What is going to happen between sun and jin?

[Bad Mamba]

Oh that was such a sad eps! Their story is just so sad and depressing!

At the end when Jin left, what is going to happen between those two. They fight so much!

[LostHorizon]

Yes, I agree. But It was a great episode though!
As what I think will probably happen between Jin and Sun:
1)I think that Sun will probably eventually gravitate to Michael
( probably with Jin's blessing )
2) And Jin will..... Errrrr... Spend more time with Hurley..... ;)

I think that Jin and Sun still love each other, always will care for each other and become friends, but I think they will no longer be romantically involved...... :\

[Hodgepodge]

I hope they reconcile their differences and get back together.

[RogsAngel1198]

I posted this answer in another thread, but

Sun dishonored Jin by learning english without his knowledge. She was also planning to leave him.
What Jin does is based on honor. That is why he cried after beating the man (and he made sure not to cry in front of Sun, it would take away his 'manhood' ). There was no honor in the beating.

Jin must now help build the raft and help the survivors in any way he can, so he can regain the honor he has lost.
I doubt he'll go back to Sun because of all this. There is no honor in their marriage now that all of this has taken place.

[azteclady]

I certainly hope there's more than honor or tradition between Jin and Sun, and much more than either to their characters. In my opinion, any character that is only defined by either would be two dimensional and thus not very interesting.



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[RogsAngel1198]

I agree, and I do believe there is love between them. However, for most Asian men Honor over rides all other things, even love.

If they do get back together, it will take much time and patience (I think).

[azteclady]

Please don't take this personally, RogsAngel

To me, "for most Asian men Honor over rides all other things, even love" is a generality akin to "all Mexicans are greasy, lying, lazy bastards" or "the only good injun is a dead injun."



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[RogsAngel1198]

I believe there is a difference between them.... and no, I'm not taking it personal, but....
what I posted was not meant as an insult.... what you said is.
I'm not basing the statement on sterotypes. I'm basing it on knowing people who are from the background and also knowing people who have visited Asia.

Honor is a big deal.

[Hodgepodge]

RogsAngel1198 says:
...Sun dishonored Jin by learning english without his knowledge. She was also planning to leave him...
You know, I hadn't given this much thought, but I think you've got a point. Jin does live in another time and place. He thinks Sun dresses to worldly. He thinks she should never disobey him. And, God forbid she'd embarrass him. Well, she's done all of the above. Now that I take all of these things into consideration, there's no doubt, in Jin's eyes, Sun has dishonored him.

[Jessicaswanlake]

Obviously, Sun and Jin have some issues, and some of them may be loosely tied to the concept of "honor", but I think the real problem is that Jin has realized that he has lost his identity by marrying Sun, and Sun does not seem to take this into account. He comes from a very different sort of life, with a more traditional value system. He disowned his father's existence, and had to become a more hardened person to deal with the life that is now required of him (violence, deceit, scary dad-in-law).
So I would be pissed off too if I found out the person I sacrificed (willingly, albeit) my values for pulled off something like Sun did. I don't think he would have been angry to learn she spoke English if she had just told him- he probably could have accepted it simply as something a woman with education and means would do. She had been lying to him- in a really huge way if you look at their situation. He is the outsider, simply because he cannot communicate, and she could have stopped that. Mostly, I think he is angry with himself for letting himself get so lost. Hopefully, the writers will let them work everything out- their story is the saddest of all the castaways, I think, because it mirrors reality more than anyone else's. Plus- I think setting up Sun and Michael would be kind of cheap.

[RogsAngel1198]

Did she know all he sacrificed? Like denying his father and such?

[LostHorizon]

Jessicaswanlake wrote:

Plus- I think setting up Sun and Michael would be kind of cheap.

And just why would that be?

[KatesBoyfriend]

If Jin and Sun do not eventually get back together, I will cease watching the show. I felt so incredibly bad for Jin when Sun finally spoke English in front of him. It must have been like having a knife stuck in his back. I just want a happy ending.

[LostHorizon]

KatesBoyfriend wrote:
If Jin and Sun do not eventually get back together, I will cease watching the show.

You've got to be kidding?
Me, I'll cease watching the show once the monster is revealed to be Jeff Probst, after he walks out of the jungle to tell the Survivors to get ready for an Immunity Challenge between the Beach tribe and the Cave tribe....


KatesBoyfriend also wrote:

I just want a happy ending.

I want world peace and universal brotherhood also , but that ain't gonna happen either..... Welcome to Pseudo - Reality TV! :p

[azteclady]

Welcome, Jessicaswanlake!!!

Please allow me to tell you that I really like your first post - make everything that comes after count as much and you'll be more than perfectly alright here!

I agree with everything you said - Jin sacrificed his dreams, denied his family, and practially sold his soul to Sun's father ("She's my dream"). Sadly, in making this a silent sacrifice, he distanced himself from her to the point where she was unhappy enough to consider leaving him forever.

Here's hoping Jin regains his dignity in his own eyes, so that he can forgive Sun and love her again! (and the same goes for her, pretty much)


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[Erasure]

Yeah, I hope they get back together. They have one of the more interesting storylines in my opinion. Have to wait a while to see though as i come from New Zealand. This has probably already been said (Im in a rush so i just skimmed through) but I rekon that Sun is unaware of the sacrifices Jin has made. Does she know about her fathers "activities"?

[Beckers1]

Personally, I think they are a couple that are deeply in loved but do not seem to communicate very well with one another.

Jin should have been up front with Sun about what it was her father wanted from him. And instead of being quiet and afraid of Jin and what she suspected he had become (a murderous thug) she should have voiced her fears calmly, after he had wash the blood from his hands and clothes.

Instead, both went behind each other's back and did things they would later regret. Jin never told Sun that his father was a lowly fisherman (and don't think she would have cared if he had) and Sun, when the going got tough, learned English and had plans to leave him.

But in the end, as we discovered, she could not do it. And, as we saw, Jin had plans to run away as well from her father, again without informing Sun, but got caught in the airport restroom by one of Daddy's lackys.

Would Jin have run away with Sun anyway? Once in the States I would like to think he would have tried and she would have been a willing participant. But who knows -- the opportunity, as yet, has not come.

It's a mess.

I do hope they work it out, however. Sun and Jin are a wonderful couple, like none I've ever seen on American Prime Time TV, and I find them fascinating! :)

[skywiseone]

Honor is important in Asian culture as it is in every other culture. But since Jin and Sun were raised in Korea alot of their behavior is dictated by confuciusan values. Honor is a huge part of the value system. But now they are on this island and they get to transcend all of the rules and try to make things right.

I hope they can work it out, but since Jin has to prove to himself that even though he was from a poor family he is worthy of someone like Sun. He never really thought himself worthy so that is what the island is bringing out of him.

Now, if Sun were to go with Michael, that wouldn't make much sense. If anything Michael and Jin have issues in common. They both were in relationships with women that had more money than they did, were not regarded as being worthy(even if Jin didn't regard himself as that, michael's gf didn't think he was because he didnt make as much money as she did) and they were not able to communicate their devotion to their women without having to prove it monetarily.

Maybe its just me, but I think those men are going to become better friends and maybe Micheal will be able to help Sun and Jin get back together.