+ The monster

[lacenaire]

The history of this thread about the monster is this:

The knocked down trees:
- The Elephant or the pissed off giraffe


The Mechanical sounds and chain clanking:
- The Giant Mechanical sloth -->> Product of the script hoax (see below)
- A giant robot

The uprooted trees + squawks + fluttering of wings: these suggested these interpretations:

- The Giant Bird
- The Giant Snake


The Smoke element suggested:

- Nanobots
- Kentaro Washio's theory about a transgenetic beast that can teleport between universes/dimensions.
- The shapeshifter: ChanceGardener's the Stobor (a theory he formulated much before the black smoke ever appeared).


The Script hoax
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First Appearance: Pilot

Second Appearance: Locke

Third appearance: Boone

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Fourth appearance: Exodus
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Is it just a "smokescreen"?
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5th appearance: Ecko'

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What is going on here?

What's a stobor?
It's a creature from R. E. Heinlein's "A tunnel in the Sky"
The stobor was fictional, a ploy to keep the students alert during the survival test. The students, after the nova kept them on the exercise planet longer than expected, assigned the name stobor to an animal they formerly called "dopey joes" when the creatures became suddenly vicious

CHANCE GARDENER'S POST.

Interesting fact that.

A hallucination threw a coconut at Hurley and hit him. A hallucination we know IS a hallucination. What if, for the sake of argument, Hurley wasn't hallucinating being hit with a coconut? What if, on the island, Hurley WAS talking to Dave for real?


What if --- Dave ----










was the Stobor?


That Jack's dad was the stobor? The whispers are the stobor?

Remember Eko's ep when the stobor faced him? The flashes of Eko's life we saw? What if the stobor was reading Eko's mind? And saw nothing in his mind that triggered it to operate?

What if the stobor is an experiment gone wrong?
That it was created to react to mental trauma and physically manifest that object of obsession and then interact with the "patient" in order for them to "face" their fears, their past, their demons? And what if the stobor became self aware during this and decided to interpret what it saw and decide how to deal with it in a way it felt was best?

Dave was an imaginary friend that Hurley used to bolster and support his eating habits as a form of self punishment for the deaths because of the deck collapse. When Hurley realized what Dave was, Dave went away and Hurley got better. But then he won the lotto with the numbers and thinks he is now cursed - a similar mental state he was experiencing after the deck collapse if you think on it.

Hurley has been feeling this on the island, near the stobor at times. For some reason (not tied to ratings thank you) Hurley confesses his old crime of eating to Libby, "freeing" himself from that habit yet again. Then he discovers there is more food - and that triggers the curse idea in his head.
The stobor, who has been on the fringes of the lostaways, recording, learning, analyzing, senses the mental stew taking place in Hurley's mind and decides to act.

It becomes Dave. And instead of urging Hurley to self-destruction via eating, he urges Hurley to do it directly by jumping off the cliff. Then jumps himself, into the water. AFTER getting back the part of itself that was the slipper. And if it weren't for Libby, Hurley would have jumped.

Now, perhaps the stobor knew Libby was near and would try to save Hurley and the happy ending we saw was what it was working towards. Or the stobor was simply trying to lead Hurley into an action that gave Hurley what the stobor thought Hurley really wanted: to be free of the curse.

Anyway, I am beginning to think the stobor is responsible for the hallucinations the lostaways are experiencing.

So, I guess, this thread was really about the stobor...


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[Tanner]

Oh joy of joys, you have found the treewives....

Good find, but, let me point out, not to disprove your shot or anything, or take away from the cool factor, but this is from Boone's hallucination, is it not? If not, ever better, but if it is, remember, hallucination isn't reality, though, it might be somewhat related.

[Killerlampshade]

I thought it was just uprooting trees...

[CJDAs2003]

Maybe it's just me but doesn't the picture on the top left look like Gumby. Maybe Pokey will come out in the next couple episodes too.

CJ

[estoy perdido y contento]

I have no idea what I was looking at. Tree Trunks?

[Australopithecus]

Thanks for the shitty resolution pics, I can't make anything out.

[estoy perdido y contento]

I'm sorry lacenaire I don't see anything. Unless the monster is an Ent or one of their missing Ent wives, I don't think what I saw could be anything jumping unless, hohummmmm it............was............hmmmmm..........Treeb eard.
I do however applaude your keen eye. Whatever it was it wasn't getting by you!

[ClaireAndCharlie]

IN pic #2 it kinda looks like Locke is walking toward them in the background.....

[estoy perdido y contento]

You are all on drugs!---------------




Now I am too.... I see "sailboats, the ocean, and some of those big-tittie mermaids doin that lesbian sh**"(Mallrats)

[RunLoganRun]

This scene was dissected in an older thread - do not remember the name of it - but, in this thread someone concluded that the 'uprooted trees' were infact a pair of giant bird legs. So, I do not think that you are crazy or taking drugs - supposedly we will get a better glimpse of the monster before the end of the season. Also, when Shannon was picked up by the monster - it looked like she was picked up by a bird of prey.

[LoStMyMiNd]

Well I don't know if those are trees or vines but it sort of looks like there is a face in them

[nova chrombot]

I am very willing to believe that the creature was the trees, but I am not sure if I believe that actually happened yet, as boone was not actually talking to shannon in that scene. What he saw may also have been fake.

[Black Dahlia]

Lacenaire - try Photobucket (http://www.photobucket.com).

Not only can you upload larger pictures there (300 Kb? I forget, maybe even larger) but your account there has a monthly usage limit rather than a daily limit, so we wouldn't be seeing that red X for a couple more weeks.

[Claire]

Maybe it's just me but doesn't the picture on the top left look like Gumby. Maybe Pokey will come out in the next couple episodes too.

lol! I don't think that that was the monster. It was most likely trees that were being "uprooted"

[Chance Gardener]

It rather looked like a larger version of the boar trap used in "The Moth" episode. And that a modern day Monster from the Id set it off, but was apparently not caught.



I like to watch

[strynightangel]

I saved screen cap to take a closer look, and I did notice something that is in frame 2 that is not in frame 1.

I circled the same spot with yellow. It looks like that it might be a person, but it is kinda blurry. I know it was brought up before, but the coloring suggests Locke, although whatever it is might just be too far away to tell particularly. Who knows, it just might be a member of the crew who accidentally walked through the set.

I had to break the images up to be able to take a good look.


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[RunLoganRun]

That photo is just plain creepy - looks just like one of those 'praying mantis' aliens that people describe when they get abducted by UFOs. Also, it looks like a sleestak from Land of the Lost - now there was quality Saturday morning entertainment. But, I can not imagine that they would take the time to put in an alien special effect like that.

[Coyote1066]

The first of the two zoomed images does kinda look like a bald guy wearing a blue shirt...maybe a crew member accidentally walked into the scene. :D I have a screen cap with a boat out in the water...I'll see if I can find it.

[TheBigCat]

Quick, somebody find a screen cap from Star Trek showing a stage technician opening the turbolift door. I've seen the footage, but I can't remember what episode it is from.

[Aimee H]

Doesn't it look like someone is hiding behind one of the trees in pic #s 3 & 4 ?

[Aimee H]

I've circled what I am talking about.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y74/aimh/monster.bmp

[ThatHippieKid]

woah... thats actually kinda freaky...

Oh joy of joys, you have found the treewives....

OMG!!! If you are talking of the Entwives from LotR, :rollin :rollin !!! Very clever :p

[tanuki314159]

Nah the monster is Hogzilla.http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/050222/050322_hogzilla_vlrg_7a.vlarge.jpg

which was real BTW.Hogzilla Real could feed group for weeks (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7264865/?GT1=6305)

[TheHammerOfGod]

It looks like a bird/dragon creature to me.

[JusteenKase]

lacenaire I applaud you. I can see it clearly, might be something wrong their screens.

Actually tree creatures coming to life is not a new idea, If you saw The Lord of Rings or Laura Croft in Tomb Raiders, you know what I mean.

[Tanner]

OMG!!! If you are talking of the Entwives from LotR, !!! Very clever

Yes, yes, entwives, I couldn't recall, and I didn't bother to look it up. Thanks for the compliment

[faketree]

All I see is a whole bunch of nothing.

I like the idea of a giant bird though. I definitely seemed like the pilot was pecked out of the cockpit like birdseed. Or like a snake thrusting to attack.

[llywrch]

I'm offering my two cents about these screencaps with the suspicion that everything I'm about to say has been said in another thread that I haven't seen & can't find.

Let's simply look at the background of these 4 pictures -- the jungle behind Boone & Shannon. There's a sizable tree trunk behind Shannon, & a less substantial branch from the lower right to the upper left between them in all 4 shots. What changes in these 4 caps is a second tree behind Shannon (which is bent, then disappears into the brownish blob behind her), & a smaller tree between them (which disappears entirely). If I remember the episode correctly, at the same time there is a startling crash.

The simplest interpretation is that something (which we never see) has uprooted both trees. This would explain the motion in the jungle behind them. And it matches what we know of the monster from the first episode: there was something in the jungle either uprooting or knocking down trees.

And it also would match all of what Boone knows of the monster; this is, after all, Boone's drug-induced hallucination.

But thanks for the screencaps, Lacenaire. I watched this episode twice, & both times the monster with such a shock that I found it hard to figure out just how it arrived, & whether there was any hints about it in this scene.

Geoff

[StormalongBay]

During the replay last night, I noticed the shadow of the monster on the thicket where Boone and Shannon were hiding.
Does anyone have a screencap of that scene?
It did look like it had three heads.

*Edited for typos

[faketree]

It looks like a big Boa Constrictor or Python head in attack position. This would explain steve/scott and the pilot having their bones crushed. But why wouldn't it eat them? You would think it was killing them for food.

Unless something controls the monster and tells it what to do. Maybe its king/queen of the island, Alex, controling the giant snake, the polar bears, Locke, Walt, etc.

I like it.

[StormalongBay]

Thanks lacenaire.

Any chance you have the video frames surrounding this image?
If so, can you post them?
I thought I saw a shadow with three of something.
3 Heads, 2 wings and a head ... not sure.

[HortenseHysteria]

Well it definetly wasn't a tree. I thought I heard it making a noise kind of like a snake, a cross between a snake and a bird a sort of hiss and caw.

[StormalongBay]

The reason I mention this shadow is from what was said by one of the writers.
"Actually, we showed the shadow of the so-called monster during the (aforementioned) Boone episode," Burk says. "We were going to reveal it then, but because of the success of the show, we will put it off for a while."

[russman588]

After watching the episode last night, I saw that the monster was simply uprooting the trees. You can clearly see a part of the ground going up with the trees.

[soup]

I was watching last night very intently, to try and pick up any clue I could about the monster(although, I guess it may be a hallucination), and I definitely heard the same "fluttering" noise, such as wings flapping, right before the monster's appearances. First, when Boone was bound, second, when Boone was with Shannon. I think that and the aforementioned rock-smashing drop of Shannon, lead me to believe it would be a roc or perhaps a Griffin. Maybe a cross between a bird and a snake. Isn't a winged serpant the symbol of a god in some mythos?

Soup!

[thoughtform]

Well the Anunnaki are said to be the first gods of civilization. They arrived here from another place and "created" the royal or priestly caste of humans. This caste of people were hybrids of the Anunnaki and the people native to our planet. This is a creation myth like most creation myths. I think that the symbol of a terrestrial being and a winged being combined in one relates to the nature of humans. We are both divine and earthly. We have a body and a soul. Most ancient cultures have a god symbolized this way to represent our origins and the wisdom of the creator.

[ClairesEvilBaby]

I don't see a darn thang...

[justus99997]

In the circle in the second pic it looks like a head its kinda freaky, but it may just be that im blind and i didnt really see anything.

[thoughtform]

After last night i was thinking it was griffin. They are said to be protectors. They are said to protect gold in the Hyperborean mysteries and myth. They are considered to be sacred in some sense. Protector of whatever is running this island?

[SawyersMuse]

B/c I got to this post so late, I wasn't able to see any of the pictures , so if someone could put them up again , so I know what the heck you are talking about , I would greatly appreciate it.

[HortenseHysteria]

That flapping may be other birds. I noticed whenever the monster was coming near you could hear birds flying like they were scared.

[faketree]

Yes, I understand the clues that seem to link it to being a bird. The crushed bones could very well be a bird dropping the bodies from a decent height. But, why would it travel through the trees, knocking them down, if it could just fly right over them?

I like the 1/2 bird 1/2 serpent theory. That would seem to fit the clues much better than just one or the other.

Either way, why would the monster kill these people not eat them? If it was a snake surely you'd expect it to swallow its prey. And if it was a bird of prey, you'd expect it to actually eat its prey instead of killing them for sport.

[soup]

Yeah, it did chew up the pilot pretty well, but it didn't devour him. And noone else has ended up a tasty treat.:x

What type of tree is that on the island, the one where they are always hiding from the monster: Kate, running away from the plane; Walt, to get away from the "polar bear," and now Boone and Shannon. I may be stretching it a bit ( my favorite thing to do), but I believe those trees may hold a clue to what the monster is or where it resides.8o

Soup!

[TheHammerOfGod]

Well, I like the bird idea, seems like it and the shadow on pg. 1 sure as heck looks like it. But I sware it sounded like a damn Elephant.

[rwprice54]

I think we saw the monster in the first episode. After the plane crash, when the engine blows up on the beach and there is that black flying thing that swoops down towards the plane then swoops up just before the engine explodes. I can't find a picture of it right now though.

[Mellis12]

I saved screen cap to take a closer look, and I did notice something that is in frame 2 that is not in frame 1.

How the heck did you see that?????? It's really cool, but I'd never notice that mysterious figure in 100 years!

[Coyote1066]

I think we saw the monster in the first episode. After the plane crash, when the engine blows up on the beach and there is that black flying thing that swoops down towards the plane then swoops up just before the engine explodes. I can't find a picture of it right now though.


I know what you're talking about, but I think that it was finally put to rest as a CGI artifact (Computer Generated Image error).

I have a question. A lot of folks are talking about the "monster" not eating the pilot, but I don't think the characters ever got the body down. I know it was never shown, but considering how freaked out they were, they probably didn't hang around to bury him. The "monster" may have come back and finished its meal later. I don't think any of the survivors have been back to the cockpit since then, for fear of the "monster", so we don't know what became of the corpses out there.

[RunLoganRun]

Coyote - I for one never decided the "CGI error" was a dead end - I proposed that this was a baby giant bird, or baby monster if you prefer, that was swooping down for a human snack and missed its target. I can not believe that this effect was a mistake - once we see the uncut pilot on DVD then maybe we will know for sure.

[Coyote1066]

Sorry runloganrun, I didn't mean to say it so authoritatively. :D I really don't have an opinion about it either way, but it is kinda creepy.

If anyone wants to see it, you can go here (http://www.livejournal.com/community/lost_tv/533584.html?view=7176528#t7176528). Scroll to the top of the page. The thing we're talking about is what looks to be a flying carpet swooping down on the engine as it explodes. Pay real close attention and you'll see a similar shape to the right of the fireball.

In addition to the discussion on that site there is also one on the Fuselage, here (http://www.thefuselage.com/threaded/index.php?topic=8357.0).

I'll let you guys be the judges.

[RunLoganRun]

This is mostly for the newbies - out of fairness to the posters who have come before you and have already proposed much of what is being discussed in this thread, I wanted to summarize which thoughts are old and which are new:

The monster is a -

Giant Bird (eagle/hawk) - old
Giant Snake - old
Roc (mythological) - old
Griffin (mythological) - new ?
Winged Serpent - new
Elephant (are you serious ?) - new

I am not posting links, since in many cases the threads are no longer active. But, if you do your newbie research you will find the theories that have come before you...

I think that we can rule out the imaginary creatures on the list. I am leaning towards a giant bird - but, one that has been genetically altered over many generations. Sort of how scientists engineer larger and better tasting fruits and vegetables.

[Coyote1066]

This is mostly for the newbies - out of fairness to the posters who have come before you and have already proposed much of what is being discussed in this thread, I wanted to summarize which thoughts are old and which are new:

By "you", are you refering to me or am I misinterpreting? :\

Don't forget "pissed off giraffe".

[RunLoganRun]

Coyote - no, not you, as I know that you always do your research before posting. This is a general 'you' - referring to newbies who may not do the research on past threads. Plus, I want the original poster of these ideas to get credit. Newbies sometimes think that they have invented the wheel, if you know what I mean...

[TheHammerOfGod]

Um, I never said I thought it was an Elephant, learn to read please. I think I think its a bird of sorts, but while chasing Boone and Shannon it SOUNDED like an Elephant at least part of the time, that's a fact.

[Coyote1066]

runloganrun,

I know what you mean. :)

I personally don't have any clue to what the "monster" is, but I just don't know why a flying creature wouldn't have been spotted by now. I guess an Elephant is just as valid as any other idea.

[thoughtform]

Heres another one for ya. Mothmen, winged Dracos, Winged serpents, half bat half humans who are the result of genetic experiments and are held in cages 6 or 7 levels underground and some escaped to the surface. Got that from www.fortressofshadow.org/paranormal It was interesting because it said that these kind of man eating things were often seen at places where there are underground facilities i.e. Mt. Weather, West Virginia. I saw a post about this awhile ago,does anyone recall seeing it?

[RunLoganRun]

Wasn't that a movie not too long ago ? I never saw it - someone tell us if it is worth watching. I know that there was a well known sighting of one of these creatures somewhere near the Ohio River - in a tree I think... But, that would fit in nicely with the mysterious flying object and genetic experiments.

Edited to provide mothman link that I found:
www.prairieghosts.com/moth.html (http://www.prairieghosts.com/moth.html)

[thoughtform]

Yeah, it was a movie a couple of years ago. It is based on a book by John Keel who has written other books on ufology. I wasn't aware of the connection of the creature to tunnels before tonight though. I am sure there is a thread for Mothman somewhere though.

[JuniWolfspirit]

Isn't a winged serpent called a wyvern?

[faketree]

Are you guys talking about the Mothman Prophecies with Richard Gere? That was a strange movie. Weirder because I heard it was based on fact.

I still think its a snake and Alex is controlling it, telling it what to do.

[HortenseHysteria]

Here's something for you. Probably no real relation, but I was at the store last night, and in the toy section a friend of mine kept playing with this fake gun that's supposed to have "realistic noises" (never heard a gun sound like that) but the noises actually sounded like the monster.

I heard it and turned and just thought wow that sounds exactly like the monster from Lost.

[thoughtform]

I was reading a post from a while back on another thread and it got me thinking. Hodgepodge observed that every time someone was trying to use a tranceiver or communication device the creature showed. He is right. And after watching the preview for next week, I noticed Boone using the radio in the newly crashed plane to try to call for help. So, do you think that Boone is going to get to see the creature for real this time. I think that means Boone is in trouble!

[Coyote1066]

I still think its a snake and Alex is controlling it, telling it what to do.

I hope not. Sounds too much like the movie "Anaconda(s)"...yuck.

[EvilSawyer]

I have finally got a picture of the monster!!

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[thoughtform]

Now I get it!! This is where Jacko is getting his kids!! Leave it to Michael to come up with a way to get kids and make it look like a government conspiracy. I shoulda known.

[EvilSawyer]

Ohhh...Walt!!
Jacko can catch him and then....

[soup]

Another "Pro" for the bird theory would be the sound of wings fluttering before it appears.

Soup!

[jaystao]

I thought at one point a swarm of moths/butterflies or winged insects at some point. These could be invisible from a distants, though still audible maybe. Perhaps en masse they create some kind of mental projection that people 'preceive' as a monster. Some kind of probability/mental amplifier. As for the trees falling, maybe this is just an illusion of sorts (since there is no obvious sign of the 'beast' afterwards considering how much damage is does). Another idea I had was bats. Lots of batlike creatures tearing at flesh. But wouldn't that make Locke batman?

Another idea comes from the comic book 'the swamp thing' (see the limbo thread) and that was that this 'phenomon' that is the monster discreets some kind of sulpheric acid as a defence mechanism when it encounters strong emotional resonances (such as fear and panic). So the fear projected from the castaways in the cockpit caused this reaction. Locke's initial fear may have been surprise but it seems he was more in a state of wonder afterwards so perhaps that is why he was speared.

PS: For NZ fans. The tree stumps could be the legs of a Giant Moa that is an extinct bird of NZ, also in the region of the south seas.

[thoughtform]

Jays, I had the same kind of idea about the monster being drawn to them by strong emotion like fear or guilt. I go back and forth between that theory and the idea that it shows up when someone is trying to communicate with outside help or send transmissions. I need another appearance by it to decide.

[Maybishudbahippy]

Isn't a winged serpent called a wyvern?

The mascot of my high school is a wyvern, so I have the strange fetish to explain precisely what a wyvern is to anyone who mentions it. A wyvern is, more or less, an agressive winged dragon with two legs and a tail. Now, being a mythological creature, wyverns have had numerous depictions over the years.

After doing a little research, I found that a wyvern usually has bird-like legs. I think this is interesting, very relevant to what we have been seeing. The link is here (http://www.eaudrey.com/myth/wyvern.htm).

The index of the above website is an interesting database of all sorts of mythological creatures, including rocs and griffins (two theories discussed in this thread and other threads probably archived) and you can find that here (http://www.eaudrey.com/myth/index.html).

This passage is taken from a website with lots of info on dragon-like creatures:
Wyvern look much like birds. They have two legs and a pair of wings. Sometimes these wings are depicted as "hands", such that they can claps each other when the wings are folded.

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Also, following along the lines of mythological creatures, I have recently read the Odyssey in school. In Book 12 Circe warns Odysseus of the perils of the Sirens up ahead, bird-like creatures who seduce men into their grasps and then kill them.
The quote from the Odyssey is as follows:
"'First thou shalt arrive where the enchanter Sirens dwell, they who seduce men. The imprudent man who draws near them never returns, for the Sirens, lying in the flower-strewn fields, will charm him with sweet song; but around them the bodies of their victims lie in heaps.'"
A good website all about the Sirens is available here (http://www.sirensongweb.com/pages/the_sirens.htm).

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Now, I have no idea what the monster could be. Personally I'm leaning toward some sort of bird-like creature. I'm just throwing out all of these as possibilities.

[yung23]

its a net going up, just like Lockes boar nets...
spring action..

I was a little part of that missing other thread, the conclusion was never really a bird, some people see legs going up, many others simply saw a net, springing upward with branches and twigs as camo.
It was one of Lockes boar nets, doesn't this sound a little more beleivable than big bird ?

he arranged Boones little trip, maybe Locke was trying to catch it using Boone as bait this time.

he knows it may be different for boone... obviously he thinks why catch what i saw..? what is it really ? maybe I'll catch it in its true form.... 0] :P


BTW- sidenote, another topic.

.. what would have happened if Boone carried "Shannon's" corpse back to camp..? hmmmm....

I wonder why he didn't. (the producers couldn't show it obv.)

imo, there must be two entities... one playing shannon, the other playing the beast attacking her..

that or this one entity doesn't even need to have a physical form, it can build them. mentally.
for many people at once..

wow, this thing must be extremley powerful..

perhaps its the montauk chair, not even an entity, it's still open for discussion, I'm not totally linked to the entity idea...

anyone care to make it "real" ?

[jaystao]

lol. Locke's boar nets. Boone as bait. Never even crossed my mind, but now....

genious Yung23.

[Maybishudbahippy]

So, yung...that is an excellent idea that the explosion/tree lifty-thingie was a boar net. However, are you suggesting that the monster was the one who set it off?

[HortenseHysteria]

everyone keeps talking about wings flapping, but I always assumed those wings were birds flying away when the monster was coming. It seemed in Boones episode, both times the monster was about to come you could hear birds flying away and cawing.

[Maybishudbahippy]

Personally, Hortense, I think that is just an indication that everyone is scared of this thing, even the birds. Or they could just be afraid of movement. Dunno.

[HortenseHysteria]

That's what I was thinking.

I'm also thinking since it is obviously really large, or in the sky, or in the trees it maybe knocks the birds out of trees when it moves by.

Either way I can't seem to pin the flapping on the monster itself, it sounds like a group of smaller birds flying away.

[Maybishudbahippy]

Either way I can't seem to pin the flapping on the monster itself, it sounds like a group of smaller birds flying away.

Unless the monster can 1) flap really, really fast; or 2) it has maybe two hundred wings... :lol

[yung23]

maybe it did set it off, mentally.
remember, it wasn't Boone AND Shannon, it was just boone,
just to re-give you an idea of how powerful this thing must be.


(whether it's tech. or a lifeform, it's powerful, mentally.)

[futureidol]

Tree legs... what? The shadow is the monster, and it looks like a bird to me.

[NeillT006]

Lace:

Did you see this? Property of what?

Link - Lost Media (http://lost-media.com/modules/coppermine/albums/ep-caps/season1/1x19-deus/deux470.jpg)

Neill

[yung23]

lovebirds.com ?

[futureidol]

The monster makes a combination of sounds from the castaways' pasts. You just have to listen carefully.

[truffula]

Very interesting furtureidol,
Gonna listen for those

[johnbox]

OK, I know a lot about the way animals react to stuff, ie outside stimuli. You can tell from bird calls what type of animal is making the birds scared. IE cougar/bobcat you can hear birds both high and low in the forest canopy. Bear only low because it is no threat higher up. The fact that birds are actually scared enough to take flight means that it is threat to the birds. A huge bird would cualify as a threat, but a ground predator would not. Im probally going to get flamed for this but whatever. I know what I am talking about.

[Dogmai]

Did you see this? Property of what? Neill

lostbirds.com

Of course, anyone using Photoshop can do AYBBTU wonders with photos.

[Dogmai]

Although, a website sounds ridiculous. Property is owned by companies.
Maybe something like this:
Property
Of
Lost Bastards Company

:)

[Lost at sea]

John no one is going to flame you for this because you are absolutely right. If the bird senses that it, itself is in danger it is going to take off and since the birds have flew away every time the monster has come around I think it's safe to say that whatever it is is a threat to them which means one of two things 1) It's huge and can get at the birds with ease or 2) It lives in the trees but that doesn't explain the impact tremors that they experience.

[RunLoganRun]

Bumping for newbies. Although I can not confirm it, we may be getting a glimpse of the 'monster' before the season ends. This thread covers a lot of ground regarding what everyone thinks the 'monster' might be - any new speculation ? Fun to guess - but, then again we may not see the 'monster' until season five !

[yung23]

it's still a net.

[MineBlaster]

In regards to it being a threat to birds and the tremors, maybe it's a jumper.

[Ancientwanker]

If the monster was a living creature it would be leaving giant turds that they could see and smell. I dont know how big snake turd is but im sure a giant snake's turd would be easy to see too.

To say nothing of tracks, broken limbs leaving a trail. Locke and Kate can track a boar the size of a large dog through a jungle but cant track something the size of a dinosaur? Ehhhh, bzzzzt. Malfunction.

I dont think its a real, flesh and blood thing.

[zippoblue]

That's true, but they haven't shown the cast running into any polar bear poop either, and the polar bears are real animals there on the island.

Maybe the show has some sort of issue with showing a big pile of crap on TV.

[Ancientwanker]

Just because they've been spotted by the lostaways and mentioned by Danielle doesnt mean the polar bears are real.

It *is* very strange that so much mention of tracking of boars is made and theres never a mention of any other tracks. In the case of the bears it *could* be an oversight on the part of the writers but the monster seems so big it would be an oversight you could drive a truck through.

Id be very disappointed if they reveal a real creature without ever once noticing its impact on the jungle. Thats just lazy.

[Willy10speed]

I am pretty sure the writer's defense will be one that makes you look stupid for asking such questions..........like....why would you track a monster that big? do you want to get eaten or torn apart? who would really follow monster tracks in its territory?...................the same questions apply to real animals in africa like tigers and lions.

it's kinda obvious.

[Ancientwanker]

Noting the tracks would be just as important for avoiding it. Im not saying you have to follow.

Its just probably worth 10 seconds of screentime to say, "hey, look at that fricking footprint", lets not go that way.

[LoStMyMiNd]

Actually Willy10speed, lots of people love to track animals in the wild. Its a hobby to some and there are tons of books out that show how to do it. Its just plain old curiousity. I know I love to track animals in our forests and I am just a simple outdoorsperson not a hunter.

Therefore, I am in the camp that this is not an animal, otherwise out lostaway trackers like Locke and Kate would be really into finding its scat

[NeillT006]

Wanker:

I too have been troubled by this absence of evidence.

Waiter, Where's My Ordure? (http://p073.ezboard.com/flosttheunofficalforumfortheabcseriesfrm29.showMes sageRange?topicID=800.topic&start=41&stop=60)

Neill

[Ancientwanker]

haha, read it..

"have to go to the little monster room"

haaaaaaaa

[RunLoganRun]

Well, I have been in the 'enormous bird' camp for quite some time. I still say the 'monster' has been genetically enlarged over multiple generations. As far as evidence, we did see the shadow of the 'monster' in one episode. We also see it uproot the trees - unless you believe in the 'legs' theory. So, it is making an impact on the terrain. The point about not finding large piles of scat can be explained by the 'bird' doing it's business out over the ocean.

[Ancientwanker]

What about big bird tracks while its knocking stuff over? Plus ive never seen a bird be selective about its poop schedule, I thought they usually dump when they take off to lighten the load.

[RickP66]

I am not sure that the mechanical noises are real or simply the equivalent of background music. It's clear to me after repeated viewings though that what is pulling Locke into the hole is a tendril of black smoke.

[jaimec0re]

it's not background music. rose said the first time it showed up that it sounded familiar. and she's from the bronx. it's definately some sort of mechanical sound coming from the monster. and there were definate sounds of chains and pulleys coming from it. whether that is the same as the obscure smoke/invisible monster, or something else entirely remains to be seen.

[thisbetterbeworthit]

Is this like the electronics/electrical theory joke? The one where they state that smoke makes electrical things run. When something bad happens (i.e. overload) and smoke comes out of the electrical gizmo, the thing stops working. Thus, it must have been the smoke that made it run.

[JFetch]

I just wanted everyone to see these pics too. I think the monster has been in alot of episodes and we just didn't know what to look for. Forgive my ignorance, I don't know how to thumbnail yet.

img268.echo.cx/my.php?ima...5051pl.png (http://img268.echo.cx/my.php?image=capture052720050205051pl.png)
img268.echo.cx/my.php?ima...6077ax.png (http://img268.echo.cx/my.php?image=capture052720050206077ax.png)
img278.echo.cx/my.php?ima...6346mv.png (http://img278.echo.cx/my.php?image=capture052720050206346mv.png)
img273.echo.cx/img273/147...4861ue.jpg (http://img273.echo.cx/img273/1472/744864861ue.jpg)

[Blackhouse]

Mmmm from the oceanic-air.com you can get also this piece of info:

www.xs4all.nl/~olli/pics/monster.jpg (http://www.xs4all.nl/~olli/pics/monster.jpg)

Which says:

Huge, Mechanical and biological. Godlike and profane. A massive, multi-tentacled, robotic beast resembling a primordial mapinguari, only partially obscured in a cloud of aerid smoke!

Then again it says with great big letters NONONO ;)

[drabauer]

Lacenaire, you have outdone yourself with the pics and pans (as in camera pans)! And such a spooky avatar!

I think the 'mist' is a side effect, not a nanocloud, but I could be wrong. Right now I'm more interested in whence comes the monster than in what it actually is.

Does someone directly control it, or is it a vestige of some system left in place decades ago?

[yung23]

http://img176.echo.cx/img176/7582/unmeanteyes8fz.th.jpg (http://img176.echo.cx/my.php?image=unmeanteyes8fz.jpg)

I was playing around as usual...

this was un-intentional.
I used two spheres mapped with a standard cloud fractal.

and I got the same effect ! ( i'm talking about the so called eyes..)

[iluvdom]

Mystery solved!

http://img195.echo.cx/img195/777/zorak8qw.jpg

[Mattie]

http://www.uploadhouse.com/images/790641837lostmonstersm5sq.gif

[yung23]

what episode was that from ?

[LoStMyMiNd]

That was from Exodus II

My husband and I thought the sound it was making when it was dragging Locke was similar to the sound of a winch

[BlackCasket]

Love the pic of Great Ktulu you posted lacenaire.

As a fan of Lovecraft, I think his perspective fits well with the debate about the monster. Lovecraft did not believe in the supernatural, yet he wrote about all kinds of horrific creatures that most people would define as "supernatural." He treated these as reality. Just because you don't believe in something, doesn't make it not real. Just something to think about.

As to the debate of creature vs machine, why couldn't it be both? The dark cloud moved on it's own and I just can but into the idea that it's exhaust or something from an invisible machine. There is also no denying the mechanical noises. Although there are also organic noises heard as well. Perhaps this dark entity has joined itself with machinery, creating a powerful union of the two. Like some kind of technomancy type situation.

Just as Locke is "faith" and Jack is "science," the real power lies somewhere in between.

[thisbetterbeworthit]

The smoke in the scene from Exodus II looks like an invisible bee with a case of bad exhaust (flatulation)!!
Seriously, it is completely possible that the monster that our group has heard and not seen and the "security system" that Danielle referred to are separate items. She would not know that it was the same thing.
Also, do both of them show up in the same area. By that, I mean that bushes moving close to beach area were attibuted to the monster. A security system might refer to something that is guarding and inner island secret.
I mean, there has to be a reason why the island has not been explored in more detail.
As far as the monster, it did kill the pilot, but if it was ferocious and efficient, would it not have killed more than that?
I guess a bigger question is not necessarily what is the monster, but rather, what is it protecting and why?

[Trapin89]

Most people are starting to believe that nano technology theory because its makes so much more sense with the smoke and every thing. Way much better sense than the stuff some people are coming up with like the thing from that supposed spoiler which more likely is a fake because I doubt they would tell us what the monster is just like that is if it even is a monster. But thats just what I think.

[cccourt]

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[Su La Terre]

After watching the clip of the 'smoke' threading through the jungle above, i must say that it looks, to me, a lot more like a smoke trail from some sort of fired projectile than any sort of 'sentient being' in my book.

Of course, that really doesn't explain the second smoke encounter. ;)

[drabauer]

bumping, as I am awarding this the monster thread of the month award.

[boonian androphile]

Here to accept the award for this thread is---the monster!

"Thank you, Thank you, Pretty bird, Pretty bird, I'm the monster, I'm the monster, Purgatory, Purgatory, Squawk, Squawk, Whistle, Whistle, Kate is hot, Kate is hot, Squawk, Squawk, The Numbers are bad, The Numbers are bad, 4 8 15 16 23 42, 4 8 15 16 23 42, Squawk! Squawk! Where's my guitar? Where's my guitar? Heroin! Heroin!"

Thank you monster! Our next award---

"Dont tell me what I cant do! Don't tell me what I cant do!"

Our next award---

"Turning to smoke! Turning to smoke! Turning---"

Bang!!!!!!!

Ladies and Gentlemen, either Arzt has blown himself up again or that parrot is no more. Ha Ha Ha. I know. I cant stop laughing either. Thank you Charlie for your invaluable service to this awards presentation. And now it's ...

[Froshaka]

I kind of don't understand why the 'giant monster...can't be nanobots' idea is even being considdered anymore.

I don't KNOW if its nanobots...but none of the picturres of the creatures we've seen would indicate that it is some normal kind of creature...Look at the pics on this link....it is black smoke and (to give credit to the nanobot idea from Michael Chriton's Prey), a swarm of nanobots might look like black smoke...

www.trekbbs.com/threads/s...art=1 (http://www.trekbbs.com/threads/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=4505115&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1)scroll down some to the animated pics. (http://www.trekbbs.com/threads/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=4505115&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1)

[jonEgrace]

what if the trees that seem to be uprooted are acutlly the legs of this beast as it leaps or moves. It must be tall enough to pluck the pilot from the cockpit of the plane while it was standing, and yet lithe enough to slip down into a hole a bit bigger than Hurley...:rolleyes

[Willy10speed]

howdy all.....finally back.....

the problem with our monster is that it uproots trees when really angry, and it's fast and it can go into small holes......then other times, it only pushes aside trees, seems to be slowly moving and puffs out into a big thing of smoke.
......this is why i subscribe to the nanobot cloud....it could act and size itself as it wanted.....but the problem is still that we can't figure out why.

still there is a good argument for two different things going on, and like our characters - one with good intentions - one with bad intentions.

[Trash]

Hello

im new here, are from Norway and the Lost final is to day i think.

but about the monster. rousseo the women that was on the island before, she said there is no such thing as monsters.
and when the "monster" is on the first episodes you dont see nothing just trees being ript down.
and when locke is attack he is drawn in to the ground.
the hatch on the final they open it and look down far far down in to the ground.

the monster have a mechanical sound to it.. so its kind of a robot,
maybe under the island there is something, that rips down the trees and use it, burn it and make power. like giant claws ripping the trees down in to the ground.

it have to be something under the island.

or am i talking about something else than the monster now?

and locke have seen it, dont remember when but its coming out of the trees and he just stands there shocked.
or is this another polarbear but much bigger.

its much fun to watch the episodes and come here to read about different theorys!

[I Dream of Gina]

Here's conclusive proof that the Monster is actually Mummenschanz:

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y82/lacenaire/56d0775d.jpg

http://www.mummenschanz.com/World/fotoalbum/images/face_jpg.jpg

[drabauer]

:rollin
__:rollin
_____:rollin

[LostInWilderness]

Nice detective work.

[NeillT006]

Does any else think that the sound the monster makes is terribly similar to the metallic sound we hear each time they shot the crashed plane in both crashes?

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A prehistoric bird that Dharma possibly engineered?
The actual size on Lost island would be like 10 times the real thing.
It should have adapted to blend in the tree tops (green wings).

Lace:

It is nice of you to return to this in celebration of the anniversary my first post on the LOST-TV boards:

http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/images/002/statusicon/post_old.gif 11-22-2004, 05:57 PM
neillt006

Join Date: Nov 2004
Posts: 1


http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/images/icons/icon1.gif Black Rock or Black Roc?
The last of the "terror birds" survived in the general area of the South Pacific didn't they?

Beaks and claws = black Roc.

Neill

[Hurley4Prez]

Wow. I remember reading through posts back then from cobra vs. bird camps of monster theorists. We were given so little we didn't have a clue where TPTB were going with it.

[RunLoganRun]

A prehistoric bird that Dharma possibly engineered?
The actual size on Lost island would be like 10 times the real thing.
It should have adapted to blend in the tree tops (green wings).

I think we have already proposed this idea before - maybe, in THIS very thread - deja vu, all over again !

Nice to see a classic thread back in action. Great threads never die - unless, EZ Hack slowly choked them to death.

[LostInWilderness]

Lace:

It is nice of you to return to this in celebration of the anniversary my first post on the LOST-TV boards:

Quote:
images/002/statusicon/post_old.gif 11-22-2004, 05:57 PM
neillt006

Join Date: Nov 2004
Posts: 1


images/icons/icon1.gif Black Rock or Black Roc?
The last of the "terror birds" survived in the general area of the South Pacific didn't they?

Beaks and claws = black Roc.

Neill
Leave it to Neill to save his first post to post on his aniversary. ;)

It's long been argued that the monster sounds like the ripping of the fuselage, now we can add the crashing of the tail. I personally think the monster sound is much more complicated than the metal ripping/crashing sounds.

[RunLoganRun]

All right - so, now people are stealing our giant bird theory from last season ? That is just not acceptable - sure, you can add some crap about the French - but, it is still our theory. The proof is right here in this thread - thankfully not 'lost forever' during EZ-Hack.

[dominic obsesser*]

I am flipping out with this screen capture!

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y82/lacenaire/56d0775d.jpg (http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y82/lacenaire/56d0775d.jpg)
wow...did i miss anything there? i was out stone cold after looking at this awesome....watsit....oh yeah, a picture... bit light headed after that!
but nice one for the pic!

[dominic obsesser*]

Hello

im new here, are from Norway and the Lost final is to day i think.

but about the monster. rousseo the women that was on the island before, she said there is no such thing as monsters.
and when the "monster" is on the first episodes you dont see nothing just trees being ript down.
and when locke is attack he is drawn in to the ground.
the hatch on the final they open it and look down far far down in to the ground.

the monster have a mechanical sound to it.. so its kind of a robot,
maybe under the island there is something, that rips down the trees and use it, burn it and make power. like giant claws ripping the trees down in to the ground.

it have to be something under the island.

or am i talking about something else than the monster now?

and locke have seen it, dont remember when but its coming out of the trees and he just stands there shocked.
or is this another polarbear but much bigger.

its much fun to watch the episodes and come here to read about different theorys!
ur theory is good. i like the way u think......good on ya'!

[Mysterious Mike]

I previously posted an theory that the monster was nanobots and it was shot down pretty quickly but I still think this is the most plausable theroy. I was looking around about nanobots and this site http://www.nanobot.info/ opened my eyes. This site shows that there are many uses of nanobots which could be applicable on the island. In one part it says that true nanobots are for the most part science fiction but doesn't this show seem to involve science fiction. I think the justification for nanobots not being on the island was TPTB said in an interview that nanobots were not involved. Who knows if this isn't just misinformation.

One aspect that is being overlooked is that one of the active projects on the Hanso site is Quest for Extra Terrestrial Intelligence. I don't think I have read one post where this is addressed. Who's to say that this project wasn't successful and Dharma or Hanso has assimilated alien technology or it was given to them. Area 51 does actually exisit so who really knows what technology would be avalible to Hanso. He does have a backround in weapons and made his fortune providing arms. I'm thinking he has ties with the U.S. military.

I don't put any faith in the idea that the monster is an animal i.e. Prehistoric bird or giant snake. In the last episode of season 1 when Locke is being dragged away, if you watch in slo-mo it appears to be a hand or rope around his leg formed from the black smoke if that isn't nanobots then I am totally LOST. If the monster turns out to be an animal I will be extremly dissapointed in the writing.

[Lord SteveO]

Hi there i'm new here.

I can sort of see where you're comming from with the legs and jumping thing. But it's too blurry to really tell. Just looks like trees to me. I seem to recall that bit of the scene was pretty fast, it was hard to tell what it was that moved.

[Mysterious Mike]

I'm not saying it is definatly nanobots I just think they are. The idea that it is a giant bird seems to be really hoaky and for Lost it just seems too easlily explainable. Why would Danielle call it a security system if it were in fact a bird. I don't think there is anyway the monster isn't some sort of machine.

[Mysterious Mike]

lacenaire You obviously haven't read my post and yet you critize it.

The Monster is a Giant Bird (IMO)

The SOUND is a Security System that uses Soundwaves to try and kill the giant bird.



I did in fact read your post but I did go back and reread it. The nanobot theory is just as plausable as the giant bird theory I just don't think it holds water. As I said in my earlier post if the justification for no nanobots is the writers saying that it isn't nanobots, then I believe this is misinformation. If you were to say to the writers the monster is a phase shifted giant falcon that appears as dark matter and is invisible I am sure they would say the same thing.Everything i have read on nanobots and watching the show when the monster is around it looks like nanobots to me.


The monster is probably the most intresting thing to me at this point and I am willing to read any theories on it but the idea of a phase shifted Big Bird seems way off


FINALLY THE REAPPEARANCE OF THE MONSTER IN THE NEXT EPISODE! HOPEFULLY.

[Mysterious Mike]

I guess they are LIVING IN THE LAND OF THE LOST and there are prehistoric monsters all over. If the only justification for it being a giant bird is a picture of a shadow it sounds very thin. I did see the bird in season 1 but I don't think that was the monster or Alice's offspring. I'm thinking it was put in to show how unnerving the Dark Territory is.

[Mysterious Mike]

There is no proof of phase shifting prehistoric birds either. And I would be dissapointed if this were to happen.

[Mysterious Mike]

Like I said (read supra) there are A LOT of proof to support there is a giant bird on the island


like I said in my earlier post"If the only justification for it being a giant bird is a picture of a shadow it sounds very thin"

Where is this so called alot of proof

[Mysterious Mike]

I agree this is becoming a pissing contest but I think you're so called proof looks like speculation. I could use a number of those proofs to explain any number of theories about what the monster is.

[lostmio]

Lace, it's a fun read but the large bird is not a falcon - it doesn't have claws. It has webbed feet, which are not found in the falcon family.
It's likely in the albatross family, which contains the largest birds on the planet. Some varieties make a sound exactly like the one made by the bird.

[NeillT006]

Lace:

While you have been stumping for this "shadow" for some time now, could it be that what we are seeing is an appearance of Old Smokey caught in a frame which coincidentally looks like a bird silhouette?

N.

[lostmio]

The giant falcon is at least 4 stories high, remember it was taller than the trees and the angle from which the shadow is cast is quite oblique indicating its huge size. It can uproot trees like quite easily too.

That other bird you talk about is another example of giant/weird fauna on the island.

My bad, sorry.
And THAT's one big bird!

[LostViking]

Lace,



Is it possible the giant bird is part of the security system? I am thinking this because of the sharks we see in season1. What if all the animals we have seen are part of the island security system.

I have often wondered about the cicada like sound that we hear after the bird-screech. I think it is possible the chain-like sound could be millions of insects moving together.

[NeillT006]

Falcons are all raptors, and all raptors have hooked beaks, with the Falcon's being accentuated by a tominal tooth.

The "shadow" suggests none of this.

N.

[NeillT006]

Also, the largest bird in the fossil record capable of flight was an astounding 3.5 meters tall. This is a might short of 4 stories. I am thinking that there are all sorts of bio-mechanical issues which would arise in scaling up a flighted bird to such enormous dimensions which, presumably, if they could be overcome nature would have already found a way.

N.

[NeillT006]

And a body plan wholly dissimilar from raptor/falcons.

N.

[LostViking]

lacenair:I wrote somewhere about that swans-geese are very loud and territorialistic (also aggresive) birds and that the Romans used them as "watchdogs". They warned the citizens when the Celts were entering the city in 390 BC. I guess dweisspt could very well be totally righ

I would like to be right just once, but this may not be it.'

I don't think there is a different animal guarding each hatch, rather that there is a group of animals (or quite possibly genetically altered animals) working as a group to act as an island security system.

In my own crazy mind, I picture a Rube Goldburg type of system, first the prehistoric bird reacts, then the swarm of locus is startled, then the super fast cicadas grab you, ect. I really think you are right, there is a bird we hear every time smokey appears. I just do not believe it will turn out to be nanobots we saw floating past Kate and Jack or what grabbed Locke. The only answer to that I can think of is altered cicada like animals working in a swarm. Maybe it's more than one bird - a four story tall one and the really big one we saw in exodus 2.

I think the Logo Sharks are part of it too. They were clearly trying to keep people from leaving the island. They left Sawyer and Mike alone once they drifted back toward the island.

[LostViking]

No lacenaire, I didn't see that before. Is that jack being lifted up by the bird?:)

I agree with you - it could be a bird moving really fast that Kate and Jack see beofore Locke is pulled down. In fact, my first impression was that it was a hawk shaped bird moving fast through the jungle. It looks like a bird with stealth technology. But why is it invisable? I could maybe buy that it looks like a blur when moving, but what about all the other times when it is still?

[Lost_RuNNeR]

Okay. WOW. I'm really rooting for this theory. Probable, complicated, and just really cool.
Can the name Kentario Washio be traced to Lost? It sounds really familiar to me, but that could just be me wanting to believe.

[Mysterious Mike]

I watched season 1, which is the only time the monster has appeared, and from the Exodus episodes it really appears that the Black Smoke is coming from underground and blowing the trees up. At this point I don't have the ability to screen capture, Hopefully after Christmas, to back this up and I have posted in this thread what I think it is but whatever it turns out to be, giant bird, giant snake,nanobots, whatever it definitely appears to be coming from underground.


Finally the monster is coming back in the new episode,hopefully. Three cheers for the monster feasting on Lostaways in the next ep.

I just did a search and relized this has been disscused earlier in the thread somewhat,whoops

[Soulfracture]

Do you think the Giant Bird is made up of the Smoke we see, but it could transform itself into many smaller birds like the one Hurley saw to help keep it hidden in the jungle?

----!!SPOILER MAYBE!!----










In Exodus we see a small shot of black smoke whizzing past the Survivors as they are making their way back to the hatch with the dynamite before the Security System kicks in, maybe this was one of the smaller birds in smoke form going to rejoin the rest of the smoke so it could transform itself into the actual Giant Bird? Just a thought.

[Mysterious Mike]

Soulfracture
In Exodus we see a small shot of black smoke whizzing past the Survivors as they are making their way back to the hatch with the dynamite before the Security System kicks in, maybe this was one of the smaller birds in smoke form going to rejoin the rest of the smoke so it could transform itself into the actual Giant Bird? Just a thought.


While I don't think it is a bird the more I watch when the smoke is in seen by Jack and Kate it does seems like the smoke is some sort of scout for the monster or is in some way part of it. I guess it doesn't seem to me that the thing Locke stared into the eyes of is the same thing as the smoke, why would Locke say it is beautiful if it was just some black smoke or is he in some way intranced by it.

[yung23]

its a net.:p

(just teasing)

[LostInWilderness]

Smokey the monster has indeed been sighted.

[Mysterious Mike]

The smoke seemed to have an electrical current running through it. So much for a giant bird.

[yung23]

yep

[yung23]

I always thought, shannon WAS smokie..


but now, I guess there is a second system that can create dreams and hallucinations etc... obviously part of the parapshycology wing.

the ones in control then sent out smokie to pretend to kill this shannon they had projected, so that boone would take the next steps...

[Mr. @Echo Off]

Hey, I'm new here, so sorry if this is repetetive. There's alot of info to sort through. Personally, I think that the monster is the ghosts/souls of the dead slaves from the black pearl. Everytime we see the monster, there is a metallic rattling noise. Rattling...Chained slaves...Metallic clicking. We heard that when Locke was about to get pulled into the pit, it sounded like chains being pulled/dragged. I think it's possible that the Dharma project only went bad because of the Monster and the curse/ghosts on the island. I don't think that the Monster is some sort of Security device to Protect the hatches and the Dharma project.

It's possible that the reason why Eko wasn't killed or taken was because he's african and they are wondering where he came from. I think in last night's episode, it looked like they were x-raying him or something like that. I am pretty sure that there was an image of a man.

[*Saint*]

Hey, I'm new here, so sorry if this is repetetive. There's alot of info to sort through. Personally, I think that the monster is the ghosts/souls of the dead slaves from the black pearl. Everytime we see the monster, there is a metallic rattling noise. We heard that when Locke was about to get pulled into the pit. I think it's possible that the Dharma project only went bad because of the Monster and the curse/ghosts on the island. I don't think that the Monster is some sort of Security device to Protect the hatches and the Dharma project.

It's possible that the reason why Eko wasn't killed or taken was because he's african and they are wondering where he came from. I think in last night's episode, it looked like they were x-raying him or something like that. I am pretty sure that there was an image of a man.

First off, it's the Black Rock, not the Black Pearl. I don't see Captain Jack Sparrow wandering around the island in a drunken stupor! lol

Second, most have claimed to have seen images from Eko's flashbacks in the smoke rather than images that don't relate to him. I am highly skeptical that the smoke has anything to do with the slaves from the black rock.

You are right about the mechanical sound. In both Exodus and The 23rd Psalm, we heard "tsk tsk tsk tsk tsk" mechanical sounds shortly before the smoke appeared. It was very human like in movement and the way it stared him down...bewildering, if you ask me.

[Mr. @Echo Off]

First off, it's the Black Rock, not the Black Pearl. I don't see Captain Jack Sparrow wandering around the island in a drunken stupor! lol

Second, most have claimed to have seen images from Eko's flashbacks in the smoke rather than images that don't relate to him. I am highly skeptical that the smoke has anything to do with the slaves from the black rock.

You are right about the mechanical sound. In both Exodus and The 23rd Psalm, we heard "tsk tsk tsk tsk tsk" mechanical sounds shortly before the smoke appeared. It was very human like in movement and the way it stared him down...bewildering, if you ask me.

lol...oops....probably cause I just saw the trailer today for the new Pirates of the Carribean.

I doubt they were images of him either, I think it was images of some other people.

My other question is when Kate was trapped in the tree with the monster outside, wasn't she staring at it? What I mean is, if she did, why didn't she say she saw some big smoky thing floating? Or is it that the monster and smoke can appear individually? Also, why sould some tree be a barrier to smoke? It could have easily floated through the spaces.

[Doletrain]

lol...oops....probably cause I just saw the trailer today for the new Pirates of the Carribean.

I doubt they were images of him either, I think it was images of some other people.

My other question is when Kate was trapped in the tree with the monster outside, wasn't she staring at it? What I mean is, if she did, why didn't she say she saw some big smoky thing floating? Or is it that the monster and smoke can appear individually? Also, why sould some tree be a barrier to smoke? It could have easily floated through the spaces.

I know this was discussed in other threads, but the images in the Black Smoke are .... Eko as young kid, the old man he shot, the church and a shot of the crucifix .... there might be more inthere, but those are the ones I saw when I rewatched it on VHS.

[BubbleBoy13]

this thread is crap u kno that right?

man....

dont u guys remember y that hole monster/shannon/boone thing happened?

it was an illusion cuz Locke drugged boone....

so it does knock out the bird theory becuz in the episodes besides that 1 we dont hear the fluttering and sqwauking do we?

[Chance Gardener]

you know that when you piss on someone's thread, that you should at least use regular english and not lame ass crap for brains netspeak, right?

[BubbleBoy13]

you know that when you piss on someone's thread, that you should at least use regular english and not lame ass crap for brains netspeak, right?





ok fine then ill rewrite it so you can understand...

This thread is a piece of feces, you know that right?

Male person....

Don't you people remember why that whole ordeal with Shannon, Boone, and the Monster happened?

It was a dream, or illusion, that Boone had because Locke drugged him with that creamy, peach colored that came from the coconut.

So, that in turn, knocks out the whole entire Big Bird theory because since then we haven't heard the Monster squawk and flap around since then.

there are u happy?

[LostInWilderness]

Netspeak is against the board guidelines BubbleBoy13. Please use regular English when you post. Read the welcome forum and forum guidelines to make sure you're aware of the rules.

Thanks.

[Magical Trevor]

Just a thought, but isn't the title of this thread a bit redundant now?

[yung23]

http://img462.imageshack.us/img462/7671/newtest8eb.gif
the monster has been created !

[HelpImLost]

In Exodus we see a small shot of black smoke whizzing past the Survivors as they are making their way back to the hatch with the dynamite before the Security System kicks in, maybe this was one of the smaller birds in smoke form going to rejoin the rest of the smoke so it could transform itself into the actual Giant Bird? Just a thought.

Javi has said at Fuselage that the monster was not shown, at all, untill the 48 Days episode.

[jraw]

If I ever turn on Lost and see a 40ft bird, I will immediately turn the tv off, walk into the street, and light myself on fire.

[Jinjur]

:rotfl: Need a match??

[athywithak]

Javi has said at Fuselage that the monster was not shown, at all, untill the 48 Days episode.

are you sure he said 48 Days?
someone remind me of monster in 48 Days...

well TPTB also said they WOULD show 5% of the monster in Exodus

so, as usual, they *&%# with us, eh? can't have both...

[BubbleBoy13]

The survivors saw black smoke, but that doesn't prove that there's not a giant bird on the island or that the smoke didn't take the form of a giant bird when it attacked Boone and Shannon.




Sorry for telling you this, but don't you remember how Locke drugged Boone before the whole thing happened? When Locke drugged Boone, and he visualized Shannon being tied up to, and hearing the monster, so he had to get up and save her (hence his way to get out of the ropes because of what Locke said) and when he got out he ran towards her, cut her out, and then they ran from the monster and it picked Shannon up. But, remember the part when Boone saw Shannon by the river, and he held her when she died, and he got blood on his chest, but when he was running back to Locke, he didn't have the blood on his chest anymore, and Shannon was still there with Sayid.

So I really don't think it's a giant bird for a couple reasons:

1) Other than the episode "Hearts and Minds" where the monster attacks Shannon and Boone in his vision, there is no other evidence (flapping, squawking, etc.) that it is a giant bird.

2) In that episode (Hearts and Minds) we don't hear the mechanical clanking or the "tsk tsk tsk tsk" sound before, just the roar and the footsteps.

3) We've only heard the mechanical clanking in 3 episodes (Walkabout, Pilot 1 [I think, not sure] and Exodus 2) but we see smoke the rest of the time, and not the mechanical clanking, footsteps, roar, etc.

There you go. I don't totally debunk the whole "Giant Bird" theory, I just strongly disagree with the evidence people are throwing out about how strong this theory is, when it's not as strong as people stretch it to be.

[Badger]

Well, I think it's pretty safe to assume there is no giant bird. I would chracterize such the same way I would a dinosaur, which as we know has been utterly and completely debunked, both by TPTB and ABC.

We know the "monster" is the smoke. We saw it form a 'rope' and try and drag Locke into a hole. This was confirmed by TPTB as indeed part of the monster.

Shannon being carried away was Boone's hallucination. Whatever it was, was not real.

[Loco Locke]

I don't think it's an animal at all. It's something that was man made by the others and manifested in to whatever the black smoke it. The nano bot theory is one I’ve heard of before. But either way this thing is intelligent for the simple fact that in the ep with Eko and Charlie that monster was looking into Eko's past.

[Badger]

I'm not sure I would qualify it as being "intelligent" because that implies sentience, as in alive and able to act and think independently as well as self-awareness.

I tend to think it's a substance, perhaps naturally occurring on the island that is somehow being controlled. A ferrous mineral dust of some kind being controlled by electromagnetic forces via computer, etc.

However, I am skeptical we will ever find out exactly what it is as it would likely require a sci-fi explanation. Combine that with the fact TPTB said we would probably never get a "full reveal". In addition, if they "can't imagine explaining the numbers" I'd like to see how they would explain this.

[DannyOcean05]

I've yet to see Episode 11 which I believe has info about mining that was being done on the island. I still believe that the monster is an arrangement of some kind of particle rather than some metaphysical entity with its own sentience, so maybe they were mining for some new mineral which could mimic a kind of sentience or a mineral that has amazing conduction. This would allow the images to be projected and also allow the monster to interact with its environment more i.e. smash down trees or grab Locke.

The other possibility is that these underground vents or passages could allow control of the vegetation around the island i.e. tree roots can be manipulated to produce the effect of a monster crashing around.

I'd like to believe this is more a case of the Wizard of Oz. Some gigantic 'sentient' entity appearing to have existence when in fact it's a number of machinery producing the effect.

[Lost Freaks]

ya looks like a bald head

[DannyOcean05]

Just because it moves like an animal doesn't make it an animal. Sorry if this sounds like stating the obvious, but I don't think this is a cloud covering an animal.

It seems to be a cloud of particles mimicking the ecology around it i.e. animals in the jungle/forest.

[Lost_RuNNeR]

I've been studying the Eko meets Smokey scene, and here's my wacky brain's idea...

If you slightly follow the Kentario Washio theory, I'd say it's a hybrid. Giant Bird with shadow creature properties (quantum madness). The dimensions (especially length) and the sound are definitely correct for that theory. The 'scanning' sound doesn't sound like a buzz to me, more like an animal noise. It changes tone and volume constantly, like it were random instead of automated. It also seems sentient to me...
Try to imagine a bird lowering it's head to observe a prey, or a snake (other hatch?) slithering near... The form, height and length match up.

Well, I think it's pretty safe to assume there is no giant bird. I would chracterize such the same way I would a dinosaur, which as we know has been utterly and completely debunked, both by TPTB and ABC.

I've read a comment by Lindelof that we saw the shadow of the real monster in 'Hearts And Minds'. A while ago, it was posted at SpoilerFix.com. I'll try to find it.
And the shadow in 'Hearts and Minds' looks suspiciously much like a giant bird to me...

Lol of course, they could be yanking our chain over at ABC... again.

[island_maverick]

If the big smokey was just "particles of something", why did it turn on itself to go away?
It had a "head" and a "rear end" IMO.

Because IMO: a cloud of particles, playing follow my leader. Inertia of reaction.

The head particles move first (back through itself if necessary), the rest follow like a ripple effect, playing follow my leader. So many particles, it just takes time for them all to react.

[Lost_RuNNeR]

Could also mean they were on a strict CGI budget, but I agree. Besides, a 'machine-ish monster' wouldn't be very cool :D

I sincerely hope they give us more than smoke by episode 24...

[island_maverick]

I sincerely hope they give us more than smoke by episode 24...

...in season 2, or 3..?

Knowing TPTB, season 3....:irked:

[Lost_RuNNeR]

Indeed. But I'm sure they'll confuse us plenty in the meantime...
What do you think Sawyer will be calling Jack by S5? :D

[island_maverick]

Indeed. But I'm sure they'll confuse us plenty in the meantime...
What do you think Sawyer will be calling Jack by S5? :D

"Brother".

Long lost. Different father. Dharma....:D

[Lost_RuNNeR]

Lol... Alvar Hanso: 'Jack, I am your father!'
Jack: 'No you're not, I've seen him walking around here, you idiot!'

[jmb3rg3r]

However, I am skeptical we will ever find out exactly what it is as it would likely require a sci-fi explanation. Combine that with the fact TPTB said we would probably never get a "full reveal". I don't care if they neglect to explain the details of its mechanics, as long as they explain the nature of the beast, i.e. what is it, who is it, why is it. I'd prefer to have "how" too, of course, but "why" is more important.

In addition, if they "can't imagine explaining the numbers" I'd like to see how they would explain this.This is the kind of thing, of course, that makes me nervous that they won't explain the nature of the beast. Sigh...

[Lost_RuNNeR]

It's probably only a matter of time until they publicly admit they're making it up as they go along...
I've been disgusted with the polar bears from day One, so...:rolleyez:

[James]

I heard different people on the island see "the monster'" in different ways

[Lost_RuNNeR]

Different people 'off' the Island see the monster in different ways too :rolleyez:

They call it 'perception'
I call it 'forum'...

[Volkmar]

I call it a security system

[Lost_RuNNeR]

Lol! I just love your 'origin of smokey' pic! So that's why the trees vanish...
Lol Eko: "I'm marking trees. Because these are the ones I like."

He knows :-P

[BubbleBoy13]

I've been studying the Eko meets Smokey scene, and here's my wacky brain's idea...

If you slightly follow the Kentario Washio theory, I'd say it's a hybrid. Giant Bird with shadow creature properties (quantum madness). The dimensions (especially length) and the sound are definitely correct for that theory. The 'scanning' sound doesn't sound like a buzz to me, more like an animal noise. It changes tone and volume constantly, like it were random instead of automated. It also seems sentient to me...
Try to imagine a bird lowering it's head to observe a prey, or a snake (other hatch?) slithering near... The form, height and length match up.



I've read a comment by Lindelof that we saw the shadow of the real monster in 'Hearts And Minds'. A while ago, it was posted at SpoilerFix.com. I'll try to find it.
And the shadow in 'Hearts and Minds' looks suspiciously much like a giant bird to me...

Lol of course, they could be yanking our chain over at ABC... again.



Sorry to burst your bubble Lost Runner, but don't you remember that when the monster appeared in Hearts and Minds, it was in Boone's vision caused by the drug Locke put on him? And think back to all other monster sightings, have we even heard the same sounds like a bird other than that?

I'm sorry, but the evidence just doesn't show. That was the only time I've heard the flapping of wings and saw the "bird" shadow of the monster, all the other times I haven't even thought about it.

[BubbleBoy13]

Yeah, I think it's pretty safe to say right now that Eko knows way more than any other Lostie about Smokey. And I seriousley think Eko is going to beat Smokey with the Jesus Stick. That would be hilarious!!

[athywithak]

Sorry to burst your bubble Lost Runner, but don't you remember that when the monster appeared in Hearts and Minds, it was in Boone's vision caused by the drug Locke put on him?



reading about the writer's quotes about the monster in the Boone vision just as I read about the idea (which has been discussed often) that maybe people see different things when they see the monster led me to this:

what if Boone DID see the monster? He didn't have blood on him. He didn't see Shannon's body and cradle it. He did untie himself and make his way back to camp. What if the Shannon he was seeing WAS the monster?

"Is that what IT made you see" (emphasis mine) Locke said. What if it wasn't a vision Boone got from the Island, or the paste, but a live action show?

ETA: this could explain Jack's Dad, and the horse and...TPTB have said (many many things so I kind of don't listen to them anymore) that there would be a science-based explanation, or that things that happen on the show would be possible, or something like that, but then again (think HANSO blessed with curiosity quote here, think Desmond "what if she was fixed" and Locke "what if it is your dad") isn't the show - or the dharma experiements - maybe about what is possible if you stop thinking it isn't possible?

oh boy oh boy I gota get out of the house more...

K

[SteveB]

I can't say I've read all this thread, or seen the Boone episode being discussed, but wouldn't a giant bird have been noticed? A bird would fly above the trees and then when it is giant, it will kind of stand out to anyone looking over the island.

[Juan Carlos Valeron]

Try that again athywak, and try to breath slowly. You had me hooked there for a minute, but then I couldn't make sense of it anymore.
And why would Eko use his precious Jesus Stick to beat something or someone when he could just use his fist. He likes to think he's the strongest and meanest of them all anyway.

[BubbleBoy13]

Try that again athywak, and try to breath slowly. You had me hooked there for a minute, but then I couldn't make sense of it anymore.
And why would Eko use his precious Jesus Stick to beat something or someone when he could just use his fist. He likes to think he's the strongest and meanest of them all anyway.

Yeah, he could, but just the vision of him pounding the crap out of a giant smoke blob is just cracking me up!:Cowdance: :Cowdance: :Cowdance:

[Lost_RuNNeR]

Lol i'm getting a weird 'Flintstonish' vision...

but anyway, how do we account for the pilot being torn up the way he was, and landing on that tree? The Monster must be able to take flight in some way or another... Lol and the giant bird i'm suggesting is a bio-phased Eagle/Falcon with Shadow Creature properties... Check p29 (bottom) of the thread if you wanna make sense out of that;)

[9mile monster]

did anyone else think they saw the monster, Smokey, coming out of Hurley's new house's windows? There was something so thick about the smoke it looked like the monster. It would be interesting to go through that smoke scene frame by frame to see if there were any images in that. Did anyone do that,

[Lost_RuNNeR]

There's another thread about that. And I honestly believe it was ordinary smoke... Of course, sometimes it's hard to tell the difference on Lost:D

[9mile monster]

What section should I look for that thread. I searched this thread and didn't find any info on it. I'd appreciate if you could direct me.

[Lost_RuNNeR]

Kentario Washio Scenario (http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7870&page=19&highlight=giant+bird)

Here ya go. It's at the bottom of the page.:)
This could be some nicely wrapped bullsh*t, but I like the essence of it.

[Juan Carlos Valeron]

I bet the TPTB are having a jolly good laugh at all of us not thinking if the monster is a bird, but what kind of bird the monster it is.
You'll soon enough see it's in fact giant and mutated hippopotamus. Possibly with wings.

[Lost_RuNNeR]

Lol coz that would REALLY build up the tension...

[BubbleBoy13]

I seriousley do not like the big bird theory at all. And I've done my research, and there have been two scenarios with bird like situations, and those were Hearts and Minds with the claw-looking marks, screeching, and flapping of wings, and then there was Exodus 2, with the faint flapping and fluttering of wings like in Hearts and Minds, the big bird flying from the tree, and the screeching. Thats two scenarios to like 5 or 6 spread through diffrent episodes.

I would stop watching Lost if the monster was a giant bird.

[Lost_RuNNeR]

And if it turned out to be nanobots?

[BubbleBoy13]

And if it turned out to be nanobots?

That's a diffrent story and I would actually enjoy Nanobots if it tied in with the whole 'DHARMA' and the "Sickness" and all of it.

But what would really catch my attention is a shapeshifter, because to me that's interesting and I get really good visions of a shapeshifter.

[Juan Carlos Valeron]

That'd be interesting. People'll think there all different kinds of monsters on the island. Or do you want the Losties to witsness the monster taking on different shapes, to confuse the heck out of them and all?
But I can also think of things why that is easier said on a message board then done on a TV show.

[Lost_RuNNeR]

Besides, if it was a shapeshifter, we'd have noticed by now. I don't know anyone made of black smoke, so...
All I heard on the latest podcast was that it discriminates, it reads people and decides how to behave towards them... Eko's not in trouble. Locke wasn't in 'Walkabout', but he had changed towards the end of S1, so that's why the monster came after him... For now, I think i'm gonna hold on to my 'sentient creature' theory...

[Dupin]

I'm sure everyone's already mentioned and disproven this many a time, but could the monster be magnetic dust?

[PhantomPhase]

The smoke could be the collective sins and regrets of anyone ever stranded on the island. Hence, it being black smoke. It judges you, if it finds you to be beyond redemption, you are killed, if it finds any degree of salvation, you are permitted to live. Sounds as good a theory as any other.

[YOYO]

there is definately more than one monster,

remeber on part 3 of exodus where we see lockes expression before and after the sees the monster?


at first he seems to want to find it, then he sees it, hears the mechanical noise and looks all surprised as if its something totally different.

so it seems there is smoke AND a mechanical monster, but they are probably connected in some way.

my guess is there are more people down the hole.

[BubbleBoy13]

YOYO, alot of people think that there is more than one monsters, a mechanical one, a smoke one, and (which I think is completely absurd) a giant falcon-like bird. Yeah, Locke saw the smoke and heard the noise in Exodus 2, but remember when he went and saw it? It was mechanical like, but after it knocked him down with the tree right beside him. So, maybe it was smoke, blew out the tree, knocked Locke down, analyzed him, saw that he had changed, and was angry at him and it turned into the threating form of the monster. That's why I like the shapeshifter idea, because it seems to match the diffrent sounds the monster is making. Oh yeah, and Lost Runner and Juan Carlos, just because a shapeshifter transforms shape doesn't mean it takes the same color or material. The smoke could take the form of the mechanical being with a whole diffrent body, shape, color, and then it could take the form of people or animals, but would it still be black smoke?

That would be more interesting if the islanders don't know what the monster is, and they see more and more diffrent shapes and forms, it all builds up, then it gets released and the Losties are really suprised and crap. That just gets me excited.

BB

[Lost_RuNNeR]

Bubbleboy, my hat's off to you! I like your theory.

[BubbleBoy13]

Why thank you Lost Runner. I just hate the big bird theory because we would have noticed a giant, flying, metallic bird-thing flying around the island.

I have alot of diffrent thoughts about everything on LOST.

[AntiChristSuperstar]

ummm.. the trees being at different angles...

wouldn't parallax be an adequate explanation?

[imaguestage]

Okay, I haven't seen this posted in this thread and I thought I would just throw this out there. In the "Pilot Part 1" when Jack and company find teh pilot drapped across the jungle canopy, there is something quite noticable. He is soaked in blood, from head to toe, but if you look hard there are absolutely NO cuts, lacerations, gouges, missing limbs, etc. There are no open wounds anywhere on the pilot's body. I don't know if this observation aids anyone in any of their Monster theories, but I thought I'd throw it out there for consideration.

[BubbleBoy13]

ummm.. the trees being at different angles...

wouldn't parallax be an adequate explanation?


Say what now?

Oh yeah, imaguestage, good find there! I haven't really noticed that, and it seems that whenever I'm trying to get a good look at the corpse of the pilot in the tree something distracts me away from it, so I've never actually noticed that. Nice one!!

BubbleBoy13

[imaguestage]

^^^ I didn't notice it myself until I was watching the DVD on my computer. I paused it right as they showed the pilot because the phone rang and when I came back, it just hit me that he wasn't all torn up, which I had always thought had happened since I first saw the epsiode. Then I actually spent time studying him and zooming in and, lo and behold, no cuts.

For some reason it reminds me of Magneto (from the X-Men) pulling all the iron out of someone's blood stream. Not the lame version in X2, but the comic book versions.

[BubbleBoy13]

^^^ I didn't notice it myself until I was watching the DVD on my computer. I paused it right as they showed the pilot because the phone rang and when I came back, it just hit me that he wasn't all torn up, which I had always thought had happened since I first saw the epsiode. Then I actually spent time studying him and zooming in and, lo and behold, no cuts.

For some reason it reminds me of Magneto (from the X-Men) pulling all the iron out of someone's blood stream. Not the lame version in X2, but the comic book versions.


Lol, I agree with you, and I've now come to the conclusion that Magneto is the monster!! Lol, no I'm just playing around that would be corny.

OK for all of you in hear that are wondering all about the monster and the images in it when it appeared to Eko and Charlie, I got something that will totally freak you out.

http://www.lostlinks.net/monster.htm

When you go to this website, scroll down past the clip of the little Smokey darting through the woods in Exodus 2, it will have four options. They are:
(In blue colored lettering)
1)Watch Video Clip (Of the scene with Charlie, Smokey, and Eko)
2)Read Audio Transcripts
3)Download Seperate Audio Clips
4)View Still Images In Smoke

Click the third link that says "Download Seperate Audio Clips" (Some computers may not be fast enough to do this) and maybe 30 seconds to a minute (depends on how fast it downloads and internet connection type [either DSL, Cable, Dial-Up, etc.]) a file will pop up, and inside that file are two seperate folders. Click on one of them and they will have some music files in them (the first seperate folder has 6 in it, the second only 2). Click on one of the music files and (if you have Windows Media Player or iTunes or something) listen to it. Do the same thing with all the others. You'll get a shock to it. If you either 1) Can't understand the sounds playing or, 2) Can't listen to the sounds because of your computer, go back to the page that the link offers and click option #2, which is "Read Audio Transcripts,". You will be freaked out, chilled to the bone, creeped out, and even amazed at what you are going to hear.

I got this link from a fellow board member, RVTurnage, so if you come across one of his posts, be sure to thank him for showing us this.

BubbleBoy13

Trust me, the link is cool and freaky, and the files you might download to listen to the sounds do not, I repeat, DO NOT have any kind of virus's in them.

[BubbleBoy13]

^^^ I didn't notice it myself until I was watching the DVD on my computer. I paused it right as they showed the pilot because the phone rang and when I came back, it just hit me that he wasn't all torn up, which I had always thought had happened since I first saw the epsiode. Then I actually spent time studying him and zooming in and, lo and behold, no cuts.

For some reason it reminds me of Magneto (from the X-Men) pulling all the iron out of someone's blood stream. Not the lame version in X2, but the comic book versions.


Lol, I agree with you, and I've now come to the conclusion that Magneto is the monster!! Lol, no I'm just playing around that would be corny.

OK for all of you in hear that are wondering all about the monster and the images in it when it appeared to Eko and Charlie, I got something that will totally freak you out.

http://www.lostlinks.net/monster.htm

When you go to this website, scroll down past the clip of the little Smokey darting through the woods in Exodus 2, it will have four options. They are:
(In blue colored lettering)
1)Watch Video Clip (Of the scene with Charlie, Smokey, and Eko)
2)Read Audio Transcripts
3)Download Seperate Audio Clips
4)View Still Images In Smoke

Click the third link that says "Download Seperate Audio Clips" (Some computers may not be fast enough to do this) and maybe 30 seconds to a minute (depends on how fast it downloads and internet connection type [either DSL, Cable, Dial-Up, etc.]) a file will pop up, and inside that file are two seperate folders. Click on one of them and they will have some music files in them (the first seperate folder has 6 in it, the second only 2). Click on one of the music files and (if you have Windows Media Player or iTunes or something) listen to it. Do the same thing with all the others. You'll get a shock to it. If you either 1) Can't understand the sounds playing or, 2) Can't listen to the sounds because of your computer, go back to the page that the link offers and click option #2, which is "Read Audio Transcripts,". You will be freaked out, chilled to the bone, creeped out, and even amazed at what you are going to hear.

I got this link from a fellow board member, RVTurnage, so if you come across one of his posts, be sure to thank him for showing us this.

BubbleBoy13

Trust me, the link is cool and freaky, and the files you might download to listen to the sounds do not, I repeat, DO NOT have any kind of virus's in them.

[imaguestage]

I definately heard the "Who are you?" and "Nothing yet." I wonder if they are doing a type of White Noise thing with the audio.

[BubbleBoy13]

I definately heard the "Who are you?" and "Nothing yet." I wonder if they are doing a type of White Noise thing with the audio.


I showed my parents and my brother and they heard it to but i could fully understand it....did you read the thing about it before listening to it? Because sometimes if you read what it says before you hear it you do hear it, but only because you knew what it was going to say. I listened to it first, and I could clearly hear everything. Did you read the translation first, then listen to it? Or did you listen to it, then read the translation?

BubbleBoy13

[rvturnage]

For some reason it reminds me of Magneto (from the X-Men) pulling all the iron out of someone's blood stream. Not the lame version in X2, but the comic book versions.

I've actually posted this EXACT reference somewhere...here or at thefuselage.com...as an example of how tiny metal-encased cantoms or smartdust could kill the pilot. As for destroying trees, if you squeeze enough small things together tightly enough, it becomes quite dense and quite hard.

rvt

[Arillia]

Did anyone else realize that the flashes of light in the cloud were all still images of Echo's life... some that we hadn't seen yet? If not, go through it frame by frame. Also, it shows Jesus on the cross which kinda blows up the "religion not important for lost" talk I have been hearing.

[Silent Sanity]

Hmm..if that is the case (I have yet to verify it for myself), then isn't it possible that the cloud is reflecting the thoughts, or mind, of Ecko, possibly as a way to identify him? That would account for the Jesus image, as that is obviously a part of his thoughts.

[Emerson]

Yeah, those pictures are definitely in there. Both of your theories are good though. I tend to think it's more of a mind scan thing though.

EDIT:

http://humpys.net/view_pic.php?id=99&season=2

Here's a compilation of the pics inside the smoke.

[Dorkfish]

I don't want to sound mean but this has been discussed and beaten to death! Next time use the search button or use AztecLady's sig! (just trying to help out)

BTW: you can find even better pics in the other threads, but I really dont know where they are at this moment.

[ILikeLostBrunettes]

Every image in the cloud was shown in some way or another during the episode... nothing we haven't seen. Jesus on the cross? Yes Eko was in a church in the flashback...

[Arillia]

I think that long picture of the chick will end up being a love intrest in his next flashback... It was up the longest and the only one really noticable in full speed.

[drabauer]

Bumping for moster merge

[Emerson]

From original pros and cons: 10. Giant bird seen on Exodus 2.

Could someone explain/give picture?

[Lost_RuNNeR]

It's in this thread somewhere... Although I doubt it was really a Giant Bird. Something looked off about it, though...

[Emerson]

Yeah I just read the whole thread. There is nothing giant about that bird. Looks like 3-4 foot wingspan.

[Lost_RuNNeR]

I just rechecked Exodus 3... It just doesn't add up to me why they would show the bird flying in the quick recap. So one could argue that the bird is farther away than we think. He could've just bumped into the branch, which explains why it was swinging around like that. Also, when Locke gets dragged across the jungle, the black smoke around his leg begins to compose. I did a 1/16 speed analysis. By the time it reaches the hole it seems to have manifested in a black smoke clutching paw-ish form. 3, if i'm seeing this right... Whatever it is, it adapts...

[Emerson]

The image that was posted in this thread shows the bird is clearly beneath the canopy of trees, so the size of the bird can't be huge.

[lacenaire]

First post updated with a "wall of the weird"

[lacenaire]

The Stobor strikes back?

http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/2281/stbor012vb.jpg

[Warthawg1]

bump

[lost_in_translation]

I'm confused what this theory is about but I liked that you gathered as many pictures as you did.

[lacenaire]

The history of this thread about the monster is this:

The knocked down trees:
- The Elephant or the pissed off giraffe


The Mechanical sounds and chain clanking:
- The Giant Mechanical sloth
- A giant robot

The uprooted trees + squawks + fluttering of wings + claw marks on Shannon + bite marks on Shannon (don't! ;)): these suggested these interpretations:

- The Giant Bird
- The Giant Snake


The Smoke element suggested:

- Nanobots
- Kentaro Washio's theory about a transgenetic bird that can teleport between universes/dimensions.
- The shapeshifter: ChanceGardener's the Stobor (a theory he formulated much before the black smoke ever appeared).

[blonde-eyes]

i just thought i'd throw it out that, since the writers are great fans of Stephen King, that in King's long-running series The Dark Tower that there are...

By the way, i highly recommend the series, so those who think they'd like to read it should stop reading this post now...








... anyway, there are several large, mechanical "Guardians" in the DT world; these mechanical (actually cyborg, but lots not get confusing) are all built by an extinct race and resemble a variety of animals. For example, the only mechanical Guardian we see in the series is The Bear.

anyway, along with the mechanical Guardians are the enigmic, mythical "Spiritual" Guardians. the books remain vauge on the details, but when you think about Mechanical (Science) and Spiritual (Faith), it fits into the show.

its been a while since i read the books, so i invite someone else with more insight to take the reigns now.

[lacenaire]

http://bestiary.ca/beasts/beast4723.htm


Bittern
Latin name: Onocratulus
Other names: Bittore, Bucio, Buter, Mirdromel, Raredumle
A bird that makes a booming noise



http://bestiary.ca/beasts/beast273.htm

Jaculus
Latin name: Jaculus
Other names: Iaculus, Javelin-snake
A flying serpent



http://bestiary.ca/beasts/beast544.htm

Kite
Latin name: Milvus
Other names: Escouffle, Milan, Milvo
A rapacious bird that feeds on carrion



Allegory/Moral

The kite represents those who delight in carnal pleasures, especially those of the stomach. As the kite cannot catch wild birds and only hunts the weaker domestic ones, so the devil preys only on the weak in spirit.

[lostboy]

dragon. I think the monster is a dragon and it is guarding whatever the all powerful pearl located on the island.

Do a google search on the pearl-dragon and it's mythology.

[ScaR]

Well, the lost map said Cerebrus a lot, and i have a explanation, i have searched hard, and come up with a conclusion, there are many things in on the lost island, Cerebrus is just one of those, the black smoke another and a kind of machine as when locke was dragged down a hole it made a strange noise like a chain.But this is a picture of Cerebrus it explains flutter of wings.

Any questions please p/m me!

[ScaR]

so what you think?

[lacenaire]

Thrice headed Chimera.
http://www.sandrocastelli.com/works/chimera.jpg

[jaystao]

Hey dont forget my secondary attempt at a 'monster' design some ways ago.

If you have any security problems just lug this baby under your door mat and all would be trespassers and burglers are sure to get a most unexpected surprise. Parts are easy to assemble though may require some outside accesories. A geothermal power source is suggested as the nexus for the power supply, but once the 'system' is hooked up its unique space elevator operation will endeavor to produce the most efficient use of energy to matter conversion. Once the box is opened however the user is responsible for all maintenance and use of system - any instability of said system once assembled is entirely in the sole care of the purchaser and we take no account of any liability for system failure and or including homicidal tendancies or complete failure to opperate at all, in some cases box may not actually contain promised unit

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y191/jaystao/monster2ba.jpg

[lacenaire]

HI Jays

I like the mythological codenames to the different parts of the system.
May I suggest alternative codenames please?

Instead of Cyclops, Argos "the all seeing".




http://homepage.mac.com/cparada/GML/000Images/aim/argus1-2615.jpg





The Calydonian Boar. Artemis' curse (Sister of Apollo)



When Oeneus 2 was king of Calydon (http://homepage.mac.com/cparada/GML/Calydon.html) in Aetolia, he received a vine-plant from Dionysus 2 (http://homepage.mac.com/cparada/GML/Dionysus2.html), but while sacrificing the first fruits of the annual crops of the country to all the gods, Oeneus 2 forgot Artemis (http://homepage.mac.com/cparada/GML/Artemis.html). Then the goddess, angry at his negligence, sent a boar (now known as the Calydonian Boar) of a huge size and strength, which prevented the land from being sown and destroyed the cattle and the people. In order to get rid of this ravaging beast, King Oeneus 2 assembled the noblest men of Hellas, who are now known as the CALYDONIAN HUNTERS, and promised to give the boar's skin as a prize to him who should kill it.


http://homepage.mac.com/cparada/GML/000Images/cim/calydonhunters0534.jpg


Instead of the "tiger's roar" how about "the minotaur's roar"?


It's a territorial impressive creature and maybe related to the Island of Dr. Moreau's feel
that Dharma's Island has.


Minos 2 (http://homepage.mac.com/cparada/GML/Minos2.html) shut his monstruous stepson up—the bull-headed man—, and guarded him in the Labyrinth, which had been also built by Daedalus (http://homepage.mac.com/cparada/GML/Daedalus.html). He who entered the Labyrinth could not find his way out because many a winding turn shut off the secret outward way. The Labyrinth was a chamber whose passageways were so winding that those unfamiliar with them had difficulty in making their way out. In this Labyrinth, the Minotaur was maintained, and here it devoured the youths who were sent to it from Athens (http://homepage.mac.com/cparada/GML/Athens.html).


http://img65.imageshack.us/img65/3377/labrynth5uq.th.jpghttp://img71.imageshack.us/img71/3803/minotaur22sv.th.jpghttp://img197.imageshack.us/img197/881/labyrinthdesign67mr.th.jpg

[ptichka]

Well, I was thinking about the minotaur idea, too, because to keep him alive they had to send youths down to keep him alive and the other seem to want mostly children. But I now think this is a shakey expanation, although what Locke sees when he is pinned down under the metal door and Henry may or may not have inputted the number does look awfully like a labyrinth.

However, I did read somewhere on this huge list that we have not seen much of the monster this season and I have two thoughts about that. First, I looked up the word monster in an etymological dictionary (yes, I do have a day job) and the word comes from the Latin "monere" which means "to warn" amd eventually morphed into monstrum with the meaning of something that could function as an omen of evil and misfortune. So the losties saw it early on. It was warning them. And when it had performed this duty it "disappeared. Second, I wonder if having to input the numbers every 108 minutes in some way feeds the monster. If it is not fed, things start to go very, VERY wrong. I realize the first part of my post argues for a living being and the second part for something electronic, but there you have it. My musings for the day.