", it's obvious to me we're dealing with Pinnerman's "Philadelphia Experiment" theory. The whispering voices, because of said experiments, are lost in another dimension. I think this little snippet from the transcripts says it all:

Woman's voice: They could help us

Man's voice: Can't trust

Also, if you remember when Locke was pulled down into the hole, whatever had him wasn't very strong. Jack could keep them both from disappearing into that other dimension.

I got the impression, just from the way Locke was being pulled (by his legs), that this wasn't a person, but an animal. Maybe a large dog, or one of our not so distant cousins, a chimpanzee or Orangutan. But nothing very large.

[WayOffCourse]

The interesting thing about the whispers in the transcriptions is that they combine segments that we can associate with the individual hearing them as well as snippets of "others", which we have interpreted different ways. Of course, those segments could also be memories that we as viewers haven't seen, but I don't believe that's the writers' intent.

I took a look at some sites addressing auditory hallucinations, and in addition to mental illness, they can be caused by stress (Sayid's experience with Danielle was certainly stressful), sleep deprivation (from which Sawyer was suffering during his adventures with the boar) and sensory deprivation. Pseudo-auditory hallucinations are also common in people with some level of hearing loss and are "always vague--not clear and understandable" (from this web site: www.hearinglosshelp.com/h...tions.htm) (http://www.hearinglosshelp.com/hallucinations.htm))

I also agree that the voices seem to be "spreading" by suggestion, it will be interesting to see who hears them next to see if we can continue to track a path of "infection"

[Warthawg1]

A speaker system, eh? 8o

[Froshaka]

Oh man....THAT is the FAQ? What a mess. Its easier to find a link to 'giraffes' as the monster as opposed to nanobots and which has been discussed more? That thing is more accurately the red herring FAQ as opposed to one that is trying to help people weigh the facts and serious theories.

has anyone come up with a concise text-based FAQ? One that doesnt acknowledge every single thing posted on one of these forums.

Sorry to rant but video games have better FAQS than that (see GameFAQS (http://www.gamefaqs.com)). ..Thanks for the link though...:D

[LoStMyMiNd]

Through all of this I get the impression that the whispering voices are some type of psychosis brought on by the people that hear them, i.e. Danielle, Sayid and Sawyer.

I also got the impression that the thing dragging Locke was alot stronger than a dog or a gorilla. Those two animals would not be able to drag him that rapidly across the jungle floor

[athywithak]

I too find the theories index difficult to use at times, but it is what we've got and it represents a lot of hard work. My personal rule is not to complain about that which I am not willing to help fix, so let's just say I LOVE the index.

There is also this FAQ, started when the board crashed a few weeks ago:

p073.ezboard.com/flostthe...3218.topic (http://p073.ezboard.com/flosttheunofficalforumfortheabcseriesfrm2.showMess age?topicID=3218.topic)

-Kw/K

[Chance Gardener]

Well, as to the FAQ, the EZHack did tremendous damage to it first off.
Second, it has tended to double in size every 3rd or 4th episode and has been maintained this entire time pretty much by one person.
Third, as I am so often told when I complain about something here, DO BETTER THEN.

And yea, welcome to the T&S (we don't suffer fools gladly) forum.

[deelsee7]

Please don't dis drabauer's Theory Index. Yes it's more complicated than a video game FAQ, because she's trying (quite admirably) to create an index from THOUSANDS of posts and HUNDREDS of diverse theories. Video games are written by a team of what - 10 people max, and they all agree on the game's universe. So no matter how complex the game, it can't begin to compare with the complexity of indexing LOST theories created by thousands of members.

If you want a concise, easy to read FAQ, you may have to wait until LOST has completed it's run and we actually know what we're dealing with. I am personally amazed that anyone can even create (and update) the theories index so well. Thanks again, drabauer!

[Gambit980]

No we do not suffer fools,

anyway ODAMMET wouldn't we have to ignore the mechanical sounds if it had the strength of a gorilla or dog.

and back to the whispers can't anything that is heard in while being alone in the woods, be interpreted as a symptom of psychosis. Yes I understand they are going though much stress on the island, but symptoms would manifest themselves in more ways then just hearing whispers while they are alone in the woods. Kind of reminds me of a tree falls in the woods and their is only one lostaway to hear it, did the tree actually fall or is he under too much stress.

[drabauer]

My God, I leave a thread for 6 hours and all heck breaks loose.

Froshaka, I am excited about your theory, because it accords with my own ideas. First of all let me explain that my index was NEVER MEANT TO BE an FAQ; it is meant to be an index of ALL theories and discussions and yes, maintained with a great deal and effort by one person, who has all but despaired at keeping it current with the recent EZHACK.

I am working on a summary site but I am loathe to bother with one, easily-digestible FAQ, as most of the best posters range far and wide in their speculation, incoporating literary, film, scientific and other sources when it suits. (I guess my research on chaos theory has weaned me off of reductive analysis!)

Now, back to the theory: yes, why not speakers? Amazing things have been done in the last 10 years with sound projection, and the technology is not that farfetched (much more reasonable than nanobots, although I am not discounting that either). Read about it here:

Sonic bloom (http://p073.ezboard.com/flosttheunofficalforumfortheabcseriesfrm34.showMes sage?topicID=184.topic)

Hyper-Sonic Sound (http://p073.ezboard.com/flosttheunofficalforumfortheabcseriesfrm45.showMes sage?topicID=126.topic)

But I do not discount some kind of induced psychosis either. Both of the above posit that the castaways were intended to hear the voices. An alternate dimension theory does not necessarily warrant intention, as the voice owners may simply be wandering around.

I have to admit I've changed the way I think about this after reading the recent David Fury interview on this board.


Gambit: "did the tree actually fall or is he under too much stress."
:rollin

ever the philosopher

[Froshaka]

drabauer...sorry I spouted off about your index...it was at the very least not something I should have stated rudely in a public forum like that.

also, thanks for not blasting me in your response..you showed more class than I.

cheers!

[spooky]

Bumping for folks that haven't read it yet. Personally, I have no confidence in the "transcript" of the whispers, but it's interesting.

[clayseason1]

I've been looking for verification of the whisper transcripts. These threads are interesting reads.

forums.go.com/abc/thread?threadID=382416#3900421 (http://forums.go.com/abc/thread?threadID=382416#3900421)

forums.go.com/abc/thread?threadID=379388 (http://forums.go.com/abc/thread?threadID=379388)

[Hodgepodge]

clayseason1 says:I've been looking for verification of the whisper transcripts. These threads are interesting reads.Thanks for those links Clayseason1. I see others are having the same problem.

I'm curious whether they know ADA, stands for Americans with Disabilities Act. It's a way for the hearing impaired to have access to television series. Now I'm not saying ADAwhen was given the transcripts for the whispers by TPTB, but there's that possibility.

[clayseason1]

I like to think there are always possiblities. Of course, there are probabilities as well.

[Mysterious Mike]

I was watching the piolet episodes and when Kate is standing by that tree after the monster is after Jack, Charlie and her, Jack goes back to get Charlie
and Kate starts doing the counting something startles her before Charlie comes back an it sound like someone whispering to me. I have never seen this transcribed.

[sawyerhasbestlines]

slightly confused, haven't had coffee yet....

Mysterious Mike, are you quoting whispers that pertain to Kate from season 1?

[Mysterious Mike]

sawyerhasbestlines
Mysterious Mike, are you quoting whispers that pertain to Kate from season 1?

Yes it was a little confusing now that I reread it.When Kate is doing the counting after being chased by the monster for the first time she turns her attention right before Charlie comes and it sounds like whispering to me.It was in one of the first 2 episodes.Whether they pretain to Kate or not I am not sure I have never seen these transcribed.

[zerodoug]

When Walt appears to Shannon and later Shannon & Sayid is he one of the whisperers? He sounds like the others and appears right as they are speaking. He may be the same as them now, only he is willing to show himself. Does this inspire any ideas on what the whisperers are? It's really not good that he is dripping wet (also from his mouth).

[MrSpoons]

I think the whisperers are the stolen children. I think the reason that Walt gets seen is because he is 'special' and has somehow resisted some of what has been done to them all.

[lostmio]

I was watching the piolet episodes and when Kate is standing by that tree after the monster is after Jack, Charlie and her, Jack goes back to get Charlie
and Kate starts doing the counting something startles her before Charlie comes back an it sound like someone whispering to me. I have never seen this transcribed.

I've posted on this before.

It's clear to me that *something* happens while she's counting. I always thought she saw something but it could be she hears something. Whatever it is doesn't really scare her so much as surprise her. I agree that she looks startled.
After being startled, she seems less frightened, and it has to do with whatever it was she saw or heard - NOT the counting.

[Mysterious Mike]

After being startled, she seems less frightened, and it has to do with whatever it was she saw or heard - NOT the counting.


I wasn't trying to imply it was the counting.I am just saying it sounds like whispering to me.

[SareBear00]

So are you thinking that it is possible that one of the 'others' said something that comforted Kate?

[lostmio]

I wasn't trying to imply it was the counting.I am just saying it sounds like whispering to me.

Yes, I'm agreeing with you... altho I didn't hear the whispering, I think it's entirely likely you're right.

[dominic obsesser*]

that is so awsome man!!! the whole whispering thing!! if we didnt have a script of what they were saying, we'd be totally lost dude!!! awesome!

[Mysterious Mike]

[QUOTE][SareBear00
So are you thinking that it is possible that one of the 'others' said something that comforted Kate? /QUOTE]


I am just saying there is whispering and it turned Kate's attention in that scene, as for what it said I don't know.

[KateShepard]

that is so awsome man!!! the whole whispering thing!! if we didnt have a script of what they were saying, we'd be totally lost dude!!! awesome!

Hey when I watch Lost i want to be LOST :D

[*Saint*]

I just went back and listened to these MPC's again, and only catch bits and pieces of the transcripts...anyone else feel the same way??

And again, are these voices in another dimension, physically there, or watching from somewhere remotely??

I feel so confused...

[Mysterious Mike]

When Charlie is playing the piano in the water and he relizes Aaron is inside the piano he is distracted by something in the woods and it definately sounds like whispering, I am wondering if anyone has transcribed these whispers.

[Fourtoes]

Hmm. Looks like no one has posted to this thread in a very long time. But I just came across it and think there's something worth discussing.

The concerna about being seen reminded me very much of the final passage in the the final installment of Frank Herbert's Dune series, "Chapterhouse." That's a very enigmatic passage, but it seems to imply that some superious consciousness was manipulating everything that happened and almost revealed itself to the characters. Don't know whether the Lost writers are imping Dune, but the dialog is very similar.

[dharmapup2]

It sounds like it could be the others and somehow they make themselves invisible. Perhaps they could also have hidden speakers high in the trees around the jungle as part of their mind games. By the way...I think the way this part of the forum has been organized is sensational. Thanks for the great work moderators!:Cheers:

[drabauer]

Request: what was said by the others in the background when Kate and Sawyer were working?

[truffula]

Request: what was said by the others in the background when Kate and Sawyer were working?
If you're referring to the conversation between Pickett and Juliet before Juliet asks Kate to put on the hood, here's what I heard:

Pickett: I don't understand, it was supposed to be two weeks
Juliet: Our schedule's been moved up
Pickett: Is that an order?
Juliet: Coming from him.
Pickett: its stupid
Juliet: its not my call, its the way it is

[island_maverick]

By the way...I think the way this part of the forum has been organized is sensational. Thanks for the great work moderators!:Cheers:dharmapup2, if you're referring to the T&S forum and its index, thank you. Glad you like how its arranged. :Cheers:

If you're referring to the conversation between Pickett and Juliet before Juliet asks Kate to put on the hood, here's what I heard:

Pickett: I don't understand, it was supposed to be two weeks
Juliet: Our schedule's been moved up
Pickett: Is that an order?
Juliet: Coming from him.
Pickett: its stupid
Juliet: its not my call, its the way it is
Nice catch, Truff.

The power of Him is clearly unquestionable. Juliet is acting without even bothering to rationalise or challenge the decision.

[Fourtoes]

If you're referring to the conversation between Pickett and Juliet before Juliet asks Kate to put on the hood, here's what I heard:

Wow, this answers a question we were puzzling about on the Sneaky Kate thread. Speculation about whether it's been 14 days or not. Thanks.

[drabauer]

Yeah thanks Truff!