+ Theory: Nothing to go home to?

[netinc]

All have experienced lose but more importantly, each of them does not have a solid reason to go back…. Just something to think about?

Here are my thoughts:

Jack – lost his dads affection

Kate – Killed the man she loved

Claire – Broke up with the father of her child.

Shannon – She left her boyfriend/Con.

Walt- Lost his mom and the Dad he grew up with

Sayid – His girlfriend (cannot remember her name.) Ran off after escaping. Never to be seen again

Sun – was running away from her husband and Father.

Hurley – Lost his fortune since money does not mean anything on the island. Feels that he brings bad luck to everyone around him and may not want to go back to avoid that.

Jin- Loved his wife but sacrificed the love of his father to be with her…ashamed of him. (Though he reconciled)

Charlie – “lost” his brother when he decided not to reunite with the band

Sawyer – “lost” his happy family due to a con man

Then there is Jin, Michael, Rose and Boone. Each came to the island with a loved one but technically, they lost something too:

Boone- Loved his sister but now he realized that he had to let her go.

Michael –Has not had Walt’s love but he’s coming around…..He did lose the women he loved

Rose - Lost her husband on the flight

Locke - He is the one, in my opinion, who has nothing to go home to. A meaningless job, no friends, and woman who is paid to talk on the phone. There is no way he's going.

Who would Stay due to nothing to go back to:
Sun & Jin - Were running away from her father and all that they had. Not a good idea to go back since the father may catch wind of Jin desire to get away from him. Think MOB.
Walt- burning rafts
Locke- No reason to go
Kate – Wanted
Hurley – The Bad Luck thing (which he really believes) may be play a big factor in him not wanting to go home to the money
Sawyer - Wanted
Rose- Will not go without her Husband

Who would Go back to the real world:
Claire – Would want to raise child in the “real World”
Michael- Would want to raise child in the “real World”
Shannon- She’s shallow and would leave Sayid in a Heartbeat (judging by her past relationships)

Tweeners (people that would have a choice to make):
Jack- The hero won’t leave until all leave.
Charlie- Wont go if Claire stays but would want to get back to being a “rock star”. Maybe do a VH1 behind the music.
Boone – He’ll go if Shannon Stays.
Sayid- Depends on Shannon. He lost his girlfriend once before…it won’t happen again.

This is a bit deeper then the current island living conditions...meaning the people at the beach want to be rescued and while the people at the cave want to build a new civilization. I'm looking at the characters individually from the information we know and basically putting myself in their shoes.

[sylosa]

First.. Hi to all!

And about the theory.. I was just talking about this today, one of the most disturbing factor about most (if not all) of the characters is that they'd be better off staying in the island.
I really think that this bond is stronger than any other.

[Celtic Ceilidh]

So if you follow through in this train of thought, are you saying that the people that died in the plane crash were the ones that did have something worthwhile to go home to?

[brassmunk]

that's a good theory and i agree with it completely. Good job noticing that!

[Coyote1066]

And about the theory.. I was just talking about this today, one of the most disturbing factor about most (if not all) of the characters is that they'd be better off staying in the island.
I really think that this bond is stronger than any other.

Or...perhaps the island, with locke's help, will help them fix or come to terms with their problems before they leave. "Dr. Phil's Island"? :rolleyes

[sylosa]

Or...perhaps the island, with locke's help, will help them fix or come to terms with their problems before they leave.

that's good also.. But I don't think it will be with lockes help.. In my view of things he's the one that least wants to go back.
I'm sure he's afraid that if he leaves the Island,he'll be crippled again.

[Grant King]

Good theory. Maybe those that died were at peace with their lives and it was okay for them to pass on.

[anarane saralonde]

"Good theory. Maybe those that died were at peace with their lives and it was okay for them to pass on."

Umm...I don't know about that. Are you saying that those who endured, survived because they suffered from unresolved personal turmoil? Rose has always seemed to posess some kind inner-peace, even when she was withdrawn and "mourning" the loss of her husband (I emphasize mourning because she doesn't believe her husband died and perhaps her faith is what provides this inner-peace).

Although she has never referred to any children she and her husband might have had, she most likely has some form of family to return to.

[killbuckner]

This ties into a post I made several months ago talking about how the people who give up the desire to leave the island are being rewarded while the people who are trying to actively leave are being attacked. I posted it several months ago and it still is holding up pretty well.

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[anarane saralonde]

Thanks Buckner. I remember that thread.

[Grant King]

I do'nt think we know enough about Rose.I ca'nt remember the last episode she appeared on.

[netinc]

The theory is based on what we know. We dont know much about Rose but from what I've seen she is not leaving the island without her husband.
My reasoning is based on her reaction to Jack telling her that her husband was in the back of the plane when it crashed. I dont know her exact words but she seemed to take offense to Jack's suggestion that her husband was dead. Thats why i feel she's not going anywhere without her husband. She will stay and wait.

This could change if she has kids...but I would bet money if and when we see her episode, that we find out that her kid(s) either dont speak to her, disowned her, or are dead.

[killbuckner]

netinc- the producers are telling you who is more concerned with leaving and who is more concerned with staying by whether the characters are on the beach or in the caves. We don't exactly know why sawyer wants off the island so badly but it is obvious that he does. It looks to me like hurley was content to stay in the caves but now that he has talked to Danielle he has moved to the beach.

[LostInWilderness]

Rose is a tool of the island, she is not one of the main characters being tested. She is the keeper of faith, a reminder of the spiritual, and she's helping the rest to get they need.

I think this theory has some merit, but IMO it doesn't directly apply to Jack, Hurley, Michael, Walt, Boone, or Shannon. Jack, Hurley, Boone, and Shannon can go back to their normal lives. Michael gets to raise the son he never had a chance to raise before. Walt gets a dad who really loves him.

See my What do the characters need theory which has a lot of similarities, and some holes as well.

[anarane saralonde]

I used Rose as an example as a reminder that not everyone on the island is suffering from some sort of inner-turmoil, at least not outright. We know she's not a main character but she IS one of the survivors nonetheless and most likely has "something to go home to", if that opportunity ever happens and if she's willing to leave. Would she leave her husband "behind"? I don't know and any guess would be spectulative at best.

[netinc]

What I saw in Episode 19 (Deus Ex Machina) continued to add my speculation. This episode clearly connects Locke to the other survivors who have had a rough family life. This episode unquestionably ties Locke into a reoccurring theme of family or a lack there of. Through the course of this season each of the survivors familis are becoming more a part of why they are on the island or why they don’t want to go. This is purely speculative But I find it amazing how each of these people have their "issues" when it comes to family or loved ones.
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[LoStMyMiNd]

I think that we will probably see a back story for Rose later on. I also think she is being downplayed because she IS a key figure in the story.

[drabauer]

According to the producers, the actress who plays Rose was in a play, resulting in her absence from many episodes, but she will be back.

[netinc]

You could say that Shannon now has expierence her lose of a loved one. I not sure where she fits into this theory but technically she has nothing to go home to either since her closets family she had has died.

[anarane saralonde]

I would think Shannon has her money (and family business) to go home to. I find it hard to believe that Boone was the only one who had access to the family money. Granted, she'd go "Boone-less" if she was to leave the island but it's not like she doesn't have anything to return home to. Just because there's a death in your immediate family doesn't mean you can't survive without them or completely lack the desire to pick up the pieces and move on with your life.

Just my two cents....

[Kimber and Bunny]

Rose is a tool of the island, she is not one of the main characters being tested. She is the keeper of faith, a reminder of the spiritual, and she's helping the rest to get they need.

Ok, since ya'll are bringing her up...
Where is she??? I can't remember even seeing her in the background for the last few episodes...

[netinc]

"I would think Shannon has her money (and family business) to go home to. I find it hard to believe that Boone was the only one who had access to the family money. Granted, she'd go "Boone-less" if she was to leave the island but it's not like she doesn't have anything to return home to...."


From what we know of Shannon she is not involved with the business or her mom that is why she pulls "cons" to get money from Boone. Boone was her Cash Cow and Savior with that gone she may feel very vulnerable.

The death of family or loved one has repeated in each of the characters lives. They can pick up the pieces but try to see it as an "old school romantic". An average reader of Romeo and Juliet, for example, would think Juliet is nuts for Killing herself but from the romantic perspective its pretty intense.

[anarane saralonde]

From what we know of Shannon she is not involved with the business or her mom that is why she pulls "cons" to get money from Boone. Boone was her Cash Cow and Savior with that gone she may feel very vulnerable.

From what we know of her so far.........but I doubt she was ever hard up for money. What little we know of Shannon was shown through Boone's flashback. We don't even know what her motivation was to swindle money out of Boone. Do you know if she really needed the money? How do you know it wasn't some disturbed little head game she was playing?

The death of family or loved one has repeated in each of the characters lives. They can pick up the pieces but try to see it as an "old school romantic". An average reader of Romeo and Juliet, for example, would think Juliet is nuts for Killing herself but from the romantic perspective its pretty intense.

Yes, Romeo and Juliet was "pretty intense" but I wouldn't compare Boone and Shannon to Romeo and Juliet just yet.
By the way, who has Sun or Jin lost to death?

[drabauer]

Kimber et al,

READ THE MESSAGE ONLY 4 POSTS ABOVE!!!!!!!

[netinc]

Anarane,
I apologize for make a generality. Not all characters have experienced a death. But I think your missing my point of my original theory of "having nothing to go home to" or better yet a concrete reason to go back. Jin and Sun did not have a family member or loved one die. As I mentioned in my original post, they do not want to go back due to her father's shady business. They were leaving their home to start a new life in America. I think to some extent that they have achieved their goal to be far from her father. Starting over as if they were in the witness relocation program and dead to their family and friends.
Your right about Shannon as well. We do not know enough about her. I went by what I interpreted in Boone's flashback.

A lot of what I'm theorizing is purely speculative just like all the other theories on the board. The theories and speculation found on this site is a direct result of our "Junkie like" addiction to the show.

[anarane saralonde]

Netinc,
There's no need to apologize, that's what the forum is for - lively conversation and debate. I wasn't trying to blow holes in your theory either. I've read some of your other previous posts and find them interesting. I actually do understand your point.
My aim (which I suppose wasn't written clearly) was to point out that the majority of the survivors appear not to have much to return home to but it's still too soon to determine if this is a fact. Boone's death will impact Shannon of course but we don't know if it would be enough for her to give up civilization and remain on the island - at least not yet. Yes, we all have our own theories and speculations as to the reasons that drive the survivors to the actions we've been shown so far but from that one Boone back-story, Shannon didn't appear desperate for money nor did it appear she needed Boone as her cash-cow. Yes, she loved Boone but if given the opportunity to get safely off that island, I'm betting she'd leave because she's got something to go back to whether it's the family business, money, friends or just the desire to return to civilization.

[Homer Noodleman]

I have a different take entirely on this... of course they have things to go back to. That's not the problem. The problem is they are a pack of noodleheaded losers who use excuses for the mess they've made of their own lives.

In no particular order...

Hurley -- wins a bajillion dollars and then spends all his time whining he is being chased by "cursed" numbers because life, both good and bad, is going on around him. Noooo... he's not too nuts (BTW my guess is he was in the loony bin because he played Everquest non-stop until he turned into a drooling zombie). But it is not him you see, it is the "cursed" numbers holding him down.

Jack -- Let's see, a surgeon who may or may not be married to the last surviving Stepford wife. Unfortunately, when it comes to the ol' backbone department Jack appears not to be part of the vertebrate kingdom. However, he will charge off on any hair-brained quest that pops into his Kate-addled brain. But, none of it is any of Jacks fault -- his dad was a booze hound after all.

Charlie -- Do I even need to enumerate the ways this little creep has managed to turn himself into the kind of a guy you cross the street to avoid? Let's see... heroin addict, bungling conman, vommiting copier salesman and stalker of pregnant bubbleheads. Yea, he's a prince of a guy. If only his Eeeevil brother (you know, the one who apparently had straightened out his own life) hadn't tempted him down the path of debauchery.

Locke -- Unlikely this clown was ever going to be the poster-boy for over coming his disabilities. Sat around feeling sorry for himself and blowing all his extra cash on his sweetie the phone sex operator. Way to realize your potential big guy. Ah, the heights he could achieve if only he had two kidneys and his job as a Walmart Greeter back.

Claire -- Pretty much a walking punchline to a blonde joke. Gets herself knocked up (and who here doesn't think ditzy Claire forgot to take her pills?), of course her boyfriend is a chump and ditches her pronto, so her decision is to go follow the advice of a psychic! A psychic who ran shrieking from the room last time he saw her no less! Hmmm... worthless scum as a boyfriend, nutty psychic, thinking creepy Charlie and his imaginary peanut butter is cute... are we seeing a pattern here in Claire's choice of men to trust? Grow a brain child.

Kate -- well, my theory of Kate=Alex aside, we don't really know why Kate is mowing down her fellow bank robbers over toy planes, although she did tease us by blubbering about killing the only man she ever loved. Who knows, maybe she burst into flames at her prom because somebody made fun of her dress? Whatever, on this show it is sure to be a doozy... and somebody else's fault.

Sayid -- "Excuse me my dear, while I yank your fingernails out with pliers. Mind you, I only became a Baathist torturer because umm... er... eh... uh... "

Michael -- an unemployed lay-about who can't figure out why his girlfriend ditched him to get a JOB. Well, him getting whacked by a car wasn't all that bad... at least the bum was getting three squares and a warm bed for once in his adult life. Too bad his nutty kid is probably gonna turn him into a jack-in-the-box in a cornfield if he stops having happy thoughts.

Sun -- "What!? Pops is the Godfather of the Korean Mafia? Say it aint so Joe!" Oh yea, she's remotely aware of her surroundings. So, because Pops has her husband out beating the crap out of mid level bureaucrats she better take up English and ditch the poor schmo? After all, the alternative of suggesting her husband get another job that doesn't involve thrashing guys never crosses her mind. Much easier to dump hubby-son and head to California.

Jin -- Mr Integrity denies the existence of his dad so he can bag the bosses daughter, once he dials into what Pops-In-Law really wants he finds the compassion to just beat the snot out of a guy instead of killing him (this visit anyways) -- all this in front of the little girl who's pet dog he took. Not his fault, the only way for a son of a poor fisherman to make it in this world is to become a mafia hit man.

Boone -- well, he's dead so why bother?

Shannon -- poor girl wasn't getting the funds she richly deserved, so time to con her brother out of thousands of dollars and then boink his eyeballs out when she gets caught scamming him. What's a poor girl to do when her allowance isn't large enough?

Sawyer -- Yeesh, poor kid, but is taking the conman's name and committing the same crime really the smartest of solutions? Being so full of hate you gun down anybody you're pointed at? He turned himself into the person he hates for exactly what reason? Because to do otherwise would be to admit that he, and not some long gone hustler, controls his actions. Easier to be a cheat and a liar and blame it on somebody else.

The point I'm making is these people are responding to problems by making excuses and blaming others instead of showing a shred of character. People get dumped by their lovers, or saddled with screwy relatives, or catch bad breaks in life all the time. Most people rise above those problems. The few that don't are basically sniveling idiots. Admit it -- you've met the Drama Kings and Queens in workplace break rooms or outside of school classes and you've ran screaming when they started with the non-stop litany of why it isn't their fault they're losers.

It isn't they have nothing to go back to -- it is that they screwed their lives up with their own stupid behavior. That's how they are really lost. The island strips all those excuses away -- really and truly gives them a chance to rebuild their lives in their new society. However, to do that they first have to put their excuses away and face themselves in the mirror. In the end it is not magic monsters that will save them, they have to come out of their self-absorbtion and make themselves better people.

[LoStMyMiNd]

Homer that was right on! Excellent post!!

[anarane saralonde]

So Homer, tell us how you really feel.....:lol

I'd been thinking along that same vein of thought Homer but not for all the main characters - just Charlie, Sawyer, Claire and a couple others. Still you've pointed out valid (and annoying) points to each of the characters. Bravo!

[netinc]

It isn't they have nothing to go back to -- it is that they screwed their lives up with their own stupid behavior. That's how they are really lost. The island strips all those excuses away -- really and truly gives them a chance to rebuild their lives in their new society. However, to do that they first have to put their excuses away and face themselves in the mirror. In the end it is not magic monsters that will save them, they have to come out of their self-absorbtion and make themselves better people.

Homer,

After reading your theory I think were on the same page in many ways. My post points out that the survivors are responding to their lose in a "hopeless" way. They've given up and this island is their "Clean Slate".
I agree that they have some reasons to go back but deep inside Do they really want to go back? The Island is the only place in the world were Kate & Sawyer are not convicts and where Locke is not a stock boy.
I think that main difference in our theories comes down to your idea of them helping themselves and eventually leaving the island.
As opposed to what I think: That they will continue living on the island by choice as an escape from the Real world and their past.
If you take both theories you could come to the a couple conclusions that once they Help themselves that some will leave but some will want to stay (Locke being my first candidate to stay).

[Homer Noodleman]

Net,

I see where you're coming from, but realistically, if they were on a desert island none of the characters, with the possible exception of Locke, would stay on it given a chance to get off.

The reason? They would know full well they would likely be dead within a year or two if they stayed. Already, discounting the Marshall who died from the plane crash, four people -- the pilot, the woman swimming, Boone and the guy murdered on the beach -- have died. One death every ten days. And they also know there is something unseen, but extremely dangerous, lurking in the forest which also holds Polar Bears, boars (very dangerous animals in reality) nutty French mass murderers and Ethan's buddies.

However, all of that pondering only matters in the world of real people. One of the problems with the show is people in the Lost World act in utterly fantastic and unbelievable ways. For example, why bother building a raft when it is abundantly obvious that they are not on a deserted island? Even these lazy boneheads should be able to figure out that cables running through the jungle, rope bridges over disappearing chasms, Ethan wandering out of the underbrush and the crazy French lady TELLING them that there were other people living by the radio tower all point to the island being inhabited.

Realistically they wouldn't build a raft, sit in a cave or lay around on the beach -- they would pack up and go look for that settlement by the radio tower.

I've said it before, winking at the audience by having Hurley point out not looking for a giant honking monster is unbelievable doesn't cover up what is increasingly looking like lazy or inept writing. It is harder and harder for me to spend too much time worrying about minute little details being clues, because more and more the details just seem to be nonsense slap-dashed together to move the soap opera forward and then forgotten.

[futureidol]

Homer: I'm slightly offended by what you said about Claire, although I think you're being facetious. I for one believe Claire did NOT forget to take her birth control pills, nor do I think Thomas is the father. And just because Claire believes in astrology, psychics, etc, and happens to be a blond doesn't make her stupid. I guess our society will never stop making blond jokes, but I for one am sick of it. I'm sorry if you can't handle our golden tresses, maybe you're jealous. I know you were joking, and the rest of your post is pretty funny.

Moving on. I thought I would add more death related lists:

Islanders who have killed
Kate > "the man she loved"
Ethan > Steve (speculation)
Charlie > Ethan
Danielle > her crew
Sawyer > the wrong man
Sayid > Iraqi guard
Walt > his mother (speculation)
Locke > Boone (if you believe Locke knew what would happen to him and could have prevented it, I'm still wavering on this one)

Deaths of the Past
Christian Shepard (Jack's father)
Sawyer's mother and father
Walt's mother
Hurley's grandfather
Shannon's father
Boone's nanny

Dead Found on the Island
"Adam & Eve"
Underwater Passengers
Nigerian "Priest"
Nigerian Pilots

Island Death Toll
Man sucked into jet engine 50
Pilot 49
Marshall 48
Joanna aka Swimming Woman 47
Steve 46
Ethan 45
Boone 44 :(

That's a whole lot of death, it's got to mean something. Oh yeah and I agree, life is better on the island. BUT I don't think the island is as good as Locke thinks it is.

[jekelish]

well, futureidol (and welcome back, you seem to have been absent for quite awhile), if you're keeping strict count of the deaths on the island...don't forget everyone in the other section of the plane. how many passengers were on the plane, total? probably in the neighborhood of 120-130? 44 passengers left...thats a whole heapin helping of death.

:hat

[Homer Noodleman]

futureidol,

Hehehe... now you've gone and tempted me to tell more lame blond jokes.

I can't say I think going to a psychic and then allowing him to talk you into flying to LA to sell your baby shows good judgment at all.

She does strike me as being a bit of a dim-bulb, but I'll concede that is only my impression at this moment and I could easily be wrong. Regardless, that really wasn't my central criticism of her. She seems to have to have an attraction to flighty and irresponsible men. I've known very intelligent woman who mess their lives up due to the same short-sightedness.

In the context of that post... I was pointing out that all of the characters some how or another externalized their problems. In Claire's case she can seemingly point to men around her letting her down (the lack of parents to help her in Australia is of interest BTW), but the reality is that it is her pattern of picking such men that really cause her the problems.

That's what I was trying to drive at when I said they all have to look in the mirror and realize it is them and not external forces leading to their problems.

[Homer Noodleman]

BTW, nice list. But Walt killing his mother? Yikes, I too consider the little brat to be a monster, but had never thought of that. Was there a scene or something that led to that thought, or is it just a hunch on your part?

[DohBoy]

Well ... Claire has something to go home to ...




Peanut butter. :|

[llywrch]

Hurley -- wins a bajillion dollars and then spends all his time whining he is being chased by "cursed" numbers because life, both good and bad, is going on around him. Noooo... he's not too nuts (BTW my guess is he was in the loony bin because he played Everquest non-stop until he turned into a drooling zombie). But it is not him you see, it is the "cursed" numbers holding him down.

I think Hurley's story is a little more complex than that. Frankly, if I was in his situation, I'd want to know where those numbers came from, & determine for my own peace of mind whether they are actually "cursed" -- or it's just a bizarre coincidence.

And instead of "whining", Hurley actually goes out & undertakes an investigation: he visits the psych ward where he got the numbers, follows the trail to Australia, & when they reappear on the island, tracks down Danielle & talks to her. He does a lot more than the other Survivors, who admittedly sit around on a beach, waiting for rescue, & never investigate the possibility they might just be just over the hill from civilization -- say, the capital of Fuji or Tonga.

But if I had over 150 million waiting for me back at home, I'd be very motivated to return; that much money just doesn't quietly sit around for its owner to return, like a box of sea shells left in a vacation cabin might over the winter months. Hurley seems very unconcerned about that -- as if he'd be just as content to go back to work at the Chicken Shack when he returned home.

Geoff

[futureidol]

BTW, nice list. But Walt killing his mother? Yikes, I too consider the little brat to be a monster, but had never thought of that. Was there a scene or something that led to that thought, or is it just a hunch on your part?

Quite a few people think that Walt killed his mother with his telepathic power. In the scene where Walt is doing his homework and the bird splatters against the window, Walt's mother isn't paying attention to him at all and seems to talk down to him. Suddenly his mother doesn't feel well, and Walt's stepfather sort of gives Walt a scared look about the bird and perhaps the impending doom of the mother. Also Walt seems to care less that his mother passed. When Michael went to Australia days after the mother died Walt seemed perfectly fine, almost oblivious. I don't think Walt has control of his power, and any given thought can manifest itself, mostly by accident. However all the events that happen due to his thoughts are pretty terrible. And Walt's step dad did tell Michael that other strange things have happened in the presence of Walt. He was so scared of the boy he did everything in his power to get away from him. That can't be good.

As for Claire... I wouldn't underestimate her. She is the only one of the 14 (now 13) main characters that has kept a record of the islands events. And as we are given clues, so are the castaways, so it's good to write down things that could add up to the big picture. And she didn't want to stay with Thomas or have the baby, but she trusted him enough to give it a go. Now I don't think that was smart, but obviously she's a good natured, sweet person who tries to do the right thing. She just seemed fated to have the child by a series of unfortunate, bizarre, etc. events. I mean if that psychic was that passionate about my keeping my baby... well I probably would have made the same choice she did. Naive or not, she's an interesting, strong willed, magnetic, and wonderful character. In fact she's the only character on the show who hasn't annoyed me at one point or another, besides Locke and Sayid.
And Charlie is a nice and charming person who has now left all his baggage behind him. His character was noble before his addiction and is now noble again. Why wouldn't Claire, a like minded person, be drawn to Charlie? He's a good friend for her. I just like Claire a lot, and I wish her 2nd episode would be the next one or the one after, but alas no.

[byMaX]

I wasn't reading all that carefully, so correct me if i'm wrong but, I don't think that nobody pointed out that they're all got what they wanted on the island... How?

Well...
Here are my thoughts:

Jack wants to save people. Couldn't let go. Needs to be a hero. Didn't really love his wife that much, and he needed a girl that's not similar to him. He needed someone like Kate.

Kate - well, she's wanted. And, she wants to be loved, right?

Claire - wanted to raise the child with someone who'll love her no matter what.

Shannon - gosh! Deep inside, she wanted to feel useful, she wanted to live different life, stop being wealthy biatch and snob.

Walt- wants his son. To bond with him, raise him in his way, and make his kid feel proud of what he did.

Sayid - wants to end that mess (believe me, I'm from Serbia, so I know what it feels like to be bombed, too :) ). He's sensitive and romantic... wants to relive his feelings and his long lost love for a specific woman.

Sun - runs away from her father. Couldn't leave husband. Wanted to live somewhere she could speak English ;)

Hurley – wants to lose weight (:D ), and get rid of that awful curse!

Jin- wants to be with his wife, no matter what. And he's happy cause he ran away from that mobster of her father.


Charlie – well, he wants to take care of someone, be respected and... to get rid of the addiction.

Sawyer – wants to get over all those bad things that happened to him in life. Years ago and just before the crash. Wanted, too.


Boone - get that biatchy sis out of his head. I don't know...

Michael - he's just a kid. But he did want someone to be his real father. I have some feeling that his stepfather never treated him all that well. He only wanted his mother, right?

Rose - we don't know about her much, yet.

Locke - the key player... He has NO REASON to go home to. Island bought him walkabouts, life in wilderness, ability to walk again and more wisdom...

Is this enough...

[anarane saralonde]

Max,
I just read your post and while I understand the points you're trying to make, there are some examples that don't quite fit in to the theory none of the survivors have anything to go home to.

Jack wants to save people. Couldn't let go. Needs to be a hero. Didn't really love his wife that much, and he needed a girl that's not similar to him. He needed someone like Kate.

How does that theorize he has nothing to go home to? Now that he's "found" Kate, he longs to remain on the island because she's there too? Jack's character doesn't strike me as the type to want to stay on an island just because he develops feelings for a woman, despite her situation and/or complications. Has he fallen in love with Kate? Maybe but that's not enough motivation for him to desire to remain on the island. We know he's got a professional career and a mother to return home to. He's not going to forfeit his life and career to stay on the island with Kate. Besides, she was being expedited to the US to stand trial, so she hasn't been convicted yet.

Sawyer – wants to get over all those bad things that happened to him in life. Years ago and just before the crash. Wanted, too.

In order for Sawyer to "get over all those bad things that happened to him", he needed to seek out the man who wronged him. Since he's been seeking this man for years, he's still motivated to finish what he started. Thus, he has something to go home to - revenge.



"Me fail English? that's unpossible!" - Ralph Wiggum

[Homer Noodleman]

futureidol,

Ahh... reading it that way I can see why some folks would think Walt did in dear old mums. I figured it was just some clunky exposition setting up her impending demise. As for Walt's indifference -- nobody on the densely populated desert island appears to really give a hoot they've been stranded, or anything else for that matter. His oblivion didn't seem any different than any of the other character's oblivion.

You certainly have more faith in Charlie than I do. I figure Claire already has one helpless infant to tend to, her hooking up with Charlie would only double the number.

[byMaX]

anarane, maybe I didn't put it quite well... Except Locke, no one really wants to stay on the island... Every normal man who lived in civilisation wants to go back there, but inside, I think Jack could be happier there... if there wasn't for those unexplainable things, ofcourse. Maybe Sawyer understood that he shouldn't chase the man who destroyed his life after killing an innocent man. Are you sure he'd live his life that way any further after what happened with the guy from the burgerbooth? I think that sort of changed him a bit...

[anarane saralonde]

Are you sure he'd live his life that way any further after what happened with the guy from the burgerbooth? I think that sort of changed him a bit...

You've brought up a great question that hasn't been discussed on the boards yet (correct me if I'm wrong - which I know someone will).

Maybe, maybe not. One would think his motivational drive would be questioned after shooting the wrong man but it's Sawyer and he's got a tough reserve to him. It's difficult to self-analyze when one's so emotionally driven.


"When I grow up, I want to be a principal or a caterpillar." - Ralph Wiggum

[byMaX]

Finally - a Misplaced newbie makes a fresh point ;)

What do you guys make of it? (Sawyer's case)

[Homer Noodleman]

They've left their history behind, but not their baggage. If they act realistically (and admittedly that is a stretch on this show) they should more or less continue to pursue the same tactics they did in their previous life until they learn different.

There was an old genre of literature where WWIII or some other cataclysm would occur (the old book Alas Babylon comes to mind) and each of the persons would then grow or change, but that was only gradually and after some time in their new surroundings. In those books and movies the characters would first be introduced, then about a third of the way through whatever apocalypse occurred would destroy the world, and then the final two thirds would show all of the characters adjusting -- some for the better, some for the worse.

I think JJ may be doing a similar sort of a story, but TV requires we get to our clanking monsters pronto, so he has had to shoehorn in their previous personalities via the flashbacks. Hopefully those won't run forever.

Yeesh, thank God for edit.

[netinc]

ByMax,

In my previous posts I pointed out Jack as being the Hero. And As a hero he would not leave the island until all the people are helped or rescued (in my opinion) He's a reluctant Hero who will die before leaving any one person behind. Compare his character to a tragic hero. You know the type.... The one who would stay behind to ignite a bomb while the others are being resued.

This may even be true if we find out that Jack has a Military Background (Army Dr.). If so then we know "NO One Gets Left behind"

Net

[drabauer]

This may be possible netinc--it would explain nicely how Jack's tatoos might fit into his overall character arc.

[byMaX]

tattoos and his bravery... I mean, he even got the time to flirt a bit with Kate while she was sawing him up ;) Military theory - that's a good one, nentic...

[netinc]

Been away for a bit.....

Is it me or did Sawyer realize that he wanted to stay on the island in the last episodes? He needed Kate to give him confirmation of why he wants to stay....And I feel that Sawyer being shot will only confirm that his place is on the island and not as a fugitive back home. The island is his redemption.